I bought a couple P1s in mid-late 2020 and probably won the lotto as I could get about 6 months out of both of them. After that initial battery for each I just changed them every quarter. Preordered a p2 last april and I did get one during this first drop to civs a couple months back. As you noted, the adjustments are way more tactile. I think the glass is a little bit better...could just be me. One thing I did notice is how much more crisp the dot is over the p1. Especially under NODs. Sample size of one p2 and two p1s.
I have a P1 and a P2. The P2 is on my duty gun. The P1 is on one of my fun guns. I was so thrilled to get the P2. I loved the P1, but just couldn’t use it on my duty gun because of the battery life.
The closed emitter is the future. Got the P2 and hands down it is the best RDS on a handgun I own. Spend the extra cash and get the P2. You won't regret it.
Great video. I love getting real information with real reviews. Positives and negatives. With Aimpoints red dot acro 1 & 2. I feel like their bigger then my mailbox. Almost to big on the slide. Really leaning towards the 509t from Holosun. Nice review though
Appreciate the review, I'll have to pick one up in the future. Any chance you could do a review of the Steiner MPS as well? I'm curious if the larger window is noticeable and how the battery life compares.
He said he liked the use of standard sights to co-witness. I had a 407K red and green dot on two of my guns, CZP10C & Sig 320C. Because that model was designed to be used with the new Micro 9s, it sat real low on a milled slide.See you in Oct. sir.
I just got the acro it’s only the P 1 Yes I will be getting the P2 when it’s available but I am definitely hooked on the acro which is why I took your advice and I went ahead and just red Loctite my plate onto the gun as far as I’m concerned the gun I put it on it’s always going to have an acro 👌
I still think RMR is the best. Just watch sage dynamics test. 20k rounds and over 40 drops. Second to none in reliability and durability. Slightly smaller window doesn’t matter that much.
Nice review! Can’t wait to get one been waiting & waiting. What plate did you get? This C&H plate I have has all kind of light coming in the front of it. It doesn’t touch slide at all. Definitely thinking about the Red Loctite idea.
Get the Swiss B&T plate, basically the OEM plate that Aimpoint use. I’ve been running it on my P2 for 6 months, and on the P1 before upgrading and it’s solid.
Forward control design makes a really good plate that’s what I’m using along with what Scott recommended red loctite the screws and it’s definitely rocksolid
Oof, that squeaky girl sounds like she needs some oil! Awesome review, thank you for everything you do! I've learned alot from you and appreciate the time you take to teach us that's not as fortunate to be able to find classes to go to.
Great content on the optic! however, the low quality resolution that the video was recorded with did you no justice when pointing to areas of the optic as we couldn't see detail. I hope this helps!
What you think about Steiner mps? Im choosing my first RD and was sure Im gonna buy acro2. Then some ppl recomendet me mps because of bigger window. Thank you for your advices.
Battery life in my P1 must be the only thing I've ever been consistently lucky at. I get 3 moths on setting 7, constant on and then change them. I have had zero batteries go dead prior to my scheduled change. Having said that I will be switching my duty gun to a P2 as soon as I pick one up, then the P1 can live on my training gun.
@@ModernSamuraiProject The picture format of your video. The video is tiny probably due to your webcam/video setup. It'd be easier to see details on the optic if you could adjust it for further videos. I get that there are limitation based on circumstances and stuff breaks too. Though even with 480p that should be a setup issue.
Luckily FCD has very very good plates. I'm probably going to wait for someone to finally make a P320 slide that's already milled for it before I upgrade to that.
Unless I’m mistaken, the Acro won’t fit into a slide milled for an RMR. That seems like a missed opportunity to corner the top-tier duty optic market. I have 5 RMR’d Glocks and I’d swap them all over to Acros it would fit without a plate.
Don’t really see how an enclosed emitter optic could ever fit onto an RMR footprint, you’d have screws coming down through the optic body obstructing your view.
