No Pistol Red Dot? Stop Being A Fudd
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The debate about whether or not you should have a pistol red dot continues......somehow. If you're a person who gets out to train, there is no excuse not to have a red dot on your pistol. Check out CTT Solutions for upcoming classes with Mike Pannone. - บันเทิง
Much respect to any trainer who actually shoots while being filmed. Not everyone is willing or able to do that.
The truth is everyone misses. Instructors shouldn’t hide from that reality.
As an RDS instructor, I demo every drill or skill for students. Keeps me sharp and humble because sometimes I miss or don’t make par time.
Just a word for anyone looking to buy a house in Utah, Jake has been extremely helpful to me so far. It's going to be my first home purchase and I 100% feel like I'm in good hands.
Cheers mate
Jake and Heidi also helped me purchase a BEAUTIFUL home in Utah. Made the process extremely smooth and painless. Great communication and execution.
@Mickey Nordell That's great to hear! Where abouts southern or northern Utah? In looking in Cedar city
Wish they were in MI! We bought a house 6 months ago and our realtor sucked.
Congratulations 🍪
Also I think if you really wanted to upset fudds ask them “why does optics need to be in its own division in competition if it isn’t better?” And watch the 22lr bounce around in their skulls
More-so to do with fitting in the box and overall weight than anything else. They're all different.
It's another point of failure and complexity that requires more training and adds at least a couple hundred dollars to your gun... and it's STILL worth it.
100% dude
I am just going to say that most people who are not into red dots are the same people who have not touched their guns in months. To be efficient with a red dot you have to train a lot. 🤷🏽♂️😁
You’re not wrong. The difference in gun owners and shooters
you're 100% right
Shooting a pistol is a perusable skill.
Shooting a pistol with a red dot is doubly perusable (degrading faster).
Red dots are in and of themselves great training aids.
They reward people who train regularly and punish those who don't
My only concern is: Where do most police officers fall of this training curve?
Its cool that you are working with this level of individual.Ive been aware of CTT solutions for about 5 years and he is on the short list of instructors I intend to train with . Much respect.
Not officially announced yet but our Patreon crew got the inside scoop on a private class coming soon
@@1911syndicate signed up .. lets get it
Arguing irons are better on pistols is the exact same as arguing irons on rifles are better. Don’t be that guy.
Your dumb... basically gun shit is handguns up close, and rifles long distance
Great info. At 60 years old, that front sight has just about disappeared with these old eyes. I was really frustrated the first few days with the holosun 507 on my PDP, had a hard time chasing that dot that was always hiding up and to the left. But with regular dry fire practice it’s getting easier
That's really great to hear, keep it up. GOD bless
Noner. I have had the pleasure of training with this gentleman twice and help run a course of instruction he was providing. Consummate professional and knows what he is talking about so well he can explain it to anyone in a way they will understand. This is a sign of someone who truly knows and understands a subject. Do yourself a favor and get trained by him. Now that he is closer to me I will definitely take make classes from him.
I agree 💯 that red dots are the best way to go for pistols. So much easier and faster to put a red dot on the target than aligning the sight s on the target.
Good points and good to hear the experience. Awesome to see Mike in this video.
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate : Mike stares at Crispy's emaciated form, Jake waves at the camera, and 1 million fudds get angry at the thought of being in the 21st century.......
The future is NOW
😂😂😂
Awesome to keep hearing how durable the sro is. Thanks for the informative video. Nice to hear from experience.
I love the large window of the sro and it's on my winter carry gun for 3 years now
It's worth noting that the internal electronics are very durable. I have one, and it's survived a minor drop, which is good. Just don't expect it to survive nasty falls.
Holosun makes extremely affordable versions of their red dots and some dots that mount directly to Glock mos, all with shake awake and other great features
Yup I put the Holosun SCS on my Gen 5 G17 and it co-witnesses and it doesn’t have to change a battery.
Yup I put the Holosun SCS on my Gen 5 G17 and it co-witnesses and it doesn’t have to change a battery.
