im a ram guy since 06, looking hard at the L8T myself but only with the 10 speed. letting go of diesel sucks but I'm in cali and I'm over it my bro just spent around 9k to get his def system fixed, not worth the risk of delete when using for biz.
@concretejungle77 I hear you, I'm in CA as well. Placer county. My GMC has the 6 speed, and there are a couple MPH/RPM bands where I know that 10 speed would want this thing up. Good luck!
There are so many variables when it comes to what axle ratio might give the best fuel economy when towing, what works best with one trailer weight and frontal area pushing wind would be different than another trailer with different specs ... never mind the hills or dealing with headwinds or expectations on travel speed. I think the long and short is that a lower geared rear end ( higher numerically ) gives the better platform for towing and the newer 10 speeds on the scene really close the rpm gaps between gear changes. Also what some may not realize is that the lower geared rear end causes all gears in the transmission to be effectively spaced closer vs a very fast axle ratio. The downside to a 4.30 would be driving empty fuel mileage in my mind, however I know full well that some who buy the Tremor package are planning to put larger tires on the truck so the 4.30 gearing is what one wants when doing that type of thing or adding a lift as well. Kudos's to Ford for offering some diff ratio options.
I have a standard cab 6.8 with 3.73 is had 15000 behind it I truly don't think is slow I think for a base gas motor it does exceptionally well especially compared to a 6.2 but that's My experience
You touched on the large channels that make their bread and butter by what they present through their videos, without a doubt that is the way it is as they would not be around long if they cut off the hand that feeds them as that is their only source of income !. So truth can become rather fuzzy sometimes, fluff presentation without making it appear so is the magic behind their success and that is the reality. Also a lot of very short duration tests that don't show up the issues that a longer test may discover and the paid promotions or the freebie trailers they pull and then flog the company that gave them the trailer to tow. Those are the reasons why I like smaller channels like this that don't feed a line of bull but instead give the honest truth ... and yes I have seen the odd comment on this channel who doesn't like to hear the truth about their particular "brand" and that it has some issues ... well, welcome to the real world I say !.
@@charlesb4267 right on. I appreciate that and you being here and watching. Have a great, long mountain road test coming up in two weeks. We'll see how it does. Thanks again.
I’m currently running a 7.3 Powerstroke with almost 200k miles on it. I’ve noticed the torque numbers are about sixty less with the 7.3 gas, and almost(not quite) twice the HP. I’m guessing the SOTP experience is going to be negated by the ten speed. “Next Truck” has a good chance of being a 7.3 gasser. I’m in the Great Basin, so there are hills pretty much in every direction I’d tow.
I am just waiting for Ford to make a 7.3 hybrid. It would be nice to be able to use my truck as a generator while camping or working on a job site. Such a great engine!
I agree. Not sure why ford hasnt brought that hybrid to the superduty. That 7.2kw option alone would kill Ram and GM sales for the camping, weekend warrior type of people. Campgrounds are starting to ban generators and to have that silent generator is a game changer
@@richmorris9795 & @greg681 ; Cost & low demand. I have a 7.3l & tow a 8400# trailer. The mpg's towing by adding Hybrid would more than likely not change my mpg. I have solar on my trailer + I carry a small 2000 watt inverter generator. Cost of the generator was ~$450; I assume the hybrid would add $6k to $10k to the cost of the truck by the time you add the pkg.
@@richmorris9795doesn't the truck have to idle for that sure would be alot of idle time. And if the 6.7 goes into regen that get into high idle mode I think
@AutoMotiveInquiries Great video, thanks for following up with the new truck. Earlier this year I switched from a Ram 3500 Cummins to a 24 F350 7.3 4.30. Just curious where you get your trailer weight? We used to have I think the same trailer and it was a little over 10K lbs loaded up. Those only have 5200 lb axles with a GVWR of 11,500. Not trying to call you out just curious. We currently tow a 40' toy hauler that is 15,200 loaded. I used CAT scales to check weight. I look forward to your next video and more with the new truck.
Question: I have basically the same truck for the question I am about to ask about, a 2024 F350 SRW 6.7HO Platnium Tremor. Here is my question, when using Car Play with a trailer connected and have Apple Maps navigating, and in tow haul mode, do you loose both the “General” and “Diesel” pages? Mine blank out completely, totally blank pages with this combination. When I switch to normal mode out of tow haul mode the pages populate as normal or if I cancel my Apple Maps the pages both populate as normal. Just to make that easier to follow: Apple Maps+Tow Haul+Trailer=no diesel or general page populate. Turn off any one of the above and the diesel and general pages populate as normal. I am thinking I need to run by the dealer that there is a software issue.