@@EuropaChronicles lol no problem, I wish it was possible too since I have my Glock 19 cut for an rmr as well, but I just don’t see it happening. I ended up getting a second Glock 19 so I can get the slide cut for an Acro. I’ve heard of RMR to ACRO adapter plates, but I imagine the optic would end up sitting pretty high with that setup.
So red dots have to be zeroed in for specific distances each time to land an effective shot .....In real life and even on range you will have multiple targets at different distances....zeroing in with a torque screw driver is not practical each time .......red optics need to have auto adjust to distance capability then it makes sense.........the red dot needs to adapt the camera tech and self calibrate windage and elevation based on target distance......I got the acro p2 but then realized this flaw...sticking with irons & my viridian laser which is point and shoot
I purchased an fn 509c used at a local shop, came with a valkyrie light and iwb holster with extra mag slot, I'm kind of a bigger dude.. around that is..not like pouring over, but I dont think it's the holster for me, can anyone point me in the right direction for a good holster manufacturer that caters to fat people... I was lean mean 180 before our first baby... laid it on thick with the second. As chris Farley would say "I've got a little bit of a weight problem.. any advice would be helpful. Thank you and love the vids informational! Had to edit this, in I also have an rmr coming for this firearm so I'd need something optics ready. Any info belts, holsters so on would help.
I don’t own one of these but I don’t see this optics as being better than the 509t. I like big windows though. Even still Holosun just released more closed emitter optics. With more and more closed optics coming out hopefully the Acro or Holosun footprint becomes standard.
@@Three60Crusader Obviously you’ve never carried a closed emitter optic. That was blunt and maybe rude. But I carry both a 509 and an rmr in an appendix right. I can’t tell the difference in bulk, weight or feel. So you just wrong, maybe small or I’m special. I don’t is that I’m special since many carry like this. Since we’re giving out opinions, I think closed emitter odd the future of all optics until something better is born.
I’m right there with Scott the RMR Is it good optic but the acro is where it’s at or anything like it there’s definitely when you think about the acro you don’t have to take it off to change out batteries the Rmr you do which sucks because then you’re wasting time letting your lock take that you reapply set up for the minimum of 24 hours then having to go out and burn through some ammo to Re ZERO it those two things are the main reason why I moved away from optics such as the Rmr Just doesn’t fit with my program anymore and with the acro if it dies 10 seconds and you have a new battery in ..
@@thomasgibbs3656 not true, sage dynamics put the RMR thru 20,000 rounds and changed the battery twice. Never had to zero it beyond the first time. RMR is still the best.
@@ModernSamuraiProject that’s not the point and you know it. I might as well have listened to an audio only file for the information in this video. You don’t need fancy b-roll close ups at 4k with a RED camera using professional editing. Just a 720p webcam and uploading at 1920x1080 would suffice. Again, no editing. All in one cut. It’s easy to do. In 2022 this is a very sub par video standard even for simple content. I don’t mean to be rude at all, this is simply constructive criticism so you could improve the quality. I see you’re writing everyone off who’s made the same comment regarding the video quality. Of course it’s your channel and you’re free to do what you want, but it won’t help you get views or subscribers uploading 1999 quality content. Especially for people on a phone size screen, it’s an immediate click off. Which if you don’t care about your channel then sure, don’t care about what people think and go on about your day. Upload for yourself only. If you do care about people enjoying the video at least, it may be a good idea to take note of the suggestions made in the comment section. Your viewer base is giving you friendly pointers, not insulting you.
I have a p1 on my g19 , the battery, is a no issue.. they are cheap and the thing has a fricking off switch! When you come home turn it off! The battery is easily accessible! Stop your crying!
The P1 has such an unbelievable failure point!!!!! People should have been demoted or fired. Think about how many people had approved this crappy version 1. It was such as easy fix! The P2 is great!
Meanwhile I’ve been getting 6 months per battery out of all my Acro p1’s for the past two years. No they weren’t turned off! Crybabies crying cuz it doesn’t get 50k hours on a single battery.
