Girsan has nothing to do with that red dot, it's EAA that sticks that on certain models as a way to charge $200 extra. EAA also likes to keep one of the two magazines that Girsan ships with and only give customers one instead. Most of the time EAA doesn't even announce or promote whenever they have a new model coming out. Girsan deserves better. Hopefully there's a more competent importer who wants to partner with them in the near future.
I have chatted with an owner who said EAA customer service was terrible. Inhave the Girsan Match version which I habe yet to fire but the fiber optic coming loose is apparently common. He never spoke to how the gun shoots. How does one review a forearm and not mention that?😊
I've learned from experience that EAA is a pretty trash importer. They get their hands on great guns, sell them and offer little support/parts. They'll probably stop importing this one in a year.
I replaced the original fiber-optic rod with a green one. It is a .060" that you need. Yes, the trigger is AWFUL out of the box BUT, if you run a couple of thousand rounds through it, you WILL (!!!) be AMAZED at how much better it gets!!! A Streamlight TLR-1 HL WILL fit the rail; you *must* use the S&W TSW/99 key. Give the gun a chance. 👍
I have the same exact gun. Have not yet fired. But, reviews and feedback from owners state the same. One reputable reviewer said the trigger got better after 200 or 300 rounds. He stated that he generally has not had that experience with most guns even when other swear it is so. Also suggested to heat the ends of the fiber optic so they don't fall out. I have a suggestion given to me regarding a trigger job. Owner said it was amazing. Curious if you feel the green is a better color for sighting?
I have the MC P35 Match, Non OPS, No rail. My fiber optic insert fell out at about 200 rounds. Not that difficult to replace. In fact, I carry spares just in case it happens again. I absolutely love mine! Shoots great, feels great in my hand, just a solid piece. Probably going to get the new shorter PI version when it's available.
Have the TISAS and Girsan Hi-power clones. Both function well. My take on Turkish firearms-most pistols coming out of Turkey are very well made and are of incredible value, the Canik line is proof of this-but Turkish made rifles and shotguns have a lot to be desired.
I grabbed an Escort slugger 12 gauge pump for $200 because I figured why not and it’s been pretty solid with no issues. Though it is the only Turkish shotgun I’ve shot
Hates on Turkish shotguns not cycling 1250fps or slower 12ga loads.... Without having an example to point at that actually can. Saiga. Ar conversion uppers. Any semi-auto mag fed shotgun will have issues cycling low speed rounds, and tuned this can be mitigated. It's dummy hate for dummies and a couple smarties that want the price driven ever-lower on clearance guns in an effort to stock up. All mag auto shotties have this issue regardless of Russian or American or Turkish origin. It's a false notion.
I've had good luck with a Tri-Star side by side 12 gauge and with a VR80 12 gauge semi-auto although I did need to get a missing O ring for the VR80 and break it in w/100 -150 1400+ fps rounds.
The price of admission for Girsan's out-of-box custom features vs sourcing an OG Hi Power (or vanilla clone) and sending it in to get the same amount of custom features is what sold me on the MCP35 Match. I expected I'd still have to send it in for a trigger job and I likely will, but at least I won't have to shell out for the beaver tail, flared mag well, custom controls, and high undercut job. ...although I MAY consider swapping sights after seeing this video. Appreciate the coverage!
I have the non Optic MCP35 and love it. I would have loved to have gotten the Optic one but it wasn't out at the time. I paid less than $600.00 for the non Optic and find it well worth the money. It's a tack driver and so far has done well with no issues. The trigger is nice smooth with a clean break. People that have been in competition shooting sports know the fiber optic don't last long when used a lot so for me it's no big deal, I wouldn't like it if it fell off in less than a 100 rounds.
@@arlissyoung8899 I got the Commiefornia model, and it includes a set up thats optics ready, a Match barrel, and Novak style sights, though the rear sights are integral to the removable optic panel. It does not have the beaver tail or a bevelled magazine well, and it does have a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect which due to typical California nonsense, requires that I remove the entire trigger assembly to remove it, instead of just the pin on the trigger as in normal Hi Powers.
I have the "basic" P35 from Girsan. other than changing the grips for reproduction German wood ones, mine is stock. I am quite happy with it. I think much like with Tisas, once you wander off into the "custom" realm it gets disappointing. I wanted a Hi Power for plinking, and since I am not interested enough to shell out $1200+ for a Browning- I was happy with the $500 I spent to get "the feel". Mine runs great and shoots as well as I can.
I bought the Tisas in SS when they were still being imported. I put every available C&S part on the gun. Billet extractor, sear, ext safety, rounded trigger, pulled the mag safety, extended slide stop, no bite hammer, all new springs, g10 grips, hogue stainless grip screws, finished it off with a threaded bbl ( which required substantial fitting.) The only stainless version of the BHP -ever to exist- except for very limited Baford Arms (long gone). The Belgies never made one in SS, they only capitulated to the SS. 😂
@@tylerwilliams6022 now, a heavily sprung, alloy framed 3.8" carry model would be titties. Big, firm ones. ❤ I have a Star PD that was wild and unpleasant until I put a heavier spring in it. Now its a pussycat.
FEG made a stainless copy Hi-Power. FN made the silver/chrome model, two different runs. One made in Belgium around 1984, one made in Belgium assembled in Portugal in very early 90's. There were very small differences between them.
Shot over 300 rounds through my Ops with no issues. Has iron sights with hi viz from that IMO doesn’t need a "TV" to shoot accurately, which it does. Had 2 gransons, daughter and son-in-law shoot it; it's now their favorite.
My first gun was the original Belgian hi power, no other gun has fit my hand better. I like to get a Girsan to use that more and keep the original in the safe.
I was at a gun store today and they had one on clearance for 533 and I bought it and honestly for 533 damn good 855 not so good. I purchased this one with without the red dot
I have a Browning HiPower 40 converted to 357 Sig. It is setup for cocked and lock carry with positive detent ambi safety with Novak sights. I've decided I will get the beavertail mod. Even with the C&S no bite hammer, the hilt of the grip chafes the web of my hand slightly. It's a good platform with the right mods.
You have a very desirable gun. The .40 S&W has a heavier slide and stronger frame than the 9 mm. Novak used to use the .40 as a basis for their beautiful custom Hi Powers. The beaver tail was an option. Too bad they no longer customize guns. Love my Novak Para Ordnance P-13 Custom! Cylinder and Slide will put a beaver tail on for you. Plus lots of other cool mods and parts. I put their larger thumb safeties plus sears and trigger on also Cheers
I am glad companies make new guns for the new gun owners that are coming along. For me at 74 yrs old I have all the pistols I will ever need. My favorite is my Taurus PT99 AF 9x19. It is a quality firearm. I read the Beretta PT99 FS has a plastic guide rod where as my PT99 AF has a stainless still one. I also have a Harrison and Richardson 9 shot 22 revolver I have had for over 50 years. I have a 32 Beretta Tomcat, a 38 charter arms revolver and an M&P 380 Bodyguard as my EDC. I don't think I will ever need another pistol. Still I am glad companies continue to innovate new stuff.
