The Zero, the off-set and parallax | Learning RED DOTS On Handguns (Part 1)
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*Colion Noir* Most of us can't afford private lessons, thank-you so much for taking the time to film this for us. God Bless.
That's my goal with these videos. I know im blessed to get these opportunities so i try to share them as best I can.
Roger that. Thanks a lot Mr. Noir.
Watching your videos really is informative. I'm going to get an FN 509 tactical soon. So I'm looking forward to having a red dot myself.
@@ProfligateGhost I love my 509 tactical. Make sure you put a decent amount of rounds (250+) thru it before thinking about a trigger change.
@@jaybee2850 I actually plan on doing that. :)
These are the no nonsense type of instructors I’d love to work with. Gives you the nuts and bolt and doesn’t try to sound overly cool by using a bunch of shit worlds to impress the students. Well done. Thanks for sharing.
My instructor is really cool AF off the range. But as soon as you step in. He's hard cord drill Sargent lol, no BS.
I like this instructor -calm, gives you the why and demonstrates
Hes an awesome guy to learn from.
Yup, real good dude. I’ve taken a couple courses with him up at Sig academy.
I agree, but Kinda also felt like he was pushing you towards coming to the same conclusion that he was as well...could've just been time constraint though
And he backed it up too, good shooting
yeah defintly like how the instructor starts with WHY
Really appreciate this guys attentiveness to everyones saftey
He's awesome to work with.
Yup, 'cause you gotta make sure all our safties are secure... ;)
He would drive me crazy.
@@_-Montana-_ Yep, don't point your gun at anything you are not going to shoot. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you are going to shoot. Know your backdrop. Three things. Guess I been in to many live fires. People who are overly safe tend to make you think of other things vs basics. Which is more dangerous.
Some dumbass is wearing sunglasses on a cloudy day. I want to be able to see what I'm aiming at. Not good.
The dude stopped mid sentence to make sure everyone had eyes and ears. That's a dude who is always thinking
No. That should be first thing not last. He's to impatient and teaching someone who wears sunglasses on a cloudy day. Phukin sad.
That’s a dude who caught himself messing up. Should have been eyes and ears soon as y’all loaded up for training so....
@@whatudoin5853 exactly that’s why he got nervous for a second cause he was about to squeeze off one being an instructor completely ignoring safety rules they preach.
@@starxlord9856 not even remotely true. Have you taken a course? Ears are on and off all day long, even with loaded guns on your hip.
It's a firing range. Some people need to chill out
Dude talks about as loud as my wife. As far as red dots on pistols, I think it's the evolution of the modern sidearm. We love your content sir because we can count on learning something new with every upload.
Remember when pistol optics first came out, they were mounted on the frame of the pistol with side supports that held it still?
@@troy3456789 Yep. they still do on comp pistols. Though they do it because of the fact that the dot does not reciprocate after each shot.
@@mrsickwick Oh wow, I did not know that. When you say competitions, you mean olympic style slow shooting?
@@troy3456789 Actually I'm not sure, I've never payed attention to that. I mainly meant IDPA-IPSC tournaments and whatnot. There actually was a new comp pistol released at SHOT that is insanely flat shooting and was designed where the RDS does not reciprocate as well.
George F the ALIEN?
Got to love how the bad guy on sigs targets is holding a Glock
Subliminal messaging lol
Velvet jump suit...... Tbh it should be a hi point 😂
I'm pretty sure they the guy on the target is either a current or former employee at Sig.
Deez Nuts noir seems to be using a SIG m17 platform but I’m not TOO familiar with that firearm.
@Deez Nuts They're using the Sig P320 XFive Legion. The grip is tungsten infused polymer or something like that making it feel a little heavier than normal P320s. It's like $1000 or more.
As a 60 year old, iorn sight person. I'm having a little trouble with the red dot. Thanks for the video, it's really helpful.
I like this instructor.
Don't you hate it when they ask a question, and though it's plain English, you have no idea what they're looking for in an answer. "So, the point of this drill is what?" "What am I taking away from this?" I would have been like "uh... red dots are a good thing???" Good video. I appreciate you sharing this. "Thumbs up" from this Kentucky boy.
Right? I'm the student here, Teacher...Elucidate me, please. :)
Hated those questions in school 😂
Always felt like that was teachers not knowing the subject or how to add value through what they're trying to deliver for your money, so they try to let you throw an answer out, they agree with you, and you go away feeling like you've gained something (because you knew the answer to what they asked)
It’s just simple trying to make you think
This instructor makes it look so easy! Getting used to a red dot on a pistol takes time, I appreciate this instructor's patience and teaching manner.
