Denigration of Carnatic Music & Hinduphobia - TM Krishna Controversy | Dr. Gautam Desiraju on ACP 66
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- Professor Gautam R. Desiraju is a renowned Indian chemist and educationist who has contributed substantially to the themes of crystal engineering and weak hydrogen bonding. He is one of the most highly cited Indian scientists with over 450 research papers, 60000+ citations and an h-index of 100.
He is also a trained Carnatic singer.
In this podcast we discuss denigration of Carnatic music, vilification of Hindu spirituality and Hinduphobia - in the context of the ongoing TM Krishna controversy.
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Mr. TM Krishna is the most Brahmin-Phobic or Anti-Brahmin person, who supported Genocide of Brahmins Openly. This is one of the reason Why most Karnatic Musician belonging to South Indian Brahmins are Boycotting.
He is commenting about M.S.amma,and degrading ladies,promoting EVR,speaking in the same way of Dravidian parties.
I happen to be a Carnatic Musician and teacher and I can tell you that I have non Brahmin and even Christian students who are passionate about Carnatic music. Who is TMK trying to fool?
Absolutely. Even muslims
all for a few dollars few camera clicks and idiots like TMK will stand and beg by talking nonsense about sanathana
As a Telugu I’m curious why Telugus generally do not pursued Carnatic music as seriously in Tambrahms. Many kritis are in Telugu but even here in the Bay Area the serious students are the Tamils and Tambrahms.
@@L20241 I think it is the cinema that telugus consume so much..
And another conspicuous feature of Telugus is lack of self respect in the context of not taking pride of their mother tongue. .it is very often spoken in hush hush when you encounter telugus outside of Bharat
@@ravs4461 interesting I have heard this complaint that they prefer cinema music to Carnatic! Nirmala Seetharaman herself made a impassioned speech in Telugu to get them to have a similar December margazhi music season concerts and kutcheris in Andhra the way it’s done in Chennai
Top class from Prof Desiraju..Dr Desiraju is world renowned crystallographer who taught many years at Central University Hyderabad. We all knew him as a great researcher.
A true patriot like his grandfather, the Hon former President Dr Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan. We need many such great personalities to come out in public and speak out.
Thank you for these kind words
@@gautamdesiraju9717 the principal upsnishads by Dr sarvepalli radhakrishnan is brilliant. Could you discuss the Radhakrishnan and Hussain educational committee report regarding Indian education system??
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Sir good morning.you don't know me. I am your big gan. You are the best crustallograper worked on H bonding in thw world. I teach chemistry in a school@@gautamdesiraju9717
Oh my god…didn’t know prof desiraju sir is the grandson of S. Radhakrishna…now I can see reflections of him in sir
Thanks Abhijitji for this podcast. Thanks Desirajuji for helping us realise the gravity of this tmk issue.
ok so what are you going to do about it now? Just sit on your a$$ and watch more videos? DO SOMETHING. ANYTHING.
@@musicworship4520how do you know she won't do anything? What gives you the right to be so disrespectful, and for that matter, what have you done?
I think TM Krishna fell short of calling himself god ,only to be shown his true place by Smt. Ranjini and Gayatri. Kudos to them.
Suchpeopleofvauge S will try to shelter
T.M.Krishna should start a music school exclusively for students belonging to all castes other than brahmins. He should be prepared to conduct his daughter(s) marriage as a rationalist avoiding prohits who are brahmins.
That’s the problem with so called people who hate pure anything because they are too stupid to learn anything so they want to denigrate it
T.M. Krishnaji Paadaabhi vandanamulu
Instead of so much fuss about voiceless defenseless and considered insignificant brahmins he should disown his lineage and braminical practices ..including his name.
This is a wealth of knowledge. I am now almost glad that the controversy happened that I could pick so much details into the carnatic. I keep hearing these songs everyday and they mean somuch to me
Why TMK????? There are many who deserve the award, e.g.,Vidwan Shri Ramkumar, and Vidwan Vijay Siva. In awarding TMK, the politics, biases, nepotism and arrogance of the MMA as can be seen in Mr. N. Murali’s reply to Vidhushis Ranjani & Gayathri is blatantly apparent. MMA has sunk to low standards. This is very sad.
