Finally someone who actually appreciates cloth seats! Leather isn't always the answer! I love a good set of cloth or sport cloth seats. They can feel better, last longer, and even look better.
802 Garage ya i love cloth seats. Even better with heated seat option. Leather is a joke here in AZ yet anytime you want the high end engine they force you to buy leather seats. Annoying
If opt for perforated leather seats you won't feel hot and sweaty as regular leather seats plus leather if you look after them can look good after many years and they won't smell or get soiled like cloth seats.
Rudy F most times only one version of a leather seat is offered by an automaker. Most times its not perforated. Leather burns, must be maintained like a baby. My cloth I dont do anything to maintain them and after 9 years besides fading from sun they look brand new. Comfortable immediately upon sitting on them in all weather.
I watched this video before I bought an Si (coupe) and I watched again after owning the Si for a month. I have to say that your review is the most accurate review of the Si on TH-cam. Spot on!
Jonathan Fernandez that’s awesome, I’m happy for you!! Yes, the type R is very aggressive for sure but if the sport and si model wasn’t so close in performance that I would have regrets if I wonder if I’m missing out on so much fun!! Too bad the Si doesn’t have 240 horse power, I would totally buy it!
Just to let you know, yesterday while walking the dog, it started to attack some geese. I stopped him and yelled at him to show some respect. That's how much we respect you around here, Savagegeese.
savagegeese your reviews are great man. I'm thinking about getting an Hfp Si in black at the end of the year. Your review may have just sold me.. Do you think this car would've been that much funner for you if you had Hondata / intake /exhaust?
After buying the 2018 Si in June and driving it almost 2 and half months, I have to say this is an amazing car. I have done several trips back and forth between Northern California and Los Angeles, and this thing flies, doesn't matter how steep the inclines or curvy the roads. After driving a 2006 Camry SE V6 for the last 13 years, it took some time to get used to the 6 speed manual, and other than the infotainment system which I hate, I love this car. One thing I have to say, this is a car that rewards you for pushing hard on it, but when you have to drive it normally the young speed demon in you starts screaming and wants to break out. On the freeway I am always hitting 80 mph plus without realizing it, I know one of these days I am going to get a ticket, and that is when I wish I had just bought another Camry....
I bought a 2016 Civic Ex-T a year ago before they announced the SI. I obsessed over the SI for nearly a year, until my local dealership finally got one, and I said screw it and took the plunge. What an upgrade! I just turned 40, and only now have I become interested in cars thanks to something called a "mid life crisis". I was just cruising TH-cam watching reviews of my new penis extension, when I came across your content. Not only did you righteously affirm my love of my new car, but I found your delivery and knowledge to be top notch compared to anything else I'd watched. I will definitely be recommending your channel to anyone who will listen. Keep up the good work.
I've been lovingly driving my fully stock 08 Si since I was 16 from 4.7 miles on the odometer all the way to 147k (first and only car), and I've not felt the urge to buy another vehicle until I started to see how glowing the reviews are of this new generation. I don't need a hauler, I don't need 400 or 500 horsepower, and I certainly don't need reliability questions. All I can say is, I went last week to test drive a 2018 and it gave me a warm, bubbly feeling. The seating position, the position of the shifter and pedals, the sightlines, the throws, they all were wonderfully familiar. There are sure differences both mechanical and electronic, and I do strongly dislike the fake mesh work on the front and rear, but that emotional feeling is something that nothing's going to be able to match for me. I was incredibly pleased with how well the return to form panned out here, and despite my misgivings about Turbos, styling features and some other nit noity issues, it just felt good in a really intangible way. Honda has made it incredibly tempting to slide the 8th gen into the secondary role as a second car and enlist the 10th.
I really like the foot cam on your corner shifting! I just got my first manual car in years and it's so hard to get a good heel/toe worked out. Also, great point about the Si being an everyday car, not a race car. Keep up the great work!
I have had my 2018 Si coupe for 9 months now. I love it. For me the fuel economy + fun ratio was important because I drive a lot for business. I am averaging 37 mpg with about a 70/30 highway to city ratio. As an older buyer, one of the reasons it gets criticized was why I actually favored it... a quiet engine. If you are driving a lot you don't want to hear noise all the time. I personally love the styling from the side and front and the coupe is for better in the back. In terms of driving, it is super fun. Rhis car loves to turn at speed. I go out of my way to find the curves. Storage is great in the center console. Personally, I don't care about the volume knob, but I do wish I had waited for the the parking break fix in 2019. It is hard to know if it is on. Overall, this car has made me a Honda enthusiast. It is clear they listen to their customers and pack in value for dollar.
They truly sneak something like that into every video if you're paying attention. Best part is you never know what it's going to be. Humping the front passenger seat from behind... playing "Farting In The Wind" in the SRT8 (visible on the infotainment screen)... or exclaiming how well a trunk can hold all the luggage, camera cases and dildos you can throw at it. Best car review channel is best.
Mr Goose: I own the 2017 Si Coupé. You're dead right about the parking brake, seat heater on shift, and volume knob. I'd add that the clutch action is a little funky. The seats ARE awesome. The LSD is killer. The vehicle dynamics are great. Mine doesn't surge in fourth gear--It seems I'm always in that gear around town. I can cruise the freeway all day long at 80 mph and 40 mpg. Watcha gonna say--Haters gonna hate. I'm really impressed by this car, and relieved you like it as much as I!
I also own a 2017 si coupe. I drive like a mad man in town, and do 80mph on the freeway all the time, and still getting 34 mpg. This car is unbelievable. Doing the same thing with a GTI and you would be looking at 20 mpg and a trip to the car shop every other week.
I own a 2017 GTI and with a roof rack at 80 mph I get 33mpg. I'm not sure what reviews or biased internet forums you've been reading, but GTI's are extremely efficient. Oh and its wayyyyyyyyyyy more reliable than my focus ST. That thing was at the dealer every two months. With a roof rack I could never get more than 27 mpg with it. Lay the rear seats down flat in the GTI and you've got almost a truck bed of storage space in the back. Open your eyes man, the GTI is phenomenal as is the new SI. I'm glad Honda finally discovered turbo chargers. If the SI was more of a true hatch, I would have considered it more. Love the blue paint.
@@motorcitymanman7711 probably a lemon. My 2012 scion tc is at 100k miles with ZERO problems since I drove it off the lot at 5 miles. Now im looking to upgrade to potentially this si or a wrx but I can't make up my mind.
Just bought the SI...awesome package for the price...and I love the styling. Test drove a 370Z, WRX and GTI and the civic is the one I kept going back to for every day driving fun and livability. GTI was a close second but I already have a Golf (and the problems that come with owning a VW). I also think the GTI is so boring although very capable. Thanks for all the great reviews.
Rex Tex Are you still happy you bought the Si over the GTi and WRX? I'm in between these 3 vehicles. I keep going back to the Si because of Honda reliability/resale value and the fuel MPG numbers...
syedlink27 If you’re planning on daily commutes and practicality, the Si is great. The WRX is nice but it definitely chugs fuel and overall reliability is suspect (I own one). If you live in a heavily congested area, you may find the Honda a lot more manageable to drive in traffic when compared to the WRX. I’ve never driven a VW, let alone a GTI so I can’t help you on that. I know your comment was 8 months ago but just wanted to chip in.
Fantastic review. I'm 52 yrs old and probably don't fit the usual profile for this car. I was looking for an economical commuter car that has a "fun" factor. This car has exceeded my expectations. Reminds me of my 2005 RSX with a more useable torque curve. It's the perfect blend of modern tech, sport, and economy.
If you want to amp things up, get a Ktuner from Two Step Performance and a cold air intake from 27WON. You will NOT be disappointed! How's 255 HP and 295 LB-FT sound? It hits the mpg's for an average decrease of 1-1.5 mpg. (for me) I am 47 and this may very well be my mid-life crisis, LMAO! I bought my 2018 for all the same reasons as you did, but did some research and discovered a true wolf in sheep's clothing. It IS effortless. Oh, and don't forget the leather wrapped shift knob at 27WON Performance. No more burning the palm in the summer!
