INSANE $40K VR MOTION RIG - ACC Nordschleife First Drive in the Qubic QS-V20!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- The Qubic Systems QS-V20 4DOF Motion Rig is all set up and ready to go for its first drive! Perfect timing with the release of the Nordschleife for ACC, so let's strap on the VR Headset and go for a spin in this INSANE VR Rig!
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#acc #simracing #nordschleife
Lots of people asking what the VR headset is... Its a Bigscreen Beyond. Reviewed it here - th-cam.com/video/R7rkazI-5So/w-d-xo.html
Was just looking for this, many thanks!
I was hoping in a more recent review...
@@Pece73in my experience, if you get it and it fits right, it is absolutely awesome, great resolution, colors, fit etc etc. but it has around quest 2 field of view, lens fogging issues when you first put the headset on, and mild comfort issues with the soft strap and face gasket (occasionally). also a small sweet spot, with poor edge to edge clarity.
so when you get this does someone set it up for you because i have seen some insane priced sim rig and im just wondering how is it worth 40k 50k 100k i just dont see the value or is motion that expensive?
Brilliant setup mate I wish you all the very best with your fun I truly do mate well played. You'll have to keep us informed if you manage to get one, they can't be cheap surely I was just saying in the main comments I saw a setup the other day it was over 10 grand I couldn't believe it. Get this it looked shabby compared to the one your sat in. I'm gonna sub you mate and like the video I would like to see more of that. GVB
My view with sim racing has been that even if it makes you slower, if the immersion and "realism" is higher it is infinitely worth it as at the end of the day you are trying to simulate real life. Now i have to see if i have an extra 40k lying around somewhere.
Purely depends on what you want to get out of it. You certainly don't need something like this to have a good time, but I'm glad things like this exist!
Unless your a real race driver, your just playing a game, pretending you know what your doing, in that case immersion is absolutely number 1.
I've got 8 bass shakers attached to my playseat challenge and it's not because they make me a better driver.
As just a gamer, I absolutely want this!@@boostedmedia
@@00Clive008 bass shakers on a playseat challenge….thats more than the flimsy rig cost haahh
For me vr makes me faster
I am one of the very lucky owners of this rig and honestly, it's absolutely incredible
This rig is goals, I can imagine the absolute fortune that would be building a dedicated space for it, having it shipped, installed, setting up 3 monitors plus a good pc and a good VR headset, and operating this thing but maaaaaaaaan is gorgeous and looks like so much fun! Great video Will as always.
The one he is in starts around 18k USD lol
I was smiling throughout this entire video. the joy radiates through the screen :D
That is so good. You should have a series where other sim racers go and drive ir for a lap and keep a leader board. That would be cool and great for new different content and collab with others.
Will is in Australia, so not really near many sim racers from USA or Europe. Would be hard to find many to fly over to his home.
I know he’s in Australia and may be a little of a challenge. There are a few Australian sim racers I think. But hey it’s a nice trip for sim racers from other countries and they can also make content out of it. Sending an invite doesn’t hurt anyone ;)
I feel like Australia has a pretty robust and talented Motorsport scene. Even if it didn’t have American and European drivers, it’d still be a good new idea. International drivers would be a matter of timing as Australia does have international races.
That looks incredibly fun Will 😃
Can’t wait to see your full unpacking of that crazy motion 💪
When it comes to nausea with VR, my understanding is that it happens because there is a disconnect between what your brain is being told by your eyes and your body. Apparently having even a minor bit of movement of your body that matches what your eyes are telling you is enough to reduce the risk of developing it. So combining VR with a moving rig should theoretically eliminate the motion sickness.
Yep I'd say thats true in my experience. The motion needs to match very closely though. As soon as theres any disconnect at all it has the opposite effect in my experience.
For me, i get more nausea when I'm playing something like HL alyx, even when I'm moving side to side and not using a joystick. But no problem when driving.
sounds right, I tried my mates vr drone not flying it but using the googles to see what he can also see on his phone except I can move the view, and he just went a little to high and moved and I got a bad turn in my gut wore it for 20 mins, yet I have used a vr sim rig at like at a gaming center one about 1-2k and I was fine and loving it wishing I could get one. Guess it could be the same thing as to why you wake up when falling in a dream.
