Fazua Ebike System Review - Lightweight Ebike Motor, Battery, Displays
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Fazua launched a software update for their ebike mid-drive system recently called Black Pepper which improves motor power output and maximum cadence support. I got to check it out on a Trek E-Caliber electric mountain bike and put this shorter focused video together to highlight some of the upgrades and show its performance.
Motor: Fazua Evation
Software: Black Pepper
Power output: 300 to 450 watts
Torque output: 55 newton meters
Battery capacity: 252 watt hours (36 volt 7 amp hours)
Optional: Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) for GPS and heart rate monitors
Optional: iOS and Android smartphone app (Fazua Rider)
Weight: 2.88lb bottom bracket transmission, 4.2lb empty drivepack motor, 3.2lb battery pack, 7.4lb combined drivepack (with battery inserted), 1.2lb optional empty downtube container
Learn more at the official Fazua website: fazua.com/ and official store: shop.fazua.com/ and check out the EBR Fazua ebike forums: electricbikereview.com/forums...
0:00 Introduction
0:17 List of companies using Fazua drive system
0:40 Bottom bracket transmission
1:26 Drivepack (motor and battery)
1:56 Optional hollow downtube cover
2:39 Battery pack capacity (36v x 7ah, 252wh)
3:18 Additional batteries and bag options
3:41 Battery charging and charger details
4:39 Improvement ideas, comparison to Specialized SL
5:43 Mounting the battery and drivepack
6:28 Black Pepper software update for Fazua
7:24 Control panel remote options (b, fX, bX)
9:46 Bluetooth devices and smartphone app
11:21 Motor controller signals (speed, cadence, torque)
11:58 Riding shots, motor closeups and third person
13:02 Conclusion and resources - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
about the lock & unlock , not a problem because u can ride without locking , battery stay very stable secure . I did many hrs down hill & up & jump no problem in inlock . Software updated to black pepper make the system out preform specialized Sl in climbing & quietness .
I own a Bulls WF SL at 38Lbs &
Sweet! Thanks for the hands-on comparison feedback here Mole. I also heard that the newer Fazua downtube batteries can be powered on without unlocking the frame? I haven't seen it in person yet though.
@@ElectricBikeReview This is correct, I have the new version and it is powered up with the remote.
I have had over the years since E bikes have been in existence, 9 E bikes of all different types, Front Hub motors, rear Hub motors, motors in the bottom bracket, motors attached to the bottom bracket, also batteries located on rear racks, on the down tube, on the seat tube and at the rear of it. I have had all different brands of motor and battery such as Bafang, Toshiba, Bosch, Impulse, Shimano along with batteries from all the main manufacturers, In the last 20 years I have had 52 bikes in total and the only E bike that I can say I feel completely at home on is my new Focus Paralane 9.9 with the Fazua drive.
Anyone who buys an E bike thinking that it is going to be a motor bike instead of a bicycle is misguided. The idea is to have a bicycle for exercise and to have enough extra power for assistance when required, people who complain about not enough power or range are concentrating on the wrong things. My Fazua unit has only 250Wh and 60Nm but on regular rides that takes me 120km. My Focus Paralane 9.9 E bike weighs just 12.5kg the best power to weight ratio bike on the market. It is the best system on the market.
Mr Lukes - I have just bought a Pinarello Nytro Feb 2022 which uses the new fazua Ride 50 battery. Would an older fazua battery work as a spare on this new bike? Would the bike computer bit recognise the old fazua system ? no one dares say !!
Great video! I haven't gotten to experience the Fazua yet, this has been super helpful for me to start getting familiar with it :)
I had the Fazua Evation system on my bike for 3 years. Loved it! However, I left my bike out one night and there was a heavy downpour. Next day, the system would not turn on. Ran the diagnostics and sent in to Fazua. They said, your battery is ruined. I was mad that they would not replace it (it was a year out of warranty), and they only said, it's got some rating for moisture exposure whose number I can't remember and that should not have happened. Well, it did happen! I'm sorely disappointed. And this happened when my bike was upright, not moving. What would have happened had I been riding in equally drenched conditions!?
great video, as usual! this is a very interesting concept. 65nm is no joke - not a bolt of lightning, but what do you expect for the voltage? volts = speed, amps = torque.
Nice details
Interesting stuff, thanks.
Sure thing, I'm glad you found it interesting!
Does this one has longer range or more power than the old version?
Looks like you could pull the system partially out of the down tube and then pull the battery out and stick the rest right back in to charge it. Still a bit more work but better than risking damaging the motor if it should fall off a table or something. Waiting to receive my discontinued Bulls Wildflow with this system from my local dealer now.