Dang I had my '05 RSX for 14 years, sold it last year and miss it, and now I'm looking at used Civic coupes haha. Nice to know someone else is having a similar train of thought. Oh, and I am 54 - certainly not the typical Civic buyer lol.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m a soon to be 50 year old who used to have a 2000 integra gs-r it reminds me a lot of it, particularly the way it shifts and handles, except there’s much more power lower in the rom range
This review was a huge help in my decision to buy the new Si. As a fellow S2000 owner, and previous 8th Gen Si Owner I appreciate the info and take on the new one. Having had it for a few weeks, I will agree that it's probably the best Si ever made.
After a ton of research and looking at lots of reviews (including this one), in June 2018 I bought a Civic Si. I completely do not regret it. Some of the annoyances of this car, such as not so smooth shifting, throttle response off the line and turbo lag etc. were easily fixed. Ktuner with Two Step Performances stage 1 tune fixed the performance issues, changing out the OEM Manual Transmission fluid with Amsoil Synchromesh made shifting and the transmission extremely smooth, and upgrading the shifter rocker with an Acuity Rocker upgrade reduced the gate spacing making shifting tighter and brought the gears closer together. I recently added a performance exhaust, so basically spending a little over $1000 completely revamped this car bringing it to a level that Honda probably should done as default
@@snail415 just in case someone runs across your question, the answer is yes. I used it and was impressed it did the job, but to hard to find around my area so I went back to Hondas fluid. That cvt went almost 250k miles ( think it was 235k)when it went .
Love how you point out the stuff that other car reviewers skim over or skip. I'll be looking for a new car in the near future and any car that screws up the HVAC and audio volume is instantly off my list. The driver should never have to take their eyes off the road so the manufacturer can make a "cleaner" cabin
@savageese, Hey man I also agree those vents are soooooo freakin' ugly and it's like on the back too why? In fact, it's this reason along with no LED front headlights in USA that's preventing me to buy it. Perhaps next refresh they will~ =(
Thank God you're back - You could have reviewed the 2018 Chevy Polyp and I'd be here, hanging on every word. Score - 10.0 P.S. - Not that epoxy flooring or track lighting isn't exciting...
I have an base 2006 A3 Hatch 6-speed I've owned for 11yrs. . Someone ordered it and backed out. I got it for the price of a golf when 2007 came around and no one would buy a manual car. I've test driven the 10 gen twice & am impressed w the total package, price is amazing. I'm jumping ship on the A3 for this new Si! Btw this is the best Si review I've seen yet. The only one Ive subscribed to. Total gearhead flavor. Thanks for your work Savagegeese you nailed the overall " best of all past Si's driverness" of this 10 gen Si. I felt same on my 2nd solo test run. Btw A3 2.0t was engine of the year for 5 years in Germany before imported into the states. It was put into the Gti in 2010. 0- 60 6.7. The new si 1.5 t is the A3 2.0t only bullet proof. It should the jewel of an engine mr. Honda would be proud of, as designing small engines with efficiency of motion, inherently built in, was his forte.
Epic reviews... this guy is my new favourite car reviewer... so knowledgable, so honest and so genuine, going to have to go back and watch his other reviews! Keep up the good work sir.
I know everyone on the internet hates the styling of the new Civics, but I've owned a Civic hatch (Sport Touring) for a few months now and I've had a ton of people actually come up to me and compliment the looks of the car. Usually it's something like "That's a Civic? That's really sharp!" Granted, that is not at all why I bought the car (I thought everyone IRL would hate it as much as the Internet would). I think it just goes to show that maybe us car enthusiasts take things a little too seriously sometimes. Yes, the fake bumper vents are stupid, but to the average person, they make the car look cool and give it a lot of character that is missing in more humbly styled cars. I liken this car's styling to the Fast & Furious franchise. Yes it's over the top and stupid, but I like it anyways.
YES! I have a 2017 coupe Si and I get several questions like “that’s a civic??” I love how sometimes it attracts some older gentlemen that are more biased towards cars from their generation at cars and coffee.
Completely agree. Those tack on pieces are right out of the Pontiac styling elements catalog of the 90s. The Fire bird did the same thing and folks hated it then too. I'm honestly curious as to how these design elements get okay'd.
Literally RICE. Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. I'm fine with some factory styling to look fast, but I cannot stand form that doesn't follow function at all.
Brian Fru seriously. I was in the market in early 2015 and wanted a si because i was selling my 2000 civic si but test driving it and just looking at it i couldnt stand that front end. Its so ugly. Happy they styled it alittle less ricer aggressive but im happy i went with my 2014 gti. Should have been a no brainer though for me since i get paid to work on my own car under warrenty lmao. Honda needs to fix their shit man...they lost it. The honda accord coupe was the best but they got ride of the two door. So stupid
I'm still in awe why you don't have more subscribers. Production value is outstanding. It took me a bit to get your sense of humor. I'll support you on Patheon
Also very subjective. Si may be faster and is more so for the track than the sport, but it has an HDMI exhaust, but I do like the wing. though. Lol. Besides, most Si owners from what I've seen are salty mainly because the sport hatch and Si look so similar interior and exterior and there isn't as much "exclusives". But the Si has power, suspension and shifting. Not only that, the color tonic yellow pearl can also be found on the regular Civic coupe minus the power. On the Sport and Sport touring hatch, they both literally have the same tires 235/40R18 while most of the civic line is at 215/50R17 or 215/50R16. And on the Civic couple, the rear is the same while the hatches are different in terms of the "fake" vents. I have the sport hatch, but of course the Si is better, not because of the looks, but because what it delivers in terms of performance. (And because of the infotainment system). With the Si, you're getting the best of everything. On the sport especially, you're actually limited on the infotainment system, but that depends on the driver.
@LastRaven So... you nit picked out one point out many points I made? Lol. I got you. 1. That was an observation [I personally have seen which is subjective] from people who also own Si's. 2. But does that mean ALL Si owners are salty because the sport hatch and the Si are the same even though it says "most"? Obviously not because it doesn't state "all". 3. You many not care but that doesn't mean other Si owners don't care and vice versa. 4. This.. is.. all.. subjective.. mate.
Omar Carrasquillo I very much agree. Honda really fucked up by not making a Si version of the Hatchback. I mean with a few mods the Hatchback isn't any different than the Si in my opinion. If they slapped a Si symbol on the Hatchback Sport I bet you everyone would be buying that hatchback instead of the lame sedan. Thats why they didn't make a "Sport Injected" version of the hatchback.
This review helped greatly in making a '19 Si coupe my daily driver. Plus I got the ultimate compliment from my 13 year old nephew, who asked me to pick him up from school, specifically so he could show off and say to his friends "Gotta jet. My ride's here." Thanks!
So after owning the 2018 Civic Si for a month now, I have to say that this is an amazing car. Here are the pros: sporty look Comfortable and spacious seating Lots of storage space, spacious trunk Thought out interior design Super responsive 1.5L engine 6 speed MT amazing handling and cornering very quiet engine (for being so small) Now the cons: removal of buttons for simple tasks put into the Infotainment system annoying notch sound when shifting into second and sometimes 4th ECU interferes when accelerating hard off the line My biggest complaint is basically the same complaint I have for all new cars. Why the hell do you take away the buttons and knobs for the AC and radio? If I want to adjust the fan or the AC settings, I have to go into the climate screen and make those adjustments, which can be distracting while driving. I just want a fricken button or knob, like in my 2006 Camry. I don't mind the screens for other functions such as adjusting certain functions or for my backup camera, but for stuff we do everyday, there should be buttons and knobs, or just knobs and buttons! Other than that, this is a pretty awesome car that is fast, responsive in the lower RPM range, and rewards you for going hard without sacrificing to much gas mileage. I took it on a trip between the Northern California bay area and LA, and it was comfortable to drive, did not slow down a bit on hwy 152 and the Grapevine (those of you who live in California know about the Grapevine!) and easily kept up with the big boys like the Charger and Mustangs, and surpassed them on the curvy roads of hwy 152 and the Grapevine!
