You can't just say the 6.2 was total junk without giving a justification. It is one of the best engines Ford has made. Seems more reliable than the 7.3, with the most common issue being broken valve springs.
I agree, the 6.2 was a crapshoot of it's own but it did eventually reach it's power curve and did it's job pretty well, like the 5.4. But this is a disaster! And how the hell did the US government allow this massive 7.3L gas engine to be allowed to sold as a 'replacement engine' for the 6.7L diesel??? It big, ugly, weak, cheap and made in china!
He has gone over issues on them before I can't remember if it was injectors or what it was but it was something goofy like $3000 to reprogram them if you have issues with them and he has had customers that had the issue back to back having to pay the $3000 to repair it multiple times same issue
Thanks. He said using good oil, and not going a long time between changes can help mitigate the trouble. I’d be interested to hear what your oil change intervals were with that truck.
I have a 2015 with a 6.2 and it has been a durable and dependable engine. I wish it made more power on the lower end but I have had 15000 pounds behind it hauling wood with 5th and 6th locked out going from northern Idaho to Eastern Oregon without a hitch. Averaged 9.6 mpg and highest rpm was 5500 pulling some decent grades. 160000 miles servicing every 5000 miles with motorcraft synthetic oil. I know the early 6.2's had valve spring issues but I have had zero engine issues so far. My truck before that was an 04 with the 5.4 2 valve and even with almost 300000 miles it still ran good but didn't like pulling my 35 foot 5th wheel. My 6.2 doesn't care what I put behind it so far.
I agree. I work for the Parks Department of a city, and our entire fleet is F250's with the 6.2. They've been super reliable so far and handle loads and towing with no problem whatsoever. 👌
I work for Ford for quite a few years and for Chevrolet I've been a technician for over 50 years and has the same problem Chevy has with lifters and are not fixing it that's why he's trolling those engines if you haven't worked on these yourself you really don't have nothing to say some of you probably have had good luck with these engines but the majority of them have been junk don't blame the technician blame the people who build the truck originally
2011 6.2 owner since 2013... Needs more torque 3.5 Ecoboost has more. But see reliable.. for last 12 years . Got say bought with 36k miles ext.cab Lx base model $20k ... Can't do that these days.
When you say 6.8 are you referring to a modern version of the v10? I don’t know much about the gas engines in the newer Super Duty’s. I’m still driving an 03 SD with the 2 valve 6.8. 300+ thousand and still runs strong. Seems like all you hear about is the 6.7 diesel in the Super Duty’s.
I had a 2021 F250 with 6.2 . That engine has so many tapping squealing oddball noises I couldn't stand owning it . Had 13k when I got rid of it . Of course multiple dealers said they all do it . Never Ford again
Got to step in and defend the 6.2. Nothing but good experiences with them. Raptor was still running great at 270k and my boss has 6 of them in f350s. Few issues. I'll even make the case that it's the best modern Ford truck engine aside from the V6s which are even more reliable.
Nothing wrong with the 6.2. By far the best gas option for a heavy duty pickup. Good power and reliable, which is why most oilfield trucks and railroad trucks are all 6.2 with 300k and many engine idle hours. the 6.0 and 6.4 gas suffer from oil pressure issues unlike the 6.2
I also work at a large fleet. 7.3 last less than than 40,000Km. New ford recall to increase RPM at idle to prevent catastrophic damage. Build Ford Rough.
We have 3, 7.3s. NONe with any issues. One has 191k. BOx trucks and loaded every day. Real Loads. (highway and City miles) So....IDK... Just FYI and They PULL, Hard.
Fw those need a heavier viscosity oil like most things these days. Like maybe 15w40 and a high idle setting like diesels have to keep the OP up. Engines don't live long at 8 psi. As you and Fomoco are finding out.
I have a '20 350 Lariat with the 7.3 with 59K miles. No issues so far (except for a bad coil to plug wire). I've never been comfortable with the variable oil pump. Agree with all your recommendations to avoid this failure. Wish me luck, I'm shootin' for 250K before she blows 😂
You may have to buy one of those cute little unicorn type stuffed ponies and set it on your dash 😁. Sadly that seems to be the theme with every newer truck no matter the make, Toyota felt left out and so they got into the action as well !
We got a 19 f350 with 6.2 and has a little over 52 thousand miles and had about 4 oil changes because are hands are tied on getting maintenance approved (government truck). Once a month we drive that truck for 6-7 hours straight and then it sits. But its hard driving and hauling. I would definitely consider buying one to haul my tractor around.
6.2 junk?? What world are you livin in😂😂I've worked on countless 6.2s and the most common problem is them breaking a value spring...which isnt hard to do. Every blue moon one might have vct issues but those were few and far between and were mainly caused by lack of maintenance. The 6.2 was very hard to kill. Oh and the ls came from a 351 Windsor hence why its possible to swap an ls head on a 351 with minimal machining.
@shanechambers9529 It's embarrassing having a Ford bias when 1d10t5 start spewing that LS copied the 351W nonsense nonsense. .. About as bad as the 7.3L copied the LS feces....
6.2s could be underpowered in some applications but again, never seen one that didn’t run good, unless the plug wires had a break in them or a a coil pack, which are maintenance items. Also seen the intake runner control valves make noise like a bad lifter, but not the end of the world
Ive done 3 chevy Silverado's and 2 gmc sierra's 1500's L83 and L86 because of lifter failure in the past 4 month's. I was able to save a couple but the others where full rebuilds! Rebuilt to 5.7 hemis last year because of bad lifters!
Which company brand you're using for replacement lifters? Im planning on getting an 2022 yukon denali and want to take all this stuff out before it messes something up.
@warriorplutotrent3827 been using Elgen or factory gm lifters. Your 2022 will have a lock on the pcm if you go in with hp tuners and the right person does it they can disable the dynamic fuel management. In 2019 they started putting it on all cylinders instead of 1,7,4 and 6.