Oh my freaking Lord I've wanted a black on black Nighthawk Custom Hi-Power since forever. They really are freaking gorgeous. When Springfield and FN announced they were making Hi-Powers again, I remember wondering if Nighthawk was going to jump on that. I've always loved the lettering(that small, all uppercase lettering that is reminiscent of old Colt(and other I presume) 1911s) the Browning guns had as well. As cool as they are though, I just can't justify spending that much on a Hi Power, even if it is from Nighthawk.
I have the exact same gun without the Red Dot. No issues at all and it functions as it should. You can save yourself the "Hot Mess" by losing the over priced red dot. Problem solved. Why do people continue to buy HP's or HP clones and continue to complain about the trigger. If you are a gun guru, you knew that going in. Just give it rest and shoot it.
I have a MkIII Safe Queen that I bought new in the 90's, it was not expensive when I bought it. I still shoot it here and there, I've taught people to shoot a semi-auto with that gun. It's my ace in the hole if anyone wants to test my pistol accuracy. I love the trigger, I shot for a guard license (CA) with it. Blew the 10 and 9 rings clean out. I had 1 flyer, that was because the tester in an attempt to rattle me had me shoot a mag one hand offhand. My left index finger is not used to picking up the slack and leaving the trigger resting on the potato chip so my second round hit paper, everything else into the gaping hole. To me it's a sweet shooter, never once thought of carrying one. Could work I suppose, I think I could conceal it AIWB pretty easy. I'd have to work up to it, I've never carried anything with a safety or an external hammer.
I got rid of my SA-35. I couldn’t get that thing to run at all. Left a bad taste in my mouth for SA. I’d love to try some others. Having a HiPower or clone would be nice.
I have a Springfield SA35 at Mk3 to have many of the features that this Pistol comes with. Thus I bought one to keep me busy while the SA is off being modified. I shot it and its all fine from the box. I checked my front fiber and it was a tad loose so a small dab of super glue solved that. I polished the trigger a bit and that improved things. I decided to add a BH solutions match barrel with crown and it was a drop in fit without issues. Have not shot it yet with the BH barrel but will do so soon. My local shop ordered in for me without issue at end of February. Oh, and a mini Olight fits beautifully on the rail. Cheers fellas!
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to buy the Girsan MPC35 PI LW Match which has the aluminum frame and not the OPS version as you have noted in your review that the rail is useless. Thanks again.
I have the adjustable rear sight version my front fiber rod was loose as was the rear sight. I fixed them and I love the gun. I also don’t have the light Mount. It’s a gun I’m happy with for $675.00 out the door
BH Spring solutions has done some testing of these, and most of the early problems have been ironed out. They actually had fewer issues early on than the Springfields. I just bought an Ops model I’m going to send it to MK3 Firearms for a trigger job, optic cut, and threaded barrel
Still looking for an SA-35. When I do it will get Novak sights installed and the extractor replaced. Along with a C&S ring hammer and thumb safety. Also on the list would be to have MK3 do one of their awesome trigger jobs. Unsure as to keeping the stock trigger pad or going flat faced. May just split the baby and do a Garthwaite style trigger.
@@tylerwilliams6022 Bud's has them. I just had a friend buy a new one and after trying multiple different types of ammo, it would not group. He is in the process of trading it off and he hasn't even owned it for more than 2 weeks.
@@tylerwilliams6022 croatian springfield isn't the best manufacturer of quality guns. They got a neat name by purchasing it way back. garand thumb did a vid on the sa 35 for infamously jamming everytime once you got past the 800 round mark
I lost my front, fiber optic insert on my first range trip too. EAA were absolute jerks bout sending me a replacement. I believe Honest Outlaw had the same problem with his front insert as well. Maybe they should spend a second checking on that before shipping them out.
In my experience EAA are absolute jerks about everything. You caused the front sight fiber optic to fall out by actually shooting your gun, and you expect them to fix it? The nerve of some people…. Remember when everyone needed a Witness 10mm but some models cracked the slide and frame on a regular basis with standard pressure rounds? EAA were total dickheads about it. Luckily Tanfoglio was awesome about getting those back into service. On a serious note, did the fiber optic tube have any indication it would be fragile before you shot it? Was the “balled up”portion melted at the front or the rear was too small for the opening in the sight? Was the replacement fiber optic filament a good fit to the sight? Some filaments are very brittle and if its undersized the shock of firing tends to break them. I’ve replaced enough FO filament that I had a whole box with nothing but different colors and sizes. The filament sold by Dawson Precision isn’t the cheapest but it is flexible. Bullseye out of New Hampshire is pretty good too and supposedly US made. Using a tapered Diamond needle file to minutely break the sharp edge of fiber optic tunnel in the sight can help too, since the sharp edges can act as stress risers break the filament.
I spent $600 for the non red dot version. The problem with the loss of fiber optic lies in the fiber optic itself. Mine worked its way out of the gun in shipping before I could even shoot it. I replaced it with the included fiber optic green and red and they all broke after a mag or 2. After replacing with a spare fiber optic that came with one of my Caniks its never come loose. And yea the trigger is doodoo.
I don't know, I must have the only unmodified BHP with an out of the box awesome trigger. It's a Belgian made MKII that I bought decades ago back at Navy Arms in NJ. In fact it was Val Forgett who took it out of the case and showed it to me. He was trying to push me that day toward a SIG 225 police trade in, but I was a young man who until then bought second hand and wanted to buy my first brand new pistol. Over 40 years later I still have that gun. Even with the magazine disconnect the trigger still breaks like a Canik or Walther PPQ. One day I will pass it on to my son.
No detent on the thumb safety? Sure there is. There's no separate plunger tube; the spring and plunger fit in a hole in the frame. The BH Spring Solutions replacement spring sharpens the safety action a bit.
If you have problems finding a new fibre element , Red monofilament large diameter .6 .65 .7mm .8mm depending on the diameter required are all available from local tackle shops and work pretty well, just warm the end into a blob with a soldering iron and push the unburned end through the slot then cut of the excess and heat that down to a size that holds it securely in the sight . It worked fine on My air rifle so it should work ok on powder burners too .
I own a Match - no rail and no red dot, and an adjustable rear sight. Pros: with premium ammo like Underwood precision is *very* good. I get 1" groups at 20 yards hand held. With common range ammo it's no better than my G19. Cons: the fiber fell out, just like it did for Tim. But it's a 5 minute repair that cost a penny. Also, since everybody loves an undercut on the trigger guard - a misguided idea at best - the gun has one, and it cuts into a knuckle on the middle finger. The trigger reset is a non-issue. In live fire you don't wait to hear or feel that click, there's way too much going on in the 0.18 of a second between pairs already. It matters that the reset isn't too long, but how tactile it is is irrelevant.
Somewhat misleading in that the front fiber optic inserts commonly fall out and it takes about one minute to replace them. The replacement inserts are generally available in gun stores or sometimes extras come with the gun. I don’t own one of these but rather than discourage new (inexperienced) buyers by calling the sights a “hot mess”, just say how easy they are to replace
Tisas and Grisan do make some nice products. When I was younger, I really wanted a hi power, then I shot one finnally. Wasn't impressed. I didn't hate it just was disappointed. Then i shot a CZ 75b. Well that really impressed me. But i digress. I would own a hi power, But never carry one. Again still a fine gun just not for me. Would like to see Nighthawk's version but I'd rather spend that money on one their 1911's.