There are many deserving people. TMK is definitely one of them. One year they can give it to only one person.
TMK's prowess as a musician is not in question. It is his diatribe that is problematic. He is born to sing. He should stick to that. His words are about as welcome as the cawing of a crow.😅
Dr Desiraju has explained the entire situation and issues connected to it with a lot of depth, erudition, carefully weighing each word and yet speaks manner which makes everything clear
Sir, I see an opportunity here. Like the way balamurali abandoned Telugu land to move to Chennai, I would be happy if our vizag or some place start hosting music festivals welcoming these musicians.. wishfullthinking I suppose.
Andhra had a good tradition of sabhas. It must be rejuvenated.
Who knows that may be the idea of those commies. When patronage dies down they can usurp the land or give it to the DMK family. It is after all a prime area
MD Ramanathan was not awarded SK. The reason ( hot be given hope I am right) given was Palghat Raghu was given and the following year it could not be given tp a Palghat singer as MDR was from that region Bit like a quota system. MDR passed away by with six months or so and remained SK less . They could have given him posthumously when Bharat Ratna is given posthumously . One comment , among the many which were said in anger was " We must have another Music academy . Madurai was suggested then as it had semi urban setting. Some suggested Hyderabad . Just like there are many IITs and the number is growing year by year . In US also there are many Ivy league schools. The place to have another academy would be Bhadrachalam . it would be fitting tribute to Bhadrachalam Ramadas. The academy should be free from privileged or family controlled committee. It can be done with crowd funding and global links money can be raised.
@@ramaiyer9348 completely agree. I would also suggest Kakarla which happens to be ancestral place of both sri Shyama shastry and sri Tyagaraja . God speed such ideas.
@@ramaiyer9348 Not correct .Palghat Raghu was awarded in 2007.MDR died in 1984.
We only knew that there was some issue going on but never knew things clearly...
Thank you for connecting the dots and made many things clear...
Sir, huge respects to you and Abhijit for addressing this issue at such an early stage.
Your thoughts and doubts about the early declaration of award was the one that came in my mind too , yesterday..
You have connected all dots and I am sharing this podcast amidst all the musicians’ groups that I know. Thanks a lot
I heard this 1 h 22 min talk by Dr Desiraju,it is enlightening and I forwarded it to many large family/friends,and asked them to keep patience and hear!Thanks for Abijit and Prof Desiraju!👍👍👏👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for being right on time with this sir, it needed to be addressed and better as soon as possible!
One of the greatest Carnactic and film singers, Dr. K. J Yesudas had issues with Madras Music Academy, as he has a Christian background. Thus he went on singing for local masses and introduced classical music for lay men. Every lay man enjoys his classical singing due to majestic voice and training under stalwart Chembai Bhagvatar.
And who is chembai bhagavadhar by the way.
Om Namo Narayanaya || Chembai Vaidyanatha Bhagavathar was a stalwart of our classical music. (1890 - 1973?) He was mostly famous in Kerala. One remarkable thing he did was to train various students from different social backgrounds free of cost.
His students include musicians like Yesudas, TV Gopalakrishnan, the Jaya-Vijaya duo etc.
I heard the issue was not because he was Cristian. He always wanted to install his music and speaker system for his concert, not using the academy system. This took incredibly long time to set up that disrupted the line of other performers time slot as well. So the academy denied his request of instalation of his music system and he stopped singing. Not sure how far it is true, but this definitely makes sense to me.
And Chembai was also the president or secretary of Music Academy for a period of time.
TMK, remove T and put D, that is the explanation
Today STALIN has appreciated TMKrishna and praised him for fighting for equality in music field.
Now we connect the dots. What Dr Gotham says is 100% correct
Brilliant analysis of current controversy about Madras Music Academy & TM Krishna - links with Soros , Kejriwal & Missionaries. Thank you Abhijet Chavda knowledgeable Prof Desiraju
Summary Sir.
