The Browning was designed for cavalry use. The mag saftey was added to prevent the operator from shooting either himself or his horse. Admittedly, that feature is now an anachronism, but it is what it is.
Just received a MC P35 "MATCH" model. Beautifully made pistol. This model has a flat trigger, adjustable sights, and NO magazine disconnect. So dry fire practice without the hassle. This was one of the firearms I always wanted, but said I'd never pay the price for. Cheers!
Upgrade the trigger. I have the same gun and it is a beautifully made weapon. I have not yet fired it but i'm getting ready to send it off for an amazing trigger.
FEG started making clones of the Hi-Power in the 1970's. Patents normally only last about 20 years. The mag disconnect can be easily removed on any of them. Same process for all and it helps the trigger a lot. Plus mags drop free.
I wanted a historic copy of the Hi-Power so I bought the Match version. What a really well made beautiful firearm. I added a Brownells Nitraite barrel which fits tighter than what comes with this gun. Looks sexy and is more accurate.The factory upgrades are worth the little extra price.
This is an extremely important video to watch for the reliability and 100% compatibility of the original Browning Hi-Power parts. I once owned an original Hi-Power in the 90's and have regret departing from it through the years. This video convinced me to purchase the Girsan MCP-35. Thank you for making a great video full of valuable important information!
Thank you. I try to do the best I can. Everyone has different likes and opinions. So far everyone that I know who has shot it with me loves it. A couple of my friends have also purchased different models of it. The match is awesome.
Same here, always wanted a BHP, and when I could afford one they were very pricy on auction sites. The other thing that made me hesitate was the $2000+ upgrade packages, to fix all the original bugs and smooth it out... so I could have easily been out $4000. The SA35 was out a little ahead of the MC35, what ended up selling me on the SA was the steel frame. I had heard all the issues about the SA35 and had the parts fixers before it got to my LGS and had those installed on the day of delivery. It's been superb so far. BTW, Nighthawk Custom does a very nice set of black grips for these.
I had a BHP about 20 years ago and sold it (like an idiot). At about the time I was wanting to replace it, FN dropped it and the prices skyrocketed. I was elated when I saw the Springfield and Girsan werecoming out with one and even more elated when I saw that the MCP35 was an exct copy that I chose that one over the Springfield. Sure enough, it felt like what I remembered my FN one was like. I wish I had the FN one, but this certainly filled the want!
I am all with you. Having an original would be ideal. It’s always been a bucket list gun. I gambled on this one and couldn’t be happier. Like you said, if you didn’t know any better…. The biggest difference I found was the finish. This is matte vs gloss. I am looking to get a pair of OG walnut grins for it. I think it will look pretty classy.
@@Pftdlmn The browning hp had a beautiful deep dark high polish bluing. And mine was very accurate. I handled the girsan but i didnt buy it. I might still though if they shoot as good as the original
Thanks for this knowledge. I've been on the fence about picking one up. I'm definitely grabbing one now and look forward to more of your research and videos.
I’m sure you will love it. I would recommend getting rid of the piece that is the Magazine disconnect. It’s easy to do and the spare pin you should have on hand (I got lucky and didn’t need it) can be purchase through bhspringsolutions.com/?doing_wp_cron=1674526301.2371819019317626953125 only runs about $10 and is pretty easy to do. Also I’d LOVE to hear about your experience with it. We can also be reached on Facebook and through messenger.
The Hi-Power design is as iconic as the 1911. It was designed around the then-new 9mm cartridge which is why the pistol is so light despite having an all-steel frame. The all steel Hi-Power is only a few ounces heavier than the polymer framed Glock.
It’s my understanding from speaking with other gunsmiths across the country the Springfield has parts that are either sized very differently or they have to be fitted.
The Hi-power was developed for the French military and one of their requirements was a magazine disconnect. Also you can remove the disconnect without having to remove the trigger. Just remove the pin holding it in and wiggle the trigger lever as you pull the disconnector out. You can leave the pin out or replace it.
The only reason I can see to remove the magazine disconnect safety is to remove parts that could result in a malfunction under whatever circumstances, but NOT simply to improve trigger pull. The trigger pull is ideal for a combat pistol and should not be lightened by any means beyond polishing of contact surfaces because over time, all fire control systems lighten up and what started out as a stiff release ends up being much lighter. On a combat pistol, trigger pulls below 5.5 pounds are insanely light and dangerous, and could result in an unintended discharge that could cost you thousands of dollars if not decades of your life. Right out of the box the Girsan P35 is just fine and needs NOTHING to make it better! Before you start knocking out pins SHOOT the gun at least a few hundred rounds to wear in the contact surfaces and soften up the springs. The LAST THING anyone needs on a defense pistol is a "hair trigger" which is anything less than about 5 pounds and even that is super light when a person's adrenalin is flowing and their finger is millimeters away from the trigger!
