RIP R-02232 October 25th, 2020. Transmission was completely toast at that point also and Honda still said no! “Ask your mon please but she still said no!” - Evan, owner of car in video. Thanks for everyone’s positive and negative comments, I love you all ❤️
The content is great really and his way with words is good as well, but I don't like the way he presents it to you, his general robot-like facial and verbal expression throughout almost all his videos is slightly off-putting, I would still put Henry Catchpole as the best reviewer.
@@matthewwong1326 that's exactly what I like about this video (not a regular viewer fwiw) he doesn't put a show or trying too hard, it's really good informational content with a bit of humor.
I absolutely LOVE this car and appreciate Honda for finally sending it over here. The performance and driving experience you get for your money is outstanding. The car is also beautiful to look at wing and all. Why buy a "hot" hatch if you want it to look like a cold or lukewarm hatch?
Is no one going to say anything about the guy laying on the ground in the background blowing O’s at 15:12 😂 or the riceland bag that appears throughout the video
It's nice to see that Honda is going back to building fun cars again instead of automotive appliances. Now, they just need to go back to their subtle styling roots. Before I made it to the end of the video I was thinking to myself I wish they offered a "touring package" like Porsche does with the GT3. It's a really interesting car that bridges the gap between the Golf R and the Focus RS.
I really like your techical part of the review. Nobody lifts a car a show you how something works. As you know, these cars are driven on tracks a lot and some tracks are having high speed corners, where you need that rear end stability which wing brings. There is a lot of scientific test which explain how much wing is worth on fwd car too. Just take a look at time attach competition and it will be clear. This car without a wing would be ugly. Its not stylish car, but I love how its bold and in your face design. That’s type r. Its not aston martin, nobody drives R in a suit.
Frequent Fligher me too, its too much right now, but too clean (golf R clean) is boring too. One of the best driving features of fk8 is good stability on high speed braking. I have fn2 type R with supercharger and 370bhp, when I start braking from 200kmh and whant to prepare car for slow coorner 70-ish kmh) its drama! Fk8 is doing that easy.
That rear wing is a deal-breaker. I don’t care how nice it drives if I look like a clown getting out of a bad joke of a car. Women are not going to have sex with me if I show up in a clown-mobile (translate this into Japanese, please).
Probably in the age bracket you would expect, but his age doesn't discredit his opinion; there is no right or wrong opinion to have about this or any car. Looks are subjective, and even if this car isn't a lot of people's cup of tea there isn't anything wrong with liking the looks either. This car looks like exactly what it is, and is not pretending to be anything its not. Also if the aero is functional what's the problem; GT3 cars look like this, and the CTR was designed to perform best on tracks GT3 cars race, so of course its going to look like them. Yes it is FWD, and yes it has less power than those cars, but it would take a total meathead to think that good aero doesn't help regardless of the platform.
... i didn't reply to Steve's comment, because i didn't think there would be a positive reply to any answer i could give. the age bracket you'd expect is what age though? i'm 46. i'm not a fan of the looks of these newer generation Civics. i think the hatchback is better looking over, the sedan, and the coupe(which looks like it should be a hatchback). i think the wing on the Type R makes it stand out from all the other Civic hatchbacks that i've been seeing on the road. have yet to see a Type R on the road though.
@@xiaoxia5 where I live I've seen two other type R's and that's it. It's an extremely rare car on the road, the fastest front-wheel drive car in the world, and it will out handle almost anything.. no matter what the price.
Deejay Mercado yup.... I hated how these looked when they came out. After seeing a few in person though, I’m starting to think they’re actually pretty good looking. Kind of want one.
You have to remember the CTR's styling fits in the context of the earlier 2010 Mugen CivIc Type R and the 2015 Civic Type R. The S2000 is certainly a more clean and minimalist design.
This is the first video I've ever seen of yours, so forgive me for judging you from a single video. However, this is THE most through and thoughtful review I've ever seen on youtube. Seriously, besides seeing my favorite Randy Pobst on the track, you guys are making some EXCELLENT reviews. Please keep it up!!
The CTR is the best all around DD ever built. It's the king of affordable speed. In 2020 the next level up is about 70k and these are still 40. It's dominant over the competition, an STI feels like a tank in comparison. There is a reason the things lose almost nothing in resale. It is the DD perfected.
Agreed, I bought my 2019 Type R in September, I had a 2017 WRX STI... had to sell the STI... but not sad at all. The Type R just has superior driving dynamics. It really feels like a FWD Porsche GT3, every gear pulls hard. My STI was practically dead in 4th gear. I may go back to Subaru if they make the FA24 STI but until then it's all Type R.
@@taylorc2542 Nope, if you limit the car you drive based on age and what other people think you will be very miserable. I don't care if people don't like my car, I bought it for ME.
@@typerfk8 I like the spirit of the type R and I like Honda. I like what they are trying to do here and, functionally, I believe they achieved that. Setting aside that a compact isn't something I'm willing to tolerate at 6'2, I would have considered this car if the exterior design wasn't so overdone. That's not subjective either- the type R has far more styling than pretty much any other production vehicle out there (and certainly within its class). As a result it looks very immature, like something a teenager would drive. That's not to say that I wouldn't drive it because I'm worried about looking like a teenager; I'm saying it looks decorated by someone with (arguably) poor taste that didn't know when to quit, which is very common with kids and their cars. So when people say they don't want to drive it/call it a kid's car, that's my interpretation of it. If Honda reeled in the exterior a bit it would be more on par with the WRX or the like but still have its own unique look- I think it would then appeal to a larger audience. At the end of the day though, all that matters is whether or not you like it.
I think they really blew it on this model. It had so much potential. The looks are just spot on. Maybe if they made it smaller? - like three inches in length and added a plastic loop de loop drag strip - and a feature where the owner's kid could hold the top of the roof and pull the car backwards.. Then release it and send it flying across the carpet?
I enjoy letting people with nice cars drive my Type R. It always changes their opinion when they feel how hungry it is. Its just different strokes for different folks. I enjoy canyon drives and pushing corners and this car is giving me the most for my money with that as my goal. I do daily drive it and its really fun. It's not perfect but it covers a very broad spectrum of driving well.
The ugliest car Honda has ever produced. If the markup didn't zoom past my budget, I would have one. I had the opportunity to drive one and it was a BLAST. Thank Kami someone at Honda still remembers how to make a fun car.