I've heard of all types of lifter and cam failures in recent years and they were for every brand stock and aftermarket and cams made totally wrong I'm going to guess this is more of the same
@JohnChrysostom101 just bad designs. Up to the year 2006 everything was good especially on full size gas truck engines. Then in 2007 and up came variable valve timing and lifter deactivation. The more junk on an engine the more possibility of failure.
@fastinradfordable the Holley pump is not variable like the factory which has very low pressure while idling. HD trucks idle a lot, which leads to lifter failure issues, especially if regular oil changes aren't done. Just what I've researched...🤷🏽😁
I don't think it's oil pressure, idling, or design issues for the big three. I think it is the steel there made of. Cheap China crap. It is also top performance brands having the same issues. Comp. Crane, Texas Speed, etc. I had to put 4 cams in a 302 small block before we got a good one. It's crazy. Even the dodge cummins started failing when they went to hydraulic lifters.
2011 f150 lariat driver here with 272,800 on the odo with nothing ever broken other than a radiator and an couple of coil packs. Not only that I get people still asking if I want to sell it as a non raptor f150 with 6.2 is pretty rare. If it were junk I doubt that would be the case. He probably just hates working on them with the size of the heads and 16 spark plugs.
I saw another channel claiming they only see this on high idle time 7.3 engines, Rams that have this same issue seem to be on high idle engines as well. Something to look at if you're buying these used.
Great video. This is disappointing to hear but seems be exactly like hemi and ecotec motor failures. I had a hemi that ate its cam at only 85k miles. Supperedly you can upgrade the oil pump on Hemi (probably ecotext too) but I worry this would void the warranty. Very expensive and catastrophic failure that will likely happen at some point in the engines life. I know you said you don't like the old 6.2 V8 for power output but at least those were pretty reliable motors.
Meanwhile, my 1992 F-350 with 460 V-8 is at 200 K miles. Recently sent the ECU out for a refurbish, it had super high idle and occasional stalling. Now it’s back to behaving , it plows snow and lays around in summer, 10-30 full synthetic 👍
The low oil pressure at idle is 100% in the tune. I have a 7.3 with a holley aftermarket ecu and it can idke at 80-psi plus so the stock oil pump is plenty capable. Surely that is just a simple tune for the stock ford ecu to turn up the idle oil pressure.
😂 My 2012 F250 6.2 has 394,556 miles on it and still purrs along like New 😅. Kept Good maintenance schedule with oil changes, timing chain changes at 100K and only replaced normal wear items 😅. I'm keeping it until it collapses 😅
So glad I'm out of the repair business. I changed many engines. Never had to remove cab. Guess dealers had to find a way to increase service hours bulled.
There's a TSB floating around that's supposed to have new tuning from Ford which adjusts the minimum idle oil pressure. There's been mixed opinions on guys that have gotten their local dealers to flash the update. Not all trucks with the 7.3 will have the update available at the same time. They will progressively roll out updates to dealers by year batches.
Pretty pathetic ford hasn't fixed this by now. I regret buying mine. I don't like wondering should be a class action lawsuit. Build a truck made to work and knowing they will have high idle time with low idle oil pressure this is so stupid.
@porkchopsandwiches192 It's not common for engines to fail at 30 to 40,000 miles. This is a known problem. Even Ford admits it now but still ain't doing the pcm update. Its completely stupid to build a engine made to work that self destroys when idling. Ranchers farmers loggers oil fields off roading all require a truck that can idle and go slow without this bs happening. Superdutys are made to do exactly what's killing this engine good job ford.
@@porkchopsandwiches192 Regardless of whether it's common in all push rod engines or not, it's unacceptable. Ford built an engine to be used in commercial vehicles and never thought about how long work vehicles idle. Ford essentially copied the design of their competitors and failed to solve the problems that plague those engines. You'd think they would improve the design, not make it worse.
This is a real shame. I may be in the market for a new vehicle in the next year or so. I was considering a Ford Super Duty. I'm not now, if this is what Id have to go through with it.
Seems all the heavy duty gas trucks are having issues with lifters. Curious if it’s lower viscosity oil and lots of Idling or suppliers sending out poor quality batches.
Ford built this thing off a blank sheet of paper. Of course they observed all the GM RAM engines and came up with the 6.8/7.3L . That being said why didn’t the use a derivative of the 6.7L powerstroke lifter. The wheels on the lifters are massive compared to the same ole GM Ford pos lifter? From what I can see it’s the same lifters as the 6.9/7.3/6.0/6.4L crazy to me….
That just shows you how much these dealership mechanics really know, the 6.2 was one of the most reliable motors Ford ever made other than a valve spring problem occasionally, the 6.2 is way more reliable than the 7.3 and the 6.7 diesel, go ahead and do your homework and research this really good and you will see that this dealership mechanic here doesn’t know what he’s talking about
The idle RPM on all the current pushrod motors are around 500 RPM to meet emissions requirements by the government. Compared to older pushrod motors that idled around 700-750 rpm. Best thing to do is to limit idle time, use quality oil and 3k-5k max oil change intervals until you can get outside your warranty and have a tuner bump the idle rpm up.
Question, Sir. I'm considering purchasing a 2024 F350 with the 7.3. If the issue is oil pressure, why isn't there a high-pressure oil pump available? Can one be installed in an after market configeration? And not putting you on the spot.. would you buy a new 2024 F350 with the 7.3 ?? I mean you are a professional Ford technician with the problems as you noted. I'm not going to have the truck in a commercial environment and will be towing heavy from time to time.. thank you for your time and content.
not familiar with the 7.3/6.8 oiling system, but very familiar with the old school stuff. The roller lifters get lubricated primarily by spash from the rotating assembly. So when they sit and idle at 500 RPM, there is very little lubrication being splashed around-leading to failure eventually. One could put 1000 psi oil pressure to it but it won't stop this issue. Perhaps oil squirters could be utilized to spray the roller tips? Just an idea.