Hecker pass is where I test my 2018 civic Hatch. Gotta say it loves the turns. HWY 17 is even better. I couldn't believe how fast I could go on those turns to the point I was keeping up with BMWs and Porches going at least 80MPH My next attack is on HWY9 and HWY35 and HWY84 I'm sure the Si handles a little better than my hatch but I'm having tons of fun and getting amazing MPG all around.
Mirz_786 I couldn’t agree more. Those are the best roads in the Bay Area to put this car and it’s engine to the test. I can’t wait to get one myself except I hate all this Honda sensing crap that’s being put on the new 2020 models. When I get one, the first thing I’m going to do is get a Hondata and disable the infamous “Rev-hang” issue. Next mods will be a PRL intake then a nice MAP Catback or MagnaFlow Exhaust.
I just bought an 18 SI and I have to say that your review is by far the most genuine and on point. I pretty much agreed with everything you said, if you're looking for an honest review on the 10th gen SI this is it. Good job
The 10th gen chassis is definitely the best handling civic platform we've seen, but the motor is just so bland. The soul of these cars was always the ultra responsive, high revving motors. I really can't imagine these chassis improvements are really worth sacrificing the thing that made sporty Hondas so enjoyable.
If you look at the old Integra Type R or Prelude SH's, the chassis was equally (if not more) important. There's a reason why those cars were heralded as "the best handling FWD cars ever." They had great chassis with independent suspensions. The 10th gen has a great chassis with an independent rear suspension like those old cars. You can't add an independent suspension in the after market. What you can add is power.
+Crispin Sugita adding power does not necessarily add character. I wish they would've kept exhaust vtec on this engine. The same way they did with the new type r engine
The key to the DC2 Chassis is far more complicated than simply being IRS (every si for the past 2 decades has also been IRS), but I see your point. Chassis dynamics are important, especially if you're talking about something like a type R. But the soul of a performance Honda is in it's motor, particularly when we're talking about Si's which historically have been much more about their motor than their chassis. The issue with this car isn't power, it's character. The car is only slightly slower than the previous two generations, but it's missing ALL of the character. There has been no shortage of good handling FWD cars for the past 20 years, and that's especially true today. Honda's offerings have often been slower than these competitors but Honda has always delivered an extremely special feeling, frenetic power train. With this advantage ceded, Honda is competing in a field of other DI-T cars that handle well with no defining attributes to elevate this Si. Sure, the car handles better, but with it's distinguishing feature removed, why buy an Si over it's competitors that also handle very well?
Your reviews are the best because your not bought and paid for by anybody! I currently own a Fiat 500 Abarth and could easily see myself in one of these down the road. I previously had a CRZ (6MT) and 2010 Fit sport (5AT) and I always felt like I was driving quality with some fun built in, this new Si ties everything together. I know I would upgrade the tires to say Conti DWS06's and add a decent exhaust and K&N typhoon intake like I had on the CRZ and FIT and call it a day! Keep up the good work, it's much appreciated!
+Klasse Act The last gen Fit is a great car. Needed an extra gear though. The CRZ would have been great if they had a non hybrid option. I never got to drive the HPD supercharged model. The Abarth is fun, this car has less personality but better all around. Good car choices. Let me know what you go with.
The sixth gen... Oh yes. That was my high school life in a nutshell. F bodies and Civics with mad subwoofers in the trunk... I'm in the nineties all over again. That said, I'm in the "dig it" camp when it comes to the Civic's overall styling (but I completely agree about the fake intakes/vents). Great review. Really digging the style you've carved out with your channel.
JAX same here bro I worked at blockbuster to save money for my 99 civic si in HS. Those were the best. Single deck pioneer CD player had all the ladies in my ride back then :D
After seeing the engine when the civic first came out, the mess under the hood and the problem they had with the piston wrist pin clips made me decide that they cheated out or didn’t care.
Would love if you could do an 8th gen Si video. Your attention to detail and no bs approach is very very refreshing. Hope you get many more subscribers mate !!
From everything I have seen it is because of the dual mass flywheel. It is worse at high rpm for sure. I have to granny it to rev match or say screw it and shift to the next gear fast and take some clutch wear. Low rpm it is much better.
Just bought my ‘19 Si, volume button included lol. This review pushed me to get it and I’m happy as hell. Now all I need to do I wait a couple thousand miles and the mods will begin 😁
I traded in my 4Runner for a used 2018 Si with 11k miles. This video was a great resource. I've had the car for about 2.5 months. Already racked 7000 joyous behind the wheel. Getting ready to put some winter tires on for the Chicago winters!
Wow, honestly I didn't expect you to like this as much as you did. I honestly thought that owning a 6th gen civic and an S2000, you'd really not be a fan. Most people talk about how uninspiring and dull the motor is. I didn't like the way this thing felt so "unwilling" to rev out. The sound was uninspiring and the power felt like an on/off switch. Either you made decent power in the midrange going full bore or you made nothing below ~3000. It didn't feel sharp to me like previous N/A motors. Shifting with the rev hang became not so fun because of the rev hang and the boost cutting out between shifts. I think you made a good point about this being one of the best Civics ever made (arguably), but I don't think it's one of the best Si's ever made. It's a good Civic for sure. It's a good Civic Si-lite, so to speak. This is what the Sport should have been, but as an Si, with that badge comes along a series of expectations and heritage for engaging driving experience that Honda used to do so well. I think it hasn't achieved that in this car, but they made a damn fine Civic in it's own right. So bottom line, I think it's a great Civic but not a great Si
+maximus9401 I 100% agree, its the best Civic. On paper and for real it bests the previous gen in terms of refinement, fit and finish, quality, safety, efficiency, speed, performance. But the new Si is not as fun as the previous gens. Old Honda is dead, gone. Its sad but true and with modern cars its becoming all the same, eco turbos. Now, this car feels more sterile than it should and I think thats what people hate. But I think Honda is trying to give it personality, its not a snoozer. About the only cars with more zest are the fords. I find the 6th gen Si more fun and Id rather own that but if someone was looking for a new car this Si is good for what it is, modern Honda Eco fun car.
I’ve owned a 3rd gen Integra then an RSX and a 2008 Civic Si which I loved the most. I now drive a sporty V6 AWD family car because I have a family but miss the the Civic Si. I still like to see videos like this to see what the Civic Si is like now. Great review.
I really wish car companies would stop putting carbon fiber in interiors. It's just not an appealing look to me. Even if it's actually real carbon fiber, I don't like it. The exception is if it's a car where they're trying to shave every bit of weight they can off the car. But when it's only put there for aesthetic purposes, I don't get it.
I personally don't like the look of carbon fiber inside cars either. If it's the only option and it is purely cosmetic I find it silly but I do like that it is an option to choose from. I feel much the same way about alcantara. It has its place but it wears incredibly bad and feels like hard plastic when worn down. The reason of my dislike mostly comes from Porsche. Alcantara costs about a tenth of what leather costs to produce but they charge the same for both.
I think the Si should've been released closer to the release of the standard cars. It's hard to be excited about this car with the Type-R coming at nearly the same time. Everyone needs to take notes from Porsche on these release schedules.
Nice review. As I grow into my 40s, I tend to agree with this review. Gone are the days where I am going to mod the crap out of a car, but just want something fun, something with a lot of power down low, and something i can tote kids in. I don't want to have to rev the hell out of it to get power like the old Si of yore. The adjustable dampers, the LSD make this the perfect FWD car in my opinion. The lack of manual ebrake is almost a deal breaker though. Can't decide between this and a WRX. Hmm.....
James Dunn My friend has one, and I️ agree, it’s a good car, but I️ feel like it has no life to it. It’s to emotionless, the engine sounds very bland. But that’s just me
13,500 miles since last August on my '17 Aegean Blue Si sedan and no issues. Your review is spot on. I find that mileage on highway or longer in town trips is better then claimed, but way worse on very short excursions under 3 miles I screwed up and missed getting it with the summer tires. Trying to wear out the all seasons but the damn things won't die. Handling is still amazing so can't wait to see what this chassis wtill do with good summer tires. For the money there really is nothing else that does so many things right.
I love quiet cars. Ive owned a 2004 Acura tl and i fell in love with how quiet and refined it is while at the same time being able to haul ass. I never find myself wishing i had a blaring loud car.