My first Reddot pistol combo is the Holosun 507 and the 365x macro. Because the irons line up with how the dot sits in the pistol I am able to find the dot super easy. If the battery dies I can shoot straight through because the irons still line up
@@Diabolus_Musica what a dick comment.. No surprise coming from a Red Sox fan lol
@@Diabolus_Musica You don't remember the first time you didn't know the name of something and you described it not knowing there is a proper name?
You don't reference the irons to shoot the dot.
@@jessegpresley he's back
I keep thinking the backdrop in this video is fake. What a cool place.
Nonners taught me so much, from quality choices in guns and trucks to mindset.
He's as good as they come.
I recently put a red dot on one of my pistols for the first time and I can't imagine where anyone could find legitimate information questioning their reliability. I did alot of reserch and I never found anything that would make me question the reliability of a red dot in 2022. It's like everything else - EVERY complaint is reported, while satisfied users have less reason to waste their time NOT complaining.
Well you should. I've been using dots in completions and practice for years. The avg person that shoots a couple boxes a year will most likely never have a failure with MOST brands. I can tell you that vortex dots have a very low life span. Thwy have come a long way in a couple years. I do believe that the mounting system plays a HUGE part in reliability.
It warms my heart to see someone his age appendix carry with a dot ☺️
I think that may just be your confirmation bias talking. I'm an old bastard, as are all my friends, and we all appendix carry and most of us have dots. I think the whole dot resistance thing gets dumped on old guys because it fits in with the "Fudds vs Young Guys" narrative nicely.
Much respect Mike Pannone is such a great humble professional.
He’s the man
There is always a cost/benefit analysis to be made. For the average person in the lower tax brackets, a $600 pistol with a $150 light and a $50-$200 holster adds up quick, and for a lot of people that $300-$500 for a red dot would be better than spent on ammo. There is a certain point where the dot a good upgrade, but not everyone can buy Noveske or HK.
100 percent right on
Stop being poor
@@joshuahaskell4455 stole my reply lol
This is a poor argument. Although I understand your logic, in the real world it’s fallable. First, comparing by your prices a 1000 dollar handgun with a 3-5k rifle aren’t in the same ball park. Secondly. No one said it has to be purchased all at once, and the vast…..vast majority of individuals poorly spend their money with no direction. If they did, they could afford far more than they realize. But a 6 dollar coffee everyday for a month at Starbucks is 200 bucks right there…
Used Canik/Taurus handgun $200-$300, Holosun 407 $250, Streamlight ~$150, Vedder Holsters $60. Total: $760 before tax/ship. We are in the golden age of handguns, anyone if they're willing to have the discipline, can save and get a setup.
I struggled with this for a while I went back and forth. Finally settled in and put the dot back on my pistol. I am simply faster and more accurate with it installed.
I had one crack, but the dot was still functional, sent back in for repair. Sig Romeo 1 Pro on a P320 AGX SCPN
On the ACSS with the large ring, if you haven't been in at least a few gunfignts, I would leave the ring on, even if you don't need it. When the pressure of life and death is on, you don't perform as well as in training. It's something you can't totally replicate at the range.
Holy crap! Noner actually would hang with you guys? You guys have no idea the info thats in that dudes head. You guys just went up a notch for for being more than just entertaining 😉
Then you’ll enjoy next Fridays video
Yes! I agree!
Hierarchy of needs; if you buy a rifle and pistol buying gear for the rifle take precedent. Sling , optic mags etc
Your pistol is to get to your rifle if your baller on budget make sure it has decent irons and go from there
Love my Holosun 507k 🔴 on my tricked out g19. Ppl may have durability issues with the 507k, and there’s some caveats with RDS on handguns, but it’s worked well for me. Got it milled into the slide and gives me a lower 1/3 cowitness. Will be putting more 🔴 on my other handguns but it’s definitely a financial and training commitment.
Who did you milling? Did some a few searches and cant find anyone who does 507k milling for something that it not a micro (p365, shield plus ect.)
dude thats awesome 👊🏼👊🏼
@@SoccerSticks348 primary machine. They’re great and I might be biased but milling is the best way to go vs going with factory plates. I’ll be getting a Holosun 507 with ACSS Vulcan reticle on my g19x mounted by primary machine once I stop spending some much damn $$$ on my ARs 😉
Get an EPS carry.