I got mine minus the red dot for $579 which I thought was a good deal. Honestly if I knew before I bought it that they made the version with the beavertail and no rail I would have gone that route instead.
I spent so much time waiting for the problems to be ironed out with Girsan's tactical version of the Hi Power, I went off and bought a CZ-75 instead. It's double and single action, feels very similar to the Hi Power, and can even be outfitted with wooden grips to almost mimic a Hi Power. If they went with cuts for an optic and a threaded barrel option, the waiting would've been worth it. At least they did away with the magazine disconnect though, that's one of my biggest issues with the Hi Power design.
Yes the cz is the modernized version of the hi power and is better in every way. The only weak point is that cz has a poorly designed firing pin that breaks. But it can be fixed with aftermarket firing pins from Cajun. The double action option on the cz specifically changes it to being able to conceal carry well.
the CZ is a single double action it not like other if you look careful they added a decocker that only brings it to a type of half cock I know I owned one but you right its the BHP upgrade@@jason200912
I have been looking for one for years especially a military GP 35. I found one during the Panama Invasion and got confiscated by the MPs of 18th Airborne Corps. Those Rat Bastards!!! I still hate the MPs till this day!!! I am saving up to get the Springfield Armory SA 35. One day I will have my dream come true along with a British canvas holster and and canvas double mag pouch like how I discovered it at a Panama Defense Forces desk with a stack of porno magazines and a bottle of rum in a desk drawer.
Great review as always. Trigger bums me out . Front sight could happen on any gun . Just a plastic rod easy fix. Olight would probably work but I did have one fly off my gun first time I tried it.
Not only did I lose the front sight fiber optic strand, but also the gun front sight kept moving to the left. I centered it & put red locker & still moved after 100 rounds.
The price is reasonable just by virtue of having the beavertail. That's a pretty expensive thing to have added on by a custom shop. YMMV but for 1911's and Hi Powers, unless they are from a custom shop like Wilson or Nighthawk, I always expect to do a bit of tinkering or parts swapping. For me, I'd put a better trigger in there, or maybe just an EGW hard sear at first to see how much that helps. Also, I'm not sure what most people's opinion is on Olight but I have their Valkyrie Mini on a few small guns that don't have as much rail space up front and that would work great with this. The fiber optic falling out is a nothing burger. They are ridiculously easy to replace. You just get a fiber optic rod (from Dawson or Brownells/Midway) and use a lighter to melt the end into a little bulb, then insert it from back to front and trim it with about 1/16 sticking out of the front. Hit that end with the lighter to melt it into a bulb and it's locked in. I like doing my own anyway because I can hold the lighter on there just a bit longer and get a bigger bulb on the back end which basically make the "dot" bigger and quicker to pick up.
Great review. I'm surprised your magazine pops out so well though. The ones I've looked at don't eject more than an inch and the mag has to be pulled out. That being said, I do respect Girsan to a high degree in this low-budget clone market. I have the Beretta Girsan (Girsan Regard) and it works great. Never jammed, no issues whatsoever. I'd rate this company well above Taurus. As for their shortcomings, I'd blame Erdoğan, lol.
These hi powers are amazing are bh springs found that they're far better made than the Springfield's. The only problem with girsan is that their barrel locking systems lock on the low left and messed up the iron sights poi. One other thing is that a center punch spring tool is required to punch out the trigger pins from right side to left side of frame. Their pins are so stiff that a punch is not enough to hit it out.
The FN HP I bought in the early 1990s has exactly the same safety setup as this Girsan, and probably the same finish. The one my stepmother had, made in the 1970s, had a shiny blue finish, and had a safety lever on the left side of the frame only, which looked exactly like the one on the Tisas shown for comparison. I like the HP much more than you do, but I don't want the one in this video. Looks like I get to pay a premium over other Turkish HP clones for features that either don't hold up, or don't work.
Cylinder & Slide has the parts needed for the trigger pull and I really like their ambidextrous thumb safeties. I have a Tisas Hi Power version and after installing these parts it is a lot better! The safety is more positive. And I use a holster that has a strap between the hammer and frame. As for a Red Dot, I would just like a popular red dot cut. For me the Rare CZ75 SAO is the answer for me. The CZ SP-01s are nice but the rail makes it heavier. 🍻 Cheers
The Girsan Regard (Beretta 92 clone) is pretty awesome. Paid $325 new (They have gone up since then) Better I think than the 92 I used to own. I would not pay $800 for that one.
it depends were you are in my area they have not gone up much the girsans are a better deal saw the 92 version of the beretta preformance model 526 wow beat paying 1500 or more for a beretta PS I own 2
I just want Springfield to make one with a beavertail that doesn’t look like hot garbage. Something along the lines of Jim Garthwaite, Robar, or Wilson Combat (yes, they used to customize Hi Powers!) beavertail, as opposed to some weird nearly straight spike sticking out behind the frame. Even the nighthawk one is a little wonky. I’ll gladly let them scan my Ted Yost Heirloom Precision Hi Power to get an idea of what a proportionally flattering beavertail looks like. Or the hi ride thumb safety that was custom made to approximately the feel and positive detent by llike a 1911.
850 WHOW I GOT MY MC35 OPS FOR 550 OUT THE DOOR BUT MY GUN SHOP OWNER HAS KNOW ME FOR DECADES ... MY OPS HAD BEEN ROAD HARD PUT AWAY WET AND STILL SHOOTS FINE GREAT IN FACT ....
My BHP was made in Belgium in1986 and I love it, was 325$ private sale purchase 10 years ago and has been a great investment and tool for my life. I carry it quite a bit. Yeah that mag safety is really annoying more than anything people often get confused about it when they pull the hammer back without the mag and can’t get it back down lol. I like the classics and for 800$ I’m ruling NAH/Ney ..pass
In the early to mid-90's, the Hi Power was still considered a popular choice in a carry gun. The first thing we did back then when we got a Hi Power was to take out that magazine safety, especially because that materially improved the factory trigger pull. I think if I were going to spend $800 on one today, I'd probably buy the Springfield Armory, since it has modern improvements that we used to have to pay for after purchase, and getting service on it from a US company is probably going to be easier.
I still like 1911s best. Not sure I would carry one. I like everything about them except for the extractor. Under stress I think I would break it. Hi Powers are pretty sexy too.
Had the Girsan standard Hi-Power clone. It was terrible! Just got an older Browning Hi-Power that I happened to find at my LGS for under a grand. Waiting for a Springfield SA-35, but would be willing to give the tac ops a try.
I have the Girsan and reviewed it, but its the base model without the optics cut. I had to remove the magazine disconnect safety myself which really improved the trigger feel... Seems reliable so far and its a good shooter, but I agree, its not a carry gun.
@@bernardconeghen Agreed. It could be carried, anything can I guess, but its hardly ideal in today's world when you can get the same capacity at half the size and weight...