Your reviews are a class act, a must see for me. Have a blue 2017 SI sedan and 10,000 miles love it. The issues I have- rev hang and pedal spacing can be fixed(Hondata and Accuity). The handling, braking and everything else are already there.
I'm going to sell my Lancer Evo to get one lol. This is what I have been waiting for Honda to do all my life. A turbo sporty economy car with a lot of tech!
1. The purpose of the small opening on the front passenger vent isn't to let air IN - it's to let the sound of the horns OUT. 2. Pulling UP on the electric parking brake switch and activates the parking brake just like pulling UP on the handle of a mechanical parking brake.
+zroger73 Except you have to have your foot on the brake and there is delay in actuation and release if you dont hold brake long enough. If I want to pull brake I cant, have to get in car and put foot on brake. Fine for auto trans not so much for manual.
you shouldn't use the parking brake anyway unless it's parked on a steep hill. leave it in 1st or 2nd gear. or reverse if the car is pointed down hill. using the brake can warp the rotors or make the brake pads stick to the rotors, especially if you are using a more aggressive compound.
Yes I have found this to be a nuisance. I have a 17 hatch sport. This is my first Honda. We will see in 3 years if it is replaced with another Honda. I wished the hatch sport had more power and the Si brakes and suspension. It wasnt out when I was looking for a vehicle. Seems cheap in some areas. No gages. Thats stupid. Our 16 Focus hatch sport has more but cost less. Except for the horsepower/torque.
I haven't watched the video yet but I have been waiting for your impressions of the car - compared to any other TH-camr/journalist. Looking forward to it!
After 20,000 miles on my '17 SI, I am okay with the engine, but thrilled with the handling. And the overall car. With proper technique, sport mode on, corners fast and flat. Even rotates nicely, with good turn in. And I haven't even driven it yet with the stability turned off.
I have a 2020. I love it. At 5,000 miles in, I have no buyer’s remorse and no regrets. And most of your hopes for the mid-cycle refresh happened. My only mod will be a K&N Cold Air Intake.
I love this honest review, not everything is best not everything is lovable, I wanna know what a consumer will say to these products , not I love it she love it we all love it! I brought a 2020 civic si after watch all of civic si reviews, and I find your review utterly most trustworthy( I did fked up the paint a little bit by drying the TriX on the paint tho....)
Good point, stupid out of touch marketing by Honda, yeah the engine runs on water, its almost as dumb as the stupid ECON button on the dash that nobody uses. Similar to Fords ECOboost engines, when the boost comes on, I can assure you there is no ECO. Rather have a naturally aspirated v-6 engine any day over a turbo 4. Great engines by Honda, to bad they are not offering theV-6 in Accord anymore.
Love your videos bro, especially the undercarriage. I enjoy watching you & Scott carry on about stuff & all the goofy things that he comes up with - little fans, lol! I actually like the styling of the new Civic sedan. Those big vent things on the Si look good on the hatchback, but not so much on the sedan. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. For some reason the styling makes me feel the same way I felt back when the 1982 Toyota Supra came out, which was Japanese styling at it's finest. The tacked on fender flairs were ridiculous, but it worked. It was awkward, different & challenged your thinking - same with this Si. I saw a pristine 84 Supra just the other day & it looks better now than it did back then...
I think this car holds a special place in my heart. My dad has one and I learned to drive a manual in it and it’s the first sports car I have ever drove. I look forward to when my dad lets me drive it somewhere once a week because I destroy backroads it’s awesome. The lsd makes it so easy to handle because you don’t have to handle as much underwater and oversteer.
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Finally someone who actually appreciates cloth seats! Leather isn't always the answer! I love a good set of cloth or sport cloth seats. They can feel better, last longer, and even look better.
802 Garage ya i love cloth seats. Even better with heated seat option. Leather is a joke here in AZ yet anytime you want the high end engine they force you to buy leather seats. Annoying
If opt for perforated leather seats you won't feel hot and sweaty as regular leather seats plus leather if you look after them can look good after many years and they won't smell or get soiled like cloth seats.
Rudy F most times only one version of a leather seat is offered by an automaker. Most times its not perforated. Leather burns, must be maintained like a baby. My cloth I dont do anything to maintain them and after 9 years besides fading from sun they look brand new. Comfortable immediately upon sitting on them in all weather.
kadie1414 my choice, if possible and normally an extra is Alcántara.,👍
I will say I like the leather interior in my Eclipse GSX... but the awesome 80s cloth interior in my MkI MR2 definitely beats it.
I have a 2014 SI, i love it, best car I have owned and I am 62, never too old to
have fun
haha nice. I plan on driving manual til im old enough to be able to legally drive lol.
My fathers 70 in 2 days and he loves mine haha
I'm 80 and drive a 17 Si. Before that I had a S2000. Driven manual most of my life.
Great review!
I watched this video before I bought an Si (coupe) and I watched again after owning the Si for a month. I have to say that your review is the most accurate review of the Si on TH-cam. Spot on!
It was very very informative on so many aspects!!!!
It's been a while. How do u still like the SI?
jimmydaves nothing against the si, but you should just go for it and buy the type R!
Minh Vu the type r looks ridiculous. I have the 18 si sedan in black 100% stock and I love it. One of the most fun cars I’ve ever own
Jonathan Fernandez that’s awesome, I’m happy for you!! Yes, the type R is very aggressive for sure but if the sport and si model wasn’t so close in performance that I would have regrets if I wonder if I’m missing out on so much fun!! Too bad the Si doesn’t have 240 horse power, I would totally buy it!
Just to let you know, yesterday while walking the dog, it started to attack some geese. I stopped him and yelled at him to show some respect. That's how much we respect you around here, Savagegeese.
+ErwinSchrodinger64 hahaha thank you for that!
savagegeese your reviews are great man. I'm thinking about getting an Hfp Si in black at the end of the year. Your review may have just sold me.. Do you think this car would've been that much funner for you if you had Hondata / intake /exhaust?
@@savagegeese how did you get your name out of curiosity?
ErwinSchrodinger64 - I think you made that story up.
Yeah why wouldn't you tell your dog not to attack other animals?! Smh
After buying the 2018 Si in June and driving it almost 2 and half months, I have to say this is an amazing car. I have done several trips back and forth between Northern California and Los Angeles, and this thing flies, doesn't matter how steep the inclines or curvy the roads. After driving a 2006 Camry SE V6 for the last 13 years, it took some time to get used to the 6 speed manual, and other than the infotainment system which I hate, I love this car. One thing I have to say, this is a car that rewards you for pushing hard on it, but when you have to drive it normally the young speed demon in you starts screaming and wants to break out. On the freeway I am always hitting 80 mph plus without realizing it, I know one of these days I am going to get a ticket, and that is when I wish I had just bought another Camry....
@Mirz_786 any mods done to it yet? K tuner does wonders on it!
I bought a 2016 Civic Ex-T a year ago before they announced the SI. I obsessed over the SI for nearly a year, until my local dealership finally got one, and I said screw it and took the plunge. What an upgrade! I just turned 40, and only now have I become interested in cars thanks to something called a "mid life crisis". I was just cruising TH-cam watching reviews of my new penis extension, when I came across your content. Not only did you righteously affirm my love of my new car, but I found your delivery and knowledge to be top notch compared to anything else I'd watched. I will definitely be recommending your channel to anyone who will listen. Keep up the good work.
At first I thought that penis extension thing was weird. But now idek after this guy commented 🤦🏽♂️😂
@Shuffle3956 Let me know too, I'm not in my 30s, but it may come in handy later on.
i have to agree. alot of YT car reviewers end up having a hint of subjectivity. this felt objective. and it was a nice change of pace
This video gave me the confidence to buy my 2018 civic si and I love it. Thank you
I am looking to buy one now, how is it still holding today?