@@donovanchilton5817 either that or a holosun Scs 😎
Great video. I am super excited to see what videos are to come featuring Mike. 🎉
I was a late adopter of dots on pistols but now I’m sold. Is it a “must have” on a concealed carry gun IMO? No but it’s definitely nice to have and does give you more capability. What convinced me was taking an advanced pistol class with a 48MOS with a Holosun 507k. When things got “dynamic” is where the dot shined. Shooting on the move, in funky positions, single handed, or moving targets all became easier with a dot. That being said, there is a frustrating learning curve i had to work through.
Absolutely
Mike is a good guy and fantastic instructor!
right? bummed i missed this batch of filming 😔
Also, primary arms acss will help in a real scenario where you're laying down, crouched down, off at a weird angle etc. Most people practice standing and drawing in one position. The acss ring would help locate that dot when you're outside the field of practice you've actually trained to
The analysis makes sense.
Yup I have the primary arms acss and I love it.
I got a delta point pro on my g45 a while ago and wow it is so nice. I was watching the video you made with Scott from modern samurai project and thought I would get into the red dot game. Now I just wish I could get a dote on all my handguns. Please keep the videos coming.
dang man thank you for trusting us with your purchase and where you get your info from. Always cross reference the info we share. Having said that Mike is a subject matter expert. thanks again or following for so long.
I was “against” (didn’t really see the point) until about a year ago. I tried one and I loved it. Recently I was shooting irons for about two weeks and then went back to a red dot…omg it was like cheating. I am a true believer
It’s insane that you just randomly met this guy. He’s a badass
Kinda sorta random
@@1911syndicate ykwim- pretty crazy cool
I ran a Tasco "Propoint" (30mm tube RD) on a prototype 2011 in the late 80's. While it was an awkward, boat anchor by comparison to current MRDs, it was the proverbial "game changer" for precision at distance, target/threat focus aiming.
I don't leave home without a RD equipped pistol.
Good Vid!
Thank you for watching and for your experience sir I know Jake and Mike appreciate it and I do also. Really bummed I missed filming this content with Jake and Mike.
I just got a hellcat with a sig Romeo just this year. It took sometime before I get used to the dot but I just got to say I have no plans to go back to irons at this time.
About the comment at 21:10. At Shadow Systems it was my job to zero irons for a long time. It got to the point where I could get the rear sight within .001" and that's great, but no matter what, there's human variance in the aligning sights and it's a pain in the ass at 50 plus yards. An optic is nowhere as difficult because of all the carp going on in your visual field. I LOVE the demonstration given.
Very cool 👍🏻
I’ve had a RMR on my Glock 19 for the last two years and I absolutely love it. I just picked up a CZ 75 omega a few weeks ago. While the CZ is a awesome pistol and it’s fun to shoot, I’ve definitely realized the red dot has spoiled me in a sense.
I feel the exact same about switching between dot and irons. My agency hasn’t moved to a dot yet(rumor has it they’re switching by end of 2023) so every time I train with my duty gun vs my carry gun I just think “god this sucks I want to go back to my dot”.
I have the Mecanik MO1 dot on my Rival. Haven’t looked back at iron sights since.
As far as I’m concerned the only reason someone wouldn’t run one is money. That’s what’s currently preventing me from doing red dot. Need to get a smaller carry gun anyway and I’ll get one that’s optics ready but then I have to get the optic and ammo to practice with dot and a new holster and money is just too tight right now for it.
fair point and if its the price we get that 100% sir. If you are able to do it cause its not arguable it is all around better.
@@Chrisblau I’m tryin to save my penny’s but the pesky need to maintain warmth and sustenance makes it difficult. Once things aren’t so tight I’m going to get a smaller pistol that comes optics ready and then I can add the dot after that.
This was hands down the best video on red dot's I've watched, this is EXACTLY what I needed to hear as a new dot user.
I couldn't find an ACRO, but I did just put a Steiner MPS on my APX A1.