I find that I'm perfectly fine seated. My brain is ok with the visual forward motion in that circumstance. But stand up VR games give me the jelly legs. Lucky for me, I've found sim racing to be my favourite genre for VR.
I think I was the guy who get motion sick the most off all 😂. I was motion sick after 5 seconds of driving allready on my quest 2. After a few months of trying I sold the quest 2. Now I bought the quest 3 and I am not motion sick anymore.
I’ve always leaned on VR Sim racing. Saves alot of space with the Monitors etc. Saving up hard on the dream right now 😂
This is as close as a sim is gonna get. To those who experience motion sick in VR, it just takes time. 80% will feel motion sick in the early stages, including myself. I remember barfing, but that didn’t stop me. Little at a time and then after a while, your brain gets used to it. Minutes will be hours. That’s when VR will be rewarding.
Tip for Will, use a big fan for comfort, racing gloves and jumpsuit, will add more to the immersion.
Motion helps tremendously but you’re correct. I can now use VR with our without motion fine. For the longest time, I would get so sick…
Steve
As someone who always wanted to drive, but unfortunately was struck down by Epilepsy before I got chance, I've always wished to be able to get a full setup like this, if I get a lottery win then for sure I'll be spending my time on one of those lol
It doesn't need to cost that much to get a good experience. I got a second hand seatmover with 2 SCN5 actuators for less than 1000 Euro. If you properly set it up (Simtools SW) you get a really good experience especially if you combine it with VR. Of couse this in video is better, but probably not that much if you compare 40x higher price..
@@kecimalah I already own a intermediate setup, but it's nowhere near the level of this
Hey I get it! I'm partially disabled so I can't use one either due to my back and hips. Somedays I actually have to use the mclaren gt3 rim for gas and brake even.
I use vr with a haptic seat pad, a buttkicker, and a couple of dayton shakers on the pedals. They add a real nice depth of immersion - can feel the car on all my contact points: hands feet and seat.
I think the only thing I could improve would be full motion but haptic & vr is pretty close. I've whooped out loud with excitement, had so many fun moments racing with it.
So happy you're finally releasing this video. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try one of these rigs one day.
If your or anyone is in the US and coming to Nashville - come see us! Have all the qubic systems getting set up!! Even the 6DoF
I knew that Will was up to something when he didn´t show up on the day of launching of the new DLC for ACC like every other channels. But I wasn´t expecting THIS 😅
Jesus, man
Looks cool.
The thing too with Motion Rig is in a car, you don't get FFB in the wheel. Only through motion. So I would reduce the FFB a lot more to have to rely on the Motion for understanding car motion. That should help with sensory overload, but also, with dialing back the motion to what you need. It really is the same. You spend a lot of time dialing the FFB on the DD wheel to make sense. Need to spend as much time to "replace" the FFB info with the Motion info.
I tried a rig like that for Formula Car. The first time, it felt so weird having close to no FFB on wheel. After 4-5 laps, I was only relying on my butt and shoulders to know what the car was doing. Very different feeling. And definitely not what you'd want to do with a "lesser" motion system, like a D-Box. Those are to add feeling. The full 6 dof motion system, they "can" replace that missing car sensation.
Yes i like Sway and Yaw in my Motion Rig,Drifting is a lot of Fun with Driftcars
I NEEEEEEED to see what this thing would do going down the corkscrew at Laguna Seca
I would love to see this with a rally sim, or some other off-road type game. 👍
Welcome to the world of long stroke ultra fast reaction time actuators. Qubic systems makes amazing sim products with a long and quite remarkable commercial sim history. They are just very expensive for an average guy. An average guy can build a similar experience with 200mm ultra fast actuators for around 12K USD but when it comes to purchasing an out of the box bespoke sim with great tech support experience Qubic is #1. This rig is amazing and it is considered mid-range in their offerings! Looking forward to the follow ups... seemed like forever since the teaser video. For the North America crowd, the Noobifier on TH-cam is an authorized distributor with full white glove setup and tuning services. Thanks Will. Keep it up!
Looking forward to testing out as well as the “spider”, their 4 posts system and new belt tensioner!
En route to us now while we are flying back to TN after some CA installs!
Nords feels and looks so damn good in ACC!