I've been lovingly driving my fully stock 08 Si since I was 16 from 4.7 miles on the odometer all the way to 147k (first and only car), and I've not felt the urge to buy another vehicle until I started to see how glowing the reviews are of this new generation. I don't need a hauler, I don't need 400 or 500 horsepower, and I certainly don't need reliability questions. All I can say is, I went last week to test drive a 2018 and it gave me a warm, bubbly feeling. The seating position, the position of the shifter and pedals, the sightlines, the throws, they all were wonderfully familiar. There are sure differences both mechanical and electronic, and I do strongly dislike the fake mesh work on the front and rear, but that emotional feeling is something that nothing's going to be able to match for me. I was incredibly pleased with how well the return to form panned out here, and despite my misgivings about Turbos, styling features and some other nit noity issues, it just felt good in a really intangible way. Honda has made it incredibly tempting to slide the 8th gen into the secondary role as a second car and enlist the 10th.
I really like the foot cam on your corner shifting! I just got my first manual car in years and it's so hard to get a good heel/toe worked out. Also, great point about the Si being an everyday car, not a race car.
Keep up the great work!
I have had my 2018 Si coupe for 9 months now. I love it. For me the fuel economy + fun ratio was important because I drive a lot for business. I am averaging 37 mpg with about a 70/30 highway to city ratio. As an older buyer, one of the reasons it gets criticized was why I actually favored it... a quiet engine. If you are driving a lot you don't want to hear noise all the time. I personally love the styling from the side and front and the coupe is for better in the back. In terms of driving, it is super fun. Rhis car loves to turn at speed. I go out of my way to find the curves. Storage is great in the center console. Personally, I don't care about the volume knob, but I do wish I had waited for the the parking break fix in 2019. It is hard to know if it is on. Overall, this car has made me a Honda enthusiast. It is clear they listen to their customers and pack in value for dollar.
In the city, it should be good for mid 40s
4:49 Lol thats why I love this channel (besides the bomb reviews)
Alex Johnson good way to test the back seat when you are car shopping lmao
They truly sneak something like that into every video if you're paying attention. Best part is you never know what it's going to be. Humping the front passenger seat from behind... playing "Farting In The Wind" in the SRT8 (visible on the infotainment screen)... or exclaiming how well a trunk can hold all the luggage, camera cases and dildos you can throw at it. Best car review channel is best.
Cringiest shit I’ve ever seen
Sam K its only cringy if you have 4 brain cells.
Alex Johnson mmm
Mr Goose: I own the 2017 Si Coupé. You're dead right about the parking brake, seat heater on shift, and volume knob. I'd add that the clutch action is a little funky. The seats ARE awesome. The LSD is killer. The vehicle dynamics are great. Mine doesn't surge in fourth gear--It seems I'm always in that gear around town. I can cruise the freeway all day long at 80 mph and 40 mpg. Watcha gonna say--Haters gonna hate. I'm really impressed by this car, and relieved you like it as much as I!
I also own a 2017 si coupe. I drive like a mad man in town, and do 80mph on the freeway all the time, and still getting 34 mpg. This car is unbelievable. Doing the same thing with a GTI and you would be looking at 20 mpg and a trip to the car shop every other week.
How do you guys feel about the rev hang? Does it cause the car to lurch forward a lot on 1-2 shifts?
I own a 2017 GTI and with a roof rack at 80 mph I get 33mpg. I'm not sure what reviews or biased internet forums you've been reading, but GTI's are extremely efficient. Oh and its wayyyyyyyyyyy more reliable than my focus ST. That thing was at the dealer every two months. With a roof rack I could never get more than 27 mpg with it. Lay the rear seats down flat in the GTI and you've got almost a truck bed of storage space in the back. Open your eyes man, the GTI is phenomenal as is the new SI. I'm glad Honda finally discovered turbo chargers. If the SI was more of a true hatch, I would have considered it more. Love the blue paint.
@@NeightrixPrime
Gal I used to work with had a 2012 tC, she hated it, it was at the dealer with problems more than she drove it.........
@@motorcitymanman7711 probably a lemon. My 2012 scion tc is at 100k miles with ZERO problems since I drove it off the lot at 5 miles. Now im looking to upgrade to potentially this si or a wrx but I can't make up my mind.
Savagegeese's reviews are so refreshing. Humor, honesty, and great production. Love it.
Just bought the SI...awesome package for the price...and I love the styling.
Test drove a 370Z, WRX and GTI and the civic is the one I kept going back to for every day driving fun and livability.
GTI was a close second but I already have a Golf (and the problems that come with owning a VW). I also think the GTI is so boring although very capable.
Thanks for all the great reviews.
Rex Tex
Are you still happy you bought the Si over the GTi and WRX?
I'm in between these 3 vehicles.
I keep going back to the Si because of Honda reliability/resale value and the fuel MPG numbers...
Good choice. Its awesome bang for your buck
syedlink27 If you’re planning on daily commutes and practicality, the Si is great. The WRX is nice but it definitely chugs fuel and overall reliability is suspect (I own one). If you live in a heavily congested area, you may find the Honda a lot more manageable to drive in traffic when compared to the WRX. I’ve never driven a VW, let alone a GTI so I can’t help you on that. I know your comment was 8 months ago but just wanted to chip in.
Fantastic review. I'm 52 yrs old and probably don't fit the usual profile for this car. I was looking for an economical commuter car that has a "fun" factor. This car has exceeded my expectations. Reminds me of my 2005 RSX with a more useable torque curve. It's the perfect blend of modern tech, sport, and economy.
If you want to amp things up, get a Ktuner from Two Step Performance and a cold air intake from 27WON. You will NOT be disappointed! How's 255 HP and 295 LB-FT sound? It hits the mpg's for an average decrease of 1-1.5 mpg. (for me) I am 47 and this may very well be my mid-life crisis, LMAO! I bought my 2018 for all the same reasons as you did, but did some research and discovered a true wolf in sheep's clothing. It IS effortless. Oh, and don't forget the leather wrapped shift knob at 27WON Performance. No more burning the palm in the summer!
Dang I had my '05 RSX for 14 years, sold it last year and miss it, and now I'm looking at used Civic coupes haha. Nice to know someone else is having a similar train of thought. Oh, and I am 54 - certainly not the typical Civic buyer lol.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m a soon to be 50 year old who used to have a 2000 integra gs-r it reminds me a lot of it, particularly the way it shifts and handles, except there’s much more power lower in the rom range
I also like how the sedan only weighs 17 more pounds from the coupe, so I can still feel sporty yet have more practical room
This review was a huge help in my decision to buy the new Si. As a fellow S2000 owner, and previous 8th Gen Si Owner I appreciate the info and take on the new one. Having had it for a few weeks, I will agree that it's probably the best Si ever made.
This is one of the most genuine reviews I've ever seen. This guy tells it like it is.
After a ton of research and looking at lots of reviews (including this one), in June 2018 I bought a Civic Si. I completely do not regret it. Some of the annoyances of this car, such as not so smooth shifting, throttle response off the line and turbo lag etc. were easily fixed. Ktuner with Two Step Performances stage 1 tune fixed the performance issues, changing out the OEM Manual Transmission fluid with Amsoil Synchromesh made shifting and the transmission extremely smooth, and upgrading the shifter rocker with an Acuity Rocker upgrade reduced the gate spacing making shifting tighter and brought the gears closer together. I recently added a performance exhaust, so basically spending a little over $1000 completely revamped this car bringing it to a level that Honda probably should done as default
Wait, the shifting isn’t smooth? Honda’s are very smooth in my experience but I’ve never driven an Si.
By chance do you know if Amsoil offers something for CVTs? I’m at about 45k on my ‘16 and need to pull the trigger on the 7-quart swap.
@@snail415 just in case someone runs across your question, the answer is yes. I used it and was impressed it did the job, but to hard to find around my area so I went back to Hondas fluid. That cvt went almost 250k miles ( think it was 235k)when it went .
Love how you point out the stuff that other car reviewers skim over or skip.
I'll be looking for a new car in the near future and any car that screws up the HVAC and audio volume is instantly off my list. The driver should never have to take their eyes off the road so the manufacturer can make a "cleaner" cabin
"Theodore, why are you cherry picking awkward angles? Well it's because I can. I'm making the video."
Hahaha, yes!
