Before You Use The Passion Translation Watch THIS
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- This video is all you need to know about The Passion Translation of the Bible. I summarize many hours of research in this one interview and I hope this becomes a resource for pastors, churches and anyone who has run into The Passion Translation and wants to know more about it or its chief architect, Brian Simmons. You’ll hear about several issues with the translation, with example passages, you’ll find out about Brian’s supposed visions and how his credentials aren’t what he has claimed. We’ll compare TPT to other translations, show how it unjustifiably changes God’s word, reveal the truth about Brian’s so-called training and experience, and hear what actual scholars have said about TPT.
Melissa Dougherty interviewed me, this is her TH-cam channel - / @melissadougherty
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Revelation tells us cursed is anyone who adds or takes away from the Word. Use your discernment, Family of God. Thank you for this word. ❤️
Omg I'm soooo bored. Facts first before your drama
@@forexchic Troll alert.
Revelation tells us (paraphrasing) "Do not add or take away from this book" meaning the book of Revelation. Of course you could assume that it would probably not be good to add or take away from any of the books of the bible... However, more than anything, it is best not to change the actual meaning of the words in the bible. However, lots of passages in the bible are interpreted in many different ways, and oftentimes passages have more than one meaning behind it. So alas, I guess we'll see in the end what God thinks about everything ;)
@@forexchic Already cursing God's name, saying his name in vain? "OMG"? Read Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
I can’t speak to the Greek New Testament, but as a Hebrew speaker (and reader) the first time someone mentioned this translation I opened it up to Ps. 1 and literally the first verse i was like “this is the worse translation I have ever seen” the absolute ignorance in the translation and additions to it were astounding
Wow! That is important insight!
Thanks for letting us know:)
As a native greek speaker, I was curious enough to see how they translated the Gospel of John and they butchered one of the most important chapters of Christian theology (John 1). Translating λόγος as 'The Living Expression' is crazy. Also, in Revelation they changed Alpha and Omega to Alef and Tav. They are really holding tight to the belief that the NT was not written in greek. Scary to see how people are accepting this so-called translation.
My senior pastor used the Passion translation for a little while.
He enjoyed the language and he leans charismatic himself.
However, as he read it, he did start to see the strange disconnections. At about the same time, I presented him with what I had learned about the translation from you, Pastor Mike, and he very readily put it down.
What you were talking about regarding the label "translation" and the immediate assumption we have about translations being put forward by a team of people is absolutely true. And language like this really appeals to people who lean more charismatic; though I would hope and pray that those who have a good understanding of the Bible will see the deception before too much damage is done.
🛑 Wait, the publishing house is called BroadStreet?? Like, Broad-is-the-Street that leads to destruction? That's a whole red flag right there in plain sight! 😅
LoL, yeah👍
Garfield Davidson 🤣🤣🤣
Ouch.
Haha, I thought the SAME THING when I heard that
I thought the EXACT same thing when I heard it. I mean what “Christian” organization names themselves “Broadstreet”?? Prayerfully it’s because their offices are located on a road called Broad Street somewhere. 😳😳
I bought a harmonized Gospel book, from a discount store. I started to read it and immediately thought it was worded a bit oddly. Wouldn't you know it's the passion translation. Now I'm here. Stay sober and vigilant, brothers and sisters. Peace be with you all
Initially, I was also very seduced by the Passion Translation. I researched, only superficially, Brian Simmons, and was misled by his claims of authenticity. I will say this, although I like to think of myself as a completely logical thinking person, when I received the Passion Translation, it felt really odd to me, I can't really explain it. I packed it up, shipped it back and kind of felt a relief when it was gone. Having spent these past few years as a reborn Christian, and studying every single day-only the approved translations, I think I have perhaps developed a discernment. That is amazing to me. The Lord by his Holy Spirit really does guide me, even when I don't expect it. Thank you for your continued enlightenment, Pastor Mike. I really appreciate it
TPT was given to me from a friend. I was so touched by the sentiment, but after reading the KJV and NIV there was something that just didn’t sit right with this “ translation”. I would cross reference the verses and I too felt the Holy Spirit was telling me to
Put it down and stop reading.
I felt this exact same thing! Always felt weird in my spirit about it, never knew why.