I've had a few of these already. I've found the safety detent to be WAY more positively detented than the traditional Hi-Power safety. The Girsan Detective and standard, non-beavertail, versions have standard triggers with the magazine disconnect safety. They suck, like most Hi-Powers. The OPS and Match are MUCH BETTER on every one I've had. I like the frontstrap flare but if you have large hands you might not. I have quite a few Hi-Powers personally and my Girsan Match is my favorite. (Adjustable rear sight, not with a DOT). I have three of the aluminum Austrian Border Police FN pistols, one with an FM Argentine Detective slide which I have carried quite a bit. (Customized) I WISH there was an aluminum frame with beavertail!!!!!!!!! None of the Girsans I have sold has had the front fiber optic fall out BUT you can get replacement F.O. "sticks" at Brownells. HOWEVER, why does the DOT version even have a front sight, there's NO rear sight?!?!?!?! MY BIGGEST complaint is that there is too much gap between the top of the grip and the bottom of the safety. The trigger reset on HPs DOES suck BUT the pull on the MATCH and OPS is NOT that bad, easily cleaned up by a competent gunsmith as well.
You're not alone in having your fiber optic insert being shucked, just dropped a video on my channel of my review of these fun lil' guns, mine shed it's optic insert in less than 5 magazines. Have to say I fully expected it to go missing, just not that fast! lol Great video pard, keep em coming!
I would'nt have made a big deal about the FO piece falling out of the front sight. No biggie. About 15 cents to replace. Which anyone knows it always fall out.
I DID NOT GET THE OPS WITH THE RED DOT AND I MADE SURE BEFORE FIRING MY FRONT RED SITGHT WOULD STAY PUT WITH A LIGHTER AND FLAT OF STEEL I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WITH A HIGH POWER TYRIGGER ... I LIKE MINE SO JUST OPT FOR THE OPS AND MY CHEAP PROTECK FLASH LIGHT WORK OUT JUST FINE ,,,,....
I have the iron sight OPS. Out of the box, the trigger was over 6 pounds. I've gotten it down to 4 1/2 pounds. The rear sight blade was rubbing against the rear cut of the slide preventing proper movement L-R and U-D. I used a diamond file to remove material from the lower part of the blade and freed things up. Most disappointing about the OPS is accuracy. I suppose it's "combat" accurate but even that is questionable. With any handgun I expect to hit an 8 inch steel plate at 25 yards 90% of the time. With the OPS it's more like 70% and that's just not good enough. I'm going to work with loads to see if I can improve it but I'm not confidant that it will.
I don't know why every gun tuber misrepresents the Hi Power safety by showing off something ancient and claiming that it's standard. The ambi safety on the Girsan, right down to the levers, is a copy of the ambi safety that came out on the Mk II in the early 80s. My Mk III's model name is literally the _Standard_ - ambi safety, deep blue, adjustable rear sights, walnut stocks, made in 1989. I'm the original owner, there's no confusion about how it was originally configured. The ambi safety was standard for basically 40 years until production ended. Kind of silly to claim that a new pistol copying what was already done for decades is somehow some big, wonderful improvement. 🤦🏻♂️
I have the same one with no optic cut. Mine has been absolutely awful! I need to send it back. My high vis sight didn't fall out. The WHOLE front sight fell out after about 50rds. It just worked it's way out. Idk how they'll fix it without just replacing the gun.
@@larryweeks2831 yea I sent it back and they did fix it. Now the gun has ran flawlessly since. Said it was an extractor issue with the jams and I'm assuming they put a new sight in. Fingers crossed it continues to run like so many I've seen.
I bet that the OLight PL-2 Mini would work on that rail, since the light body can adjust forward and aft on the portion that actually does the clamping on the rail.
I just got the same pistol sans the red dot. I hope my front sight insert doesn't fly off. I'm surprised the trigger is lousy. I removed the magazine safety from one of my original Hi Powers and it greatly improved the trigger pull. I was hoping for the same effect in the Girsan.
The firearm in that configuration is really disappointing. Thank you for the honest review, while it is possible I might purchase the Girsan, certainly not that "enhanced" model.
Seems like a good candidate for something like the new Ruger ReadyDot (assuming it turns out not to suck), seeing how the optic effectively replaces the rear site.
Girsan has nothing to do with that red dot, it's EAA that sticks that on certain models as a way to charge $200 extra. EAA also likes to keep one of the two magazines that Girsan ships with and only give customers one instead.
Most of the time EAA doesn't even announce or promote whenever they have a new model coming out. Girsan deserves better. Hopefully there's a more competent importer who wants to partner with them in the near future.
@Kevin Allies was it the ops version?
Yup..I wonder why my case has a cut out for a second magazine but there is only on in the gun
I have chatted with an owner who said EAA customer service was terrible. Inhave the Girsan Match version which I habe yet to fire but the fiber optic coming loose is apparently common.
He never spoke to how the gun shoots.
How does one review a forearm and not mention that?😊
I've learned from experience that EAA is a pretty trash importer. They get their hands on great guns, sell them and offer little support/parts. They'll probably stop importing this one in a year.
Truth to all you say about EAA.
I replaced the original fiber-optic rod with a green one. It is a .060" that you need.
Yes, the trigger is AWFUL out of the box BUT, if you run a couple of thousand rounds through it, you WILL (!!!) be AMAZED at how much better it gets!!!
A Streamlight TLR-1 HL WILL fit the rail; you *must* use the S&W TSW/99 key.
Give the gun a chance. 👍
I have the same exact gun. Have not yet fired. But, reviews and feedback from owners state the same. One reputable reviewer said the trigger got better after 200 or 300 rounds. He stated that he generally has not had that experience with most guns even when other swear it is so.
Also suggested to heat the ends of the fiber optic so they don't fall out.
I have a suggestion given to me regarding a trigger job. Owner said it was amazing.
Curious if you feel the green is a better color for sighting?
@@leelazarus5529 Yes, the green one has been much better for me.
Got a Tisas 1911 B9R 5 inch. Grabbing the Girsan MCP35 Ops, Regard, MAC 9 DS (Tisas' bull barreled 2011 clone) & their Benelli M4 clone ( MAC 1014 Tactical). Good Turkish guns deserves recognition.
I have the MC P35 Match, Non OPS, No rail. My fiber optic insert fell out at about 200 rounds. Not that difficult to replace. In fact, I carry spares just in case it happens again.
I absolutely love mine! Shoots great, feels great in my hand, just a solid piece.
Probably going to get the new shorter PI version when it's available.
Have the TISAS and Girsan Hi-power clones. Both function well. My take on Turkish firearms-most pistols coming out of Turkey are very well made and are of incredible value, the Canik line is proof of this-but Turkish made rifles and shotguns have a lot to be desired.
I grabbed an Escort slugger 12 gauge pump for $200 because I figured why not and it’s been pretty solid with no issues. Though it is the only Turkish shotgun I’ve shot
Hates on Turkish shotguns not cycling 1250fps or slower 12ga loads.... Without having an example to point at that actually can. Saiga. Ar conversion uppers. Any semi-auto mag fed shotgun will have issues cycling low speed rounds, and tuned this can be mitigated. It's dummy hate for dummies and a couple smarties that want the price driven ever-lower on clearance guns in an effort to stock up.