Please review the ancheer sunshine. its the orange one(name wasn't clear on website i just picked it up through research) i currently own it and i want to compare it to others im considering buying, but its not heavily reviewed, and yours are the best!
Hi! I would love to see a review of the daymak road warrior, there is no video content about it othere than the official trailer on TH-cam, so it would be nice to see a review on it!
Is it possible to unlock the engine to get speed above 32 mph?
We wanna know what's the maximum speed ?
My bike does not work.i have new battery and new street drive. Can you let me some link how to trouble shoot.
Could you please give me some information about the service of Fazua ? how does it work ? warranty ?
Thank you 😊
You're welcome Kim!
Thank you so much for the thrall review, with that I have a question for you. I have a Trek Domane + ALR it has the same motor, how accurate is the power meter? While using the wahoo element bolt connected to the blooth remote, after the ride it shows me an 80watts average and 475 watts max. Also, the cadence shows 75 average and 220 max. Those numbers do not make sense to me especially the MAX figures. What are your thoughts?
I'm considering getting an ALR+ so was wondering what you think about it? Have you had any problems and does the Fazua system work well for you?
@@thedelaminator No no issues whatsoever, I would highly suggest Trek Domane ALR+.
I was wondering how hard is the software update itself?
Got to be your best review. It should be explained that very high end free hubs normally make a lot of noise like that because of greater pawl engagement.
I sure wish more companies would build with power to weight in mind. I'd also like to see more support for the idea of back-up batteries. People could swap batteries for most of their daily rides, extending battery life. Then they could Carry or connect the extra capacity on the rare occasion they need it. It's just more efficient in every way.
fazua or bosch for climbing?
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Thanks! Yeah, I wear my helmet almost all the time. Just not here when speaking and not riding :)
Here in the UK Boardman cycles use the Fazua system.
First time ive heard of it.
@@denseljosephs9500 Halfords are currently selling them for approx £2100.
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Where is the USB C port located? to update the software
There's a port under a weather cover-cap, in the 'drive-pack' tube.
It's not USB-C, maybe even USB "Mini". Haven't gone there recently; once I got my power profiles done for the three levels, I have left it sealed, and, per my Local bike shop advice, haven't tried to update any core profiles, in the mode of "Ain't broke? Don't futz with it."
WTF, OMG! You're not wearing a helmet. Wait! Is that your real hair!? (laughing) ...Yes, the content of this video is good as well; that's what we here for right😉 🙃😁
Yeah, that's my real hair. I think I had just cleaned it but not put anything in so it gets a little poofy :D I may cut it soon since it can get hot and the helmet just makes it look messy too. Fun to try for a while though ;)
Chipp bro.. FunSpeed
After Porsche purchased this brand, they seem to have stopped making major modifications and software releases. I think they've completely switched to new ideas. I got e-Gravel Fazua 50 and it feels like very overpriced for marginal gains.
Por qué no se traduce al español ?
Very quirky battery setup 🤔
Meu sonho é ganhar uma bicicleta dessa
Didnt see much of the bike mostly U😳
HOW DO YOU CHARGE THE BATTERY OFF THE FRAME. YOU MENTION THIS AT 3.48 ON THE VIDEO. I CAN NOT SEE HOW I CAN ACCESS THE CHARGING PORT WITHOUT REMOVING THE BATTERY FROM THE FRAME
You have to remove the battery and drive unit to charge. It cannot be charged without removing it. removing it is difficult and cumbersome and you need the key. Vey inconvenient.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
Is it possible to unlock the limit 25 km/h in EU?
Possible via special software but not legal on public roads obviously.
@@Alexander-kx7ru So who makes this special software ? My dealer thought it was not possible to unlock. I have seen chips for other motors but so far not the Fazua.
Ha, imagine getting to the midpoint of a ride with a group and pulling out an 18" sub sandwich from your frame!
Omg you are not wearing your helmet anymore !:-)
Maybe just this time, I think I skipped it because I knew I wasn't going for a ride... but then my long hair was getting in my face! Lol, time for a headband maybe. Hope you're well Bruno :)
@@ElectricBikeReview thanks. All good. The covid crisis has made biking a normal daily thing again and I am glad to see so many electric bikes in the streets in Europe. On my side, I am still looking for small and foldable electrical bikes as I am afraid of theft.
Of all the names you could pick for a new motor, *Fazua is a crummy name*. IMHO, Bosch has been beaten yet for its complete trouble-free design and power it makes.