I agree with what you say Amen.💕🙏💕
It's been marvelous to me how many books I've owned or had access to, wanted to read but was _prevented_ from reading them, later finding out that they would have been damaging for me to learn from.
@@ronnieoverby that's a great reason to stick to writings that have stood the test of time! Obviously the Bible, but if you're going to read outside of that, sticking to established believers from history can really help.
Reading all the way back to the earliest Christians can also give a lot of insight into how the church has developed over time and either done better or strayed from the truth in different areas. Scripture is the only writing that won't fail though!
Why does The Passion translation sound like a high schooler trying to make his creative writing project long enough to meet his teacher's requirements?
😂😂😂 so true
You have faulty thinking.
I see nothing wrong with it we are to be passionate about the Lord , its a good thing. I haven't looked at much of the verses in the Passion Bible yet but the one I did check looked fine...similar to the Amplifies Bible.
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G H if you see nothing wrong with the changes shown in this video, you may need to consider whether or not you truly understand the context of what you’re reading. It’s completely different in many ways, but of course most things will sound “similar”, otherwise it’d be easily seen for the deception it is.
God's Word also specifically states in Galations 1:8: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." NKJV
@@mattcarney9946 I’m interested in how this “translates” in the passion version.
I am an AG Pastor in Iowa and I will be addressing those who use dreams to prop themselves up and preach another gospel (Preaching through Jude). I will be using TPT as an example. Thank you for this video.
Hey, I am a congregant of an AG church in Iowa, do you think this is spreading throughout the AG? I fear it might be.
@@michaelschuster4407 I believe it is. Attended an AG for 20 years.
We’ve been visiting an AG church and their pastor is utilizing this book and we’re about to leave because if AG is using this widespread as you suggest, there’s not really any point for us to bring this conversation up with the pastor. We’re retired Church of God (Cleveland) ministers ourselves.
I received a Passion Bible as a gift and the giver said that Simmons had spoken at her church and he presented his translation as the most accurate and inspired. As I was reading it I came across the words that man is created a little lower than God. I knew that was NOT in scripture and went to a credible translation to verify the verse. That was enough for me.
I don't believe in the Passion Translation either, but you're talking about Psalm 8:5. In that verse the literal Translation is that man is "created a little lower than Elohim."
The Strong's Concordance definition of the word Elohim is:
Strong's Definition:
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural {thus} especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - {angels} X {exceeding} God (gods) ({-dess} {-ly}) X (very) {great} {judges} X mighty.
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition:
(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God
That is not completely inaccurate. You can easily make the case that “God” here is actually more accurate than some translations that read “Angels.”
Hebrews 2:7-9
New King James Version
7 You have made him [a]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[b]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
Wrong is wrong. And the tpt translation is wrong.
@@Uncledl That's specifically refering to Jesus tho right?
One translator, some angel named "Passion" and added stuff - good grief! Why is ANYONE giving this any attention?! How did this thing even get published?
The fact that anyone who calls themselves a Christian would accept such a thing is mind boggling. Doesn't anyone have basic discernment anymore?!
God sovereignly decreed the creation of aberrant Scripture so that Christians would know how Jews feel.
@@1kings18apologetics6 I didn't know Jews are Calvinists. Unfortunately, you won't find too many Calvinists on this channel.
The obvious answer would be "No." Spiritual discernment comes through the Holy Spirit through seeking Yahweh 's Holy Scriptures, because the Holy Spirit will not contradict the Word-Our Lord Jesus who became flesh, but testify of Him! These false prophets and false teachers are the very ones God speaks of in Jeremiah: "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord . They continually say to those who despise Me, ‘The Lord has said, “You shall have peace” ’; And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, ‘No evil shall come upon you.’ ”
Jeremiah 23:16-17 NKJV
I just ran across a post on fb from someone I always thought was a strong Christian who is now quoting verses from this translation :-(
@Clouseauish Curious as to why you think "Jesus Calling" is blasphemous? I find it to be a good daily devotional.
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" ~ Galatians 1:6-9 (NIV)
Enough said.
Roger Quarton We need to see what the Passion version says about this passage!
The NIV leaves out 16 scriptures, which inevitably changes the gospel... stick to KJV if you want the true gospel... GBY
@@AFrayedKnotCrochet If it has anything to do with working for my salvation, I'm in! I love to work.