What kills the hemi rollers is lack of lube at idle and low engine speeds. The best way to save them is to have the idle bumped up to 900 ish so theres more splash lubing for the roller. Gm lifters the failure usually starts with the dod system lifters collapsing and the roller not being under tension like its supposed to be
@@classic89deerefever80 its way more common in the afm engines. It starts with the afm specific lifters. No afm or afm delete engines usually wont do it. But its also not every engine that does it. High idle or low speed operation hours usually does it. Engines running down the highway all the time wont
What was the actual measured oil pressure at idle? Amazingly, unlike Ford's dummy oil pressure switches connected to a dummy half way riding gauge used for years, this one has a 3 wire EOP sensor so the data PID will give you a ball park.
Lifter faces rely on splash lubrication from the crank and some bleed by from the lifter bores. Been that way since the OHV engine has been around. That said the main reason, IMO, is poor metallurgy and/or coatings than oil pressure. These same basic design engines (small and big block chevy, 302-460 ford and 318-440 mopars) will idle all day for years with few issues.
I have one in my used 2021 class C RV that had 9500 miles on it , makes me worry a little but I don’t idle my RV like a work truck and my first oil change I used Amsoil oil!
Last year the ford dealer I worked at had a 2022 7.3 f250 with less than 20,000 miles break the oil pump gear on the crank shaft and make a horrendous noise, fords fix was to put another gear in it and give it back to the customer. The gear we were given was not an updated design, just the same exact style the engine was built with, so now the customer just has to hope no internal damage was caused by this and that the new gear doesn’t have the same fate as the original
Once there is too much slack or lash the check ball in the lifter can't close and hold the oil in the lifter so it moves as a solid unit. What happened to 10 minute auto idle shutdown? Heavy trucks had it years ago.
I said earlier that I think the cam lobe is failing first. Not the lifter because cam is splash oiled like cylinders Not bad lifter. 2 much idle time got cam lobe.
What about a high pressure oil pump to increase oil pressure at idle? I think I read somewhere that GM had don’t this for the Hemi engines, to sole the “Hemi Tick” problem.
Also the oil pressure sensor not sensor but pressure switch which only takes 5-7 psi. I've also had ACTUAL pressure gauge in the engine getting 40 to 70psi.
I have a 2020 F250 Tremor with the 7.3. Currently I have 243 hours of idle time. I try not to let it idle much. Still wondering if it's worth it to seek out a higher oil pressure solution. I also purchased an 8 year/100k mile extended warranty because I purchased the first year of this motor.
I replace the long block on my warranty repairs. I also have seen a lot of cylinder wall scoring causing leak by and misfires. I just finished engine number 6 this year.
Im a mechanic at hertz rental car and we are seeing a lot of gm engine failures on the 6.2 in the Denali and Escalade with low miles. We have a lot of ford box trucks with the 7.3 and the biggest problem with them is catalytic converter theft.
@@jerrylake4619 Sad aftermarket always comes to save manufactures shitty design. 35 yrs seen a lot of bad designs when a simple fix takes care of things
i didnt think the 7,3 had active fuel managment...like the LS...which was causing problem...the bad deal of Ford engineer that put to much efffort in fuel milieage and not enough in relialbity....should go back standard oil pump..unreal the chances they took..on something that could be simplifeid..
6.2 junk? Man I've been working on fleets of them. Spark plugs every 100.000 miles and oil changes and they run forever. Not the most powerful thing in a F350 but neither was the 300 six
Ford could reflash the ecm for higher minimum oil pressure . The low weight oil + oil with no zinc in it doesn’t help either . Some of the older Fords you could toggle through the odometer and it would tell you idle time hours .
People please... the oil pump is not ECM regulated. Any issues with lifter failure is due to supplier issues. All big three have had similar problems...
@@johnthomas2856 the pump isn’t but the purge solenoid is which affects oil pressure and volume. 24b27 spells it out directly from ford. I’m sure it’s not the leading factor in failures but it is most likely causing some issues for ford to do a CSP.
2002 6.0 LQ4 LS. 11k engine hours, 238k miles. melling high volume/high pressure oil pump and TSP cam. it idles at 700RPM at 60psi of oil pressure with 5w-30. anytime i’m moving it sits between 75-80psi.
Just curious...what would be the benefit to programming in reduced oil pressure at idle? It just seems like that would be a bad idea from any angle...can't understand why they would do it. Thanks for another informative video!
They don't. The variable oil pump is to reduce hp draw-fuel use by oil pump at revs. Instead of wasting fuel and dumping oil through overpressure relief, they move vane housing over and cut volume per pump rev. In high load use a gas motor is going to run high rpm.
@@jimmyaber5920 - Thanks. I figured it had something to squeeze-out a fraction of one mile-per-gallon to meet CAFE standards. Seems like it would be a really easy engineering fix with a few keystrokes of code...I can't see how much more fuel they would use if they even doubled the idle psi...but I guess engineers have to bow to government standards instead of actual reliability. It seems this issue isn't a Ford issue...but more of a forced efficiency issue where manufacturers are making dozens of very small changes to save a little mpg. Thanks again for the explanation!
Correct me here as i've never worked on a 445Ci before, but can't one just unplug the pressure relieve sensor like in the older engines and stay at high pressure all the time? or has the design changed.
Typical big three manufacturers mentality, “ get it to live till warranty period is over.” But it’s biting them in the a$$. There breaking before that happens. Shame that the quality of goods has become so tied to corporate greed.
I'd still take a 6.2L over a 5.4L any day of the week. I have the 5.4L and it was great until 120,000 miles. Then one thing after another started falling apart.
I wonder if it would make sense to make it idle high on a switch like a diesel. 800-1000rpms would probably get the pressure in a more serviceable range for long term idle.
Probably not a bad idea, the old fords used to idle around 750rpm. Also going up one grade in viscosity would probably help too. Like 5-20 to 5-30, I personally run 5-40 in all my vehicles, no problems yet.
