The Honda Civic Type R Destroys The Competition - The Best Engines
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The Honda Civic Type R crushes the competition, and all for less money. At $35,000, you might not expect the Civic to be faster than the more expensive Ford Focus RS, VW Golf R, and even the limited edition Subaru WRX STI Type RA, but it is. Whether it's acceleration, track times, braking distances, useable cargo space, or efficiency, the Civic Type R puts down incredible numbers.
At the heart of the Type R is the K20C1 engine, a two-liter inline four-cylinder that's turbocharged packing 295 lb-ft of torque, and 306 horsepower. In this video we'll explore the numbers surrounding the Civic Type R, and deep dive into the engine to find out just what makes it so special.
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The amount of good engineering that went into this is absolutely making me moist.
Amazing
*NICE*
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Doesn't matter how good the engineering was. My mustang will gap the type R easily.
Those are the cooling oil jets working
High performance and reliability. Well done Honda! In the Type R for the first 100,000 miles just change the oil and the filters. In other high performance cars, after the first 100,000 miles it is time to change the car. Younger people may not appreciate this but I LOVE how Honda designed this car to have a timing chain vs a rubber timing belt. A rubber timing belt is like a break down waiting to happen and the fact that this timing chain will last the life of the engine is another reason why I am proud to be a Type R owner. Again well done with the video and well done Honda!
With a belt, it’s a maintenance item which if adhered to correctly, should be fine. A timing chain however only gets replaced when it goes wrong, either rattling or when the timing chain assembly has jumped etc, at which point its possibly too late. Also timing chains are heavily reliant on good service intervals, partially correct oil grade. Timing belts aren’t. There are pros and cons for both setups, me personally I’d rather have a belt. Easier and usually cheaper to change, and less reliant on previous owners maintenance.
@@Phil_Moni For the Type R the oil I use is full synthetic 0w - 20w by Valvoline.
@@scott4207 You bring up some good points. For me, after working on cars for more than 30 years I would rather have a timing chain. You bring up a good point about used cars. If you buy one used one of the first things you should do is change the timing belt for piece of mind. After all the headaches of owning old cars I really appreciate buying a new car with a warranty. I just don't have the time I used to to work on cars. When I start my car I just want it to work.
U forgot to mention
The overheating problem with
The r
So I will pass
@@cb400fhonda6 You are passing on an incredible machine. I don't regularly track my car. When I do drive it I do some spirited driving and I have experienced zero over heating issues which is why I am very confident I will have no problems keeping car for a very long time.
Honda engines are very well designed. I've owned a couple Honda cars in the past. I had a brand new 1990 CrxSi in HS, it was so much fun to drive.
Engines good, but the frames around them are extremely weak :(
Frames may be weak but they're super light
ill give them that, a honda civic is only 85 lbs heavier than my swb 2wd ranger, so theyre pretty light
Yes they are! I LOVE my RSX. Fast and reliable
They make the shittiest F1 engines though.
These cars handle unbelievably. I run time attack and a few of these came out and destroyed the track records.
Yea it did. Btw, my cousin have the same exact name like yours. Are you filipino?
@@cooleye8887 lmao
I don’t understand why the way the Type R looks gets so much hate. I love the way it looks. I’d rather drive something that doesn’t look like everything else on the road. When you see a Type R, it catches your eye.
Stefan yea, those fake air vents look awesome.
Mark Kosmala lol like every damn car don’t have fake air vents nowadays
someone else what would you rather be seen in?
You couldn’t be seen in such a car either you can’t afford it or the wife wears the pants in the family
@someone else look is subjective. But type R definitely draws attention either in good or bad way.
The Type R is the best FWD hatch in the world right now It's an engineering marvel by Honda Kudos Honda
That's subjective.
If you like pure acceleration like I do, the Type R is the worst to pick.
If you like track work, then the Type R is the one to go with.
It was a bit too pokey acceleration wise for my taste, especially after driving a Focus RS.
@@jdmandeuroenthusiast5804 All in all, the type r came out on top over the RS in Motortrends hot hatch competition; It's just a better all around vehicle. Additionally, it will be 100% more reliable and dependable. Remember, the RS is still a Ford.
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch LOL overheat? Yeah...it's a track car designed for ROADS AND STREETS with an occasional track day. This is not a car designed for full time track use.
@@djs18 True, but I'm not really brand picky, though obviously I choose JDM most of the time. It's beginning to get more consistent high traps than before. The Focus RS is dead anyways I think. I will say from a standstill, stock to stock, the RS will beat the Civic and it won't catch up until way late, maybe 150mph. Those are top end cars, the RS simply has more TQ/HP. From a roll obviously the Type R wins.
@@djs18 I think the Civic is slow until it gains its stride off the line, so other cars gap it easily especially AWD, it's ET has stayed at 13.7-13.8, but trap has been consistently over 105mph recently in tests.
The Type R is a better car. Not sure which id choose. I don't like FWD much but I test drove an FK8 and it handled like a Lotus. It just felt too slow out of corners, lots of wheelspin, great on the highway for passing.
Just my 2 cents.
Chain drive. Honda claims it is designed for the life of the engine.
Well, if it fails it’s . . . umm . . . the end of the engine
So yes, Honda is absolutely right about that.