Just a testament to the RMR's durability. Specifically a Trijicon Rmr RM06 type 2--I have one mounted on my G19 mos. Well, on Sunday of this past week I started shooting some bulk Norma ammo(normally good ammo imo, never had any issues with it and it is always accurate). Anyway, I got 2 significant jams that "tap, rack" wouldn't rectify. The slide was simply stuck slightly out of battery and due to the Gen 5 coating on the slide it was very hard to get a strong enough grip to rip the slide open. Well, I just racked it off the bed of my truck using my RMR as leverage and the round ejected. The optic is fine and didn't even lose zero. In the past I've also dropped it onto concrete and frozen ground and fallen onto the gun with optic mounted(ice is slippery! I fell directly onto my holster, great thing Glocks are drop safe LOL).
100% I trust my life to the Trijicon RMR type 2. It has also helped me become a better pistol shooter. If I do my part properly I can make 100 yard shots with random range ammo and that's not an exaggeration. I nowadays do most of my practice at 25 yards because the red dot has made it trivial and the pistol bays at my gun club go out to 25 so I just practice there.
I love red dots on pistols and I don't understand the persistent debate around them. The only people who shouldn't use them are people with bad astigmatism and I'm sure for them at some point a company like Eotech will miniaturize their holographic tech OR SOMETHING will come along that will alleviate the issue--I've actually heard some people with astigmatism say holosun works good for them due to the reticle I guess.
I’m 73 and use a red dot on my range gun and I can definitely see an advantage. At this point in my life I still use irons on my carry guns.
@@BlackdogADV I still practice with irons on my G17 but my 19 is my carry gun so I use an RMR.
Yes the Holosuns starburst less for me with astigmatism. I did get a super deal on a Trijicon SRO with a 1 MOA dot because when I turn up the brightness it becomes bigger.
Contracting overseas in the early 2000s was big payday 💰
Realtor licensed in GA and TX. Will be sending you a message.
I switched to a dot and my shooting significantly got better. Target focus makes everything so much easier. And it does help you shoot irons better oddly enough.
I’ve run a bunch of different dots on my pistols in competition for years. Trijicon, HS, Sig and Cmore. None of them have ever failed. But like all high speed gear , you install them properly , maintain, clean and inspect them. I clean my guns after every use. Confirm my zero on every range trip. Change batteries regularly. Use proper lens cleaning technique. Are dots a better sighting system then irons ? .. of course , unless you have an eyesight issue like a severe astigmatism ( but some reticules are better than others for that ) I’ve cracked a lens , stripped screws etc but other parts on my guns have broken or failed and required replacement just like on any other tool or sports equipment that I use a lot. Dot shooters typically fill out the leader board at competitions simply because they are measurably faster and more accurate . When you match 2 shooters of the exact same proficiency against each other the dot shooter will typically win. Thats what the stats say anyway .
I’ve seen and heard of iron sights falling off (e.g. failing).
Good video, thanks for the content.
I'm here in Oz.... I went to my local range yesterday and chose a pistol with a red dot and for the life of me I COULD NOT see the red dot.
And looking back now I could see my front sight because that's what I was focusing on.
I’m just gonna copy and paste this video on all those stupid forums where you have all the fudds screaming about iron sights.
please do dude 😂😂
So sick to see you guys have on someone of this caliber. Well done dudes!
Got my first one. A Lupold on a Walther PDP compact 5.
Getting used to it. Lots of trouble finding the dot!
Keep studying and training. You’ll get it
Go to a class get training pdp is s great platform
@@boomee78 yeah, I like the gun. At this point I am faster with iron sights. I haven't given up on the red dot.
I have a holosun 509 on my 5" PDP. Give it time, I've put about 1k rounds through it and I'm just starting to get used to it. Love the PDP.
I gave up and went back to irons.
I'm fairly new to shooting, and just gotta ask when we're going to stop fighting and name-calling amongst ourselves as a group? We've got enough issues without having to be called a fudd because of an opinion. Full disclosure, I shoot dots too.
