Dark Souls 3 Lore ► Angel's Egg & Filianore
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- 12 minutes of Filialore..please, Filianomore
Right before production on Angel's Egg, Mamoru Oshii is widely cited to have lost his faith in Christianity. Given all the religious symbolism in the movie, it's undoubtedly a movie about faith.
According to Absurdist philosophy, there is a fundamental disharmony between the individual's search for meaning, and the meaninglessness of the universe. Three solutions are offered for this problem -
First: A leap of faith. An unproveable belief in a reality beyond this world.
Second, suicide. Escaping a pointless existence.
Third, acceptance of an Absurd existence, and the freedom that comes with creating your own meaning.
In a way, the girl goes through all three of these phases. She believes that something is inside the egg. When it's crushed, she throws herself into a ravine. After throwing herself in, she undergoes a revival - with the girl herself becoming the object of her faith.
This is a great thread about Ludleth
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What was in braille vaati? WHAT DOES IT SAY
;)
/r/ translate
figured it out, "solaire is Gwyn's son". *totally did this before I got a vaati heart*
Ze Great Pumpkinani Holy shit
Ze Great Pumpkinani NOW YOU HAVE TWO
"I may be small, but I will die a colossus," is one of the most badass quotes in all of Dark Souls
You will dye a colossus with your blood xd
@@matyasd007 Based.
I really like a quote from DS2 by Darkdiver Grandahl: "Let the dark shine your way".
I always thought it was one of the most ineffectual and pathetic quotes in Dark Souls. Ludleth is one of my least favorite characters in the whole series.
Alexander Holzer wow you’re fun at parties I’m sure
If light is related to time, is that why Untended Graves is completely dark? Frozen in the past as it were.
Eren İsvan you just blow my mind...
y so low on likes
Eren İsvan holy fuck dude IM WOKE ASF NOW
oh true, so true
The Untended Graves are dark because it was a world born of betrayal. Hence the item descriptions of some things you get there.
I go away for 2 weeks and when I come back you're all meme gods what happened
I'm Ethan Bradberry
Lol best meme I could come up with there
VaatiVidya you're the bestest
VaatiVidya idk, but I wana ride a Tyrannosaurus 🅱️ex
@VaatiVidya the real question is if you are going to make more content ! My wife got me into your stuff like two weeks ago and I feel betrayed in the way that it might be over now
A bit late to the lore party, but I think each of Gwyn's godly children are manifestations of his power as Lord of Sunlight. Gwyn is a Sun God and lightning is a manifestation of sunlight in the Dark Souls universe of which his first born, the Nameless King, is the heir. It also represents the destructive powers of the sun.
Gwynevere represents the positive aspects of sunlight as giver of bounty (the light that causes crops to grow). Even Gwyndolin, the Darksun, draws his power from Gwyn, for does not the moon get its light from the Sun itself? As for Filianore, she is time itself, for do we not measure time by the position of the sun?
Jun Allenson amazing
Jun Allenson old comment, but I honestly have to say that is a well done analysis
I always thought, that Filianore is merely custodian of the egg, keeping it safe. To use your analogy, the egg is the time, while the goddess would be watch keeper.
@@OkurkaBinLadin even better great job dearest!
Never thought about it that way, that was damn good, my guy
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DECEARING EGG
I think it's very fascinating how magic in this world works. Miracles are directly influenced by your faith as you have said. Sorceries also they are boosted by your intelligence, by your ability to...imagine..create a power within yourself through thought. And of course pyromancy is raw emotion. the will to survive and prosper, as a flame does.
Dread Knight35 -- What of hexes and the like, given how they combine many of these traits? I guess that would mean that they are, like the Souls lore itself, miracle-like stories with parts missing, to be filled in by emotions and new ideas.
Dread Knight35 And lets not forget Dark, which is all of these things in its purest, most human form.
Kamina The Great Exactly. Another reason why the gods fear the dark soul. That kind of power coming seamingly from nowhere is terrifying
SevereOutcast Of course! The reason I think the gods fear the dark soul and humanity itself is because Dark can come from both faith and intelligence. You believe it, then imagine it, then it comes to life. That itself is the power of a god
Kamina The Great Timely comment lol. I personally see Dark/Hex as the Human interpretation of all other classes of magic. It is therefore, the truest unto itself and the caster. For example, Homing Soulmass works because Souls seek life and as such, penetrate the victim. The spell Affinity does this very same thing, but the orbs themselves are living and seek life in an attempt to bond, though have no concept of the pain they cause.
"The answer is Faith.."