I had lifter and cam shaft failure on a 2007 Chevy Silverado 5.3 active fuel management V8 several years ago. Lucky the failure hit before the 100,000 mile mark.
the Ford 6.2 gas motor is junk according to you because you think 385 horsepower is underpowered. . Other than misfires from corrosion on the coils and a rare broken valve spring which is easily repairable if caught early it is a great motor.
Guess i don't understand why work vehicles have a high idle time. Is it really that hard to shut them off? Ever since learning about the old push rod engines it was made clear that they don't like to idle for long periods
Had a 2024 E450 Chassis Cab (Ambulance) come in with 600 miles, ticking sound, drained the oil, _full of metal_ cut open the filter, _full of metal_ , their older, back-up V10 ambulance just dropped a valve, and is getting a long block, the ambulance authority head said he wished they never got rid of the 7.3 Powerstroke, hands down the best one......
@flying wrenches, what do you think about the older 3V V10 engines? I'm considering getting rid of my 08 F250 with 56k miles, but have had no issues with it... Actually thinking of downsizing to 1/2 ton because i only tow 5k-7k.
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the diesels, not join them!
It drove itself to the shop. Still a yuge savings over a nasty diesel.
Hahahah I just watched Star Wars and this is hilarious 😂
😂😂😂😂
You can't just say the 6.2 was total junk without giving a justification. It is one of the best engines Ford has made. Seems more reliable than the 7.3, with the most common issue being broken valve springs.
Exactly right. Ive seen plenty of Raptors with the 6.2 with 300k + miles on the 6.2
I don't believe that for a minute@@ericblakesslee5784
I agree, the 6.2 was a crapshoot of it's own but it did eventually reach it's power curve and did it's job pretty well, like the 5.4. But this is a disaster! And how the hell did the US government allow this massive 7.3L gas engine to be allowed to sold as a 'replacement engine' for the 6.7L diesel??? It big, ugly, weak, cheap and made in china!
He has gone over issues on them before I can't remember if it was injectors or what it was but it was something goofy like $3000 to reprogram them if you have issues with them and he has had customers that had the issue back to back having to pay the $3000 to repair it multiple times same issue
@JohnD6280 it's not made in China, retard
My 6.2 ran flawless for 200,000 miles before it got sold. Never a single issue. Only parts changed were spark plugs at 100k. Idled it a ton too.
Thanks. He said using good oil, and not going a long time between changes can help mitigate the trouble. I’d be interested to hear what your oil change intervals were with that truck.
I used full synthetic penzoil and did changes when the maintenance reminder came on. I think it was 5000mi. May have been 7000….
What's your beef with the 6.2? I've never seen you cover issues with it.
That's the issue, it's not a money maker for a shop
Not sure why you call the 6.2 junk. It has proven to be extremely reliable over its 13 year run
I have a 2015 with a 6.2 and it has been a durable and dependable engine. I wish it made more power on the lower end but I have had 15000 pounds behind it hauling wood with 5th and 6th locked out going from northern Idaho to Eastern Oregon without a hitch. Averaged 9.6 mpg and highest rpm was 5500 pulling some decent grades. 160000 miles servicing every 5000 miles with motorcraft synthetic oil. I know the early 6.2's had valve spring issues but I have had zero engine issues so far. My truck before that was an 04 with the 5.4 2 valve and even with almost 300000 miles it still ran good but didn't like pulling my 35 foot 5th wheel. My 6.2 doesn't care what I put behind it so far.
I agree. I work for the Parks Department of a city, and our entire fleet is F250's with the 6.2. They've been super reliable so far and handle loads and towing with no problem whatsoever. 👌
I work for Ford for quite a few years and for Chevrolet I've been a technician for over 50 years and has the same problem Chevy has with lifters and are not fixing it that's why he's trolling those engines if you haven't worked on these yourself you really don't have nothing to say some of you probably have had good luck with these engines but the majority of them have been junk don't blame the technician blame the people who build the truck originally
6.2 was the cure for the 5.4 3valve
2011 6.2 owner since 2013... Needs more torque 3.5 Ecoboost has more. But see reliable.. for last 12 years .
Got say bought with 36k miles ext.cab Lx base model $20k ... Can't do that these days.
We had a 6.8 that got replaced under warranty in under 1,000 miles, 2024 F-250. We have several 7.3's and no issues so far.
When you say 6.8 are you referring to a modern version of the v10? I don’t know much about the gas engines in the newer Super Duty’s. I’m still driving an 03 SD with the 2 valve 6.8. 300+ thousand and still runs strong. Seems like all you hear about is the 6.7 diesel in the Super Duty’s.
@@466htrd the newer 6.8 is a V-8 gasoline engine.
@466htrd We have a few V-10's still in our fleet, no issues with them other than crews say power is down compared to 6.7 Power Strock diesel.
@@466htrd No, ford made a destroked version of the 7.3 which is now the base engine in the super duties.
What happened to the 6.8
Dude hates the 6.2 cuz he don’t work on them much lol. It’s a great engine
Literally the best domestic v8. Only engine more reliable is the Toyota 5.7.
@@dorianf1456chevys 6.0's from 99 to 07.....still run those in multiple plow trucks.....
Them 6.2s were beasts they keep goin and goin
He only like things so he can make money off
I had a 2021 F250 with 6.2 . That engine has so many tapping squealing oddball noises I couldn't stand owning it . Had 13k when I got rid of it . Of course multiple dealers said they all do it . Never Ford again
Got to step in and defend the 6.2.
Nothing but good experiences with them. Raptor was still running great at 270k and my boss has 6 of them in f350s. Few issues.
I'll even make the case that it's the best modern Ford truck engine aside from the V6s which are even more reliable.
Yeah that was a dumb comment he made
My coworker has a 6.2 Raptor with 780k. Original motor but 3rd transmission.
The 3.5l gen2 with a rubber oil pump belt is junk. Its a really stupid idea to use a rubber belt to drive the oil pump instead of the crank nose.