All mag auto shotties have this issue regardless of Russian or American or Turkish origin. It's a false notion.
I've had good luck with a Tri-Star side by side 12 gauge and with a VR80 12 gauge semi-auto although I did need to get a missing O ring for the VR80 and break it in w/100 -150 1400+ fps rounds.
Dam I picked up a belgium made 1971 hi power for 600$ bux made a couple hundred bux on my sks so i got 400$ in it made me a happy old man lol 😆
Turkish pistols aren't junks. Turkish rifles and shotguns are... eh, unless they are made for reputable companies...
The price of admission for Girsan's out-of-box custom features vs sourcing an OG Hi Power (or vanilla clone) and sending it in to get the same amount of custom features is what sold me on the MCP35 Match. I expected I'd still have to send it in for a trigger job and I likely will, but at least I won't have to shell out for the beaver tail, flared mag well, custom controls, and high undercut job. ...although I MAY consider swapping sights after seeing this video. Appreciate the coverage!
I have the non Optic MCP35 and love it. I would have loved to have gotten the Optic one but it wasn't out at the time. I paid less than $600.00 for the non Optic and find it well worth the money. It's a tack driver and so far has done well with no issues. The trigger is nice smooth with a clean break. People that have been in competition shooting sports know the fiber optic don't last long when used a lot so for me it's no big deal, I wouldn't like it if it fell off in less than a 100 rounds.
@@arlissyoung8899 I got the Commiefornia model, and it includes a set up thats optics ready, a Match barrel, and Novak style sights, though the rear sights are integral to the removable optic panel. It does not have the beaver tail or a bevelled magazine well, and it does have a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect which due to typical California nonsense, requires that I remove the entire trigger assembly to remove it, instead of just the pin on the trigger as in normal Hi Powers.
I have the "basic" P35 from Girsan. other than changing the grips for reproduction German wood ones, mine is stock. I am quite happy with it. I think much like with Tisas, once you wander off into the "custom" realm it gets disappointing. I wanted a Hi Power for plinking, and since I am not interested enough to shell out $1200+ for a Browning- I was happy with the $500 I spent to get "the feel". Mine runs great and shoots as well as I can.
I bought the Tisas in SS when they were still being imported. I put every available C&S part on the gun. Billet extractor, sear, ext safety, rounded trigger, pulled the mag safety, extended slide stop, no bite hammer, all new springs, g10 grips, hogue stainless grip screws, finished it off with a threaded bbl ( which required substantial fitting.)
The only stainless version of the BHP -ever to exist- except for very limited Baford Arms (long gone).
The Belgies never made one in SS, they only capitulated to the SS. 😂
I'm hoping someone will release an alloy version like the old FN Aluminum ones.
@@tylerwilliams6022 those had problems with durability. They tried alloy framed DEs too. Same issue.
@@tylerwilliams6022 now, a heavily sprung, alloy framed 3.8" carry model would be titties. Big, firm ones. ❤ I have a Star PD that was wild and unpleasant until I put a heavier spring in it. Now its a pussycat.
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That's why I would practice with a regular HP and use the alloy one for carry.
FEG made a stainless copy Hi-Power. FN made the silver/chrome model, two different runs. One made in Belgium around 1984, one made in Belgium assembled in Portugal in very early 90's. There were very small differences between them.
Shot over 300 rounds through my Ops with no issues. Has iron sights with hi viz from that IMO doesn’t need a "TV" to shoot accurately, which it does. Had 2 gransons, daughter and son-in-law shoot it; it's now their favorite.
Just saw one of these at a local shop and thought it felt great in the hand. I was really hoping you'd do a review on it!
My first gun was the original Belgian hi power, no other gun has fit my hand better. I like to get a Girsan to use that more and keep the original in the safe.
I was at a gun store today and they had one on clearance for 533 and I bought it and honestly for 533 damn good 855 not so good. I purchased this one with without the red dot
I have a Browning HiPower 40 converted to 357 Sig. It is setup for cocked and lock carry with positive detent ambi safety with Novak sights. I've decided I will get the beavertail mod. Even with the C&S no bite hammer, the hilt of the grip chafes the web of my hand slightly. It's a good platform with the right mods.
You have a very desirable gun. The .40 S&W has a heavier slide and stronger frame than the 9 mm.
Novak used to use the .40 as a basis for their beautiful custom Hi Powers. The beaver tail was an option. Too bad they no longer customize guns. Love my Novak Para Ordnance P-13 Custom!
Cylinder and Slide will put a beaver tail on for you. Plus lots of other cool mods and parts. I put their larger thumb safeties plus sears and trigger on also
Cheers
I am glad companies make new guns for the new gun owners that are coming along. For me at 74 yrs old I have all the pistols I will ever need. My favorite is my Taurus PT99 AF 9x19. It is a quality firearm. I read the Beretta PT99 FS has a plastic guide rod where as my PT99 AF has a stainless still one. I also have a Harrison and Richardson 9 shot 22 revolver I have had for over 50 years. I have a 32 Beretta Tomcat, a 38 charter arms revolver and an M&P 380 Bodyguard as my EDC. I don't think I will ever need another pistol. Still I am glad companies continue to innovate new stuff.
What does “need” have to do with it?
Oh my freaking Lord I've wanted a black on black Nighthawk Custom Hi-Power since forever. They really are freaking gorgeous. When Springfield and FN announced they were making Hi-Powers again, I remember wondering if Nighthawk was going to jump on that. I've always loved the lettering(that small, all uppercase lettering that is reminiscent of old Colt(and other I presume) 1911s) the Browning guns had as well.
As cool as they are though, I just can't justify spending that much on a Hi Power, even if it is from Nighthawk.
I like the Hi-Power. Back in the early 90’s I had the choice of going with HP’s or CZ-75’s…several 75’s later..
Never choose, by both!
I have the exact same gun without the Red Dot. No issues at all and it functions as it should. You can save yourself the "Hot Mess" by losing the over priced red dot. Problem solved. Why do people continue to buy HP's or HP clones and continue to complain about the trigger. If you are a gun guru, you knew that going in. Just give it rest and shoot it.
I have a MkIII Safe Queen that I bought new in the 90's, it was not expensive when I bought it. I still shoot it here and there, I've taught people to shoot a semi-auto with that gun. It's my ace in the hole if anyone wants to test my pistol accuracy. I love the trigger, I shot for a guard license (CA) with it. Blew the 10 and 9 rings clean out. I had 1 flyer, that was because the tester in an attempt to rattle me had me shoot a mag one hand offhand. My left index finger is not used to picking up the slack and leaving the trigger resting on the potato chip so my second round hit paper, everything else into the gaping hole. To me it's a sweet shooter, never once thought of carrying one. Could work I suppose, I think I could conceal it AIWB pretty easy. I'd have to work up to it, I've never carried anything with a safety or an external hammer.
I got rid of my SA-35. I couldn’t get that thing to run at all. Left a bad taste in my mouth for SA. I’d love to try some others. Having a HiPower or clone would be nice.
