Angel's Egg: The Search for Meaning (A Retrospective) | Octo's Corner
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
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Mamoru Oshii's bizarre artistic masterpiece 'Angel's Egg' is one of his most discussed and least viewed projects, and it's one which kept him from working again in the industry for many years. It seems most viewers just don't seem to understand what it all means, though many have tried. This time on Octo's Corner, we take an in-depth look at the many interpretations of Angel's Egg, including its live action adaptation: "In The Aftermath", to see if we can't come to a consensus about this film once and for all.
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CHAPTERS
0:00:00 Intro
0:02:22 Disclaimer
0:04:42 Part 1: An Analysis of Angel's Egg
0:16:29 Part 2: Asteroid City (an epilogue to part one)
0:21:36 Part 3: Another Analysis of Angel's Egg
0:54:27 Part 4: Another...Another Analysis of Angel's Egg
1:11:29 Part 5: How "In The Aftermath" Misses the Point (But Also Doesn't)
1:28:09 Part 6: Sometimes a Story has to Tell Itself
1:35:13 End Card - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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A great analysis! And only slightly longer than the movie itself - but have no fear, "the gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent fishing" :P. And I love the idea of creating an interpretation, and then trying to find all the problems with it.
I've seen the line about breaking the shell considered to be a reference to a quote from Herman Hesse: “The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.” In that context, it was compared to similar lines in Utena and Haibane. But only Utena's version is 100% convincingly a reference, in my opinion. The metaphor's otherwise straightforward enough that multiple people could have hit on it independently. Sora no Woto's angel skeleton is surely a reference to Angel's Egg though, I hadn't thought of that!
I look forward to your colleague's Kingdom Hearts video. That's one helluva game series! I don't know about others, but I usually like long-form analytic content more when I've seen/read/watched the thing in question?
Thankfully no, they do not deduct time spent fishing for answers as it were, otherwise I feel like I'd be in a lot of trouble and probably also look twice my age by now. Thanks for the insight into the broken egg, I hadn't even thought about that quote!
i always welcome analysis of angel's egg, absolutely love that movie. Thank you for this! :D (leaving a pre-entive message before finishing the video so i don't forget lol)
I'm so happy to see in depth analysis on this movie. It's such a hidden gem.
YOOOOO You finally properly tagged your vid! That low viewcount stings a lot more when you spend this much time working on something, good job, keep it up, this vid actually showed up on the front page for me.
Good to have you back, Jimbo
An incredible video. I just watched this one and your MiA analysis, and I heard some points I never got anywhere else before. It is truly refreshing, interesting and captivating. You are not screaming into the void, you just won another suscriber! Can't wait for your next vidos. :)
Thank you so much, you have no idea how much of an impact this comment had on me.
okay genshin and pokemon music? gaaaaah you're perfect. subscribed
im literally here after ''My Name For Now'' theorized a connection between genshin and angel's egg on his latest video
@@tommyreiss5457 Me too! More people lore content creators need to look at this...
i think you would like an anime called "le portrait de petit cossette" its sort of like monogatari but it came out before it did
I had to do a double take for this comment because I swear I thought you were talking about "Shoujo Cossette" which is the anime adaptation of Les Misérables, so for a second there I honestly thought you were just straight up trying to tell me to watch Les Mis and I was so confused XD. But yeah this one looks good too. Perhaps I'll check it out after Boogiepop. (no promises though)
@@TheMissingLettr ok
Really appreciated the everything but the kitchen sink analysis you packed in here, but I gotta say I just checked and all the bits I looked at were animated on 2s. There's a dead/still frame before the drawings shift. I don't think this takes away from your Snow White thoughts w/r/t the forest though. If you saw a version that was all on 1s then I might wonder whether it's been edited/interpolated. (The clips you use throughout look the exact same as the video I was taking frame-by-frame though, so that's probably not the case)
Genuinely a great retrospective video. I love your format and form of thinking, I see it as unique and inspiring. You went piece by piece collectively journeying alongside us with intricate editing skills to convey your interpretation.
Only thing I had an issue watching was the apologies before referring to biblical text and considering it "offensive." I believe if you are going to use something so compelling for your argument or even in your content, if you are not bashing on anything, then don't worry about offending others and especially be ready to stand your ground in your perspective whilst simply being open minded. No need to apologize for something you haven't done.
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind going forward
i really appreciate that you spoke so in depth about interpretation. i had a friend who saw nope and loved it and asked me to go see it, so i did, and i thought it was incredible, but when i explained my interpretation of the ending he called me stupid and said that my interpretation was wrong. which... like. man first of all ouch, second. how can an interpretation be wrong? the inherent nature of interpreting art is so deeply personal that even if two people come to the same conclusion about its literal meaning it will still bring them vastly different emotions. no two interpretations are exactly alike because no two people are exactly alike.
anyway, apologies for the long comment but i really enjoyed this video despite never having watched this movie and i have a lot of thoughts lol
We like long comments here, there's nothing wrong with having a lot to say :). I am honored and very grateful that what I make is able to spark discussions about media, so please, write as long as you'd like! I agree, nobody can tell you what you think something means is wrong or that that meaning isn't there. Yes it is! You found it afterall! As someone who also loved "Nope", I'm a little curious how you interpreted the ending...