$700 when there are great optics for 300. I.dont get it. Why stick to these old Red Dots that cost so much and give you 6 months of power. Made sense when they were the only game in town but now????
Grossly over$ for the civlilian market at $600-700 MSRP and is honestly one of the ugliest RDO's out there. For a duty gun fuction over looks. So many better choices out there today for the civlilian market. From a performance and cost point. e.g. 2022 Holosun SCS $400 MSRP. Closed emitter and solar powered. No need to rremember to change the battery. With so much going on in our lives are we really doing to remember?? :) Drop testing Aron Cowan style. Nice to know an optic would pass. But REALLY how many civilians are going to do that and not be babying their jguns? More so if they've spent $2300 in upgrades to Rolland Special their Glocks. Though perhaps the P2 IS for the Rolland Special crowd. :) For the rest of us $ matters. Making the Holosun 's a better choice IMHO. Looks better too. Who wants this "mailbox" on the top of their pistol? BUTT ugly.
Nobody gets in a gunfight in the rain.... This is the problem when you take tactical advice from a mortgage salesman who confuses USPSA matches being cancelled due to weather with context. Combine this with the comment in there recent podcast that the 2011 thumb safety just needs reps. Please take a class like ECQC and get some context.
Hey bro. How many cops do you train a year? How many LE conferences do you teach at? How many LE have you polled from SWAT to FBI to US Marshals? How many pistol gunfights have you been in the rain? The answer to all these is zero. Also been doing BJJ since 1996 and other arts well before that. On the ECQC thing, I’ll call Craig Douglas right now and see what he says about thumb safeties. Do you have that relationship with him. Again the answer is no.
The answer is not zero. The last time I pointed a pistol at someone in the rain was at 07:04 on 1/14/22. Rolling is good but the mats tend to be indoors. When was the last time you rolled with someone on gravel after being thrown into a crash barrier without the option to tap? When was the last time your pistol came out your holster inverted because you were in some fouled up tangle with a 300lb dude on his third strike? Context.
@@fredsmith8556 Did you pull the trigger? What was the distance? Was a precise sight picture needed? Give us some context. Also talked to Craig Douglas, he said his first pistol OIS was with a gun with a thumb safety, so….
@@ModernSamuraiProject a better question to ask your class participants is how many times have they pointed a gun at someone in the rain. Pointing can be multiple times a shift where OIS is few to none in a career. How many times have they trained in wet, mud, or snow and had an issue. I've had DBAL illuminators kaleidoscope and Trijicon RMS star field on me. In this situation the two other participants had the vote on shot complexity. Fight me from the vehicle and the background demanded a precise 8 yard shot. Exit the vehicle and attack me would be an easy index shoot. Run into the woods behind the car and shoot at me and we are back to needing a precise shot. My Trijicon did fine but it was something to worry about. Craig's contribution with ECQC is twofold. He provides you with a rich experience honest to the problem and a set of techniques he has developed and pressure tested to navigate it. I've seen too many FOF evos where the 1911 thumb and grip safety are issues. Funny one was from a guy who right before said he had 1 millions reps and it won't be an issue.
I bought a couple P1s in mid-late 2020 and probably won the lotto as I could get about 6 months out of both of them. After that initial battery for each I just changed them every quarter. Preordered a p2 last april and I did get one during this first drop to civs a couple months back. As you noted, the adjustments are way more tactile. I think the glass is a little bit better...could just be me. One thing I did notice is how much more crisp the dot is over the p1. Especially under NODs. Sample size of one p2 and two p1s.
Been waiting for this mamma jamma. Speedy recovery to you sir!
I have a P1 and a P2. The P2 is on my duty gun. The P1 is on one of my fun guns. I was so thrilled to get the P2. I loved the P1, but just couldn’t use it on my duty gun because of the battery life.
The closed emitter is the future. Got the P2 and hands down it is the best RDS on a handgun I own. Spend the extra cash and get the P2. You won't regret it.
