How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible
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- Joseph Smith made his own translation of the Bible and added quite a lot of new and interesting content to the original, including prophecy about Joseph Smith!
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As a former six generation, very faithful mormon- this is absolutely true of what they believe. I am so so thankful and grateful for being saved out of that hot mess! I pray for them regularly to come out!! Lord, please give them eyes to see and ears to hear!❤
Thanks for leaving on your own...we would have thrown you out anyway. Foolish traditions of your fathers, you know...
Thanks for leaving the cult Borrowed LDS only needs idiots and dumb people who fall for cults
I left the Mormon church 5 years ago. I was a convert, in the church for many years and honestly I was misled, until...well the temple experience that threw me completely to the degree I had to step back and go, What in the world is this? Then I started seeing what God wanted me to see, and no longer saw what Satan wanted me to see. It scares me completely that I was so badly misled for as long, and, I am now in a very intense study of the Bible through the ESV Bible, using the John MacArthur study series and Warren Wiersbe Expositions and a study of the Psalms. I am so blessed, and I am so very fortunate the Holy Spirit of God, by way of my Savior Jesus Christ, salvaged me and saved me to see the truth. I study every single day and pray often. I am a living, breathing miracle of redemption, for God calls those who he chooses-that appears, in accordance to scripture, not to be something everyone experiences. I am very grateful and will run as fast as I can from anything that even remotely looks like false doctrine. Lord, please open the eyes of their hearts to enlighten them who hear to seek the truth. Amen.
@borrowed tomb If you think that the Mormons are misled, or in some kind of deception, then it's best not to use deception (lies) yourself.
They are another arm of the Judaizing-machine
Joseph Smith is the western Mohammad i am convinced they both spoke to the same Angels the fallen ones
Hahahahaha
I have thought that
Exactly. The parralells are very uncanny.
@@vealatiume455 hahaha
@@mimi-xw5se.....I can't be the only one that thinks this right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣.....
As a former 35yr devout Mormon I can clarify everything Mike says is 100% true.
I was blind but now I see. Praise God!
Mormons please listen.
"Mormons please listen." Same old anti-Mormonism I've heard my entire life. How I wish for some fresh attacks! Something that skirts right up to the edge of forbidding to call someone a fool. Maybe someone that stands in the high building in the attitude of mocking the saints. Oh, good heavens, that's right here on this page!
Thomas Maughan nN
Stop the pretense...you never had a testimony. Your weakness and confusion drips from your comment. Stop reciting your Mormon bona fides to get more credibility when you bash them. Praise god...but do it from outside the church. Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
"devout"...bwahahaha
@@johnlee1352 overflowing with that Mormon love right there.
Thank you pastor Mike. You were one of the first voices that god led me to to realize what was wrong with the LDS church. I’m leaving it. I’m finally reading the Bible now and trying to seek truth.
Amen! Praying for your journey.
Wishing you all the best.👍👍👍👍👍
Good for you! I know that the LDS church is really into being the one true church, so it may be helpful for you to question if a thing even exists. I love the denomination of the church I go to, mostly because of how we practice, and also because the doctrine is very flexible - basically just the apostles creed. So there's room for disagreement about the end times, baptism, and other doctrine. But I think it would be dangerous if I were to think I found the one true church, which is created by man. Good luck on your journey! Visit lots of different types of churches and talk to lots of people!
Lifting you up in Prayer.
Amen, praise God, welcome home!
Excellent video. If you can discredit the bible you can teach anything. I was Mormon for 37 yrs. Reading the bible has changed my life. Both gospel of John and Hebrews helped me to understand the correct character of God.
A pathetic poser for 37 years? Wow. Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
@@johnlee1352 omg LDS is luciferian do not put on green apron repent. Lucifer's green apron of this Earth. Your prayers answered by Satan
@@billymichael5734 ...yawn...
@@johnlee1352 did you put on Lucifer's green apron? Naughty repent sinner
@@johnlee1352 have wife sew up all green garments with red robe freak out Temple workers
I am now 75 years old. For the first 58 years of my life I believed in Mormonism I was raised in it. The only reason I remained in it for that long was that I married when I was 33 and then we divorced after 24 years my husband passed away and it made it easier to leave the church which means all my friends my family my whole social structure.
I was questioning way before that time probably about 20 years before all the things that I was taught and the questions that I asked were not responded to and the don't ask that question rely on your face and use your testimony and all of those admonitions. Instead I started reading the Bible and some Bible studies going to different churches and trying to get the Mormonism out of my brain as a frame of reference. To be honest I'm still working on it I find it they're teaching still surface when it comes to matters of death and hereafter as again I'm 75, and I'm just grateful that I got away from it when I did and that I found the strength within myself to go forward and be open to Christianity.
I still struggle but I thank God we're standing by my side and direct me and showing me his light.
Thank you Mike I love your videos.. they're insightful and they can always spark questions and understanding in my heart and mind. God bless everyone.
Lynda,
Thank you for sharing your story. I recently left something similar. 29 years of hearing things one way and over the course of the last few years I started reading the Bible on my own. God has been so faithful. I know that cult-groups can offer some really ecstatic spiritual insights and experiences. At the end of the day I have held to this one truth: without faith it is impossible to please God. You stepped out in faith and you are continuing to seek God by faith. Your life today is far more pleasing to Him than the other life that was spent gaining spiritual knowledge/experiences. One day we will be in Heaven together and will have eternity to share the depths of our story. For now all the glory belongs to God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. May God our Father richly bless you in your latter years.
Your brother in Christ,
Bobby
@Lynda Smith they must have thought you were very special with that last name. Anways, after death your not married to any man or men in this life; Mat. 22:23-33. literally we will be like the angles.; Mat. 22:30, Rev. 21:17.
Praise God for you to finally coming to his truth my heart aches for those who never have seeking a chance
@@rickhuntling7338 you're*...angels* 😊👍
Yes,I pray he keeps working in you the holy Spirit CONVICTING you into all truth. Jesus Christ and his word is all you need to see the truth.
I'm a Christian and my whole family are mormons. They are afraid to look or listen to anything else, it's alienated me from them. I tried but I can't help them. It's sad.
I know they will do anything to not look or even seek out something different and it's breaking my heart as I'm just trying so hard to help them hear the truth. But I guess that's why it's been so effective. All cults don't allow you to look outside for any other information that contradicts their beliefs and your not allowed to ask questions. One thing we can do is pray for them and plant seeds.
Your allowed to ask questions but they don’t want your reading it for yourself which made no sense to me it’s Gods word why do I have to seek a minister who reads it for me and then gives me the answer?
My parents and 2 older brothers are still mormon and my parents refuse to talk about it. I barely email them every now and then but I still pray that God will send someone whom they might listen to that can show them the truth.
Dear Linda,
I gave the following to Bryan who replied to you just below and thought that you could be helped by this also. Dear Bryan,
Maybe there is something in my writings that you can find something that you might think could be helpful to tell your Parents and two older brothers, I know that this can be such a burden to you because if I was in your shoes this would be tearing my heart out. I feel the Lord put on my heart to write to you. I do know you know some of what I am about to say, I am only in hopes of you being able to see the correlation. In the beginning Satin came to this Earth because he had sinned against God, he tried to make himself above God so God cast him out of Heaven. Then when God made first man the Devil talked to them in the Garden and told Eve a lie and Eve believed it, so sin entered all man. Satin has continued to Deceive man from that day forward. You see Satin hates God so much; he also knows that in the end he will be cast into Hell forever along with his demons. He is working hard to take as many people to hell as he can, and he can only do that by deceiving us.
Here is the Point I hope that you will be able to take to your heart. If I am lied to or deceived by someone no matter who it is, it is going to take some time and maybe even never that I will be able to trust that person again. If I am lied (deceived)to I for sure will not be going back to that person to get some truth because that person has lost my trust. So here Joseph Smith said with the very first version of the Book of Mormon, that it was the most correct book in all the Earth because it was Divinely Inspired. (The Bible (KJV) is correct, the meanings of this Bible has never needed correction. PERIOD!) This is Joseph word which should mean something to everyone that listens to him. I can show you verses in that original 1830 version that he changed some most important attributes of God Himself. I am going to show you only one verse and this should make you see that he lied to us even from the very start, He tells us most correct book and that it was inspired by God. Please tell me how God who knows everything from beginning to end would not know His nature, in that He would have to give joseph another vision to correct His mistakes in the first version?
Original 1830 Text (1 Nephi 3, p. 32):
“These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.”
Current, Altered Text (1 Nephi 13:40)
“These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.”