@@AFrayedKnotCrochet Yes, the King James bible is incorruptible and forever settled in heaven. Always be leary of someone who says you must have intimacy with God. That word is not in the King James bible. Intimacy is between a husband and wife. We love God with a pure love. Keep standing sister.
Amythyst 7
Which 16 scriptures?
Jesus wept seems more passionate than “tears streamed down his face” “wept” Is more than simple tears, the word wept carries more than what you can see, it carries more emotion. Plus if you translate the “tears” version into other languages it could be misrepresented as something got caught in his eye and it began to water, so this translation is playing with fire
That’s the problem with doing a new translation. You start changing things just for the sake of changing things. In order for the reader to feel they are reading something new or “getting their money’s worth” you really don’t have a choice. So now you are not trying to be accurate, but trying not to disappoint the audience. If your translation is identical to others then really what was the point? It sounds like anyone who would take on such a task is hungry for some sort of human recognition & finding a grand purpose in life. The Bible has basically been translated as much as it can possibly be translated without losing integrity of the original text. If you want to add commentary that would make more sense & be less dangerous because you aren’t declaring your words to be the infallible words of God. I would be much too terrified to do my own translation. The risk far outweighs the reward.
@@JC-li8kk It depends on the intention of the translation. The original languages are difficult to translate into English, so often a choice has to be made. You either take each word in its most literal form, or you take the whole verse and phrase it in a way that the reader will understand what the original intention of the verse was. Various translations do a bit of both to different degrees. Bibles like the NASB add footnotes for alternative translations so you can make up your own mind on what the passage means. If you’re worried that you aren’t getting the real truth of God’s Word, try learning Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and study from the manuscripts yourself. It’s time-consuming, but it’s the only way you’re going to get the complete truth out of God’s Word.
“Oh we’re just so spiritual we don’t need education and knowledge an understanding of anything, the Holy Spirit will tell us everything”
Sadly, this or some variation thereof is exactly the mindset that many develop.I pray that all of us would just stop taking for granted things like a sound mind, or worse still, instead of giving thanks to God just being lazy in our studies and letting such a blessing go to waste. May we hear the exhortation of the Apostle: "Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship." (Romans. 12:1) † NASB † Soli Deo Gloria!
Never heard of this translation so I'm glad you're bringing this up.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries Great take! I agree with your post 100%
Its pure Garbage. It actually inhibits a person from reading all 66 of the books that make up the Bible, which means library and short for Bibliography.
Don't bother with it. Stick with KJV or KJ21 (21st century King James Version) if you hath troubles with Thou and Ye being used. They are the only ones that correctly do not leave out or change the contextual meaning.
@@Alec_Cox Though the KJV mistranslates some references to the deity of Christ, e.g., 2 Peter 1:1.
@@sven179 2 Peter 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
How is this mistranslated?
@@matthewcooper4248 The last clause should read "of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ." The Greek construction uses both words 'God' and 'Saviour' of Jesus, whereas the KJV seems to separate the two. The reason for this is that this grammatical construction in Greek (the Granville-Sharp construction, after the one who discovered it) hadn't been discovered yet at the time the KJV was being translated.
I'm not saying this to say the KJV is bad or that you should stay away from it. It is a very good translation. What I was trying to point out is that it's not the perfect, be-all and end-all of translations, which seemed to be what Alec was getting at. Nothing like The Passion 'Translation', I'm just going against KJV-onlyism.
When I hear people say things like, "I really like the way this verse reads in translation [pick your favorite]." I cannot help but think, does God like the way it reads?
Good people are mezmerized by this book. Pray people!
Wow I had heard that it had problems, but this is insane! Pure heresy! I do hope more people raise the red flags on this and warn others.
I AGREE! And I appreciate your "passion!"
Thank you for this thorough look into the Passion "translation" - very helpful and informative. You are one of the very best Bible teachers out there and I love all the work you put out.
I know that there are translations that are very inaccurate and watered down. The Passion Translation surpasses all of them when it comes to inaccuracy.
Que Nos More than the NWT???
@@jerardosc9534 Yes!
Jerardo SC most definitely
and the Message
Que Nos Cant see it worse than the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION but havnt read too much of it. May you show some examples of verses or chapters on how its worse than the NWT???