I'll rather save $300 and buy either a Swampfox or a Sightmark. Made from the same Chinese OEM company as well lmfao.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ lol
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Buy once cry once. I’d rather just keep the irons at that point and buy ammo.
Not for conceal carry
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Aimpoint is Swedish...
I've got a few cases thru a new 509tx2 in green reticle. I gotta say the x2 glass is alot clearer than the first gen 509t.
Awesome review! The supply issues causing extreme long term shipment dates. If you even locate one!
Love the P-2. It’s replaced all my RMRs. Wish they make a smaller one for the Glock 48/43x size guns
Great video. I love getting real information with real reviews. Positives and negatives. With Aimpoints red dot acro 1 & 2. I feel like their bigger then my mailbox. Almost to big on the slide. Really leaning towards the 509t from Holosun. Nice review though
Look up Holosun shot show 2022 they just released a few new closed emitter pistol optics.
@@swiftaudi i will check it out. Been watching Shot Show 2022 all week. Thanks for the info
@@venomgt7299 I should have read what I wrote before posting. Anyway I edited it so it could be understood now.
Same thing I thought about the size. Went with the 509t x2 last week and been loving it so far.
Always good to see you Scott doing videos of knowledge..
Awesome. Just as I expected.
Thank you!
Heal up sir and thanks for sharing. At shot show and got some real time to talk to aimpoint about the updates. Gonna pick one up
Appreciate the review, I'll have to pick one up in the future. Any chance you could do a review of the Steiner MPS as well? I'm curious if the larger window is noticeable and how the battery life compares.
Thanks for the review! Wish we could find one for sale!
Gunbroker
🍻 to your speedy and full recovery, brother.
Don’t skimp on your PT and *REST* between therapy sessions. Supplement as well.
Speedy recovery 🙌🏼
He said he liked the use of standard sights to co-witness. I had a 407K red and green dot on two of my guns, CZP10C & Sig 320C. Because that model was designed to be used with the new Micro 9s, it sat real low on a milled slide.See you in Oct. sir.
I just got the acro it’s only the P 1 Yes I will be getting the P2 when it’s available but I am definitely hooked on the acro which is why I took your advice and I went ahead and just red Loctite my plate onto the gun as far as I’m concerned the gun I put it on it’s always going to have an acro 👌
Good info Scott. Thanks !
I still think RMR is the best. Just watch sage dynamics test. 20k rounds and over 40 drops. Second to none in reliability and durability. Slightly smaller window doesn’t matter that much.
He doesn't seem to use the RMR these days as much as some other optics, or that is the impression I get from his TH-cam channel.
Sage dropped a video about the p2 3 weeks ago. I have an rmr but would like the p2 also.
@@operator001 the acro is still not quite as proven… yet. I’m sure it will be though.
@@armenchuck window size counts. RMR is a tank but it's tiny compaired to just about all other RDS.
Eyeing this or the Steiner MPS for my next dot
Nice review! Can’t wait to get one been waiting & waiting. What plate did you get? This C&H plate I have has all kind of light coming in the front of it. It doesn’t touch slide at all. Definitely thinking about the Red Loctite idea.
Get the Swiss B&T plate, basically the OEM plate that Aimpoint use. I’ve been running it on my P2 for 6 months, and on the P1 before upgrading and it’s solid.
Forward control design makes a really good plate that’s what I’m using along with what Scott recommended red loctite the screws and it’s definitely rocksolid
@@thomasgibbs3656 I checked them out and I didn’t see one for the PDP…
Oof, that squeaky girl sounds like she needs some oil! Awesome review, thank you for everything you do! I've learned alot from you and appreciate the time you take to teach us that's not as fortunate to be able to find classes to go to.
Info received. Video quality doesn’t matter. Thank you.
Great content on the optic! however, the low quality resolution that the video was recorded with did you no justice when pointing to areas of the optic as we couldn't see detail. I hope this helps!
Use your imagination.