That was one my favorite lines for sure lol
@savageese, Hey man I also agree those vents are soooooo freakin' ugly and it's like on the back too why? In fact, it's this reason along with no LED front headlights in USA that's preventing me to buy it. Perhaps next refresh they will~ =(
That line earned my sub lol
the coupe rear vents look much better
Dalton Elliott I like his reviews I sub to
Such a unique way to review a car when the underside quality is so important. Kudos!
I'd love to see a vehicle that Turbowski actually liked and got excited about hahah
Porsche!!!!
Ryan Moyer not gonna happen lol
Hellcat
He gets excited over a turbo PT Cruiser
Don't forget the Lexus RCF.
Just re-watched this. Still spot-on all these years later. Continue to appreciate my 10th gen Si going on year #4 now
Any mods or tune or just been running it bone stock all those years? Only wondering bcuz im considering it on my 2018 i got 8 months ago lol
Thank God you're back - You could have reviewed the 2018 Chevy Polyp and I'd be here, hanging on every word.
Score - 10.0
P.S. - Not that epoxy flooring or track lighting isn't exciting...
The Dellaplane reference is brilliant and fkn funny. The honest and direct reviews are very much appreciated too.
I have an base 2006 A3 Hatch 6-speed I've owned for 11yrs. . Someone ordered it and backed out. I got it for the price of a golf when 2007 came around and no one would buy a manual car. I've test driven the 10 gen twice & am impressed w the total package, price is amazing. I'm jumping ship on the A3 for this new Si! Btw this is the best Si review I've seen yet. The only one Ive subscribed to. Total gearhead flavor. Thanks for your work Savagegeese you nailed the overall " best of all past Si's driverness" of this 10 gen Si. I felt same on my 2nd solo test run. Btw A3 2.0t was engine of the year for 5 years in Germany before imported into the states. It was put into the Gti in 2010. 0- 60 6.7. The new si 1.5 t is the A3 2.0t only bullet proof. It should the jewel of an engine mr. Honda would be proud of, as designing small engines with efficiency of motion, inherently built in, was his forte.
Epic reviews... this guy is my new favourite car reviewer... so knowledgable, so honest and so genuine, going to have to go back and watch his other reviews! Keep up the good work sir.
I don't regret buying my 17 Si at all.
Clemson Patriot are you 17?
How tall are you?
Are you handsome?
Are you high right now?
Do you ever get nervous?
One of the few channels where I consistently watch longer videos from start to finish. Still loving the reviews.
Not doing a Type R? I'm impressed. Looking forward to this. Good to see you.
#360pSquad
802 Garage It turns into a Type R at 1080p
I know everyone on the internet hates the styling of the new Civics, but I've owned a Civic hatch (Sport Touring) for a few months now and I've had a ton of people actually come up to me and compliment the looks of the car. Usually it's something like "That's a Civic? That's really sharp!"
Granted, that is not at all why I bought the car (I thought everyone IRL would hate it as much as the Internet would). I think it just goes to show that maybe us car enthusiasts take things a little too seriously sometimes. Yes, the fake bumper vents are stupid, but to the average person, they make the car look cool and give it a lot of character that is missing in more humbly styled cars.
I liken this car's styling to the Fast & Furious franchise. Yes it's over the top and stupid, but I like it anyways.
splewy I agree. Aside from the bug rear "vents" the overall look of the civic hatchback and coupe are fresh and sporty.
Agreed. The car looks a hella of a lot better in person.
YES! I have a 2017 coupe Si and I get several questions like “that’s a civic??” I love how sometimes it attracts some older gentlemen that are more biased towards cars from their generation at cars and coffee.
@@andreyvillones5318 I've been asked many times if that's a Civic, regarding my SI.
The hatch, IMO, has better proportions than the SI in sedan form, considering the bumpers (both front and rear).
Love my 2019 SI Coupe ( 30 lbs. Lighter than the sedan).
I bought my 2018 10th gen because of this review. You were truly fair with about the whole thing and I appreciate the honesty.
His monotone voice and dry humor are the best combo💀💀 "3lbs of skin and dust" lmao
This is the review that pushed me to buy my 2018 Civic si. Thank you for your awesome reviews you savage avian.
Those so called " vents " are probably one of the ugliest add ons to a car. Not a fan of it at all but overall the civic is a great car
Completely agree. Those tack on pieces are right out of the Pontiac styling elements catalog of the 90s. The Fire bird did the same thing and folks hated it then too. I'm honestly curious as to how these design elements get okay'd.
Literally RICE.
Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements.
I'm fine with some factory styling to look fast, but I cannot stand form that doesn't follow function at all.
Rear vents, and it's neither mid-nor-rear-engined which are the only cases where they'd possibly be functional.
Brian Fru seriously. I was in the market in early 2015 and wanted a si because i was selling my 2000 civic si but test driving it and just looking at it i couldnt stand that front end. Its so ugly. Happy they styled it alittle less ricer aggressive but im happy i went with my 2014 gti. Should have been a no brainer though for me since i get paid to work on my own car under warrenty lmao. Honda needs to fix their shit man...they lost it. The honda accord coupe was the best but they got ride of the two door. So stupid
This is what differs this car from other boring shit, this is the best design ever made, depending from what perspective you look at it
I'm still in awe why you don't have more subscribers. Production value is outstanding. It took me a bit to get your sense of humor. I'll support you on Patheon
I wish the Si came as a hatchback. The Sport hatch is MUCH better looking.
Omar Carrasquillo agreed
Very subjective. Sport hatch looks like a lob sided blob to me.
Also very subjective. Si may be faster and is more so for the track than the sport, but it has an HDMI exhaust, but I do like the wing. though. Lol. Besides, most Si owners from what I've seen are salty mainly because the sport hatch and Si look so similar interior and exterior and there isn't as much "exclusives".
But the Si has power, suspension and shifting. Not only that, the color tonic yellow pearl can also be found on the regular Civic coupe minus the power. On the Sport and Sport touring hatch, they both literally have the same tires 235/40R18 while most of the civic line is at 215/50R17 or 215/50R16. And on the Civic couple, the rear is the same while the hatches are different in terms of the "fake" vents.
I have the sport hatch, but of course the Si is better, not because of the looks, but because what it delivers in terms of performance. (And because of the infotainment system). With the Si, you're getting the best of everything. On the sport especially, you're actually limited on the infotainment system, but that depends on the driver.
@LastRaven So... you nit picked out one point out many points I made? Lol. I got you.
1. That was an observation [I personally have seen which is subjective] from people who also own Si's.
2. But does that mean ALL Si owners are salty because the sport hatch and the Si are the same even though it says "most"? Obviously not because it doesn't state "all".
3. You many not care but that doesn't mean other Si owners don't care and vice versa.
4. This.. is.. all.. subjective.. mate.
Omar Carrasquillo
I very much agree. Honda really fucked up by not making a Si version of the Hatchback. I mean with a few mods the Hatchback isn't any different than the Si in my opinion. If they slapped a Si symbol on the Hatchback Sport I bet you everyone would be buying that hatchback instead of the lame sedan. Thats why they didn't make a "Sport Injected" version of the hatchback.
This review helped greatly in making a '19 Si coupe my daily driver. Plus I got the ultimate compliment from my 13 year old nephew, who asked me to pick him up from school, specifically so he could show off and say to his friends "Gotta jet. My ride's here." Thanks!
Just wanted to say thanks for the review. Definitely helped me in my decision to purchase a new Civic Si.
Bro your explanations of how you feel about a car, is fantastic. It's just as good as some of the best reviews I've ever seen, so glad I subscribed.
So after owning the 2018 Civic Si for a month now, I have to say that this is an amazing car. Here are the pros:
sporty look
Comfortable and spacious seating
Lots of storage space, spacious trunk
Thought out interior design
Super responsive 1.5L engine
6 speed MT
amazing handling and cornering
very quiet engine (for being so small)
Now the cons:
removal of buttons for simple tasks put into the Infotainment system
annoying notch sound when shifting into second and sometimes 4th
ECU interferes when accelerating hard off the line
My biggest complaint is basically the same complaint I have for all new cars. Why the hell do you take away the buttons and knobs for the AC and radio? If I want to adjust the fan or the AC settings, I have to go into the climate screen and make those adjustments, which can be distracting while driving. I just want a fricken button or knob, like in my 2006 Camry. I don't mind the screens for other functions such as adjusting certain functions or for my backup camera, but for stuff we do everyday, there should be buttons and knobs, or just knobs and buttons! Other than that, this is a pretty awesome car that is fast, responsive in the lower RPM range, and rewards you for going hard without sacrificing to much gas mileage. I took it on a trip between the Northern California bay area and LA, and it was comfortable to drive, did not slow down a bit on hwy 152 and the Grapevine (those of you who live in California know about the Grapevine!) and easily kept up with the big boys like the Charger and Mustangs, and surpassed them on the curvy roads of hwy 152 and the Grapevine!
