How To Save Your VP44 With A FASS | Why Your 24v 2nd Cummins Needs A Lift Pump
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- If you own or want to own a 24v 2nd gen you’ve likely heard about VP44 injection pump failures, but the pump failing is just a symptom of the actual issue- THE LIFT PUMP! In this video I discuss the solutions to future proof your 24v 2nd gen VP44 truck to prevent injection pump failure with a new lift pump. More specifically I travel down to Maximum Diesels in Hemet California to install a new Fass lift pump on my truck. Follow along as I explain why you need a lift pump upgrade, show the install, and discuss the 24 valve Cummins fuel system!
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What is the steering setup you have? Can you do a video on that!
Great job on this! Thorough explanation of all the options, and excellent cinematography as always.
How do I know which fass fuel system i should get could i get the high pressure ones on a stock truck that i plan on upgrading in the future
One of the two girls right here 🙋♀️ I’ve commented on some of your Instagram posts and I’ll say it here again, that truck has never seen a grain of salt! The condition that thing is in is amazing and damn near unheard of where I live (Alberta)
Thank you and yeah it’s pretty crazy! Doing my best to keep it just as clean!
Gorgeous truck. Sooo spotless
lol, 2nd girl here and I had similar thought. I legit paused the vid because my brain was like “what year is this video from…” because my truck sure as sht does not look like that 😍😂
Don't forget about Fleece Powerflo. They have a 2nd gen in-tank pump that replaces the stock filter housing with a block that uses a Donaldson 4 micron filter.
Thats the one I chose. However I didn't use the single Donaldson filter setup. I chose to install the duel Cat/Baldwin setup.
The dual is definitely the way to go!
@@stephenwright6234 just out of curiosity what are seeing for fuel psi at idle, cruising, and WOT? I'm at ~16 idle(a little more if coasting), 15.5 cruising, and 15 WOT.
My dad uses that one on his 2nd gen
@@ChaosViper67 my psi is at 20/25 as soon as my ignition is turned on. Is that too much psi & would it be a component to my warm start issue?
Dude that interior is like mint... absolutely insane
Looking into buying a 2nd gen. Glad I ran into your vids. Super clean truck
The titanium is what I installed on mine. Works great! Beautiful truck!
Another one of the girls here and thank you for making this video! I recently lost my unicorn 03 5,9l 6 speed manual due to being hit head on while hauling horses (we all somehow walked away, highly recommend ranch hand bumpers). My 03 already had in the intank pump conversion with air dog filters and the replacement project 03 truck I just got still has the block mounted pump. Thank you for explaining this well as it was sending me down the rabbit hole to figure out and will be ordering the fass (w/o intank pump) asap.
Awesome video as usual 👍🏻👌🏻
Thanks for always watching!
FASS cured my acceleration lag LAG and increase my miles per gallon from 9 miles per gallon to 17 miles to the gallon which is the first time since I’ve owned a truck in over 10 years I have never seen it go beyond 11 miles per gallon. FASS is without a doubt the cure-all Replacing the stock lift pump was the best thing I had ever done next to marry my wife and having my daughter
Very clean truck!
Damn bro that such a clean truck!
It’s pretty crazy!
3rd option is to put the factory carter type pump back where you mounted that FASS . I did that over 20 years ago , it supported 416 RWHP thru the stock lines with just the banjo bolts eliminated . I have a Fass DDRP and their extension wiring kit that's going on my current 98 24v , it'll be back at the tank with my same 416RWHP combination from my old 2000 ram. One note the VP will actually draw fuel from the tank ... but it's not recommended ... , I drove my truck one evening after working on the fuel system and forgot to connect the harness back up , I drove 5 miles round trip the the gas station with it disconnected ...Good video , thanks.
Very cool video bud, I am very much enjoying all your 2nd gen content. Would you mine sharing how you wired the pump differently than how the manufacture instructions say.
Yes please
looks like i’ll be getting a fass system when i get my 3rd gen
Love that pickup! Mine just turned 200,000 and never a VP issue have a air dog lift pup. Great job love the videos.
That’s exactly why you want a lift pump! 👌
I would get rid of that air dog
@@Cumminsdaddy why
1:43 that's a good looking dually in the background!!