I was in the process of signing up for Sig Saur Academy just before the lock down. Got the required extra background check, made hotel reservations etc. Then lockdown happened. I will be trying again soon. Glad I got to see this.
So timely...my wife and I just updated our mature eyes with Holosun 507Cs and there were multiple nuggets in this video offering for training with them. You have a strong inner self, as your persona allows you to shed vanity and let us learn with you. Oh, I will share something I discovered...in getting comfortable with using a red dot, I find that if I use more gripping pressure with my two lower fingers ( i.e.#4 & #5 pinky ) it pulls the red dot down right over my front sight. Making your good "better" and your better "best". Somewhere between ignorance & arrogance.
I wish gun companies would get together with red dot companies and say "ok, lets make all red-dots fit all new guns made".
Why so many different mounting systems ?
I agree, but it's a money making thing
Grey ghost has a slide cut that fits everything so it's not like it can't be done
The idea of slide-mounted red dot is still new, barely out of prototype phase. Any kind of common mount or plug for anything takes years to become standard, USB, OBD, 1913 rail, even power outlets, none of it just fell from the sky.
I really like how Slimline Glock MOS models can fit several micro red dots without needing any type of plate.
That's a small step in the right direction.
Happens throughout all technology it was the same in music before midi came along
Like you Colion, I have been reluctant to transition to red dots on pistols. This video shows the merit in them along with expert level training. Thank you to SIG and to you!
Listening, paying attention, and respecting the instructor, staying safe on the range. This is far better than any other twenty minute review video on red dots.
"You're a smart guy, what do you think?"
......crickets
He used to ask me questions like that a lot, always crickets.
My boss asks me and another department lead open-ended Q's like this often. My counterpart clams up, afraid to sound dumb by blurting something out, thus sounding timid in the process. I may be just as unsure of what precisely is being intended by the Q, but I will go ahead and plow through an answer and explain my rationale. My boss digs me having confidence to answer, and showing my thought process. Even if my interp of the Q was way off what he was going for, it still shows that I was paying attention to what he literally asked, and I can readily stand by my answers. He's not so down with crickets.
@@texasbeast239 Murphy is much the same way. Always using the questions as either an opportunity to affirm yourself or as a segue into an important point. Once I learned to respond with confidence quickly i learned much faster.
Sometimes it's hard to understand were some one is leading you. Colion wants a specific question he can give a specific answer too. When Colion said "in terms of what" the guy should have said in "in terms of accuracy relating to hold over and under at 3-5-7 yards"
Then his question becomes more obvious.
@@jackal1115 the question was pretty obvious from the jump
Stop playing with my emotions man...I’m researching this subject daily!! It’s a sign from the Gods!!
You are the prettiest black lady I've seen since Halle Berry😘
Dan, you better quit flirting with me. You’re into guns too. You might leave this post with a gf!
Petition to get Traca and Dan out on a date
Here, here! I say yes to a date! Gone head girl, lol! 😉 I can't wait to get my first gun; I've got my eye on a purple and gray Glock 42. It's small enough for me without a ridiculous kick. Patiently waiting...
@@quashawnmurphy1456, I'm so excited for you! Shooting is a new hobby for me, but I absolutely love it. It's addictive...kind of like tattoos!
Just mounted first Red Dot on my HK VP9. So glad to find this video with so much great information. This instructor is great at explaining things and has answered a lot of questions I had to start zeroing and using my red dot.
Never would have thought to try this! Grew up a long distance rifle shooter so always been a stickler about sight picture and holding just right on target and adjusting my hold for distance. Definitely going to try this next range day, thanks Colion
Great video. The parallax demonstration at the end was especially helpful. It conceptually makes sense but it's why I hadn't mounted the red dot yet. Now having seen a demonstration on why you don't need the dot perfectly centered to hit the target I'll have my EDC prepped for it
James R Squyres dude you not use a red dot in the air force? If you have you should know that they don’t care where the dot is after you zero. I mean you are not going to be a sniper on cod with it, but you will hit the target. Red dots are amazing and more useful than just being a dot in instead of a post. That’s the whole point, is not having to go nose to charging handle and everything that comes with irons.
James R Squyres
Can you reexplain the parallax still at the end?
I think I understand what he was trying to demonstrate but I don’t fully trust myself.
@@Flemdragon I have not used a Red Dot prior. In certain career fields you do and based upon certain situations (specific deployments etc). But the standard training is just Iron Sights on the M4 and M9.