I love the loud styling of the Type R. If you dont like it, stop complaining and go back and drive a Lincoln. Some people care too much about what other people think. People are either stupid or jealous of you.....live life and enjoy!
I only ever saw one white Civic Type R ever since they started selling them in Spring of 2017. The crazy look is an acquired taste, but the current gen Civic drives so well & full of technology I don't mind. (On a side note I DO live in Canada...and I saw that white Civic in Scarborough where I work...could it be this is the same car I saw?) Honestly given how good it drives, the only real reason the jokes & hate is really because it is a Civic with a big wing. We've all been there, making fun of ricers since the first days of Fast & Furious (the sack of rice says it all), but if you can look past that the Civic Type R is a genuine masterpiece & a definitely future classic.
Name me a current FWD sports car that drives as well as this. Answer is you can't. The Renault Megane RS 275 Cup came close, but the Type R handily beats it as the Nurburgring time shows. I think that qualifies it to be a masterpiece.
Trades46 So just because the civic has the record in one track, somewhere in europe, where any company can go with modified car and set whatever time they want, without anyone checking if their car is actually stock means it's a masterpiece to you? And no i can't name you another current fwd car that drives as well, because every other manufacter went AWD. But i can name you so many other older fwd cars that i think are better to drive than this civic (most of them would be older hondas). So in conclusion, my opinion is that faster doesn't mean better.
The key is "modern" (might want to practice reading). The Nurburgring time isn't the point; but the fact it can while remaining FWD (e.g. like all historic Civic Type R) and still punch AWD hot hatches in the face is of itself an engineering feat. Also while older Hondas could drive better, none of them ever had to deal with this much HP & TQ going to front wheels. So this is the most power-dense FWD & has handling to match. If you can't appreciate even that, you're just a hater.
The Riceland bag sums this car up perfectly! This thing looks like Walmart & Autozone threw up all over it. It's the dream of 17yr old wannabe's everywhere.
Not really. The hood scoop is required to cool the engine and the rear spoiler is functional at 130 mph, creating 23 foot pounds of downforce. Cute little theory though. Honda doesn't need to pull anything. Subaru can't keep up with Honda sales. Not to mention, in the motor trend shootout, the type-r walked all over the STI.
Ford focus RS owner confession: i really like this car. Over 60mph, this car kills my car. Couldn’t buy this car because the dealers wanted $7k plus premium over msrp. I am very impressed with what they did with a basic grocery getter. Also, what a great video! Keep them coming.
I love this car ..But I have decided not to go ahead and buy The New type r ...because of the Gearbox Problems as there are so many out there with this problem ..
What car/s are you looking at? I own a lower 1.5T Civic hatch and I had gears grind about a handful of times but that was all when it was new and it hasn't happened again. I think it could have to do with revving to the absolute limit and then not waiting for the revs to match in some way. Now, I rev to 6k and this is plenty high for me no matter. I wonder if the Honda gear oil is the best but that's still what is in there now. I think people may tend to over-test their vehicles when they are newer, because you want to get your money's worth and to explore the limits of your vehicle.
About the steering setting. I'm a race car driver and engeneering from Brasil. In some parts I agree with you, but in the track (someting you not tested) the super direct steering wheel really makes a difference. Maybe to you not, cause you're testing in a road.
I feel like the people who are hating on this car having never driven a type r. People are so critical on its "ricer looks" and the fact that its only fwd. Type r's are amazingly well balanced, have great handling, and make good power for its purpose. Its not meant to have fast 0-60 times (theres more to sports car than that...), its meant to be carved around a canyon or track
The *only* reason I bought one and was willing to pay a little over sticker is that I owned a 2000 Integra Type R when I was younger. These dipshit complainers don't know what they're missing.
No, because Honda perfected the type r long ago with the dc2 and this is a slap in the face to that amazing car. I never knew I'd see a Honda prericed from the factory
There are no canyons or curvy tight back roads where I live, not everyone lives in California. 0 to 60 is what throws you back in your seat. Once you've driven tuned subarus and evos this feels gutless. I've tried a honda fit si in south Africa on tight fast roads and it was fun. You don't need a type r to have small car fun.
I know 3 guys(1 doesn't have his yet) that bought this Type R and none of them paid under 40K. I did get a chance to drive it and I was amazed at the handling, especially the cornering. Ultimately, I only hate 2 things about this car, the spoiler in the back and dealers stealing and extra ten out of peoples pockets.
Great review, learned a lot about this car. For me, there are way too many electronic systems. I hate variable steering between different modes, the steering should be the same in every mode, the ability for the electronics to actually turn the wheel for you? No thanks. Too many systems to correct all the problems of fwd. I honestly don’t really think these will age well. Not to mention the rear of this car is hideous.
Hey Mike I am thinking about buying this car or a Hyundai I30N, can u please answer a few simple (and maybe irrelevant) questions about it? How is the audio system, does it have a nice tone, etc? How tall are you? I am 190 cm (hope u understand what I am saying lol) and have issues fitting in drivers seats.
We just shot a video on my channel of a Type R and my 600up daily 7th Gen Accord 6my racing. Obviously wasn't even close but the type r is quicker then I thought and also handles so nice!
I winced when you crunched the gears. Mine does exactly that. Without the 1st to 2nd gear crunch issue (I have it, too, in my 2018 Type R)..this car would be the best car I've ever driven. The crunch does not get better with the miles,..nor can you learn to shift "better". Honda needs to fix this!
Subjectively I think the type r, the wrx, and every other hot hatch looks horrendously ugly. Like mom car hatchbacks with bolted on exterior “sportiness” - or something Homer Simpson designed. Now having said that, I - and several people I know - have all said the type r is the best looking among them. Yes, it’s ricer (and I’m Asia lol), but If you’re going to take a mom car and stick stuff on it, you might as well go all the way. I wish they released the coupe.
I've got 274km/h in my Type R on the Autobahn which is 170mp/h. And I had a passenger. We weight 90 and 80 kg so 170kg added to the car and still got that speed. And it wasn't even the straightest patch of it.