Goddamnit, I should've known the Miracle builds were the answer to everything.
The one thing that gets me at the the end of the Ringed City is the appearance of the world after you break the egg. It doesn’t look dark like the Untended Graves or like when you let the Fire fade away. Instead the world is barren. Grey wastes as far as the eye can see. To me it looks like the world isn’t going to an Age of the Dark but seems to be reverting to an Age of the Ancients type state, or something like it at least.
Or quite possibly the age of dark has passed and this is all that remains
I think the end of the world is like that to emphasize that the dark doesn't mean an end to all ages, just a new age
Its before the lords wake and the bell is rung, the world you see in the opening cutscene
@@alexrainbow1882 the cutscene takes place before the game tho, how is Gael back in time? It's clearly a fast forward or reveal of what is current but not the past
@@robertogurrola7465 I dont get what youre trying to say in your last sentence, but you can see buried anor londo and lothric in the distance. Since it was the lords of cinder that acted as an ''anchor'' for those places not to vanish, I thought it was before the lords of cinder were reawakened
5:45 "look man, I get it. It's cool that you can repair your weapons on your own now, but could you please not rub it in my face? That used to be my only source of income, and now I have none."
AHAHAHAHAHA
I NEVER needed to repair a weapon in DS3
@@facundostratocaster356 same
DS2 on the other hand…
I miss you guys, currently in Japan so my relatively slow upload schedule became even slower. It's been good to get away though, I think I was feeling a bit burnt out the last few months. Japan is amazing! Keeping my eye out for Miyazaki...
VaatiVidya get Criken to ask him about THE LORE
VaatiVidya what's the title of the music?
Just go to the fromsoft office and ask if you can look
VaatiVidya Just go to the fromsoft office and ask to look around trust me for U they would
"YOU'RE GONNA WANNA SEE HIM!"
I like to think that Filianore has been told that the egg holds something really meaningful or its hatching marks something really important, which she is waiting to happen. We don't really know if the egg was really holding anything particular at all and she was being led to believe that to keep her faith strong and the spell from ending. What if Gwyn promised to come for her when the egg hatches making it like a clock for her of Gwyn's return. She is sleeping, not knowing that the egg and whatever was inside is far gone and so is Gwyn and all he promised. Her faith in everything she believed in along with her fathers return crumbles like the egg itself when she notices that there is nothing left or maybe even worse she has been lied to all along. No faith= no miracle to hold time from passing. Pretty sad if you ask me.
That makes a lot of sense and really ties in with what Vaati explained in this video. Very sad indeed, Gwyn clearly would have done anything to stop the fading of fire, even sacrifice Filianore.
But Filianore didn't even seem that invested in the egg when she woke up. She just kind of raised her head and then exploded. I dunno, I'd kind of imagine her loss of faith to be a little more emotional.
@@MaestroAlvis maybe she had a massive meltdown just after were sent through time and we miss it? lol just a thought
This was my exact thought when I watched the video, scrolled down to see if it was already posted. You can imagine, Gwyn telling her to rest, and that when the egg hatches, he will be standing there to take her home. Instead she awakens to see you, and the illusion is shattered in an instant, both physically and metaphorically. The egg was a farce, her father betrayed and abandoned her, all these realizations coming instantaneously as she looks at you and the mundane remains of a crumbled, inert egg. What a terribly tragic thing. The more I learn about Gwyn, the more contemptible he becomes. The selfishness, obsession, and reckless desire that the game tells us lurks inside men, are no better seen anywhere than in Gwyn himself.
@@MaestroAlvis emotion is a response to perception. The thought comes first, the emotion follows. Faith dies with the thought, in an instant.
"I want to convince you..." Vaati... If you said Manis is Lord Gwen I would probably believe you
Ever notice how Soul of Cinder's phase 2 combo is ripped from Manus?
"I know it's hard to believe, but we're actually standing in Anor Lon-"*SMASH*
Heyy, I'm 1%
*Claps*
EliteRookie charge now
EliteRookie My phone says you posted this comment a week ago.
Elias T. Me too
r u a fucking time traveler?
What if ludleth was exiled for linking the fire? if the pygmies are Lord's of dark, extending the flame is opposite of what they want
Zinntari Orema if that was true the pygmies would already killed fillianor,shira and the judicators
Many of the pygmies (including many of the Pygmy Lords) are still loyal to Gwyn and the Old Gods when we get to the Ringed City ages after most of the Old Gods have died. The one hiding next to the Mausoleum Lookout bonfire appears to be a rogue. Though they are born of the dark, they might not desire dark.