@@HoodedxFreak sure. The demonstration was showing that once you have the red dot zeroed in the center of your optic that you'll hit the target where the dot is shown regardless of where that is within the optic relative to your sight picture.
So if the dot is at the top of your glass you'll still hit roughly on that dot. It's apparently not like iron sights where you have to line up multiple points for accuracy
James R Squyres
Thank you
I love how this channel tries to sell me an experience, not an item like a lot of TH-camrs I know. sub and like plus one
Only been shooting pistol red dot for like 8 months, and only a hair over 2k rounds. But what I can say is it makes it a lot easier to stretch your range out, speed at distances past like 15 yards are way better, also the biggest thing is practice drawing so you reduce inconsistency in the draw stroke. The learning curve is sharp so it will not offer advantages at first but the curve isn’t hard to overcome where it starts really helping. By sharp I mean it will be hard at first but once you start doing well you will improve fast.
Working the four corners on the glass. Glad to learn that drill from your channel
I don't know how I could have missed this video for 4 years. Kudos to the excellent instructor.
There are no sights on my Gucci glock build. It has been surprisingly fun to shoot with, but it's time to throw a red dot on there.
This is a great video. Thank you for overcoming your micro red-dotism, and being the hero we deserve.
Rocky Mountain Bear check out gun deals on Reddit. The RMR type 2 adjustable is on sale at primary arms right now for a good price.
@@mclarkson78 thank you.
@@RockyMountainBear don't stay there too long. That site is a wallet killer.
You should ask him out on a date next
I have Red Dots on some of my handguns & still use irons on some.
Not all of them are cut for optics & I don't want to deal with getting optics cuts & buying optics for every single one.
So don't feel like you have to convert everything you own.
One thing I have learned is you don't have to buy some $500 optic to get a high quality product.
Riton is an optic company that has really impressed me.
Even the relatively cheap Sig Romeo Zero has proven to be effective for me.
Holosuns are almost always a good bet, but prices on those have started to climb.
Came back to rewatch this. Going to get a Red Dot for my new Mark IV Lite. I know it has very little recoil but I was more concerned about the parallax and glad to know the dot doesnt have to be perfectly centered. Just trying to go plink and have some fun.
Watched this video 3x since it’s come out. Live it every time. That instructor is a true professional.
Great vid. Really helpful in contextualizing "negatives" that are often overblown.
Here ya go Colion, this is the type of info we need. Thanks brother
I stand with you Colion. Thank you for your work.
Have had a dot on My p10c for
2 years now. Since then 4 other pistols now have red dots. It's by far the best way to shoot a pistol
Did you get the p10c optics ready version? Does it come with suppressor height sights? Shot a p10c at the range and now want one for EDC. Absolutely loved the fit to my hand and trigger
T Bundy Where did you get that milled?
Optic ready? Or custom work?
Always learning.... LOVE SIG ACADEMY... love CN ...
Colion Noir, I installed a Romeo 1Pro on my X5 Legion and find it to be a great improvement. Really liked what this instructor talked about.
I remember those days of red dot 🔴 training wheels! You’ll love 💕 it! I promise! Oh and get a gas ⛽️ pedal! I’m tired of seeing that x5 damn near jump out of your hands. 😝 keep going big C! We love all that you do🤙🏽
Man I had my red dot zeroed but I didn’t realize the offset….thee most informative video I’ve seen…going back to the range tomorrow because I definitely went back to iron sites lol
This just crossed my feed today. Thank you for making this video. I recently bought a red-dot and a comprehensive examination of their application was sorely needed.
I was fine-tuning a little too far out and was being too picky! I figured it would be off more than that around the sight window! Great vid thanks for posting! "KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"!!
Always enjoy and learn more about pistols from Colion. I'm 73 XARMY PARATROPPER VN VET and been a hunter since I was 12. Definitely used to rifles and shotguns but I have about 9 pistols and not done buying more pistols. I live in the boonies and we own 27 acres and I have a permanent and a portable range. All but 2 of my pistols have dots and a couple have lasers
Good information, I got my 1st red that is going on my glock34
I'd recognize my pistol anywhere this video is amazing specifically because this is the xfive legion sig sauer p320 and I WANT a red dot on it so this video with the sight I want is pretty damn awesome of a find!!
I just bought the P320 X5 Legion too!! Cant wait to order my Romeo1 Pro and put it on.
@@mnkynuts44 did you get your Romeo pro 1? I just got an xfive legion and bought a Romeo pro 1 from opticsplanet.