Here is my point what will you do? Will you keep going back to the people that have lied to you in the first place (your churches so-called prophets and Joseph books) and you will think that maybe this time they will be honest with you and that they will now tell you the truth. If people will lie to you about something that is so very important as where our souls will be in Eternity, they will certainly lie to you to explain why these verses have been changed, when you come back to them and ask about these mistakes, asking them why did they change something as important as to the Deity of God? Do you really think now they are going to be honest with you? Of course not. They lied to you once because they have been deceived by the god of this World in the first place and so therefore, he is not going to tell them the truth now because even they have believed in a lie, they are not going to say okay this time we’ll be honest with you, they can’t do that because they too have been deceived. If they have deceived once they will deceive over and over, that can only change when they realize that they to have been deceived, only until they also see the truth in Gods Word the Bible because the Book of Mormon has proven itself to be false in so many places, and yet you are so willing to keep going back to the Mormon church and it doctrine, so they can explain, how can they explain honestly if they themselves don’t know what honest or the truth really is. Every time that you have a question and go back to the books of the Mormon church or to go to the Apostles of that church to explain what certain things mean they will give you whatever it takes to make it sound okay in your ears to make it sound satisfactory and you buy into it. What you need to do is go outside of your church and the books of the Mormon church, to get answers that are true and from God Himself and that place is the Word of God the Bible, it has been the same yesterday, today and forever. God clearly states that His Word WILL NOT pass away. There is NO corruption in Gods Word because it is the true Word of God. I am so thankful that I found the truth and it did not take a man to tell me his truth, which was only deception from the very beginning, and I have given you only one verse out of Book of Mormon showing you the falsehood.
What the Mormon do not realize that the Devil is alive and well today, the same Devil that deceived Adam and Eve is the same being that is deceiving those today. When Satin tried to be above God, God cast him out of Heaven. Satin hates God so much that he is trying to deceive as many people as he can before God puts him away forever, he is constantly starting new religions with falsehoods, and each one of these new belief systems that start up, will say that they are the one and true church. The Mormons are no different, do you really think that because they say they are the one and true church that that is true? The only way we can know if it is of God, we must check it with Gods Word the Bible because it is the only accurate Book. We cannot take any other book to see if the Bible is true because they are not Gods Word. Other books can only be tested to the Word of God the Bible to see if that book is accurate, not the other way around.
Religions such as Jehovah Witnesses, Atheism, Scientology, New Age, Mormonism, etc.
Jehovah Witnesses - believe that Jesus is not God.
Atheism - Don’t believe in God.
Scientology - belief in God is not necessary.
New Age - believe we are mini gods.
Mormonism - believe man was before God.
Hutterites - they don’t believe Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal in nature or substance.
May I ask you what do each of these beliefs have in common? They have taken the Deity out of God! Again, I will reiterate the god of this World (Satin) so hates God that he wants mankind to not give Him His place of Preeminence. I hope that this will strike an accord in your heart so that you can lead your family and many others to the true Lord Jesus, they cannot find him in the doctrine of the Mormon church but a good God-fearing Church.
I have children who are married and heavily indoctrinated in Mormonism. They refuse to look at the truth, and I believe they are scared to lose all their friends, and to be ostracized. Emotions are real in Mormonism, and as a former Mormon myself from the early 1980's ~ 2000's, I can affirm everything he is saying is true. I am so thankful for the Bible, taking the time to actually reading it, and seeing all the amazing proof of how inerrant the Bible really is, without corruption.
I'm am exmormon, now Christian. Thanks for your ministry.
You are 100% correct.
Do you know that Joseph died in the middle of the translation? Therefore a good question is, Why didn't prophets after Joseph complete it? None ever even attempted it. To this day it's only partially complete.
Not sure who this guy is but Mormons barely use the JST. Why is he going on about it?
@@ingyb6180 True believing Mormons wouldn't skip it ever. Culturally things are changing and they are shifting away from it. However it is still reveared as more true than the bible.
All good mormons know that God messed it up, and the only man ever in this life to be greater than Jesus is Joseph Smith. In the history of the church vol 6 pp.408-409 the so called prophet said the following:
I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet."
@@oliveoilchic actually it's hardly ever used. We refer to it every once in a while for greater insight into passages in the Bible. And we don't think Joseph Smith as greater than Jesus Christ. That passage you quoted is never talked about. We talk about Joseph Smith as being a great prophet, not greater than Jesus Christ.
@@ingyb6180 the point is that Joseph referred to himself as greater than Jesus. Whether you talk about it or not, it's in your history. It happened along with a bunch of other sketchy stuff.
Mormonism is the very false gospel Paul and Jesus warn us of.
Joseph never completed the translation because he was murdered. What was the point anyways ? If the Book of Mormon fixed the Bible, why attempt to mess with it at all? The point of Book of Mormon was because the bible was corrupt. And... that the JST wasn't completed, Why didn't your so called prophets finish the work after Joseph died? They are percieved to talk to God. Or did God decide it wasn't that important after all?
Sorry to tell you that you follow a false Christ. I know it feels good to feel righteous and all, but it's of men, not of God.
@@oliveoilchic The Book of Mormon never attempts to correct the Bible and LDS members don't make that statement. Read the words underneath the title: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. Heaven forbid there were another group of people that received his teachings on the other side of the world. That's what the Book of Mormon is about Christ's dealings with these people. You guys focus too much on the history of the church and it's beginnings. These men were human and as humans weren't perfect, even Joseph Smith. The main source of study that LDS people do is the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Not the JST. It's not a big deal, really. Even if he did end up finishing his translation, we would never use that over the Bible which is the word of God. We don't even claim the Book of Mormon to be better.
I was raised as a half-breed LDS/RLDS person (divorced parents). The reason that the LDS do not use the JSTV is that when he was killed in 1844, Emma kept the manuscript. He hadn't finished butchering yet. At any rate, she raised her children. In 1860 Joseph Smith III officially reorganized the people who hadn't followed Brigham Young and other splinter groups. Reorganized is the R in RLDS. JS III used his father's perversion of the Bible. They call it the Inspired Version. So, I was always told by the LDS that they didn't trust that Emma hadn't changed her husband's work, so they didn't trust it. That would be hilarious irony if it weren't so awful.
Thank you for your ministry, Mr. Winger. I was saved at 25 specifically because of the manuscript evidence proving that I could indeed trust the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. Hallelujah, and so it has! That's where I start with all LDS missionaries.
Except for the fact that the Joseph Smith translation exists, everything else you wrote is anti LDS hogwash.
The Joseph Smith version of the Bible is one of the least talked about subjects concerning Mormonism. Thank you for bringing up this topic, because it’s rarely ever discussed in detail.
Yes, and it is strange that it isn’t discussed more. After all, it’s not a stretch that Smith would write a Bible “in his own image” if you will. Then the cult of Mormonism could simply amend their statement to say the Smith Bible is the Bible.
Took a whole class on Mormonism and it never even came up!! Now how wild is that?
Spot on content, Mike! Great presentation.
I was a LDS for about 20 years, having grown up in the church. I have been a born-again Christian now for the same amount of time.
As a LDS member, I served an honorable mission and was as serious as you can get about studying their theology. I completed the 8 years of the Church's Educational Programs for Youth, Seminary and Institute. During all that time, I never came in contact with any of the now made forcefully public, highly problematic early LDS teachings. Like Brigham Young's on blacks and the Prieshood, for example. Neither did I ever heard of Smith's polygamy, poliandry, pedophilia, the true way he used to "translate" the Book of Mormon, which was looking into a hat like a regular witchcraft practioner of his day would do to consult spirits of divination and so forth. In fact, such assertions, if made 20 years ago, would have been met with complete outrage by any faithful LDS, as they would be considered straight out lies. Therefore, it does make my blood boil to see the current leadership now employing of cunning, where at the same time they confess that all those claims that used to be called fabrications by the enemies of the church, are in fact true, they also attempt to water it all down and innoculate people with a little bit of truth and a lot of smoke and mirrors, so that such truths lose the shock value to new members and their youth, when they eventually, come face-to-face with them.
My heart cries out for my loved ones, friends and all the people deceived by this system that requires so much and gives back only illusions of righteousness. Lots of LDS are sincere, honest, of good character, who have been spiritually blinded by strong demonic powers behind this organization.
Demonic powers huh? Ok...
I wonder how much Seminary you slept through. I knew about polygamy in particular. Africans were not permitted the priesthood but would be permitted one day (and a few years later it was so). Some of these other claims I do not consider credible but it also doesn't matter to me; I do not worship Joseph Smith but I am glad he started this church. If not him, it would have been someone else and then someone else would have stories made up about him for others to either defend, ignore or join the hyenas howling at the moon.