I have a Springfield SA35 at Mk3 to have many of the features that this Pistol comes with. Thus I bought one to keep me busy while the SA is off being modified. I shot it and its all fine from the box. I checked my front fiber and it was a tad loose so a small dab of super glue solved that. I polished the trigger a bit and that improved things. I decided to add a BH solutions match barrel with crown and it was a drop in fit without issues. Have not shot it yet with the BH barrel but will do so soon. My local shop ordered in for me without issue at end of February. Oh, and a mini Olight fits beautifully on the rail. Cheers fellas!
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to buy the Girsan MPC35 PI LW Match which has the aluminum frame and not the OPS version as you have noted in your review that the rail is useless. Thanks again.
I have the original, and I really like it. I was looking at this version so I can run a red dot. Great review as always
I love my star BM. Just so smooth and accurate. Great video.
Wish I had kept mine
I have the adjustable rear sight version my front fiber rod was loose as was the rear sight. I fixed them and I love the gun. I also don’t have the light Mount. It’s a gun I’m happy with for $675.00 out the door
My favorite channel on TH-cam
BH Spring solutions has done some testing of these, and most of the early problems have been ironed out. They actually had fewer issues early on than the Springfields. I just bought an Ops model I’m going to send it to MK3 Firearms for a trigger job, optic cut, and threaded barrel
Still looking for an SA-35.
When I do it will get Novak sights installed and the extractor replaced.
Along with a C&S ring hammer and thumb safety.
Also on the list would be to have MK3 do one of their awesome trigger jobs.
Unsure as to keeping the stock trigger pad or going flat faced.
May just split the baby and do a Garthwaite style trigger.
Don't get a sa35. Bh springs found that the girsan used better stronger steel
@@tylerwilliams6022 Bud's has them. I just had a friend buy a new one and after trying multiple different types of ammo, it would not group. He is in the process of trading it off and he hasn't even owned it for more than 2 weeks.
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Really? I figured the Girsan would be the more inferior of the two.
@@tylerwilliams6022 croatian springfield isn't the best manufacturer of quality guns. They got a neat name by purchasing it way back.
garand thumb did a vid on the sa 35 for infamously jamming everytime once you got past the 800 round mark
I got the mc match had a loose rear sight, fixed it. Paid 675.00 l like it a-lot. Doesn’t have any feeding or extraction problems like the SA.
I lost my front, fiber optic insert on my first range trip too. EAA were absolute jerks bout sending me a replacement. I believe Honest Outlaw had the same problem with his front insert as well. Maybe they should spend a second checking on that before shipping them out.
In my experience EAA are absolute jerks about everything. You caused the front sight fiber optic to fall out by actually shooting your gun, and you expect them to fix it? The nerve of some people….
Remember when everyone needed a Witness 10mm but some models cracked the slide and frame on a regular basis with standard pressure rounds? EAA were total dickheads about it. Luckily Tanfoglio was awesome about getting those back into service.
On a serious note, did the fiber optic tube have any indication it would be fragile before you shot it? Was the “balled up”portion melted at the front or the rear was too small for the opening in the sight? Was the replacement fiber optic filament a good fit to the sight? Some filaments are very brittle and if its undersized the shock of firing tends to break them. I’ve replaced enough FO filament that I had a whole box with nothing but different colors and sizes. The filament sold by Dawson Precision isn’t the cheapest but it is flexible. Bullseye out of New Hampshire is pretty good too and supposedly US made. Using a tapered Diamond needle file to minutely break the sharp edge of fiber optic tunnel in the sight can help too, since the sharp edges can act as stress risers break the filament.
I spent $600 for the non red dot version. The problem with the loss of fiber optic lies in the fiber optic itself. Mine worked its way out of the gun in shipping before I could even shoot it. I replaced it with the included fiber optic green and red and they all broke after a mag or 2. After replacing with a spare fiber optic that came with one of my Caniks its never come loose. And yea the trigger is doodoo.
I don't know, I must have the only unmodified BHP with an out of the box awesome trigger. It's a Belgian made MKII that I bought decades ago back at Navy Arms in NJ. In fact it was Val Forgett who took it out of the case and showed it to me. He was trying to push me that day toward a SIG 225 police trade in, but I was a young man who until then bought second hand and wanted to buy my first brand new pistol. Over 40 years later I still have that gun. Even with the magazine disconnect the trigger still breaks like a Canik or Walther PPQ. One day I will pass it on to my son.
No detent on the thumb safety? Sure there is. There's no separate plunger tube; the spring and plunger fit in a hole in the frame. The BH Spring Solutions replacement spring sharpens the safety action a bit.
I myself, would like to get my hands on their Match model. Thanks for the share!!
I've seen a lot of reports of that front sight fiber optic coming out. Happened to me, too. Fortunately, those are fairly easy to replace.
If you have problems finding a new fibre element , Red monofilament large diameter .6 .65 .7mm .8mm depending on the diameter required are all available from local tackle shops and work pretty well, just warm the end into a blob with a soldering iron and push the unburned end through the slot then cut of the excess and heat that down to a size that holds it securely in the sight . It worked fine on My air rifle so it should work ok on powder burners too .
I have the standard Girsan which I upgraded with Bhspringssolutions trigger and 2 piece guide rod. Shoots great!
Still liking my 1950s Belgian Browning High Power.
They need a little polish/spring love but the girsans shoot fantastic
That gun looks amazing.
I own a Match - no rail and no red dot, and an adjustable rear sight.
Pros: with premium ammo like Underwood precision is *very* good. I get 1" groups at 20 yards hand held. With common range ammo it's no better than my G19.
Cons: the fiber fell out, just like it did for Tim. But it's a 5 minute repair that cost a penny. Also, since everybody loves an undercut on the trigger guard - a misguided idea at best - the gun has one, and it cuts into a knuckle on the middle finger.
The trigger reset is a non-issue. In live fire you don't wait to hear or feel that click, there's way too much going on in the 0.18 of a second between pairs already. It matters that the reset isn't too long, but how tactile it is is irrelevant.
I'm glad I got a surplus Kareen when those were cheap a few years ago.
We just want it with a beaver tail, no magazine safety, and a modern 1911 safety. But not a single company listens. Not a single one.
Get the Girsan Match. Closest to what you desire.
Somewhat misleading in that the front fiber optic inserts commonly fall out and it takes about one minute to replace them. The replacement inserts are generally available in gun stores or sometimes extras come with the gun. I don’t own one of these but rather than discourage new (inexperienced) buyers by calling the sights a “hot mess”, just say how easy they are to replace
The fiber light pipe is a simple fix with a piece of fiber and a bic
$677 Eaa p35 optic ready seems pretty good..love the G10 grips
And yes, the triggers do suck, but I'll be taking care of that in a couple of weeks.
Pass for me but it looks good with the bigger beaver tail and I like that it doesn't have a magazine disconnect safety.
Tisas and Grisan do make some nice products. When I was younger, I really wanted a hi power, then I shot one finnally. Wasn't impressed. I didn't hate it just was disappointed. Then i shot a CZ 75b. Well that really impressed me. But i digress. I would own a hi power, But never carry one. Again still a fine gun just not for me. Would like to see Nighthawk's version but I'd rather spend that money on one their 1911's.
