VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch! I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion: Glock 41 (.45 ACP) Shots Fired: 93 Malfunctions: 1 Malfunction Rate: 1.1% Glock 41 (10mm Conversion) Shots Fired: 102 Malfunctions: 23 Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
@@GunSam Indeed. Personally, I'd still run the 45acp in semi-autos for self defense. Yet, the 357mag is probably one of the most broadly capable, trustworthy, and all round flexible cartridges on the planet.
Yeah i'm hoping to pull more of the younger viewers in. I am getting a heaver recoil and guide rod spring so I can push the 10mm a little more, I just need to do some research on how hot I should go in a Glock 41 conversion. Underwood ammo is cheap too, and Underwood also seems to be the biggest maker of 10mm ammo currently.
Glad to see you comparing these two juggernauts. I’m a big fan of both rounds. 10mm and 357 are on par with each other. A lot of people try to compare 10mm with 41 magnum. It’s not even close. Looking forward to future tests!
Apologies for not watching you videos of late but a family emergency and subsequent passing of my father saw me travelling 300 miles/day for 2 weeks. That said this was a good one to get back into watching and thank you for providing something to keep my mind off the situation! I might have to look into a compact 10mm to add to my choices of EDC.
Great video Sam! What impressed me was the superb accuracy and low recoil on both of those rounds. Both looked really manageable in a full size handgun. Looks like speed does give better accuracy. This is really helpful as now we have an excellent demonstration of these rounds in fairly standard full size handguns that could reasonably be carried for self defense. Glad to see the 10mm demos Sam, its a round I think coming into its own as people realize the limitations of the older (1901/1902) 9mm or 45 ACP (1906 I think) rounds. Inconsistent penetration in real life usage for the one, particularly when hitting bone, and poor barrier penetration and a rainbow like arc for the latter. Plus with the round size you get generally one less round per comparable handgun. Standard, no extension magazine for the Glock 30sf is I believe 9 rounds, vs. 10 for the Glock 29sf. People often don't realize how old in design 9mm/45 ACP really are, compared to more modern rounds like .357, 10mm, .40S&W, and .357 SIG. And I think the marketplace for a variety of reasons has selected the .357 and 10mm as the winners, mostly because they are so versatile in loadings. Either the 686 or the Glock 41 could be used for self defense carry or hand gun hunting where legal. Thank you so much I've been looking forward to this test ever since you announced you were getting a conversion barrel. This is consistently the best ballistic testing channel around ... love the use of ordinary items to simulate pectoral muscle, and fiber board for sternum. Pure gelatin tests can tell you something but not everything. Again thanks.
Thank you. I do like .45 ACP, 9mm is okay too. .40/10mm is an interesting concept but it seems to provide a bit of everything good, big enough diameter to get a lot of mass for good soft tissue penetration but also fast enough to go through hard barriers.
I just ordered a 22 lb recoil spring assembly so I can test warmer rounds within reason. It took me a bit to understand that the aftermarket assemblies do not have to be dual captive like the OEM Gen 4 lol.
Thank you. It's actually been doing well as while my subscribers are not high, I have a lot more subscribers actually watching. I see a lot of channels have a one hit wonder video, they gain huge subscribers but then no one is watching. It's sort of the opposite with me but that's not a bad thing.
@@GunSam You had a 629 - the vid you made of it was a deciding factor for me to purchase my own, and I dig on it. Hope you eventually get a replacement for it, although if $$$ were a little easier to come by I'd get the 610 too!
Great test. The DPX bullets have a good reputation, but they seem to need a little velocity to be effective, which is no problem here. I doubt the 125 gr would do as well in a 38 +p. In fact, i think the DPX load i. 38 +p is 110 gr for that reason, plus the bullet length issue with copper bullets. The 10mm load looks ideal. 16" of penetration with great expansion is just right (my gut tells me more than 16" is pushing it). I will have to remember this load when i get a 10mm. Cor-Bon is smart to load them to sufficient velocity, without going for every last fps. Your recoil experience bears this out. Hornady did that with the 357 Critical Defense as well- i think it is rated at 1300 or 1325 fps.
I did test these bullets, or at least I think they were these but loaded by Buffalo Bore in the TAC-XP in .38 Special and .38 Special+P, but I just used water jugs as it was awhile ago. They did quite well.
Thank you. Things have been going well on here, subscriber count hasn't changed a lot but the time watched has doubled so the ads they put on there helps me do more and more testing. I'll probably get into .44 Mag/Special soon
using a conversion barrel was a very intelligent choice to get a 10mm to shoot out of your g-41....now you can experiment also with the 40S&W with the same conversion barrel and yes it will fire the shorter rounds, and as alway's sam great demonstration.