Lmao
Eduard van Raalte i have seen Ford timing chains last over 300,000mi on their pickups. My pickup has 225,000 and no issues with the chain. My buddy has a Grom with 2,500 and the final drive chain is toast. My Grom's chain has 3,200mi with 40% life left. Would be more but i just changed again lubes a few months ago. So, regular oil changes, a chain will last a long time.
@@jkutches17 i have a 2008 Mustang GT with the 4.6... I think I changed my chains at around 130k tho. My engine eats oil a bit but it still drives cool and gud
Jupiter Fox! That's because you (or the previous owner) didn't do timely oil changes. They say 8,000mi. That's 8,000 freeway open freeway miles, 5,000mi suburb, or 3,000 downtown San Francisco. My 4.6L 2V burns maybe 1/2 quart between oil changes but i change it every 3,000mi. Timing chain is just fine and i am the second owner.
A Honda engine does not fail😎
This is the best car person I know of who can explain automotive engineering as well. Thank you!
regardless of what you say bout FWD or anything like that, honda know how to make an engine.
The FF platform is a fun one, but Honda NEEDS to bring back the s2000 and put this Type R engine in it in FR configuration.
They can't make a V6 or a V8
@Peder Hansen You forgot cheapest of the four, lightest of the four, longest wheel base, widest track, second largest cargo space, and highest mpg. But yeah, it looks weird.
All that's great, but the days of the ICE are numbered. Electrification is moving in and here to stay. The consumer may no want it (Not yet at least. ). The government however is going to ram it down your throats. Rev'em while you can.
@@tnsd5801 Electric car life cycle will decline as other technologies develop. Electric isn't as efficient as they like you to believe.
You can tell what Jason is thinking during this video.
I want to put this in my s2000
I want to put this in my s2000
I want to put this in my s2000
Dbn Poldermans make the s2k fwd or make the engine rwd either way that’s a hell of a job to do
I think He meant the 2L turbo iVTEC motor
He already has a supercharged 2L in his car. It would be a massive waste of money and time and all it would mean for him is a little less weight
@@isabelle.c011 just change the gearbox.. The stock s2000 engine is just mounted longitudinally with a different box, its just a tuned engine used in most honda fwd's. So take this turbo engine, mount longitudinally (weld new mounting points) and potentially fot the stock s2000 gearbox and youre there.
His engine is probably capable of more power already with an ECU and pulley.
"saving weight with smaller spark plugs"
OK now you're just stretching lol
lmfao went right to the comments after i heard him say that
But that leg room
Look at the Ferrari F40. They claimed the didn't have door handles inside to reduce weight. Weird, I know.
@@DellisHe The F40 had a ton more than just the door hangles striped to save the weight and theres alot more that goes into a door opening than just the handle(they used weight saving wire). I honestly can't believe you are choosing this die on this hill lol
Save even more weight by getting rid of the spark plugs. :))) (Let's see how many of you get the idea)
Hondas been killing with the four banger for a while I believe
Almost 30 years
Since the zc dohc
Like 4 evAr!
@Invisible Trust which car was that
Butters S. 😂
Props to honda, the numbers don't lie. However you can't deny that RWD increases fun-factor enough to sway people away from the honda platform.
it's a shame... if honda made a RWD like the s2000 again it would be nuts
Too bad my old si blew up it would be awesome rwd with this engine
I love FWD and RWD. Have a mustang AND a civic. All love
I put this engine into Toyota MR2 Spyder and boom its RWD.
Not to mention the ugly ricer styling.
The camera work on the engine shots is top notch! I loved the valve cover fade-away to the DOHC. Great video!!!
Thanks! I put in mildly more effort and used a new mirrorless camera. :)
I was going to make a comment on this video but you did it for me!
timestamp wud be appreciated
This is the best Honda commercial I've ever seen
Bill i can actually see your brain
@Pretty Sure RWD, better dynamics better balanced higher traction through curves, get over it.
@Pretty Sure On paper, dry road and middle range temperatures. Every day on the road, the Golf R is way better. In Germany is 5 month cold winter a year and more than half the year the roads are wet. The Type R is just one more overpowered front wheel drive there. Maybe faster on a dry racetrack, but not where I'm driving most of the time.
Yea he just gave everyone the map to beat so my bro took his subi wrx fa20 2.0L to fathouse fab for a software up grade on their 4 roller dyno and gained 70 extra ponies for a total of 305 at each tire ... Its a 2015 with first year 6 speed torque vectoring ..now it gets 25mpg 0 - 60 @ 3.7 sec cost of fathouse fab tune $600 bucks ( cheap in my book) to get 70+hp the old school way cost more than $600 bucks that only paid for a tunnel rams with the carbs plus a cam to back that up another $2k then Set of headman headers with purple horny header glass packs and a lower set of gears cause you lose a bunch of low end torque with two Holley Dominators on a pro stock tunnel ram ...so old school hp is measured in hours spent vs pounds of gold for.. parts ...subi tune cheap and fast
@@joepopes7923 a wrx fa20 will motor you with a fathouse fab $600 buck software tune that givith 305 at the tires and way more torque than that
I have raced a Type R (uphill) and I was incredibly surprised by how it kept going against a bigger engine. It's really some genius engineering TBH.