In the Bible God told us not to add or take away from his word. I think this perfectly sums up everything that you guys are talking about in this video.
So blessed & so thankful for you both ! Discernment & true Biblical teaching is so important as this NAR & Bethel movement keeps spreading . We need to keep praying for God to continue to expose the false doctrines & teachers .
My grandad gifted me TPT Bible years ago, it's the first Bible Ive ever had. I finally gave my heart to the Lord 2years ago and so I've been reading it believing this was GODS word. My husband's been a Christian for a long time so I would converse with him about the things I was reading and sometimes he would tell me he didn't think I was reading it correctly or I didn't understand..... Since giving my heart to the Lord Ive been aware that false teachings are out their and I try to do research but I thought TPT would be okay because my grandad gave it to me but my heart is overwhelmed listening to this! The last thing I wanted to do was believe something that isn't true
Thank you guys so much for putting this together! It has helped me and opened up my eyes! God bless all that you do. Keep preaching the real Bible
I have a dear friend that became a woman’s pastor in her local church. They read from this Bible. She didn’t go to theology school or anything. I never knew this about the passion translation! I’m in awe realizing this.
Some of those followers of Simmons are acting like sectarians, getting real angry especially when confronted with Revelation 22,18
Unmask the works of the enemy
YAHUAH bless you brother
This is very true.
Wow, thank you for this.
Proverbs 31:24 -
סדין (sheet) עשתה (made, feminine form) ותמכור (and has/will sell/sold) וחגור (and belt/clothing) נתנה (she gave) לכנעני (to the cannanite)
ESV: She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchant.
KJV: She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Proverbs 31:24
NIV: She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes.
Passion "translation": "Even her works of righteousness she does for the benefit of her enemies"
Seriously?? This cant even pass as a commentery!
Interesting that no other translation mentions that the source text mentions a Cannanite. I can see where TPT is coming from, and it likely does capture the essence of what is being communicated.
I have inly read Ephesians in TPT, and I thought it was a beautiful translation, albeit a very dynamic one as opposed to a literal translation. It expanded on Biblical language that I understand naturally after many years of studying the Bible, language that flies over the heads of people new to the Bible. It seems like a very good introductory translation.
Greek and Hebrew words are very rich, and I get so much out of learning about the source texts, and TPT is longer as it attempts to flesh out the richness of the source text and, as I said, expand upon the language based upon other Biblical context.
I have not personally found a blatant falsehood in the translation. And, I feel that dynamic translations should always be referenced with literal translations.
Thank you for a prime example of translation heresy.
@@Austin1990 You're deluded. How can you ignore the evidence from the post?
@@toomanyhobbies2011 TPT is a very dynamic translation. I found more blatant interpretation issues in this video, blatantly misrepresenting the KJV and NIV translations. But, the commenters are just eating it up like a cult without any thinking of their own. Some of the interpretation strategies employed here would have condemned Jesus’ interpretation of the Old Testament.
Thank You for revealing this. The red flags shall fly! - May The Lord bless you in abundance. Greetings from Western Australia.
Thanks Mike. I just watched that interview yesterday and found it very enlightening. I have seen your other videos on this translation but in this interview you elaborate much more about Brian Simmons credentials and the sectarian view of The Passion translation. This will be very useful for the Body of Christ.
Thank you for doing the interview/making this video. Has opened my eyes to the debate/concern over the TPT being so much more than translation vs paraphrase!
I appreciate this respectful and accurate information about the Passion Translation. I just left my church over their use of this bible, connection to Bethel teachings and this whole Kingdom now theology.
More people need to be aware of this, and teach to have understanding of proper methods and reasons for how Bibles should be translated and why.
I'm glad you stepped up to question all this. Good job Mike!
Mike, we can count on you for good research. Thank you for your work into showing the problems with the Passion translation.
I like how you point out "Jesus wept" isn't truly the shortest verse in the bible ;) I actually researched that myself when we came across the other verse in 1 Thessalonians recently and got me thinking... hmmm let me compare this and Jesus wept in the greek and sure enough, the 1 Thess verse was shorter! By like one or two letters, I don't remember off hand. But I felt like I made this amazing discovery haha
I think it's important for folks to understand that The Passion Bible isn't really a translation in formal understanding. It's not something I would ever refer to. But if we're going to be honest, this "translation" isn't any worse than a lot of sermons that are preached from most pulpits every week. I'd like to see that called out as well.
