Red Dot Pistol: Optic Selection (Modern Samurai)
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Kicking off our red pistol pistol series with Modern Samurai Project. Part 1 is on gear selection. Which pistol red dot is the best? Scott Jedlinski breaks down his opinion and experience having seen many many students run through his classes. He covers the Trijicon RMR, Holosun 507C, Delta Point Pro, Shield RMS, Trijicon SRO, and Aimpoint ACRO. Be sure to look up Modern Samurai Project, Scott has a ton of classes coming up.
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Good to know about the Duracell and Sony batteries.
Right?
good little nuggets like that are dope
@Frank Bonazza III yeah I got it from Aaron Cowan of sage dynamics originally
@Austin Knowles Yeah, but on a red dot how long will that $35 last you? I love to see people with $400+ optics and just go down and toss in a dollar store battery and think "yep, I got me a hardcore optic."
@@fixitquick79 🤣🤣🤣 super reliable
i was balls deep into this video when it ended. damn you guys
I saw your comment and yet I was caught out too….😔
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The depth is real
@@1911syndicate 😂
Luckily @1911 Syndicate and UF Pro has introduced us all to the Nut Ventilation System so we can all pull out safely.. ;)
I took more valuable information from this video than dozens of others combined. I am looking to get my first pistol optic as my eyes aren't as sharp as they once were and I see an inherent advantage in them. Money is a factor and I personally can't afford multiple optics to vet myself. This information is very valuable to me. Thank you, subbed.
This is pretty much exactly the state of the industry right now no bullshit. Great video.
👍🏻
This is basically all the bullshit rolled up into a mall ninja form factor.
Great intro to the red dot series. Can't wait for the future episodes 👍👍
good series jake did here im jealous i couldnt go
Good start to the series looking forward to seeing the rest as they are posted.
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Great piece of film with Scott J. Look forward to the rest
I took jedis class last year. I’m a dot lover now. Very knowledgeable dude
Yessir
What dots are you runnin’?
@@The11eleven holosun and Trijicon
@@rickpineo2588 Nice! I started with Trijicon and love it! Just picked up a Sig Romeo1 Pro and I can appreciate the sight picture and the clarity of the dot(sharper than my RMR), I just don’t want to like it. Ready to sell it to buy another RMR
@@The11eleven Trijicon SRO has a excellent clear window too. I’m a big fan
Amazing class with an amazing instructor.
Knowledge, pure knowledge! Thank you Scott!!
I was gonna make a joke saying “oh cool, Jeff teaches red dot classes now?” But I actually respect Jedi
Lol
baaahahah
I LOVE THE MODERN SAMURAI!!! Wish I could attend one of his classes!!!
The best down and dirty on red dots…excellent!
Great stuff Jake! Jedi is awesome.
This channel is becoming one of ny favorites. Great work.
Thanks brother
Thanks dude we appreciate the support and kind words
I appreciate halosuns because they keep other red dot sights in check with their prices.
My two, handgun equipped, Trij RMRs both crapped out in under 3K rds; emitter lens launched into the unknown on one, the other would not hold zero. They were repaired under Warranty (no hassle) and were both installed on PCC/AR9. No issues.
Both my range and carry handguns now wear Holosun’s. Zero issues with 20K and 12K rds respectively.
Interesting
4 of my handguns wear Holosun 507c's. I'm currently in the process of determining if the one on my Staccato C2 is losing zero or if I'm just incapable of shooting it the same each time I go to the range. Each time I leave, I feel I have it zeroed pretty well, but then next time it seems way off. I'm going to keep working on it before winter arrives in Wisconsin, else I'll have to reach out to Holosun (or maybe I should just consider swapping dots between guns to see if it is indeed just the one unit that is faulty).
@@moeharri
Dial in from the bench initially. You need a baseline.
Next time you believe it may have “lost zero”, shoot it from the bench to confirm it’s the optic, or you.
@@DRay-or4tc Good idea. I just got done swapping the red dot between my Shadow 2 and the C2. Traditionally, my Shadow 2 has been a laser--if I had to place money on a shot, that's the setup I'd use and have confidence in. I'm hoping to get to the range today and will need to sight both of these in again. After doing so free hand, I'll confirm at the bench as I'm curious how much my standing trigger pull varies from a supported pull. Fingers crossed, I'll have this figured out this trip or the next trip, at the latest.