08:30
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Magsaysay awardee getting arrested alongside TMK (himself and earlier Awardee) Music Academy controversy.
The ramifications of international conspiracy.
His 'raga' style changed after his getting the MA..
The nada bramha is the 5 faced 7-leveled Siva Tattva. Here Music is not an amsa a Religion, but it is Religion by itself.
It is a direct passage in Sur into Self or God.
Sur is chit and laya is prana.
If anything goes as TMK declares, then as a mere example
Pentatonic scaled (Sa RivGa Pa Da Sa--sa da pa ga ri sa, ie Mohana.S ( =Bhupala.N) is not found developed in Japan and China who revel in that scale. Why such a melodic family as Bhimpalaas or Mohanam were never 'felt' there?
While North and South of a declared "merely motley-tribed Indian land mass" developed this mellifluous pentatonic...only there is a mixup in naming.
Does dominance of materialistic culturalism lacking a definition of Self Knowledge have anything to do with this conundrum?
21:00+ US based
Hindus For Human Rights and its membership ....jaw droppinglie "secular".
Outstanding Sir, the divinity of Karnatik Music is brought out so nicely, you should be given a special award
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Sir, Don't know how to thank you. Dr Desiraju. Those who have opposed TMK in their own version have not touched on the issue infull which you did admirably well. Only after listening to you in Abhijit podcast it is easier to understand the issue from all angles. Even a Tamil translation of this will bring more clarity for those who follow the MMA selection of the awardee. A comprehensive analysis. And your selection of Names for the award is more meritorious.
I have respect for Abhijit as he does not interrupt after he asks a question
Agree with you about that 💯
So factual and informative!! My humble namaskarams to Dr Gautam RD🙏🙏
When our ageless Sanaathana Dharma is taking roots again and fresh shoots are rising, the old entrenched mix of macaulayites, communists, religious supremacists and bigots, and confused rootless hindus, and among them some born into brahmin families but not brahmins by Samskaara, and enemies abroad of a prosperous powerful Bharataha Varsha, - all come together to stop or retard the resurgence of that Dharma; the present roiled state of our society is a manifestation of this struggle. It encompasses all sections and aspects of our society from economy, politics, social harmony, to attack on our culture and traditions. Knowing the enemy is the first layer of defence.
Long ago I was TMKs follower and used to correspond with him on music. Once I sent a message requesting him rendition in Bhujangini Raaga. He asked me to send a note to him inBangalor Raama seva mandali concert that was due in three days. I promptly did it. He saw that note and remarked that it is not a raaga. Such was my anger, I sent him scale, alapana and swara prasthara of other artists. He then shut up and never talked about it. He I understood is an empty vessel with limited knowledge and also, his rendition is at times jarring to ears. My two cents is he is yet to learn music.
Brilliant
A new dimension with an unfathomable proportion to the controversy raging the Music Academy award by an intellectual.
Hello sir! @AbhijitChavda Appreciate your efforts to bring out this issue through Mr. Gautam Desiraju. Kudos to Desiraju sir for speaking out on this. Also, my sincere request is to interview someone who is a practicing Carnatic musician like Ranjani & Gayatri to get more in depth understanding of this issue!
Gautam desi raju should be seen more on social media ..his thoughts and opinions are fantastic
This was an amazing podcast. Learned a lot about classical music.
Crystal Engineering Scientist thoughts are also crystal clear.
Wonderful talk Dr. Gautam both on our Classical music with reference to TMK's MA Award & the underlying Politics involved.
TMK has problems even with the Structure of our Music! He has asked "Why should we sing RTP? I will sing ONLY Ragam & end it"! My answer to TMK:
"By all means sing only Ragam. Let us see how many people will prefer that to some artist who plays Ragam, Thanam & Pallavi"!
Mr. TMK, you can question the Age old Practices. But then your alternative has to withstand the Test of time!
In the contemporary Carnatic system, it's the ragam-talam-pallavi that brings out the art and craft and scholarship and creativity and versatility of the musical artiste!
This was excellent! What a wonderful conversation! You're a great listener Chavda Sir!!!