Wish I had known this much earlier! Can’t believe even 3 years later you version still has this translation on their app and no one has talked about this besides you it seems. Thank you Mike for caring enough to look into this!
Thank you for your diligence and obedience. God bless you, Brother!
Thank you for this video...I actually watched your first one and immediately after...put that book on the shelf! I will admit, I was so drawn to the book, waited patiently for it's delivery...first the size, the color, and how floppy it was...it felt so good in my hand. Then the ease of reading captured me, as well. I had no idea the story behind it until my gut began to turn into a knot, which brought me to YT for some research...which brought me to you and now, you're a daily watch in some form or fashion!
Yeah, that familiar "knot in the gut". Thank God.
I'm on full alert 😄 My church is getting a new senior pastor in a few months and I found a sermon of his where he used The Message (he did say it's a paraphrase). I thought to myself, "don't let it happen again!" 😡😅 Seriously though, I'm on full watchdog mode.
That's the right attitude. If people were as observant as you, this wouldn't be a problem.
As long as he uses it as a paraphrase I would be OK with that. The problem with TPT is that people think that it is a translation.
Good for you. The first warning signs I received before leaving our church was the “don’t ask questions” policy. Open communication is essential. Otherwise you’re being brainwashed into submission. I am happy to be at a solid bible believing church with healthy people skills. I still have trouble asking questions because of the way knowledge was lorded over the congregation, especially the “secret knowledge” only the prophets held. 💔
@@pateunuchity884 {{hugs}} Sounds like a breath of fresh air compared to where you've been. Praise God you're able to trust again and haven't gone astray because of man's evil.
My childhood church was run by a sort of dictator pastor who got involved in all the details of our lives, publically shamed people for not tithing, told the women how to dress (pants were forbidden), and once "in the spirit" called a guy out for being a masturbator from the pulpit in front of everyone 🙈 He harbored a sex offender for years refusing to turn it over to the police or to even tell the guy's wife! He encouraged us to shun friends who switched churches. Needless to say, I got out of there the second I becme an adult and had the worst chip on my shoulder (anger) at Christianity as a whole for about 20 years because of that upbringing. But I'm back, and it means so much more that now it's MY choice, not forced on me. (And it's a healthy church)
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Wow! I almost bought the Passion bible today online because the artwork is gorgeous and I just assumed the translation was arrived at in the usual way. This guy sounds like he’s saying the word of God isn’t quite fancy enough for him?!
Thank You, truth matters! I say this because I could lose a friend or two if I enlighten them with this truth.
So the translation isn't the only thing faulty, though it is indeed faulty, but as is the translation methodology, the single translators theology, and all the presuppositions under girding the whole thing! Got it. In all seriousness though great video brother! Soli Deo Gloria.
God says do not add or take away from His Holy Word!!
Thanks, I never knew. I never have, nor am I ever going to read that translation. You keep me aware.... Thank you, both of you, and God bless... VIDEOE IS SHARED...
The King James, the CJB (the complete Jewish Bible), the Interlinear Hebrew & Greek Bible, the Aramaic Targums, and the Interpretive New Testament are the main study materials I use.
Thank you so much for exposing error. God bless you and your ministry in Jesus Name Amen. 💕🙌💕
As a person of Charismatic religious background I heard his translation of the phrase Tribulation and can only describe it as butchery. What he did was to change the meaning of verses to fit his own beliefs. This is not negativity but a warning
Thank you Mike and Melissa for your wisdom. I had a lot of concerns about this translation when I watched your first critique. I had asked Dr. Brown what his thoughts were. I was disappointed in his lack of concern. I hope he has a chance to do more research and change his position. God Bless you both!
More great work Mr. Winger. You are serving God well. Keep up the good work. Be careful, Stana would love to take you down. Stand fast.
Someone has a vision of an angel and creates a new scripture. Where have we heard this a million times before? These origins alone are enough to make me chuck it in the bin without reading it.
Pastor Brian had a church, Gateway, in New Haven, CT. I have been there quite a few times. Someone gave him land in Maine. He said he felt God wanted him to build a church there. He may have said God told him, but I don't remember the precise wording. It never happened and he gave it to another ministry, eventually. If he heard God incorrectly, how can we be sure he is hearing God on this translation?