@@ModernSamuraiProject I imagine seeing a PDP when you said PPQ 😉
What you think about Steiner mps? Im choosing my first RD and was sure Im gonna buy acro2. Then some ppl recomendet me mps because of bigger window. Thank you for your advices.
Battery life in my P1 must be the only thing I've ever been consistently lucky at. I get 3 moths on setting 7, constant on and then change them. I have had zero batteries go dead prior to my scheduled change. Having said that I will be switching my duty gun to a P2 as soon as I pick one up, then the P1 can live on my training gun.
Thanks for the information, hope to train with you some day.
It's okay, you can use more of our screens. No problem.
Huh?
@@ModernSamuraiProject
The picture format of your video. The video is tiny probably due to your webcam/video setup. It'd be easier to see details on the optic if you could adjust it for further videos. I get that there are limitation based on circumstances and stuff breaks too. Though even with 480p that should be a setup issue.
Auto on when the RDS detects movement?
Hope the rehab is going good!
I like em. Let's get the production up to speed, get factory milled guns for them and be done with this plate and screw business
Luckily FCD has very very good plates. I'm probably going to wait for someone to finally make a P320 slide that's already milled for it before I upgrade to that.
So how long now until Aimpoint comes out with the P3? As o August 27-2022 The P2 is out of stock everywhere . Even out of stock at Aimpoint.
How did you mount your P2 to your pistol?
There is also no on/off or shake to wake feature.
Unless you’re running NV, the C2 is the better deal. Specially since it has more brightness settings.
Unless I’m mistaken, the Acro won’t fit into a slide milled for an RMR. That seems like a missed opportunity to corner the top-tier duty optic market. I have 5 RMR’d Glocks and I’d swap them all over to Acros it would fit without a plate.
Don’t really see how an enclosed emitter optic could ever fit onto an RMR footprint, you’d have screws coming down through the optic body obstructing your view.
@@sergio297 that’s a great point that I hadn’t even considered. Thanks for pointing that out for dummies like me! 🙃
@@EuropaChronicles lol no problem, I wish it was possible too since I have my Glock 19 cut for an rmr as well, but I just don’t see it happening. I ended up getting a second Glock 19 so I can get the slide cut for an Acro. I’ve heard of RMR to ACRO adapter plates, but I imagine the optic would end up sitting pretty high with that setup.
awesome thanks!
What about the romeo 2, that looks sweet and has a complete package.
So red dots have to be zeroed in for specific distances each time to land an effective shot .....In real life and even on range you will have multiple targets at different distances....zeroing in with a torque screw driver is not practical each time .......red optics need to have auto adjust to distance capability then it makes sense.........the red dot needs to adapt the camera tech and self calibrate windage and elevation based on target distance......I got the acro p2 but then realized this flaw...sticking with irons & my viridian laser which is point and shoot
This is probably the dumbest post ever written.
How does it compare to the Steiner MPS? Preference?
Highly credible review dude…thanks.
I've been trying to find one, and they are always OOS. I don't even now how to people managed to get them.
Great review. Glad you are on the mend.
P2 or the shteiner?
Thank you.
I purchased an fn 509c used at a local shop, came with a valkyrie light and iwb holster with extra mag slot, I'm kind of a bigger dude.. around that is..not like pouring over, but I dont think it's the holster for me, can anyone point me in the right direction for a good holster manufacturer that caters to fat people... I was lean mean 180 before our first baby... laid it on thick with the second. As chris Farley would say "I've got a little bit of a weight problem.. any advice would be helpful. Thank you and love the vids informational!
Had to edit this, in I also have an rmr coming for this firearm so I'd need something optics ready. Any info belts, holsters so on would help.
Scott quick question what ammo do ya carry in 9? And if ya cant find that ammo a 2nd choice lol tyvm
Right now. Hornady 135 +P.
Scott- do you have a laser training system that you like or recommend?
LaserHit and Laserpet are two excellent laser dry practice systems.
Do you find it quicker to pick up the red dot on a closed emitter system such as the Aimpoint vs open emitters?