I got mine minus the red dot for $579 which I thought was a good deal. Honestly if I knew before I bought it that they made the version with the beavertail and no rail I would have gone that route instead.
I spent so much time waiting for the problems to be ironed out with Girsan's tactical version of the Hi Power, I went off and bought a CZ-75 instead. It's double and single action, feels very similar to the Hi Power, and can even be outfitted with wooden grips to almost mimic a Hi Power. If they went with cuts for an optic and a threaded barrel option, the waiting would've been worth it. At least they did away with the magazine disconnect though, that's one of my biggest issues with the Hi Power design.
Yes the cz is the modernized version of the hi power and is better in every way. The only weak point is that cz has a poorly designed firing pin that breaks. But it can be fixed with aftermarket firing pins from Cajun. The double action option on the cz specifically changes it to being able to conceal carry well.
the CZ is a single double action it not like other if you look careful they added a decocker that only brings it to a type of half cock I know I owned one but you right its the BHP upgrade@@jason200912
I vote for "Hot Mess". I really appreciate the video because this was a gun that I might have been interested in. You saved me some money. Thanks.
Look into the no optics Girsan Match model. No magazine safety stock. Shoots really well by all accounts.
I think Girsan makes a fine copy, and both are reasonably priced for the features.
Yeah, it's grear until it starts ejecting parts.
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I have been looking for one for years especially a military GP 35. I found one during the Panama Invasion and got confiscated by the MPs of 18th Airborne Corps. Those Rat Bastards!!! I still hate the MPs till this day!!! I am saving up to get the Springfield Armory SA 35. One day I will have my dream come true along with a British canvas holster and and canvas double mag pouch like how I discovered it at a Panama Defense Forces desk with a stack of porno magazines and a bottle of rum in a desk drawer.
Great review as always. Trigger bums me out . Front sight could happen on any gun . Just a plastic rod easy fix. Olight would probably work but I did have one fly off my gun first time I tried it.
Not only did I lose the front sight fiber optic strand, but also the gun front sight kept moving to the left. I centered it & put red locker & still moved after 100 rounds.
You need to stake it. Had to do that on my Girsan Match Elite 1911. Dawson fiber optic sight would not stay in the dovetail.
The price is reasonable just by virtue of having the beavertail. That's a pretty expensive thing to have added on by a custom shop. YMMV but for 1911's and Hi Powers, unless they are from a custom shop like Wilson or Nighthawk, I always expect to do a bit of tinkering or parts swapping. For me, I'd put a better trigger in there, or maybe just an EGW hard sear at first to see how much that helps. Also, I'm not sure what most people's opinion is on Olight but I have their Valkyrie Mini on a few small guns that don't have as much rail space up front and that would work great with this. The fiber optic falling out is a nothing burger. They are ridiculously easy to replace. You just get a fiber optic rod (from Dawson or Brownells/Midway) and use a lighter to melt the end into a little bulb, then insert it from back to front and trim it with about 1/16 sticking out of the front. Hit that end with the lighter to melt it into a bulb and it's locked in. I like doing my own anyway because I can hold the lighter on there just a bit longer and get a bigger bulb on the back end which basically make the "dot" bigger and quicker to pick up.
That Springfield looks amazing
Nailing the info that has value. Thanks!
Great review. I'm surprised your magazine pops out so well though. The ones I've looked at don't eject more than an inch and the mag has to be pulled out. That being said, I do respect Girsan to a high degree in this low-budget clone market. I have the Beretta Girsan (Girsan Regard) and it works great. Never jammed, no issues whatsoever. I'd rate this company well above Taurus. As for their shortcomings, I'd blame Erdoğan, lol.
These hi powers are amazing are bh springs found that they're far better made than the Springfield's. The only problem with girsan is that their barrel locking systems lock on the low left and messed up the iron sights poi. One other thing is that a center punch spring tool is required to punch out the trigger pins from right side to left side of frame. Their pins are so stiff that a punch is not enough to hit it out.
Garand thumb also found that after 800 rounds. The sa35 would stop extracting the rim of brass at least once per mag.
The FN HP I bought in the early 1990s has exactly the same safety setup as this Girsan, and probably the same finish. The one my stepmother had, made in the 1970s, had a shiny blue finish, and had a safety lever on the left side of the frame only, which looked exactly like the one on the Tisas shown for comparison. I like the HP much more than you do, but I don't want the one in this video. Looks like I get to pay a premium over other Turkish HP clones for features that either don't hold up, or don't work.
Bought this pistol…put a 100 rounds through it and the grips became so loose they almost fell off.
2:39 what made round 9 light up the barrel with orange flame and no other rounds did that?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Cylinder & Slide has the parts needed for the trigger pull and I really like their ambidextrous thumb safeties. I have a Tisas Hi Power version and after installing these parts it is a lot better! The safety is more positive. And I use a holster that has a strap between the hammer and frame.
As for a Red Dot, I would just like a popular red dot cut.
For me the Rare CZ75 SAO is the answer for me. The CZ SP-01s are nice but the rail makes it heavier.
🍻 Cheers
I wonder if Stacatto will come out with a "2035" Hi-Power 12 years from now.
Me: Mom! I want a Staccato!
My mom: We have a Staccato at home.
*Staccato at home*
The Girsan Regard (Beretta 92 clone) is pretty awesome. Paid $325 new (They have gone up since then) Better I think than the 92 I used to own. I would not pay $800 for that one.
it depends were you are in my area they have not gone up much the girsans are a better deal saw the 92 version of the beretta preformance model 526 wow beat paying 1500 or more for a beretta PS I own 2
Finally browning hi power got rail!
I wish Springfield Armory introduce their railed browning hi power soon. 😊
I just want Springfield to make one with a beavertail that doesn’t look like hot garbage. Something along the lines of Jim Garthwaite, Robar, or Wilson Combat (yes, they used to customize Hi Powers!) beavertail, as opposed to some weird nearly straight spike sticking out behind the frame. Even the nighthawk one is a little wonky. I’ll gladly let them scan my Ted Yost Heirloom Precision Hi Power to get an idea of what a proportionally flattering beavertail looks like. Or the hi ride thumb safety that was custom made to approximately the feel and positive detent by llike a 1911.
850 WHOW I GOT MY MC35 OPS FOR 550 OUT THE DOOR BUT MY GUN SHOP OWNER HAS KNOW ME FOR DECADES ... MY OPS HAD BEEN ROAD HARD PUT AWAY WET AND STILL SHOOTS FINE GREAT IN FACT ....
My BHP was made in Belgium in1986 and I love it, was 325$ private sale purchase 10 years ago and has been a great investment and tool for my life. I carry it quite a bit. Yeah that mag safety is really annoying more than anything people often get confused about it when they pull the hammer back without the mag and can’t get it back down lol. I like the classics and for 800$ I’m ruling NAH/Ney ..pass
In the early to mid-90's, the Hi Power was still considered a popular choice in a carry gun. The first thing we did back then when we got a Hi Power was to take out that magazine safety, especially because that materially improved the factory trigger pull. I think if I were going to spend $800 on one today, I'd probably buy the Springfield Armory, since it has modern improvements that we used to have to pay for after purchase, and getting service on it from a US company is probably going to be easier.