JMB had little to do with the High Power design, the majority of the design was done by Sauve, including the double stack mag. Take a look at the two patents he filed on his work and see what you see that looks like a HP. As far as the mag disconnect goes, if you do crazy stuff like actually shooting the pistol, the trigger pull will smooth out - just like revolvers do. I handled dozens of High Powers during my 30 years in the military as a small arms instructor - he magazines on those Inglis HPs dropped out just fine and they all had about a five lb. trigger pull. Crazy... almost like everything smoothes up with use. For those saying a 5 - 6 lb trigger pull on a fighting handgun is too heavy -stay out of the military. The trigger pull on M16 variant service rifles runs about 8 lbs. versus the HP pistols 6 lbs. If people spent as much effort on their shooting as they do imagining flaws that require hacking away at their firearms, most of their firearm's potential issues would disappear by themselves. 9:26
Good info in a very nice pistol congrats. I am trying to fight the urge to buy one. Here's the thing though what do you think is better a Beretta 92 or High power? I have several 92 pattern pistols and many others and always find myself falling back on the 92 I think it's probably the most all around Superior 9 mm handgun ever produced.. that's not taking anything away from the high power I just think it's more of an advantageous design..
Having carried a 92 for years I would agree that it’s a good fitting pistol, for some. I think side by side I like the Hi Power. For me I just like the feel and function, but that’s just me.
Thanks for the info, I'm seriously considering doing this to mine. I'm not sure if I want to improve the trigger or keep it original. I think you're right about the quality over the SA-35. I was going for the SA-35 as I absolutely love the grips, but it wasn't available. No issues so far with the Girsan. I recently purchased a set of ZIB grips from Amazon and I'm very happy with them.
As a tactical point I got rid of the disconnect. Leaving it in prevents me from conducting a tactical reload. It also holds the mag in making exchanges slower. I am looking into getting an OG set of black walnut Browning grips for mine. I’m at 500 rounds and ZERO issues.
I bought the same gun about a year ago. My experience has been a bit different. It came to my FFL soaked in oil. I mean really soaked; no way I could take it to the range like that. So I field stripped it and cleaned it up as best I could (I’m not a gunsmith). First trip to the range I put maybe 60 rounds through it without malfunction. Then the second trip I put another 120 rounds or so, and at just over 100 I began to experience light primer strikes. If I manually re-cocked the hammer it would fire on a second strike. A third range trip with another 50 rounds and the light primer strikes were becoming more frequent. So I decided it was time for another field strip and as thorough a cleaning as my non gunsmith self could manage. Then back to the range sometime later, with 150 rounds. First 90 rounds or so no problems at all. Then it started to do something really weird: a couple of rounds out of each of the last several magazines, the trigger just wouldn’t reset. It wasn’t stuck; it would move through its travel just fine, but no until after a number of cycles, as if the magazine disconnect was engaged. This was actually quite dangerous, not knowing how many trigger pulls it would take to get it to fire. So I took it to my local gunsmith. He completely disassembled it and gave it a “deep cleaning”. He said that the problem was that the residual oil it had been shipped in, that I couldn’t get at with a field strip cleaning, had congealed and formed a kind of gunk that was interfering with the action, I believe he said the sear. He assured me that now it would be fine; he put about 50 rounds through it himself and considered it a good shooter and a well-made gun. Since then I’ve had mine to the range once so far as I write this; put 50 rounds of inexpensive “Venom” brand Turkish range ammo through it. Had one failure to extract at the beginning of a 15+1 set; thought maybe it didn’t like “topping off” the magazine with one in the chamber (some autos don’t do well with that; it’s a good way to jam a Tokarev). Then on a subsequent set did the 15+1 thing again to confirm that was the issue, but then it ran fine. The jury is still out on mine. I plan to shoot it some more in the near future to further determine its reliability or lack of the same. I’m jealous of all of these glowing reviews of the MC P35, how everyone is talking about putting hundreds of rounds through theirs without any problems. Would be nice; hope mine can ultimately live up to such expectations. On a positive note, I have not found the magazine disconnect to be a problem as far as the trigger pull is concerned. After take up it is crisp and not particularly heavy nor gritty. I see no need to remove the MD. Why the MD in the first place? No, I don’t think it was to help prevent a bad guy from turning the weapon on its owner during a tussle. It was to prevent NDs during cleaning, in the hands of newly minted military or police who were not that familiar with firearms before joining up. This was not an unreasonable fear; Europeans don’t have the gun culture of Americans, so they wouldn’t necessarily have had the familiarity with them that Americans would. It should be remembered that when the Hi-Power first came out, revolvers were still in wide use even in some militaries. It’s very easy to determine if a revolver is loaded just by looking at it, but one can imagine a novice removing a loaded magazine from an automatic thinking that the weapon is clear while a live round is still in the pipe…and that’s how accidents happen. The MD seems like a goofy feature to most of us today but it was a rational safety measure for its time and place.
Blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah, as Biden says, come on man! Any numbskull can take a can of brake cleaner, spray it down real well followed up by some Rem oil, and lithium grease in appropriate areas, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist. 😂
Can you link the video that does the parts swap with the original Browning?.... I know The Yankee Marshall did that with the TISAS.....but never saw the one you mentioned.
The trigger is atrocious with that mag safety. Mine clocked in at over 12#. Went down to a respectable 6 after. Going to invest some money in BHP spring solutions and clean it up some more
Nice to know but not worth putting dings in the frame just to get a pin out. If it's that important, take it to a professional gunsmith. My that 2 cents worth.
They are according to BHP there is a coating on it to prevent the pin from walking out. Mine was stiff as well. I purchased a second pin to reinstall as recommended. I hope your pin breaks free. Don’t get frustrated and end up pounding on it to a point you damage the finish
Issue I’ve heard of is the magazine will drop at random after doing this mod. Not that it will happen all the time, it may or may not but when it does it’s completely random.
I’ll keep an eye out. I haven’t heard of that and as a gunsmith I’ve checked with several other gunsmiths who haven’t heard of that issue. I have had about 300 rounds through it since doing the mod including some speed reloads etc with NO problems. If the mag is falling out it isn’t because of the safety disconnect. The magazine retention is a different part and system. If it’s random I would assume that the shooter didn’t fully seat the magazine. If they did I’d look at faulty magazines.
And where preytell did you here this so-called issue from. Some buddy's friend's cousins brother's sister's boyfriend who heard it from someone else. Simply put it's never happened.
The "Magazine Disconnect" is not a problem! It is a "Feature" designed right into the Browning High Power from the very beginning! At the time, 90+ years ago, this was part of the Military "Doctrines" of near ALL European nations that eventually would buy and incorporate the "High Power" into their armed forces! It still amazes me, that there is still so much "moaning, groaning, bitching and bellyaching" about this STANDARD FEATURE of nearly ALL SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOLS from that Era!!!! When I was trained on this weapon, we just took it in our stride! And handled it accordingly. It was NEVER an issue in Combat for the Soldiers that served in any of the countries that bought and used it. PLUS......... You can remove it! So, PLEASE! Can you just stop ✋️ all that childish 😒 wine ing???? Thank You! (There! I've got my two cents worth in. On, back to our Feature Presentation! )
I totally agree! I get the feeling whining about safety features makes them feel cool. 😎 It's was a combat firearm used by militaries all over the globe. Sorry it messes with their imaginary tactical ninja scenarios! 🥷 Too much John Wick!
If you can’t hit the bad guy in the first couple of rounds, the magazine disconnect is not the problem. The problem is you not being able to hit your target. Another words you’re a bad shot. It’s estimated gun battles are over in 12 seconds. So stop overthinking this as a problem with the gun.
It is a problem, it's a bad feature. It's mostly just annoying lol. It alsp makes the trigger really shitty. It was also common in the countries that used these for people to ND because of it. Cause they'd need to drop the hammer to turn the gun in to an armory, but need the mag to do it. So they'd usee a loaded mag and forget, and fire a round into the ground.
Please get your facts straight, JMB patented some aspects of the HP but he didn't design the HP he died in 1926 his protégé completed the design and it was he and FN management that decided to honor JMB and give him credit.
I have a copy of the original patent Browning applied for in 1923 (!) before Saive even heard of the pistol. Browning died in 1926 and Saive finished it to try and get the French army contract. The original patent was striker fired and the French wanted a hammer which was changed by Saive. The French wanted the DAMNED mag safety which Saive added. Other than that the drawing is the same pistol. Double column magazine, same grip shape, same narrowing at the front of the slide. You look at the drawings and it's the same Hi-Power we know today, but without a hammer.
I’ll note the other point of view. I went with the SA-35 and love it. Have fed hundreds of rounds through it with no problems. I honestly can’t make myself buy a firearm from a manufacturer that permanently emblazons “read safety manual” on the side of it. I feel like Im looking at a pellet gun. When Girsan stops that, I might consider one. The Springfield Armory 35 is fantastic (looks and operates great) and got it at a gun shop for under $700. Also, SA did away with the mag disconnect and the trigger pull is smooth and the gun is one of the most accurate I own. The SA-35s are hard to find for a reason, but well worth the wait. Fantastic improved hi power out of the box. Glad you’re happy with the Girsan, but I’ll take the Springfield any day.