I like the video overall, but some of the opinions in the driving portion just come off as "I'm a good driver and people that don't want to drive stick the *real* way are lame and bad". Pretty condescending tone in the whole transmission segment on general. It's OK to let technology help if that's what someone wants. Then you mention "if you don't have the skill" for higher power RWD cars... Like, come on dude.
the gearbox problem is easily addressed , remove the clutch delay valve and adjust the master rod under the pedal and change the gear oil to amsoil or redline , that did solve my problems with the gearbox . onece in a while i do the fuck up at changing without pressing clutch properly and it will still grind , but thats 1 in 500 changed where before it was 1 in 10 changes .
You upload in 4K, COOL! I have only watched your videos on an Apple TV but now I will watch on my PC at times. Thank you for being you and trying to show us what's good and not good about the new Type-R. The owner looked really happy sitting there while you were driving His car hard. That's a person that really likes using their sports car like a sports car and they get my respect. (:
You know what all type R drivers know that the rest of the world don’t know? It’s a secret that Honda owners in general shares and perhaps more true is this level of understanding can only be known through real life experience. Type R drivers don’t give a fuck if you floss on him inside a Boing AH-64 attack helicopter. That type r driver knows he is better equipped than anything else that roams the land. #truestory
This car represents the same paradoxical situation the Integra Type R did nearly two decades ago. I can't say I love the styling, but after driving one the styling grew on me simply because of how much of a joy the car was to drive. I liked everything about the car except the fact that no dealer was willing to go below a $4,500 markup over MSRP. Styling is subjective where as performance and MSRP are objective. Honda designed a spectacularly performing car with a very reasonable MSRP and a fun factor high enough to bring non-Honda owners like myself into their brand. And yet, their limiting of production may prevent this car from ever being as good as it could be because the ridiculous dealer markup turns what should be a car of tremendous value into an economical shafting.
So much hate for this car when it looks much better than the ugly subaru that everyone loves lol. Wingis over kill? It's functional unlike the sti and wrx riced wing. The interior is far superior to the subie and rs. All these haters hating it Cuz it's a Honda lol.
Savagegeese-were you driving this Type R 2 weekends ago on some side roads right off of route 47 near Woodstock? I passed you guys twice in a grey 17' Miata RF and actually took delivery of my grey Type R this past Friday. I saw all the camera gear in the windshield when you passed me and thought it might have been you?
savagegeese sure do! I just did suspension, wheels/tires, exhaust, header, and tune on the RF and was testing it out ...its still pretty slow but handles way better than the sloppy 70's Cadillac factory suspension it came with and it's pretty fun. I will prob take the Type R out there one of these days but I am feeling a little sick to my stomach after watching your video.....I thought it was my imagination but I too have experienced a gear grind or two already in the Type R and wondered WTF was going on as I've never experienced that in any other car 😬🤦♂️
Honda has actually already issued warnings to the dealerships marking the Type R up so much. I have seen one Type R that had a markup of $15k at a dealership in California. Honda actually said that either dealerships sell the car at MSRP with normal dealership markups ($1-2k), or they will not deliver any more Type R's to those dealerships. That being said, dealerships still make such a good profit even at MSRP, which is $33,900. So negotiating on this car would be wise. Getting a brand new Type R for $3-4k below MSRP is a hell of a good deal. Especially considering the pricing of the competition like the Focus RS and the WRX STi.
No more mark ups and dealerships can’t even get rid of them. 2 local owners are trying to sell theirs cause they feel like they got fucked. $50K for a Civic. You can buy a lightly used AMG or M series for the same price and look way better and go way faster.
I liked this video, not because I'm a Honda fanboy (even though I am), but because you did a very detailed, honest, heartfelt review of this car. Kudos to you, sir. I really appreciate your reviews.
My 2015 Honda Civic Si had the transmission replaced under warranty as I lost third gear and was grinding into second. The car only had 43,000km on it. It seems to be a common problem with most of hondas kseries engines.
Good video. I avoided it like the plague because I'm not going to sit here and watch a TH-cam video that is over 30min long. Now that I seen it, 2 years later almost, I must say... you did a great job. To help answer your questions on the flaws... 1) The large wheels are what was required to make the numbers they made with the car at the nurburgring, therefore the car had to come with them. The science behind it, is that larger wheels with smaller sidewall tires, gives you more responsiveness and firmer handling on the turns and switchbacks. Too soft of sidewalls/rubber and the body will just want to rock and plow like a large boat would. They needed it to respond instantly, so that's what they used, so that's what we got. Go down to 18" or 17" wheels and you'll get a whole lot less loss of power that those large and heavy wheels were taking from the car. I would say 15hp easy, even if the wheels weigh the same but are smaller diameter. 2)The reason the car seems to be so strong for such weight and power, is because clearly it is underrated on hp. It puts down 290whp (rated 306hp), whereas the Civic Si puts down 180whp (rated 205hp). That would be a 5% loss in power going from the motor to the wheels, vs 12% loss. Typically, a FWD car will lose 12%. Doing the math backward on the Type-R, for 12% loss, it should be rated 330hp. 3) The gear grind feature/flaw, is Honda's answer to their dying dealerships not having enough service customers... Honda believes that if they throw in a faulty part to ruin the transmissions, the dealerships should have plenty of work. The real problem is that the dealerships want to provide the worst service of all the manufacturer dealer service depts, and expect the customers to come back. Ridiculous. What is that faulty part you ask? It's the clutch master cylinder causing the transmissions to fail, first with a grind, then permanent damage until your gears are ground to a pulp. So, what is the fix you ask? Go to the Honda Parts dept and ask for a 2001 Civic (7th gen) 4-door manual transmission clutch master cylinder and put it any Acura/Honda from 2002 forward. Yes, any Acura/Honda with a manual transmission for all those 17 years, be it a truck, an SUV, a minivan, a car, whatever. The most commonly complained about cars: RSX, Civic Si, and now Type-R, all the same fix for all those sporty/sport cars. 4)I will never buy one or any NEW Honda ever again, Honda dealerships are greedy, and Honda is not much different (see above), they don't care.
It has been loooon long long time since I saw such a good car review, good structure, calmed and going deep into technical aspects of the car. Also loved the guide in the video description where you put the links to each minute on the video where the category is. I felt your pain when you grinded first gear, my FN2 even it had a fully build gearbox had grinds when I hit redline in 1st gear, sometimes even in 3rd gear. Grats on the review :)
Is nobody gonna mention the mismatched front side markers? Maybe his replacement clear one fell out on the drivers side. Happened to me in my BRZ after throwing it around at autocross.