Electric over hydraulic is the best brakes with discs and it’s not a surage brakes it works off your brake controller the system sets a electric hydraulic pump so when you hit the brakes motor kicks on and so do the brakes and are the best brakes if you want to stop .
@@automotiveinquiries9673 coming from a long time Mopar guy when they were their worst it was always heat roasting transmissions. I think that will bite them in the long run. Trying to get any little mpg at cost of longevity. These vehicles are amazing though. Just keep getting better and better. Who would have thought a gas job could be good for towing? Even 5-10 years ago they sucked. Now with 8 and 10 speeds there is hope.
I think if I was towing heavy alot I would mount one of the auxiliary transmission coolers under the truck that has a fan on it. Or tow in 7th gear on the 10sp
If you only squated 3/4” than I don’t think the trailer is 14k. With a 25% pin weight, you would have 3500 lbs hitch weight. Not sure what’s your payload but I’m guessing your maxed out per GVWAR
He is nose-high. All that missing pin weight in on his rear trailer axle now. Not ok imo, but time will tell. Also, I'd imagine it would tow better if leveled.
Frequency of oil changes (ahead of manufacturer's recommendation) is a far more important than blend v synth as long as you keep with the manufacturer's recommended weight 5w-20, 5w-30, etc... Also, for a few bucks more (if you change your own oil) there is no doubt the full synth is the better choice. And finally, all modern engines can run full synth and you can switch back and forth without issues. No leaks or any of that old school fear-led rumors.
no way that trailer weighs that much. there is no forest river wildcat model year 2010 that weighs more than 9900 lbs dry. if you're adding 4k of additional weight, you are waaaay overloaded.
My Wildcat 32QBBS was right at 14k on a CAT Scale enroute to Fort Wilderness for a 2 week stay. Yes, overloaded but I replaced springs, shackles, wheels, tires to handle it. Point is, it's easy to overload a 5er.
There is space for multiple channels doing different things. Maybe stop comparing your testing to others channels. Your content will be more enjoyable if you didn't get me thinking about other channels while watching your videos.
Just as a comp.... I have a '21 F350 7.3L 3.73 rear & tow a 8400# tt. I would go to 4.30 if I towed over 12k though. I've towed RV's & boats for 45+ years and love the gasser. Not going to have another diesel. Friend with diesel on a 4400 mile trip got 1-1.5 better mpg & had to pay for DEF & fuel was 50 cents to a $1 more per gal. Too many emission issues with diesel now a days as well. He does have more torque going up hills, but I have no issues stay right behind him. I rarely use my brakes going down any long hills. Going down the Siskique's or Grapevine I stab them a couple of times. My tranny runs ~208-220. Fords just run hotter & per factory this is normal. I average ~10.3 towing driving 62-64mph thru the hills & mtns in the PNW.
LOL. If this was all true then there wouldn't be a reason to buy a Diesel. A simple youtube Ike Gauntlet video comparing Gas VS Diesel towing will tell you that you are full of sh%t. I guess that extra 400 lb ft of Torque means nothing, the exhaust brake means nothing, the low RPM for better fuel mileage means nothing. Just say you cant afford a Diesel.
@@fit4ya1975 I paid cash for all my toys; so cost was not a factor. If I ran 100k miles a year up & down the freeways like a hot shotter I'd get a diesel. If you really want one; then get one. But I'd venture to say 90% of those that have them run empty most of the time or really do not need the power. The 7.3L gasser has about the same tq that the older diesels (pre-emissions) did. I've had them both & for the $10k savings and only 1-1.5 mpg's & the other extra costs; can not justify one. Tow / haul works great up & down hills.
@@herb7877 I am not disagreeing with you about overall ownership costs, but I have a Ram 6.7 cummins with 3.73 gears and I usually get 12.5 to 13.5 when towing my 13,500 lb 5th wheel camper that has a 13ft 6inch over all height. This is towing around Indiana, so it's flat land. Also, I diesel fuel is only 10-20 cents higher then regular gas in our area, so ownership cost is lower then it has been. I am on the fence about getting an F350 with a 7.3 gas or a 6.7 diesel for my next truck.