The Pygmy lords seemed to be loyal to Gwyn, he gifted him his daughter and the Ringed City. Meaning Ludleith betrayed them in some way.
I interpreted the "shattering" of the hollow egg upon our arrival / touching it as more symbolic of her faith being "shattered" ... and thus her ability to halt time completely crumbled -- teleporting us forward to the end of the world.
So waking up Fillianore fast forwards time to how everything should be. Which means the fact that the paired greatsword Ringed Knight is still alive and kicking at the end of the world speaks volumes of his strength.
folk lore? more like *Yolk Lore*
Nick Jordan HHAAHAHAHAH
Yolk lore? More like *Yoel Lore*
Yoel lore? More like S-Soul lore
Gottem
If Ludleth was a Pygmy Lord, then it would make sense why he became a Lord of Cinder. Think about the power the First Flame would gain if a huge chunk of the Dark Soul was sacrificed to it. Hawkwood also stated that some Lords were chosen "not for virtue, but for might".
Or *maybe* the "egg" is just a bowl of chips, and she's sleeping while you brake into her fancy, well guarded home. But riiiiight before you can grab a hanfull chips and be on your way, she wakes up. She sees the intruder trying to steel her food, freaks out, accidentally forewards time, and you can't eat them chips anymore because their rotten. BAM
Chips
Olorin Elior chips?
Chips
In an Egg.
...
Sounds abour right, i cant argue with that logic
Nah man he be trying to touch a tiddee.
Those are some really black chips, what are they made of exactly?
@@chilly456 They're made of the Dark Soul
The eyes that reveal the betrayal could mean Gwyn abandoning his daughter and tricking the people of the Ringed City as it was more or less a prison for the dark soul...maybe idk
I think this is true.
Schrödinger's Egg?
pretty much yeah
Carlos Alexandre Quadros Da Silva Almost like the egg of the perfect world from berserk
I'm not gonna lie I to thought of calling it "Shcrödinger's Egg" from now on ( before reading this comment of course)
Wealthy Pepsi it was only a joke dude, don't take it seriously
It gives Wealthy Pepsi conniptions.
02:39 "..the girl is comforted by her faith."
"No matter how tender, how exquisite... A lie will remain a lie."
Is that an Aldia line?
yeap
A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE.
God damn i love that line, the hype it delivers, praise the voice actor
Noice
"Some may avert their eyes, but the truth remains the truth."
Honestly the image of two beings, functionally immortal, fighting for the essence of their kind at the end of time, at the edge of the world is so powerful for me
i feel like the story behind this video game series is so much more than just a 'story behind a video game series'. its told with so much attention to detail, and so much detail within the little tiny details. so much emotion, its more of a masterpiece than just a storyline in some video game series. i love it, and at the same time wanna know why there is so much more depth to these games than any others out there.
Because it's metaphysical. It's a reflection of the spiritual history of mankind. Study religion, the occult and you will understand why it strikes so deep.
@@adamqadmon glad to see someone else caught on
It's Velka
ok ashen hollow
I would have been content with a final boss fight with Velka, the boss arena warping in time showing all the previous game's settings build up and crumble as you fight the goddess of sin in a time bubble. Then learn the entire plot is just that you were a tool of revenge against the gods for stealing those powerful souls.
xD
K&AGamers That sounds like the final boss of a Bayonetta game
Shut the fuck up, Ashen.
VaatiVidya!! Since you are in Japan, please, kidnap miyazaki and make him explain the whole story of the trilogy
Even better: make him fix poise
the whole game could have been a stream of consciousness
and the director might not know it either
just like with Angel's egg
its better this way
Fuck that, make him leak if elden ring is a lie or not
@@Bevsworld04 i come from the future, it CERTAINLY isnt a lie
There's another interpretation for Filianore's scene.
She didn't lose her powers and die because her faith ran dry, but she commenced into death because she fulfilled her purpose and her faith was proven.
When the player arrived, they are, usually, at the height of their powers, fully grown, so to speak. They started from a freshly born character (or reborn), from a rotten egg (the graves).
Her waiting wasn't in vain. It's probably no coincidence she sets the stage for you to battle the largest curse of the dark soul.
Lothric is my city
Junior18297 the sun is my planet
firelink shrine is my deity
Universe is my solar system.
Hyrule Is my gender
Junior18297 "and no Im not from lordran"
the answer isn't faith
the answer is strength
Luck
Sand Potato R E S I S T A N C E
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Remember soul of cinder who is the amalgamation of all lords of cinder who linked the fire?