They need to make a stripped out ILX hatch Type R without all the goofy aero parts, just a High revving NA motor, suspension, and weight reduction. 260hp 2900lbs. The market is getting hot for sub compacts again.
shifting into any gear while bouncing off the Rev limiter doesn't usually result in a good shift no matter what car your in. I'd say that was driver error on this occurrence but I wasn't there.
Great balanced review avoiding all the fanboyism so typical of the kinds of cars. And as far as the looks go, it's not like they ugg'd it up because it's a Type R. Look at the starting material! The Civic starts off as an ugly car. It's essentially the same uggo car with a wing on it.
Third would be amazing if it wasn't so God damn ugly. I've always liked the look of hondas until now. How great would this be if Honda made a AWD or RWD version as well as the FWD.
Well the dealerships where I live either didn't have em in stock or had em marked WAY up. Like $4,000+ above. Ended up with a WRX, I'm actually happy it turned out that way because I love the WRX handling and AWD in the winter. I don't see very many Civic Type Rs driving around either.
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As a Type R owner, I've owned an M3 and an S5 and I get more compliments for my R than both of the other cars combined from every age demographic.
Integra?
If someone has a problem sitting in those seats, they can always choose not to be fat anymore
@deadend Fat Ass
I like been fat..😀
@@Shane-zx4ps apparently, you like being fat so much, you even eat the letters off of words.
Captain BaseBallBat-Boy ah that’s very hurtful,
Japanese culture is well known for fat shaming people.
RIP R-02232 October 25th, 2020. Transmission was completely toast at that point also and Honda still said no! “Ask your mon please but she still said no!”
- Evan, owner of car in video. Thanks for everyone’s positive and negative comments, I love you all ❤️
Bummer :(
Wow. That's not encouraging
Crashed it 100 feet into the woods.
Sorry to hear that mate
Did the transmission naturally just shit out on you?
Dude your video making skills are EPIC!! the little music interludes the fades the little easter eggs.. wow.. seriously!
Let's talk about the quality of this video
Way better than that giggly Matt Moran aka Subaru WRX Fan.
Matt S 😂
The content is great really and his way with words is good as well, but I don't like the way he presents it to you, his general robot-like facial and verbal expression throughout almost all his videos is slightly off-putting, I would still put Henry Catchpole as the best reviewer.
@@matthewwong1326 Check out Altek. He's a small channel but the quality is top notch
@@matthewwong1326 that's exactly what I like about this video (not a regular viewer fwiw) he doesn't put a show or trying too hard, it's really good informational content with a bit of humor.
I absolutely LOVE this car and appreciate Honda for finally sending it over here. The performance and driving experience you get for your money is outstanding. The car is also beautiful to look at wing and all. Why buy a "hot" hatch if you want it to look like a cold or lukewarm hatch?
Hell yea that's the right mindset
Love me some hot hatches
@@koraegiOh yea
Is no one going to say anything about the guy laying on the ground in the background blowing O’s at 15:12 😂 or the riceland bag that appears throughout the video
matthew nguyen hahaha yeah I caught the riceland bag typical geese humor
That's what makes The Savagegeese so bad ass!
It's comedy love it
shhhhh....it's a secret
Lol and that 🌈
I am a "Honda Fan Boy" and I thnk the rice bags are great! dont take yourself too serious... love the channel thank you
It's nice to see that Honda is going back to building fun cars again instead of automotive appliances. Now, they just need to go back to their subtle styling roots.
Before I made it to the end of the video I was thinking to myself I wish they offered a "touring package" like Porsche does with the GT3. It's a really interesting car that bridges the gap between the Golf R and the Focus RS.
I really like your techical part of the review. Nobody lifts a car a show you how something works. As you know, these cars are driven on tracks a lot and some tracks are having high speed corners, where you need that rear end stability which wing brings. There is a lot of scientific test which explain how much wing is worth on fwd car too. Just take a look at time attach competition and it will be clear. This car without a wing would be ugly. Its not stylish car, but I love how its bold and in your face design. That’s type r. Its not aston martin, nobody drives R in a suit.
Project cars - Balkans well said.. I'd still prefer a cleaner look, however. To each...
Frequent Fligher me too, its too much right now, but too clean (golf R clean) is boring too. One of the best driving features of fk8 is good stability on high speed braking. I have fn2 type R with supercharger and 370bhp, when I start braking from 200kmh and whant to prepare car for slow coorner 70-ish kmh) its drama! Fk8 is doing that easy.
Project cars - Balkans well said!!!👌
There's a possibility I'll drive mine dressed up, perchance
well said! especially last 2 sentences
It’s cool that the owner volunteered to have his new car taken apart like that
Look up the vinyl wrap video on Jalopnik if you want to see some sweaty guys dismantle the entire car.
See some sweaty guys? Ill pass!
yeah i would have told them they gunna have to skip that part lol
@@poolplexer It's okay. They're in speeds.
That rear wing is a deal-breaker. I don’t care how nice it drives if I look like a clown getting out of a bad joke of a car. Women are not going to have sex with me if I show up in a clown-mobile (translate this into Japanese, please).
When ppl complain about the rear wing yet subaru and many others basically have the same style
If Subaru has it on one of their cars that’s almost certainly a bad thing. Maybe look to design features on Alfas or Porsches.
For me, the wing is the 🍒 on top of a visually loud style. I'd prefer fewer fake vents and more cohesive lines.
@@bradcomis1066 Meanwhile top Alfas and Porsches have giant WINGS lmfao
GT2, GT3, GT4 = wings
if the Type R didn't have the ridiculous looking rear wing... i wouldn't like it as much!
xiaoxia5 and just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Probably in the age bracket you would expect, but his age doesn't discredit his opinion; there is no right or wrong opinion to have about this or any car. Looks are subjective, and even if this car isn't a lot of people's cup of tea there isn't anything wrong with liking the looks either. This car looks like exactly what it is, and is not pretending to be anything its not. Also if the aero is functional what's the problem; GT3 cars look like this, and the CTR was designed to perform best on tracks GT3 cars race, so of course its going to look like them. Yes it is FWD, and yes it has less power than those cars, but it would take a total meathead to think that good aero doesn't help regardless of the platform.