Pal..Alls I can say is... TRY & FIND ONE! Ive waited A Year & a HALF! NOOOO Ones Got one! I Just Ordered the Girsan in FDE Two tone! Plus ALL the internal Parts ARE 100% Interchangeable WITH ALL Browning parts! Yeah I KNOW the Disconnect Sucks! I WILL have it Removed. Same as I Did with my 9mm HP & 40 S&W HP Back in the 90's. Wat a Shitty! Way to Do business! Hype the gun ALL over U Tube! & gun magazines Etc! Nooooo Where to be Found! THAT TRULY STINKS!
@@harleydavidson6851 People want SA-35s and they are popular for good reason like all fantastic guns. Certainly not the only great gun that is out of stock at a lot of places because it’s in high demand. Your absolutely right though, when a gun is not in demand, they are easy to find (it’s not hard to figure). An SA-35 won’t just fall in your lap, you have to look. Having said that, there are at least 2 reputable dealers online that have them in stock right now. I just checked. They are harder to find for a reason, others are easy to find for a reason (it’s not a mystery). All depends on what you’re happy with.
Funny how you describe the perceived problem with this gun. A gun fight will last on average about 12 seconds and if you did not hit the bad guy within the first round of your magazine, then you must be a bad shot. Stop overthinking this stuff. Do you really think a criminal cares about your perceived problem with this gun. Hell they are opportunistic and will wait till you have your guard down to strike. I’ve yet to hear a criminal say that they are worried about small perceived details. All they want to know is can the gun fire. Again, if you can’t hit the bad guy with the ammo in the first magazine, I’d suggest you practice some more to become more accurate with the gun.
@@Pftdlmn If the first magazine fails then your toast. Again stop over thinking it. Criminals are opportunistic and will strike when you suspect it. This isn’t Gun Smoke where gun fighters square off. A criminal will wait to strike because they’re cowards.
If complete parts compatibility isn't close enough for you, have fun spending big bucks on a used original I guess. Girsan is certainly making a more faithful copy than FN is these days.
Freely dropping magazine is an American infatuation. European pistols have for year used the rat trap magazine catches, heel release magazine catches that require the off hand to push thr lever to release the magazine and manually pull it out. European thinking is that without your functioning magazine, your semi auto pistol is a single shot pistol. Magazines get damaged from dropping to thr ground, hitting the rocks. Getting mud and dirt in it. But making ghe shooter manually remove the magazine forces the magazine to be put away before pulling a new loaded magazines out to reload. But Americans love to play John Wick instead of acknowledging the realities of dirty, muddy combat that thr awuropeqns learned in WWI.
True. However there are two reloads taught it combat or defensive reloads. The empty reload and a tactical reload. In both cases time is NOT you friend. You don’t have any. If the mag is empty let it drop and get you fresh one in ASAP. In a tactical reload a partial mag In the firearm is retained. Again you need that partial mag to pop into your hand so you can insert the fresh. While I agree that the purpose for the disconnect was as a safety in CQB, we now teach defensive retention drills. Basically tactics and mindsets have greatly changed since the initial design.
The Browning was designed for cavalry use. The mag saftey was added to prevent the operator from shooting either himself or his horse. Admittedly, that feature is now an anachronism, but it is what it is.
Just received a MC P35 "MATCH" model. Beautifully made pistol. This model has a flat trigger, adjustable sights, and NO magazine disconnect. So dry fire practice without the hassle. This was one of the firearms I always wanted, but said I'd never pay the price for. Cheers!
Upgrade the trigger. I have the same gun and it is a beautifully made weapon. I have not yet fired it but i'm getting ready to send it off for an amazing trigger.
Over 1400 rounds through my MC P35 and I've been carrying it. One stovepipe with cheap reloaded ammo
FEG started making clones of the Hi-Power in the 1970's. Patents normally only last about 20 years. The mag disconnect can be easily removed on any of them. Same process for all and it helps the trigger a lot. Plus mags drop free.
The short barreled, aluminum framed PI LW version is fantastic as a carry gun. I got the Match version rather than the Ops as I didn't want a rail.
I debated on the match but in the end wanted something more like the original. Might still get the match. Lol
turkish made handguns are almost always really good
I wanted a historic copy of the Hi-Power so I bought the Match version. What a really well made beautiful firearm. I added a Brownells Nitraite barrel which fits tighter than what comes with this gun. Looks sexy and is more accurate.The factory upgrades are worth the little extra price.