Thanks. I have read that .40 should not be fired through a 10mm barrel, but i'd have to look into it more. I just need to find a dual captive spring and guide rod assembly as the stock spring is a little light.
Another good and interesting comparison. Looks like either of those would do the job, but agree that the 10 mm was a bit better. You may have to start wearing scuba gear. Thanks for sharing.
Damn, the 10mm did very well! Same bullet type by Buffalo Bore did these numbers out of shorter G29 barrel on Ammo2Go 14.3" 0.79" 1275 Think out of longer barrels the 180 gr Vcrown is best perfomer. Test that and the 200 gr gold dot if you can.
Thanks for watching. I actually have that 200 gr Gold Dot and i'm setup for that test, the issue with getting a great comparison with .357 Mag is an interesting one. The only bullet that uses what is essentially the "short barrel" Gold Dot bullet in revolver cartridges is the .38 Special and .357 Mag "short barrel" loads, all other .357 ammo from them is the deep curl hollow point, but nonetheless I will be testing that 10mm round. I'll keep an eye out for the Sig ammo.
I quit getting corbon, had 2 boxes of 9mm +p defensive rounds and over half of them were duds in a pistol that fired other ammo with 100% reliability that day and other days. Never had anything remotely like that happen before, especially since it was 50/50 duds out of 2 different boxes, that scared me off corbon big time. Just my experience. So weird because personally out of tens of thousands of rounds I’ve fired, I’ve had MAYBE 2 or 3 duds with other center fire ammunition. I don’t remember ever having a dud, but I accept that I’ve fired so many rounds that it must have happened with other brands too, although I know it’s super rare with centerfire ammunition. The corbon thing was just beyond unconscionable though- I wish I had had the time then to call corbon about it and give them the lot numbers for the sake of other customers! But I’m sure someone else called it in if they had the same problems. Ordered the ammo from luckygunner site. This was about 4 years ago, before the pandemic so idk what was going on.
Wow those really hit a sweet spot, with light for caliber, slightly lower velocity/recoil and maximizing damage. Impressive. Have you tested Cor Bon DPX in any other calibers or barrel lengths?
@@GunSam look forward to it. I have carried various loadings in the G29 for woods work up here in UP. Started with Hornady 180XTP.... Also Double Tap 165gr. Gold Dot. In gun now. I really do like this one. Fenix makes a smoking hot 180gr. Gold Dot that I have carried also.
Mr Sam could you possibly discuss the viability of grasping the cylinder of a revolver as a defense against being shot by one. It seems to me that unless the hammer is already cocked pulling the trigger would be difficult to impossible.
The chances of stopping a cylinder rotation are next to impossible, but if one were to argue that an already cocked revolver is better than double action only, one might argue that a thumb between the hammer and frame would also stop it from firing. But all if this is mostly hypothetical as neither situation is likely to happen.
@@GunSam I was thinking about a situation in which the revolver is in arms reach. I know I can grip it hard enough to stop rotation but I dont have but one revolver I can try that method on.
Great video. I would like to see a bear load on both platforms plus 44 mag, hot 45acp 230 GN ball. Of course you may need the super sized balonie pack😎
Looks like I need to look into this round since I carry 357mag in my EDC gun.How do think this 357mag bullet compares to the 125 hp or 158 sp those are the two rounds I usually carry in my EDC 357 mag 2"snubby. Great video
This ammo is pretty low in power but that makes a great snubby load. There's very few snubby loads i'd recommend but i'm sure this one would do well along with the Gold Dot SB, American Gunner and Rem Golden Saber, all those are lower on power so handle great in snubs.
You need 4 or 5 of those balistic boxs. So you can balisticly test more then one round. Be able see if there is a differential in the outcome. love your vids
Thank you. I actually have three of those boxes. I have debated having two setup at once and go really quick from one to the other, but more than one of the same round would get difficult to do without using double the supplies. That's why from time to time I will retest the same round, sort of like multiple shots but spread out over months.
I have always wondered how 10mm and .357 compare, now I'm really interested in is how is the recoil felt between the two. I can shoot my model 29 44 magnum and it isn't too bad. I'll admit after 6-7 cylinders I begin to feel it a bit. From the lighter 357s ive read from people saying it's sharp and not managble and even with the glock 29 many people say its too much with actual hot 10mm. Ive been looking at a g29 for hiking but im curious on how it would be to shoot. From the video a full sized glock doesnt look too bad at soaking up the kick.
I used to have a G36 .45 ACP, so same grip length as a G29 but actually thinner than a G29, and with .45 ACP+P I don't remember much recoil at all. So a low end 10mm won't be bad, getting into higher energy it might be a little bad but probably less than a .357 snub.
it's all set right and level, I made measurements and all of that. It's probably the Gopro camera. Look at the rear legs, look bigger than front legs on the box right? It's the way the widescreen skews it, as all the legs are the same size.