... i didn't reply to Steve's comment, because i didn't think there would be a positive reply to any answer i could give. the age bracket you'd expect is what age though? i'm 46. i'm not a fan of the looks of these newer generation Civics. i think the hatchback is better looking over, the sedan, and the coupe(which looks like it should be a hatchback). i think the wing on the Type R makes it stand out from all the other Civic hatchbacks that i've been seeing on the road. have yet to see a Type R on the road though.
Don't hate.
@@xiaoxia5 where I live I've seen two other type R's and that's it. It's an extremely rare car on the road, the fastest front-wheel drive car in the world, and it will out handle almost anything.. no matter what the price.
The type r is an acquired taste in terms of styling. The longer it's out, the better it looks.
Deejay Mercado yup.... I hated how these looked when they came out. After seeing a few in person though, I’m starting to think they’re actually pretty good looking. Kind of want one.
Tbh it hasn't grown on me yet, but it took 20 years for early 00s ford trucks to look good to me tho
they look great in black; granted, my favorite color is black so i'm biased.
@@entertained... Black or a darker colour looks way better on these cars than white
Nah bruh...nah uh..
The S2000 in the end is such a contrast to CTR. S2k is such a classic beauty.
TingTingMelody not to mention a more engaging and raw experience.
You have to remember the CTR's styling fits in the context of the earlier 2010 Mugen CivIc Type R and the 2015 Civic Type R. The S2000 is certainly a more clean and minimalist design.
You just have to take off the condom to get the raw experience.
Matthew Heagerty I thought that's the sailor's experience 😅
TingTingMelody AND YOU ARE A BULLSHIT!
This is the first video I've ever seen of yours, so forgive me for judging you from a single video. However, this is THE most through and thoughtful review I've ever seen on youtube. Seriously, besides seeing my favorite Randy Pobst on the track, you guys are making some EXCELLENT reviews. Please keep it up!!
Damn, I was so excited to see Turbowski shit on the car.
Turbowski seems really out of his element at the new shop
I would also like to think that he refused to give his .02
AND YOU ARE A BULLSHIT!
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He did it from the comfort of his toilet watching this on his "super phone" !
The CTR is the best all around DD ever built. It's the king of affordable speed. In 2020 the next level up is about 70k and these are still 40. It's dominant over the competition, an STI feels like a tank in comparison.
There is a reason the things lose almost nothing in resale. It is the DD perfected.
Agreed, I bought my 2019 Type R in September, I had a 2017 WRX STI... had to sell the STI... but not sad at all. The Type R just has superior driving dynamics. It really feels like a FWD Porsche GT3, every gear pulls hard. My STI was practically dead in 4th gear. I may go back to Subaru if they make the FA24 STI but until then it's all Type R.
Maybe if you're under 25, otherwise it's an embarrassment when you pull into the office.
@@taylorc2542 Nope, if you limit the car you drive based on age and what other people think you will be very miserable. I don't care if people don't like my car, I bought it for ME.
@@typerfk8 I like the spirit of the type R and I like Honda. I like what they are trying to do here and, functionally, I believe they achieved that. Setting aside that a compact isn't something I'm willing to tolerate at 6'2, I would have considered this car if the exterior design wasn't so overdone. That's not subjective either- the type R has far more styling than pretty much any other production vehicle out there (and certainly within its class). As a result it looks very immature, like something a teenager would drive. That's not to say that I wouldn't drive it because I'm worried about looking like a teenager; I'm saying it looks decorated by someone with (arguably) poor taste that didn't know when to quit, which is very common with kids and their cars. So when people say they don't want to drive it/call it a kid's car, that's my interpretation of it. If Honda reeled in the exterior a bit it would be more on par with the WRX or the like but still have its own unique look- I think it would then appeal to a larger audience. At the end of the day though, all that matters is whether or not you like it.
@@taylorc2542 that's only if you care what some boring old office dwellers think of you
bag of rice.....fucking hysterical....
I think they really blew it on this model. It had so much potential. The looks are just spot on. Maybe if they made it smaller? - like three inches in length and added a plastic loop de loop drag strip - and a feature where the owner's kid could hold the top of the roof and pull the car backwards.. Then release it and send it flying across the carpet?
freakout247 -_-
Jed Knutson AND YOU ARE A BULLSHIT!
classless
"Scott likes the smaller inlet of course" L O L
That Riceland bag of rice is great.
Kai_001 AND YOU ARE A BULLSHIT!
It was a nice touch
Ricers are uncontrollably triggered everywhere!
It connects to the Vtec system
Im Asian and even I have to agree that it's too ricey. Chit belongs in the motherland.
I enjoy letting people with nice cars drive my Type R. It always changes their opinion when they feel how hungry it is. Its just different strokes for different folks. I enjoy canyon drives and pushing corners and this car is giving me the most for my money with that as my goal. I do daily drive it and its really fun. It's not perfect but it covers a very broad spectrum of driving well.
What about a bmw m2 competition
@@didafm That car is what? 40,000 dollars more than the Type R? Dont really think its a valid comparison.
@@didafm IIRC Throttle House actually did a track comparison on that, even if the price tag is basically double that of the Type R
I can say the same for the Focus RS... I've let a few friends drive it that own Porsches and they are always surprised.
I can't afford one of these but I definitely could get over the looks in order to enjoy the dynamics
The ugliest car Honda has ever produced. If the markup didn't zoom past my budget, I would have one. I had the opportunity to drive one and it was a BLAST. Thank Kami someone at Honda still remembers how to make a fun car.
Been waiting on this one.... Can't wait for turbowski to put his vape pen down and give his opinion
I love the loud styling of the Type R. If you dont like it, stop complaining and go back and drive a Lincoln. Some people care too much about what other people think. People are either stupid or jealous of you.....live life and enjoy!
Too bad I was looking forward to seeing Scott being disapproving of this car
LOL at Riceland 4:17. Nice work buddy, epic reviews as always.
I only ever saw one white Civic Type R ever since they started selling them in Spring of 2017. The crazy look is an acquired taste, but the current gen Civic drives so well & full of technology I don't mind. (On a side note I DO live in Canada...and I saw that white Civic in Scarborough where I work...could it be this is the same car I saw?)
Honestly given how good it drives, the only real reason the jokes & hate is really because it is a Civic with a big wing. We've all been there, making fun of ricers since the first days of Fast & Furious (the sack of rice says it all), but if you can look past that the Civic Type R is a genuine masterpiece & a definitely future classic.