@@thomasmaughan4798 So you accuse her of sleeping through LDS Seminary? That's your accusation? LOL typical Borg Mormon to excuse the truth away at the expense of her testimony. You right his church has made you the person you have become and it's not good nor CHRIST like.
So being Joseph Smith sealed himself to other men's sealed wives in the in their absence, wouldn't that be Celestial adultry? Who will be so called sealed to the women in the resurection? JESUS say none, there is not marriage nor giving in marrige in the Resurrection. JESUS would accuse Joseph Smith of err in the scriptures and the power of GOD. The scriptures your adulterate stone seer said were corrupted. JESUS said in the Resurection we be as angles not gods and YHWH is the GOD of the living not the dead. The WORD saw Moromism from a long ways off, in Mat. 22:29-32. In 4 verses JESUS affirms the scriptures are uncorrupted, saints are not sealed in the Resurrection, we won't be wantabe little gods and the ones dead in hell can't be baptized unto the Living GOD. Whom do you believe in? The WORD or the adulterate stone seer. One died for you the other creature died for himself.
@@rickhuntling7338 " So you accuse her of sleeping through LDS Seminary?"
Thank you for reading my comment.
"You right his church has made you the person you have become and it's not good nor CHRIST like."
I have a way to go. Seems you are extremely judgmental. You also have a long way to go.
"wouldn't that be Celestial adultry?"
Yes, it wouldn't. Or something. Not my problem to worry about.
"JESUS say none, there is not marriage nor giving in marrige in the Resurrection."
There is also no divorce in the resurrection.
"JESUS would accuse Joseph Smith of err in the scriptures"
Maybe; but that's not your judgment to make.
@@rickhuntling7338 Let us examine just one of the 16 verses removed from newer bibles. Notice how the various manuscripts do not agree with each other on what Matthew is reported to have said. NONE of the four principle apostles wrote their own books contemporaneously. Actually, I suspect they probably DID but those records are lost, at least for now. Revelation talks about the books (plural) being opened and saints judged by what is written in the books. So nothing is lost to God.
Quote (from Wikipedia)
(2) Matthew 18:11
KJV: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Reason: This verse is lacking in א,B,L (original handwriting), θ, ƒ1, ƒ13, some old Italic & Syriac & Coptic & Georgian mss, and such ancient sources as the Apostolic Canons, Eusebius, Jerome, and others. It is found in some other sources, not quite so ancient, such as D,K,W,X, and the Latin Vulgate. It is not found in any manuscript before the 5th century.[14] According to Bruce Metzger, "There can be little doubt that the words ... are spurious here, being omitted by the earliest witnesses representing several textual types... [This verse was] manifestly borrowed by copyists from Luke 19:10."[15]
I met some Mormons in the summer of 2019. I wanted to know what they believed, and since I didn't know that this video existed, I went on a year long "trek" of studying the LDS's beliefs, starting with taking a 1830 reprint of the Book of Mormon and reading it while listening to an audio version of the current Book of Mormon. In 1 Nephi alone there were 465 changes to the text from the 1830 edition to the current edition. I did not get through the entire Book of Mormon, but in total (from what I have read from those who have looked at the entire Book of Mormon 1830 side-by-side with the current version) there have been over 3,900 changes,
During this "trek" I purchased several other interesting things, such as original copies of the Millennial Star and even the Joseph Smith Translation (which is owned by the other LDS Church, known formerly as the Reorganized Latter Day Saints but is now known as the Community of Christ. The prophet-president line in the LDS Church is different than the line of prophet-presidents in the Community of Christ, and each has their own Doctrine and Covenants which contain different writings, and I know that because I also purchased copies of those too.
In the end, I had to put a halt to my "trek". There's just so much that I learned and the more I learned, the more heresy I kept discovering, so it became too much for me.
They believe God has a Wife Heavenly Mother
I read your entire post, props to you for taking a deep dive into Mormonism to understand it. I’m appalled and amazed by Mormonism and Smith. Like you, there is so much apostasy in Mormonism it’s stunning and eye watering.
@@jboreal7982 the fact that it is eye-watering is exactly how we should feel. We should be motivated by deep love for them to not only reach out, but study out the Book of Mormon, the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price, because when they see that we actually care about knowing the things they care about, it moves them the listen and be responsive. We just have to be wise and measure out everything with scripture by proving all things and holding fast to all that is good
Former Mormon here. 100% accurate. Even the Mormon Church does not use the "inspired translation". That is very telling.
Currently trying to witness to a friend I have made recently who is a part of the LDS church. These videos have been so informative. Thank you Mike.
Before you dump all the info, be sure they dont lose Jesus in the process.
Hopefully you had the friend read Ephesians 2:8-9 -- saved by grace, not by works as Mormons believe their works get them into the upper heaven
Born and raised LDS... After reading the Bible and The Book of Mormon, God showed me the way out... It still makes me sick to my stomach today... My husband's family goes back to "3rd prophet" John Taylor... My own family was brought to America by John Taylor. They are so deeply ingrained in the church... This has been such a lonely road... Gives a whole new meaning to "bear your cross and follow me." Why won't they listen... Not even my husband hears me... The Truth is so much greater than Mormonism. The Truth, indeed set me free! Veritas vos Liberabit!
Praise the Lord Jesus that He brought you out! I, too rejoice in my own salvation that He showed me in Him, through a personal relationship as the Bible teaches. I was a LDS for about 20 years and a returned missionary. My family is very big and all of my siblings with their families are still in it. Have prayed for them for the time I have been a Christian, (20 years as well.)
Keep the faith and the prayers of intercession going!
Blessings.
"Why won't they listen" Many people say that on each side of a divide. How is your own listening? At some point people make choices and that's just the way it is.
you obviously have not understood revelation in the church and in the home.
@@thomasmaughan4798 I just saw this reply 11 months later, so apparently listening on TH-cam is not my forte, lol.
@@germanslice Obviously, after reading a short paragraph posted on a TH-cam video, you must understand me well enough to know that I don't understand? Perhaps a discussion rather than accusation would be amazing! ;-)
"And thus Moses said unto the people, this is my homie Joseph Smith."
🤣wrong!
let them all believe whatever religion they want to believe we will all find out in the end any way🤣😟
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He also added his name to the book Isaiah. One fun fact. JS loved the books of Captain Kidd (the pirate). In one of Captain Kidd’s books, there was a map of the treasure that CK hid. Where did he hid the treasure? In the southern part of Africa in the islands of Comoro. Take a wild guess what the capital of Comoro is......ready for it? It’s Moroni. You can google it to see for yourself. Joseph took that from the Captain Kidd book and created the hill Comorah saying the angel Moroni protected the treasure there. Captain Kidd would kill the person who helped him burry the treasure so he could become a ghost and protect the treasure. The story Joseph said was that Moroni guarded the treasure and even started out as a toad and slapped Joseph the first time he tried to get the treasure. I’m not making this up. I’ve spent wayyyy too much time studying this subject because I care for my Lds friends. I can assure you they will not listen to anything you say when comparing the Bible to the BOM. I’ve spent years talking with hundreds. Never got anywhere......until I told them the stories of Captain Kidd and the Comoro/Moroni deal. They drop out of the cult in a heart beat. You have to be careful though. Most will become atheists as they say “fool me once....”. One needs to explain how the Bible is absolute truth. I then go into showing them how Gen 5 spells out the entire gospel with the meaning of names in the genealogy. Anyways, word to the wise for those who really want to teach the souls of Mormons. Go to Captain Kidd!
wow, I never heard this. I'll check it out, but it sounds believable based on the rest of the things Joseph said.
You are right Ryan!!! It was josephs smiths divination that got me out!! D & C section 111. I found the moroni thing afterwards!! Thank u for your love toward them! ANYBODY can be saved out of it if by Grace the Holy Spirit opens their eyes. This news of moroni can absolutely be one way to present it to them. I am a former ,devout six generation mormon now born again for 18yrs!! Blessings!!😄
hahahaha, that made my morning.
After I left mormonisum I was shown that "Nephi" was a Nephilim fallen angel and the fallen ones where who appeared before JS bringing this "other" gospel!
We know no man has ever seen Almighty God at anytime so people should question who JS truely said he saw...
In his mother's diary she never mentioned of him coming home after seeing who he said appeared to him. I sure know if angels appeared to me I would run hime and tell the whole town!
Mormons don't understand why we bring forth this truth but many of us after finding these things out from the HolySpirit where told to share these findings with others. God's plan is so much bigger then just a few of us! He wants a to know the truth and come back to Him before it's too late!
My mother truely believes my father and her will be married for eturntity even though the Holy Word clearly states that when we die we shall be like the angels and have no need for marriage....I guess this is where they don't believe the Holy Word when it doesn't line up with what JS tought.