What engine was it racing?
yeah but it looks like a sony xplode stereo from the 90s.
lol......i thought it kinda looks like a potential space module that nasa might send to Mars
You nailed it. Was trying to figure out what it reminded me of...
😂😂
Don't forget some of 'em tends to display a rear HDMI port from the yr 2000's :[]
Nailed it
"which means it's reliable" omg I'm dying ahahah
LMAO so funny
Don't get it, someone pls explain
Hrithik. D.Prasad Honda last 3-4 (?) years in F1 had* serious reliability problems with McLaren.
* current year have better reliability though and some say that McLaren wanted too much of small package hence the reliability problems. This year with Toro Rosso they have much better in reliability.
Last year Honda's F1 engine was horribly unreliable, This year its a lot better though
Edit: Joke is at 3:36
Lol, great nod to McClaren. I’m sure Alonso would have something to say 😂😂😂
"you can buy it as a crate engine, but only for the track."
What are they gonna do about it if I put it in my road car? If i'm buying the engine, i'll do what I damn well please with it.
Liability reasons
Govt emissions regulations. If you are producing an engine designed for road use it needs to meet all emissions regulations. Hopefully it's just a "I promise I'm putting this on a race car" check box and they don't need proof. Anyone know how Chevy does it?
Sadly, most states that do regular inspections would deem it an illegal engine swap for a street car.
You can stick it wherever you want. But I'm guessing the legalese in the description for purchasing one of their engines has more to do with Federal emission laws then them caring what you do with their engine
@@volvo09 the only thibg it would need is meeting emmisiions so u would have to find a civic type r exhaust system for your car to smog it. Then get the swap approved by the DMV. California is the hardest hows your state?
I’m so glad I was able to purchase a 2018 Accord 2.0 6MT in my favorite color, Black
6:15 "100K Miles, Waterpump *JUST* inspected?"
GTI: " Wait, don't you mean your 3rd Waterpump installation?! Hello what is this JUST inspection? i do not know the meaning of this."
The Honda water pump is one of the weakest links in a Honda and has been for generations. I would check the water pump every 50k miles on the R.
The newer water pumps hold up really well. Only seen a couple of those leak at like 150k plus. Transmissions however are the true Honda weak spot.
@@jayz4dayz763 only on their Automatic, if you're not take care it from the get-go
Honda's Manual pretty much bulletproof
I really did like driving my GTI, but ya, it was a pain in the ass
what are you guys talking about? have only every seen failed water pumps on one model and only affecting a couple years and the automatic transmissions only had problems for the 00-04 v6 models. hell, we have had cars come in that were slipping, did a fluid drain and fill and the transmission started working fine again.
Masterpiece of Japanese engineering
Low bar...
@Adam Fears I'm not even a fan of Honda honestly, I like the front of the car but overall I hate their new styling. But that's simply, the art of engineering!
I was so thoroughly impressed by a recent Accord Touring with the 2.0T it's now probably my next car, it didn't feel far off from my usual v8 driver (besides having to wait a second or two longer to spool up the turbo) on high speed highway passing, and still did 35 mpg without being babied.
Makes me want to get a CR-Z and Type-R Swap it.
shred1894 Honda Fit 😎😎
The CR-Z is a cool looking car
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch x3 super gayyyyy hondas..
that honda f1 roast
Solid burn! haha
Jdm Wong?
blame Mclaren, who got too used Mercedes flexibility. I bet Red Bull will fly with it next year.
Honda f1 machine couldn't even reach 900hp, 881 hp. Not only one of the slowest but also full of problems.
Gp2 engine gp2 engine arrgh
Great video! Now only if they make another S2000 with this engine, and rev it to 9k
SK8215 I’ve heard they are working on another s car but it most likely won’t have the type r engine
@@MissingLinkGTRS that would be nice but that would make the turbo pointless, because some of the reasons for going turbo is power and longevity.
No chance to do that because of the environmental laws
Honda stated earlier in the year, that the s2k will not be coming back. Not any time soon at least.
No, just no.
What a beautiful piece of engineering! I want to swap it into my del sol.
Only if your engine fails... so goodluck with that.
Yep want it in my CRX. The deck height might be an issue though.
"track" Del Sol that is...riiiiight?
put the engine in the back
@@RefianS true the especially since you have to so much fab work to get the k20c1 to fit properly
I own the 2019 Accord 2.0T 6MT; I opted for the Accord because of its calmer looks and more touring-style drive vs brutal track attack car. I know the 2.0T is tamed down in the Accord but it's still a rocker and blast to drive. The transmission is also the same as the one in Type R, just different gear ratios, etc. Bonus is it's $5K cheaper too than the Type R (not a deciding factor but still nice).
Haters will stay say it’s just a Honda. Or it’s just FWD. Give credit where credit is due. 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed haha. I love the Focus RS, but I was pretty shocked Honda was faster around a track.
@@EngineeringExplained
Depends on the track.
Honda's Nurburgring time is bs. No way a Type R is faster than a 997 GT3 RS.
Car and Driver drove both during their lightning lap runs and both ended up with the same time.
There's also plenty comparisons on youtube where the Focus RS did a faster time.