You may well have seen it in Scarborough. Watch for the old six digit plate. Not many of those around.
Trades46 A masterpiece? Seriously?
Name me a current FWD sports car that drives as well as this. Answer is you can't. The Renault Megane RS 275 Cup came close, but the Type R handily beats it as the Nurburgring time shows. I think that qualifies it to be a masterpiece.
Trades46 So just because the civic has the record in one track, somewhere in europe, where any company can go with modified car and set whatever time they want, without anyone checking if their car is actually stock means it's a masterpiece to you? And no i can't name you another current fwd car that drives as well, because every other manufacter went AWD. But i can name you so many other older fwd cars that i think are better to drive than this civic (most of them would be older hondas). So in conclusion, my opinion is that faster doesn't mean better.
The key is "modern" (might want to practice reading). The Nurburgring time isn't the point; but the fact it can while remaining FWD (e.g. like all historic Civic Type R) and still punch AWD hot hatches in the face is of itself an engineering feat.
Also while older Hondas could drive better, none of them ever had to deal with this much HP & TQ going to front wheels. So this is the most power-dense FWD & has handling to match. If you can't appreciate even that, you're just a hater.
Wow sodium filled valves ... The R32 GT-R you reviewed recently has the same thing .
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what a busy looking car... like a highschool kid from the 2000 designed it, inspired by fast and furious movies OMFG
Is no one going to mention "Riceland" 13:55 😂😂😂
Or the guy laying down on the ground in the background LOL
Yea i guess that means it's good for groceries?
The Riceland bag sums this car up perfectly! This thing looks like Walmart & Autozone threw up all over it. It's the dream of 17yr old wannabe's everywhere.
Hood scoop and wing is just to get Subaru fans over to Honda
A jacko it worked
It’s working!
I agree 100%
It is better looking.
Not really. The hood scoop is required to cool the engine and the rear spoiler is functional at 130 mph, creating 23 foot pounds of downforce. Cute little theory though. Honda doesn't need to pull anything. Subaru can't keep up with Honda sales. Not to mention, in the motor trend shootout, the type-r walked all over the STI.
Looks great
Drives great
AWSOME car.
1st June 2021 :)
After watching your reviews bro, I dont wanna hear or see no one else my man. thnx dude !!
Ford focus RS owner confession: i really like this car. Over 60mph, this car kills my car. Couldn’t buy this car because the dealers wanted $7k plus premium over msrp. I am very impressed with what they did with a basic grocery getter.
Also, what a great video! Keep them coming.
I’d much rather have the rs.
Alex M you need to read up more on over 60mph the rs kills it
Absolutely love how crazy it looks, especially the 2020 model. Can't wait to get it.
How is it
I got one in June 21. I love it. It’s by far the first car I have that I smile each time I goto drive it. Good review.
I love this car ..But I have decided not to go ahead and buy The New type r ...because of the Gearbox Problems as there are so many out there with this problem ..
What car/s are you looking at? I own a lower 1.5T Civic hatch and I had gears grind about a handful of times but that was all when it was new and it hasn't happened again. I think it could have to do with revving to the absolute limit and then not waiting for the revs to match in some way. Now, I rev to 6k and this is plenty high for me no matter. I wonder if the Honda gear oil is the best but that's still what is in there now. I think people may tend to over-test their vehicles when they are newer, because you want to get your money's worth and to explore the limits of your vehicle.
Honda MTF gearbox oil is the only oil to use for the Type R
The wing looks good, no problem with big wings if they’re functional, the fake vents suck tho.
As a 10-gen civic SI owner, I am really glad to see what Honda has achieved! Love it!
I wish that the si comes in a hatchback, I would totally buy it!!
About the steering setting. I'm a race car driver and engeneering from Brasil. In some parts I agree with you, but in the track (someting you not tested) the super direct steering wheel really makes a difference. Maybe to you not, cause you're testing in a road.
Made a difference for this guy...lol... th-cam.com/video/4YSjItQneNM/w-d-xo.html
I feel like the people who are hating on this car having never driven a type r. People are so critical on its "ricer looks" and the fact that its only fwd. Type r's are amazingly well balanced, have great handling, and make good power for its purpose. Its not meant to have fast 0-60 times (theres more to sports car than that...), its meant to be carved around a canyon or track
The *only* reason I bought one and was willing to pay a little over sticker is that I owned a 2000 Integra Type R when I was younger. These dipshit complainers don't know what they're missing.
No, because Honda perfected the type r long ago with the dc2 and this is a slap in the face to that amazing car. I never knew I'd see a Honda prericed from the factory
No one is arguing its ability to be a canyon carver. It just looks too over the top. I’d rather import a DC5, or buy an s2k.
Cobalt SS, Focus ST, GTI, oh im sure there is many more
There are no canyons or curvy tight back roads where I live, not everyone lives in California. 0 to 60 is what throws you back in your seat. Once you've driven tuned subarus and evos this feels gutless. I've tried a honda fit si in south Africa on tight fast roads and it was fun. You don't need a type r to have small car fun.
Who's the girl with the unshaven legs?
I decided to keep my s2000 and explained here: th-cam.com/video/g3_s1krJ_Go/w-d-xo.html
Is the styling really that bad. Nobody said anything about subarus enormous wings on their older sti's.
I know 3 guys(1 doesn't have his yet) that bought this Type R and none of them paid under 40K.
I did get a chance to drive it and I was amazed at the handling, especially the cornering. Ultimately, I only hate 2 things about this car, the spoiler in the back and dealers stealing and extra ten out of peoples pockets.
the spoiler is highly functional though. it may be obnoxiously huge, but Japanese cars are known for large spoilers
I agree
If you paid over sticker, your a sucker. There are several in Houston that are selling at sticker price.
Agreed. At 40K you’re stepping into golf R territory. When dealers mark it up that bad it makes the Hyundai Veloster N look like such a better deal.
Spoiler is good to 367 mph.
Great review, learned a lot about this car. For me, there are way too many electronic systems. I hate variable steering between different modes, the steering should be the same in every mode, the ability for the electronics to actually turn the wheel for you? No thanks. Too many systems to correct all the problems of fwd. I honestly don’t really think these will age well. Not to mention the rear of this car is hideous.