Hecker pass is where I test my 2018 civic Hatch. Gotta say it loves the turns. HWY 17 is even better. I couldn't believe how fast I could go on those turns to the point I was keeping up with BMWs and Porches going at least 80MPH
My next attack is on HWY9 and HWY35 and HWY84
I'm sure the Si handles a little better than my hatch but I'm having tons of fun and getting amazing MPG all around.
Mirz_786 I couldn’t agree more. Those are the best roads in the Bay Area to put this car and it’s engine to the test. I can’t wait to get one myself except I hate all this Honda sensing crap that’s being put on the new 2020 models. When I get one, the first thing I’m going to do is get a Hondata and disable the infamous “Rev-hang” issue. Next mods will be a PRL intake then a nice MAP Catback or MagnaFlow Exhaust.
@@mr.tuckers2848 the stock SI exhaust flows and sounds pretty good.
I just bought an 18 SI and I have to say that your review is by far the most genuine and on point. I pretty much agreed with everything you said, if you're looking for an honest review on the 10th gen SI this is it. Good job
I left an RCR video to watch this. Thats how you know I was excited.
wtf never seen a better car review on youtube.. you actually lifted the car too !! Subscribed
The 10th gen chassis is definitely the best handling civic platform we've seen, but the motor is just so bland. The soul of these cars was always the ultra responsive, high revving motors. I really can't imagine these chassis improvements are really worth sacrificing the thing that made sporty Hondas so enjoyable.
If you look at the old Integra Type R or Prelude SH's, the chassis was equally (if not more) important. There's a reason why those cars were heralded as "the best handling FWD cars ever." They had great chassis with independent suspensions. The 10th gen has a great chassis with an independent rear suspension like those old cars. You can't add an independent suspension in the after market. What you can add is power.
+Crispin Sugita adding power does not necessarily add character. I wish they would've kept exhaust vtec on this engine. The same way they did with the new type r engine
The Integra type R was an Amazing car. It holds up well even today.
The key to the DC2 Chassis is far more complicated than simply being IRS (every si for the past 2 decades has also been IRS), but I see your point. Chassis dynamics are important, especially if you're talking about something like a type R. But the soul of a performance Honda is in it's motor, particularly when we're talking about Si's which historically have been much more about their motor than their chassis.
The issue with this car isn't power, it's character. The car is only slightly slower than the previous two generations, but it's missing ALL of the character. There has been no shortage of good handling FWD cars for the past 20 years, and that's especially true today. Honda's offerings have often been slower than these competitors but Honda has always delivered an extremely special feeling, frenetic power train. With this advantage ceded, Honda is competing in a field of other DI-T cars that handle well with no defining attributes to elevate this Si.
Sure, the car handles better, but with it's distinguishing feature removed, why buy an Si over it's competitors that also handle very well?
Good point.......I find it hard to believe that the new Si is a better all around car than Even the Fiesta ST.
Your reviews are the best because your not bought and paid for by anybody! I currently own a Fiat 500 Abarth and could easily see myself in one of these down the road. I previously had a CRZ (6MT) and 2010 Fit sport (5AT) and I always felt like I was driving quality with some fun built in, this new Si ties everything together. I know I would upgrade the tires to say Conti DWS06's and add a decent exhaust and K&N typhoon intake like I had on the CRZ and FIT and call it a day!
Keep up the good work, it's much appreciated!
+Klasse Act The last gen Fit is a great car. Needed an extra gear though. The CRZ would have been great if they had a non hybrid option. I never got to drive the HPD supercharged model. The Abarth is fun, this car has less personality but better all around. Good car choices. Let me know what you go with.
The sixth gen... Oh yes. That was my high school life in a nutshell. F bodies and Civics with mad subwoofers in the trunk... I'm in the nineties all over again. That said, I'm in the "dig it" camp when it comes to the Civic's overall styling (but I completely agree about the fake intakes/vents). Great review. Really digging the style you've carved out with your channel.
JAX same here bro I worked at blockbuster to save money for my 99 civic si in HS. Those were the best. Single deck pioneer CD player had all the ladies in my ride back then :D
I'm pretty sure the intimacy began in the back seat. Love your cannel guys
i bought the 2019 civc si sedan model in blue, love it so far.
Best reviews on the internet, period.
After seeing the engine when the civic first came out, the mess under the hood and the problem they had with the piston wrist pin clips made me decide that they cheated out or didn’t care.
When the civic first came out? You mean this one?
Would love if you could do an 8th gen Si video. Your attention to detail and no bs approach is very very refreshing. Hope you get many more subscribers mate !!
I can’t be the only one that finds these oddly soothing
I find it very soothing to watch hrs and hrs of SavageGeese.
Therapy for sure
Perfect analogy! I have a 2020 Si and love it. Bought it based somewhat on your opinion. Great job!
The rev-hang is unforgivable. And I love Honda.
Leuff a tune fixes that easy
Not Honda's fault. They have to comply with regulations. They aren't the only company doing it
From everything I have seen it is because of the dual mass flywheel. It is worse at high rpm for sure. I have to granny it to rev match or say screw it and shift to the next gear fast and take some clutch wear. Low rpm it is much better.
Just bought my ‘19 Si, volume button included lol. This review pushed me to get it and I’m happy as hell. Now all I need to do I wait a couple thousand miles and the mods will begin 😁
Sounds like it has a great FWD chassis, sufficient power, and good economy. Doesn't really get much better at this price point.
I traded in my 4Runner for a used 2018 Si with 11k miles. This video was a great resource. I've had the car for about 2.5 months. Already racked 7000 joyous behind the wheel. Getting ready to put some winter tires on for the Chicago winters!
Wow, honestly I didn't expect you to like this as much as you did. I honestly thought that owning a 6th gen civic and an S2000, you'd really not be a fan. Most people talk about how uninspiring and dull the motor is. I didn't like the way this thing felt so "unwilling" to rev out. The sound was uninspiring and the power felt like an on/off switch. Either you made decent power in the midrange going full bore or you made nothing below ~3000. It didn't feel sharp to me like previous N/A motors. Shifting with the rev hang became not so fun because of the rev hang and the boost cutting out between shifts. I think you made a good point about this being one of the best Civics ever made (arguably), but I don't think it's one of the best Si's ever made. It's a good Civic for sure. It's a good Civic Si-lite, so to speak. This is what the Sport should have been, but as an Si, with that badge comes along a series of expectations and heritage for engaging driving experience that Honda used to do so well. I think it hasn't achieved that in this car, but they made a damn fine Civic in it's own right. So bottom line, I think it's a great Civic but not a great Si
+maximus9401 I 100% agree, its the best Civic. On paper and for real it bests the previous gen in terms of refinement, fit and finish, quality, safety, efficiency, speed, performance. But the new Si is not as fun as the previous gens. Old Honda is dead, gone. Its sad but true and with modern cars its becoming all the same, eco turbos.
Now, this car feels more sterile than it should and I think thats what people hate. But I think Honda is trying to give it personality, its not a snoozer. About the only cars with more zest are the fords. I find the 6th gen Si more fun and Id rather own that but if someone was looking for a new car this Si is good for what it is, modern Honda Eco fun car.
This video was one of the reasons I bought a ‘19 SI. Thanks man!
Civic Si is one of the better economy cars out there
I’ve owned a 3rd gen Integra then an RSX and a 2008 Civic Si which I loved the most. I now drive a sporty V6 AWD family car because I have a family but miss the the Civic Si. I still like to see videos like this to see what the Civic Si is like now. Great review.