@@timothybayliss6680 gen 4 5.0 uses a belt too
@@RadDadisRad Wow that's awesome. How did he get so many miles on it?
Nothing wrong with the 6.2. By far the best gas option for a heavy duty pickup. Good power and reliable, which is why most oilfield trucks and railroad trucks are all 6.2 with 300k and many engine idle hours. the 6.0 and 6.4 gas suffer from oil pressure issues unlike the 6.2
We have had 5 work 6.2 go over 350k and they take a beating
My coworker has a 6.2 Raptor with 780k miles. 3rd transmission.
He hates them because they don't break
By buddy’s 6.2 has 295,000 miles and still doing burnout
Wish I still had my 2019 F350 with the 6.2 and 6 speed. It was flawless.
Bruh a Kia can be flawless for a couple years.
My 19 was flawless for almost 300K miles before I gave it to my son. It’s still going strong with all original drivetrain components.
We have a large fleet of cab chassis trucks, every 7.3 has had this problem before 50k all had to be replaced.
Daym
I also work at a large fleet. 7.3 last less than than 40,000Km. New ford recall to increase RPM at idle to prevent catastrophic damage.
Build Ford Rough.
We have 3, 7.3s. NONe with any issues. One has 191k. BOx trucks and loaded every day. Real Loads. (highway and City miles) So....IDK... Just FYI and They PULL, Hard.
@@roxydog545i would say if you are having issues with the 7.3. Which is doubtfull..the maintenance guys are the issue
Fw those need a heavier viscosity oil like most things these days. Like maybe 15w40 and a high idle setting like diesels have to keep the OP up. Engines don't live long at 8 psi. As you and Fomoco are finding out.
I have a '20 350 Lariat with the 7.3 with 59K miles. No issues so far (except for a bad coil to plug wire). I've never been comfortable with the variable oil pump. Agree with all your recommendations to avoid this failure. Wish me luck, I'm shootin' for 250K before she blows 😂
You may have to buy one of those cute little unicorn type stuffed ponies and set it on your dash 😁. Sadly that seems to be the theme with every newer truck no matter the make, Toyota felt left out and so they got into the action as well !
We have 3. Our 2020 has 191k. NOT 1 issues and it PULLs every day. ( Loaded Box truck ) Been in shop once, rear end. Just FYI.
Nice. @70centurian
We got a 19 f350 with 6.2 and has a little over 52 thousand miles and had about 4 oil changes because are hands are tied on getting maintenance approved (government truck). Once a month we drive that truck for 6-7 hours straight and then it sits. But its hard driving and hauling. I would definitely consider buying one to haul my tractor around.
6.2 junk?? What world are you livin in😂😂I've worked on countless 6.2s and the most common problem is them breaking a value spring...which isnt hard to do. Every blue moon one might have vct issues but those were few and far between and were mainly caused by lack of maintenance. The 6.2 was very hard to kill. Oh and the ls came from a 351 Windsor hence why its possible to swap an ls head on a 351 with minimal machining.
LS did NOT "come from" any ford design. It's has some similarities and that is all. Full stop.
@@shanechambers9529you’re wrong.
@shanechambers9529
It's embarrassing having a Ford bias when 1d10t5 start spewing that LS copied the 351W nonsense nonsense. ..
About as bad as the 7.3L copied the LS feces....
😂 My 2012 f250 6.2 has 394,556 miles on it and purring along like New. Good maintenance schedule and normal wear items replaced 😅
It's the economy tune. When idling they run very low oil pressure. Normal trucks that don't have a chassis cab don't have this issue
According to ford it's all of them google csp24b27 superduty.
6.2 was a great engine idk wtf he talking about . It was pretty reliable
I agree.
6.2s were screamers and tough
A few broken valve springs….easy fix. Real early ones had roller rocker issues. Great engine?
6.2s could be underpowered in some applications but again, never seen one that didn’t run good, unless the plug wires had a break in them or a a coil pack, which are maintenance items. Also seen the intake runner control valves make noise like a bad lifter, but not the end of the world
I've never thought of the 6.2 as junk either. The 5.4 3 valve, they were junk
Ive done 3 chevy Silverado's and 2 gmc sierra's 1500's L83 and L86 because of lifter failure in the past 4 month's. I was able to save a couple but the others where full rebuilds! Rebuilt to 5.7 hemis last year because of bad lifters!
Which company brand you're using for replacement lifters? Im planning on getting an 2022 yukon denali and want to take all this stuff out before it messes something up.
@warriorplutotrent3827 been using Elgen or factory gm lifters. Your 2022 will have a lock on the pcm if you go in with hp tuners and the right person does it they can disable the dynamic fuel management. In 2019 they started putting it on all cylinders instead of 1,7,4 and 6.
@@joesmo4749 thanks for the info.
I've heard of all types of lifter and cam failures in recent years and they were for every brand stock and aftermarket and cams made totally wrong I'm going to guess this is more of the same
@JohnChrysostom101 just bad designs. Up to the year 2006 everything was good especially on full size gas truck engines. Then in 2007 and up came variable valve timing and lifter deactivation. The more junk on an engine the more possibility of failure.
I just bought a 7.3 for a Lincoln project, but I'm planning on ditching the factory variable oil pump for the Holley oil system. Wish me luck 😁🤞🏽!!
If an engines oiling system is bad.
Its not a good engine 😂
@fastinradfordable the Holley pump is not variable like the factory which has very low pressure while idling. HD trucks idle a lot, which leads to lifter failure issues, especially if regular oil changes aren't done. Just what I've researched...🤷🏽😁
I don't think it's oil pressure, idling, or design issues for the big three. I think it is the steel there made of. Cheap China crap. It is also top performance brands having the same issues. Comp. Crane, Texas Speed, etc. I had to put 4 cams in a 302 small block before we got a good one. It's crazy. Even the dodge cummins started failing when they went to hydraulic lifters.