Great podcast. Clarified and shed light on a number of issues. Thank you Abhijitji and Dr. Desirajuji.
Being a practicing Hindu and a carnatic music lover, I strongly oppose TMK's stand on his divisive anti Hindu issues. Have stopped listening to him several years ago.
Some of the other good musicians are Ranjani Gayathri duo who were the first to oppose this award. Hats off for their courage.
What Dr. Desiraju did not mention is the role the " The Hindu" and anti Hindu and anti India, newspaper has played here. Those guys are on the board of the Music Academy. It is a compromised newspaper.
N.Murali is the brother of N Ram of the Hindu group. Like N.Ram , N.Murali is following the path of his brother and supporting the anti-Hindu group. It is best to rename the group as - anti-Hindu group.
So you create an anti Hindu group & put anybody who you do not like in to that group . Very good
Takes a great man to recognise another great... Both so knowledgeable.. nice to see a scientist so in tune with happenings and also the actual hidden facts.. explained it all so well..
Professor Desiraju, thank you for a very insightful conversation. I feel extremely grateful and lucky to have you on my podcast as well.
Thank you Hemanth
Love to listen to him everytime!! Thank you AC sir!! Bring him soon!! ❤🙏
Excellent intervew. Iam glad that someone had the guts to express all this. Many of the layers of this award announcement are very dubious.
Wonderful podcast. What a knowledgeable person! Namaste to him.
Abijith conducted the podcast very nicely. 😊
The design is sinister indeed! We need more such eye opener debates to save our Hindu Dharma
Excellent. He has articulated his views so well - basics about music, specific points on Carnatic music &
TM Krishna's shortcomings as a musician (lacking the soul) etc.
He's demolished the theory that Carnatic music is brahmin oriented - quoting Purandara Dasa, Veenai Dhanammal, Brinda, John Higgins etc. (He himself is not a brahmin - a Raju).
He also repeatedly raises the issue of the timing of announcement of the award.
Probably the best conversation on this topic. Worth listening.
A raju in telugu surname can be any community particularly brahmins....on all probability he is
Gautam Desiraju is very much a Bramhin , Desiraju is a Telugu Bramhim family name
You both nipped it on the bud... Good to know about this issue.. seemingly so simple but so convoluted..thnks AC
The very fact that there are minimal comments on this podcast itself shows how the classical music field is difficult to fathom ; for us, understanding the political agenda behind bringing down the whole community of musicians is not at all tough.
Art-oriented people and Artistes are the most elite beings living on the earth.
Political groups can never comprehend the intellectual level of artistes, musicians and the way they decipher the plethora of vested interests hidden behind such incidents.
Kudos to both Sri Gautam ji and Sri Abhijitji for this timely podcast. It is indeed an eye opener for the novice like me to understand the background stories. Though it was a lengthy one but worth watching and understanding each and every nuances of this episode. This is my maiden attempt to listen to Sri Gautam and also this is my first time stumble upon this youtube channel. Great to watch. Sincere thanks to both of you sirs. I became one of the subscribers to your channel and also Sri Gautamji's Twitter follower. Ram Ram.
Thanks for your kind comments.
Always nice to listen to Sri Gautam
Thank you sir for your detailed explanation. 🙏🙏I will never listen to TM Krishna. He is eating, drinking living in a good way only by singing the great Bakithiman’s songs and criticizing the divine music.
Thanks a lot sir I am listening to carnatic music for over 60 years. Never heard such deep conversation. Thanks a lot may god bless you 🙏
Thank you indeed
The management of Music Academy is headed by Mr.Murali who is a relative of N.Ram of Hindu group.We know about him. What else do you expect.
Also, apart from withdrawing from performing, he should be shunned by Sabhas so that his income dries and he is forced to reckon his fate. K.V.RAMANA. Guntur A.P.