He never pulls out a greatsword or anything.Just straight swords,curved swords,halberds,staffs(sorcery) and MIRACLES.
This only means anyone who used strength builds wasn't strong enough to link the fire.
And who do we see at the start of the 2nd phase? The miracle overlord.
I just watched Angel's Egg for the first time last night it's a masterpiece very sad but amazing non the less
This video made me watch Angel's Egg. Thanks, Vaati. Sincerely.
If Fillionore is a miracle, and miracles are usually in Braille, does this mean I have to use my fingers to learn her...
Doesn't seem so bad to me.
You are all disgusting, I like it.
I begin to like miracles more every day!
Praise the finger! but hole?
If she is a miracle, that means Filianore is useless? 🤔
"A lie will always remain a lie."
I'm thinking that Filianore's egg is the reverse of the egg parable in Angel's Egg. After all, the egg Filianore holds is broken open, and so brittle that it crumbles at the merest touch . . . what does this suggest about faith? And too, the inside of the egg looking like a transposing kiln is significant IMO . . . the transposing kiln itself seems a dubiously dark bit of magic, seeing as how it turns souls into items. Again, this suggests something unsavoury about that egg of Filianore's. We know souls burn gud on a fire, and can be turned into things - so what might her egg be doing? Was she "fed" souls to keep the Ringed City green? When the egg broke, was that why everything came to an end?
happy that angel's egg getting more notice cause of this, one of my favourite animes
Fck, making scrambled eggs has never been harder after watching this video
Kaca Fucks sake man 😂😂😂
I set off the fire alarm in my apartment trying to fry an egg.
Swaz Jokes same, but I was making a ham sandwich
A few days ago I was going to make a sunny-side-up fried egg, but when I cracked the egg, nothing poured out. It was a hard boiled that had been stored in the fridge for who knows how many days. The yolk was all green too. And it was the only egg left. My faith in breakfast for that day remained forever shattered.
Light is time... huh, this reminds me of Orihime's "healing" powers from Bleach. She uses light to reverse time and in that way undo the damage of someone's body.
Epyrian now that's a name I never thought I'd hear again
Doesn't reverse time, it's called out as even more hardcore than that. Orihime straight-up selectively Removes events from the timeline. When she "Heals" something she takes one specific event that happens and removes that from having happened while leaving all other events alone and completely ignoring the weird paradoxes that Should Cause.
For example: If you got a broken arm that healed improperly and had to compensate by training the rest of your body to function around the mangled limb(imagine you gained the ability to do one handed push-ups since then). A time-regresser would remove the effects of all the events going back to right before you got that broken arm, removing any gains since then(back to two-handing push-ups). Orihime could remove the broken arm event, and Only the broken arm event, while leaving your one-hand pushup gains despite this normally causing a paradox with every other time-based power.
It always makes me kinda sad when I hear lines like "Thank you for being the 1% who watches the end of the video"...
Anyways, hope you have a great time in Japan and thanks for what you do!
When that warrior in Angel's Egg smashes the egg, the animation looks eerily similar to when the ashen one marries Anri.
Another possible example of the Light = Time concept and a link to Filianore's role in The Ringed City is, of course, Anor Londor. Maybe the sunlight wasn't 'illusory' as we have thought for so many years, maybe time was just bound to the illusion of Gwyn's daughter like it was bound to the faith of Filianore. Just an idea.
WittyJackson you might be onto something...
that would make ornstein both being there to fight you and him leaving possible
-ornstein and the rest of the gods leave
-gwyndolin resets time to a point where everyone is still there
-ornstein is then both there and gone
HMO3 or ornstein is a spear of the church
HMO3 So you want to tell me that gods manipulated the time?
Well, Lordran's convoluted time and all that.
Godddddd I am obsessed with this channel, keep up the good work, and fulfilling my dark souls obsession
We still haven't answered the most important question. Why the fuck is there a crab in the rock!
God Bleach wut
hitbox detection.
what crab in the rock?
I literally listen to your videos on repeat during work. You keep my focus intact and for that I thank you! :)
I'm happy you fit dark souls 2 into some of these videos.
i know its not the best souls game released but it did add some important lore to the game that does answer questions as well...
DKS2 is underrated, fans are just to fickle to see it's superior to 3.
no DS2 and DS3 are both very bad
dark souls 2 is considered bad because of its gimmicky areas.
dark souls 3 however? its a good game and should be considered as such.
everyone just lives on nostalgia off of dark souls 1 thinking its the greatest game ever made even though its buggy and has some of the worst pvp in any of the souls games.
but keep telling yourself that to make you sleep at night I guess.