No I just rear brakes. Never turns the wheels
literally just bought one today, dont regret a thing.
Dont think the literally is required there. Enjoy though. I miss those honda shifters, even though its not as much of an accomplishment on a 4 cyl.
@@seren1ty755 2019 type r now mate
@@trebla8928 what
Congrats, drive safe!
Hey Mike I am thinking about buying this car or a Hyundai I30N, can u please answer a few simple (and maybe irrelevant) questions about it?
How is the audio system, does it have a nice tone, etc?
How tall are you? I am 190 cm (hope u understand what I am saying lol) and have issues fitting in drivers seats.
We just shot a video on my channel of a Type R and my 600up daily 7th Gen Accord 6my racing. Obviously wasn't even close but the type r is quicker then I thought and also handles so nice!
I winced when you crunched the gears. Mine does exactly that. Without the 1st to 2nd gear crunch issue (I have it, too, in my 2018 Type R)..this car would be the best car I've ever driven. The crunch does not get better with the miles,..nor can you learn to shift "better". Honda needs to fix this!
N C Is that still true?
Subjectively I think the type r, the wrx, and every other hot hatch looks horrendously ugly. Like mom car hatchbacks with bolted on exterior “sportiness” - or something Homer Simpson designed. Now having said that, I - and several people I know - have all said the type r is the best looking among them. Yes, it’s ricer (and I’m Asia lol), but If you’re going to take a mom car and stick stuff on it, you might as well go all the way. I wish they released the coupe.
It’s 2:03am, Binge watching SG. 4 hrs in, this is the last one I’m going to watch.
I've got 274km/h in my Type R on the Autobahn which is 170mp/h.
And I had a passenger. We weight 90 and 80 kg so 170kg added to the car and still got that speed. And it wasn't even the straightest patch of it.
that rear end is more busier than a kardasians threeway.
Jeofrey it looks like the front of a Klingons forehead
Dyson vac mods would replace those fake vents nicely
Bet the civic smells better
I like the video overall, but some of the opinions in the driving portion just come off as "I'm a good driver and people that don't want to drive stick the *real* way are lame and bad". Pretty condescending tone in the whole transmission segment on general. It's OK to let technology help if that's what someone wants. Then you mention "if you don't have the skill" for higher power RWD cars... Like, come on dude.
Haha love the rice in the back
I have a 2018 Championship White. Love it!! Anyone notice the guy laying on his back in the background at 15:58?
The audio quality is soo good
the gearbox problem is easily addressed , remove the clutch delay valve and adjust the master rod under the pedal and change the gear oil to amsoil or redline , that did solve my problems with the gearbox . onece in a while i do the fuck up at changing without pressing clutch properly and it will still grind , but thats 1 in 500 changed where before it was 1 in 10 changes .
You upload in 4K, COOL! I have only watched your videos on an Apple TV but now I will watch on my PC at times. Thank you for being you and trying to show us what's good and not good about the new Type-R.
The owner looked really happy sitting there while you were driving His car hard. That's a person that really likes using their sports car like a sports car and they get my respect. (:
Hype , car will be a nothing burger in 2 years, you can buy a rear wheel drive Manuel with over 100 more hp for 2 k less.
I doubt you. All type r's hold value really good. Good luck buying a 98 integra type r low ks in good condition
GETTING MY POPCORN READY FOR TONIGHT’S FEATURED PRESENTATION 🍿🍿🍿
So in honesty deep down SavageGeeae is a ricer boy from back in the day isn’t he? Fucking had a feeling import enthusiast lol
You know what all type R drivers know that the rest of the world don’t know? It’s a secret that Honda owners in general shares and perhaps more true is this level of understanding can only be known through real life experience. Type R drivers don’t give a fuck if you floss on him inside a Boing AH-64 attack helicopter. That type r driver knows he is better equipped than anything else that roams the land. #truestory
I'm going to get a lot of sh*t for saying this, but I wish they made this car with an automatic transmission...:-/
So I have to drive my 93 RX7 to Illinois...
Need a video on the baffled head which reduces oil blowby dramatically - ingenious system
This car represents the same paradoxical situation the Integra Type R did nearly two decades ago. I can't say I love the styling, but after driving one the styling grew on me simply because of how much of a joy the car was to drive. I liked everything about the car except the fact that no dealer was willing to go below a $4,500 markup over MSRP. Styling is subjective where as performance and MSRP are objective. Honda designed a spectacularly performing car with a very reasonable MSRP and a fun factor high enough to bring non-Honda owners like myself into their brand. And yet, their limiting of production may prevent this car from ever being as good as it could be because the ridiculous dealer markup turns what should be a car of tremendous value into an economical shafting.
Never pay mark up, that's for fools. Always leave a dealership if they dont budge on that
15:10 call 911 for the guy in the background...
So much hate for this car when it looks much better than the ugly subaru that everyone loves lol. Wingis over kill? It's functional unlike the sti and wrx riced wing. The interior is far superior to the subie and rs. All these haters hating it Cuz it's a Honda lol.
The Subaru wing is functional you honda stereotype
its a nice try. not awd. computers shouldn't drive your car.
Fine engineering Honda, but it's just too darn ugly for me. If it looked like a Golf...
Savagegeese-were you driving this Type R 2 weekends ago on some side roads right off of route 47 near Woodstock? I passed you guys twice in a grey 17' Miata RF and actually took delivery of my grey Type R this past Friday. I saw all the camera gear in the windshield when you passed me and thought it might have been you?
jameswillard1 I think that's where Scott's shop is. Would be cool to see him out working.
Hutzman76 yeah, I actually commented before I watched the video but it was definitely him because I recognize all the roads he was on
+jameswillard1 Yes I saw you! Pass by, you use the same roads?
savagegeese sure do! I just did suspension, wheels/tires, exhaust, header, and tune on the RF and was testing it out ...its still pretty slow but handles way better than the sloppy 70's Cadillac factory suspension it came with and it's pretty fun. I will prob take the Type R out there one of these days but I am feeling a little sick to my stomach after watching your video.....I thought it was my imagination but I too have experienced a gear grind or two already in the Type R and wondered WTF was going on as I've never experienced that in any other car 😬🤦♂️
26:58
"Hopefully, If you drive it RESPONSIBILITY..." LOL
Honda has actually already issued warnings to the dealerships marking the Type R up so much. I have seen one Type R that had a markup of $15k at a dealership in California. Honda actually said that either dealerships sell the car at MSRP with normal dealership markups ($1-2k), or they will not deliver any more Type R's to those dealerships. That being said, dealerships still make such a good profit even at MSRP, which is $33,900. So negotiating on this car would be wise. Getting a brand new Type R for $3-4k below MSRP is a hell of a good deal. Especially considering the pricing of the competition like the Focus RS and the WRX STi.