N Murali (Current President of the Madras Music Academy) and N Ram are brothers and are the great -grand children of Kasturi Ranga Iyengar, who nurtured The Hindu in its early years. This daily was a great promoter of India’s freedom movement. The Hindu, under the management of Murali and Ram, has now become the mouthpiece of the DMK and on the top of this, a woman born in the Murali-Ram family, nominally Vaishnavite Brahmins, has married into Karunanidhi family; she became the wife of Karunanidhi’s grand-nephew by the name Daya Nidhi Maran. Both Daya Nidhi and his father Murasoli Maran occupied ministerial positions in the Man Mohan Singh government. They are fabulously wealthy, needless to add.
@@Mukund415 Now it all makes sense....All of us know about the detrimental ideas of N.Ram and Co
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Thank you Sir for sharing wealth of knowledge...n the connection with deep state.... TMK is another Jai Chand opening the doors of the fort from within..
M D Ramanathan, a doyen of carnatic music, was not awarded Sangeetha Kalanidhi during his lifetime. K J yesudas, was not awarded Sangeeta kalanidhi.
Very sad indeed, Isn,'t it
@@lawanyaarvind2810yes
Dr. Gautam Desiraju has good knowledge on Music & GK on Anti Hindu terrorist
Many comments in here say we need a new MMA. Creating a whole new organisation may not be the solution because in future another issue would arise and we cannot go about creating another MMA. Perhaps, we need to bring changes to MMA's protocols and position new people. Democracy needs to be remembered when prestigious awards are given.
Excellent analytical thought.may god bless him for long healthy life.excellnnt speech no doubt.😊
Dr. Gautham Desiraju is bang on the subject with sound background knowledge of the subject he spoke on, as well punctuate it with wit, wisdom and veracity. Glad to hear this illustrious grandson of the commemorated and celebrated former President who we look up to every September 5 for living a principled life.❤🙏
Excellent in-depth analysis Sir. Coming from a family of Carnatic music lovers, it pains to read/hear the unwanted politics. Music has always been a prayer at home. It’s passed on for generations.
So true Sir. Regards.
Thanks soo much Abhijit
Namaskarams Sir ❤❤
Thanks Avijit Sir.
And a mere thanks is not enough for Desi Raju Sir for his simple explanation on the Carnatic music and our cultural heritage.
Sir ❤🙏🏻
Thank you Arnab
@@gautamdesiraju9717 Sir 🙏🏻 I'm really really overwhelmed by your knowledge. For few months I'm listening to Carnatic music and you just explained it so simply Sir
Wonderful news amazing podcast. I learned a lot about classical music. Thank you so much 🙏
Very very thoughtful insights and what your raised in form of questions are very valid!! Thank you so much.
I circulated to all my relations,friends and well wishers. Every Brahmin, patriot,should listen to this speech.
I never would have thought of these many angles to this issue. Thanks for enlightening common people like me. Namaskaram to both of you for discussing this issue’s depth.🙏🙏🙏
Love that Dr Abhijit allows his guests to talk..Really learnt a lot
Maybe we should create a New Madras Academy, like all things in life MMA has clearly been lost to the wokes of TTK, Kasthuri and TVS family. this is one of the best podcasts. I loved Dr Desingaraju’s discussion on the constitution about a year ago as well. Will try and read his book soon.
Please read my book!
Where can I buy your book Sir ? What is the name of your book ??
@@gautamdesiraju9717Sir, Namaste! Thanks for explaining the devious designs behind the actions of TMK.
It’s not a caste (varna) problem either. Respects from Andhra. Jai SriRam. 🌿
Great information about what is happening now in karnatik music. Hope he returns the MMA award since it is ambivalent.
The discussion is case study guiding us to realise the unique aspects of Bharaterya culture, trafitions, civilisation. Thank you very much Sir for separating grains from chaff.
Sir, DesiRaju ji namaste, thank you very much for the information yes this is not political but "why March...?" Is very pertinent, the Hindu Human Rights is insult to injury!
thank you Sir!! You are a true anchor, giving space to the interviewee and subduing the urge to dominate. I look forward to your programs henceforth.
Glad that I listened to this podcast. Informative.
Excellent! Long live both of you!