Sadly its part of it. every group has infighting 🤷♂
I agree. I’m a Millennial, but find the term to be very disrespectful. It makes those who use the term look like cocky assholes.
I don’t use red dots, for one reason.. I don’t want to. I’ve shot irons so much and am so proficient in them that I just don’t feel the need to use a red dot. I like to keep things simple. If it works for me, I’m not gonna change it. Simple as that.
TH-cam titles are meant to have people click the video. Which apparently worked
@@1911syndicate well I'm subscribed, so there's that .🤪 congrats on your fudd click bait trolling though. 😏
@@SergiuM42 time and time again the data shows shooting with a dot is/will be much faster and accurate than irons. A lot of people like to deny science and facts today (not saying your one) but it’s a very simple concept that has been proven for 10+ years now as like said in the video. But hey dude if irons is your thing awesome have at it 👊🏼 stay safe my dude thanks for watching and commenting and I am in no way shape or form trying to be a jerk just a conversation dude
Up until about a year ago, I never ever thought I would want to put one of those newfangled electronic “fad” devices on my pistol. Until I did. Haven”t looked back. After I trained and practiced with the dot, it’s on my EDC gun. Irons almost seem weird to me now.
I think a good comparison is anyone who’s good at bowling would never bowl with just their plastic spare ball. You need to use a reactive ball with a core to be better.
How is it that the FBI and Secret Service aren't using dots on their pistols yet?
When he said his cop buddy occludes his dot cuz of potential sun. I've thought of covering my aimpoint on my HD rifle cuz of the cloud defensive rein being so bright my aimpoint pro needs to be on setting 9 out of 10...I can possibly drop down the brightness of its occluded....
This is honestly a great technique to use indoors for home defense. Dots can easily wash out with illumination but keeping the front cap on can give you a dot that isn’t going to disappear on you.
I also found that to be a really interesting point
The legion precision arms double stack, could be the go to hi cap.
I'm perficient with both and both have their place. Accuracy is improved with a dot hands down! Nothing negates practice and you can seen from the video he is VERY accurate with iorns as well. Practice with whatever choice you make.
I have a RMR on my rock 5.7 and a DDP on my AXG classic. Dots are game changers.
Karl you truly are a king 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
@Official1911syndicate
You seem like a scam
Ya I love when I get a little rain on the lense of my RMR and can't even see the sights let alone the red mess that is the dot. Basically turning my gun into a paper weight.
Two words sir CLOSED EMITTER. I’m sorry not to be rude but this is simply another ridiculously flawed excuse. Does it rain 24/7 365 where you live? You’re carrying concealed I assume so your clothing will keep your dot dry unless you like to jump in a pool on a rainy day, if rain makes dots ineffective then why do we run them on rifles? If inclement weather is legit your excuse I’m sorry you simply have no idea what you’re talking about. I am in no way trying to be rude but dude this excuse has been disproven time and time and time and time again. If you simply just don’t want to run a dot cause you don’t want to cool 🤷🏻♂️
@@Chrisblau I don't take any of that as rude in any way but I think your logic is flawed. In the Pacific Northwest rain is a constant problem. Open or closed emitter doesn't matter. If you can't see through the glass you can't see the glass simple as that. I Have the same problems with my rifle scopes on my hunting rifles, binoculars, range finders, red dots and ACOGs. Heck even glasses will fog to the point where they are unusable everything with a lens has this problem. It does not matter on my hunting equipment because I can simply not take a shot but on the gear I used to defend myself for me it's mandatory that that optic be removed to expose irons. If I could take my RMR off my Glock quickly and easily I would have no problem with a dot on my handgun. I prefer it over irons. But the fact that I can't makes the handgun unusable in some situations You are right that it stay clean when concealed but I don't only expect my handgun to be usable when coming out of concealment. Like I said I prefer the dot over irons so I'm not trying to make excuses for why I don't run one.
I’m a recent convert, absolutely worth it. I’m far more accurate and efficient with an RDS.
For me I have used iron sights my whole life so I am use to them. Also I don’t have to spend money to keep the iron sights. To go to a red dot I either have to buy new pistols or have the ones I have machined to accept the dot as well as money for the dot.