Got to disagree. Constant dealer only upgrades and complaints across all boards about service suggest they are being introduced without enough research. Not as bad as Shimano, but still...
@@MHH3180 Court's frequent guest, Sam (owned electric bicycle center) said he had fewest returns on Bosch - they didn't break. Last thing I want to deal with is taking an ebike to shop or electrical breaking on the road requiring unexpectedly lugging a 60lb dead ebike home
@forbinColosus Sam sold factory bikes mostly with integrated motors. Of those, you had, at the time, ouch, Brose, Shimano and Daddo (sp). Almost no one uses Daddo under their name. Brose was new and comparing Shimano to Bosch is like comparing criminals; which is worse? You have to haul that absurdly overweight 60# bike to the dealer for software updates. All these have cutting edge tech, but they should introduce them after the bugs are worked out, perhaps in racing. I am no longer a fan of Bafang and their high wattage units, but their legendary reliability, going back to their kit roots, is why they remain #1.
I do not mean to demonize Shimano or Bosch, but I tire of the unearned and unending, probably race based, praise as if they aren't having serious issues. I believe, in time, Bosch will be The Campagnolo of motors and Shimano, well the Shimano. They just aren't there yet.
@@ForbinColossus Dapu has a better reputation. Bafang as well, though admittedly not as technically advanced. He cannot repair his Bosch motors. They have to be sent in for service. Last thing I want is to wait six weeks for a repair or replacement.
Bosch and Brose I think have refined tech originally meant for EPAS (electric power assist steering, automotive stuff) to make their bike e-motors. Fazua (wherever the name came from) started in 2014 as a cycle-centric concept:
What if? What if we made an e-bike you can rip most of the "e" out of?
It's a concept they've backed away from, realizing most folks who want/need a motor won't care about ever ditching the assist system and weight.
The biggest efficiency loss in the early Fazua system is the crankset transmission.
Every turn in a power path reduces efficiency.
I imagine the Ride 60 has a straighter power path.
Having more than one battery is always great, But only worth it if you intend to use the second one often because it's going to degrade as soon as it's activated in your possession and it'll be a waste of a pricey piece of tech if it spends a lot of time stored away.
I will pass this joke e bike to many manufacturer specialized parts
That was totally, unexpectedly distracting.
Get a hair cut ya hippie !! LOL.
Yeah, I felt that way watching it too, long unkept hair (though it was clean, just gets frizzy if I don't put something in it.
TMI
Very expensive toy to show off...and to ride as fast as a snail 😎
Not so much a toy for us retired roadies who want to keep up.
Underpowered unit with limited appeal for most
No way..Too pricey...Not enough power....That's for people who care about name brands, and fitting into the throw away their money culture...I doubt whether this would be a transportation option to stop poisoning the planet..Instead A toy that makes our issues worse..But then again, what do I know....
Seems a bit dramatic. If anything, packaging the batteries and motor together greatly improves repairability, upgradability, and the sustainability of the bike as a whole.
@@frumpd63 Well when you work with scientists in the arctic, (in a support role) and truly understand what the world is facing, then you could judge how dramatic I'm being..For example 12 million people have been displaced in the last few months..In 23 days in indonesia there were 185 disasters..Australia was on fire a year ago, the American west was on fire a few months ago..America had 23 events over a billion dollars each in damage in 2020..We've destroyed over 70% of life on earth since 1970..We are subject to the same laws of nature as everything else, destroying nature is a problem for continued existence..I believe what everybody I work with believes, our days are numbered, and it's not a big number, no matter what we do..Not 2100..Or ..2050..But soon...Sorry if you were sleeping..Ignorance truly is bliss...
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Just ask the dinosaurs if THEY ever thought they were in control of what was happening around them. 'Save a dinosaur, ride an e-bike!'
@@woodsculptor675 Loophole culture...Dillon Thomson....LOL...Right ?.....
@@woodsculptor675 I've got the camp scrambler and the Himiway....
Having to remove the battery every time to charge is really frustrating. Why not a charging port on the side? Getting the drive unit out is very hard. It's very heavy. You can chop your fingers in teh process. I cut my fingers several times. putting it back on is even harder. Also you need the key to take the battery out so you can charge. Also I have a clicking sound while charging. You can plug in for days and still not finish charging as the light indicates. Software update and diagnostics is even harder. I am disappointed with Fazua. Don't buy this
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video is fine. but please ,please try and find your man voice. . I found your Nelly /fem voice very nerving . other the than that