Stabilize Your Firing Grip with the Wedge Hold - Massad Ayoob on Master Class Ep. 19
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- In this episode, renowned author and career law enforcement firearms training expert Mas Ayoob demonstrates an unconventional handgun grip technique known as the Wedge Hold, an innovation that has made a dramatic improvement for shooters from all segments of the gun culture.
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I tried the wedge hold first time yesterday at the range. It immediately improved my aim and groupings! I left the range a better shooter. That simple. Thank you.
is it because of the fit of your gun? or because your fingers influence each other? just curious what the grip cured?
Which is amazing you were even on target. Word in the neighborhood is you can’t even hit the side of a barn
@@johnnydanger1305 And you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from inside fool!
This is becoming the go to grip these days. Pretty much all Spec OPS guys do this.
The wedge helped me a lot with overcompensating for the recoil when quick firing. I know it's not for everyone, but it sure helped keep my shots tight.
The thing I like best about learning from Mas Ayoob is that rather than just saying "do this", he explains why you might want to use the technique, but then goes on to explain why it may not be best for everyone. He has an excellent presentation on this channel regarding thumb positions in handgun firing which is the best I've ever seen.
Well I'm the opposite, but I do enjoy his lessons.
Agree Tom, His video on different thumb positions is great. I have been shooting with the same thumb down grip for over 35 years. It served me well in countless IPSC and USPSA matches. What chaffs my hide is when some young blood comes to the range and wants to correct my stance and grip, not knowing how many ribbons and trophies I have. If Col. Cooper and Mr. Awerbuck didn't have a problem with my grip I won't be changing it now for some kid.
Got a link to the thumbs portion?
@@luckythirteen77 th-cam.com/video/XVvUHsFdHK4/w-d-xo.html
This man has forgotten more than most shooters will ever learn. Enjoy listening to him share the wealth of knowledge. Thanks.
Yes! 💯. In 2004, Live Oak FL I wanted to take Ayoobs LFI 1 course but was doing a FEMA 🌀 contract job in Pensacola. Ayoob pushed DA only revolvers, DA-DA only hammer fired pistols. His printed gun articles are gold!
I want to know how to put my meat hooks on my S&W 360PD in a hurry.
Mas has given so much more than he will ever receive.
@2nd Amendment. You summed it up perfectly in just a few words!
Best to ya',,,,!
True that, great information
a legend in his own time. my dad and i have been reading about his techniques, knowledge, aftermath of shootings in countless magazines since the mid 80’s (and yes, i’m dating myself but oh well) and watching ihis “VHS tapes” on firearms training. he never disappoints.
I'm in the same boat brother , being older has benefits
I hear you. Ayoob is why I first picked up an issue of Backwoods Home so, so many years ago. Pretty sure I still have some of those old firearms tapes around here too.
Yes! Have been referencing him for many years to the idiots that don't believe guns can SAVE lives.
And also to those that edc and talk way too loud.
Thank Mr Ayoob for keeping us all in check.
You're not alone, my friend.
Me TO!!!!
Mas has no visible tats, nothing "tactical" or pretend badass, no t-shirt two sizes too small, and no backward baseball cap, shades or trendy beard. Just tons of smarts and experience. What a refreshing difference in a sea of pretend tough guys.
Well... he does have a trendy beard and glasses. Obvious hipster.
not trying to start a fight, but how are tattoos a sign of pretend badass? I have a few memorial tattoos: two for my sons lost, and for Sept 11. I didn't bury my sons, so my shoulders are the only memorial.
Any Massad Ayoob video should have millions of views.
i have tattoos i have a beard pretty smart been shooting since i was 8 been shot once and stabbed twice but surely not a badass oh no cause i have a beard and tattoos lmfao go away fudd
Judging someone on having a tattoo or the way they dress is actually pretty shallow man. a person should be judged on the content of their character and their actions not their sense of style or if they happen to like tattoos. They either have good solid information or they don’t, it is that simple.
I've been shooting almost my entire life. This is the first time I've really understood how special the wedge grip can be controlling lateral movement.
All my instructors usually just say, "pull that trigger straight back."
Nobody ever says, "Let's change grip and get better control of the trigger guard."
Mr Ayoob, you are amazing!
Although it's expensive, I think a class with Mas would be worth hundreds, if not thousands, more than he charges.