Never cared for a red dot on a pistol, was old school, like myself, but maybe, just maybe, you got me rethinking it.
The biggest difference is when you are aiming at the target. You focus on the target vs the front sight for accuracy. It causes your situational awareness to be better.
James Burke Stated this below and I agree with him. Posting it here if you cant find it.
"Not only try it, but understand how it works too. Easy to say it’s junk if you don’t understand the concept of single focal point shooting. Now I’m saying in terms of true defensive use in the real world and not just punching paper. I’m a cop and I’ve shot for 24 years, I’m 45 years old. I thought an RDS was a gimmick. I have been proven wrong. Being able to keep your eyes focused on the threat with your dot on target is massive compared to the old dance of look at bad guy, look at front sight, look at bad guy, back and forth. Now I’ve trained with many thousands of rounds down range. There is a learning curve. But once you reach a level of proficiency, you will impress yourself with what you can do" - James Burke
Instructors stance and arm extension is weird looking, but he gets it done. Learned a lot from this video, thanks.
TheChubbyKid it’s the “tactical” way ;)
Thank you for the video. Just put a red dot on one of my pistols and this was very informative.
Nice video. Good instructor. Stay safe. 👍
Good stuff man, thanks for this I just bought my VP9 L with a Holo sun and this has answered a lot of my questions. Thanks for the great content and keep up the fight. Thanks again.
Great video, Colion, thanks. Colin looks like a good teacher.
Timely too cause I'm waiting for my P229 to come back with its slide cut, hopefully just a few more weeks woot. 👌🥳
I really like this Colin Murphy. Never heard of him before. Very straight to the point USEFUL info. Good instruction for combat effective shooting without muddying the brain with semantics and info it doesn't need.
Learned and re-learned a lot here. Bravo.
He's awesome. I learned from him for about to years and this is what he is like on any subject. Makes it simple, easy to learn and sets you up to take on complex subjects later on.
Just got my first pistol with a Red Dot. I did pretty good with it at the range but did notice I was trying to "aim" and be more precise with it toward the end of the day. This video explained a lot. Thanks
Very smart and helpful information.
Glad you are getting some training Colion
I have watched ALOT of instructors over the years and this guy is phenomenal. I would 10/10 take a class with him.
He’s great
The instructor knows a thing or two!! Respect!
Glad to see you're taking the time to work on the red dot. I need to do this too.
Great video! Best one I've seen on the subject. I've been hesitating putting a red dot on any of my pistols. Now I understand better how they work and how to use them. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but this video did it for me! Thanks!
This dude knows his stuff. I get a kick out of people's worry of parallax even on their rifles. Theyre talking like every time you face a threat you'll be at a bench. Your mistakes will make a FAR bigger group difference than any lack of parallax.
Collin your an inspiration I thank you for everything you do for the 2nd amendment I have ordered two I will not comply shirts and masks from you GOD bless you and everyone at sig I too am a legion member!
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This instructor reminds me of when I was training with the group guys in the army good shit
I know what my tax return is going to,,a red dot 🤷🏻♂️
Jackson yep already ordered me one
Same here 😂😂😂
Ooh fun!
Same here✌️
You should skip the red dot and get training.
This is helpful as I'm about to switch to a red dot. Thanks!
Red dots are amazing. First one I used was a cheap $20 one on my daughters airsoft rifle…. When I realized I can easily hit a quarter at 25yards. I bought a cheap $25 unit for my AR pistol. So easy to make fast and accurate hits.
Good info and well-presented. I don't recall seeing anything about the POI change at 25 yards when the zero is at 15 yards, which would have been useful info. Hope to see more like this.
Doing very well as a student, Colion. Colin is a good instructor, good techniques. 2A forever!
This is a great instructional video, I learned so much in such a short time it's hard to get this kind of knowledge. Thank you for posting this, great instructor! He's very intentive on safety very aware of his surrounding. Please make more videos! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 2A because they are taking 1A away. God bless America.
You will need to sight-in your red dot sight. If you aren't very good at the range, using a laser bore sight is the way to go. It is very easy to line up the red dot with the laser dot coming out of your barrel. Great video and good instruction, BTW.
I have a red dot on my 22charger but now have the Romeo Zero on my Glock17...this has been a very informnative video on dot placement in the window! Thanks guys for the gouge!!!
Thank you for this content. I have done some training with a group that teaches Marine handgun trying course with a borrowed G19 so I didn’t have to use my G26 for 500 rounds. I now carry with a red dot. Need to go back and do it again.
Went to Freedom Days in Phoenix. Sigs crew/instrictors were awesome! I may have talked with Colin's instructor there. He was awesome.