Awesome test. I'm gonna try some of that ammo, if I can find it. Do you ever test any 40 SW? I want to try some Winchester Ranger 180 gr, jhp I saw on SGammo.
Thank you. Yes SG has a lot of stuff and I think that's where I got this ammo. I have not tested .40 S&W really at all except one test years ago with the Sig brand ammo. One day though, I might get into .40 S&W.
I believe the 357magnum should be compared with the 357 SIG. But it is so powerful that most compare it to the 10mm. A full power 10mm is a bit more powerful than the 357mag and really should be compared to the 41 magnum to be (fair). If I remember correctly a Buffalo Bore 10mm +P 220 grain heavy hard cast is significantly more powerful than the Buffalo Bore 357magnum 180 grain hard cast heavy. Buffalo Bore is loaded to max hand loaded levels. But I liked this review great choice. 👏
I did a little bit of research on ammo comparison, and I guess the 10mm used to be called the .357 Magnum of the auto world for a long time, and this was before .357 Sig was invented. The .357 Sig looks promising, but the standard load is 125 gr at 1,350 FPS/506 ft lbs, as where the LE standard for .357 Mag was 1,450 FPS/583 ft lbs. The 10mm is one of those things, difficult to get real information on as the loads are so under-standardized and all over the place, but the middle ground seems to be about 600 ft lbs energy. The hottest .357 Mag loads I tested in my 4" barrel were between 700 and 750 ft lbs with various bullet weights. I plan to only test defensive ammo and if I averaged it i'd have to say maybe 550 ft lbs with today's .357's and 600 ft lbs with today's 10mm.
@@GunSam I did read somewhere the 357 magnum can be loaded to 900 ft lbs energy (which is lower 44 mag level) but is not recommended for long term. I am looking at this from the hunters fram of mind not self defense this time. My thoughts are my (686) 357 magnum and (Redhawk) 44 magnum revolvers are hunting tools my Taurus 605 and Ruger LC9s Pro are self defense tools. I really enjoy your reviews I always learn from them.
@@davidsomerset8411 Thank you. I actually just tested the Underwood Xtreme hunter in .357 Mag, rated at 1,700 FPS 802 ft lbs, Underwood is known for using a 6" test revolver. But I only tested it in my 2" Taurus 605 and was getting something like 1,425 FPS and 520 ft lbs or something along those lines, so that one had some power for .357 Mag.
I have to disagree because cylinder gap is unavoidable, and averages 5% velocity loss. If over an inch was added to the revolver there would be way more advantage to the revolver, and going shorter makes the issue worse. At most 65 FPS was lost with this ammo.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ it’s weird that you do this. Nobody else does it so the results aren’t applicable to mainstream. Oh well, it’s your channel. Good content though, in spite of this idiosyncrasy.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ So your body shape also better conceals a revolver? Do you carry a full size or compact as EDC? I carry a full size because I like the grip better on a full size and I’m a big guy so it blends in with my shape.
When you really want to hit them hard nothing beats a Magnum revolver. It almost always insures a one shot stop if you hit them where it hurts. All them 9mm boys just keep saying...shot placement...shot placement... because it takes alot of 9mm to do any damage. Dick Fairburn collected 5 years of police shootings back in 90'. He found they needed 5-6 9mm shots and 2-3 .45acp shots to put the thug down.
Yeah, relatively light but at the same time easier to control and still good performance. I tested the Winchester Defender today and while the .357 was still light, the 10mm Defender was getting up there over 600 ft lbs energy, felt like my slide was coming back a little too hard, need to find a dual captive gen 4 high power spring, but I cannot find one.
@@patrickbolthouse7354 I found a spring setup I think will work. it's an NDZ 22 lb and it just drops in even not being a dual spring. I could have went with 24 lb, but I don't plan to go as hot as possible so I want something that hopefully cycles lower end 10mm ammo too.
@@GunSam Good to hear. I'm sure you will check the those other sites when you get time. Here's another www.genitron.com/. You'll spend hours there. Hand gun info mostly not parts.
Do you have a 10mm revolver? That would be a good equal comparison. The 10mm cor bon like you mentioned the .357 was in the video, is underloaded giving speeds like a 180 gr 10mm. Nice vid as always.
Great video!!! I don’t know here... seems like the .357 did better than the 10... better penetration and great expansion. The 10 is bigger however it only made 3 jugs while the .357 made 4. The 10 recoil is the deciding factor...