Clay, that's why Dark Souls 3 sucks, it's areas are gimmicky and rely soly on your nostalgia, the entire game is just DARK SOULS 1 REFERENCE!!!!!!!!!! REMEMBER DARK SOULS ONE!!!!!!!!! HEY REMEMBER THIS? IT WAS FROM DARK SOULS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clay cooper, people just live on the nostalgia of dark souls 1, that's why they think 3 is such a masterpiece despite terrible level design, most of the bosses being rips from other games, shortest of the souls series, easier for noobs, complete lack of variety in PvP, removal of the Dual Wield System and tons of other things that made DKS2 good such as NG+ changes, and a copy and paste story that equates to basically Dark Souls 1, HELL even the first DLC is a complete rip of the Bloodborne DLC story.
DKS3 is a lazy mess that people let off cause DKS1 happened, DKS2 is a good game driven down by people who couldn't handle the lack of DKS1.
Vaati making my Souls experience better since the age of ancients
I love watching your videos, they are very well made. It's amazing how you dig up the lore and make connections like that! Everything makes so much more sense.
Every time your videos come out I get sad Souls is over but when you say there's still more I get happy again. You really put so much effort into each video. Cheers Vaati.
Only eggs can sustain me
I feel angel's egg might also have affected the end of fire ending, in the movie, from the breaking of the egg which leads to the girl drowning, many new eggs are born, much like how in the end of fire ending, the fire keeper says that one day tiny flames will dance across the darkness, even though the first flame has faded
This is one of your best videos, Vaati. I sincerely want to thank you because your content always is of incredible quality.
Good gosh these video presentations are gorgeous. Every one a diamond so far. Please keep it up.
vaati: hey guys I'm going to Japan to kick Miyazaki in the chin because HE TOOK MY JOB
solaire was worshiping the true god all the time
praise the sun
source of light
love your lore videos tons of interesting stuff and very relaxing to listen to in the background as I replay ds3
As long as Vaati keeps making videos life is good. Thank you! for the amazing content!
never expected to see this anime again. it was a real hidden gem
Indeed
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And now I have watched Angel's Egg. Thank you! It is one of the most beautiful pieces of film art I've ever immersed myself in. And so now Dark Souls is heightened and my awareness expands!
"Thank you for being the one percen-"
This is the last thing I heard before closing the video.
In Braille: "Solaire is Gwin's firstborn"
Eduardo Bilibio de Oliveira it's either a joke or misunderstanding.Cuz the Firstborn is Faraam.
actually that is only a possibility, and Solaire being the son of Gwin is both a very old theory and a very old meme in the souls' community
Eduardo Bilibio de Oliveira for me solaire will always stay gwyns first born...
x RaSoR Solaire is potentially Faraam's Knight.
Except Solaire was never intended to be the firstborn. It was supposed to be ANDRE, y'know, the blacksmith. He was even supposed to pull the statue behind Frampt at Firelink Shrine, revealing stairs that would lead to the place where you put in the Lorevessel. The Primordial Serpents weren't even in the original design. These are all things that were scrapped before implementation, and that includes Oscar being an active participant of the story and being your foil in every way.
Also, it is pretty much confirmed in Dark Souls 3 that the Nameless King *is* Gwyn's firstborn. The 'Solaire is the firstborn' theory is just that: a theory. And no matter how old it is, it isn't true. Not just because the Nameless King is the firstborn, but also because *Solaire was NEVER intended to be the firstborn.*
Hey you can make a religion out of this
nodont
everything is a religion if you are brave enough
It's called the Way of White.
islam
Kinda counter intuitive don't you think? Especially when everything bad that happens in all Soulsborne games happen because of religion, like Gwyn and his Way of White or Lawrence and his Healing Church
Thanks once again Lore master for this insightful video! As always I'm left mindblown as to all the things that I've missed
I follow your work for a long time, but now i need to considered that this is the most brillant lore video that you have done
Congratulations vaaty , amazing work and insights.
Yo Vaati. I noticed something when playing the Gael boss fight the other day. I dont think Filianor is dead. Whenever you get summoned into the Gael boss fight, Filianor is is out lined by a white shade, something that is always reserved for NPC's in the hosts world that cannot be interacted with by the player. It is always used on living NPC's however. You get summoned into worlds surrounded by corpses all the time and they never get an outline so it is interesting that they wold give Filianor one if it meant nothing. I'm curious on your thoughts about this.
YoMama2143 but when she's still there, what happened then when you went through time?
YoMama2143 interesting?