Designers took sleeping pills.... LOOOOLLL I DIED
Best car review Chanel out there
I really wish car companies would stop putting carbon fiber in interiors. It's just not an appealing look to me. Even if it's actually real carbon fiber, I don't like it. The exception is if it's a car where they're trying to shave every bit of weight they can off the car. But when it's only put there for aesthetic purposes, I don't get it.
I personally don't like the look of carbon fiber inside cars either. If it's the only option and it is purely cosmetic I find it silly but I do like that it is an option to choose from. I feel much the same way about alcantara. It has its place but it wears incredibly bad and feels like hard plastic when worn down. The reason of my dislike mostly comes from Porsche. Alcantara costs about a tenth of what leather costs to produce but they charge the same for both.
+brettcastro97 Its a gimmick. I agree.
brettcastro97 yeah it really isn't that great
No more carbon fiber trim! No one ever likes it stop using it!
I like it.
I’m a VW guy and I love everything about this car. Nothing wrong with it in my eyes.
I disagree, i think the car looks beautiful. the new accord also looks amazing.
Best car content and host on the youtubes. Keep it up!
I think the Si should've been released closer to the release of the standard cars. It's hard to be excited about this car with the Type-R coming at nearly the same time. Everyone needs to take notes from Porsche on these release schedules.
+Jan-Michael Franklin I agree, all Civics should be setup this way. I dont see it as an Si.
savagegeese 90's Honda (You know, the company that had big balls?) would've done it that way!
Worked on me though. I ate a little money and upgraded. Don't regret it one bit.
Thanks for all great reviews that you guys are doing
Nice review. As I grow into my 40s, I tend to agree with this review. Gone are the days where I am going to mod the crap out of a car, but just want something fun, something with a lot of power down low, and something i can tote kids in. I don't want to have to rev the hell out of it to get power like the old Si of yore. The adjustable dampers, the LSD make this the perfect FWD car in my opinion. The lack of manual ebrake is almost a deal breaker though. Can't decide between this and a WRX. Hmm.....
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My friend has one, and I️ agree, it’s a good car, but I️ feel like it has no life to it. It’s to emotionless, the engine sounds very bland. But that’s just me
Wrx hands down then you get AWD..
I'm curious, which one did you end up getting?
I vote get the SI, do an exhaust swap and a vit viper tune and suddenly your in love for very little money
13,500 miles since last August on my '17 Aegean Blue Si sedan and no issues. Your review is spot on. I find that mileage on highway or longer in town trips is better then claimed, but way worse on very short excursions under 3 miles I screwed up and missed getting it with the summer tires. Trying to wear out the all seasons but the damn things won't die. Handling is still amazing so can't wait to see what this chassis wtill do with good summer tires. For the money there really is nothing else that does so many things right.
I love quiet cars. Ive owned a 2004 Acura tl and i fell in love with how quiet and refined it is while at the same time being able to haul ass. I never find myself wishing i had a blaring loud car.
Your reviews are a class act, a must see for me. Have a blue 2017 SI sedan and 10,000 miles love it. The issues I have- rev hang and pedal
spacing can be fixed(Hondata and Accuity). The handling, braking and everything else are already there.
I'm going to sell my Lancer Evo to get one lol. This is what I have been waiting for Honda to do all my life. A turbo sporty economy car with a lot of tech!
Your going to sell your lancer evo for a 10th gen Si? are you serious and this is coming from an 8th gen Si owner.
Kenny_Fa5 I’m looking to trade in my 2018 WRX base for a 2020 Si
bro what is wrong with the Evo? Those things will always be #1 legendary
Save up get both. Those Evo’s are icons. They’ll probably go up in value someday just like any other old jdm car.
Best review to date you deserve 1m views man
1. The purpose of the small opening on the front passenger vent isn't to let air IN - it's to let the sound of the horns OUT.
2. Pulling UP on the electric parking brake switch and activates the parking brake just like pulling UP on the handle of a mechanical parking brake.
+zroger73 Except you have to have your foot on the brake and there is delay in actuation and release if you dont hold brake long enough. If I want to pull brake I cant, have to get in car and put foot on brake. Fine for auto trans not so much for manual.
you shouldn't use the parking brake anyway unless it's parked on a steep hill. leave it in 1st or 2nd gear. or reverse if the car is pointed down hill. using the brake can warp the rotors or make the brake pads stick to the rotors, especially if you are using a more aggressive compound.
Yes I have found this to be a nuisance. I have a 17 hatch sport. This is my first Honda. We will see in 3 years if it is replaced with another Honda. I wished the hatch sport had more power and the Si brakes and suspension. It wasnt out when I was looking for a vehicle. Seems cheap in some areas. No gages. Thats stupid. Our 16 Focus hatch sport has more but cost less. Except for the horsepower/torque.
Is there any good reason to use the parking brake? I've just been parking mine in 1st like I always have...
Scott Kanerva so your car isn't using the transmission to hold itself in place, I rather wear out a cable than a transmission
I haven't watched the video yet but I have been waiting for your impressions of the car - compared to any other TH-camr/journalist. Looking forward to it!
I love my 8th gen I'm never giving it up
After 20,000 miles on my '17 SI, I am okay with the engine, but thrilled with the handling.
And the overall car. With proper technique, sport mode on, corners fast and flat. Even rotates nicely, with good turn in.
And I haven't even driven it yet with the stability turned off.
At 4:50...... wtf?
Hell-larious! He is def having a good time back there,lol!
I gotta say I love the foot well camera footage!
I love the 7th gen Si.
The one thing i love about Hondas and Toyotas is their great attention to how well the visibility on the road is from the inside.
You didn't mention the GTI until the very end, why do you prefer this to the GTI?
I have a 2020. I love it. At 5,000 miles in, I have no buyer’s remorse and no regrets. And most of your hopes for the mid-cycle refresh happened. My only mod will be a K&N Cold Air Intake.
I agree with you that the 6th and 8th gen civics SI are the best to drive!
I love this honest review, not everything is best not everything is lovable, I wanna know what a consumer will say to these products , not I love it she love it we all love it! I brought a 2020 civic si after watch all of civic si reviews, and I find your review utterly most trustworthy( I did fked up the paint a little bit by drying the TriX on the paint tho....)
Love your Channel bro, was thinking u should do review on a 2018 Honda Accord 2.0t in manual.
This generation Honda Civic Si and Subaru WRX look so beautiful in blue.
To me the coupe looks a lot better. The sedans rear end...blah
505 enthusiast I agree
My first time watching one of your reviews. great work! Subscribed!
I used to own a blue 99 Civic Si, so that's the best to me! Hence my user name.
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Savagegeese just tells it like it is. I love that
Earth dreams technology, because it'll put you to sleep.
Stirling Moss a turbo k24 would be awesome.
Stirling Moss lmao too true
Good point, stupid out of touch marketing by Honda, yeah the engine runs on water, its almost as dumb as the stupid ECON button on the dash that nobody uses. Similar to Fords ECOboost engines, when the boost comes on, I can assure you there is no ECO. Rather have a naturally aspirated v-6 engine any day over a turbo 4. Great engines by Honda, to bad they are not offering theV-6 in Accord anymore.
savage
lmaoo I cant wait to use that on my honda buds!! Good one dude!
Love your videos bro, especially the undercarriage. I enjoy watching you & Scott carry on about stuff & all the goofy things that he comes up with - little fans, lol! I actually like the styling of the new Civic sedan. Those big vent things on the Si look good on the hatchback, but not so much on the sedan. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. For some reason the styling makes me feel the same way I felt back when the 1982 Toyota Supra came out, which was Japanese styling at it's finest. The tacked on fender flairs were ridiculous, but it worked. It was awkward, different & challenged your thinking - same with this Si. I saw a pristine 84 Supra just the other day & it looks better now than it did back then...
They should have made these vents like 10cm deep to make them even look close to legit...
I think this car holds a special place in my heart. My dad has one and I learned to drive a manual in it and it’s the first sports car I have ever drove. I look forward to when my dad lets me drive it somewhere once a week because I destroy backroads it’s awesome. The lsd makes it so easy to handle because you don’t have to handle as much underwater and oversteer.