You're just trolling with the 6.2L comment right? The 6.2L has been one of the best engines for Ford to date.
300 inline 6, 460, 390, old 302, 5.8, 2.3 4 cylinder ect
2011 f150 lariat driver here with 272,800 on the odo with nothing ever broken other than a radiator and an couple of coil packs. Not only that I get people still asking if I want to sell it as a non raptor f150 with 6.2 is pretty rare. If it were junk I doubt that would be the case.
He probably just hates working on them with the size of the heads and 16 spark plugs.
Check the plastic lifter guides are they cracked? Maybe allowing the lifter to rotate on cam lobe 😢
I saw another channel claiming they only see this on high idle time 7.3 engines, Rams that have this same issue seem to be on high idle engines as well. Something to look at if you're buying these used.
Great video. This is disappointing to hear but seems be exactly like hemi and ecotec motor failures. I had a hemi that ate its cam at only 85k miles. Supperedly you can upgrade the oil pump on Hemi (probably ecotext too) but I worry this would void the warranty. Very expensive and catastrophic failure that will likely happen at some point in the engines life. I know you said you don't like the old 6.2 V8 for power output but at least those were pretty reliable motors.
Meanwhile, my 1992 F-350 with 460 V-8 is at 200 K miles. Recently sent the ECU out for a refurbish, it had super high idle and occasional stalling. Now it’s back to behaving , it plows snow and lays around in summer, 10-30 full synthetic 👍
The low oil pressure at idle is 100% in the tune. I have a 7.3 with a holley aftermarket ecu and it can idke at 80-psi plus so the stock oil pump is plenty capable. Surely that is just a simple tune for the stock ford ecu to turn up the idle oil pressure.
😂 My 2012 F250 6.2 has 394,556 miles on it and still purrs along like New 😅. Kept Good maintenance schedule with oil changes, timing chain changes at 100K and only replaced normal wear items 😅. I'm keeping it until it collapses 😅
So glad I'm out of the repair business. I changed many engines. Never had to remove cab. Guess dealers had to find a way to increase service hours bulled.
only way to get engine out is pulling cab, cab's come off pretty easy, not as difficult as you think.
Cab can be off in 30 minutes with a fast tech.
Did you set the truck down on the rotors in the beginning? Or jack stands?
There's a TSB floating around that's supposed to have new tuning from Ford which adjusts the minimum idle oil pressure. There's been mixed opinions on guys that have gotten their local dealers to flash the update. Not all trucks with the 7.3 will have the update available at the same time. They will progressively roll out updates to dealers by year batches.
All the 6.2s I've been around were good. Had fleet of them. Run 300k with exhaust manifold issues only...
Pretty pathetic ford hasn't fixed this by now. I regret buying mine. I don't like wondering should be a class action lawsuit. Build a truck made to work and knowing they will have high idle time with low idle oil pressure this is so stupid.
Did you not watch the video? This is common in ALL push rod engines up to and including GM and Mopar engines.
@porkchopsandwiches192 It's not common for engines to fail at 30 to 40,000 miles. This is a known problem. Even Ford admits it now but still ain't doing the pcm update. Its completely stupid to build a engine made to work that self destroys when idling. Ranchers farmers loggers oil fields off roading all require a truck that can idle and go slow without this bs happening. Superdutys are made to do exactly what's killing this engine good job ford.
@@porkchopsandwiches192Not Ford only.
@@porkchopsandwiches192 Regardless of whether it's common in all push rod engines or not, it's unacceptable. Ford built an engine to be used in commercial vehicles and never thought about how long work vehicles idle. Ford essentially copied the design of their competitors and failed to solve the problems that plague those engines.
You'd think they would improve the design, not make it worse.
Who is deleting my replies?
I've been turning wrenches for 56 years so my comments are deleted?
This is a real shame. I may be in the market for a new vehicle in the next year or so. I was considering a Ford Super Duty. I'm not now, if this is what Id have to go through with it.
I'm a GM guy its not just Ford it's all of them having engine problems.
That’s an old truck in this video
@@BT62240ford hasn’t changed a thing. These are all going to do this. Just like the GMs do.
Buy a psd
Seems all the heavy duty gas trucks are having issues with lifters. Curious if it’s lower viscosity oil and lots of Idling or suppliers sending out poor quality batches.
6.4 HEMI uses 0w-40, which is pretty dang thick compared to most engines these days. I’ve got 45k on mine, fingers crossed.
Thin oil certainly doesn’t help
@@m_ssingp_eces Am I mistaken or does the 0w in front mean its very thin at operating temps?
Ford built this thing off a blank sheet of paper. Of course they observed all the GM RAM engines and came up with the 6.8/7.3L . That being said why didn’t the use a derivative of the 6.7L powerstroke lifter. The wheels on the lifters are massive compared to the same ole GM Ford pos lifter? From what I can see it’s the same lifters as the 6.9/7.3/6.0/6.4L crazy to me….
I'll bet if you run 1 step higher on oil viscosity, the lifters won't fail. If it call for 0w20, try 5w30 for a while and see what happens
i have one 2024 they have 5w30 already for ford
My 22 calls for 5W 30 factory. I may start using T6 rotella 4W40. Heard alot of good things on it
@@rickcarmichael4661Order new catalytic converters after the Rotella diesel oil change 😂
That just shows you how much these dealership mechanics really know, the 6.2 was one of the most reliable motors Ford ever made other than a valve spring problem occasionally, the 6.2 is way more reliable than the 7.3 and the 6.7 diesel, go ahead and do your homework and research this really good and you will see that this dealership mechanic here doesn’t know what he’s talking about
Yeah but he is so totally dreamy and hot!!!!
I've seen too many 6.7s with over 1 million miles to even start to think they're not reliable I haven't seen very many 6.2's with over 500,000 on them
6.7 is better by a long shot. 6.2 didn't have enough power to get out of its way
The idle RPM on all the current pushrod motors are around 500 RPM to meet emissions requirements by the government. Compared to older pushrod motors that idled around 700-750 rpm. Best thing to do is to limit idle time, use quality oil and 3k-5k max oil change intervals until you can get outside your warranty and have a tuner bump the idle rpm up.