It boils down to personal preference and personal proficiency with either or both options.
to a point 100% but if it has been shown like scientifically you are faster with a dot then even if its preference for irons you COULD be faster with a dot if you choose that to be your preference. see what im saying? Also not trying to be a jerk just discussing my dude. thank you for watching and commenting we appreciate it
Would you say the same for rifle red dots/irons?
I work for one of those agencies stuck in the 90s he speaks of that refuses to issue reds on handguns. It’s very frustrating. 😤 Hell they make us buy our own weapons lights. Bums
sorry to hear that man 😔😔 really no need to be that way. Simply put they are willingly choosing to have you guys be LESS capable officers.
@@Chrisblau I could not agree more. I got certified as a firearms instructor for the agency in 2021 and it’s been like beating my head on a wall. And until the senior instructor retires which is hopefully in 3 years. There is zero chance of updating those areas in the program
@@art1546 dude that’s such a bummer. Here in Arizona depts are going the other way and a good buddy just went through the first academy that was issued dots. Cool to see the change sad not everyone will catch on.
This guy is right when it comes to shooting but...
Another benefit of iron sights is lower maintenance in marine environments... not by much though. The newer enclosed red dots might totally change this (expensive though).
Lastly, holster compatibility is more difficult with a dot. This is especially true if you need a level III holster.
Well. Salt is corrosive yes. So if that it what your speaking about. Then yes 100% agree.
Enclosed Rds Options have a huge range in price from low to high.
Holsters are 100% available from
Safariland. 6390rds and level 3 6360RDS. I sell a few month. 😂
Never having a red dot, I just don’t like the extra bulk it adds. Even a commander, single stack can be difficult to ccw.
Run this on an AR platform. Really satisfied with it.
I have the Vulcan holosun and I am noticing the chevron has a shadow on one side. Looks like there are 2 chevrons instead of one. Wondering if anyone has seen this before.
I'm a poor man... With that said I will own a DBL stack 1911 but until then I love my Damn CANIK'S
Great video. Thanks
Off topic question, do your Sordins make a white/static noise when you turn them on and does it get louder when you turn the volume up? My new ones do and was wondering if thats standard?
Thank you both for a good video. I have done some research on pistol optics in your opinion what would work better on my 2011 STI DVC Tactical 5.0 - out of these 4 Green dots only - Holosun HE507GRX2 or 508TX2- Trijicon RMR Type 2 - Viridian RFX35
For a gun like that, none of those would be ideal. DPP, SRO, Romeo3 max or Romeo3 xl would be this random stranger's recommendations.
@@alexglenn2122 I will never put a DPP on any of my guns. I really like Sig products I was considering the Romeo 3 and SRO but I found the other Trijicon had better reviews
I’d take a 507
@@1911syndicate Holosun and Trijicon has the best reviews off of your recommendation I will get the 507 for my 2011 Thanks 👍🏻 I know optics for rifles but like I said before this will be my first one for a pistol that's why I had to do research for it.
Red dot will be here on Thursday, I feel attacked lol
🔴
A ruthless attack
Absolutely love the delta point pro
I feel the debate is happening because of footprints and type of red dots. For example quality of do it all plates (Glock MOS), screw issues (breaking). Batteries under the optic, color of dots, I like my Sigs but then I get limited how they cut the footprint. Now I am limited to which optic. S&W made plastic plates that broke, if you are like me and prefer a closed emitter then there are little options. Then when you find the optic now it does not match your gun. Does one buy a gun to match the optic they like or buy the gun and settle for the optic. Plates are a failure point. It will get better. But the argument I do not believe is because of the red dot versus irons (sometimes it is) but I experience confusion on the fitment. Plus a red dot combo that resolves the new shooter concerns are far more expensive. Time will bring the cost down. I was just looking at a new P226 legion and I asked what be the factory red dot cut was for. I knew but I wanted to see if they could tell me. They did not know. This is a $1300 cut for certain optics. They could not even tell me that crucial info. Imagine a new shooter. Time will fix this.
Beautiful mountain background.