Breaks my heart...as it does Father Gods heart because the truth is out there but many have traded it in for a lie...
Eturntity is a long time...
The angel has nothing to do with Africa. Revelations 14:7 states where the angel Moroni would be coming from, as this angel would have the everlasting gospel in his hands to give to them who dwell down on the earth. You guys are looking beyond the mark if you can't see that God ordered that angel to deliver the everlasting gospel up to the earth's inhabitants in these last days as Revelations is about the end of the world and John the Revelator saw our day and time 2000 or more years into the future, God showed the future to him by visions. And that angel came in 1830 to deliver up the ancient record on gold plates to Joseph Smith to translate it and from there the everlasting gospel would go out all across the world as John The Revelator had seen it. So the Book of Mormon is fulfilling biblical prophecy through the distribution of it through The Church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints. Its not the Bible because the Bible never came out from an angel of heaven. But the Book containing the everlasting gospel did come from heaven and John Prophesied of its coming forth in the last days. . More of God's word would be coming forth given for a witness and testimony of Jesus Christ out to the whole before the end of the world comes....
I was in one of their seminary classes and we're just completely trashing the Bible. I asked where they got these terrible ideas and do they know how the Bible was put together. The teacher straight up said "well we know Joseph Smith was working on a new translation to fulfill the Bible and I know there are many truths in the Book of Mormon". It's baffling to me the lack of any understanding of Christian history or what Christian beliefs are.
"It's baffling to me the lack of any understanding of Christian history or what Christian beliefs are."
WHICH Christians beliefs? There's about 7000 denominations (a dozen or two big denominations) and they are very different on many important aspects. The whole point of the Nicean Creed, for instance, was to try to reconcile some of these huge differences. Basically they ended up simply creating a new difference.
Protestants beliefs are no Christian beliefs!!!
@@thomasmaughan4798you should be baffled at yourself!
@@davido3026 "you should be baffled at yourself!"
I perform regular baffle clearing maneuvers.
It's amazing how many people have been duped by Joseph Smith.
As a former mormon , i am greatful to know what is truly important for salvation and the gift of Christs sacrifice. Its so reasonably simple folks.
I just got a Joseph Smith Translation tonight from the missionaries. I had asked them about Isaiah 45:7 and then watched your video regarding it. When I asked them if Joseph Smith had something to say about it, they thought that he only had input in the New Testament. When I saw them this evening, he said that he didn't realise that there were so many Old Testament verses in the JST. That means that he's looking. Hopefully he will be as the Boreans.
My local LDS church rents an apartment in my complex for their female missionaries and I've been talking with the girls locked down these past 3 months. Its been a great opportunity to talk with them as to how the events relate to the Bible, but the Holy Spirit has been urging me to get to the "bear bones" of things and my heart just aches because I know I'm about to shatter their whole world... And yes, I know I am shattering a false world that they might have real life eternal, but this is a big deal and I don't know "why me?".. Oh I never stop talking about my faith and what having Jesus in my life does, but this is different. I get the warning "be ye not many teachers". I feel the responsibility of their souls weighting heavy on my heart...Pray for them... pray for me.. I'm pretty secure in the Bible when it comes to my personal relationship, and I can usually tell someone what the Bible says about most issues, but this is different, this is TEACHING in the most serious kind of way.... And I've never read the book of Mormon... How do I set them on the path of their own research??
Read the book of Mormon. Then you'll know what to say.
"my heart just aches because I know I'm about to shatter their whole world.."
The kindness of Christians on display.
@@thomasmaughan4798 You will find fault were ever you look for it is what you look for.
Is it "unkind" to stop someone from jumping to their death? Is it "unkind" to tell someone
the truth?
Let me guess, you like your world of lies.
You are the most unkind of all creatures. One who will speak "supportive" words to a "friend" as he walks backward off a cliff.
The Word of God is clear, If I do not warn you of your folly and you die in your sin, God will ask of me for your blood.
Jesus is the Son of God, He died on the cross as to scripiture said, was burried and rose again on the third day as scripture says. Jesus is the only way to salvation.
"Not by works lest any man should boast"
Jesus is not "just a man" and He certainly isn't the brother of Lucifer.
Belief in anything other than Jesus is the path to hell.
@@christiroseify "Is it unkind to stop someone from jumping to their death?"
I don't know. On one hand, it seems intrusive, since the person may well be jumping with knowledge of circumstances that you do not possess; perhaps the building is on fire and there's an inflated thing to land on (or water).
But assuming that somehow it is your duty to extend the life of a person that does not wish it extended, perhaps suffering from relentless intense pain, well, maybe it is a kindness and maybe not.
BUT perhaps it is a teenager with no obvious physical problems and one who could enjoy a fulfilling life and wishes to die only because of her emotions of the moment because she does not know the circumstances.
Then it would seem to be a kindness.
"Is it unkind to tell someone the truth?"
It can be; much depends on your motivation for "telling the truth" and the circumstances. Telling a fat woman that she is fat is probably true, but not kind. Telling someone that the sun is shining and the sky is blue, when all present can see this is indeed the case, is true but not necessary to say.
Revealing the existence of something desireable, that you suppose others would also find desirable and appreciate, would seem to be kind BUT that is exactly the reasoning Lucifer gave Eve in the Garden of Eden.
"Let me guess, you like your world of lies."
I don't but unfortunately the Democrats will always be with us.
"You are the most unkind of all creatures."
I'm glad to be most of something!
"One who will speak supportive words to a friend as he walks backward off a cliff."
I suppose so. I could do as so many here demonstrate and speak mean, insultig and hateful words.
"The Word of God is clear"
I disagree with your premise. Were it clear there would be exactly one church on Earth.
"If I do not warn you of your folly and you die in your sin, God will ask of me for your blood."
I have a similar command although I approach its implementation very differently. I am not required to warn 7 billion humans.
"Jesus is the Son of God"
Hooray for agreement on important things.
"Jesus is the only way to salvation."
Two agreements! Can we go for a third?
"Not by works lest any man should boast"
Well, okay, settle for two.
"Jesus is not just a man and He certainly isn't the brother of Lucifer."
So where did each of them come from? Consider carefully your answers. I know they have been made for you but so far not very well thought out.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Okay
Praise Jesus Christ.
I was raised lds before becoming a christian. It is a tgeological nightmare
Would Joseph Smith not be cursed according to Galatians 1:8? "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Paul said that if anyone, whether he himself or an angel from heaven, came and preached a different gospel than the one he originally preached to them, then that person would be accursed. By completely changing John 1:1, Joseph tried to change who Jesus is, which changes the gospel. If he changes the gospel, he is accursed.
Yes he most likely has been cursed. I really wouldnt want to be him after judgement.
When spiders get flushed down the shower drain, my Dad says to himself "Well, he probably made it out alive on the other side."
Christopher Walls how did he die? im wondering..im a Christian btw
@@moniquewhite2850 he was murdered after he was arrested for telling his people to burn down a newspaper printers business.
@@richardholmes7199 actually Joseph did order it. The men who owned the printing press happened to be Mormons against polygamy.
i am a volunteer at the local food bank. Also a missionary couple from the Mormon Church and they gave the clients at the food bank without its leadership an invitation to their church for a christmas open house and program tonight. i am thinking of going to see what clients fell vulnerable to attend. Keep me in your prayers, my name is Luigi and feel free to offer some feed back within the next hour as i am needing to go into town. By the way i am from Australia
Beginning around 1967 I joined the Mormon church and attended a Bible study every Sunday afternoon. We used whatever was the standard English version of the Bible at the time and when I questioned what they said about certain passages they told me the Bible was not translated properly. They never mentioned or came out with a Joseph Smith version of the Bible. I quit after a year because I could see through the false teachings.
My family goes all the way back to Nauvoo. All faithful Latter Day Saints. A great grandfather of mine was a body guard to Joseph Smith. It was really hard, at first, to hear these things. But this is 100% right. I was blind but now I see. Thank you for all you do.
To the polygamy situation... I spent ten or so years in a group who supposedly were set aside to quietly keep polygamy alive when the church gave it up to gain state hood. So while "the church" gave it up there were men set aside by John Taylor to keep it alive.
Dear HotMess, have you ever had a personal relationship with the true Jesus of the Bible?
Love your teaching, I am out of mormonis and open my eyes thank you to God, bless you heart ❤ for all you do.
Have you ever had a personal relationship with the true Jesus of the Bible?
Cool stuff Mike . Blessings from a friendly Reformed brother.
I just found out about you a month ago on the Christmas tree subject and I really enjoy your content. You are one of the few people I actually watch the live streams after they happen. I wish I knew about you years ago.