Question, Sir. I'm considering purchasing a 2024 F350 with the 7.3. If the issue is oil pressure, why isn't there a high-pressure oil pump available? Can one be installed in an after market configeration? And not putting you on the spot.. would you buy a new 2024 F350 with the 7.3 ?? I mean you are a professional Ford technician with the problems as you noted. I'm not going to have the truck in a commercial environment and will be towing heavy from time to time.. thank you for your time and content.
not familiar with the 7.3/6.8 oiling system, but very familiar with the old school stuff. The roller lifters get lubricated primarily by spash from the rotating assembly. So when they sit and idle at 500 RPM, there is very little lubrication being splashed around-leading to failure eventually. One could put 1000 psi oil pressure to it but it won't stop this issue. Perhaps oil squirters could be utilized to spray the roller tips? Just an idea.
Got the same 7.3 in my F 350. 12 months in, good results so far. Bad thermostat is all the problems i've had
What kills the hemi rollers is lack of lube at idle and low engine speeds. The best way to save them is to have the idle bumped up to 900 ish so theres more splash lubing for the roller. Gm lifters the failure usually starts with the dod system lifters collapsing and the roller not being under tension like its supposed to be
own 6 different 5.3 gm never had a failure .
@@classic89deerefever80 its way more common in the afm engines. It starts with the afm specific lifters. No afm or afm delete engines usually wont do it. But its also not every engine that does it. High idle or low speed operation hours usually does it. Engines running down the highway all the time wont
@@kylecorcoran8028 they all are afm
@@classic89deerefever80 after 07 yeah.
What was the actual measured oil pressure at idle? Amazingly, unlike Ford's dummy oil pressure switches connected to a dummy half way riding gauge used for years, this one has a 3 wire EOP sensor so the data PID will give you a ball park.
Where can we get the ECM tuned for a higher idle?
Lifter faces rely on splash lubrication from the crank and some bleed by from the lifter bores. Been that way since the OHV engine has been around. That said the main reason, IMO, is poor metallurgy and/or coatings than oil pressure. These same basic design engines (small and big block chevy, 302-460 ford and 318-440 mopars) will idle all day for years with few issues.
Love my 6.2 very dependable
I have one in my used 2021 class C RV that had 9500 miles on it , makes me worry a little but I don’t idle my RV like a work truck and my first oil change I used Amsoil oil!
There is a software updsye for it. Recall 24B27. The 2021 isnt on there yet. Said october 1. But it hasnt released yet
Got 220k on the old mans 6.2 F250 its slow and drinks gas but pulls any trailer we hook up. The v10 was also a great engine.
Last year the ford dealer I worked at had a 2022 7.3 f250 with less than 20,000 miles break the oil pump gear on the crank shaft and make a horrendous noise, fords fix was to put another gear in it and give it back to the customer. The gear we were given was not an updated design, just the same exact style the engine was built with, so now the customer just has to hope no internal damage was caused by this and that the new gear doesn’t have the same fate as the original
Typical crappy dealer and Ford itself
Is FORD decking the heads 🤔 for a new short block installation? If not that will be the next recall 😢
It didn't overheat.... so they "should be straight", if they didn't check they deserve to do it twice.
Would a high idle switch benefit this situation then? Hopefully build up a little more pressure?
I've been running 5w40 in my Hemi since almost new and now at 270,000 miles without issue.
What year is your Hemi?
@@jaysson1151 2015
Once there is too much slack or lash the check ball in the lifter can't close and hold the oil in the lifter so it moves as a solid unit. What happened to 10 minute auto idle shutdown? Heavy trucks had it years ago.
I said earlier that I think the cam lobe is failing first. Not the lifter because cam is splash oiled like cylinders
Not bad lifter. 2 much idle time got cam lobe.
I could’ve sworn there was a tsb or recall to update the pcm to increase oil pressure during extended idle time
Yes 24b27 ford is dragging their feet on distributing it. I don’t think anyone has been able to get it done.
@@ZimmyF250 Thanks I knew I saw it but I couldn’t find it anywhere
Yes just talked to ford they said have to wait for vin to be attached to the csp. Mine is a 2023 they don't care if I destroy my engine.
They'd rather get 1 mile a gallon better on gas and replace engines one after the next. Make it make sense.
More like .01
What about a high pressure oil pump to increase oil pressure at idle? I think I read somewhere that GM had don’t this for the Hemi engines, to sole the “Hemi Tick” problem.
Also the oil pressure sensor not sensor but pressure switch which only takes 5-7 psi. I've also had ACTUAL pressure gauge in the engine getting 40 to 70psi.
What was your psi when warmed up idling?
What I posted tells you
Ford put out a TSB pcm flash for boosting the pump oil pressure at idle, any thoughts?
I think that 10k mile oil change interval is the real issue. I NEVER let mine go past 7,500 and that's pushing it on easy use too. Heavy I'd go 5k.
Good thing you are putting a short block in, considering how you removed the cam....
Yeah, bang, clang
I have a 2020 F250 Tremor with the 7.3. Currently I have 243 hours of idle time. I try not to let it idle much. Still wondering if it's worth it to seek out a higher oil pressure solution. I also purchased an 8 year/100k mile extended warranty because I purchased the first year of this motor.
I replace the long block on my warranty repairs. I also have seen a lot of cylinder wall scoring causing leak by and misfires. I just finished engine number 6 this year.
I agree idle time plus 0w20 oil not enough oil film to drench lifters
5w30 not 0w20
Is it a combination of low idle oil pressure, warm oil, and the low viscosity of the modern oil recommended?
Just bought one for a sn95 drag build i would assume with the stand alone holley you could possibly tune up the oil idle
Im a mechanic at hertz rental car and we are seeing a lot of gm engine failures on the 6.2 in the Denali and Escalade with low miles. We have a lot of ford box trucks with the 7.3 and the biggest problem with them is catalytic converter theft.