Amazing clarity sir. Nandri
Imo-This is a must listen for not only all rasikas and students of Carnatic music but all sanathanis🙏🙏
13:43 this can be referenced to Sri Thyagabhramam’s kriti
Naadha thanumanisham in Ragam: Citta Ranjani for those wanting to know more about this kriti
Thanks for clarity of thought. Hats off to you Sir. Namaskar and Dhanyavad
Abijit sir, another reason so many attendees at the Chennai Music festival in December? Food service by competing cafeterias. People hop from one concert to another just to taste the dosas, uttappam, coffee, etc!
His ancestor was the first to be accused of corruption and license and had to resign from govt..😊
Correct.
Though the academy building is named after him
Nevertheless his points are very valid
Varna is defined by one’s profession and not by birth. This is as per bhagavatgita.
Thank you for bringing out this issue in a very vivid manner
Thanks for calling out Bhatnagar Award
My humble regards to Prof Desiraju. He is not only knowledgeable but an intellectual analyst. Stated the facts with crystal clarity without becoming emotional. 🙏🏾🙏🏾 Abhijit sir you are a true professional. Podcast norms are respected. Thank you for bringing Prof Desiraju to this platform🙏🏾🙏🏾
Very sensible and informative talk.. I am happy that a usually quiet community is not quiet anymore.
Thank you for the wonderful podcast. I wish many of the educated voters see through the timing of this distraction and act sensibly. Such podcasts allow people to think. Perhaps the actions of certain prominent musicians have opened this topic for debate and delibrations. We hope and pray that the country lives through this as it has over the last 1000 years. JAI hind.
Exemplary discussion... thank you very much 😊
I saw the 1hr 22mts and was going to skip it. Eye opening.
That is a good analysis of the problem we have ,in society as well as in music The 3 or 4 musicians he admires shows his open mindedness and knowledge of the subject The same attitude I suppose he carries in to understanding of the larger scene
Excellent analysis. Very informative and thought provoking.
Higgins was called Higgins-bhagavataar too!!!
Kudos to this great interview
Sir, So much clarity and information. Good I listened.
Thanks for the informative session!
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Listening to this podcast, sanctity of classical music is so candidly explained and we feel enlightened especially for those who are on the cross roads,
Vested interests are trying to delink classical music from its spiritual aspects. Essentially, an attempt to portray classical music as a tradable commodity.
Thank you sir , so well articulated the issue.
Dr Desiraju huge huge respects to your detailed logical details . Brilliant discussion and the thoughts of the future...Thank you Abhijit
This interview puts everything in clear perspective and leaves no ambiguity as to which side the patrons and the true followers of India’s classical music with unflinching patriotism should take - especially those who are not well informed of the history and nature of classical music.
You got it!
Thanks very much,huge respect to you,sir for the most beautiful, true speech, justice for the music
Excellent speech giving minute details explaining
Bhakti is everything sir
I am happy to hear Sri Desiraju to come in public to openly discuss about our country's present ills.
My question is what got into TM Krishna after receiving the craft as a family tradition. I wonder was it Magsaysay award or some rejection that messed his thinking to such an extent that he became thankless and started showing asuri traits.
Superb narrative! ThNk you so much for this excellent explanation with points from a learned soul! And how carnatic music emerged and swara laya and thala. I could not stop listening. My pranam to you sir!
Very comprehensive coverage of TMK's background (music) personality indeed!!
But, one question remains in my mind - how carnatic music is flourishing in Chennai in the middle of such hostile echo system (anti Hindu, anti Brahmins, ...)‽ How is it getting the much needed patronage?
Critical number of rasikas is still present.
Also i want to mention that the gods that brahmins worship like Lord RAmA(kshatriyA) & Lord KrishnA(yAdavA) to name these important are not brahmins either!.we worship them because of their dharma stance and brahma lakshana gunAs.These gods are worshipped since time immemmorial because of their sterling character, blemishless and divine!About TM KrishnA, the kess said the better!
Sampradaya is the correct word to explain what Gharana
Excellent expose of the Madras Academy controversy. Dr. Desiraju has elucidated beautifully the underlying currents ,the political overtones, the toolkit agenda just before the elections that too!!
Excellent analysis 🙏🏽