I'll give plenty of credit, it's a great performing car, I'm not a fan of FWD, just a preference
You mean the same way import lovers DON'T give credit to the 6th gen Camaro ZL1 1LE that destroy 6 figure supercars and does it without AWD and without an auto?
It's not that it's a Honda. Honda makes great cars... Just it's like 40 grand after taxes... Which is ABSURD for just a fast Civic. There are alot of normal cars that can probably put down better lap times for the same price. And if they do t out down better lap times, it's gonna be more reliable, efficient and just a better car.
Ya know, I'm not a big gearhead or anything but these videos are cool man, thanks.
Happy to hear it, thanks for watching!
Honda, please throw this engine in a rwd platform. 2 seater in the Honda line and a 4 seater coupe in the Acura line (for the taller folks).
Thanks...
Yeah FWR are slow af, that's why Spoon sport type R is the slowest of all time attack cars... Oh wait!
@@pablogonzalezhermosilla4210 I dont think he said it is slow. Its just fun to have rwd. Drifting is fun. Get something that focuses with rwd. Its just a desire, no hate towards honda my G.
RSM Lifestyle Acura makes no RWD cars
@@pablogonzalezhermosilla4210 Were you just spewing whatever came to your head or did you fail reading comprehension?
I never said they were slow. I've owned every generation civic post 1970s, and a couple preludes. My first autocross car was an ef hatch ffs lol.
Maybe bring back the prelude or s2k
5 years later- I now own a 24’ CTR.
Can confirm video correct. Car good. Car reliable l.
You put that type R engine in your s2000? You know you want to right?
Dylan L why would you want to put a breast faster engine in as an engine swap? Dumbest comment on TH-cam you just made.
Dylan L the K motor is better than the F20.
@@MillerVanDotTV 😂😂😂 the f20c is the best motor from Honda. Way more reliable Evans tuning made 950whp bone stock
Supercharge the S2000 block instead...
@@joseperalta8605 f series are great but the k series actually has more potential. F series stock k series for mods
Some incredible numbers for FWD! I don't even understand how it's so close on acceleration, and even faster in the quarter. The weight advantage doesn't seem big enough
The answer is simple: VTEC kicked in yo!
It dosnt have vtec on intake
FWD has less drivetrain losses so it puts down most of its power so its whp is not that far off from the more powerful AWD competitors.
@@Kh501pr it dose have less drivetrain loss but dose not put down most of its power the tyre r is at the peak or what fwd can handle and get round a track when u start hitting big numbers they are only good for straight line and even then its hard to get them moving
Size of wheels my friend smaller wheels= less rotating mass.
Sold my 2018 White Si to upgrade for a Dark Metallic Type R, no regrets.
Nice. Had a 13' Si then 18' WRX. Just traded the WRX for a 19' type r. Amazing car. Way more fun than the other two
Sold my lunar silver 17 Si for a Championship White Type R....drum roll.....FOR MSRP 😎...NO MARKUP👏👏👏. (and floor mats, ECP detail and package, cargo tray, and Type R hat).
ZERO REGRETS (because race car)
@ZIONISM IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER way better haha. WRX can handle for sure but type r is on a whole new level.
WRX is feels more torque at low speeds but CTR def more at higher speeds. WRX has the awd and safer wheel and tires for daily-ing.
Other than that CTR is way better. Handling, shifter, power, and so much more fun. I even have fun going slow(the speed limit). Just a fun car. Like a go-cart.
@ZIONISM IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER
CTR the most fun i had in a car. Just set money aside for separate set of wheel and tires.
yes i heard. I'll just patiently wait. They say STI will get the FA20 motor like the WRX. They also said WRX will come standard with cvt. Not a fan of what I'm hearing so far.
@@drepop803 They are going to finally "fix" the STI but are going to ruin the WRX in return. You can never win...
The F1 reference is hilarious now. Since Honda is killing it in F1.
Great video still today. Honda had a bad relationship with F1 2 years ago.
They were the engine behind Verstappen's win. Well done Honda.
It is the best engine in its class it keeps pushing all the way through every gears no sluggishness and high revs
Had to pause the video to comment. The Formula 1 comment: "means its more reliable, wait that's not right," had me in stitches. I laughed out loud for a solid 15 seconds. I don't know why that was so funny other than you completely caught me off guard. I'm just glad I wasn't sipping my coffee at the time. Thanks =)
Ha, glad you enjoyed it! A little friendly jab! I think it's great that Honda has rejoined Formula 1, and hope things continue to improve for them.
@@EngineeringExplained Poor you :(
@@tcroft2165 curious to see what kind of package Newey can build around the Honda pu
I've owned an Acura RSX-S, with the almighty K20. Changed the oil, every 5000 miles, along with all the fluids religiously. At 200,000 miles I lost the car in an accident. It NEVER gave me a single problem. I redlined that car to 8100 r.p.m.'s, like a mad man. As much stress at that engine was given, I never once had to adjust the valves. Now that I own an Accord V6 coupe with the 6-speed manual, everyone is saying a valve adjustment may be warranted. I've never heard of anyone doing valve tuning even when the car was brought to the stealership.
Secondly, what type of turbo does the Type-R and who makes it? Is it a twin scroll made my Mitsubishi?
It's likely a mitsubishi turbo, that's what they've used in other turbo applications (RDX)
I never should have sold my RSX-s
I had mine done at 120,000. It's a safe bet to just keep a car running at it's best.