Low end 10mm recoil isn't too bad, hotter 10mm is still pretty low for recoil in the same energy as .357 Mag, but I think .357 Mag can reliably go hotter and still stay accurate.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ I thought about getting a 10mm, always considered it a 40 magnum. I’ve been shooting the 357 over 35 years, different loads off and on.. I do like buffalo boar and Underwood
Thanks. The thing with the .357 Sig is that while it's 125 gr load does match the average .357 Mag 4" barrel police load, ie will push that 125 gr at 1,450 FPS, the versatility of a gun in .357 Sig is limited. Now, if I ever get a .40 cal Glock or something and get a .357 Sig barrel, i'd consider that, unless I could get one for my G41, which isn't available at all.
@@GunSam Yeah 1450fps sounds about right. Some companies even load it at lower velocities. But then you got brands like Underwood, Atomic ammunition, and fenix ammunition. There may be others out there. That will load over 1500-1550 fps. But 357 mag is definitely more versatile.
Pretty much all the defensive ammo is like this, I did test some Winchester Defender 10mm today and that had a lot more power, same velocity but 180 gr.
These tests are no baloney! Either caliber is ssssssooooooooooooooooooo much better than the 9mm I would think people would do everything they can to be the Master of these guns for a one shot stop.
Could you do fiocchi extrema xtp ? They are way way way underrated ..... I would love to see if your tests come to the same conclusion... thanks again for all the content my friend
I tested their .38+P and it was pretty powerful. Looks like they make it in a .357 Mag but not Extrema in 10mm. Maybe if I can find it i'd test the .357 Mag Extrema vs some other caliber.
VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch!
I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion:
Glock 41 (.45 ACP)
Shots Fired: 93
Malfunctions: 1
Malfunction Rate: 1.1%
Glock 41 (10mm Conversion)
Shots Fired: 102
Malfunctions: 23
Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
.357mag, the manstopper. 10mm auto, the newer manstopper.
Yess. But the .357 is probably more reliable, however the big size of most 10mm's make them nearly as reliable too.
@@GunSam Indeed. Personally, I'd still run the 45acp in semi-autos for self defense. Yet, the 357mag is probably one of the most broadly capable, trustworthy, and all round flexible cartridges on the planet.
Thanks for the comparison Sam. As you say, both performed reasonably well. I'm partial to .357 Magnum and it didn't disappoint. Great expansion.
Thank you and thanks for watching. This ammo was pretty good.
Your comparisons Make My Day....(thousands of us say collectively). Thanks for another fun vid.
Be Well-Stay Safe Everyone!
Thanks, you too!
Great test Sam. I wouldn't feel under gunned with either one of those rounds.
Thank you. They are both pretty light, but that's a good thing a lot of times.
Ive been waiting to see you get a 10mm out one of my favourite rounds to reload!
This is going to be a good series, looking forward to seeing the hot loads in both calibers. Buffalo Bore and Underwood.
Either round out of those two guns would definitely ruin your day, as always a great video thanks Sam
Thank you, thanks for watching!
A .22 would ruin any day.
You can get a ton of mileage from the 10vs357 comparisons. Light underwood and heavy cast Underwood 2 videos sure to rack up some views
Yeah i'm hoping to pull more of the younger viewers in. I am getting a heaver recoil and guide rod spring so I can push the 10mm a little more, I just need to do some research on how hot I should go in a Glock 41 conversion. Underwood ammo is cheap too, and Underwood also seems to be the biggest maker of 10mm ammo currently.
Now both those would be the first all copper rounds I've seen that I would actually carry. Most excellent review Thanks again Sam
Thank you.
Glad to see you comparing these two juggernauts. I’m a big fan of both rounds. 10mm and 357 are on par with each other. A lot of people try to compare 10mm with 41 magnum. It’s not even close. Looking forward to future tests!
Thank you.
Pretty impressive... Gotta love solid copper hollow points
Apologies for not watching you videos of late but a family emergency and subsequent passing of my father saw me travelling 300 miles/day for 2 weeks. That said this was a good one to get back into watching and thank you for providing something to keep my mind off the situation! I might have to look into a compact 10mm to add to my choices of EDC.
Thanks for watching. I'm sorry to hear.
I'm digging your channel and I'm digging your round grouping 👍🏿
Thank you
Great video Sam! What impressed me was the superb accuracy and low recoil on both of those rounds. Both looked really manageable in a full size handgun. Looks like speed does give better accuracy. This is really helpful as now we have an excellent demonstration of these rounds in fairly standard full size handguns that could reasonably be carried for self defense.
Glad to see the 10mm demos Sam, its a round I think coming into its own as people realize the limitations of the older (1901/1902) 9mm or 45 ACP (1906 I think) rounds. Inconsistent penetration in real life usage for the one, particularly when hitting bone, and poor barrier penetration and a rainbow like arc for the latter. Plus with the round size you get generally one less round per comparable handgun. Standard, no extension magazine for the Glock 30sf is I believe 9 rounds, vs. 10 for the Glock 29sf. People often don't realize how old in design 9mm/45 ACP really are, compared to more modern rounds like .357, 10mm, .40S&W, and .357 SIG. And I think the marketplace for a variety of reasons has selected the .357 and 10mm as the winners, mostly because they are so versatile in loadings. Either the 686 or the Glock 41 could be used for self defense carry or hand gun hunting where legal.