Looks just like mine
Clean truck man. Did the FASS system to my 01 as well. I need to research how to wire it to the factory wiring. Do not like the hot key on all the time set up.
Your 3rd gens badass so I had to get one
Glad I could be a bad influence!
The FASS is great! I've had mine for maybe 14 yrs with very few problems. 2 things I've changed is made new stainless steel mounting brackets and bolts, and new fuel line. I put in 1/2 inch stainless braided from tank to vp44. Also made a stainless return port on the filler neck. I would like to change the power source to key on power, because now it waits to run until the "wait to start" light goes off, which is annoying.
My son just put one in and now he said he doesn’t know where the add on fuse goes. I believe he said he can start it but can’t shut it off?? Any ideas
You should do fabricated bumpers they make the truck look soooooo good!!!!
the in-tank upgrade pumps are easy to add universal filter heads and fleetguard (OEM cummins brand) filters to. Fleedgaurd's nano-net is the only 100% efficiency filter on the market and the media material is patented by cummins (so you wont find it anywhere else besides fleetguard products). the in-tank pumps are the best solution
I have a 2001 24 valve set up nice with a few mild upgrades in turbo, injectors, intake, and big pipe which sounds great and runs fantastic. I am getting ready to re-paint and go with a flatbed , FASS , rear springs etc. and possibly new carpet. Although I love the sounds it makes sometimes the hollow drone from bad acoustics in the cab gets a little annoying.
Do you have any thoughts on sound deadening underlayment and in door panels etc.?
Love the video! Great info! Where exactly did you connect your triggering wire to? I’m trying to do the same thing on mine but I can’t seem to find a 12v like that only comes on when the truck powers up.
Had the same problem with mine. Put one in the tank thinking that would solve the problem. It's not the vibration, it's the little pump itself. The VP44 requires at least 18 psi fuel pressure to stay cool and lubricated. The little factory modular pump only puts out at the most 8 psi pressure. Only adequate enough to baby drive, but eventually will fail. It's killing the VP right off the bat. Put a fass 150 pump on the frame next to the tank and no more problems.
Actually it's at least 14psi is ideal for 100% cooling and lubrication as that's when the overflow valve opens. Any more than that is just a cherry on top and more than 20psi can make the seals fail.
Thanks for the video. Beautiful truck. FASS lifts are love. Proud to be 1 of those 2 females watching your videos. hahahahaha.
I appreciate the support! I always laugh when TH-cam shows me the analytics and it 99.99% male 😂
Man you sure find some clean trucks😂
The only complaint I have for you is that you don’t make enough videos haha, I’ve already watched all of yours
Doing my best to get back on the once a week video uploads! Shoot me a message on IG if you ever have a video idea!
Love your content!!! Can you tell me how you ended up wiring your pump so it won't be on when the key is turned on???
Everything you did to this truck . I bought a band new 2001 just like the one you have ! Have and neve had any problems with the stock equipment on it......! Dove it just the way it was years ! And alot of miles and alot of work got done.....! So don't need to change anything on this trucks..............!
Any benefit to the fass on a 12 valve other than the water separator?
I have the lift pump retrofitted in the tank. Even though it doesn't do the fuel filtration, will it still deliver adequate fuel to the vp44?
Hey bro I need help ! 2001 ram 2500 where do I plug the fass fuse at
Whats up dude, is an aftermarket lift pump install a good idea for smaller diesel engine with an injection pump that draws fuel from tank by itself? (A pickup without any lift pump) Interested to know. Btw my pickup truck is as old as me now (20). A toyota hilux
I have been stranded by 2 different raptor pumps, they are definitely garbage. I was looking at this fast system. You said you hooked the pump to the stock power source fuse, but from what I have researched and experienced, the pump is controlled directly from the computer. There is no fuse.am I missing something here thx
I just installed this with the regular wiring and have no power to lift pump?
Just out of curiosity, what’s the go to website for second gen rams in terms of parts and accessories? I’m gonna buy one in a couple days and wanted to know a reliable website
There's one option that I think trumps all, Dodge Ram 5.9L GDP Fuel Boss Mechanical.