Picked mine up today. Thanks for the video. I like to change the grips also. So thanks letting us know it take Browning parts.
This is an extremely important video to watch for the reliability and 100% compatibility of the original Browning Hi-Power parts. I once owned an original Hi-Power in the 90's and have regret departing from it through the years. This video convinced me to purchase the Girsan MCP-35. Thank you for making a great video full of valuable important information!
Thank you. I try to do the best I can. Everyone has different likes and opinions. So far everyone that I know who has shot it with me loves it. A couple of my friends have also purchased different models of it. The match is awesome.
Same here, always wanted a BHP, and when I could afford one they were very pricy on auction sites. The other thing that made me hesitate was the $2000+ upgrade packages, to fix all the original bugs and smooth it out... so I could have easily been out $4000. The SA35 was out a little ahead of the MC35, what ended up selling me on the SA was the steel frame. I had heard all the issues about the SA35 and had the parts fixers before it got to my LGS and had those installed on the day of delivery. It's been superb so far. BTW, Nighthawk Custom does a very nice set of black grips for these.
I had a BHP about 20 years ago and sold it (like an idiot). At about the time I was wanting to replace it, FN dropped it and the prices skyrocketed. I was elated when I saw the Springfield and Girsan werecoming out with one and even more elated when I saw that the MCP35 was an exct copy that I chose that one over the Springfield. Sure enough, it felt like what I remembered my FN one was like. I wish I had the FN one, but this certainly filled the want!
I am all with you. Having an original would be ideal. It’s always been a bucket list gun. I gambled on this one and couldn’t be happier. Like you said, if you didn’t know any better…. The biggest difference I found was the finish. This is matte vs gloss. I am looking to get a pair of OG walnut grins for it. I think it will look pretty classy.
@@Pftdlmn The browning hp had a beautiful deep dark high polish bluing. And mine was very accurate. I handled the girsan but i didnt buy it. I might still though if they shoot as good as the original
Thanks for this knowledge. I've been on the fence about picking one up. I'm definitely grabbing one now and look forward to more of your research and videos.
I’m sure you will love it. I would recommend getting rid of the piece that is the Magazine disconnect. It’s easy to do and the spare pin you should have on hand (I got lucky and didn’t need it) can be purchase through bhspringsolutions.com/?doing_wp_cron=1674526301.2371819019317626953125 only runs about $10 and is pretty easy to do. Also I’d LOVE to hear about your experience with it. We can also be reached on Facebook and through messenger.
The Hi-Power design is as iconic as the 1911. It was designed around the then-new 9mm cartridge which is why the pistol is so light despite having an all-steel frame. The all steel Hi-Power is only a few ounces heavier than the polymer framed Glock.
I've had several Turkish made firearms, and find them very good. The SA-35 does take HP parts.
It’s my understanding from speaking with other gunsmiths across the country the Springfield has parts that are either sized very differently or they have to be fitted.
Some parts are interchangeable
The Hi-power was developed for the French military and one of their requirements was a magazine disconnect. Also you can remove the disconnect without having to remove the trigger. Just remove the pin holding it in and wiggle the trigger lever as you pull the disconnector out. You can leave the pin out or replace it.
I have this gun... cant get it out. This video might be correct.
great piece
The only reason I can see to remove the magazine disconnect safety is to remove parts that could result in a malfunction under whatever circumstances, but NOT simply to improve trigger pull. The trigger pull is ideal for a combat pistol and should not be lightened by any means beyond polishing of contact surfaces because over time, all fire control systems lighten up and what started out as a stiff release ends up being much lighter. On a combat pistol, trigger pulls below 5.5 pounds are insanely light and dangerous, and could result in an unintended discharge that could cost you thousands of dollars if not decades of your life.
Right out of the box the Girsan P35 is just fine and needs NOTHING to make it better! Before you start knocking out pins SHOOT the gun at least a few hundred rounds to wear in the contact surfaces and soften up the springs.
The LAST THING anyone needs on a defense pistol is a "hair trigger" which is anything less than about 5 pounds and even that is super light when a person's adrenalin is flowing and their finger is millimeters away from the trigger!
Well said.
I love my OPS MC35. No mag safety from factory and Less than 200 rounds and no malfunctions.
JMB had little to do with the High Power design, the majority of the design was done by Sauve, including the double stack mag. Take a look at the two patents he filed on his work and see what you see that looks like a HP.
As far as the mag disconnect goes, if you do crazy stuff like actually shooting the pistol, the trigger pull will smooth out - just like revolvers do. I handled dozens of High Powers during my 30 years in the military as a small arms instructor - he magazines on those Inglis HPs dropped out just fine and they all had about a five lb. trigger pull. Crazy... almost like everything smoothes up with use.