Thank you so much I've been looking forward to this test ever since you announced you were getting a conversion barrel. This is consistently the best ballistic testing channel around ... love the use of ordinary items to simulate pectoral muscle, and fiber board for sternum. Pure gelatin tests can tell you something but not everything. Again thanks.
Thank you. I do like .45 ACP, 9mm is okay too. .40/10mm is an interesting concept but it seems to provide a bit of everything good, big enough diameter to get a lot of mass for good soft tissue penetration but also fast enough to go through hard barriers.
Nice video. I think it would be interesting for comparison purposes to see you do a rifle through the jug or not. Keep up the good work!
Excellent round! Not an easy one to attain, I have 4 boxes, its all i could find.
What nice scenery!
Thank you.
I just ordered a 22 lb recoil spring assembly so I can test warmer rounds within reason. It took me a bit to understand that the aftermarket assemblies do not have to be dual captive like the OEM Gen 4 lol.
As I’m sure you’re aware, Underwood makes some wicked ammo for both. It would be interesting to see a 155 grain 10 mm vs 158 grain 357.
@@scottdbsn I saw those, 150 and 155 gr.
Great video as usual. I hope your channel takes off; you’ve got some really good content.
Thank you. It's actually been doing well as while my subscribers are not high, I have a lot more subscribers actually watching. I see a lot of channels have a one hit wonder video, they gain huge subscribers but then no one is watching. It's sort of the opposite with me but that's not a bad thing.
Great test again Sam!
Now you might just have to go and find a nice Model 610 to go with your 686.
Thanks. I highly doubt i'd want a model 610. Maybe 629 though.
@@GunSam
You had a 629 - the vid you made of it was a deciding factor for me to purchase my own, and I dig on it. Hope you eventually get a replacement for it, although if $$$ were a little easier to come by I'd get the 610 too!
Great test. The DPX bullets have a good reputation, but they seem to need a little velocity to be effective, which is no problem here. I doubt the 125 gr would do as well in a 38 +p. In fact, i think the DPX load i. 38 +p is 110 gr for that reason, plus the bullet length issue with copper bullets. The 10mm load looks ideal. 16" of penetration with great expansion is just right (my gut tells me more than 16" is pushing it). I will have to remember this load when i get a 10mm. Cor-Bon is smart to load them to sufficient velocity, without going for every last fps. Your recoil experience bears this out. Hornady did that with the 357 Critical Defense as well- i think it is rated at 1300 or 1325 fps.
I did test these bullets, or at least I think they were these but loaded by Buffalo Bore in the TAC-XP in .38 Special and .38 Special+P, but I just used water jugs as it was awhile ago. They did quite well.
Love your work Sam ... keep it up!
Thank you. Things have been going well on here, subscriber count hasn't changed a lot but the time watched has doubled so the ads they put on there helps me do more and more testing. I'll probably get into .44 Mag/Special soon
using a conversion barrel was a very intelligent choice to get a 10mm to shoot out of your g-41....now you can experiment also with the 40S&W with the same conversion barrel and yes it will fire the shorter rounds, and as alway's sam great demonstration.
Thanks. I have read that .40 should not be fired through a 10mm barrel, but i'd have to look into it more. I just need to find a dual captive spring and guide rod assembly as the stock spring is a little light.
@@GunSam strictly experimental just like 380's in a 9mm.
@@Ford360CID I watch a lot of people do that. I don't do that. But I don't sky dive either. Just an opinion, not advice.
Another good and interesting comparison. Looks like either of those would do the job, but agree that the 10 mm was a bit better. You may have to start wearing scuba gear. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
Thanks for your time, great video
Damn, the 10mm did very well! Same bullet type by Buffalo Bore did these numbers out of shorter G29 barrel on Ammo2Go 14.3" 0.79" 1275
Think out of longer barrels the 180 gr Vcrown is best perfomer. Test that and the 200 gr gold dot if you can.
Thanks for watching. I actually have that 200 gr Gold Dot and i'm setup for that test, the issue with getting a great comparison with .357 Mag is an interesting one. The only bullet that uses what is essentially the "short barrel" Gold Dot bullet in revolver cartridges is the .38 Special and .357 Mag "short barrel" loads, all other .357 ammo from them is the deep curl hollow point, but nonetheless I will be testing that 10mm round. I'll keep an eye out for the Sig ammo.