I haven't gotten it yet but it's belt driven. Thoughts?
I was on the phone the other day with fass and they said you can’t run your fuel return to the stock return on the sending unit cause the return isn’t big enough and you’ll end up burning up your fass system.
What was the labour price? Would like to know thanks
Which kit did you buy
What offset are those wheels? I’m in love with that setup, so sad I can’t get a pair of those discontinued wheels
These are 4.5” backspace which is about -12 offset!
What VP44 would you recommend replacing yours if it were to go out looking to replace mine not sure where to buy it from
What’s the advantages of having a sump?
How much does something like this run for I have a 24 valve cummins 98
which fass pump did you install ?
So do I need one on an 04.5?
Good vid. Pump sounds a bit loud. Any quieter pumps ?
It is absolutely silent unless you stick a mic next to it like I did. Hands down the quietest pump I’ve used.
I’ve been watching the channel for about 2 or 3 months now and it’s by far one of the best on TH-cam for honest diesel stuff, but I have a question and maybe you could help me idk.. I have a 18 2500 Cummins it’s only got 20k miles and I don’t daily driver it bc I have a 97 NA Miata, but I was offered to trade my truck for a 66 nova ss with a built motor and transmission and it’s already got nitrous but I was wondering if it would even be a good trade since the market for trucks is always high on diesel with everything the way it is right now they are predicting the prices for new and used won’t be coming back down any time soon. So would it be possible to get a decent older diesel truck to replace the one I’m getting rid of to get the nova ? Or would I just be better off to keep mine and keep on building it up
It just comes down to your gut feeling and personal preference! Thankfully the Nova and Cummins are both niche vehicles with a good re-sale market, but I'd personally keep the diesel for the sake of practicality!
@@JustDiesels I’m wanting to overland and off-road, would it be possible to do that with my 4th gen or should I look into a jeep or power wagon or something older ?
How did you modify the harness to have the pump run for only like 3 seconds or whatever the stock pump does. I’m having the same issue with my truck it’s just an annoyance.
I've got the same question, for me having it running the whole time while it is keyed on is giving my VP44 too much fuel pressure and causing a hard start issue while hot. if you found a solution to the modified harness please let me know!!! thanks!!
You need to run the return neck with the bigger return hole
I've never had this issue but I wish someone had an answer for the horrible steering issues for 2nd Gen trucks. My truck is a low mileage mint, I mean MINT 99 Cummins 2500. I've upgraded the steering to 3rd Gen and everything is new... very expensive, still have to keep both hands tight on the wheel driving on the freeway 😔
There's plenty of good solutions! Give this video a watch: th-cam.com/video/I52Q-RL-w8w/w-d-xo.html
I didn't catch what size lift pump this is a 100 or 150
I have a 99 24 valve , 2wd if you want to do any video with it , your welcome 🤝🏼👍🏼
Let’s get a truck meet for Ventura County just for dodge trucks
Any upgrades that I should be looking into to a 03 5.9 cummins??? Its my first diesel any advice
Always take care of maintenance and fluids first, but a fass with quality fuel filters is a HUGE deal on the 3rd gen common rails. I highly recommend one!
Are you on 35x12.50x18’s? That wheel and tire combo is spotless.
Those are 35/12.5/17 on a old school walker evans wheel!
@@JustDiesels I’ve got a silver 2nd gen and I’m thinking those walkers would look awesome on it. I’m on 35x12.50x18’s now and I need more tire
The old school ones like these are tough to find unless you’re okay with the newer black finish!
@@JustDiesels What lift is on that truck? Great content as always!
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So what about mud and yuk getting all over it since it is right there on the bottom?
It's totally sealed and doesn't mind getting a bath in mud!
Throw some CAT filters on next filter change.
That’s the plan and exactly what I have on my third gen!
What gauges do you have on your pillar? Also how much did it cost for fass pump and install? I have a 2001 dodge 2500 5.9 as well
What kind of options do they have for 7.3 powerstroke??
Tons! They basically have pumps for every application! Those trucks don’t have the injection pump starvation issues that the VP44 Cummins trucks do though.