Learning has occurred thanks for sharing. Getting ready to put RMRs on my M17 and FNX-45 Tactical. Took away some of my anxiety and questions i appreciate it.
The best teachers are straight forward and keep things realistic. Thanks for a good video..
Mr. Noir, I love the info you keep giving us. Please do not ever stop. I honestly hope to meet you some day so I can shake your hand Sir.
AWSOME VIDEO, WE NEED MORE INSTRUCTORS LIKE THIS GENTELMAN .PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, THANK YOU SIR.GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!
I can't begin to tell you how much respect i have for you. Thank you for all your great videos and my God bless you and watch over you.
So basically as long as the target (point of aim) is visible through the glass (up to a certain distance), you’re going to make impact
David Lucas i like his videos but red dots are made out to be hard to use. Its nonsense its probably the easiest thing ever especially to get on target its almost like the guys who have it wanna make like they pros mean while it will improve your shooting a 100 times with minimum effort.
Not if you have bad fundamentals.
I love my dots on my glocks.... good video, can always learn somethin from someone
What’s badass is to watch his trigger finger it’s reset to the wall so quick ,badass !
Huh! Very informative, I just put an RMR on my FN 509 and I’ve been trying to figure it out and get use to it and this video has a bunch of good tips. Thank you.
How do you like the FN compared to some other handguns?
@@berettaxd7566
The FN is my favorite. I’ve tried the Sig M18 with the Deltapoint, the M&P 2.0 with the RMR I’ve tried G19 and PPQ , and I keep going back to the FN… it just works better for me, it feels more natural. I hope that helps.
This guy is a fantastic instructor. No hokey shit or gungho garbage. Just do and you do with perfect explanation.
Just started shooting pistols with red dots and this video was very helpful.Keep up the great work Buddy!!!
On that sig to check for round in chamber, don’t rack the slide, turn gun 90 degrees with ejection port facing up and you can see the round at the back of the ejection port. From a uspsa shooter
1:55 bruh that hat brim comes lower than your red dot, how tf you seeing that dot lol
Love this bro. I love that there are people standing up for our second amendment rights. God bless you my brother.
New Arizona anti gun laws just like NY state: legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1625/id/2119093
Outstanding, great instructor.
Took a class with Instructor Murphy at Sig Academy. He’s and excellent instructor and a great guy.
Join the dark side. It's way more tactical down here. It's also literally dark down here, so bring thermals or a light.
Kassatsu the only down side is it will get expensive...because once you put a dot on one of your handguns you will want a dot on ALL your handguns. It’s the way to go imho.
_ Red oh gosh, that is exactly what I’m afraid of, especially since I usually always buy in doubles, 1 to EDC and one to “practice” with. $$$$$$$
Did you say a light? NO POORS ALLOWED IN THE TACTICS DUNGEON
Or use flares, Aim it high and let it light up!
_ Red
I appreciate your opinion but getting too hung up on technology is a mistake. More to go wrong. Red dots are nice but for concealed carry defensive purposes their usefulness is negligible.
Brother is rocking those old school M-Frames.
That was awesome! Thank you for sharing your lessons! I will take this and use it in my training and personal range day.
Keep America Tactical Brother. Thank You.
Very helpful, thanks for sharing Colton.
Just started shooting a dot in the past month and this video answered so many of my questions - thank you!!!
Thanks Colion, I dont watch often, but I love it when I do!
Amazing love the way that guy teaches would pay for your services 💯
I put a red dot on my rifle, and before I left the range that first time, I was 100% comfortable using it. I put a red dot on my pistol, and it’s taking some getting use to.
that’s because a pistol is 100X harder to shoot than a rifle and takes a lot more training and practice to become proficient with. It’s just the physics of a 6 or 7 whatever lb rifle with 4 points of contact to your body vs a handgun held with only your hands and extended away from your body. Don’t beat yourself up, it will come with time , proper practice and round count
New to pistol dots and this helped alot
Your awesome man fr no filter you tell it how it is and a lot of your video are funny too.. keep it up man one of the best to do what you do and you deserve everything that comes your way.. I know you’ll never end up seeing this cause of how large your following but I myself thank you, and I believe I’m speaking for most of the people here watching this when I (we) thank you for all the work to put out all these videos.. thanks and keep it up dawg
Many blessings
I like that bright yellow holster
That looked fun!
Love the shooting distances.
Colion you are the man brother!!!!!
Keep making the videos man keep the fight strong. You have with you than against you. WNC.