@@Frontpagefab I’m not a diesel hater. They have a purposeful use. But the last few years I’ve known too many friends with them and we travel together in our rv’s. Years ago diesel fuel was less and the accountant in me figured it would take 150-200k miles to break even given the extra upfront cost. The last few years diesel has been more & in some periods considerably more. Friends do get a little better mpg’s but not enough for me to justify. This morning diesel was at a 25 cents per gallon increase over regular gas. From a pure cost point I’d never break even. My gasser has way more power than I’ll likely need. We have a lot of hills & mtns here in the Pacific Northwest and they are not an issue doing 60 up them most of the time. Emission issues are not much of a thing with gas. Maintenance costs are less as well. I would say if I exceeded 15 k #; I’d more than likely go diesel though. Ultimately I say, if you want one, get one. Just the same as wanting one of the higher grade comfort packages, like a King Ranch or ?…
Glad to see after all the heartache it towed well. A GM guy, but took a hard look at the super duty before settling on GMC with the L8T.
im a ram guy since 06, looking hard at the L8T myself but only with the 10 speed. letting go of diesel sucks but I'm in cali and I'm over it my bro just spent around 9k to get his def system fixed, not worth the risk of delete when using for biz.
@concretejungle77 I hear you, I'm in CA as well. Placer county. My GMC has the 6 speed, and there are a couple MPH/RPM bands where I know that 10 speed would want this thing up. Good luck!
There are so many variables when it comes to what axle ratio might give the best fuel economy when towing, what works best with one trailer weight and frontal area pushing wind would be different than another trailer with different specs ... never mind the hills or dealing with headwinds or expectations on travel speed. I think the long and short is that a lower geared rear end ( higher numerically ) gives the better platform for towing and the newer 10 speeds on the scene really close the rpm gaps between gear changes. Also what some may not realize is that the lower geared rear end causes all gears in the transmission to be effectively spaced closer vs a very fast axle ratio. The downside to a 4.30 would be driving empty fuel mileage in my mind, however I know full well that some who buy the Tremor package are planning to put larger tires on the truck so the 4.30 gearing is what one wants when doing that type of thing or adding a lift as well. Kudos's to Ford for offering some diff ratio options.
The tires on the tremor will also eat away at your MPG, love the content, thank you.
I have a standard cab 6.8 with 3.73 is had 15000 behind it I truly don't think is slow I think for a base gas motor it does exceptionally well especially compared to a 6.2 but that's My experience
You touched on the large channels that make their bread and butter by what they present through their videos, without a doubt that is the way it is as they would not be around long if they cut off the hand that feeds them as that is their only source of income !. So truth can become rather fuzzy sometimes, fluff presentation without making it appear so is the magic behind their success and that is the reality. Also a lot of very short duration tests that don't show up the issues that a longer test may discover and the paid promotions or the freebie trailers they pull and then flog the company that gave them the trailer to tow. Those are the reasons why I like smaller channels like this that don't feed a line of bull but instead give the honest truth ... and yes I have seen the odd comment on this channel who doesn't like to hear the truth about their particular "brand" and that it has some issues ... well, welcome to the real world I say !.
@@charlesb4267 right on. I appreciate that and you being here and watching. Have a great, long mountain road test coming up in two weeks. We'll see how it does. Thanks again.
I’m currently running a 7.3 Powerstroke with almost 200k miles on it. I’ve noticed the torque numbers are about sixty less with the 7.3 gas, and almost(not quite) twice the HP. I’m guessing the SOTP experience is going to be negated by the ten speed. “Next Truck” has a good chance of being a 7.3 gasser. I’m in the Great Basin, so there are hills pretty much in every direction I’d tow.
I am just waiting for Ford to make a 7.3 hybrid. It would be nice to be able to use my truck as a generator while camping or working on a job site. Such a great engine!
I agree. Not sure why ford hasnt brought that hybrid to the superduty. That 7.2kw option alone would kill Ram and GM sales for the camping, weekend warrior type of people. Campgrounds are starting to ban generators and to have that silent generator is a game changer
@@richmorris9795 & @greg681 ; Cost & low demand. I have a 7.3l & tow a 8400# trailer. The mpg's towing by adding Hybrid would more than likely not change my mpg. I have solar on my trailer + I carry a small 2000 watt inverter generator. Cost of the generator was ~$450; I assume the hybrid would add $6k to $10k to the cost of the truck by the time you add the pkg.
@@richmorris9795You can get a 2kw gen on the Super Duty for $985. I'm thinking about it when I place my order for my new truck.