Thats insightful
He’s probably demon possessed.
Silver Lining West Haven CT . Originally is was named Faith Christian Church
Why don't you ask God to reveal the truth about this translation if you are his child? Do you need a pastor to do that for you?
There's a difference between 'wept' and 'tears streaming down a face'. Not the same weight. Weeping is from pain of heart break, sounds of deep sorrow VS I watched titanic and tears stream down my face.
That's not how I'd interpret either of those.
@@Statalyzer good to know that you also have a different understanding, don't get the point of your comment but ok.🤷
Thank you so much for this video! Keep speaking out. Love you both.
Wow! I started a bible study on tiktok with this version and let me tell you it does sound better and wonderful but I was following with my Jesus focused bible and it had to much added to each verse I was confused. Sad because lots are being confused and deceived by this translation.
We are warned over and over be not deceived and to guard our hearts ! Thankful for the true Word of God Who is Jesus .
We also all need to pray for this to not be confusing and misleading and discouraging to people who already look down on denominations of faith. Tell everyone in your circle that there are ways to discern if translations are appropriate or not, they don't have to question all the translations because of one guy's forgery. And in this case there are obvious significant foundational flaws in the idea of the translation whereas most of the other ones we have are speculation or very minor issues. I know there are things that have to pass eventually and someday we will complete Revelation and the damned will be sent to hell and the saved will be with God eternally, but while we are still here let's fight as much as we can in love and with knowledge and with communication and not being afraid to speak up when we know something is wrong and stop people from being misled. We can't be closeted Christians anymore, we need to step out into the light and make a difference
Mike, you are one of the few apologists out there that has a heart for the charismatic church without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Please if you havent, consider doing some teaching on John Crowder, the Shack, and that whole Christian Universalism movement. Alot of people I know are getting caught up in that.
Before reading a version, always read the "boring" pages at the front to make sure the Bible IS a translation and that it is translated from original sources by qualified translators.
Can you respond to Rhett and Link’s deconstruction videos?? 🙏
Voto Studios watch Trinity Radio
@@blueorchid5971 can you post a link?
What deconstruction video? What’s it about?
I'd love a deconstruction video.
Good to see you here Grand Master!
I have been warning people from day 1of hearing about the Passion Book . This show about it , is again perfect. Keep warning and educating .
Thankyou!!!! Please keep being His Light!!! The truth says free...
keep up the good work...we have so much feely-good-to-the-exclusion-of just plain TRUTH in God's Word today...
I was in a word of faith church around 2020-2021 and fell hook line and sinker for a while. Truly God was with me because as I kept on I began to see the difference in what they taught and what The Bible says. And I never felt ok with TPT. I should have looked this up back then! Thankfully I realized they were teaching a false doctrine anyway and left. Always study your pastors sermons on your own. And ESPECIALLY if they use only part of a verse or even just one verse, read the full chapter to discern the context and find correlating scriptures because there always are. Be well, friends.
Mike can you pleaseeee do a video on sozo? I find that every other christian channel i have watched really have no idea about bethel and nit pick sensationalist examples. My christian circles are heavily involved in such teaching. Youre such a great resource, thank you! God bless.
I’m grateful for the time you took to break down the concerns with TPT and giving some context for how it came about. I watched a video from another channel asking if TPT was heresy and just left feeling like the issue at hand was never truly addressed. If this is as serious as an issue we think it is ( which I’m in that camp,) we need to really examine it.
This is important work you guys do, thank you. I had no idea
Pastor @MikeWinger, Thank you for keeping comments open. Some of us get some side-blessings from reading comments from your knowledgeable and Godly followers. ☺️
Excellent video. Keep sharing this.
Great video you two. This is the type of information people, especially on TH-cam, need to hear. Most the TH-camrs are not highly educated on scripture and can be easily mislead. Most are new or haven’t been trained properly and the passion bible could easily sound correct. So again, thank you so much for doing this video.
God bless both of you
The mormons also say we can become God's
This is really becoming a problem with a couple people in our Bible study. I am thinking of sending this to them. My red flags went up purely because it was sooo much extra, then I started looking into it.