I was waiting for this video!!! This is a dream! Looking forward for you to test their 6DOF, I wonder if it's different
We can’t wait as well! Have one on the way
The motion rig looks really cool, but what I am really interested in is you finally trying acc nord. I tried it out and I can confidently say I think it’s the best version of the Nord of any sim out there by far. I took a McLaren gt3 car around the track and I’ve never been so immersed and scared driving before in my life
Also the ffb and the details, especially with the suspension blew my mind, and it felt way more realistic than any sim I’ve tried yet, but that could be down to me being relatively new, and not calibrating my setting perfectly in other sims, but so far, I think Acc’s done it the best for me so far
Now that's a VR head set I can get behind. It's the most compact one I think I've ever seen. All the others just seem way too bulky, but those look more like a slightly oversized pair of sun glasses. Oh and the rig seems pretty sick too.
two questions: How did you get in that thing? and Where did you find my jeans from 1999?
Oh wow!! Will you are absolutley killing it lately! Keep up the awesome content!
Tbh whover made this imo did a great job as a designer/dev. Its not overly aggresive and you can still train driving on it. Some of these rigs are way to aggresive and finally companies are learning thats not what we want. We want something that we can feel but we dont grt to sick on or to throen sround on. This moved just enough and looked like pure fun!
I am psrtially disabled so these rigs are not it for me. My hips and back are to bad for it. I even have days i need to use wheels like the mclaren gt3 rim which I love so much for gas and brake. But god i love sim racing! I will never let me being dsiabled or partially disabled I should say in that eay ever stop me from enjoying what I truely love! Even if it could mske things a little worse for me physcially ita a good work out! Lol
Motion rigs cannot make you faster but immersion is a plus but everyone ive talked to do not want ones that sre to aggresive they want ones that are lighter just to feel the csr and whats going on. Becqusw no matter what the motion rig cant feel identical to a real car so when it feels to aggresive it feels esy to unatural and if anything hurts your time not helps.
Try attaching those seatbelts to a fixed point, extra free dof!
Would love to see you drive around bathurst with this rig
It will definetly happen :)
The VR headset looks sick, you look like Vin Diesel from Riddick 😁
Thanks for the workout! Rig looks crazy fun
Brilliant video. Will you be doing another video using Dirt 2.0. It would be great to see what you think it reacts like to a rally sim.
I wonder, people are saying the price is high for a single track DLC... yet they still pay for iRacing subscription and buy the exact same track for the exact same money xD
I bought it right away. Was under 20 CAD for me and that's nothing. I prob have 10hours of game play on that one track since it came out already. So yeah... great price... So far it's only costs 2 dollars an hour for crazy enjoyement.
People are weird about Iracing. I pay it. I spend more at the corner store every morning on my way to work in a single day than what I spend on Iracing in a month.
Cheapest hobby I've found so far compared to owning fast cars.... I blew up two turbos in a wrx in one month when I used to own one... then an engine... over 10K in a month. I spend 10bucks on Iracing in a month... way cheaper =)
Nice to see you are reviewing one of this. I am looking forward to buy one. Can you please go in detail in your review over how it makes you feel the slopes of the track, vibrations of the motors and how does roll feel?. I think you had the setting way to high. It would be nice also to know how is the inmersión with the settings turned down. I would not like it throwing me around and fighting it like it seems you are doing in this video, would be great to know if inmersion can be achieved without that suffering. Thank you very much¡
Yep. All that will definetly be covered :)
I don’t know if the wife would quite believe the ole “I got it for super cheap from a friend” excuse on this one…
If only they had fans blowing in your face that adjusted speed automatically in sync with your car to give that sense of g force and slicing through the air.
Definitely available to do!!
will that's nuts but looks great fun and fun is what it's all about right! hehe great stuff 👍👍👍
Imagine this in WRC with original settings. Fun and Painful. 😮
Will you review the new Starter Fanatec Rig? Would love your opinion about it❤
Looking forward to seeing the full review of this! Hope you get to do some thoughts regarding the ergonomics - the wheel deck looks very close to your knees, and still too far away from you for an optimal GT3 driving position. Also keen to hear if you can set this up to work with triples for those of us who haven't switched to VR, yet.
I wonder what drifting would look like on this rig and rally racing, there's possibly quite a substantial number of us who are wondering this, maybe you could give it a try and make a short video about it? Nothing too fancy just a drifting track and a rally stage.