Why take off silencer ring? How is new exhaust?
Always sounds more fun with the silencer ring! Loving the new exhaust. It’s loud, but sounds fantastic. Perfect for a fun truck but too loud for something you’re towing with heavily or daily driving.
What did you do to the harness to make it plug into the stock plug so it functions like stock?
Just power it off the normal lift pump fuse!
The single red wire that they tell you to tap into the fuse panel? Just attach it to the yellow wire on the stock pump plug?
49 minutes early gang let’s go.
Thank you for supporting!!
I have an 07 5.9. Thinking about FASS system for it. What Cat filters are you running on your 3rd gen?
About to do a video on that topic in the coming weeks! Stay tuned! Until then, a Cat 1R-0750 filter spins right on!
@@JustDiesels Awesome, thank you!
So where is the video of how to install it?
I have an 2002 and am in the process of installing a FASS lift pump. What have not found is a clean way to delete the factory filter. Does anyone have any Ideas?
Let me know when you figure it out!
can't you just throw a block off plate on it and bypass it completely???
How do you feel about airdog
I’ve personally always run Fass, but honestly they make a solid product too. The end takeaway here is to just replace the factory 24v lift pump no matter what brand you choose to use haha.
What camera do you use to film 🎥
Sony A7riii with Sony lenses!
Nice did you do a sump also? Couldnt tell
Nope! No need to on this truck.
@@JustDiesels you should notice difference power wise jus way the truck feels with that lift pump got same one on mine
How come everyone's afraid of telling how much they spent on a truck or the upgrades ? I purchased a one owner '01 3500 Dodge Ram 5.9 6 speed manual trans 4x4 dually out the door $15,000 never in the salt and snow and we are in Northeast Ohio 115k miles extenda cab 4 door in 2016.Banks exhaust but everthing else is stock and staying that way except for the trashed out dash. Been offered many times 25k but you can't touch a comparable new truck equipped like tthis one for less than $ 70k. I will not drive it in the snow and salt because these trucks start to rot out in 3 years in the rust belt.
I’m surprised you went with fass instead of
air dog
Everyone has their preference between the two! I’ve always liked Fass better.
🤣🤣joke air dog
@@Cumminsdaddy I personally seen and had failure with fass more then airdog
Do you have 3.55 gears if you do how does it do with 35s
It’s perfect! Right at the perfect highway RPM.
@@JustDiesels I run 33s with 3.55s and it doesn't even know there on there but I didn't know if 35s was to much
Did you do this to the third gen also?
Yep! Except on that truck it’s more about having added filtration to protect the injectors so I have a cat 2 micron fuel filter and 5 micron baldwin water separator mounted on the fass.
Nice! Thanks for the reply ur videos are awesome keep em coming!
3rd girl here
Any reason why you went with Fass over AirDog or maybe any other brand?
I’ve always had good luck with Fass! The unit on my third gen has 120k trouble free miles!
Couldn’t you just relocate the lift pump?
I bought a fass relocation kit to move the ddrp lift pump from the engine to the frame and it's working great. Time will tell though.
Raptor
part number??
What about third gen 's .
Never mind.
Highly recommend! I have one on my third gen!
Fass is complete garbage. The ddrp failed after only a few months on with a stock truck. Wouldn’t not warranty it out either. Never would use them again. Just beware it may fail on you.
I’ve got over 120K on the other Fass unit I have with zero issues. I have nothing bad to say about them, but everyone has their brand preference!
@@JustDiesels I’m stock. Will never bother with them again but good to hear you have had good luck.
I’m in northern cali. Would you say Maximum Diesel is worth the drive for their service, knowledge and reputation?
Probably not from Nor Cal as there’s lots of good shops in between, but in So Cal they’re my go to shop after visiting a bunch.
What the block #? On your truck
I have very clean truck just buy here
On the lake Tahoe are
2002 56 block nv 5600
131 thousand miles
Happy to share pictures with you
It is 3500
Any upgrades that I should be looking into to a 03 5.9 cummins??? Its my first diesel any advice
I’d say start with maintenance and then the next most important thing is the fuel system. The common rail Cummins trucks really like quality filtration, so a Fass is worth doing!