I’ve had my 2006 RSX-S converted to Type R for 8 years now and I’m planning to keep it forever.
Honda's typically have there exhaust valves tighten slowly over time. Not adjusting them usually leads to a burnt valve.
The other car was an Accord.
1982 Hatchback with 5 speed.
1.8 ltr 4 non turbo.
What a smooth little power plant.
I was a young guy in my 20's when I bought this car.
Great car!
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
never got why hector had three cars and three turbos, and one exhaust🤔
Ok let's put one in my 95 civic.
jonah ooten is it a hatch?
It would pull the car apart!
@@paulf1071 if you can swap a LS1 in a civic hatch you can swap the type r.
martinez1701a what about an integra
@@paulf1071 i think you would be surprised lol. Plus its not hard to had some chassis stiffness
The only thing they did wrong with the Type-R engine is not having it in the Coupe.
Or if you want insurance rates that reflect the actual value of the car (though I plan on buy a Civic Si 2dr 1.5T for fuel economy).
Or making the hatchback 5 door smh 🤦♂️
@Garreth Wilcock ..wish the type r came with a deboyracer option to make it look like a civic sport hatch. The sti has an option to delete the ironing board I mean real spoiler
@Garreth Wilcock But I am a 17 year old who stole it
Amen-less doors, less weight, but the trend is for boy-racers to buy autos to tote their babies....oddly enough...as opposed to the ITR of the late 90s and early 2000s. I also wish the CTR had far less exterior "styling cues", or at least an option for less, as most people I talk to about it say.
$35,000 MSRP...
I haven't heard of that thing selling for less that $50,000. My cousin said he paid $53,000 for the Type R.
I'm not going to gift the damn dealership $15,000+.
It boggles my mind how people can just pay such a ridiculous markup.
They don't lookup the price on such an expensive asset before going out to buy one...
Of course Honda's 4 Destroys everyone else...and it will last. What else did you expect?
Except for the engine in the Mercedes A45 AMG.
@@toddstevens8506 This engine is from 2015 LOL. I dont think the new A45 is.....
@@toddstevens8506 lol and the Mercedes will break while the honda will spin and spin for years to come
@@sharmilanraj 2019
@@justinmartin4841 Nonsense, the M139 has been boosted well beyond stock and hasn't suffered reliabllity issues, unlike the Civic R's transmission for example.
Lol Honda’s reliability is actually fairly decent in F1... how times change eh?
Thanks to their partnership with McLaren
@@braydenbrooks1009 honda doesn't need McLaren for reliability.. they make the most and best engines out there. If anything McLaren needs honda.
Do you watching f1 2021? 😝
Honda engine this year got even better, I hope Max takes the driver's championship title and Perez gets better to help in Constructor's championship
Great video. I just got my Accord Type R 2.5T. I love the 372HP and 365ft-lbs of torque.
I really don't' know what car I can buy after the Type R (never selling my Type R), but considering what car to buy next as a second car. The bar is set so high with the Type R that I don't want to be disappointed, I feel like driving anything else would be boring.
Now if everyone will raise their reading material and turn to page... hahaha
Never heard anything but honda engines are the best from any mechanic or engineer.
Because it's true
Unfortunately they have had shitty transmissions
Shitty transmissions? You've never driven a manual Honda. Go drive an S2000 and get back to me.
@@khargan27 Nothing wrong with their automatics either. My point still stands.
Actually honda transmissions are plenty reliable, which is why people use the term “shift it like its a honda” because they can just slam shift it and it wouldnt die. Its the Honda oddysey from the 90’s that had a bad tranny and had to recall almost all of them because of it
I would love to own a Type R, but I just can't get beyond the styling. It's just too extreme for me.
griffojm Import an EK9 Type R ;)
I agree, I think they should offer this in a gimmicks removed version without the faker vents, plastic and extreme wings.......
@@geoffrey2452 I will need something to replace my aging 2004 Acura TSX. If they offer a version as you describe, they will have me as a buyer!
Yah me too. imagine if you put the type r engine into the better looking civic si.....
@@geoffrey2452 Those wings ect actually work amd its been proven. Sure to and from the shops its pointless but lets all be honest, were not all law abiding behind the wheel when looking at performance cars.
I've owned two Hondas way back in the early 80's.
I owned the 1st CRX Civic.
1.5ltr 4
No turbo but it was quick.
Rated @ 76hp in 1984.
With a 5 speed it was a pleasure to drive.
Fast and economical.
I bought one of these and in comfort mode on a motorway run I get 40mpg easy. Even got 45 mpg once. Remarkable engine. (note not US gallons)
That is amazing mpg. I used to brag about my Honda Fit getting over 50 mpg, but most of those miles were on the highway.
Honda is a brilliant company always suprised us.They are taking risks and always had their own way of making cars
They dont give technology and they dont take from anyone the only company that is doing that
Always respect the buyers reliable and honest.
If honda does not race their is no honda
This is the best EE video yet, and the best vid on the Type R and Accord engines as well! Very nicely polished and well-produced.