This entire video
"...pause"
😂
Love you Will, great video.
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What vr goggles are they? I showed this to my Missus, hard no 🤣 great video mate
Bigscreen Beyond I think
"Hard no" 😂
that looks so sick, and have only seen the start of the video lol, i wish i had the resources for stuff like this
Haha.. I was doing the same with my RS-Mega+ motion system with ACC last night ;) That last stretch gets super bumpy at the end and really throws you around. Was using my Quest Pro VR headset, 4090 vid card and everything basically maxed out and the graphics are just insane. Now to only figure out a good car setup so it drives more like Iracing than ACC :)
Awesome Dude. You're going to bankrupt me!
omg - i feel the same. instead of school fees, i'm spending it on my sim rig...
Do you know when next video will come?😛 Love your content!
"I said, Shake rattle and roll"........... I said, shake rattle and roll"........... That old song came into my mind just moments into seeing that rig jiggling him about. You know he had fun in it. I'm just an everyday commuter to work. Zero Rig. I sometimes push the car on those curvy side road..... I want to drive in that rig.
When you watch those pistons move, it doesn't look like there is much movement in travel distance. But you can see his arms shake as well as the clothes.
This rig is meant for the the professional racer. Possibly for those that have 40K in disposable funds. Or as a pay-to-play rig at a game place.
It was not discussed. What is moving/powering the support pistons? I'm thinking hydraulics with a very good variable valve control. Which means there is a running hydraulic pump somewhere making noise. Or is it liner travel electric motors? Those could work, if there was a weight counter balance setup that would bring the rig to center when there is no power.
Hey Will and thanks for this video! 🙏 Did you already try the Qubic QS BT 1 out? I´m interested in that one...
That looks insane, As many say that kind of motion makes sim racers slower, but the real drivers have to drive under those conditions all the time. That is why I laugh when some sim racers think they are running laps around the same time as the pros, run the track record times in this rig and your doing something. To bad the price of admission is so high, only a few will get to experience it. I know ACC is not your favorite game, but what do you think of the DLC ?
Seems pretty good to me! I've never visited the real track though. Seemed to be setting off the right kinds of bumps in the right kinds of places though.
I am really curious to see how much of the lack of "floatiness" relates to the Nordschleife having immediate turns one after another. I imagine the "floatiness" might be a bit more apparent on a more traditional circuit. Interested to see if this is addressed in the review. Awesome video, as always!
It’s definitely noticeably less with this over the NLR Traction Plus (also made my motion systems who own qubic) I ran for a while, regardless of the track. But will definitely be tested in the review.
@@boostedmediait’s been 4 months and we are still awaiting your review
Should try this with a rally Sim then you'll really feel motion sick
No,Motion Sickness in VR only without a Motion Sim
Omg I am literally in love I truly am that setup looks to die for man and VR too wow. I bet you can feal the fricking bumps, the road, all you need now is a mate to stand in front of you waffing a piece of cardboard at you for the wind and your set 😂. On a serious note though that setup is amazing I dare not ask how much. I have recently returned to Gran Turismo with 7 and I was researching setups and I saw one that was over ten grand, yes you heard right that is $10,000 over and compared to the one here in this video it looked shabby compared, and im not just saying it either it looked way under par compared to this setup so god only knows what this will cost but I will have one some day you better believe it I will sell a kidney and a lung if I have to 😂.
I wonder if having a VR headset makes it more realistic with more motion. Like if you aren't in VR you have more of a visual sensation of how far you're moving around, but in VR you're just feeling it and don't have a reference so the distance you're moving.
Awesome rig, I want that so bad.
I always wondered, combining VR and motion, shouldn't the SteamVR base station be attached to the motion rig? Is there a way to compensate the motion of the rig so it is not interpreted as a head movement?
Yep the software for this rig has VR motion compensation built in but I havent tinkered with it much yet.
Super sick dude! I always wondered how big the power consumption would be on these motion rigs. Any idea?
Will definetly cover it as part of the review.
Great video Will. Whats the price of it? Wonder how it compares to my 3 DOF self build
Try the lap again with motion off and compare the times, cus 8:57 is 40-50 seconds off a good time
ACC and VR in the same sentence is always weird lol. I run a 3 dof, and it's already amazing. I really want to try one of those to see if it makes so much difference and if its worth the extra budget.