YoMama2143
I don't think it is relevent because Holy Knight Hodrick are killed by the fall of cursed great wood and is body can still be visible for the player and the summons, but he is dead at this moment.
Iain Hanse
Katherine Luo wrong it is spelled Iain Hansen! ;)
I personally believe that the ringed city was a dream, like the Hunter's Dream or Yarnahm itself possibly, and Filianore was its host, keeping a portion of the world real for as long as she slept, yet when she woke it was dispelled, and we return to the true form of the world in the Dreg Heap, or the Deep as I theorize it is, since the dreams of deep seas Aldrich had never mentioned water. The sea was one of ash and dust, with the dregs seeping down to its deepest part, which is why the abyssal enemies rise up from the ash when they greet(kill) us. Also, it would be easier to keep a dream world real than it would be to suspend a place in time that is clearly still changing. Despite how Oolacile required you to travel back in time to reach it, keeping a place locked in time and traveling through time are different things. These are just my opinions though, and could be wrong.
OHMYGOD ive read "the dreams of deep sass" IM DYING
This actually seems logical. But what was in the egg?
@@LukeSparrow221 likely time or reality. or possibly the deep, which had been leaking out until you broke it.
Im speechless, you put so much effort in your content ! We love you
Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Keep them coming, even after the soul series is over.
Had Midir at 10% when the notification came up...RIP guess he can wait.
Regarding Manus - my thoughts on the matter were that Manus was THE Furtive Pygmy who was betrayed by Gwyn after the War against the Everlasting Dragons for the crime of sundering his (Manus') own soul and spreading that power across his closest allies. This stems from the knowledge of the Dark Soul gained by playing through DaS3's DLCs, the way that Gwyn has been shown to constantly be a jealous and rather foolhardy individual with little regard for any other being, and how often the ideas that seem good are attributed to him but then we find out someone else did the work. We know that powerful enough Souls can be split, we know that they can be split multiple times, and we also can infer that splitting the Soul is more like shattering a Soul than cleanly slicing one - as the sum of the remaining parts is never as mighty as the original whole (see Seath and the Four Kings from Gwyn's Soul as well as the Witch of Izalith's Children and the Demons of Lost Izalith for The Witch's Lord Soul).
Izalith's Souls was never sundered it was perverted and warped into the Chaos Flame, and the Witch herself was turned into a bed of Chaos which spawned all the demons, Literally by the power of a perverted soul.
Big Thundah when it absorb Souls, they seem to shatter into thousands of tiny balls of light
I like the idea, but you have not posted any evidence that would suggest Manus is the furtive pygmy.
There are many great content creators on youtube, but man, your videos .... i have no words for that... top tier, thx man, cant wait for next video.
I know I'm late but ive been watching this channel since I started playing Bloodborne and it's helped me learn the lore and gain a huge amount of understanding to what I was playing. Also you got me to start Dark Souls! So to see it hit 1 mil subs is amazing!!! Great job
I watched Angels Egg today and now i have even more questions in my head. We need a lore video on this film Vaati!
VaatiVidya I have a few theories I really would love your input on, that link incredibly well with what you've stated here, and I think could potentially shore up a few weaker points.
Specifically I'm going to bring up the linked Greek myths of Eos and Tithonus with Selene and Endymion.
Eos-goddess of dawn-falls in love with Tithonus, a mortal. She begs Zeus to grant him eternal life, and he does, but she fails to ask for eternal youth. And so as ages pass he withers, becoming decrepit and horrifying, and finally she transforms him into a cicada to be free from him. Many illustrations of this transformation look remarkably similar to the appearance of hollows, especially those in DaS 1, making me suspect that this myth may have informed the idea of the undead.
Selene-goddess of the moon-likewise falls in love with Endymion. She learns from her sister however, and asks for her mortal lover to be given eternal sleep, for while he slept he would not age. With the previous myth brought to mind, this one seems even more likely a candidate to help explain Filianore.
I think drawing upon foundational western mythology is something often missing from too many lore discussions, especially seeing as how the entire basis of the franchise is from Miyazaki's love of western literature despite being only partly understood.
With these two myths in mind, suppose Gwyn--knowing that his sacrifice would only ever be temporary--gave his daughter the egg, giving her an object for her blind faith as you described. Giving her the instruction that as long as she guards the egg, the world cannot end, he lays eternal sleep upon her. Now as long as she slumbers, she does not age or mark the passing of time, creating an eternal causal loop. She slumbers, and thus her miracle of faith preventing the world's end, is maintained.