For those saying a 5 - 6 lb trigger pull on a fighting handgun is too heavy -stay out of the military. The trigger pull on M16 variant service rifles runs about 8 lbs. versus the HP pistols 6 lbs.
If people spent as much effort on their shooting as they do imagining flaws that require hacking away at their firearms, most of their firearm's potential issues would disappear by themselves. 9:26
How did you get that damn pin out? I’ve hammered on mine and only managed to mar the finish on the gun!
Good info in a very nice pistol congrats. I am trying to fight the urge to buy one. Here's the thing though what do you think is better a Beretta 92 or High power? I have several 92 pattern pistols and many others and always find myself falling back on the 92 I think it's probably the most all around Superior 9 mm handgun ever produced.. that's not taking anything away from the high power I just think it's more of an advantageous design..
Having carried a 92 for years I would agree that it’s a good fitting pistol, for some. I think side by side I like the Hi Power. For me I just like the feel and function, but that’s just me.
How is the hammer bite on the pistol thinking about getting one love the Hi Power.
Doesn't surprise me at all because I own a Girsan Regard MC and it's every bit as good as a Beretta 92 M9 if not better.
Thanks for the info, I'm seriously considering doing this to mine. I'm not sure if I want to improve the trigger or keep it original. I think you're right about the quality over the SA-35. I was going for the SA-35 as I absolutely love the grips, but it wasn't available. No issues so far with the Girsan.
I recently purchased a set of ZIB grips from Amazon and I'm very happy with them.
As a tactical point I got rid of the disconnect. Leaving it in prevents me from conducting a tactical reload. It also holds the mag in making exchanges slower. I am looking into getting an OG set of black walnut Browning grips for mine. I’m at 500 rounds and ZERO issues.
Love mine.
I bought the same gun about a year ago.
My experience has been a bit different.
It came to my FFL soaked in oil. I mean really soaked; no way I could take it to the range like that. So I field stripped it and cleaned it up as best I could (I’m not a gunsmith).
First trip to the range I put maybe 60 rounds through it without malfunction. Then the second trip I put another 120 rounds or so, and at just over 100 I began to experience light primer strikes. If I manually re-cocked the hammer it would fire on a second strike. A third range trip with another 50 rounds and the light primer strikes were becoming more frequent. So I decided it was time for another field strip and as thorough a cleaning as my non gunsmith self could manage.
Then back to the range sometime later, with 150 rounds. First 90 rounds or so no problems at all. Then it started to do something really weird: a couple of rounds out of each of the last several magazines, the trigger just wouldn’t reset. It wasn’t stuck; it would move through its travel just fine, but no until after a number of cycles, as if the magazine disconnect was engaged. This was actually quite dangerous, not knowing how many trigger pulls it would take to get it to fire.
So I took it to my local gunsmith. He completely disassembled it and gave it a “deep cleaning”. He said that the problem was that the residual oil it had been shipped in, that I couldn’t get at with a field strip cleaning, had congealed and formed a kind of gunk that was interfering with the action, I believe he said the sear. He assured me that now it would be fine; he put about 50 rounds through it himself and considered it a good shooter and a well-made gun.
Since then I’ve had mine to the range once so far as I write this; put 50 rounds of inexpensive “Venom” brand Turkish range ammo through it. Had one failure to extract at the beginning of a 15+1 set; thought maybe it didn’t like “topping off” the magazine with one in the chamber (some autos don’t do well with that; it’s a good way to jam a Tokarev). Then on a subsequent set did the 15+1 thing again to confirm that was the issue, but then it ran fine.
The jury is still out on mine. I plan to shoot it some more in the near future to further determine its reliability or lack of the same. I’m jealous of all of these glowing reviews of the MC P35, how everyone is talking about putting hundreds of rounds through theirs without any problems. Would be nice; hope mine can ultimately live up to such expectations.
On a positive note, I have not found the magazine disconnect to be a problem as far as the trigger pull is concerned. After take up it is crisp and not particularly heavy nor gritty. I see no need to remove the MD.
Why the MD in the first place? No, I don’t think it was to help prevent a bad guy from turning the weapon on its owner during a tussle. It was to prevent NDs during cleaning, in the hands of newly minted military or police who were not that familiar with firearms before joining up. This was not an unreasonable fear; Europeans don’t have the gun culture of Americans, so they wouldn’t necessarily have had the familiarity with them that Americans would.
It should be remembered that when the Hi-Power first came out, revolvers were still in wide use even in some militaries. It’s very easy to determine if a revolver is loaded just by looking at it, but one can imagine a novice removing a loaded magazine from an automatic thinking that the weapon is clear while a live round is still in the pipe…and that’s how accidents happen. The MD seems like a goofy feature to most of us today but it was a rational safety measure for its time and place.
Blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah, as Biden says, come on man!
Any numbskull can take a can of brake cleaner, spray it down real well followed up by some Rem oil, and lithium grease in appropriate areas, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist. 😂
Can you link the video that does the parts swap with the original Browning?.... I know The Yankee Marshall did that with the TISAS.....but never saw the one you mentioned.
Love the PI Version, wish it came with 2 mags though.
I agree
EAA is stealing a mag from them when they come over to the U.S.
Did you have any issues with a “gritty” trigger before removing the magazine disconnect?
It was and the weight was pretty heavy as well.
Mine is nice, but it has a 12 pound 11 once trigger pull.
The trigger is atrocious with that mag safety. Mine clocked in at over 12#. Went down to a respectable 6 after. Going to invest some money in BHP spring solutions and clean it up some more
I’m getting mine broke in but BH’s kit is on my list for sure.
Noticed the curved trigger. New feature?
No HPs have curved triggers. The flat trigger thing is fairly new.
Nice to know but not worth putting dings in the frame just to get a pin out. If it's that important, take it to a professional gunsmith. My that 2 cents worth.
I have browning hi power beercan site with marking no. 6 at the trigger guard,.can you tell me what does it mean,.?
@richardb.4339. That no.6 notates that it's worth $600
Ive been trying to remove the mag disconnect but the pin in mine is struck in good
They are according to BHP there is a coating on it to prevent the pin from walking out. Mine was stiff as well. I purchased a second pin to reinstall as recommended. I hope your pin breaks free. Don’t get frustrated and end up pounding on it to a point you damage the finish
You can take it out. Also who you fighting at the grocery store that you can’t beat with a hi power?
Issue I’ve heard of is the magazine will drop at random after doing this mod.
Not that it will happen all the time, it may or may not but when it does it’s completely random.
I’ll keep an eye out. I haven’t heard of that and as a gunsmith I’ve checked with several other gunsmiths who haven’t heard of that issue. I have had about 300 rounds through it since doing the mod including some speed reloads etc with NO problems. If the mag is falling out it isn’t because of the safety disconnect. The magazine retention is a different part and system. If it’s random I would assume that the shooter didn’t fully seat the magazine. If they did I’d look at faulty magazines.
It won’t drop randomly you still have to depress the mag button ,and that button is the same design as a 1911 mag release .
And where preytell did you here this so-called issue from. Some buddy's friend's cousins brother's sister's boyfriend who heard it from someone else. Simply put it's never happened.
The "Magazine Disconnect" is not a problem! It is a "Feature" designed right into the Browning High Power from the very beginning!
At the time, 90+ years ago, this was part of the Military "Doctrines" of near ALL European nations that eventually would buy and incorporate the "High Power" into their armed forces!
It still amazes me, that there is still so much "moaning, groaning, bitching and bellyaching" about this STANDARD FEATURE of nearly ALL SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOLS from that Era!!!!
When I was trained on this weapon, we just took it in our stride! And handled it accordingly. It was NEVER an issue in Combat for the Soldiers that served in any of the countries that bought and used it.
PLUS.........
You can remove it!
So, PLEASE!
Can you just stop ✋️ all that childish 😒 wine ing????
Thank You!
(There! I've got my two cents worth in. On, back to our Feature Presentation! )
I totally agree! I get the feeling whining about safety features makes them feel cool. 😎 It's was a combat firearm used by militaries all over the globe. Sorry it messes with their imaginary tactical ninja scenarios! 🥷 Too much John Wick!
If you can’t hit the bad guy in the first couple of rounds, the magazine disconnect is not the problem. The problem is you not being able to hit your target. Another words you’re a bad shot. It’s estimated gun battles are over in 12 seconds. So stop overthinking this as a problem with the gun.
It is a problem, it's a bad feature. It's mostly just annoying lol. It alsp makes the trigger really shitty.
It was also common in the countries that used these for people to ND because of it. Cause they'd need to drop the hammer to turn the gun in to an armory, but need the mag to do it. So they'd usee a loaded mag and forget, and fire a round into the ground.
Please get your facts straight, JMB patented some aspects of the HP but he didn't design the HP he died in 1926 his protégé completed the design and it was he and FN management that decided to honor JMB and give him credit.
I have a copy of the original patent Browning applied for in 1923 (!) before Saive even heard of the pistol. Browning died in 1926 and Saive finished it to try and get the French army contract. The original patent was striker fired and the French wanted a hammer which was changed by Saive. The French wanted the DAMNED mag safety which Saive added. Other than that the drawing is the same pistol. Double column magazine, same grip shape, same narrowing at the front of the slide. You look at the drawings and it's the same Hi-Power we know today, but without a hammer.