I can imagine this being very good at learning proper muscle memory for braking and rotation as you can actually feel your inputs rather than just visually seeing them.
Oh wow, this is insane! Looks very responsive.
Brand loyalty has me buying all the ACC DLC...
Man.. what I’d give. 😍
That’s freaking Awesome but definitely not gonna be able to pick one of these up lol 😆🤣😂…..so damn cool wow ✌🏽👍🏼 …..wish I could pick one up 😆😬
How did the VR tracking work with the rig moving. That has been my concern with VR and motion rigs. In the video you look like your view is moving a lot which make me assume the VR as fixed to the ground and not the rig. Curious on your take
Trying to decide on a motion system more for flight sim. Being very new to flight sim and motion systems, do you think this would be a good system for flight?
“Witness me!” proceeds to spray paint his teat.
a small nitpick but the in game wheel angle not matching your IRL wheel angle would really mess with me. I'm sure thats fixable though.
Such a great piece of kit !! And many THX for your video 1 & now #2... Unfortunately, the Qubic Systems Motion Rig way beyond my wallet's reach so instead I've been looking @ The DOF Reality motion simulator platform - specifically their P3 model. Do you have any plans to review it & bless us ;>) with your much appreciated opinions? So sorry for mentioning what might be considered a competitive product but for me The DOF Reality motion simulator a more financially accessible alternative. My plan is to use it with the Bigscreen Beyond VR headset.
Hi, do you think this simulator is the best so far for practicing real life racing? I ask you because you have tried many kind of them.
I think he liked it
I want to see you take that thing to Crandon in the Pro 4
Will would the simucube active pedals fit in that footwell. I think they would but I’ve got 2 active pedals with the simucube pedal plate and wondering if it would fit in there. Thoughts?
i wish i have the $$$... still love my PSVR2 and GT7 on tgt2 and G923 setup on NLR 2.O stand and Xrocker chair with NLR H8... heck we don't even have fanatec in NZ 😂😂😂... building a G923 for ForzaHorizon5 this weekend... planning on getting a MozaR3, is it worth the upgrade???
now do it in beamng with lots of jumps. Anyways, are you gonna do a review on the Somnium VR1 VR headset? It may not be the small form factor you love from the BSB, but it has crazy clarity and crazy fov
I'm in danger😂
I'd love to see how this motion rig react when in a crash. CORRECTION: 8:24.... i;m surprised it didnt mimic a real crash
Hey Will, nice shirt 😉
Hello Will, can you do a review of the fanatec csl cockpit?
Apparently it’s “not possible” for them to send us one, so not sure at the moment.
It's cool and all, but my main issue is that because the base stations aren't on the rig, when you get shaken around in the rig your head moves in-game, when you should be stationary in relation to your seat.
Which.. will just completely ruin any consistently in the driving.
If the base stations would be mounted onto the motion rig, that would remove this issue.
The software for the rig has inbuilt motion compensation which I haven't played around with much yet, but it actually didn't feel that weird to me driving because under those kinds of conditions your head rattles around qutie a bit anyway. the difference is in real life your brain compensates for it (and it does in the sim too), but for you guys watching the video capture it looks a lot rougher.
Thats actually one of the big reasons we built the triple 65in 4K rig. Wanted to try and recreate what the driver actually sees rather than what a camera on their helmet would see.
@@boostedmedia yeah, it.. seems alright. I would still be quite sceptical of it. The whole reason the top drivers don't use VR is because of consistency. Things need to be exactly the same, always. But for the immersion factor, motion rig in VR is absolutely the way to go, however you need that perfect 1:1 movement ratio to at least keep that part consistent. I've been driving ACC in VR for coming up on 1k hours now, and if my head is just a couple mm off alignment, things feel very wrong. Never tried a motion rig so can't truly comment on it of course.
Would be interesting to see what magic you can make with the motion compensation software of course! It's a really neat concept.
Question is, could that VR headset fit under a Race Helmet? full immersion >:3
Hi I’m on the market for a new rig, would you recommend this over a dbox or any 4 actuators at each corner of a rig for that matter
This is wild!!!
Maybe someone asked it already, but what kind of graphics settings are you running?