Nope. Proper technique helps you find the dot. Not the housing shape.
@@ModernSamuraiProject I appreciate the response, and I look forward to attending one of your classes soon.
Where is it at on your list of best optics?
How can I get one of these lol? They are like unobtainable not even gun broker has had them marked up !
Do want!😎
I got same battery in my 507k almost a year.
Wonderful!
Any thoughts or experiences with the new Eotech EFLX MRDS?
Soon
@@ModernSamuraiProject
Looking forward to it, any hints, is it generally speaking a yay or a nay? Thanks
Great review wanna train w you!
I don’t own one of these but I don’t see this optics as being better than the 509t. I like big windows though. Even still Holosun just released more closed emitter optics. With more and more closed optics coming out hopefully the Acro or Holosun footprint becomes standard.
That is my wish also. The footprint is my only worry with the $509 and the P2
It won’t and closed emitters won’t be main stream. To bulky for carry.
@@Three60Crusader Obviously you’ve never carried a closed emitter optic. That was blunt and maybe rude. But I carry both a 509 and an rmr in an appendix right. I can’t tell the difference in bulk, weight or feel. So you just wrong, maybe small or I’m special. I don’t is that I’m special since many carry like this. Since we’re giving out opinions, I think closed emitter odd the future of all optics until something better is born.
Do a Review on Eotech vudu 1-8x not to many out there
What an absurd thing. Like building a sand castle with a bull dozer.
Which one do you prefer RMR or Acro?
Both are excellent but prefer the Acro
I’m right there with Scott the RMR Is it good optic but the acro is where it’s at or anything like it there’s definitely when you think about the acro you don’t have to take it off to change out batteries the Rmr you do which sucks because then you’re wasting time letting your lock take that you reapply set up for the minimum of 24 hours then having to go out and burn through some ammo to Re ZERO it those two things are the main reason why I moved away from optics such as the Rmr Just doesn’t fit with my program anymore and with the acro if it dies 10 seconds and you have a new battery in ..
@@thomasgibbs3656 not true, sage dynamics put the RMR thru 20,000 rounds and changed the battery twice. Never had to zero it beyond the first time. RMR is still the best.
@@Three60Crusader you don’t need to rezero it, but you definitely have to confirm zero after swapping out the battery.
Looks solid. Not sure I can justify the expense over the current Holosun offerings, tho. Thanks for the review.
The video quality was not good to say the least. It would be best to buy a better webcam and size the video to a regular format.
My apologies for not getting Oscar worthy cinematography. I will immediately refund the amount you paid to watch the video.
@@ModernSamuraiProject that’s not the point and you know it. I might as well have listened to an audio only file for the information in this video. You don’t need fancy b-roll close ups at 4k with a RED camera using professional editing. Just a 720p webcam and uploading at 1920x1080 would suffice. Again, no editing. All in one cut. It’s easy to do. In 2022 this is a very sub par video standard even for simple content. I don’t mean to be rude at all, this is simply constructive criticism so you could improve the quality. I see you’re writing everyone off who’s made the same comment regarding the video quality. Of course it’s your channel and you’re free to do what you want, but it won’t help you get views or subscribers uploading 1999 quality content. Especially for people on a phone size screen, it’s an immediate click off. Which if you don’t care about your channel then sure, don’t care about what people think and go on about your day. Upload for yourself only. If you do care about people enjoying the video at least, it may be a good idea to take note of the suggestions made in the comment section. Your viewer base is giving you friendly pointers, not insulting you.
I did almost have a shootout in a blizzard and rainstorm durning a tornado warch lol
If only they weren't near impossible to obtain.
I have a p1 on my g19 , the battery, is a no issue.. they are cheap and the thing has a fricking off switch! When you come home turn it off! The battery is easily accessible! Stop your crying!
P2 laughs in 2032
Haven’t ever had an issue with my non enclosed emitter red dot. I can’t bring myself to put that ugly ass box on my pistol.
This PDP its 4.5 or 5"?