Even though I have been to seminary and know enough Hebrew and Greek that I could make a translation (though it would take FOREVER), I wouldn't even use my translation. Every person has their own biases, and committees can usually negate those biases. The most well-known example being the RSV which had a Unitarian on the committee who was skilled in the languages but rejected the deity of Jesus. Yet, the RSV, contrary to what KJV-onlyists will say, does not reject the deity of Jesus. No one person's hobby horse is going to become a major part of the translation if it is done by a committee.
Thank you for this wise explanation. It makes sense from a statistics point of view..
Thank you so very much for all the information you share in this video. I truly learned so much . I honestly used TPT as a cross reference tool . Yet after listening to everything you two had to say . I truly believe, I will never use as a cross reference ever again.
Again thank you so much
Thanks for the information. I have been reading TPT in my devotions. I kept stopping and questioning what I was reading, and I decided to find more out. I am sad about this.
Revelation 22:18-19 'For I testify to every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.'
The most striking thing I'm picking up, is that the 'translator' has not been straitened / disciplined by the word of God which we already have in both testaments, including Who the Holy Spirit is, and what His role is, according to Jesus, which is why the suggestion that 'Jesus' gave him new revelation is such a plausible device.
I recently went to a Bible study, and immediately felt very strange. The man leading the group said that we should not use the word God, Lord, or Jesus. He said we should only use Yeshua and Yahweh. It was very strange and I’ve never heard of that… We sang for 45 minutes and worshiped. Afterwards, we read a passage from 3 John, and I noticed that the guy leading it was using the passion translation. I am newer in my Faith and I’ve never heard of this translation before. I looked it up and compared it to my NIV and ESV Bible and I was astounded. Later on the wife of the man leading the group said that they don’t really read the Bible much, they just follow the spirit and then it all clicked.
Remember to consider the Pharisees who were the greatest scholars in the day. but the hidden secrets of God werent given to them but were given to the men considered to be unskilled. Im not saying that the tpt is right or wrong so 🤷🏽♂️
Watching this video I remembered that I bought a beautiful Illustrated Journaling Edition "The Psalms Poetry on Fire" (I opened it up and it says, translated from the Hebrew Text, DR BRIAN SIMMONS). I LOVED this book and have sticky notes marking favorite pages. I have used it to send additional passages/verses in greeting cards that I send out. And I had considered buying multiple copies to give out as gifts. 😞
THANK you for this video. 🙏
Mike, I would like to get your permission to share this video on my Bible review channel...how do I go about getting your approval so that people looking for Bible reviews can see this on a channel that only does Bible reviews. I have about 3,500 subscribers at the moment and I think it would be helpful for them to see this...I love the work you’re doing and have been subscribed to your channel for a few years now and it is awesome to see the growth that you have had.
You have my permission. :)
I really enjoy watching your reviews and thank you that you will warn your subscribers about this. Thank you Bible Believing Christian ❤️
Mike Winger thank you so much! I greatly appreciate it.
@@MikeWinger"i bestowith my permission upon thee" 😂
“The bad theology that Satan wants us to believe is gonna be so wonderful and heart warming not mwahahahaha (evil laugh)”
That’s so true, he’s gonna tickle everyone’s ears and fool them who don’t have the Truth
Thank you both so very much!
I checked out the passion for Psalms 23 and compared it with the niv. It read Like the message Bible which is another hot mess. Both of these books need to become firestarter. Literally!
Thank you for sharing!
God bless you!
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She answered her own question “playing the devils advocate” that exactly it
Hey Pastor Mike. Would you please make a video on the Message Translation? Recently there has been a lot of controversy around it after Eugene H. Peterson affirmed homosexuality. And also when I researched more on it, I found some verses in the MSG bended from what they originally say in other much reliable translations. See for yourself by comparing the ESV and the MSG verses: 1 Timothy 1:8-11, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Romans 1:26-27. Your videos can reach large audiences and help new believers.
Studying God's word, and getting the correct meaning out of it, without impinging your OWN theology into it, is hard enough. Having people translate with their OWN theology front and centre is just infuriating. How dare people play with God's word like that.
Excellent exposé. Well-meaning Christians sometimes play fast and loose with God's doctrines and truth.