On my last trip, I hadn't noticed that the Taurus TX 22 Competition optic plate (which is installed on the barrel at the factory) wasn't loctited and came loose and we kept losing zero--I thought I was losing my mind until I noticed. So, I need to zero that one today too. As you might be able to tell, I usually blame my shooting before the equipment.
Man I need a class with this guy. Knowledgeable Af. Need to trash my energizers lol.
I’m running a Leupold Delta Point Pro 2.5 moa on a Canik Elite Combat and I absolutely love the pairing of the two over my Glock 19x with a Trijicon RMR on it. For some reason the grip angle just works better for me personally
Damn this dude is passionate about red dots.
Go check out his TH-cam channel!
He’s the red dot guy. Probably biggest red dot instructor in the country
Aaron cowen and samurai have been leading the charge man. Great guys
Thank you for the battery information!!!
Very happy with my RMR type 2
Enjoyed that!! Pretty abrupt ending
It’s what happens when you organically film.
This looks very familiar to me. Lol. Thanks to everyone that made this class possible.
🤙🏻
MSP classes are the real deal!
Another badass video guys!!!
Thanks dude. Few more of these coming
thanks dude
Had a dpp that started to flicker and wouldn't turn back on after about 4.5k sent it in and they took care of me(replaced circuit board). I guess I can't ask for much more than that. Ran a Holosun while the dpp was away. The larger window is nice and tough to get away from.
Would you go back with the DPP?
Vortex defender ccw just released this year.
I wanna take one of his classes soooooo bad.
He’s got 100 classes this year, you can probably find one not far away
@@1911syndicate I have to leave for FLETC soon. 🙁 Doubt I’ll be able to make it to one before that happens.
I think he's all booked up for the rest of the year and most of 2022 already...so sign up soon if you want a spot.
It's well worth it
Good video 👍🏻 I can see the appeal for optics on pistols & rifles in most aspects of the firearms industry. I have optics on many of my rifles as well as flashlights & IR's. Personally I've never been a fan of them on pistols. I was thinking about getting one for a gun I don't carry for my EDC just to get the feel of it. Maybe later on down the line in life I might feel differently about it.
A lot of good info on them out there it is the way of the future man so much quicker and easier its like cheating
@@Chrisblauit does seem nice though & that's why I said I might get one for something I don't shoot or carry a lot just to get used to it. I always been used to irons on my pistols
@@-RONNIE same I went to dots awhile back then back to irons now back to dots when you do get one get some legit instruction or you’ll hate it just take my word for it
@@Chrisblau back and forth 😂😂😂 also it has to be interchangeable for multiple pistols to
Trust me dude, get on the red dot pistol game. There’s was a time when irons on ARs were the thing. Now it’s ludicrous to not have a dot
I've been a rifle and shotgun guy since I was in middle school. I'm 54 years old. I just picked up my first handgun, and I got the FN 502 because I wanted to start small (It's a 22.). I also just ordered a Vortex Venom red dot (3 MOA). We'll see how it goes. (I'm a Wisconsin guy, which is where Vortex is from...as you said.) I looked at the Holosun, and they're awesome, but theirs was priced more than I paid for the gun. I want to get a suppressor next. When I get comfortable with the 22 I may upgrade to something more powerful.
Holosun 407C’s can be had for $200 on the secondhand market. Much better than any Vortex dot.
@@poesantana7679 That was not my experience.
Hands down this is the BEST video you have ever put out!
Three more parts to this series. They will be very helpful
🤔 I’m running a Holosun, yep making some solid life choices!!
As am I. It’s what you’ll see me run lately.
@@1911syndicate I ignored em for years but the second I gave em a try I haven’t look back Lol I’m excited to see this class!!! Thanks man
Looks I’m getting a SRO!!!🤯🔫👍🏼
If you’ve got an SRO pick up a Jagerwerks BROS optic shield. Will definitely help with durability.
I thought that spot looked familiar in the intro...then you mentioned Idaho and I knew exactly where it was.
Great class and I'm looking forward to taking it again once ammo prices get more reasonable.
It was well worth driving all the way out from Portland
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Great deal on the next gen Spitfire 1x. Fast ship too!
I had the 1st gen Romeo that didnt have a shroud. Took a bump on the door and completely caved the hood in and shattered the glass
Aimpoint Acro p2 user reporting in, happy with my choice so far.
Trade for a p1 and some energizers? I know what I have...
@@TheManicorn69 add an ANPEQ15 and we have a deal!
What's the difference in battery life in the new gen 2?