Your deep knowledge and detailed explanation is nothing but first class. So so impressed. I can watch the video again and again. Kudos. 👍👍
I’ve found that people who dis on the track proven Honda FWD configuration are the type to wrap their RWD cars around light poles in parking lots much. The point is, if you can’t drive to 7/10ths the limit of any car, you have no right to say which configuration is better. The FD2 type-r civics were faster around Suzuka then the S2000 and the NSX . It also made less horsepower. Now, we have a 300hp civic with an even better suspension and aero package.
Smart comment👍
'aero package'... that's one way to excuse that eye sore... lol
FWD rule the race track . The future is here the current engineering for FWD is showing just that , it was just a matter of time
grow up kid. Fwd cars are for pubescent teens.
@@deeplyclosetedindividual function over form
Great video! I watch your channel regularly, but this has been one of my favorites. Good mix of knowledge, commentary and visuals.
People talk about fwd v rwd as if they actually do savage slides in their daily😂
I think fwd is completely practical for a street car and imo more efficient than awd in terms of practicality, cost, and weight.
Haha, truth!
That's true.
It is efficient and practical, but not as fun. Even if you dont slide your rwd car. Feel is quite a bit different. That said, the fact that it’s fwd doesn’t bother me. The exterior kills it for me.
Fwd might be practical but so is rwd.
I won't lie. After going to rwd V8 I will never go back to FWD. It gets me lots of tickets it's so much fun. All winter is the most wonderful time of the year.
The great thing about these videos is that the explanation is clear and explained well so that we are raised up in our understanding and knowledge, rather than dumbing things down.
I always leave here a much more knowledgeable person.
Sodium filled valves, oil jet cooled pistons and forged crankshaft! Ah! Like my 1986 Audi 5000 was....... I a little more reliable thou!!!
I work for a Honda dealership. If you are looking for a comfortable street var that looks good, it does not cost much to make the accord faster then the type r and you get all the luxury of a high trim accord (which is comparable to most luxury cars in quality and amenities).
The cost is pretty comparable as well. The accord is more, but you are also paying for that luxury instead of that "racecar" feel. Type R's are nice. I would love one, but if you want a fast, comfortable street car, the accord wins in my book. Type R wins on the track.
The Accord is best in the high 20's low 30's after that point there are so many better sedan options.
How do you look like a grandpa and a high-schooler at the same time. 😂
Lmao ikr
16 or 60
Looks like someone will fail the class!😆 you are THAT KIND OF” those kids seating in the back start talking trash at end of shool year they are craying because they fail😆
@@svtsuperveloce8559 I've graduated college. Try again. 😂
YEO KETTLE TACO BELL 🔔
I have never given any Honda a second look until the other day I saw a murdered out lowered Honda Accord and I almost broke my neck walking past it. That car was dead sexy.
Honda is my favorite performance sedan/hatch manufacturer. Great power pricing ergonomics and sensibility
Hi. Jason.
I watch your channel regularly and love the videos, thank you so much from Canada, 2 months
ago I start to look for performance car and fun to drive that the working class can afford it because I lived in the cold climate and lots of snow during winter time, my first consideration is 4wd, after watching your other video, you said you might upset sti owner, thanks again for sharing your technical knowledge, so I picked the civic type R with unmistakable and no regret for 60 birthday, peoples often said you too old for the car then so what ?
I’m just curious how he got the entire long block. Like, who is his engine plug?
I asked Honda for it, and they delivered! :) (To borrow, of course, as much as I'd love to stick it in my Crosstrek).
@@EngineeringExplained will Honda let me borrow an engine too?
@Sexist Chicken Give honda a call and the engine will be at your doorstep withing 2 hours
100%
no scam
@@EngineeringExplained LOL!!! That would be awesome!
don't give it back. say you've got another real cool video idea, and hope they forget about it.
I used to own an 09 civic si and also had a 98 del sol with the si motor back in the day. I think it would be hilarious to run one of these civics against my wife's SHO. SHO's have been clocked at 5.0 sec 0-60 , and 14.1 quarter mile in stock form. The grocery getter pulls pretty hard on the top end, it's not slow at all for a big heavy car. From about 65-70 mph roll to about 110-115 she's still pouring the coal, so 140-145 feels very attainable but we've never run it that fast.
I have a 2019 accord and that thang MOVES
1.5 or 2.0? I tested a 1.5 accord sport for a full week. It was fun and fast but not anywhere close to my 2019 Si.
Leatherneck75 1.5
I ran a 2.0t in my almost stock ls1 trans am........they are not fast at all sir 😂 coming from a old Honda guy ...my b18cr eg hatch embarrassed one as well
Rodolfo Munoz 1.5 tops out at 120 and I’m Very upset about that. It definitely gets there respectfully fast for what it is.
kamehamehaX300 😂
Sorry to say this but the civic is marked up at the dealerships. 54k is what Honda dealers sell this thing for. This is why people buy Subaru VW ford. Motor trend has no reports on this. All dealerships thru the US mark this Civic R
At least about half a year ago, the markups were so insane that one would have to either be loaded and just not care, or have a tremendous amount of loyalty to the brand.
Check out HondaProJason on Facebook. He's advertised several at MSRP. There are good dealers out there!
Engineering Explained HondaProJason then deserves some credit for integrity. I loved being told by one dealership that they were doing me a personal favor by only marking one up $5,000, but in order for me to be able to test drive it, they needed a firm commitment from me to buy it before I was able to drive it. It was a spectacular experience of bass-ackwardness.