Got to love me some 10mm
Oh yes!
Good stuff brother... pretty light personal protection loads for both
Thank you. I ordered an NDZ 22 lb guide rod and spring so i'm hoping this will allow for a little warmer rounds to be tested.
I quit getting corbon, had 2 boxes of 9mm +p defensive rounds and over half of them were duds in a pistol that fired other ammo with 100% reliability that day and other days. Never had anything remotely like that happen before, especially since it was 50/50 duds out of 2 different boxes, that scared me off corbon big time. Just my experience. So weird because personally out of tens of thousands of rounds I’ve fired, I’ve had MAYBE 2 or 3 duds with other center fire ammunition. I don’t remember ever having a dud, but I accept that I’ve fired so many rounds that it must have happened with other brands too, although I know it’s super rare with centerfire ammunition. The corbon thing was just beyond unconscionable though- I wish I had had the time then to call corbon about it and give them the lot numbers for the sake of other customers! But I’m sure someone else called it in if they had the same problems. Ordered the ammo from luckygunner site. This was about 4 years ago, before the pandemic so idk what was going on.
If either of those don't do the job, time to step up to 12.5x90mm!
Wow those really hit a sweet spot, with light for caliber, slightly lower velocity/recoil and maximizing damage. Impressive. Have you tested Cor Bon DPX in any other calibers or barrel lengths?
I think that the only Corbon ammo I ever tested outside of this test was some regular JHP .357 Mag 110 gr. So, I have not tested any other DPX.
Good test. That is interesting. The 10 is quite light for a 10 for sure. But it did seem to have good results so you can't complain with that. Thanks.
Thank you. I tested a 180 gr Winchester Defender today, did well. After that i'm testing the 200 gr Gold Dot and I also have a 180 gr Hydrashok.
@@GunSam look forward to it. I have carried various loadings in the G29 for woods work up here in UP. Started with Hornady 180XTP.... Also Double Tap 165gr. Gold Dot. In gun now. I really do like this one. Fenix makes a smoking hot 180gr. Gold Dot that I have carried also.
I wouldn't want to get hit with either one, good video!
Thank you.
Great review
Thanks.
Mr Sam could you possibly discuss the viability of grasping the cylinder of a revolver as a defense against being shot by one. It seems to me that unless the hammer is already cocked pulling the trigger would be difficult to impossible.
And if I'm right then it leaves DA only revolvers at a pretty bad disadvantage.
The chances of stopping a cylinder rotation are next to impossible, but if one were to argue that an already cocked revolver is better than double action only, one might argue that a thumb between the hammer and frame would also stop it from firing. But all if this is mostly hypothetical as neither situation is likely to happen.
@@GunSam I was thinking about a situation in which the revolver is in arms reach. I know I can grip it hard enough to stop rotation but I dont have but one revolver I can try that method on.
Great video. I would like to see a bear load on both platforms plus 44 mag, hot 45acp 230 GN ball. Of course you may need the super sized balonie pack😎
Thank you. I have debated some .44 Mag tests and have my eye on a 4" .44 Mag to keep it fair.
@@GunSam very cool thank for doing there's tests as that I think there more real world than bulistics gel. Best
👍👍really good video!!
Thanks!
Looks like I need to look into this round since I carry 357mag in my EDC gun.How do think this 357mag bullet compares to the 125 hp or 158 sp those are the two rounds I usually carry in my EDC 357 mag 2"snubby. Great video
This ammo is pretty low in power but that makes a great snubby load. There's very few snubby loads i'd recommend but i'm sure this one would do well along with the Gold Dot SB, American Gunner and Rem Golden Saber, all those are lower on power so handle great in snubs.
You need 4 or 5 of those balistic boxs. So you can balisticly test more then one round. Be able see if there is a differential in the outcome. love your vids
Thank you. I actually have three of those boxes. I have debated having two setup at once and go really quick from one to the other, but more than one of the same round would get difficult to do without using double the supplies. That's why from time to time I will retest the same round, sort of like multiple shots but spread out over months.
@@GunSam sounds understandable
A 10mm CorBon upload... Click!!! 😎👍
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@@GunSam Hey thank you for the awesome content brother!!! Keep it up!!! 😎👍
I have always wondered how 10mm and .357 compare, now I'm really interested in is how is the recoil felt between the two. I can shoot my model 29 44 magnum and it isn't too bad. I'll admit after 6-7 cylinders I begin to feel it a bit. From the lighter 357s ive read from people saying it's sharp and not managble and even with the glock 29 many people say its too much with actual hot 10mm. Ive been looking at a g29 for hiking but im curious on how it would be to shoot. From the video a full sized glock doesnt look too bad at soaking up the kick.