This would be a no brainer for me and I would trade in immediately.
@@richmorris9795doesn't the truck have to idle for that sure would be alot of idle time. And if the 6.7 goes into regen that get into high idle mode I think
@AutoMotiveInquiries Great video, thanks for following up with the new truck. Earlier this year I switched from a Ram 3500 Cummins to a 24 F350 7.3 4.30. Just curious where you get your trailer weight? We used to have I think the same trailer and it was a little over 10K lbs loaded up. Those only have 5200 lb axles with a GVWR of 11,500. Not trying to call you out just curious. We currently tow a 40' toy hauler that is 15,200 loaded. I used CAT scales to check weight. I look forward to your next video and more with the new truck.
Thats LIGHT!! WE were 16800 empty w GD 376TH
So a Gas 7.3 F250 or F350...... do you feel 3.73 is just fine BUT 4.30 would be better while towing?
First off that trailer doesn’t weigh 14,500 lbs probably around 9,500 but seemed like it pulled it just fine though!!
Question: I have basically the same truck for the question I am about to ask about, a 2024 F350 SRW 6.7HO Platnium Tremor.
Here is my question, when using Car Play with a trailer connected and have Apple Maps navigating, and in tow haul mode, do you loose both the “General” and “Diesel” pages? Mine blank out completely, totally blank pages with this combination. When I switch to normal mode out of tow haul mode the pages populate as normal or if I cancel my Apple Maps the pages both populate as normal.
Just to make that easier to follow:
Apple Maps+Tow Haul+Trailer=no diesel or general page populate.
Turn off any one of the above and the diesel and general pages populate as normal. I am thinking I need to run by the dealer that there is a software issue.
The new tow package will help navigate away from low bridges ?! Whoa, seriously considering a trade…
Electric over hydraulic is the best brakes with discs and it’s not a surage brakes it works off your brake controller the system sets a electric hydraulic pump so when you hit the brakes motor kicks on and so do the brakes and are the best brakes if you want to stop .
Have you done a mileage test pulling the same trailer with a 7.3 with 373 vs. 430?
Those trans temps are crazy. I can tow anything and never go over 165 in Ram. I don’t know why they would that high temp for longevity.
I agree, the ford runs the hottest, and heat is no friend of mechanical things. Some report the ford going up past 230. Chevy always ran 200 or less.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 coming from a long time Mopar guy when they were their worst it was always heat roasting transmissions. I think that will bite them in the long run. Trying to get any little mpg at cost of longevity. These vehicles are amazing though. Just keep getting better and better. Who would have thought a gas job could be good for towing? Even 5-10 years ago they sucked. Now with 8 and 10 speeds there is hope.
I think if I was towing heavy alot I would mount one of the auxiliary transmission coolers under the truck that has a fan on it. Or tow in 7th gear on the 10sp
“So 8 feet, so about 100 inches, so that puts us right at 96 inches. So we’re good there.” Said every rv manufacturing engineer ever. 4:48
Yeah, I know...lol....I just beat box as I go. I'll try and be more exact.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 lol, you’re good man. I thought it was a funny metaphor for the rv industry
If you only squated 3/4” than I don’t think the trailer is 14k. With a 25% pin weight, you would have 3500 lbs hitch weight. Not sure what’s your payload but I’m guessing your maxed out per GVWAR
Yeah my 24 F350 dropped 4'' with a little bit over 15K and 3500 lb pin weight. Summo Springs help and it now drops 2''-2.5''.
@@AZTruck I got the rebel summo springs and they do make one heck of a difference e
How it’s loaded can greatly affect that. You can easily pull several hundred pounds off the pin/tongue.
He is nose-high. All that missing pin weight in on his rear trailer axle now. Not ok imo, but time will tell. Also, I'd imagine it would tow better if leveled.
the tremor has softer front springs for off road.
Not true at all.
What’s your thoughts on synthetic blend vs full synthetic oil for the Godzilla engine?
Frequency of oil changes (ahead of manufacturer's recommendation) is a far more important than blend v synth as long as you keep with the manufacturer's recommended weight 5w-20, 5w-30, etc... Also, for a few bucks more (if you change your own oil) there is no doubt the full synth is the better choice. And finally, all modern engines can run full synth and you can switch back and forth without issues. No leaks or any of that old school fear-led rumors.
14,500 5th wheel??? really? what size axles are those?
no way that trailer weighs that much. there is no forest river wildcat model year 2010 that weighs more than 9900 lbs dry. if you're adding 4k of additional weight, you are waaaay overloaded.