Dealerships can mark it what they want. I can get you one for $38k out the door here in NC.
@@farhatali4031 Sure - in many States they have all the right in the world to mark it up to high heck (of course it defeats the purpose of the car). My beef is when they list them as "MSRP $35,xxx" on auto websites and then you go there and they have hand-written notes that imply a markup. I experienced this first hand at several dealerships. If their website said, "This car has a MSRP of $34,995 - as it is a limited edition car, we want $40,000," cool, more power to them, and good luck. If they are selling for $38k out the door, then they're conducting more ethical business than what I experienced around here. (Things may have changed now that the car is not quite as new.)
6:25 different between accord's engine , finally !!! thanks
Even the wikipedia page will tell you this
Word, but you can buy the flash pro from the dealer
Noor Mohammed so what if you flash it did you not watch the video? A reflash does not automatically make it a better engine or more suited for driving on the limit...smh.
@@dlombana161 see thats where you dont understand my point. Only reason ill do that is for the track which i mean by drag racing.
Hondas engines are just amazing the technology reliability its so cool to see them squeeze good hp out of a small engine
k20a2 was one of the best honda engines ever :) great vid mate !
K20A *
K20z3😅
Just any high performance K series is good. Best - K24 block + K20 head
@@Kypcia true! I got the k24A3 and i plan to throw a k20A2 later on it ;) destroying up to 300 HP NA cars with just 260-270HP NA Honda engine is something... the best so far i ve seen is 500HP NA 2.7 K series engine, the is a video you can see in youtube, its from a k24 engine!
I own a K20a2,
I friggin love it
Honda boys watching this: 👁👅👁
that's the reason why me and my family love Honda's
Jaelani Makmur So your a kid who has no car?
If they could only make them look good , and ban CVTs than maybe I would consider it.
Honda makes reliable engines, i own a 2009 accord and a 07 cbr1000rr motorcycle, they still kicking with no issues
I love my 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T!!! Great video thanks..
I bet all that tq is fun as hell to drive on.
I've always wondered...
Can the (coupe, 6 speed) 2007 Accord 3.0L keep up with your 2.0T?
@@ajbautista86 Hey bro I beat a 2018 tlx A-Spec with the accord check my channel for videos and the 17 accord doesn't stand a chance thanks!
@@GhadSpeed Yes I have videos click on my picture. Thanks!
Ew
Two Honda Engines the world knows
The Type R engine ( it was awsome )
The McLaren Honda F1 that failed
Honda turned down Mclaren's bid to build them a V12 so they went to BMW for the McLaren F1 engine... Honda did continue building F1 racing engines tho, remember the BAR F1 Honda team..?
pi hermoso No he was talking about a modern 1.6L V6 hybrid F1 engine with a team like Ferrari or Mercedes producing more than 1000bhp that can last for like 1/3 of a season or more per unit. Honda are not even close in terms of horsepower figure let alone in terms of reliability. (Toro Rosso Honda used like 8 engine unit (which is limited to 3 unit per season) and 8 turbo swap for 2018)
Nevermind BAR, it’s the mclaren senna years that brought Honda motors to superstardom
The lifetime timing chain is a pretty bold statement IMO. We shall see.
@InsideOfMyOwnMind I always wonder what manufactures mean by life time. So if it breaks at 180k miles or 8k miles that will also be the lifetime of the engine🤷♂️
Timing chains can last a very long time, ive seen k series with the original chain with well over 300k. I've also seen chains wear and start slapping the valve cover in under 100k. It's a give/take scenario. The chain should require maintenance far less often, but when it's needed it will be far more difficult especially in a fwd.
Is automatically true though because it's a chain once that thing snaps or if it does go wrong the life of the engine stops right there haha so technically it will last the life of the engine LOL
Just change the oil frequently. Not what Honda says in the manual.
They say this as they know the chain will out last other parts in the engine so i guess its true
Hondas engineering is incredible they can make so much power out of a small engine and make it super reliable and cool technology just amazing
Last year we purchased a new 2017 Accord Coupe with the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder. One of the primary reasons for the purchase was the non-turbocharged engine in the higher trim levels vs. 2018 models. Our previous Honda had 260,000 miles with zero issues and the engine did not burn any oil between changes. However the car was totaled (not our fault) so we purchased the Accord. I just do not trust the long term reliability of tubo vs. normally aspirated engines even if they are Hondas. I wonder if Honda or any body has any long term reliability comparisons (actual or MTBF analysis) between turbo vs. non-turbo engines. I would also like to see a comparison of likely maintenance costs as I suspect higher costs for tubo engines
yea, and Honda is new to the turbo charging game.Let's wait and see
Ditto; I shyed away from a turbo'd vehicle and bought a naturally aspirated vehicle instead... like you, for assumed reliability reasons. I think a turbo engine could be designed for high mileage, considering the big-rig turbo-diesels.
