The 20mph speed cut-off is a true downside. I mean, I go wayyyy faster on an analog pedal bike on a downhill. The hard part is commuting to the trailhead. Har to put in an effort. And really can't pedal past 20mph with the resistance.
Great explanation. I really liked the way you talked about the numbers seemingly effortless. Gave me trust that you know what you are talking. Bonuspoints for going the extra mile to include meters so that the rest of the world can understand what this is about 😉 Greetings from across the pond
I've ordered a specialized turbo levo with the 565 watt motor. It is the alloy with a 500-watt hour battery, so i'll have to see how it does but did get a good price on it so i really can't complain but im definitely looking forward to it. Think it assists you upto 20mph
I just got my first ebike the cube 160 action team with bosch smart system all samexas in pivot but not had a chance to take it out yet because of the weather here its driving me crazy but learning how to set 5he sag up just now hopefully after the weekend I'll get out for a first time we're waiting for a massive storm in UK but great video as always
@@EMTBReview💯 class 1 especially...I just tell peeps: ✅ no throttle = no burn-out ✅ 20 mph cut off = rare to even get close to 20 mph on most singletrack
Glad you liked it! I learned a lot making this video. There’s not a lot of in-depth information on these terms that are commonly used in this ebike category.
Small point: you mixed up your class 2 and 3. Class 1 = pedal assist up to 20mph Class 2 = throttle up to 20mph Class 3 = pedal assist up to 28mph (and sometimes a throttle up to 20mph)
What I want to know about the torque NM is whether the advertised eBike torque is just the motor or adds in supposed human pedalling? Obviously if the motor is geared down, the torque is increased at the expense of speed, RPM. And the Watts does not tell you how much mechanical energy is put out by the motor, but how much power it uses up, which includes heat generation -- with various ratios depending upon motor efficiency
Toss one more variable into the mix. Volts and controller amps. If you have a 1500 watt motor and 36volt bike with 20 amp control. Then you are running 720 watts regardless of motor size. So can a bike have more torque if its a 48v 30amp control that has 1440 watts. I know watts can determine speed but does volts and controller amps have any effect on torque at all?
I want to know how the torque of a mid-drive eBike is calculated: is it just the motor as on the bench or which chain removed? Or is it the resulting torque of the wheel vs the ground through the lowest gear? Does the mid-motor eBike get its higher torque at the expense of speed by calculating it as the result in the lowest gear? Otherwise, I don't understand how a mid-drive motor has more torque than a hub drive motor.
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Wow! So well explained thanks for that! Very nice video at the end showing each bike on the trail. 👍
Glad it was helpful! Took some time to organize my thoughts so i'm glad it was helpful.
Good stuff man , that's why I love my Turbo Vado SL it doesn't cut off till 28 mph !
The 20mph speed cut-off is a true downside. I mean, I go wayyyy faster on an analog pedal bike on a downhill. The hard part is commuting to the trailhead. Har to put in an effort. And really can't pedal past 20mph with the resistance.
I hear that
Excellent video. Just bought my first emtb and I’m a complete noob. Appreciate you breaking this down. Ty
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation. I really liked the way you talked about the numbers seemingly effortless. Gave me trust that you know what you are talking.
Bonuspoints for going the extra mile to include meters so that the rest of the world can understand what this is about 😉
Greetings from across the pond
Great to hear!
Very informative and well explained, thanks
I appreciate that very much. Hard to understand and even harder to explain in plain language. :)
I've ordered a specialized turbo levo with the 565 watt motor. It is the alloy with a 500-watt hour battery, so i'll have to see how it does but did get a good price on it so i really can't complain but im definitely looking forward to it. Think it assists you upto 20mph
I just got my first ebike the cube 160 action team with bosch smart system all samexas in pivot but not had a chance to take it out yet because of the weather here its driving me crazy but learning how to set 5he sag up just now hopefully after the weekend I'll get out for a first time we're waiting for a massive storm in UK but great video as always
Awesome primer Prof. F!
Makes it easier for me to explain to others wanting their first E-mtb...other than showing 'em this vid. 🤛
Thanks buddy!! We need to decipher the ebike code!!
@@EMTBReview💯 class 1 especially...I just tell peeps:
✅ no throttle = no burn-out
✅ 20 mph cut off = rare to even get close to 20 mph on most singletrack
Great explaination!
Great video! I loved the NM example.
Glad you liked it! I learned a lot making this video. There’s not a lot of in-depth information on these terms that are commonly used in this ebike category.
@EMTBReview this will help me explain to my wife why the $6k Canyon Spectral On CF8 I ordered is worth it lol.
Always like your vids🎉
Glad you like them! A bunch more good ones coming.
Small point: you mixed up your class 2 and 3.
Class 1 = pedal assist up to 20mph
Class 2 = throttle up to 20mph
Class 3 = pedal assist up to 28mph (and sometimes a throttle up to 20mph)
Arrrrgh.... I studied it too. :) I'll put a 'note bubble' in the video. Thank you.
What I want to know about the torque NM is whether the advertised eBike torque is just the motor or adds in supposed human pedalling? Obviously if the motor is geared down, the torque is increased at the expense of speed, RPM. And the Watts does not tell you how much mechanical energy is put out by the motor, but how much power it uses up, which includes heat generation -- with various ratios depending upon motor efficiency
Use the metric system = simple math = everyone but a few
Meters or Metres?
Toss one more variable into the mix. Volts and controller amps. If you have a 1500 watt motor and 36volt bike with 20 amp control. Then you are running 720 watts regardless of motor size. So can a bike have more torque if its a 48v 30amp control that has 1440 watts. I know watts can determine speed but does volts and controller amps have any effect on torque at all?
Galing thank you. Sa tingin mo bababa pa ang presyo ng mga e-bike in the future? Taga Bay Area ako. Looking to buy an e-bike
I think they will start to go up now after the supply chain issues have cleared up. Email me at fcebedo@gmail.com
I want to know how the torque of a mid-drive eBike is calculated: is it just the motor as on the bench or which chain removed? Or is it the resulting torque of the wheel vs the ground through the lowest gear? Does the mid-motor eBike get its higher torque at the expense of speed by calculating it as the result in the lowest gear? Otherwise, I don't understand how a mid-drive motor has more torque than a hub drive motor.
The torque is measured at the output shaft of the motor always. 1 NM is 1 Newton or .22 lb lifting power, 1 meter away from center.
Metric 😊
Which one is metric? Newton Meters huh?
160 fork on your EXe?
That's stock. So 150mm I believe.