John 1:1 JSV shocked me. That's my favorite famous scripture. I'm so grateful you are helping mormons wake up (it takes time, believe me) and also creating awareness to Christians and others about JS.
You said it Mike. JS didn't speak Hebrew or Greek, so HOW was he qualified to make textual criticism?
John 1:14 in the JST says the Gospel became flesh and dwelt among us because Joe wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Mormon books contradict the Bible and each other.
Mike, my parents are true blue Mormons, and have been their entire lives. I've recently been inspired to sit down with them and talk about the issues with the church and it's doctrine. However, I'm struggling to think of how to present it and how to break through the brainwashing that is so thoroughly ingrained in their minds. I'm wondering if you have any tips on how I may proceed. I've been praying often about how I should go about it and asking for courage because I know they will fight tooth and nail to keep the cult programming. God bless.
Does your father have multiple wives ? Ask what would your mother think if he Mary someone else her faith will be conflicted. Then shows that in the Bible Paul tells men to have 1 woman and women to have 1 men, and see if she agrees with Paul more than JS
@@icarojose6316Polygamy is too complex; there is another commenter here which talks about Joseph Smith taking a story about Captain Kidd and making his own version in the Mormon Scriptures. Perhaps you could ask that commenter for more information. ❤✝️
Maybe something in this could help you. I feel the Lord put on my heart to let you read this. I do know you know some of what I am about to say, I am only in hopes of you being able to see the correlation. In the beginning Satin came to this Earth because he had sinned against God, he tried to make himself above God so God cast him out of Heaven. Then when God made first man the Devil talked to them in the Garden and told Eve a lie and Eve believed it, so sin entered all man. Satin has continued to Deceive man from that day forward. You see Satin hates God so much; he also knows that in the end he will be cast into Hell forever along with his demons. He is working hard to take as many people to hell as he can, and he can only do that by deceiving us.
Here is the Point I hope that you will be able to take to your heart. If I am lied to or deceived by someone no matter who it is, it is going to take some time and maybe even never that I will be able to trust that person again. If I am lied (deceived)to I for sure will not be going back to that person to get some truth because that person has lost my trust. So here Joseph Smith said with the very first version of the Book of Mormon, that it was the most correct book in all the Earth because it was Divinely Inspired. (The Bible (KJV) is correct, the meanings of this Bible has never needed correction. PERIOD!) This is Joseph word which should mean something to everyone that listens to him. I can show you verses in that original 1830 version that he changed some most important attributes of God Himself. I am going to show you only one verse and this should make you see that he lied to us even from the very start, He tells us most correct book and that it was inspired by God. Please tell me how God who knows everything from beginning to end would not know His nature, in that He would have to give joseph another vision to correct His mistakes in the first version?
Original 1830 Text (1 Nephi 3, p. 32):
“These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.”
Current, Altered Text (1 Nephi 13:40)
“These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.”
Here is my point what will you do? Will you keep going back to the people that have lied to you in the first place (your churches so-called prophets and Joseph books) and you will think that maybe this time they will be honest with you and that they will now tell you the truth. If people will lie to you about something that is so very important as where our souls will be in Eternity, they will certainly lie to you to explain why these verses have been changed, when you come back to them and ask about these mistakes, asking them why did they change something as important as to the Deity of God? Do you really think now they are going to be honest with you? Of course not. They lied to you once because they have been deceived by the god of this World in the first place and so therefore, he is not going to tell them the truth now because even they have believed in a lie, they are not going to say okay this time we’ll be honest with you, they can’t do that because they too have been deceived. If they have deceived once they will deceive over and over, that can only change when they realize that they to have been deceived, only until they also see the truth in Gods Word the Bible because the Book of Mormon has proven itself to be false in so many places, and yet you are so willing to keep going back to the Mormon church and it doctrine, so they can explain, how can they explain honestly if they themselves don’t know what honest or the truth really is. Every time that you have a question and go back to the books of the Mormon church or to go to the Apostles of that church to explain what certain things mean they will give you whatever it takes to make it sound okay in your ears to make it sound satisfactory and you buy into it. What you need to do is go outside of your church and the books of the Mormon church, to get answers that are true and from God Himself and that place is the Word of God the Bible, it has been the same yesterday, today and forever. God clearly states that His Word WILL NOT pass away. There is NO corruption in Gods Word because it is the true Word of God. I am so thankful that I found the truth and it did not take a man to tell me his truth, which was only deception from the very beginning, and I have given you only one verse out of Book of Mormon showing you the falsehood.
What the Mormon do not realize that the Devil is alive and well today, the same Devil that deceived Adam and Eve is the same being that is deceiving those today. When Satin tried to be above God, God cast him out of Heaven. Satin hates God so much that he is trying to deceive as many people as he can before God puts him away forever, he is constantly starting new religions with falsehoods, and each one of these new belief systems that start up, will say that they are the one and true church. The Mormons are no different, do you really think that because they say they are the one and true church that that is true? The only way we can know if it is of God, we must check it with Gods Word the Bible because it is the only accurate Book. We cannot take any other book to see if the Bible is true because they are not Gods Word. Other books can only be tested to the Word of God the Bible to see if that book is accurate, not the other way around.
Religions such as Jehovah Witnesses, Atheism, Scientology, New Age, Mormonism, etc.
Jehovah Witnesses - believe that Jesus is not God.
Atheism - Don’t believe in God.
Scientology - belief in God is not necessary.
New Age - believe we are mini gods.
Mormonism - believe man was before God.
Hutterites - they don’t believe Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal in nature or substance.
May I ask you what do each of these beliefs have in common? They have taken the Deity out of God! Again, I will reiterate the god of this World (Satin) so hates God that he wants mankind to not give Him His place of Preeminence. I hope that this will strike an accord in your heart so that you can lead your family and many others to the true Lord Jesus, they cannot find him in the doctrine of the Mormon church but a good God-fearing Church.
Hey Mike!! Thank you for your ministry. You’re careful in your teaching as well as loving in all that you do. You’re a blessing to me and you have become a great role model to me as a high school student with ambitions to one day begin a career in the ministry also (Lord Willing). Thank you brother!
Keep on the track of your faith brother because The Lord Jesus Christ is the One leading you and He will NOT forsake you EVER, no matter how bad it looks sometimes... You are doing all the right things by seeking His word and looking to good teachers like Mike here. The Lord is putting you where He wants you, at the right time so trust that timing, it's His timing, and He ALWAYS has you prepared with whatever you need to serve Him in faith... like even if it's just 5 stones facing Goliath (and not an ak machine gun) God gives you everything you need right when you need it... just believe Him. You're doing fine kid!!
God bless you brother Mike
I adore you & your doing such awesome work & your light shines so so bright - thanks
Amazing video!! Thank you for revealing the Truth to many who have not been able to evaluate the Mormonism themselves, with their own minds!
great video,i was mormon growing up,as a child the one thing that stood out was how most of these people where sooooooo gullible,they just follow blindly without questioning anything or anyone in the church.
...and yet, here you are. A grown man still bashing a faith you claim to have rejected. Seems you may still have unfinished business with the Latter-Day Saints. Thanks for leaving on your own so we didn't have to throw you out.
John Lee 🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t know morons were so rude
@@nonplayablecharacter4815 So anyone can bash the Mormons with impunity but if there is a response to the vile bilge, they scream "rude". I guess the hater's door only swings one way...
John Lee I’m allowed to hate on fake things
@@nonplayablecharacter4815 Who "allows" you that? Glad you admit to being a hater...
Thank God for you sir!
Thanks for the teaching brother. That was enlightening.
MR WINGER ,, SIR ,, . WOW ,. I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL, THE KNOWLEDGE,, AND SO RESPECTFUL IN YOUR WORDS. 🤔🙏🙏🙏
The "burning in the bosom" part of Mormonism reminds me so much of the song "I Believe" from The Book of Mormon musical. The last chorus/verse/bridge/what-have-you goes like this:
*If you believe, the Lord will reveal it*
*And you'll know it's all true, you'll just feel it*
*You'll be a Mormon*
*And, by gosh, a Mormon just believes*
The Burning in the bossom to witness truth from heaven from the Father Above or receving revelation from God through the Spirit which causes those burning or warm feelings was taught by Jesus Christ himself in Luke Chapter 24 of the Bible..... It is in the Bible about how one receives revelation from God from heaven to be revealed truth from above. The truth is not revealed by just study of the mind or intellect alone. It can only be revealed by the Father through the Spirit.
Excellent video Pastor
Thank you for helping it be easier to leave that church! I think of it more as a trust crisis than a faith crisis because I finally found out how much I have been lied to. Everything you have said here is true and it makes me sad. Can’t wait to get to know God outside of the lens of Mormonism.