We shatter the egg and wake her. In an instant, her faith shatters with the egg. Her task failed, her miracle is banished. with the flash of light, eons of time held at bay rush in. She ages and the world is destroyed by the exact same faith that held these at bay. She BELEIVED that this was the result if she should fail. In essence, she CAUSES the world's end by fearing it due to her failure.
Thank you so much, Vati. Angel's Egg is one of my favorite films, it is such a wonderful and surreal piece of art.
The way you let the music play out at the very end of the video gives me goosebumps every time
I love the music he uses in all his videos. Definitely has a souls feel to them. Does anyone know where he gets his music from or if there's a playlist on spotify I can listen to?
I think it is from the dark souls soundtrack
Do you know the names of any of the music used in this video I've tried looking and can't find it, i even went to the description and followed the link and it leads to a pop music TH-camr.
2 years later but what if the egg shows and holds time, showing when the end is near. When we touch the egg, it cracks and falls apart, pushing time forward to the end of the world.
What if the Egg and the Church and the whole city fit together ?
Thy Pygmis where easily forgotten, only ever to find mention in theire own ringed city, given to them by Gwyn.
Even the Ringed Knights where kept secret and they should have gone down in History for theire fight against the Dragons.
Gwyn send filianore there. This Child of Gwyn, has faith based powers and a Church to praise her, maybe giving her even more strength.
Gwyn was afraid of the Abyss. Gwyn made the Pygmys bow to him. Even in theire own Capital, we see them kneeling before Gwyn.
The Pygmys came to Praise Fillianore, for she was a God and she kept them safe.
She managed to seal them away. And to keep the city from falling to the end of Fire, by using faith.
But now we, unkindled with our Darksoul touch and disrupt the very thing that kept the Pygmys and the City in Stasis.
So now, all that would have, but didnt fade, now suddenly falls to dust.
Thank you for more beautiful insight into the world of dark souls, lore god Vaati.
Awesome video as always, I'll have to watch that animated film. Also the art of fillionore in the thumbnail is incredible.
2:16 looks like things betwixt from dark souls 2
It does ._.
Miyazaki didn't direct Dank Souls 2, he acted as a supervisor. Maybe it is coincidence, or Miyazaki snuck in some influence.
*FUCKING HELL VAATI I WATCHED TENSHI NO TAMAGO OVER TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU FIRST POINTED OUT THE POSSIBLE REFERENCE AND I OBSESSED OVER IT SO MUCH I COMPLETELY FORGOT THAT DARK SOULS OR ANYTHING ELSE EXISTED AND ONLY NOW, AFTER PORING OVER COUNTLESS REVIEWS AND ANALYSIS YOU COME AT ME WITH THIS SHIT AND DON'T EVEN EXPLAIN HOW MAMORU OSHII FELL OUT WITH CHRISTIANITY AND FAITH IN HIS YOUTH JUST AS HE WAS ABOUT TO BECOME A PRIEST AND HOW IT PROBABLY MEANS FILIANORE BELIEVED HER BELOVED FATHER GWYN AND HIS AGE OF FIRE WOULD BE ETERNAL SO LONG AS SHE TOOK CARE OF THE EGG AND STAYED PUT IN THE RINGED CITY BUT WHEN SHE FINALLY WAKES UP ALL SHE SEES IS THIS UNKINDLED PIECE OF SHIT BEING ALL LIKE "GWYN IS DED N' I'M DA LORD OF HOLLOWS LMAO, RAVIOLI RAVIOLI, GIVE ME THE DARK SOULIOLI" SO SHE JUST FUCKING STRAIGHT UP AGES UP AND DIES LIKE WTF VAATI PLS*
Daisuke Yoshioka This took a hilarious turn.
D A R K S O U L I O L I
Pretty much what I was mulling over when I watched the video too.
One of my most favorite youtube comments ever.
*OF COURSE THE BOLD CAPSLOCK ON NO PUNCTUATION MAKES IT BETTER BECAUSE IT IS NOW EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO READ*
Keep these posts coming mate they are amazing
im glad you made more lore, was missing it
So Vaati is it possible that you will one day do that Lady Maria of the astral clock tower video? You said that you would be very excited about it but then DS3 came out and you've been on that. Will we one day have our video on our caring lady?
parker maisterra same thoughts. it upsets me that basicslly the whole community swept bloodborne under the rug because it wasnt dark souls 3. it won game of the year for a reason, because it lit like lady marias AOEs
I really need to see Angel's Egg sometime. I've known about it since my anime fandoms day, way back in the 90s.
I've waited sooo long for this. You guys have no ideas how long tho
Thanks for the effort and lore. Enjoyed your content.