Jordan Flores no they haven’t
No more mark ups and dealerships can’t even get rid of them. 2 local owners are trying to sell theirs cause they feel like they got fucked. $50K for a Civic. You can buy a lightly used AMG or M series for the same price and look way better and go way faster.
what is the point of the riceland bag, so if ur talking about a ford ur gonna put a cheeseburger and fries on the hood.
I liked this video, not because I'm a Honda fanboy (even though I am), but because you did a very detailed, honest, heartfelt review of this car. Kudos to you, sir. I really appreciate your reviews.
Did anyone else spot the owner lying on the garage floor blowing smoke rings at 15m 14s?
26:55 'it's gunna be like crack cocaine, it's gunna be safe' ah so cocaine is safe
Oh God is NO ONE really gonna comment on “it fits all types of sizes” and “Scott likes the smaller inlet” @ 13:30?!
OMG swf it's a wing!
My 2015 Honda Civic Si had the transmission replaced under warranty as I lost third gear and was grinding into second. The car only had 43,000km on it. It seems to be a common problem with most of hondas kseries engines.
Glad your number of subscribers has grown. Keep up the good work!!!!
Wow wtf he ony has 80k subs? Damn
TheMidnightNarwhal yeah I know. He was at 39k a few months ago.
The car is overrated man it’s not worth the price they’re asking for
Couldn't care less about FWD cars but like how this guy does reviews.
Spillow .... Coming from someone who probably drives a fwd car!!!
Good video. I avoided it like the plague because I'm not going to sit here and watch a TH-cam video that is over 30min long.
Now that I seen it, 2 years later almost, I must say... you did a great job.
To help answer your questions on the flaws...
1) The large wheels are what was required to make the numbers they made with the car at the nurburgring, therefore the car had to come with them. The science behind it, is that larger wheels with smaller sidewall tires, gives you more responsiveness and firmer handling on the turns and switchbacks. Too soft of sidewalls/rubber and the body will just want to rock and plow like a large boat would. They needed it to respond instantly, so that's what they used, so that's what we got. Go down to 18" or 17" wheels and you'll get a whole lot less loss of power that those large and heavy wheels were taking from the car. I would say 15hp easy, even if the wheels weigh the same but are smaller diameter.
2)The reason the car seems to be so strong for such weight and power, is because clearly it is underrated on hp. It puts down 290whp (rated 306hp), whereas the Civic Si puts down 180whp (rated 205hp). That would be a 5% loss in power going from the motor to the wheels, vs 12% loss. Typically, a FWD car will lose 12%. Doing the math backward on the Type-R, for 12% loss, it should be rated 330hp.
3) The gear grind feature/flaw, is Honda's answer to their dying dealerships not having enough service customers... Honda believes that if they throw in a faulty part to ruin the transmissions, the dealerships should have plenty of work. The real problem is that the dealerships want to provide the worst service of all the manufacturer dealer service depts, and expect the customers to come back. Ridiculous. What is that faulty part you ask? It's the clutch master cylinder causing the transmissions to fail, first with a grind, then permanent damage until your gears are ground to a pulp. So, what is the fix you ask? Go to the Honda Parts dept and ask for a 2001 Civic (7th gen) 4-door manual transmission clutch master cylinder and put it any Acura/Honda from 2002 forward. Yes, any Acura/Honda with a manual transmission for all those 17 years, be it a truck, an SUV, a minivan, a car, whatever. The most commonly complained about cars: RSX, Civic Si, and now Type-R, all the same fix for all those sporty/sport cars.
4)I will never buy one or any NEW Honda ever again, Honda dealerships are greedy, and Honda is not much different (see above), they don't care.
I just discovered this channel and was shocked to see how many subscribers they have! Good honest review you guys deserve way more subs!
I love that you are the only person, that puts the cars up on a lift. That's a great review!
It has been loooon long long time since I saw such a good car review, good structure, calmed and going deep into technical aspects of the car. Also loved the guide in the video description where you put the links to each minute on the video where the category is.
I felt your pain when you grinded first gear, my FN2 even it had a fully build gearbox had grinds when I hit redline in 1st gear, sometimes even in 3rd gear.
Grats on the review :)
Watchin this video after buying a 21 type r. Informative
Is nobody gonna mention the mismatched front side markers? Maybe his replacement clear one fell out on the drivers side. Happened to me in my BRZ after throwing it around at autocross.
Nesh. Fell out on the way down from Canada in a rain storm, luckily I had the oem ones in the trunk still..
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They need to make a stripped out ILX hatch Type R without all the goofy aero parts, just a High revving NA motor, suspension, and weight reduction. 260hp 2900lbs. The market is getting hot for sub compacts again.
Just get a ILX 6 speed and strip it out. Then build the motor. It’s the same motor as a 9th gen civic si k24. Change the bottom end to a k20 .
No crazy design = boring, Crazy Design = ricer.
shifting into any gear while bouncing off the Rev limiter doesn't usually result in a good shift no matter what car your in. I'd say that was driver error on this occurrence but I wasn't there.
Great balanced review avoiding all the fanboyism so typical of the kinds of cars. And as far as the looks go, it's not like they ugg'd it up because it's a Type R. Look at the starting material! The Civic starts off as an ugly car. It's essentially the same uggo car with a wing on it.
Third would be amazing if it wasn't so God damn ugly. I've always liked the look of hondas until now. How great would this be if Honda made a AWD or RWD version as well as the FWD.
It's funny how people hyped this car up and I've only seen 2-3 since release. But every year I see more and more WRX's, STI's, Golf R's, GTI's.
I see these things everywhere in California.
Well the dealerships where I live either didn't have em in stock or had em marked WAY up. Like $4,000+ above. Ended up with a WRX, I'm actually happy it turned out that way because I love the WRX handling and AWD in the winter. I don't see very many Civic Type Rs driving around either.