I still like 1911s best. Not sure I would carry one. I like everything about them except for the extractor. Under stress I think I would break it. Hi Powers are pretty sexy too.
On the light mounting issue...thats why I like streamlight..their lights come with several mounting plates for various rails...just saying.
So...how would you rank the available HiPowers (SA35, Tisas, Girsan, this one, ne Browning "GP35", original GP35?
I’ve got my eye on these but will wait for a threaded barrel edition and suppressor height night sights… no FO for me 😑
Yeah $800 is steep. I got a non-optics ready version for sub $500 which I’m pleased with.
I really just want the beaver tail as my Hi power smacks me pretty good.
Idk if I'm just immature, but I chuckle every time I hear "beaver tail" 😆
Had the Girsan standard Hi-Power clone. It was terrible! Just got an older Browning Hi-Power that I happened to find at my LGS for under a grand. Waiting for a Springfield SA-35, but would be willing to give the tac ops a try.
My SA-35 was just meh. Reset in loooong and can't feel it. Notice how slow Mac shoots it
I have the Girsan and reviewed it, but its the base model without the optics cut. I had to remove the magazine disconnect safety myself which really improved the trigger feel... Seems reliable so far and its a good shooter, but I agree, its not a carry gun.
yes you can carry it but I think most people buy one because the want a classic even if its a clone
@@bernardconeghen Agreed. It could be carried, anything can I guess, but its hardly ideal in today's world when you can get the same capacity at half the size and weight...
Think I will stick with my 19 but cool looking piece
I've had a few of these already.
I've found the safety detent to be WAY more positively detented than the traditional Hi-Power safety.
The Girsan Detective and standard, non-beavertail, versions have standard triggers with the magazine disconnect safety. They suck, like most Hi-Powers.
The OPS and Match are MUCH BETTER on every one I've had.
I like the frontstrap flare but if you have large hands you might not.
I have quite a few Hi-Powers personally and my Girsan Match is my favorite. (Adjustable rear sight, not with a DOT).
I have three of the aluminum Austrian Border Police FN pistols, one with an FM Argentine Detective slide which I have carried quite a bit. (Customized)
I WISH there was an aluminum frame with beavertail!!!!!!!!!
None of the Girsans I have sold has had the front fiber optic fall out BUT you can get replacement F.O. "sticks" at Brownells.
HOWEVER, why does the DOT version even have a front sight, there's NO rear sight?!?!?!?!
MY BIGGEST complaint is that there is too much gap between the top of the grip and the bottom of the safety.
The trigger reset on HPs DOES suck BUT the pull on the MATCH and OPS is NOT that bad, easily cleaned up by a competent gunsmith as well.
I ordered the basic model. Always wanted a hipower bit couldn't justify hipower prices considering i have better handguns
So I can have all of the modern upgrades but on a mechanically inferior platform?
Hey tell us how you really feel. I get the feeling you aren’t a big fan of the Hi-Power. As always good content love your channel.
remember he is a fanboy if its not on his favorite list he says its nice but not for me
Really, if it works like it's meant to.
That would be a very modern take on the platform. I think it would be fun to try out.
You're not alone in having your fiber optic insert being shucked, just dropped a video on my channel of my review of these fun lil' guns, mine shed it's optic insert in less than 5 magazines. Have to say I fully expected it to go missing, just not that fast! lol Great video pard, keep em coming!
Bought an Ops Match on a whim, love it.
$800?!
I'm glad non optic was a reasonable $480
New for that? Mine was over $700 new locally. G10 grips
@@leelazarus5529 yes new, no optic cut on mine and I'm okay with it. Black Friday deal
I would'nt have made a big deal about the FO piece falling out of the front sight. No biggie. About 15 cents to replace. Which anyone knows it always fall out.
I like girsan stuff but you be high to spend anything over 500 for this gun or anything they make imo
I DID NOT GET THE OPS WITH THE RED DOT AND I MADE SURE BEFORE FIRING MY FRONT RED SITGHT WOULD STAY PUT WITH A LIGHTER AND FLAT OF STEEL I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WITH A HIGH POWER TYRIGGER ... I LIKE MINE SO JUST OPT FOR THE OPS AND MY CHEAP PROTECK FLASH LIGHT WORK OUT JUST FINE ,,,,....
I have the iron sight OPS. Out of the box, the trigger was over 6 pounds. I've gotten it down to 4 1/2 pounds. The rear sight blade was rubbing against the rear cut of the slide preventing proper movement L-R and U-D. I used a diamond file to remove material from the lower part of the blade and freed things up. Most disappointing about the OPS is accuracy. I suppose it's "combat" accurate but even that is questionable. With any handgun I expect to hit an 8 inch steel plate at 25 yards 90% of the time. With the OPS it's more like 70% and that's just not good enough. I'm going to work with loads to see if I can improve it but I'm not confidant that it will.
I don't know why every gun tuber misrepresents the Hi Power safety by showing off something ancient and claiming that it's standard. The ambi safety on the Girsan, right down to the levers, is a copy of the ambi safety that came out on the Mk II in the early 80s. My Mk III's model name is literally the _Standard_ - ambi safety, deep blue, adjustable rear sights, walnut stocks, made in 1989. I'm the original owner, there's no confusion about how it was originally configured. The ambi safety was standard for basically 40 years until production ended. Kind of silly to claim that a new pistol copying what was already done for decades is somehow some big, wonderful improvement. 🤦🏻♂️
I have the same one with no optic cut. Mine has been absolutely awful! I need to send it back. My high vis sight didn't fall out. The WHOLE front sight fell out after about 50rds. It just worked it's way out. Idk how they'll fix it without just replacing the gun.
It can be staked.
@@larryweeks2831 yea I sent it back and they did fix it. Now the gun has ran flawlessly since. Said it was an extractor issue with the jams and I'm assuming they put a new sight in. Fingers crossed it continues to run like so many I've seen.
Hey , will any 9mm High Power Mag fit this , Mec-Gar for all the BHP's , ?
Inforce pistol light review incoming?
All I can say about the HP trigger. If you are a trigger snob stay away from this gun. have one for the last 30 + years and love it.
I bet that the OLight PL-2 Mini would work on that rail, since the light body can adjust forward and aft on the portion that actually does the clamping on the rail.
I just got the same pistol sans the red dot. I hope my front sight insert doesn't fly off. I'm surprised the trigger is lousy. I removed the magazine safety from one of my original Hi Powers and it greatly improved the trigger pull. I was hoping for the same effect in the Girsan.
a lot of gun the disconnect usally directly effects the path of the trigger bar will take that why when its removed big difference
The firearm in that configuration is really disappointing. Thank you for the honest review, while it is possible I might purchase the Girsan, certainly not that "enhanced" model.
Seems like a good candidate for something like the new Ruger ReadyDot (assuming it turns out not to suck), seeing how the optic effectively replaces the rear site.
I can confirm that a TLR1 mounts and securely stays on the 1913 rail.
I'd like to see you do a review of the Arsenal of Italy strike one handgun.
Why dont you do the gauntlet tests anymore?