@@kodiakkeithFACE!
I’ll note the other point of view. I went with the SA-35 and love it. Have fed hundreds of rounds through it with no problems. I honestly can’t make myself buy a firearm from a manufacturer that permanently emblazons “read safety manual” on the side of it. I feel like Im looking at a pellet gun. When Girsan stops that, I might consider one. The Springfield Armory 35 is fantastic (looks and operates great) and got it at a gun shop for under $700. Also, SA did away with the mag disconnect and the trigger pull is smooth and the gun is one of the most accurate I own. The SA-35s are hard to find for a reason, but well worth the wait. Fantastic improved hi power out of the box. Glad you’re happy with the Girsan, but I’ll take the Springfield any day.
With the probable litigation concerning firearms in general, I’m surprised the company didn’t actually stamp the entire safety manual onto the slide.
Thank you for the info. I am A SA lover also but when I purchased this not to many had one for feed back. Thank you for yours.
Pal..Alls I can say is... TRY & FIND ONE! Ive waited A Year & a HALF! NOOOO Ones Got one! I Just Ordered the Girsan in FDE Two tone! Plus ALL the internal Parts ARE 100% Interchangeable WITH ALL Browning parts! Yeah I KNOW the Disconnect Sucks! I WILL have it Removed. Same as I Did with my 9mm HP & 40 S&W HP Back in the 90's. Wat a Shitty! Way to Do business! Hype the gun ALL over U Tube! & gun magazines Etc! Nooooo Where to be Found! THAT TRULY STINKS!
@@harleydavidson6851 People want SA-35s and they are popular for good reason like all fantastic guns. Certainly not the only great gun that is out of stock at a lot of places because it’s in high demand. Your absolutely right though, when a gun is not in demand, they are easy to find (it’s not hard to figure). An SA-35 won’t just fall in your lap, you have to look. Having said that, there are at least 2 reputable dealers online that have them in stock right now. I just checked. They are harder to find for a reason, others are easy to find for a reason (it’s not a mystery). All depends on what you’re happy with.
Owned the SA/35.. ended up trading it for the new girsan model with the rail. No regrets.
Funny how you describe the perceived problem with this gun. A gun fight will last on average about 12 seconds and if you did not hit the bad guy within the first round of your magazine, then you must be a bad shot. Stop overthinking this stuff. Do you really think a criminal cares about your perceived problem with this gun. Hell they are opportunistic and will wait till you have your guard down to strike. I’ve yet to hear a criminal say that they are worried about small perceived details. All they want to know is can the gun fire. Again, if you can’t hit the bad guy with the ammo in the first magazine, I’d suggest you practice some more to become more accurate with the gun.
The second magazine has nothing to do with round count. It’s so if the first magazine fails to work.
@@Pftdlmn If the first magazine fails then your toast. Again stop over thinking it. Criminals are opportunistic and will strike when you suspect it. This isn’t Gun Smoke where gun fighters square off. A criminal will wait to strike because they’re cowards.
In my opinion the girsan is close but not close enough . In my opinion anyway
If complete parts compatibility isn't close enough for you, have fun spending big bucks on a used original I guess. Girsan is certainly making a more faithful copy than FN is these days.
Freely dropping magazine is an American infatuation. European pistols have for year used the rat trap magazine catches, heel release magazine catches that require the off hand to push thr lever to release the magazine and manually pull it out. European thinking is that without your functioning magazine, your semi auto pistol is a single shot pistol. Magazines get damaged from dropping to thr ground, hitting the rocks. Getting mud and dirt in it. But making ghe shooter manually remove the magazine forces the magazine to be put away before pulling a new loaded magazines out to reload. But Americans love to play John Wick instead of acknowledging the realities of dirty, muddy combat that thr awuropeqns learned in WWI.
True. However there are two reloads taught it combat or defensive reloads. The empty reload and a tactical reload. In both cases time is NOT you friend. You don’t have any. If the mag is empty let it drop and get you fresh one in ASAP. In a tactical reload a partial mag In the firearm is retained. Again you need that partial mag to pop into your hand so you can insert the fresh. While I agree that the purpose for the disconnect was as a safety in CQB, we now teach defensive retention drills. Basically tactics and mindsets have greatly changed since the initial design.
Imagine all those Americans playing John Wick with 1911s in WWI. 😂
The magazine disconnect thing is much
A do about nothing
sorry...I'll take the USA SA-35 over a Girsan any day.
Why?
The regent br9 is the best copy if you can't get the fn get the regent br9 it's a straight direct copy interchangeable parts except sights