Rocking the Recon Sniper Hoodie? Great video! Red dot on my 1911? blasphemy! John Moses Browning will haunt you, muh two World Wars....Now my Sigs? Leupolds and Romeos..Red dots..LOL!..Semper Fi.!
The first time I shot a dot gun I was sold. I only own one pistol with a dot though because I don't wanna sell what I've already bought to get the optics cut versions. The biggest reason I don't have a dot on everything possible is just the added cost of milling and buying a 3 to 500 dollar optic for everything. With out a doubt though red dots make hitting what your shooting at easier.
We call that goals.
CPHWS has a decent price in milling right now if you want to start moving that route.
@@jdrollason it's not a priority honestly. I can easily afford it but I don't see the cost being worth the benefit when i do have something that does that already.
The HS507 ACSS is still the best pistol rds for those making the transition from irons to dots. That circle around the chevron helps with the learning curve of sight alignment massively. 110% recommend it.
Nobody good uses it, dry fire solves the finding the dot issue.
@@jessegpresley boo hoo
Cope harder
I have a 509T, EPS, and EPS Carry.
I got a dot on a pistol about 2 years ago and every single pistol i got has a dot on it because it is night and day difference! I even put a dot on my 44 magnum. It is a little tall but it is way better than irons for damn sure!
7:34 - 8:10 The advantages of red dots over iron sights.
Its flashlight sized lasers top mounted on desert eagles or nothing
You’re absolutely right 😂😂😂
unless i missed it, one key factor was not spoken about here and that is cost. for instance my glock 19x is not mos so i would have to put out anywhere from 500-1000$ to get it milled plus the dot cost. while i agree reddots are superior long term, there is a steep price barrier in many cases. not to mention it is a giant pain in the ass to send things out for work to be done.
Then buy one that is red dot ready there. Try a walther pdp or a shadowsystems. The cost was 100 bucks to have a glocked milled from from jagerworks black friday sale. Simple save up there are even cheaper pistols that come dot ready
Holosun rmr footprint, later swappable for an RMR
Jaegerwerks black friday milling deal
so your life of the life of a loved one isnt worth the investment? bummer dude
@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce the 2nd comment about a black friday sale. well if i had a time machine to think about getting this sale, i would likely use it for many other things before a milling deal. lol
@@Chrisblau you say that like my pistol somehow is incapable of doing what it has done for decades because it doesnt have a red dot.
Too lazy to get a custom mill job on my HKP2000SK (thanks CA). Unless Langdon tactical starts offering it.
No, don’t tell me what to do.
What if the USPs fit me the best and I don't have the ability to easily have optics cuts made (because Germany)..
Should I reconsider my choices?
A P30 will check the same box and accomplish what you want
@@1911syndicate Thanks, I will check it out.
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I hope to get into the red dot on a handgun game soon 🔥🔥
Please do. Just commit to the training
@@1911syndicate most definitely will. it definitely takes work to get consistent presentation
Only problem for me is astigmatism and cross-eye dominant so I'm stuck with irons.
Me too, but get a green dot. Cross eye dominant hasn't been an issue out to 20 yards
@Adam Rietz tried both red and green dot ...... either a comma or a Starburst. I also can't use an aimpoint on my AR or AUG, but Primary Arms 1X prism has been a godsend!
Not trying to jab you but that’s still not a valid reason. I have an astigmatism and dots are far superior. And Mike I don’t think mentioned this but he has one eye. So he shoot cross eye dominant out of necessity. Again it comes down to training
@1911 Syndicate I've actually tried an optic cut slide for my 92, even went with the acss reticle, still got about a 6 moa dot, I could make it work out to 7 yards. Finally sold it to a friend.
Cross eye dominance is literally solved by red dots, and is only an issue with irons. Cross eye dominance is also not really an issue with pistols anyway, you just present to your dominant eye if you need to.
People confuse eye dominance and other separate eye issues all the time. Vision quality (focus, astigmatism, etc) has absolutely nothing to do with dominance.