Using the left top finger to control muzzle shift.works well for my 1911.still trying to bring my efficiency with my Grandfather's colt detective special.
right they don't express the why, or try this way. Massad Ayoob understands that there is no single shoe that fits everyone. Respect that man he is a real Teacher and learns every day.
That’s because trigger control is more important for accuracy, grip helps more with accuracy on quick follow up shots
A teacher who's interested in teaching. Not just saying X works. He explains everything and even why things may NOT work for you, i.e. finger length, hand strength, etc. I can't say it enough, this man is a National Treasure!
I absolutely love listening to an experienced and intelligent person share knowledge on any subject.
Some gunners & youtube guys trash Ayoob but I've followed him since I was a teen, 1980s. Hes excellent & 1 of the FEW 🇺🇸 cadre I'd pay $$$ to get classes with.
with tódays mostly blue pink haired sheep, listening to a classy person as Mass, is refreshing indeed!
I thought it was just me....
love ole skool men of knowledge, discussing their trade!
Facts!
lets have some government officials with the same integrity
Love the comment "doctrine has no place in it". Too many internet commandos say "you have ot do it this way". Mas understands and has always taught "do what works FOR YOU".
"A way, not the only way"
When adrenaline flows reaction and control will be all you need for the moment, we take the rest to the range and do the perfect stuff !
I agree. I'm a new shooter, with only 6 range trips under my belt. The only grip I've known about till just this moment has been the wrap-around. It works fine for the 1911, but not so much on the PPK. This just may be the answer I'm looking for for the PPK!
Wow! Glad to see Ayoob is still making videos. I read his columns in the 1980s. He is a font of knowledge and experience.
He's still making vids even now
I am an 80 year old shooter and have been blessed to have been shooting for over 70 years. (Thanks Dad.). I now fight the dual issues of arthritis and neuropathy which make my hands tire quickly when shooting. I have found that my first shots in a session are typically right where I want them. But, after about 5 rounds my hands begin to tire and things deteriorate quickly with shots drifting low and left. I actually discovered this hold by experimentation over a couple of years as my hand issues began to worsen. Even though my hands still tire and I have to stop after 10 rounds or so to let my hands recover, now, with the wedge hold, I can keep all ten shots where I want them to be (with the occasional flyer which always sneaks in). I have discussed this with younger shooters and they simply do not get it, since they have not experienced the issues I have. Now, after seeing this video numerous times to reinforce what I am doing, I am a firm believer. My primary handgun for the range can be one of several Beretta 92s, a Sig p226 or CZ75 SP01 and this technique works well for all. When I switch to a 1911, I have to modify the grip slightly. Another excellent video from a master teacher. As an aside, I was a college dean in my working years and had to evaluate many teachers. I would give Massad my highest recommendation for tenure.
Try the 380security you might like it allot
Sucks when you get older, doesn't it? I have arthritic shoulders with calcified tendons, as well as peripheral neuropathy. I can get through about 100 rounds at the range before I start thinking about quitting - and that's including down time to change the target every 2 magazines (outdoor range)! So, anything, like this wedge grip (especially with my PPK/S) that gets me a few more shots downrange is worth the effort.
That butterfly landing on Mas’ gun to say hello! That was so Zen-like!
I love how he smiled when it landed on the gun lol
Two parallels meeting for just a brief moment... A sort of bitter sweet coincidence
Thanks Mas for this great information! I'm gripping and dry firing with my G45 before my next range day, and I can tell that this will rejuvenate my old, old skills. I've been trying to find the best size grip backstrap, and so far the Medium Beavertail Backstrap along with your Wedge Hold just might be "Mas Magic!" Thanks and Blessings!
Interesting. I started shooting 2 years ago. I shoot USPSA . In 2 years I have shot 150,000 rounds under Frank Garcia. I started with the weak hand low, then the finger on face of trigger guard, now I exactly do what he is showing now. Its what fits me. Thank you sir.
I'd never watched a video by Mr. Ayoob before, but will certainly look for more. This had to be one of the better instructional videos on any topic I've seen -- a clear, lucid description with no extraneous material or distracting personal ideosyncracies. Very nicely done!
You're in for a treat! You're going to learn so much! His presentation is excellent and the time just flies by. You WILL want to hit the range after watching his vids tho. I envy you.