New oil pump, with a higher minimum pressure? 🤔
Holly makes a kit for 7.3 godzilla
@@jerrylake4619 Sad aftermarket always comes to save manufactures shitty design. 35 yrs seen a lot of bad designs when a simple fix takes care of things
Just a little thicker oil. Everyone runs thinner oils now that they should.
24b27 CSP from ford increases the pressure
i didnt think the 7,3 had active fuel managment...like the LS...which was causing problem...the bad deal of Ford engineer that put to much efffort in fuel milieage and not enough in relialbity....should go back standard oil pump..unreal the chances they took..on something that could be simplifeid..
If you put a high idle tune in it would that help, like a diesel
Is there a replacement oil pump to get rid of that variable oil pump?
6.2 junk? Man I've been working on fleets of them. Spark plugs every 100.000 miles and oil changes and they run forever. Not the most powerful thing in a F350 but neither was the 300 six
Ford could reflash the ecm for higher minimum oil pressure . The low weight oil + oil with no zinc in it doesn’t help either . Some of the older Fords you could toggle through the odometer and it would tell you idle time hours .
They came out with a update 24b27
They did, but its not available for most trucks....makes no sense
People please... the oil pump is not ECM regulated. Any issues with lifter failure is due to supplier issues. All big three have had similar problems...
@@johnthomas2856 the pump isn’t but the purge solenoid is which affects oil pressure and volume. 24b27 spells it out directly from ford. I’m sure it’s not the leading factor in failures but it is most likely causing some issues for ford to do a CSP.
Thank you for putting together these videos. Ready to make a purchase and like to be informed.
The minimum spec oil pressure may be 8 psi, but is that actually what it idles at when hot? I imagine that is unlikely.
Is there no way to increase oil pressure with some modifications?
2002 6.0 LQ4 LS. 11k engine hours, 238k miles. melling high volume/high pressure oil pump and TSP cam. it idles at 700RPM at 60psi of oil pressure with 5w-30. anytime i’m moving it sits between 75-80psi.
Can we add an external pump?
Whats wrong with the 6.2?? They are great
We have replaced several at my shop! The gm 6.6 has a whole different set of issues and it's just as bad !
You can't take a Ford mechanic serious if he says the 6.2 is junk. That has to be the least problematic V8 Ford has manufactured in a long time.
Just curious...what would be the benefit to programming in reduced oil pressure at idle? It just seems like that would be a bad idea from any angle...can't understand why they would do it. Thanks for another informative video!
They don't. The variable oil pump is to reduce hp draw-fuel use by oil pump at revs. Instead of wasting fuel and dumping oil through overpressure relief, they move vane housing over and cut volume per pump rev. In high load use a gas motor is going to run high rpm.
@@jimmyaber5920 - Thanks. I figured it had something to squeeze-out a fraction of one mile-per-gallon to meet CAFE standards. Seems like it would be a really easy engineering fix with a few keystrokes of code...I can't see how much more fuel they would use if they even doubled the idle psi...but I guess engineers have to bow to government standards instead of actual reliability. It seems this issue isn't a Ford issue...but more of a forced efficiency issue where manufacturers are making dozens of very small changes to save a little mpg. Thanks again for the explanation!
Correct me here as i've never worked on a 445Ci before, but can't one just unplug the pressure relieve sensor like in the older engines and stay at high pressure all the time? or has the design changed.
Please let us know if there's an aftermarket oil pump upgrade. Banks is looking to slap twin turbos on it.
Typical big three manufacturers mentality, “ get it to live till warranty period is over.” But it’s biting them in the a$$. There breaking before that happens. Shame that the quality of goods has become so tied to corporate greed.
You do understand there are FACTORY warranties available to 175,000 miles??
I'd still take a 6.2L over a 5.4L any day of the week.
I have the 5.4L and it was great until 120,000 miles. Then one thing after another started falling apart.
I wonder if it would make sense to make it idle high on a switch like a diesel. 800-1000rpms would probably get the pressure in a more serviceable range for long term idle.
Probably not a bad idea, the old fords used to idle around 750rpm. Also going up one grade in viscosity would probably help too. Like 5-20 to 5-30, I personally run 5-40 in all my vehicles, no problems yet.
Does software control the oil pressure or is it mechanically controlled?
Why will ford not put a switch on the trk to bring the idle up if it's going to be sitting? Like on a class 8 truck
Can the variable oil pressure solenoid be disabled via tuning?
holley makes a kit to delete the chain drive variable oil pressure pump.
You are not thinking about the ultra thin 0-20 oils ? I use 5-40 diesel oil in our Fords
I had lifter and cam shaft failure on a 2007 Chevy Silverado 5.3 active fuel management V8 several years ago. Lucky the failure hit before the 100,000 mile mark.
the Ford 6.2 gas motor is junk according to you because you think 385 horsepower is underpowered. . Other than misfires from corrosion on the coils and a rare broken valve spring which is easily repairable if caught early it is a great motor.
How do you increase the oil pressure at idle?
Guess i don't understand why work vehicles have a high idle time. Is it really that hard to shut them off? Ever since learning about the old push rod engines it was made clear that they don't like to idle for long periods
Had a 2024 E450 Chassis Cab
(Ambulance) come in with 600 miles, ticking sound, drained the oil, _full of metal_ cut open the filter, _full of metal_ , their older, back-up V10 ambulance just dropped a valve, and is getting a long block, the ambulance authority head said he wished they never got rid of the 7.3 Powerstroke, hands down the best one......
@flying wrenches, what do you think about the older 3V V10 engines? I'm considering getting rid of my 08 F250 with 56k miles, but have had no issues with it... Actually thinking of downsizing to 1/2 ton because i only tow 5k-7k.
Is there any way to reprogram or replace the oil pump with a non-variable one?