@@TheMissingLettr thank you for indulging me lmao
and as for my interpretation i considered the ending more ambiguous than my friend did. i left the theater feeling like it was more melancholy than triumphant because my interpretation of it was that OJ may not have survived after all. the shot of him at the end was so distant it read to me as more of a memory of tragedy that had been lost in the spectacle. i understand that context can point to the fact that he likely did actually survive, but i still think my interpretation that the ending was ambiguous wasn't wrong especially considering jordan peele's statement on the matter.
so sorry to derail but i appreciate the chance to discuss!
@@furuyawn the thought had occurred to me honestly. The film in my eyes is about the danger in spectacle, how we pursue spectacle even when it comes at great personal risk, hence the monkey going berserk scene. So I always figured OJ survived because he gave up on getting the oprah shot and just decided the spectacle wasn't worth it. That said, I can also see how what you're saying here could be applicable to the movie to.... dangit now I wanna watch Nope again! Thank you for your thoughts!
love the use of cave story music in the background :)
i miss cave story
Oh, this is great! Hope it get's some traction
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I've only just started the video but I'm going to guess maybe you can interpret it as hoping to be able to recover one's faith? I'll have to wait and see.
I like this film. the first time I saw it. I thought that the film was about the loss and breach of trust.
That's really a really interesting way to look at it, I can't believe I didn't come to that conclusion on my own honestly, thank you for sharing!
I started to think something similar about "A Canticle for Leibowitz." It appears that their faith might be futile or misplaced, but the recording character of "The Wandering Jew" alone represents that there will still be a second coming of Jesus entirely because of reason for the character's extended life according to the legend. To me it's about keeping faith no matter how bleak. I should probably wait to finish your video before commenting again though.
KK Music I suspect?
Thank you for giving me multiple new perspectives on various areas of thought on thought, film &even life... I will NEVER agree with you when it comes to Death Note or other shit adaptations like FMA &Silent Hill... I'm sorry, I subscribed cause I agree with a whole lot else... But I'll fucken DIE on this hill!!! 😂
...and I'll die, likely alone, on the "Netflix Note was alright and I liked it okay" hill.
We can agree that the FMA live action films are trash, at least. Anything that's juts a corporate cash grab automatically loses any integrity it might have had as an adaptation. Thanks for leaving the comment, your kind words mean a lot!
@@TheMissingLettr Anytime! I love analysis like this, I hadn't seen your channel before now. Can't wait to see what else you comment on.
Yeah the moment the house went with the equivalent exchange... I was out and so mad... That's a PIVOTAL character moment not only for the boys, but Ed and Hohenheim when he returns...
Honestly the American adaptation would have fit better with the original pilot manga about the young boy who found the death note, just age him up and that's basically Light from Netflix Note... Just not handing on the expectation that Death Note holds, but as a seperate inspired work.
I agree, I think the worst aspect of Netflix Note is that they named the main character "Light". If they hadn't you could argue it's a movie based on the pilot, which fans would honestly probably have really liked. I think the Watari bit is stupid, because obviously Watari was supposed to be a codename and not his real name, but I like most of the rest of the film. I think it's interesting, and I love Willem Dafoe as Ryuk. If nothing else, Ryuk is flawless in Netflix Note. What really bothers me, and the reason I defend it so much, is that people really bullied the director over this, and he made it with genuine passion. Poor guy just wanted to do right by something he loves, and the fanbase was so ruthless to him that he had to delete his social media after it released. Given the work he put in, and that Netflix Note isn't a soulless project like Bebop or FMA, I just think the guy deserves to know he didn't do a terrible job with the concept.
@@TheMissingLettr I get that, but as someone who wants to do adaptations myself... You really have to respect the work, he kinda just tried to copy and Americanized it, as if the original story wouldn't sell or like we said, he could've made a film based on the death note itself. The fact we're not film makers and thought of this, shows that as much as he probably did care for the material, he didn't have faith in either himself or the original work being something any audience can just sit and watch. But sadly, death note isn't that kind of story, it's like the dune adaptations... Yes the director truely loved the work, but at least the old directors from dune realized before it was released that they fucked up, this director was far to confident and that can trigger more toxic fans which isn't fair to him... No one deserves that, I just find stories like these and even Battle Angel Alita is all just geared towards brain-dead American audiences.
But SH movie not so bad, even second(its trash full of fun services but still watchable, at least for the sake of fun), All the Characters ruined but Heather looks cool(not performed or written,must be emphasised)
i said the n-word once in high school