It depends. My 1999 saab 9-3 turbo has well over 200k miles on the original turbo. But it depends on the brand. I can trust saab (obviously) because I have both owned one and they have been making turbocharged cars since the 70s and they are known to be some of the most reliable cars on the planet. I would never buy a ford turbo tho because its ford and ive seen countless issues with their implementation, but i might trust honda because they seem to do a pretty good job at keeping things reliable, even if theyre new to certain technologies
my 1990 Eagle Talon TSi had over 200K on the stock Turbo before the Chicago Winters of Salt finally ate through it in 2008
Semi-trucks which routinely run for several million miles on the factory powertrain are now all turbocharged, without exception. I don’t think your concern is a valid one.
I love the jab at their F1 engines 😂😂😂 granted they've been doing very well with Toro rosso now
9th place in WCC, 9TH PLACE
Regarding the timing chain, what is the "life of the engine"? From what I've seen "life of the engine" = life of the engine warranty. If someone puts 200,000+ miles on it they'll have to replace that chain eventually.
Honda has a lot of experience with timing chains in high rpm motorcycle engines on bikes that 'go the distance'..
The other thing I learned today is that the crankshaft isn't lined up with the cylinders. It is offset, so the power stroke has the rod facing straight down, which means there is less lateral forces on the piston head.
Let's perform that same track test in the rain. For science.
Matthew Schiebout and ice roads
All wheel drive will slaughter the civic in the rain. Also front tires will last longer
@@travel5456 i beg to differ. There is already a video about it and the Type R still destroys the competition for lack of a better term.
Why will they not offer this engine in an Accord? I personally would rather have a v6 but I believe this engine should have at least been offered in the 2 door Accord coupe with the manual transmission before they did away with the 2 door Accord.
More aggressive suspension and an lsd would matter much more for the sporting intentions of the accord sport driver
There is too much undeserving hate for this car. "it has fake vents" so what? remove them, fake vents or not this car still beats the competition also needless to say looks are subjective a lot of people said they liked it and that's totally fine.
The only real complaint was made by (bid daddy) Matt Farah when he said it overheats. Other than that this is a sports car in an era where the sports car is a dying breed. Respect honda :)
Plus... every Honda Civic is easy to customize. Don't want fake stuff, remove it with aftermarket or specialized cosmetics designed for Civics.
I wish it weren't so freaking goofy looking. This car has set a new record for fake vents. The rear wing is also excessive. I remember when Honda was known for tasteful, understated styling.
Imagine this engine in an ND Mazda MX-5.
Stick a 13b in your mx5 trust me it will blow any Honda
@@craigharrison7221 yeah it will blow apex seals and blow up.
Love your vids man. Wish Honda would make a successor to the s2000 or a small displacement v8!!!
Agreed!
The freelance designer that designed that car has retired. He also designed the Insight, NSX Ect.
They used to make a 2.4L V8 :)
Or a proper 2 door hatch 4banger like the old eg/ek/ep
They will! That’s why Honda employees in Japan work every day to make your day our day great!
Can you PLEASE do a video on the base 2.0 N/A engine? K20C2
I wonder how much different the base engine is regarding to the internals..?
I can’t imagine it being that much more different since the base engine is a 2 L the type R would be cost-effective to build off the same assembly-line.
Great videos as always!
If only it was AWD. I was going to buy it, but went with the sti for Canadian winters. Lmao I raced a type r on a wet road, my sti completely destroyed it up to 160kph then the type r caught up. It is a really nice car, and very well designed, but I cant do a fwd car in 4 feet of snow.
Tell people how 1.5T CRV generates more oil or gasoline delutes oil, the end result is more fluid in the oil pan over time
A software update and a climate control unit replacement is now available to solve that issue.
1:46 would be true, but those darn dealerships markups.
I was at the Honda dealership yesterday and they had one on the showroom floor with a $8,000 mark-up.
theres a used one for 45k lmao
In all fairness, the Subaru gets marked up too and so did the Focus when it was first released. I'd be interested to see the average dealership prices of these cars since that's the number we're more likely to see a bill for should we purchase one.
SecretSauceyjuice Focus RS prices dropped after the scare with the heads not sealing. You can get used ones at $35,000 with
@@Snake-pw2wm
Yeah, I know. I was just comparing them all when they were first released. Kind of unfair to say the civic is the only one marked up.
Honda uses 0W-20 oil. Worth to mention.
Excellent video and in-depth review! I can't believe how the Type R blows the competition away.
As far as direct injection on a turbo motor how are they combating valve deposits?
Steven Young you would have to do an EGR delete. All DIT engines will gunk up without it
Steven Young - The problem of valve deposits is greatly exaggerated. If it became a problem, you would just have your dealer fix it.
Service interval seafoaming lmao
EGR isn't the only issue with valve deposits, ring blow-by recirculated by PCV is also a major contributing factor...
@@GH-oi2jf it is not. Not in high performance applications. This is coming from former mazdaspeed owner. I will not buy another direct injected engine unless it has dual injection. Even then I question reliability of injectors inside the cylinders. And by the way unless you have time and tools this is a couple thousand job from the dealer. Egr delete will increase highway fuel consumption and catch cans are not always an option in cold climates so neither is an acceptable solution.
3:40 ROOOOOASTED
Its got my vote.
You had me at turbo, and at forged.
I have a 19 2.0T Sport Accord as my daily and it’s wonderful! We have three other vehicles that each have around 150-200hp more than the Honda, but the drivability just constantly amazes me. I’m kinda tempted by a Hondata tune, but it’s probably a waste