Their book of Abraham was translated from old egyptian burial procedures. Sounds like ol' Joseph Smith missed the Holy Spirit mark.
Yeah. He was unable to read Egyptian. He thought he was fooling people
Hello Mike, good to see that this was brought to light. The JST or what the Church called the "inspired version" is wrought with additions and deletions into the text even went so far as to delete and add to the very teachings and words of Jesus Christ within the four gospels. Who does that?
However, it is just as important to note that the Genesis section of the JST, having those 12 extra verses you mentioned in Chapter 50, such that was to infer that Joseph Smith jr. was "of the fruit of the loins" from the patriarchs, (noting that the line " fruit of loins" language was repeated 13 times also seems too redundant an idea also appears out of context)
well the passage in JST in the latter part of Genesis 50 actually came from a section from the book of Mormon, all in the same exact text and content, see Book of Mormon 2 Nephi chapter 3: 3-20 compare it to Genesis ch 50: 27 on >>>.
but in like manner, Joseph Smith also added a whole chapter from the Book of Mormon and copied the whole chapter into the Bible, that being 2 Nephi ch 27, right over into Isaiah 29 KJV Bible. with mentioning the so called the book (..of Mormon) , something like 20 times right into the mouth of the prophet Isaiah!
That Joseph Smith places whole pages of his own Book of Mormon right into the King James Bible which was totally out sink with the king James Bible text, is much more of a mind blower!
Great interview, very informative. Xx
God bring the mormons out of this heresy, including my friends and family. Maybe one day they will truly care about truth.
Praying for your family! What is impossible with man is possible with God!
@@JackeKarashae thank you brother for the encouragement! God bless.
"Maybe one day they will truly care about truth."
I tend to be suspicious of people that claim to have the truth. Seems to be a word too frequently used around here. Do you have a definition of truth?
@@thomasmaughan4798 The definition of truth, according to Jesus, is Himself & the Word of God.
John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 1:1,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Joseph Smith reminds me of someone on LSD who "discovered" they can go to Mars but never left the basement of their parents house.
no no...not on LSD...on LDS
@@christopherwalls4337 could be the same thing. Lol.
stupid comment.
@borrowed tomb gives money digger a WHOLE NEW meaning,eh??
@@richardholmes7199 Gnostic in the Closet...
As a previous Mormon, I will disagree with you on one thing. You said most Mormons don't really know much about the JST. (Joseph Smith Translation) I was taught of the Joseph Smith translation growing up at church and in seminary. We all also have a king James version and learn from it along with the JST because we understand that no one who isn't Mormon will believe the Mormon version of the Bible so they use the king James version to preach to other religions with. We were taught that the king James version is the truest translation besides the JST. My and everyone I knew had a king James version with the JST translations in the foot notes.
All the Mormons I've met had never heard of it. I think you may have been part of the some that did know about it.
Hmm
Have a good mission Sydnee, love you dude. 🫡
Dear Mike,
It's funny to me that whenever I encounter issues concerning the religious debates of today, I always look to your sermons. After your discussions saved me from the Church of God, I continue to be moved by the delicate ways that you articulate the true Gospel of Christ. I'm reaching out to some young LDS boys in Korea right now in hopes that I can help them in a loving and understanding way to see Jesus again in their hearts. As I study this video and others that you have posted on the doctrines of the Book of Mormon, I just want to say thank you again for always reinforcing my feelings and faith. Also, for giving me amazing tools and citations to promote discussion and spiritual growth.
~Dylan
I think, Joseph Smith had a psychosis or so. It's not uncommon to have intense religious thoughts and consider yourself a prophet when you have that mental illness. My dad had a psychosis, and he would look out the window and see a pidgeon sitting on the rooftop and be convinced that the pidgeon was a messenger of God having important information for him. He would fill tons of notebooks with those "revelations". He threw it all away after taking medication and realizing how falsely he perceived the world.
Supposedly Smith had 50 visions of Biblical figures giving him instructions and so on. If that isn't schizoid, then what is it. I don't think he was purposefully deceiving people, I think he was ill and noone could help him at the time.
Well he also did a bit of black magic when he was younger before he "got saved and became a true prophet", but yes I am a huge fan of the hybrid false prophet, magic the mania gathering, theory, I thought I was the only one! Brigham Young though, not so sure of.
kadda1212 He had family members who also had intense dreams and visions.
@@freshbeanne Psychosis and othrr mental illnesses can be inheritable. So that wouldn't surprise me. I had a friend in my youth group who had it as well, and her brother, too. I would also likely be inclined to get something like that, but hopefully it will not happen.
@@pizzapocket7878 I don't know, but Luther was a bit crazy in the sense that he sometimes saw the devil and debated with him, and he had a dark side that he never got rid off which is really disappointing. He was after all an opportunist and encouraged the nobles to bloodily beat down the revolts of the peasants, he was also antisemitic and he propagated euthanasia of disabled children. Despite everything he did for theology he is not the best example figure of a good Christian. He also absolutely did not know how to love his enemies, always cussing and mocking...
He suffered from PTSD during his childhood years associated with his traumatic leg surgery. Combined with a family wrought in "glass-looking", an old fashioned term for socery. He was eventually convicted in the State of NY in 1826. Then later, he joined the Freemasons. Died in jail with a Jupiter talisman in his pocket.
@Mike Winger at 52:26 you say "I don't care about what Luther claimed" and then at 52:36 you say "I don't remember Luther claiming to be a restorer of the Church". Which one is it? To be honest the Cliché "I don't care about Luther . . ." is what most Protestants say when they are confronted with the fact that Luther is the inventor of Sola Scriptura & Sola Fide (which all Protestants believe). Many people have claimed to be the rescuers of the "true church". not just Joseph Smith!
La Fe de la Iglesia You need to read the bible i say this with love. because there is only 1 way
@Monique White Thank you for responding! What makes you think I don't read my Bible? Thank you! I even make Bible reviews: th-cam.com/video/_4pDKHLKRRU/w-d-xo.html Blessings!
Thank you very much for helping to expose this fool who doesn't seem to understand that there is only one gospel. It's Christ telling you to follow him. And I have yet to find a Christian group that doesn't teach that, before they teach anything else.
I am a Christian, a Protestant Christian and I think Luther was spot on. He was raised up by God and converted as he read the scriptures. He was a true teacher of the Word of God, he had a passion for the truth of Jesus Christ and for His gospel of eternal salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Paul taught justification by faith alone (obviously true faith is accompanied or shown by works and not vice versa but it is faith alone that saves Galatians 2:16. That faith must be in Jesus Christ alone and none other for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved Acts 4:12. That faith can only come from hearing the Gospel in the Word of God for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God Romans 10:17 and the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish but to us who are being saved it is the power of God to salvation 1 Corinthians 1. Whilst one is justified only by faith it is by the grace of God alone that faith is given - for by grace are you saved, by faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God Ephesians 2:8-10 and finally it is to the glory of God alone that we might be to the praise of His glory and grace Ephesians 1 and 2 and that men might see our good works and glorify our Father in heaven.
Gratitude and thanksgiving
Hey Mike.
I wish I wouldve had a video like this when I was struggling with my faith. I left the mormon church when I was 17. Wish I wouldve had some theological arguments for the leadership at the time. Very well done.
Chris Schneider Hi are you in a church a bible based church yet?
@@moniquewhite2850 Hi! To be honest with you. I am taking a break from church. I dont like the idea of it. I do however go to bible study and am very active reader. But the mormon church for 17 years kinda drained me.
Chris Schneider, we understand. It is draining. So glad you stay in the Word! ❤ Let God continue to lead you and let Him direct your path. This "break" could very well be His plan for now. Take His Peace!!!😄
@@elizabethking5523 I appreciate it. I actually just moved to NC and found the Navigators. So ive started going to bible study and church with them. Its been a great expierence so far.
@@chrisschneider2393, oh I am glad! Stay strong my Brother! Blessings to you!!😄
Yeaa!! I thought the same with the way Joseph Smith wrote to make it seem like words from the Bible, but yet he did not think that the way they spoke or were translated from the Bible were of those old times and in which some words were written depending on parts of a sentence that were translated from Greek and Hebrew to English(original).
I noticed that I couldn't understand back then reading the Book of Mormon, and noticed now that the Bible makes a more better sense.
Now I'm a christians and adopted by God in Spirit, and can now discern the wrong things from the Book of Mormon which claims to be like the Bible but I already read the Bible more than I read the Book of Mormon, and it is a no wonder that God has allowed me not to go to the church in years, but to be born of the Holy Spirit to do the things of God and not for him as the Lord Jesus Christ has already done so in which we may all believe in him.