5
The P1 has such an unbelievable failure point!!!!! People should have been demoted or fired. Think about how many people had approved this crappy version 1. It was such as easy fix! The P2 is great!
Meanwhile I’ve been getting 6 months per battery out of all my Acro p1’s for the past two years. No they weren’t turned off! Crybabies crying cuz it doesn’t get 50k hours on a single battery.
Good for you Mr. Unicorn.
@@ModernSamuraiProject Was that supposed to be an insult? My comment was generic!
@@wolf_ofwarstreet7844 crying cry babies is an insult, I believe he said good for you, that was a pat on the back.
Cry baby
@@quickdraw881 someone doesn’t understand the word generic, go cry about it!
"I don't care"
Really!
$700 when there are great optics for 300.
I.dont get it. Why stick to these old Red Dots that cost so much and give you 6 months of power.
Made sense when they were the only game in town but now????
Grossly over$ for the civlilian market at $600-700 MSRP and is honestly one of the ugliest RDO's out there. For a duty gun fuction over looks.
So many better choices out there today for the civlilian market. From a performance and cost point. e.g. 2022 Holosun SCS $400 MSRP. Closed emitter and solar powered. No need to rremember to change the battery. With so much going on in our lives are we really doing to remember?? :)
Drop testing Aron Cowan style. Nice to know an optic would pass. But REALLY how many civilians are going to do that and not be babying their jguns? More so if they've spent $2300 in upgrades to Rolland Special their Glocks. Though perhaps the P2 IS for the Rolland Special crowd. :) For the rest of us $ matters. Making the Holosun 's a better choice IMHO. Looks better too. Who wants this "mailbox" on the top of their pistol? BUTT ugly.
The SCS is not a closed emitter dude
Nobody gets in a gunfight in the rain.... This is the problem when you take tactical advice from a mortgage salesman who confuses USPSA matches being cancelled due to weather with context. Combine this with the comment in there recent podcast that the 2011 thumb safety just needs reps. Please take a class like ECQC and get some context.
Hey bro. How many cops do you train a year? How many LE conferences do you teach at? How many LE have you polled from SWAT to FBI to US Marshals? How many pistol gunfights have you been in the rain? The answer to all these is zero. Also been doing BJJ since 1996 and other arts well before that. On the ECQC thing, I’ll call Craig Douglas right now and see what he says about thumb safeties. Do you have that relationship with him. Again the answer is no.
The answer is not zero. The last time I pointed a pistol at someone in the rain was at 07:04 on 1/14/22. Rolling is good but the mats tend to be indoors. When was the last time you rolled with someone on gravel after being thrown into a crash barrier without the option to tap? When was the last time your pistol came out your holster inverted because you were in some fouled up tangle with a 300lb dude on his third strike? Context.
@@fredsmith8556 Did you pull the trigger? What was the distance? Was a precise sight picture needed? Give us some context. Also talked to Craig Douglas, he said his first pistol OIS was with a gun with a thumb safety, so….
@@ModernSamuraiProject a better question to ask your class participants is how many times have they pointed a gun at someone in the rain. Pointing can be multiple times a shift where OIS is few to none in a career. How many times have they trained in wet, mud, or snow and had an issue. I've had DBAL illuminators kaleidoscope and Trijicon RMS star field on me. In this situation the two other participants had the vote on shot complexity. Fight me from the vehicle and the background demanded a precise 8 yard shot. Exit the vehicle and attack me would be an easy index shoot. Run into the woods behind the car and shoot at me and we are back to needing a precise shot. My Trijicon did fine but it was something to worry about. Craig's contribution with ECQC is twofold. He provides you with a rich experience honest to the problem and a set of techniques he has developed and pressure tested to navigate it. I've seen too many FOF evos where the 1911 thumb and grip safety are issues. Funny one was from a guy who right before said he had 1 millions reps and it won't be an issue.
@@fredsmith8556 Ah so respond to logic by shifting the parameters. You are now disqualified.