I used to have a G36 .45 ACP, so same grip length as a G29 but actually thinner than a G29, and with .45 ACP+P I don't remember much recoil at all. So a low end 10mm won't be bad, getting into higher energy it might be a little bad but probably less than a .357 snub.
In the books I read on real world shooting this Corbon DPX dropped a lot of people effectively
Great video presentation and testing Sam. Great calibers and cartridges. .357 magnum is still supreme in my opinion.
Thank you. Yes the .357 is more versatile. I have never seen a 5 shot snubby that fits in a pocket in 10mm!
@@GunSam agreed and that would hurt to shoot. Wristbreaker.
Yes. 357 very versatile. I enjoy reloading 357mag and 38 special. Great video.
Like your videos. Just curious why is your test box so high it looks like you're shooting uphill?
it's all set right and level, I made measurements and all of that. It's probably the Gopro camera. Look at the rear legs, look bigger than front legs on the box right? It's the way the widescreen skews it, as all the legs are the same size.
Awesome test. I'm gonna try some of that ammo, if I can find it. Do you ever test any 40 SW? I want to try some Winchester Ranger 180 gr, jhp I saw on SGammo.
Thank you. Yes SG has a lot of stuff and I think that's where I got this ammo. I have not tested .40 S&W really at all except one test years ago with the Sig brand ammo. One day though, I might get into .40 S&W.
Great stuff, I love 40 SW, 357 and 45ACP. Please keep up the wonderful work. Thanks.
I believe the 357magnum should be compared with the 357 SIG. But it is so powerful that most compare it to the 10mm. A full power 10mm is a bit more powerful than the 357mag and really should be compared to the 41 magnum to be (fair). If I remember correctly a Buffalo Bore 10mm +P 220 grain heavy hard cast is significantly more powerful than the Buffalo Bore 357magnum 180 grain hard cast heavy. Buffalo Bore is loaded to max hand loaded levels. But I liked this review great choice. 👏
I did a little bit of research on ammo comparison, and I guess the 10mm used to be called the .357 Magnum of the auto world for a long time, and this was before .357 Sig was invented. The .357 Sig looks promising, but the standard load is 125 gr at 1,350 FPS/506 ft lbs, as where the LE standard for .357 Mag was 1,450 FPS/583 ft lbs. The 10mm is one of those things, difficult to get real information on as the loads are so under-standardized and all over the place, but the middle ground seems to be about 600 ft lbs energy. The hottest .357 Mag loads I tested in my 4" barrel were between 700 and 750 ft lbs with various bullet weights. I plan to only test defensive ammo and if I averaged it i'd have to say maybe 550 ft lbs with today's .357's and 600 ft lbs with today's 10mm.
@@GunSam I did read somewhere the 357 magnum can be loaded to 900 ft lbs energy (which is lower 44 mag level) but is not recommended for long term. I am looking at this from the hunters fram of mind not self defense this time. My thoughts are my (686) 357 magnum and (Redhawk) 44 magnum revolvers are hunting tools my Taurus 605 and Ruger LC9s Pro are self defense tools. I really enjoy your reviews I always learn from them.
@@davidsomerset8411 Thank you. I actually just tested the Underwood Xtreme hunter in .357 Mag, rated at 1,700 FPS 802 ft lbs, Underwood is known for using a 6" test revolver. But I only tested it in my 2" Taurus 605 and was getting something like 1,425 FPS and 520 ft lbs or something along those lines, so that one had some power for .357 Mag.
Hell to the yeah 10mm
I plan to go up with some more powerful ones when I get a better spring, just ordered a 22 lb.
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Looks like I need to buy 2 new guns...
No wonder the 10mm has become Alaska's bear gun of choice. The glock allows for multiple shots vs a revolver. Cor bon looks very good for carry ammo.
Well a revolver can still give multiple shots lol.
Not a fair comparison. Revolver has cylinder gap so you have to use equal barrel lengths. The cylinder gap evens out barrel travel
I have to disagree because cylinder gap is unavoidable, and averages 5% velocity loss. If over an inch was added to the revolver there would be way more advantage to the revolver, and going shorter makes the issue worse. At most 65 FPS was lost with this ammo.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ it’s weird that you do this. Nobody else does it so the results aren’t applicable to mainstream. Oh well, it’s your channel. Good content though, in spite of this idiosyncrasy.
So would you say the 357 DPX velocity is about like a 9mm +P+?
probably pretty close with the right pistol.
Haha! Damn near got hit in the junk there Sam!! Might need to wear a cup/jock strap for protection against desperate bologna!!!
I usually don't have much hit me, today I filmed another 10mm vid and something smacked the top of my head after shooting the box.
End of the day, I wouldn't want to get hit by either.
I conceal carry a full size gun, and I can more easily carry a revolver due to its shape.