Check out Paul Harrell also if you haven't already.
I've been watching him for a few months now. I first came across him as a result of looking for videos on the 1911 and came across him on Wilson Combat.
I've been training at a few schools and only one brought up the wedge they called it the hook it is a variation of the wedge. It is the 1st time I've ever heard of something like that and has functioned extremely well for me on most of my firearms the 1911 being the exception. I love how old thought is now new thought and the trainers from back in the day are re gifting this knowledge to the trainers of to day thanks again for the additional information I will give it a shot
I shoot my 1911 with the wedge/hook. No problem.
@@electroniccheeks excellent. My hands are just to thick to do so. I use the variation of the wedge that I picked up at Shaw and refined with Two Fat Cops.
Wow. Just dry firing now it feels so much better on my small EDC! Range day coming to verify
I first read Mr. Ayoob's work as a teenager back in the early 80's in "Handgunner" magazine in England. It's rare that I see some of his work and don't learn at least a little snippet of goodness. With my big hands, the wedge grip, is going to get a try next time at the range. Thank you Sir, keep up the great work!
Mr Ayoob is such a smooth operator, doesn’t miss a beat
Great technique --during COVID unfortunately less range time due to ammo restraints and try to fire about 1,000 laser rounds at multiple targets weekly. Some of my guns I natural did this technique based on excellent comments Massad articulated so well! Other guns, not so much.... stayed with typical “rap around,” which was drilled into me by various LEOs I’ve worked for. I’ve also learned throughout the decades of Government training..... when in Rome you better do as other Romans.... LEOs typically were “my way or the highway,:” once you finish training - we always picked the right tool for the tool box and really like they way Mr. Ayoob makes that clear right up front. Excellent Master of his Art👍🤠🇺🇸
Outstanding presentation. Not only on pistol gripping but also on how to instruct a class to all different skill levels. 😃👍
Thank you Mr. Ayoob. Your video has been extremely helpful envisioning a better grip. I notice the wedge hand using your 1911 has your thumb up away from the slide. I've been using that thumb to squeeze way too hard on the grip. I will be aware of it moving forward. Thanks again.
This man is a treasure and his knowledge is so incredibly valuable. But his voice is so soothing im going to use it as a nightime remedy
No one has broken down the art of shooting better than Ayoob on many different levels. For decades.
He is really better than that!!!!
As always, thank U Mr. Ayoob. U ,Bill & Ken are GR8! The Vids are phenomenal. 🎩 Be safe 🦊🎃🎃
One of the greats if not the greatest. Definitely not wasted time watching him. Thank you Sir for your knowledge and wisdom.
This man taught me speed loading of a revolver back when I carried one on duty and probably save me listen to him my little grasshoppers 👊🏻👊🏻
Grasshoppers, haven't heard that term in a long time. Well said.
@@zealot777 I'm a little grasshopper from the future, a year later. My gun guru when I said I needed to learn to protect myself : "Google Massad Ayoob. Watch Demo and Garand all you want, but learn from Massad. If he says it, do it. If he says don't do it. Don't even think about it. Thousands of people owe their lives to his instruction." Me : "Whoa! So his last name is really Noob? Like a new video game player?" Him : (facepalm and laughs) Me : "Whad I say?" Him : "Massad A-YOOB has been teaching firearms when most gamer's parents were still playing cops and robbers with cap guns. On the dark day we lose him, their will be the largest turn out of police and other law enforcement you have ever seen, for his funeral procession... he is the GOAT."
Mas is Paul Harrell's Spirit Animal.
It is a privilege to be afforded the opportunity to learn from such a learned and accomplished man, with no more effort on our part than pressing play. Thank you sir!
Would be interested in hearing Paul's thoughts on this video.
I would love to go bass fishing with them. Lets have conversation
I went to a grip like this out of trial and error a few years back and it make a big difference on my striker fired guns and how much more control I had.
I changed to this grip because I had trouble shooting 45 ACP accurately through a 1911 (even though I could do relatively well with 9mm). I am pleased to say that it has helped me considerably. I’m still no expert marksman, but at least now I’m confident I could put shots on target in the unlikely event of a home-defense situation. Thanks Mr. Ayoob!
Mass has been teaching this technique for decades because it works. It’s worked for me since 2003 when I learned it at LFI!👍🏻
I used to love reading his articles in Martial Arts magazines. Great writer.