I've asked this of Bethel on how they would handle the life of Joni Erikson Tada. Is she "missing" God's plan for her healing? Is it possible her healing will not come on this side of eternity because it is NOT thwarting God's purpose in her life? I love to see God heal, but understand GOD will use my life and everything in it for His purposes, even if I do not get all my desires.
It's possible he did have a vision or visit from an angel. However, if he did, it was a demonic visitation.
I know these people and they make up encounters... the devil was someplace else.. I have personal experience with a ministry in Maricopa AZ which supports this man. They make up stuff to gather followers
@@markscott4830 my only point was that it wasn't God speaking to him. That's all. Maybe he had an encounter, maybe he made it up. It really doesn't matter which way, it's not of God. That was my only point.
I’m a KJV reader. I came across this “Bible”at a used book store. I opened it and read a little and it was an immediate nope for me. I got a bad feeling from it. Well now I know why.
I was questioning a scripture someone posted on FaceBook because it had so many extra words. It was even more verbose than the Passion translation. I posted just the NASB verse to illustrate, without saying a word, the contrast. The person who posted it made a comment. As I was praying about how to respond, I realized that the many words in the very wordy scripture limited what God was able to say in that verse by fewer, simple, words. Yes, the detailed words were correct, but they were not all that God could say in the scripture through His divine precisely inspired words.
Amen
Yes… this is what happens! When God said.” Jesus wept.” It allows for SO much! But when we translate it away so specifically to someone else’s interpretation - or even maybe what they feel they got from Holy Spirit- too many words and pidgeonholes the various ways Holy Spirit can reach us.
The SDA “Clear Word” (Bible) is even worse. They loaded it with details from Ellen White’s fake visions and all sorts of abberant theology. They’ve tried to back-peddle it and say that’s just for devotional purpose, but the fact that someone felt compelled to rewrite the Bible to make it conform to their false prophet and doctrines is grotesque.
I felt the same way about the “Clear Word” when I was in that church. I warned acquaintances that if they brought one into my house, I would set it on fire with my cooking lighter. I’d reimburse them, but first I’d burn it. I was totally serious.
What about Eugene Peterson being sole translator of The Message? Has he been vetted also, and what’s your take on his translation?
The Message is not a translation it is a paraphrase. He just rewrote the English scripture in his own words. It might be a useful tool to get a different perspective on a specific passage, but it shouldn't be treated as a scholarly translation of scripture from manuscripts.
I so appreciate this heads up. I am still trying to get the kundalini spirit stuff down. But I also believe I read in God's Word that we aren't to mention the names of the enemy; it tends to give praise to them rather than God.
All of the angels whose names are mentioned in either the bible or rabbinic literature that I am aware of have names that end in ya or el. perhaps in a couple rare cases, that syllable is not quite at the end, but always in there. If the angel's name is "passion" even if that were a translation of the name, it would not match the pattern that we see.
I just noticed the Passion Translation of Luke 4:18 is the only translation in support of the Bethel misunderstanding of "the anointing" .. interesting.
Passion Translation says " “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, and he has anointed me to be hope[a] for the poor, freedom for the brokenhearted, and new eye"
Whereas most translations indicate that the Spirit was presently upon him BECAUSE he was anointed (as at his baptism in the Jordon) e.g.. ESV "The Spirit of the Lord (B)is upon me, because he has anointed m eto (C)proclaim good news to the poor."
Changing the "because " into an "and" and so equating the anointing with the Spirit being upon a person at a particular time or going to a preacher to get an anointing.
It looks deliberate.
As I grew more in faith and become a bit older, I have found myself preferring and essentially only reading the Textus Receptus Bibles (like the King James and New King James versions). The others aren't horrible. But for some reason I just tend to stick to the textus receptus versions.
The Passion version though seems disastrous.
Thx Mike, your intro regarding Brian Simmons is enough. He's got special revelation and all the rest?????? Last days deception like never before. What about the Message txlation by Eugene Petersen?
IIRC he at least knows Greek and Hebrew. That doesn't excuse what he did, calling a paraphrase a translation.
Ive listened to Brian Simmons talking and I see the new age
Great review! Thanks for doing the homework.
I received a Passion Translation Bible as a gift. Of course I like it then I became concerned with some of the added sentences in some verses. You guys nailed it. Im headed back to the NIV and NKJ