Yeah I have done it before. This 686 conceals as well as a much smaller semi auto.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ So your body shape also better conceals a revolver? Do you carry a full size or compact as EDC? I carry a full size because I like the grip better on a full size and I’m a big guy so it blends in with my shape.
@@danielaramburo7648 I usually just pocket carry a revolver.
When you really want to hit them hard nothing beats a Magnum revolver. It almost always insures a one shot stop if you hit them where it hurts. All them 9mm boys just keep saying...shot placement...shot placement... because it takes alot of 9mm to do any damage. Dick Fairburn collected 5 years of police shootings back in 90'. He found they needed 5-6 9mm shots and 2-3 .45acp shots to put the thug down.
Those are pretty lightly loaded rounds. If your gonna carry .357/10mm I would use more powerful ammo.
Yeah, relatively light but at the same time easier to control and still good performance. I tested the Winchester Defender today and while the .357 was still light, the 10mm Defender was getting up there over 600 ft lbs energy, felt like my slide was coming back a little too hard, need to find a dual captive gen 4 high power spring, but I cannot find one.
@@GunSam www.mcarbo.com/ gallowayprecision.com/ interesting sites with great people.Might have something you want.
Absolutely, if you shot someone with those rounds, they probably wouldn’t be affected at all. 🙄
@@patrickbolthouse7354 I found a spring setup I think will work. it's an NDZ 22 lb and it just drops in even not being a dual spring. I could have went with 24 lb, but I don't plan to go as hot as possible so I want something that hopefully cycles lower end 10mm ammo too.
@@GunSam Good to hear. I'm sure you will check the those other sites when you get time. Here's another www.genitron.com/. You'll spend hours there. Hand gun info mostly not parts.
Do you have a 10mm revolver? That would be a good equal comparison. The 10mm cor bon like you mentioned the .357 was in the video, is underloaded giving speeds like a 180 gr 10mm. Nice vid as always.
No and I probably never would as going into that price range and i'm gonna get a .44 Mag instead. Thank you.
Great video!!! I don’t know here... seems like the .357 did better than the 10... better penetration and great expansion. The 10 is bigger however it only made 3 jugs while the .357 made 4. The 10 recoil is the deciding factor...
Low end 10mm recoil isn't too bad, hotter 10mm is still pretty low for recoil in the same energy as .357 Mag, but I think .357 Mag can reliably go hotter and still stay accurate.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ I thought about getting a 10mm, always considered it a 40 magnum. I’ve been shooting the 357 over 35 years, different loads off and on.. I do like buffalo boar and Underwood
Fucking science
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Note to self
Never get shot by a 10mm or a 357 magnum.
I'd say not a .22 either
Great series. 357 mag vs 357 sig would be a interesting one. Love both 357s though. Cant go wrong with either one in my opinion.
Thanks. The thing with the .357 Sig is that while it's 125 gr load does match the average .357 Mag 4" barrel police load, ie will push that 125 gr at 1,450 FPS, the versatility of a gun in .357 Sig is limited. Now, if I ever get a .40 cal Glock or something and get a .357 Sig barrel, i'd consider that, unless I could get one for my G41, which isn't available at all.
@@GunSam Yeah 1450fps sounds about right. Some companies even load it at lower velocities. But then you got brands like Underwood, Atomic ammunition, and fenix ammunition. There may be others out there. That will load over 1500-1550 fps. But 357 mag is definitely more versatile.
10mm is the Hammer of Thor!
10mm that low velocity ?? must be watered down ...
Pretty much all the defensive ammo is like this, I did test some Winchester Defender 10mm today and that had a lot more power, same velocity but 180 gr.
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These tests are no baloney! Either caliber is ssssssooooooooooooooooooo much better than the 9mm I would think people would do everything they can to be the Master of these guns for a one shot stop.
And these are very low end. I tested some Winchester Defender 10mm, way more energy and damage but that was a mid range round about 630 ft lbs.
Thats one 10mm with .40sw specs
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10mm the 2nd best millimeter 38 special still the best
Yes, .38 Special is the best lol. Something special about it, perfect in more ways that most cartridges.
10mm at 1100-1200 is weak. Not to say they want work... 150 grain 10 mm 1300 should be average..
Yeah, but they are what they are so important to test anyways. I ordered a heavier spring so some hotter loads will be tested soon.
I've had 357 pull the heart and lungs out of goats chests. Was very impressed.
Could you do fiocchi extrema xtp ? They are way way way underrated ..... I would love to see if your tests come to the same conclusion... thanks again for all the content my friend
I tested their .38+P and it was pretty powerful. Looks like they make it in a .357 Mag but not Extrema in 10mm. Maybe if I can find it i'd test the .357 Mag Extrema vs some other caliber.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ once again your the man brotha !!!!!