Having watched and listened, I put this into practice this morning on the range.
Pretty much as Massud explains it.
Took a couple of magazines to get the feel of this grip. By the third magazine, it came naturally.
Pulled in all shots to a ping-pong sized group from 12m .
Was very impressed.
Will continue to work on it a few more range visits and see how I adapt to it.
Thanks you for sharing your knowledge, God bless.
This technique is a game changer, especially firing da/sa Pistols.
Respect for this Legend
Lots of competition shooters use a hold like this very successfully . I have long hands so I go right over the trigger guard and that version works for me
I remember reading Massad's pistol articles in the gun mags back in the 80s. Excellent.
First time listening.. Thank you. It was very informative and something I will try
Gotta love him! Thanks to the Wilson channel for bringing him on. Loved the OPTION #3! No one picked it, but it was refreshing to see it there. Great sense of humor with that!
Thank you, I'm in the process of getting my CCW and this, I'm sure will be a great help
definitely gonna give this a try at my next range trip.
I use a variation of both the wedge and finger forward wrap with my support hand. It works for me. This is something that requires training and practice. As stated every grip is different and may not be suitable for certain shooters. Great advice and demonstration with the different firearms and how it can be different as far as the trigger guard length and the effects it will cause.
👁♥️THAT WEDGE HOLD SIR!!👏🏻
That dip is my issue, i will try this!!!
Thanks
*1:47* I'd like to think that Massad planned to say "enough to frighten local butterflies" anyways and this was simply serendipity.
Great video!
I have been utilizing this technique since first watching this video and it has improved my accuracy and consistency guide a bit. I have found that an added benefit at least for me has been consistently finding the red dot on an optic without having to search for it the dot always appears right in the middle of the window upon drawing ant pushing out. Thank you for taking the time to help other shooters. I have learned a lot from watching your videos
I’ve seen Jerry Barnhart’s technique. I didn’t know there was a middle ground. I’ll have to look at it.
Regards,
Marky
I'm fairly new to handguns and I've been trying to figure out what kind of grip to use. This video was very helpful.
I really gotta remember to try this
Just tested it with a laser cartridge and think it works great. I used to always put my finger around the trigger guard on my officer's 1911 but thought that grip was flawed because nobody uses it anymore. Didn't even realize it was relevant as it was just the natural grip I adapted myself. Recently I've had left and right of center issues that I thought were mostly trigger pull related but this wedge grip fixed it, at least with the laser. Can't wait to try it on the range. Thanks for making this video!
Following up on this comment. This grip has greatly reduced my group size with various pistols but not all of them. Lighter triggers don’t seem to need it as much if any.
Very good information! Just one little thing it does not mentioning the more and more use of light/laser units right in front of the trigger guard obstructing the trigger guard for the wedge technique...I just run into that problem.
Thank you sir from Canada we watched and listened carefully, will be trying that soon
The camera angle switching, lol. Action packed lesson.
there is wisdom in this man. Thanks a lot!
yep. every gun I own. almost all of them hold... Slightly different. I use the wedge with a 1911. But. I noticed. He left out one of the holds. That's ok. People will naturally figure it out.
"Hello, I'm Mas Ayoob. If this is your first time seeing me on TH-cam, be sure to check on my first video - 5 Top Reasons to Carry Flintlocks IWB"
;Total bullshit. He's been pushing this for 30 years. He'll do anything to get his name on something concerning guns. Such as the Weaver stance. If you get into a gun fight you will not use this. your off hand will be used to wipe your ass. Takes too long to get into the grip. Practice with an instructor that's right next to you, sees your body, hands fingers and adjusts the shooting stance to your specs. One size DOES NOT fit all.
Mas sure does a great job explaining and demonstrating without talking over your head, I’m new to handgun shooting and new to my carry permit, sure gonna give this a try while I’m still learning. Also love his books, well written and lots of great info, thanks for sharing your knowledge and helping educate us, I’ll be following and reading !
On a full size Beretta M9, does the index finger stay on top of the middle finger, or on the 'knob' of the trigger guard? Thanks! Greta video, Mas!
Mas couldn’t shoot a dang butterfly😅 😂❤ “Mas’s comedy hour, brought to you by your friendly local butterfly brigade!”