@@l337l0gan I ran the P1 fairly hard. I’d get about 3 weeks on a battery. Aimpoint said 1 year on setting 6, which is unusable.
Now they’re saying the P2, with the larger battery, will go way longer. Like he said in the video, 6 months on real settings would be a huge win.
Edit: point is we can’t tell based on Aimpoint. We will need to wait for good folks to give us an honest assessment.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor cool. Thanks. I run a 3.25 moa dot RMR on top of my shadow systems mr920. But I am debating on switching to the holosun 509t this winter. But if the new acro works out I would much rather go aimpoint than holosun
I was huge on rmr's....now I own three holosun 507's,one holosun 509T,& just kept one rmr type 2.One major reason, battery compartment. I hate removing red dots on my pistol to change battery. Before someone mentions the sro,not a fan...holosun's have been awesome thus far
Acro P-2 is the best RDS on the market. Samurai Project did a review and said as much.
Good video
RMR needs to be cheaper. Or make a new one that you can change the battery on without removing to justify the price. I have 2 but the Holosun 508t is starting to become my favorite
I don't mind the price, I don't want it cheaper. It means corners were cut to make it cheaper. Quality costs money and reliability isn't cheap.
Holosun for the win. The 509t is the best mini optic on the market. The 508 is a close second. Can't wait to get my hands on the aems to try out. Will probably swap out the 509 on my rattler to the green reticle aems. Might swap the 509 on my b&t to the aems too. We'll see how one holds up first.
I'm sticking with the 503 on my AR until someone makes a 2.26 mount for the AEMS.
After trying out 1.93 and 2.26, I can't go back to lower third
@@pdxmarine1430 those super tall mounts just aren't my thing. I don't have NV though. Someone will definitely make qd mounts for the aems. You'll probably be waiting a little longer for one that tall though. And from what I hear, the mount that comes with it isn't a full 1/3. It's kind of in between 1/2 & 1/3. I personally don't have an issue with that for the time being. I will buy a qd mount once they're available though. Hoping scalarworks has one in the making.
@@IDK_what_TO_call_IT_ I didn't think I'd care too much about the tall mounts, I decided to try the 1.93, and it was amazing. I was glad I'd gone with that rather than the 2.26, because obviously that was just way too tall...then I actually tried one and, well, now I'm all about that 2.26 life
@@pdxmarine1430 running nods?
@@IDK_what_TO_call_IT_ Not since using PVS-7s back in the day, but plan on getting some soon(ish) turns out plasma donation pays pretty damn well and is now funding upgrading my kit and covering my ammo lol
A ton of personal opinion! I love the 32 moa on the Holosun! It helps me find the dot! Period.
This is the way
Holosun or bust.... moved over from the rmr....I like the reticle, I like the battery tray. I like the solar back up... never has one failed me.... I have a 507c a little guy 507k, and 503 a 510 and I will be getting the aims.... also have a vortex razor... its stays on a xdm if that tell you how much I respect it
Same Holosun has been solid for me
If and when someone makes a 2.26" riser for the AEMS I'll be replacing my 503, but I'm sticking with what I've got for now.
@@pdxmarine1430 I'm pretty happy with the acss 503 I have... so I haven't been in a rush... im think it will go on the AUG.... maybe x95.. idk something about them big ol bullpup stocks and bricks for optics make me hard
@@EvilWhiteGuy7.62 The X95 is in even more need of a tall mount, since on an AR the rail is elevated slightly because of the charging handle, with the X95 it's directly in line
@@pdxmarine1430 yea I have 2 tavors. Like I said I'm not in a rush. I have a lpvo on the tavor 7 and vortex huey on the x95, so it would just be something new to try
Was hoping to hear about the 509t…but I guess it’s just categorized with all the other models of Holosun.
I forgot to bring it up
All of the Holosuns are great.
I run a 509t on my P320, and a 507k on my P365
The ACRO is just like the 509t...only more expensive and without the solar backup
@@1911syndicate which one would you recommend for a glock g17 Mos, holosun 508t x2 or a holosun SCS?
Holosun, sro and DPP fan. Just can’t get down with the rmr due to having to remove from the slide to replace the battery
Are you dissapointed in having to remove the magazine in order to reload it? It literally not a big deal. Replacing a battery every 2 years is fine. Especially for the only red dot that isn't going to break that will fit to a pistol.
@@notme3184 maybe in 2018, it is 2021 catch up
@@notme3184 509T is also as tough as the Taliban... if you want a closed emitter.
@@armenchuck what rivals the rmr in reliability?