Anyone who doesn't get red dots on pistols are the same people who were being goobers about dots on rifles. Just 40 years later
Edit: found some of the people who woulda been the ones griping about rifle dots 40 years ago
Or maybe some of us have an astigmatism and the dot looks like a giant fuzzy blob.
In my opinion not a valid excuse. I have what you describe and shoot pistol dot far better than irons
So stupid. You need a dot to shoot the 10 yards? Dots matter maybe 25+ yards which is long range for pistols. Inside 10 yards which is a realistic distance they are slower than irons. If you train and are a competent pistol shooter you don’t need a dot. Coming from someone’s who owns several and I prefer irons 90% of time
@@jameshalfhill9919 people trash on the dual illuminated RMRs all the time but they are great for astigmatism. The T1 on my rifle looks like a comet smear, so I get it. In my experience, the RM04 (7 MOA amber dot) has been plenty bright in all situations, and has all the durability of the battery powered RMRs. In the 5% of realistic scenarios where you get dot washout, just shift your focus to the BUIS. Just my $0.02.
@@jungckh cool thanks for the tip
People, we need to give Finn a new car so he can enjoy the ride with Jake
i also want a nicer vehicle when jake drives me around on the film set 😂😂😂
When Mike talks I listen!
thats a good rule of thumb cause he is a subject matter expert on like EVERYTHING 😂 such a solid dude
Swear by mine, especially with my diminishing eyesight
Gotta have a dot, love shooting irons but there is no comparison though especially these days, no excuse to not run a dot, even money is not a reason now, you can get a good dot for $100-$200 bucks these days
First pistol upgrade needs to be a light, not a red dot. The next upgrade if funds are available is maybe the red dot, there is a crapload of handguns out there that are not compatible with red dots and installing one requires machining into the slide which can ruin a gun if the person does not know what they are doing. My first red dot would automatically turn off after say 4 hours and the constant on wasn't a thing and if it was I never found that feature and I didn't want to have to turn on my sights if i had to defend myself (gave it away). My second red dot failed within two weeks of me getting it, I am on my third dot and i have placed it on my .22lr where it works extremely well in that role. If you do have a dot on a gun then maybe replace batteries on your birthday, I just have not been impressed with the advantages. Even during the shown demonstration, the speed at 7 yards was marginally better and the accuracy was said to be better but the group sizes where virtually the same but at difference red dots are much better. If you want a dot, great if not than I don't believe its a big deal.
What dot do you have that you put on your red dot?
I’d disagree with most of what you said. More and more handguns are being built optics ready. Like almost all semi popular guns. Back in the day you’d have to send it off for a red dot but but that’s a thing of the past. Quality red dots have a phenomenal track record. I’ve seen more iron sights fail than red dots
@@TennisPro4686289 no need to even try Corey. If oriole aren’t willing to set their ego aside and listen to irrefutable data, research, science, and stats then there is no point. People who think they can argue with someone like Mike are to far gone homie.
@@TennisPro4686289 First one was a vortex venom, 2nd one was some breed of holosun (the red dot that failed as in would not turn on after turning it on the first time and failed to turn on after change in battery sent it off and holosun was like yeah it has a manufacturing defect here is a new one), my current one is a another holosun. Of my handguns I only have one that is red dot compatible all others will require a machinist if I want an dot on one. Personally I have been to a low level three gun and people struggled because of their red dots. Timer started and they bring up gun, realize their optic is off drop the gun and turn on optic and then have to bring it back up, got so bad that RSO started telling people to make sure their dot was on during the load and make ready stage to every shooter who went up with a dot.
Thanks
Thank you sir
I’m indifferent to red dots on pistols, just train with what you have and what feels more intuitive to you.
A dot is infinitely more intuitive
@@user-uq1kk4mh2n not to a blind person......
Says the person who hasn't learned the benefits of the dot life.
@@misplaced_hoosier damn man, you peeping on me at the range. I should’ve shot your drone down with my irons 😂. Like I said previously, I’m “indifferent” to them not against them. There is merit to using what you have at your disposal and not spending additional coin on equipment because TH-cam says you must or die.
You can train as much as you want to, but if you take two people with equal skill, the dot is going to win every time. Might as well give yourself an advantage