Much love to all of you, and may the Lord bless you that you may understand the things of the true book, The Holy Bible(kjv, nkjv, niv, nlt, etc.)❤🌈🕆
@Mike Winger... What bible is that you are holding in your video? The binding looks very nice. I am also curious of the translation. Thx!
Hi, just recently found this stream. I am curious what time the live stream starts. (I work nights so lot of time sleeping during days) Thank you.
As a former Mormon, raised in the church, I didn't even know basics about the gospel until I had left the church, become an atheist and eventually understood Jesus through sermons online and articles haha. Mormonism has no grace, it's completely reliant on works, be a good person as defined by Mormonism and you get to heaven. I had no idea who Jesus was. I saw images of him, I knew his name, I sang songs about his loving me ... but I never knew he died for the sins of mankind and a person was saved through faith because that isn't what Mormons believe. I don't feel Mormonism is Christianity but I believe some Mormons are Christians. Salvation is reliant on if you trust in Jesus as Lord and savior, you can do that while being a Mormon or a Catholic. A lot of people stay in religions out of habit and growing up with the people.
Mike I want to thank you completely for your videos and the correct translation of the Bible. Being exmormon I was born and raised in to the Mormon belief system at a very young age. I believe that everyone is a product of their environment and when we make choices to surround ourselves with certain influences well then we become a product of those influences. I praise the Lord and I thank God for allowing me to escape the grip of a false teaching through you and I believe you are one of God's soldiers and thank you for your efforts and putting time into bringing a better understanding and bring it into Focus the true meaning of God's plan for us in every detail. God bless you brother
Thank you so very much 🙏👍😊!
THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR WISDOM AND TRUTH
Pastor Mike,
I'm in searching for a Biblie in English to study it on English(my first language is Spanish). My question is Which version of the Bible you recommend??
I think several would be good choices. For a very easy to read translation that takes a bit of liberty with the text try the NLT. For a careful word for word try the NASB or ESV.
@@MikeWinger thank you I highly appreciate your fast answer and for some guidance.
I love your ministry
God bless you
I just asked a Mormon Missionary why they don't use the Joseph Smith Translation instead of the KJV. After some back and forth, he agreed that the main reason is because they wouldn't reach as many people. Since they use the KJV, when someone accuses them of adding to the Bible, they can claim that they use the same Bible that many Christian denominations use.
When I was reading through some of the Book of Mormon I think I figured out why they use the KJV almost exclusively. Entire passages of the Book of Mormon are word-for-word the same as the KJV. The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith was translating from "reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics" into English. The translators of the KJV were translating from primarily Greek and Hebrew into English over 200 years before Joseph Smith. Pretty crazy that the translations end up being word-for-word in many places after being translated 200 years apart from different languages. Coincidence?
And just what in your twisted thinking makes you think that a book commissioned by a vile murdering king who thought he was gods king is the right one ? So what if the KJV was written 200 years before. Henry the Eighth wrote a version before that, the Catholics bible is at least 1500 years before that . They are all vile, all have errors
@@gowdsake7103 Can you explain how my thinking is twisted? I never said it was the "right one". But it is the one the Mormons use. What do you mean they are all vile and all have errors?
@Craig Laycox Eh, not much of a dialogue. He didn't respond to my questions. I sometimes go back and forth a few times with atheists. If their minds don't change, maybe someone in the comments could change their mind.
If I remember correctly, I'm not sure that reformed Egyptian he was :translating" from was actually a confirmed language to even exist..
@@richardholmes7199 read the CES letter. Many sources prove Book is plagiarized from texts circulating in Joseph Smith,’’s lifetime. Including Captain Kidd book!
Thank you for this insight. I pray that God will bring the light into many souls that have been led astray by deceitful.
Hey Mike! I have learned so much from you! I enjoy your sound doctrine.
Have you ever thought of writing these things in a book form? Like a study guide? Or like a pamphlet form where we could easily hand out? I would love your videos in book form! Just a thought. Thank you for all your hard work in defending our Christian Church.
If youre a mormon, I pray for you.
Patricia Barrs good, we all need prayers. We pray for you too.
I read this as "If you're a moron, I'll pray for you." I had to verify twice! I've been at my computer for too long today!
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How do you defennd an adulterate man 30 times over who rewrites the WORD of GOD? I pray for the Idiots that are stupid enough to believe such a yarn, then defend the liar after he is caught.
@@rickhuntling7338 Careful when you call people in other religions stupid. If you are objecting to what they are teaching as a christian then show some compassion.
Thank Jesus someone is praying for them
true. joseph ISN’T the hero they say he is!! thank you mike
I see u everywhere, lol
"harmonizing the Biblical text....so that I can change it..." thanks for pointing that out so clearly Mike. God bless brother!
LDS is circling the drain by the exposure of common mormon knowledge.
I had NO IDEA he actually WROTE HIMSELF INTO the Bible. Wow!! I mean, wowie!! That’s insane. I was duped by the LDS about 3 years ago and was baptized, but I see now how big of a fraud the whole structure is. Thank you for this video. Did you do a video about Roman Catholics?
Mike your doing a great job.
When I read that Joseph Smith added himself and his father in Genesis, I know that many people get upset, but I thought it was the funniest thing ever, and I just laughed and laughed.
Thank you for the information you shared re Mormonism. Very helpful video. ❤🌹
Please do more videos on JW's. I'm having hard time dealing with them. On the plus side they did take me out for lunch.
Ex-JW here. I can help.
They love you brother...
The Executioner They do, not sure how to reconcile with their theology. Harmful doctrines and practices aside, they do love you (it’s been debated even then, to an extent).
anything for free food
Did they pay?
Can you do a video on seventh day Adventists?
Really enjoyed your video! Few things I want to say!
1. The reason the church doesn't officially use the JST isn't because they think their members will be appalled by its teachings, it's because they don't own the rights to their own book!!!!! The rLDS church, or the reformed church, has the legal rights to it! Crazy! The god of mormonism isn't powerful enough to get the rights of their own prophet's book to the right church. Hmm
2. I really liked what you said about Moses performing some incredible showcase of divine wizardry, and you didn't mis speak at all imo, but you were close to it, so I wanted to mention this: You said "That would be impressive", which I am glad you said instead of saying something like "obviously proves he was the real deal". When I prayed for the church being true, a "White fluffy ghost" entered my body and filled me up. It was creepy and awesome at the same time. When I told the other members they kept trying to get me to say it was the Holy Spirit, but I said "No... White fluffy ghost." I wanted to keep my options open, and not have to deny my own holy spirit later on. I would rather deny a white spirit. Gal 1:8-9 talks about the possibility of angels coming down and preaching a different gospel, and the Bible also says that Satan comes as an angel of light. That was actually a tangent. What I really wanted to say on this point was that Brigham Young hijacked the official church when Joseph died, and when he gave his first talk his face shape-shifted into Joseph Smith's face. %90 of the crowd saw it and confirmed it. Impressive? Yes. True? Not necessarily. In fact, we *need* false prophets to arise to fulfill biblical prophecy from Matthew 24:24. For false christs and false prophets shall arise and perform signs and wonders, and possibly deceive even the elect." It's nice that Moses did some cool trick, but false prophets can do that too.
3. What you said at the end around 35 minutes is really important and almost defeats the whole point of the video in a way, since you spent a lot of time claiming it wasn't a translation. Neither Christians or Mormons believe the JST is a traditional style translation, they believe it's an inspiration, as it's obviously eisegesis not exegesis. It's okay to say the book is terrible, but it's not okay to say it tries to be a "Functional Dynamic Equivalent" or "meaning for meaning translation", let alone a "literal translation" also known as a "word for word" one from the KJV Bible. It's more like a "paraphrase" version like the message version of the Bible (the MSG, which is also terrible and you should make a video on too), than a bad attempt at getting close to what the NIV or NKJV accomplished. By 2060, if they get the bright idea from somewhere, the church may come out and say the book was just a commentary all along like John MacArthur's "version" of the bible.
EricSmyth14 he mentions about The Message in his Bible Translations video. Not a good one and not much more to say about that. He talks a fair amount about it. It's pretty obviously bad, lol, people know they're looking at an "out there" Bible that's aimed at easy reading. Appreciated reading your comment about the copyright and the "white ghost"! 👍
From what I understand Joseph Smith never finished his translation. A partial translation is not very useful.
The 12 new verses added to the end of Genesis make me think of bonus tracks added to a deluxe version of a music CD. Although in that same analogy, said bonus tracks were written and performed by a tribute band trying to look and sound like the original. And failing at that.
Thank you Mike, God bless your teaching to open blind eyes, in Jesus name, amen. GOD be PRAISED!!!!
Seek our Father and his understanding.
Ask that his Wisdom lead us in his path of righteousness.