Isn't VR in ACC kind of bad? Did that get fixed at some point?
ACC looks awful in VR. It's either a shimmery mess (no AA), a blurry mess (all of the AAs because they're temporal) or a smeary mess (DLSS leaving trails behind the cars)
I am really hoping AC2 uses MSAA for VR!
Hi @boostedmedia I have a question I have D-box Gen 1 but I saw your video and now I want so bad this Qubic system qs-v20 I want your honest advice on this system do you think worth it? is almost 20k in the USA I don't want to make a mistake only because it will look cool in my room please let me know your thoughts.
We will have a full review up soon but I personally couldn’t justify $20k US for it.
I’m also using a Bigscreen beyond headset with my motion rig and am curious if you experienced the interference from the motion rig servos affecting the beyond’s tracking reception. I had massive issues with the beyond and motion servos causing problems with tracking. Where’s the base station in the setup shown? Did you have to take any steps to deal with interference with the headset and motion servos?
No I didn’t experience any issues with tracking at all. Base stations are sitting on light stands in front of the rig.
Looks very fun
Would be interesting to hear your opinion vs the 3DOF dbox system
Will do when we get into the review :)
I see the bumping and rotation, but I don't see anything that would give you the feeling of g-loading. Without simulating even a single G in a turn or when accelerating or even braking, it's still not where it needs to be.
Yes, that would likely require a full gyrosphere-style setup, so it can lay you over onto your side or completely vertically (up or down) and even then move you quickly away from the ground in order to get you above 1G in any direction. Obviously, it would never approach the g-forces you'd get in a real race, but it'd be a hell of a lot more realistic than the bumps and rotations you get here. Without that, it seems pretty lacking.
Insane stuff Will! How does the 72Hz refresh rate feel in VR? is it smooth? Infound that all below 80Hz feels a bit weird on my reverb G2
It feels weird because it's not the native refresh rate of the headset in the G2. If 72hz is the native refresh rate of the Bigscreen headset, it will feel absolutely fine.
I have Quest 3 and even dropping to 45fps in some games feels okay to me. When I play games on flat screen I cannot stand anything below 120fps. I notice too much stutter.
@@filipivan5125 really with 45fps you feel comfortable? are you sure VR motion smoothing is off? Motion smoothing works great, but is not really the same as real 90fps
Awesome!!!!!!!!
How do you find the lack of fov in VR compared to your daily rig? I'd love VR to become my daily but I really can't get past the lack of peripheral vision - feels like driving with blinkers on
I know you touched on this in a previous vr video but would appreciate a view after using it in a full motion rig
Haven't spent any time with other cars around me yet so I will reserve judgement for now.
Bro finally found the screwdriver 👌
The heave telemetry in ACC is not that great vs iRacing. The telemetry only supports 0 to 3 (Max), so the detail isnt really there, making heave more jarring than iRacing. This is a limitation of ACC's telemetry. I'd be curious to get your feedback in iRacing on this track in the same car, you may notice its a bit smoother / more detailed.
Does it account for which side of the car you're sitting?
Joe Rogan must've felt furious for spending 70k on his rig.. 😂😂😂
How do you figure?
Even Will said he uses the Dbox on his main which is what Joe has.
Joe also has 4 more wheels while also having this same wheel.
Joes pedals are significantly better
And because in Joes studio, with how many people are on it went with triple screens.
This sim rig that will has here if matched 1 to 1 with all the add one would be more as just this motion system is twice as much as Dbox…. We have it.
nice
Motion systems shouldn’t cost more than $10k…. Change my mind
Almost the ideal system (FFB, motion + VR).
Two remaining issues - almost no tilt and too much cost.
Wonder if it feels different in rF2/LMU and iR.
Question: Why has ACC no FFB for TC and ABS (or blocking wheels) like the old AC? This makes it unable to play without these features turned on. I wonder how this feedback is translated into such a motion rig though.
On my rig, I have two dayton bass shakers attached to the pedals - one on the throttle and one on the brake. I've then mapped abs to brake pedal and tc to throttle, plus a few extra effects for added immersion. Works really nicely.
@@magnusr3428 Thanks for the only constructive comment so far, if this works in ACC then this looks like a great option!
I hope you to review gama xta pro g6 motion gear from korea