Looks like a Colorado veteran plate? Not a Colorado native.
My plate is a fallen hero, for law enforcement. I'm a colorado grown person....but looking to expand out of Colorado some day.
Is Loki a 250 or 350?
Cool..
I don’t know how you can stand those Timbrens. I added those once and hated them so much. The ride was so bad.
You lost me after you said the ike gauntlet was a lally-gag. 😅
The lolly gag runs on the one channel, they don’t lock gears out. Thats not realistic towing, up or downhill.
No way that Wildcat is 14,500 lbs
My Wildcat 32QBBS was right at 14k on a CAT Scale enroute to Fort Wilderness for a 2 week stay. Yes, overloaded but I replaced springs, shackles, wheels, tires to handle it. Point is, it's easy to overload a 5er.
There is space for multiple channels doing different things. Maybe stop comparing your testing to others channels. Your content will be more enjoyable if you didn't get me thinking about other channels while watching your videos.
Glad the Ford didn’t brake down
“Break”
Some People want to talk shit … but can’t spell correctly when talking …
"Break"
Give it time
It probably did brake down hills just didn’t break down that’s the most important part
Just as a comp.... I have a '21 F350 7.3L 3.73 rear & tow a 8400# tt. I would go to 4.30 if I towed over 12k though. I've towed RV's & boats for 45+ years and love the gasser. Not going to have another diesel. Friend with diesel on a 4400 mile trip got 1-1.5 better mpg & had to pay for DEF & fuel was 50 cents to a $1 more per gal. Too many emission issues with diesel now a days as well. He does have more torque going up hills, but I have no issues stay right behind him. I rarely use my brakes going down any long hills. Going down the Siskique's or Grapevine I stab them a couple of times. My tranny runs ~208-220. Fords just run hotter & per factory this is normal. I average ~10.3 towing driving 62-64mph thru the hills & mtns in the PNW.
LOL. If this was all true then there wouldn't be a reason to buy a Diesel. A simple youtube Ike Gauntlet video comparing Gas VS Diesel towing will tell you that you are full of sh%t. I guess that extra 400 lb ft of Torque means nothing, the exhaust brake means nothing, the low RPM for better fuel mileage means nothing. Just say you cant afford a Diesel.
@@fit4ya1975 I paid cash for all my toys; so cost was not a factor. If I ran 100k miles a year up & down the freeways like a hot shotter I'd get a diesel. If you really want one; then get one. But I'd venture to say 90% of those that have them run empty most of the time or really do not need the power. The 7.3L gasser has about the same tq that the older diesels (pre-emissions) did. I've had them both & for the $10k savings and only 1-1.5 mpg's & the other extra costs; can not justify one. Tow / haul works great up & down hills.
@@herb7877 Not arguing gas is a great engine. It just doesn't compare to a Diesel while towing.
@@herb7877 I am not disagreeing with you about overall ownership costs, but I have a Ram 6.7 cummins with 3.73 gears and I usually get 12.5 to 13.5 when towing my 13,500 lb 5th wheel camper that has a 13ft 6inch over all height. This is towing around Indiana, so it's flat land. Also, I diesel fuel is only 10-20 cents higher then regular gas in our area, so ownership cost is lower then it has been. I am on the fence about getting an F350 with a 7.3 gas or a 6.7 diesel for my next truck.
@@Frontpagefab I’m not a diesel hater. They have a purposeful use. But the last few years I’ve known too many friends with them and we travel together in our rv’s. Years ago diesel fuel was less and the accountant in me figured it would take 150-200k miles to break even given the extra upfront cost. The last few years diesel has been more & in some periods considerably more. Friends do get a little better mpg’s but not enough for me to justify. This morning diesel was at a 25 cents per gallon increase over regular gas. From a pure cost point I’d never break even. My gasser has way more power than I’ll likely need. We have a lot of hills & mtns here in the Pacific Northwest and they are not an issue doing 60 up them most of the time. Emission issues are not much of a thing with gas. Maintenance costs are less as well. I would say if I exceeded 15 k #; I’d more than likely go diesel though. Ultimately I say, if you want one, get one. Just the same as wanting one of the higher grade comfort packages, like a King Ranch or ?…
A 6.8l would definitely do 8k up hill... i call bs...
7.3 is over engineered, and 6.8 is cheaper to build
At 14’ tall, you are taller than a semi Trl. You are not that tall sir!!