Knock bless you Father for blessing us with your Son and name Jesus.
Anyone who seeks will find.
Anyone who asks will be given.
Anyone who knocks the door will be open.
CES Letter. everyone needs to read it! opened my eyes
Curious what people choose to believe.
I want to watch more things on Mormonism on your channel but it’s kinda hard to find all the videos in one place. Maybe make a playlist?
Thank you for saying “blacks” when answering that question at the end. I bugs me so much when people say African American. It’s like when people call all Spanish speaking people Mexicans.
😂😂😂 I'm Nigerian (with an American accent - and an MK in Europe lol) and I totally feel you
Amen Nate. I don't like when people say African American. I'm black.
Same here, a brazilian who is always asked “are you mexican” 🙄
Black is a CRAYOLA CRAYON be careful how you define your self words can keep you afflicted BA "LACK"
Nate Rivera - Your point should have been "Browns" instead of calling Spanish people Mexicans.
Damnable heresies indeed, thanks for your sincere ministry brother.
From the beginning in the Garden, the enemy's tactic to confuse man was to cast doubt on the Word of God. He still does that today, not just in Mormonism, but also in the hearts of Christians who question their own salvation, cannot forgive themselves, or otherwise lack faith in the promises and power of God. Nothing has hurt the human condition more than sin.
Without even watching this, I know he added himself into the Book of Genesis in chapter 50, although some followers of the Mormon Church think he was removed from every other translation. I guess I'll have to watch to see if there's anything else.
Eye opening! Thank you for this.
Thank you so much. I talked to a couple of kids that were handling out LDS Bibles and struggled to argue with them directly instead I listened and heard them out but was so hard to go against what they tried. We would according to Revelations if the2nd coming happens. There won’t be any doubt.
Can you post picture of change? Is one changes in Revelations or Genisus added Joseph
I am thankful for this video. Question for you when they say that actual healing occurs from this priesthood. do you think this healing comes from fallen angels because I doubt it would be from God possible similar to the new age movement healing???? It seems demonic forces have the ability to take the iniquities from people to show people that this is false power please let me know what you think thank you
Hey star stone, good question. I was a very devout mormon for 33yrs and i have wondered that off and on since leaving 18yrs ago. The only thing i can think of, bc i have seen many legitament healings thru those yrs that the Name of Jesus is still claimed in everyone of those prayers and their faith (they really believe that name heals) in " His Name"to heal- may be enough.??? In other words, God knows their heart as well. He knows they are deceived. And maybe His mercy is being shown..??? Bc the Name of Jesus is the True power , not their "priesthood". Just a thought.😊
The gifts of God can be handled only on principles of righteousness. Be careful of your judgement. When the disciples of Jesus found someone casting out devils, and they tried to forbid it saying he's not one of us, Jesus rebuked (mildly) his disciples: Luke 9:49 ¶ And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
I think God is merciful, and we should give him all praise, honor, and glory, not attribute these miracles to men, but to God.
Having said that, there is a scripture about many false prophets and false Christ's in the last days having power to do great signs and wonders so as to deceive the very elect if it were possible.
Nicely done with truth and grace. A valid question each of us need to ask one self is “do you want to be right, or do you want to pursue the truth”.
hey mike! just want to ask where you got this info about mormon belief ? like how he changed the bible ( how he changed john 1 1 for example, where you get that info thanks!) plz reply thx!
oh nvm! I found it! but I do want to ask, do they study the kjv or the one Joseph translated ?
Clement Films many don't even get that far in the other books KS wrote according to the people on the channel "mormonstories".
Mormons study the KJV. They don't use the JST very often. It's just used for insights from Joseph Smith.
Bless your ministry, Pastor Mike. You are doing a great good fighting falsehoods....I hope you do a similiar one for the JWs.
Honestly if you reprove them from the actual bible they are Outraged actually very abusive and scary.
Not so. Most of the abuse on this page, well so far ALL of it, is from Christians abusing Mormons. You can see my mild responses. Of course, it helps if your reproofs are anywhere near relevant and accurate.
How can Joseph Smith improve a translation, when he is "translating" from English to English?! 😂
Well done
Thank you, Mike, for this video. I think you brought out a lot of issues that don't get enough attention. I was raised LDS until I reached the age of 16. Before being ordained a "Priest," I told my father that I could not go through with it, because I did not believe the church's doctrines. He told me that Satan was just tempting me with doubt, and if I went through with it, everything would work itself out. So, I went ahead and let them ordain me a Priest, but my doubts did not subside. I still attended church for a while, but I refused to participate in my priestly duties, because I considered it to be an insult to God to go through motions that did not conform with my personal convictions. I went through a period of Hell, because they don't make it easy for someone to go against the grain in the way that I did. For a brief time I declared myself to be a Satanist, because I didn't have the best frame of reference. Then, for most of my life, I considered myself to be a Pagan Pantheist. However, a few years ago, I had a falling out with my gods for basically lying to me. I accused them of being false gods and told them that I could not worship them any longer. I don't know how I would describe myself now, but I am very wary of the whole thing, even though I have certainty that God exists and never doubted that. I'm just not certain that I understand God's nature. Anyway, I have been watching some of your videos and enjoying them. You strike me as an honest person who is not afraid to speak Truth, even when it might make you unpopular. God bless.
It’s really hard when you grow up in a false system to believe and come to grips with truth. I mean, if hey, even my parents were kidding themselves/kidding me, how can I trust anything? Your comment is a blast from my past.
It’s important not to be fooled, but you can be so careful to be not fooled that you can blind yourself to what really is true. I won’t tell you what that is - you don’t know me - but I suggest that you cry out to God, the Most High. Whoever is God or claims to be a god, you want the real, original one, right? Whoever the One at the top is. Ask Him to show Himself to you in a way that you can understand, and keep you from being steered wrong. I will pray for you.
@@kimadams2995 That's what I've been doing. I have the sense that I am being listened to, but have not received any definitive answers yet to my questions. Still working at it. Thanks.
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video because I always wondered how Mormons, who confess to be Christians and believe in the Bible in addition to the Book of Mormon, could reconcile their doctrine which is not biblically based! I never knew Joseph Smith actually made changes to the Bible.
There is much in the bible that can be found in the teachings of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints.
Reconciliation proceeds by the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Book of Mormon tells stories of people that fled Jerusalem when it was attacked by the Babylonians if I remember right. It doesn't really contain a lot of doctrine but does have a few good chapters on the atonement of Jesus Christ and some other things I find useful and explained with clarity. As to changes to the bible, good heavens -- just go to "biblehub" to see how the entire bible has been re-written cover to cover many times. NIV, NASB, KJV and so on.
"could reconcile their doctrine which is not biblically based!"
There's about 7000 different churches (denominations) claiming to be bible based. Perhaps its utility as an authority of how to make a church is overrated.
@@thomasmaughan4798 the BoM 5000+ changes with more to come. Translations aren't rewrites. Changing from thee to the or ye to you is hardly a rewrite. Nothing changes the original message or doctrine.
Writing yourself in Gen. 50 as to fool people he was prophesy after the fact is a liar and a fraud. Changing Jn. 1:1 to suit Mormon doctrine is blasphemous.
"I never knew Joseph Smith actually made changes to the Bible."
Yes and no. I have a King James bible published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it appears unchanged from any other King James Bible. However, the NIV bible has thousands of changes. So does every version of the bible have thousands of changes. See below.
These words are NOT exactly synonymous. For instance, the Lord sometimes "regrets" having made man, but in other translations he was "sorry". But sorry has a connotation of humility and apology *to someone aggrieved* by the action that provoked your apology.
How is it possible for an omniscient, omnipotent God to create something and then regret it?
It isn't possible. Therefore the story is incomplete or incorrect OR God is not actually omniscient and omnipotent OR there's something else (I mentioned "incomplete").
Suppose someone asks you how it is possible for God to *repent* of anything (Genesis 6:6)
New International Version
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.
English Standard Version
And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
Berean Study Bible
And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
King James Bible
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
New King James Version
And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
New American Standard Bible
So the LORD was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
NASB 1995
The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
NASB 1977
And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Amplified Bible
The LORD regretted that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was [deeply] grieved in His heart.
Christian Standard Bible
the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and he was deeply grieved.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
American Standard Version
And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And LORD JEHOVAH regretted that he had made Adam in the earth, and he was grieved in his heart.
Brenton Septuagint Translation
then God laid it to heart that he had made man upon the earth, and he pondered it deeply.
Contemporary English Version
He was sorry that he had made them,
Douay-Rheims Bible
It repented him that he had made man on the earth. And being touched inwardly with sorrow of heart,
Hey Pastor Mike. Great video.