@@TheManicorn69 nothing wrong with the holosuns, but they aren't a rmr
Holosun all the way.
Just got my 507c holosun it’s fucking badass!
Iv got a 507k on my hellcat and a 510c on my ar pistol and love them. For the money and nothing better.
Anyone know what belt he has on?
Great video honest outlaw!
This isn’t honest outlaw lol
No going to lie I use the Ade spike for my canik
I wonder what he thinks about the 509t vs the P2
Yea I wish I had asked about the 509
@@1911syndicate how do you feel about it?
Damn i couldve watched another hour of that atleast
3 more parts coming
Of course the SRO died in California lmao Thanks for an informative vid Jake!
👍🏻👍🏻
Hope to one day soon be able to attend his RDS class.
My 507c X2 recently crapped out on me and its made me second guess holosun which sucks because i really like them. After hearing what he had to say about the SRO i might have to give it a shot.
What was your setup? I'm curious. Also what happened to it?
@@l337l0gan mounted on an M&P core. All of a sudden the reticle started dimming down to where it was barely visible, also the ring would disappear completely. This was in manual mode not auto adjusting. Unacceptable, as it’s on my edc. I’m in the process of sending it in and possibly upgrading to a 508 if holosun allows me to. Also it’s only 4 months old with maybe 300 rounds with it.
I have 3 SRO’s and thousands of rounds thru them. Never an issue even with my energizer battery.
Where's that magical spot on the SRO ??? 🤔 👊🇺🇸🇺🇸💪
Where you using a Safariland 6390? How did you like it?
Not sure the model number but I ran a Safariland for a 2011 one of the days. I’m still getting used to it.
What do you think about crimson trace dots?
Don't ask stupid ass questions
Sightmark user on a pic rail attached to Glock dovetail checking in
SwampFox wasn’t mentioned at all so I wonder what he thinks about them
Likely not good things
How tall is Scott? I've hear from taller guys with really long arms that they find the Holosun 32 MOA reticle problematic. Little stumpy guys like me like the reticle more since our arms don't reach into another zip code.
Im short and I don't like it
It's all about what you have reps behind. I like running the circle only, or dot only. But the two together are cluttered for me. The thing most guys don't like about the Cirlce is it's harder to watch the true painting nature of the dot in recoil. It's harder to be super precise with the recoil pattern. But like I said before, I like the Cirlce only
I use the full reticle. Probably the most comfortable for my eyes. Everyone is different. I find it easier to acquire and track the whole damn thing.
He’s about 6’2”
@@1911syndicate I didn't know we came in that size. Must be the polish influence.
Maybe I missed it, but what pistol are you using in this class???
Combat precision 2011
@@1911syndicate Nice!
Why does he hate the 32 MOA ring? It's a crutch, makes you lazy?
Which would be the best for someone with astigmatism?
I asked Yeager that and he said get a gold reticle. Not sure by who tho.
Holosun 509 you would probably like. It’s a LED so it helps
The Aimpoint is SO clear. There is no distortion.
Excellent glass
Where I can find instructor’s info ?
Modern samurai project. Google it
Your thoughts on swamp fox liberty or justice.
Not for any sort of serious use
Sage Dynamics has a review on the swamp fox Justice. It did really well in his testing. For CCW he says it’s good to go.
Thank you guys, it’s just that an RMR is out of my reach at this time. Would love to have one though. Holosuns are a bit better in price. The Swampfox looked interesting, specially at the price range. We’ll see.
@Frank Bonazza III where did you find it? Sounds great.
ACRO C2 is fine too
what the actual difference in the c2 and p2 other than one being "civilian" or whatever..cant find a clear answer in my brief research
@@Jordan-th8ps C2 - two NVG modes, submersible 5m P2 - four NVG modes, submersible 35m and temperatures thats all, its like T2 and H2
Oh that magic spot that nobody knows where it is 🤔.....A question men have struggled with for millennia.
How much does he carge for a class?
Two days was 500
@@1911syndicate Underpriced, if you ask me.
Well damn i'm more lost in life now .... Sooooo is the holosun k the way of the future ??
Not future, now, and specifically for the small foot print
It’s legit
For little micro compacts, the 507k is the present.
Simply by a Trijicon RMR, why risk your life, stop eatting out so much and it won't take long to buy one.