Don't quit Vaati, we need you!!!
Filialore
You know I have to thank you. because your lore videos got me into soulsborn in the first place so, thank you.
And again a lot of important questions were finally answered and at last everything fell into place with this confusing ending. Thank you Vaati. Really. But there are still (smaller) questions out here so keep it up ;D
Damn, I got goose pumbs when he said that Fillianore is the miracle.
you really need to make a SoundCloud. I just feel like listening to these on my way to work
fuckin love your vids dude.. started watching them and subscribed on an acc i forgot the password to back when DS2 came out, and you have never failed to engross the viewer as you shed light on a world that may lack it ... you will forever be know as the DS loremaster ( and hopefully more ) .. i look forward to seeing what you have in store next :)
Big thanks, I just watched Angel's Egg thanks to you, beautiful film :)
How about a Lady Maria prepard to cry man, you forgot about it
So like, pygmies are just another word for Humans in the souls series, right?
Like, the gods call humans "pygmies" because theyre big, theyre giants, and we're all small to them?
That sounds about right. Manus isnt "The pygmy", hes the ancestor of them, of us. Hes our grandad. Pygmy lords is just like a derogatory way for gods to talk about human kings, they think its quaint that humans try to wear little crowns too.
FrankieSmileShow no pygmies are like beta humans
The name "pygmies" most likely refer to the fact that they are shorter than gods.
The difference between pygmy and a casual human would be that humans have rejected and contained the dark within them. Unlike pygmies which seem to be in harmony with the abyss.
We should also note how humanity in DS1 is a shard of the Dark soul.
Dark equals humanity. Dark is natural part of them both, but approaches are different.
Karla states:
"There is one thing that you should know."
"There is a darkness within man, and I am afraid you will peer into it."
"Whether the fear will spark self-reflection, or a ruinous nostalgia..."
"...is up to you entirely."
Humans have been alienated from the dark because gods feared their ever growing power. But even though they feel nostalgic of it and miss to be part of it. It will be ruinous for them, because they lack control of dark and will be consumed by it. Turning them into monsters like seen in Oolacile.
Isn't humans in DS1 supposed to be "relica" of dark soul instead of a shard? A shard would imply it is less than the whole, while the dark soul is special because it can replicate
no the dark soul was split up into humanity, all the humanity shard sprites are pieces of the dark soul.
when a being comes into possession of large quantities of the dark soul (or large amounts of humanity) like manus and gael, they become insane with power and bound to dark.
from what I can tell as well, manus is the furtive pygmy, and Ludleth might be a shard of manus. my evidence for this is that manus is referred to as an ancient pygmy, and the only reference of an ancient pygmy is the furtive pygmy. when you fight him, you see that his boss arena looks identical to the kiln of the first flame, with an outline of a body too small to be a human's. this is where they discovered manus's body with the broken pendant.
in dark souls 3 we learn that there are multiple furtive pygmies, they watch over the dark soul by dividing it among themselves like how humanity is divided among humans. the arena for the fight with gael again looks similar to the kiln and also the arena for manus, only without the body indent. we also learn that ludleth was sacrificed to the flame against his will through is dialogue, and by studying his player model people have determined he's roughly the size of a pygmy.
what I think happened is that the furtive pygmy took the dark soul, and eventually gwyn found out. he separated the ringed city from the world and isolated it using the egg that Filianore protects, and had the Judicator make sure no one interferes. when deciding what to do with the soul, I think the pygmies wanted to divide the soul but the furtive pygmy wouldn't let them. the pygmies also needed a lord to link them to gwyn's age of fire though, so they sacrificed the furtive pygmy against his will. perhaps he began killing pygmies to collect more of the dark soul so he could have the power that was taken from him or not, but either way he is sealed off from even the ringed city.
Kaathe finds out where he is, and he tells the sorcerers at Oolacile, who dig him up. it is unclear what they were torturing him for, but perhaps it was either knowledge of soul sorcery, or the dark soul. either way, they break his pendant and he is driven mad, creates the abyss and is disfigured by it. he's beaten by the chosen undead and then breaks into fragments of his former self and psyche.
some suggest that Karla is a fragment of Manus given her description for her ashes, but if Manus turned to ash that would mean he was a failed Lord of Cinder, and the only pygmy Lord is Ludleth.
TL;DR if Karla is a shard of Manus, Ludleth is as well, and Manus is the Furtive Pygmy.
And then we gank spank their arrogant asses.
The only youtuber that I watch his video to the end his voice is so perfect he is keeping u in his content nice!!
I smile ever time you upload a video