Wonderful presentation on shooting excellence... thanks Mass
It INSTANTLY improved my grip! Perfect for 365x macro
When I first met Mas, back in the day his kings English was difficult for me to understand, now with headphones I hear every word clear as a bell.
Metal gun guys be like *a butterfly would never land on a Glock*
This dude is the best there is. I remember as a kid what a legend he was but I was too immature to really listen and learn. Also, there was no TH-cam back then! We had these crazy things called gun magazines, but made of paper that you didn't put rounds in (I know it sounds crazy, no worries). After 35 years of shooting handguns I still find gems like this. The way Mas Ayoob explains things is so succinct. If you listen closely every single angle is covered, and if you follow through with the advice as it is presented you will see that this is decades of experience at the top tier of the art speaking.
LOL, no he isn't.
"Enough to frigthen a local butterfly" Hahahhaha even his joke is serious
I tried it on my S&W Shield with CTC Laserguard, it feels so much better. Thank You!
Lucky for me and the type of hands I have, this is how I shoot naturally, I feel good about how my groups are.
I only noticed the actual butterfly on the gun at 1:50 on a second viewing!
Cute 😁🦋🦋
This is the probably the best instructional video on handgun grip that I've seen. Presentation was calm and collected, not some internet commando trying to jam one particular style down the viewer's throat. He also takes into account the different factors that may affect a shooter's ability to utilize a particular grip on a particular gun (i.e. hand size, frame size, length of the trigger guard), which most videos of this kind completely ignore. Very well done.
we need his voice in movies!
Thanks for the information it's appreciated very much.
Excellent modification to the thumbs forward grip. Seems very natural and a logical evolution.
I saw competition shooters do this years ago. I have been doing this ever since. My last ccw requalification. A 100% requal.
When you have someone who teaches like he does the subject does not matter because you will learn more, become better, and understand faster as well on a deeper level. I was taught several different grips through the military. Although they tried to push the wrap around through basic I learned from some SF guys the others and my shooting improved immensely. Hearing this brings back great memories!!
I have been reading his writing since the middle 1970s. We were both alot younger then.
Interesting information and I will certainly give this a try. Thanks for the tip
I once heard it asked, "How do i get to Carnegie Hall?" Practice practice practice was the response.
I use modified wedge grip . Never k we what it was called until now . thanks bro
Good tip, at least for me. All my handguns are striker fired, and in dry fire it stabilizes my grip.
Thanks for the good technique!
Thank you I have a sw sdve I hold it kinda like a taco with support hand its like a glock . I'll try it.
If you want to get good at something, always take the advice from the true veterans in the game!! I’ve unintentionally have been using this grip and I can tell my shots haven’t been going much left or right, it’s nice to know what I unintentionally do a master class shooter recommends!
Using the wedge has transformed my accuracy. An unbelievable change for the better. Thank you Massad Ayoob!
1:49
It's official, Massad is a bad-ass Disney Princess now.
Great video, greatly appreciated.
I can listen and learn from calm, experienced, skilled, humble Ayoob 10x better than most other folks. IF a guy know all the stuff Ayoob forgot about guns/shooting and Craig Douglas forgot about entangled fighting then he would be a crazy dangerous guy!!!!
GREAT advice, THANK YOU, I’ll definitely work with this some.
I remember reading shooting advice articles from Massad Ayoob back in the 90s. Cool to see he's still doing it and sharing info on TH-cam now. Very cool.
Not sure how under a stress draw and fire that the wedge hold is consistently do-able.
This guy reminds me of Hannibal from the A Team
Was mike from breaking bad based off this guy?
The best teacher about gun training on youtube.....
Mas, I could watch a hundred of your instructionals back-to-back. Every demonstration is all-meat-no-potatoes packed with concise, calm, wisdom.
Wow.... this might change everything for me.
Mas thanks for this video! I’m an instructor & will try this myself. If it works for me you can bet I will add the “wedge grip” to my bag of tricks!
I will try this on my next trip to the range. Thank you.
Love listening to Massad too like everyone else.
Still have his defensive books from way back and never forgot some of the thing he taught me through them. 👍
It was bugging me, then I realized Mr. Ayoob sounds a lot like Lt. Joe Kenda from Homicide Hunter.
"My, my, my...I'm liking him more and more." 😄 There is a similarity for sure. 👍
That butterfly improvising made me laugh lol.