Cause I genuinely like the 507 better
@@1911syndicate To each their own, yet Socom approved The Trijicon RMR after their torture tests shown it to be THE most reliable red dot
Shake to wake an solar power plus great quality you can’t beat that! Holosun Is coming up ppl are choosing them over eotech
Dude on the right is printing so hard you can call him Gutenberg
For the algorithm
Put any red dot on your gun you want and I bet I can shoot it just as well as any other red dot. The key to red dots is zeroing in the dot with a laser bore sight. You really need to make sure your dot is accurate. Now here's the kicker, without a great grip and measured trigger control you still will not hit the center of the target even at 7yrds. Grip and trigger control are key.
You lost me at laser
@@1911syndicate what do you mean?
@@jayb7675 I don't take pleasure in watching someone struggle, but please...explain the laser bore sight necessity...
@@jasonmpd2946 before you go to the range, drop the laser into the barrel. If the red dot optic lines up with the barrel laser dot, you know you’re sighted in correctly. Now when you go to the range, you are 100% sure your sights are accurate. This takes 5 mins to do.
@@jayb7675 yeah..... 1 yard, 3 yards, 5, 7, 30 yards? What distance does the barrel coincide with the dot? You're gonna be on the struggle bus when you respond, just to warn you. I don't think you know how zeroing works.
WHERE IS THE MAGIC SPOT !!!!????!!!???!
Soooo Trijicon that's it 🤣🤣🤣
RMR, the original & still the best.
Jedi knows.
lesser than great battery life, pricey, have to take the optic off to replace the battery, and you have to buy a different part to water proof the battery compartment of the type 1
@@IEatMexicanBabies
Have a schedule to replace the battery once a year, get a better job, so what (it's an excuse to go shoot more to check zero in which only windage might change a minuscule amount), get a type 2.
You're welcome.
@@chuckclark6162 you should be checking your zero once a year anyway at the least. Such a dumb complaint.
Also super easy to torque the screws in the same way every time with use of witness marks.
Holosun needs to hurry with their eps series 😭
It’s out I think
Heard me? Rela tentera.?
Cracks me up, in the intro, this guy… How do you pronounce your last name again?… Like Jedi is some unknown new guy. You don’t have a TH-cam channel do you?… Oh yeah, actually I do… I don’t know if he was doing it deliberately trying to one up him, but my money is on Jedi.
Why weren't those 5 guys seated in lawn chairs listening to him talk?
Swamp fox?
No
Ho which is your favorite????????
I’m a 507C guy
Duracells leak and destroy your electronics. I lost two flashlights due to leaking duracells.
I own #2 type II RMRs , #1 SRO & #1 Vortex Razor and fortunately never had one single problem. Believe it or not my Razor is the easiest to shoot fast but if I could only pick one too go to hell with it would be my RMRs with their small blue tinted windows. Their tougher than nails!!! 👊🇺🇸🇺🇸💪
Fact: The undisputed king of open emitters is the 507C-X2, and the best closed emitter is the 509t (until the Acro-2 comes out.)
Try it with the ACSS reticle
I have, andI love is. Right now It’s on my wife’s carry gun and if it came in closed emitter I would change over my pistols too.
Nobody knows there the (auto self destruct) spot is? Nobody? What is it, like the mysterious location of the mythical clitorious? If NOBODY knows, why bother talking about it?
TH-cam unsubscribed me.
Booooooo
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I still know a lot of guys who barely trusts red dots on rifles let alone one pistols
You know some behind-the-times motherfuckers. lol Do they wear overalls and train conductor hats?
Yea they gotta wake up
As every special operations unit deploys with red dots on rifles and some nits on pistols.
@@Chrisblau It's born from boot mentality of training. Where in the old days, they didn't have iron sights and after they get deployed or get jobs where they don't actually see any real action, their opinions on their guns is stagnant to how they were taught. That births the fudd and old timer mentality of "it was fine when I was in the corps" kind of bullshit. They are rigid and don't want change
@@Excalibur01 Shit I qualified with irons on my M16A2, qualified expert and managed just fine even at 500...These days I don't even run backup irons on my AR. Everything has a dot, long gun and pistol.
THe two optics I specifically wanted to hear about were the two he never mentioned. Atibal and Swampfox. Bummer.
Maybe because they weren’t worth mentioning
I'm sure you can hear all about how good they are at a local flea market.
SRO master race.
I don’t buy anything tactical not made in the USA and I never will. I want NightForce to make a mini red dot. Trijicon RMR mini. Hello!
04wn0
vur.fyi
RMR… it’s proven and made in USA
They are great
Aw no swamp🦊?