Lofton has this "above it all" extremely smug and arrogant attitude. Everyone misunderstands the magisterium EXCEPT HIM and it's just so frustrating when he has to correct everyone and set the record straight on everything all the time. We are all just too dumb to be Catholic. Except Michael of course. The arrogance is simply shocking at times.
That’s how he comes across and his followers can pile on all those who disagree with him all they want, but that doesn’t change this fact. I appreciate that he believes he is defending the Church (despite my disagreements) but but he’s using tactics and approaches that are off putting to say the least. We all know how Brother Dimond comes across most of the time. However, in the debate with Cassman his presentation and demeanor surpassed Lofton’s and that’s just fact as well.
That's the exact "vibe" I get from his presentation as well. I try to subscribe and watch Catholics from all over the landscape but Loften more and more gets on my nerves bc of his manner of addressing others.
Lofton has admitted that he suffered from scrupulosity in the past. It is now one of the accusations he throws at others who take a different view than his. He does police his comment section as someone with extreme control issues would. I don't think youtubing is for him. His skin is too thin. I lean traditional but in no way support the SSPX. But I don't expect Kennedy to remove my comments because he seems a confident man. I don't go as far as Timothy Gordon with anti-feminism, (about 90% there though), yet I would never expect him to remove opposing points. He's a confident man. Matt Fradd has the discipline to just not read his comment section, which I can also admire. Man, I feel sorry for Lofton's wife. I mean, he always has to be right. The thing is, I'm not even impressed with his intelligence. He's just parroting.
Loftens videos on Marshall, Gordon, etc don't attack the people themselves, he challenges their ideas. You critique the lengths of his content, but in all fairness there is normally a lengthy q&a at the end
Comparing Dr. Marshall (and others) to someone who sees demons behind Copperfield's shows, and talking about them with disregard, ridicule is disrespectful. narcissistic, maybe passive aggressive. That's Martin Luther/Luder's style.
You can't "publicly engage" Marshall because he ignores everyone. I for one appreciate Lofton offering a counter to Marshall and trads in general because critiques of trads usually come from cringe sources. He at least begins by saying he respects Marshall, et al. And if they weren't long videos, you'd accuse him of not being thorough in his arguments and missing points. Anyone knows when multiple accusations are thrown it takes 2-3 times as long to counter the accusations. While there are certainly points I disagree with Lofton on, I have gained way more from his channel and guests than I have any trad channel.
Marshall is too classy to be drug into petty personal beefs on a public forum. He keeps his channel about the issues at hand. That's what I respect him for.
@@hamie7624 You mean classy like that time Marshall jumped on YT to discuss whether Biden had poo'd his pants? Oh man that's some real class. I remember distinctly that very same day Lofton was interviewing St Pio's cellmate. Which was classier Hamie?
@@theintegratedlifechannel I think the point of that video had to do with something bigger than just the incident. It was reflecting on the serious instability of our president.
Lofton is easily one of the biggest blockers and banners online. The R&T channel is one of the most moderated comment section I've ever seen in the Catholic space. So to critique someone else on public engagement while ignoring Lofton playing the same game is peak hypocrisy. Lofton in his early days used to have a very diverse cast of guests on his show., he even used to bring on SSPX priests. Not anymore.
I would have loved to hear more engagement with his arguments and specific examples of Michael Lofton possible sinning against others. Over time I've listened to him and he is more and more careful about how he speaks of others. He tends to give thorough attack to their arguments and be charitable to the person he is responding to.
Fully agree. Lofton does not deny missteps by Pope Francis. But instead of building a career solely on the Pope's missteps and slamming Bishop Barron , he has tilted the see saw a bit. He takes pains to read statements and then gives his thoughts, rather than mocking how long someone's videos are.
@@chrisxprem I like Mike but recently it seems like he has been trying to make his entire career revolve around being anti trad. An industry of trad slander
In reference to your statement I tried listening to him in regards to the FR Pavonne incident. He essentially was saying FR Pavonne was in the wrong because he disobeyed his bishop which is un true. If one listens to the in person interview with Taylor Marshal, it is clear that the bishop lied to FR Pavonne. So lofton sides with a lying modernists bishop who exercised illicit authority over FR Pavonne. I can’t in good conscience say that lofton is worth listening to. He is in error and needs to repent. He is leading people astray. He’s more concerned with his show and ego than the truth.
Mr. Lofton's channel has does more to strengthen my faith and resolve against attacks from the Protestant heretics and Eastern schismatics than any "trad" channel that does nothing but put out fear porn and clickbait about how "corrupted" the Church is. Why should anyone become a Catholic if all they hear is how horrible everything is? God forbid we have a balanced perspective to make a person happy to call themselves a Catholic.
I am right there with you brother. Michael is a gift to Holy Mother Church. A more fair Catholic on YT you will not find. Save for The Logos Project and The Paleocrat
"So, yeah guys, Calling the Supreme Roman Pontiff a heretic anti-pope apostate evil guy is very much okay, especially If you are a lay person. BUT don't you dare post a video of my buddy Taylor because that means you're harming the Church and you're not respectable at all, especially if you're not funny. Subscribe to The Kennedy Report guys."
Anyone who is even a little acquainted with the catechism realizes that Pope Francis has engaged in years of words and actions opposed to Catholic doctrine and Tradition.
You don't need to be a theologian to know a statement is heretical. If it goes against the catechisms, it is wrong. Theologians e.g. Torquemada have said that it is very possible for a pope to fall into heresy/schism. So it is a legitimate opinion to hold that this current one is in (material) heresy. Recall the example of Eusebius of Dorylæum, a layman at the time, who was the first to rebuke the heresy of Nestorius. The harm that Francis has caused the Church far exceeds anything that Dr. Marshall has supposedly done.
And the Patriarch of the Church, Jesus, is going to step in to settle and correct the problems of the dysfunctional family members, so we need to pray for everyone in the family. ( Not to be taken beyond its relevance or to be unduly critical, but , ML needs to loose the tats. At least he should not be displaying them on his videos. This should be easy enough,, so I have to conclude that he is displaying them intentional, which is, itself, a red flag. - Body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, Scripture making reference to not marking one's body that way, men should not be decorating themselves, - but need I even explain?)
The supreme Pontos as twice by Lee the first commandment both in Rome and in Canada that is a fact. He is also not been factual in recommendations of Vatican two and a Bandan cardinal sin the Chinese and instead yes entertain celebrities who are proportion yet will not back or even see a cardinal and bishop of his church.
No my friend. A prideful laymans interpretation of Canon law and councils in order to place an anathema on someone is the problem. Lofton is smart but is not correct on every matter nor is he the majesterium. Everyone has a personal bias to claim Lofton doesn't is pure arrogance. You can see it seeping out of him on every video he makes.
Michael Loften and The Logos Project are incredible. Ever since hearing their arguments, I have found sedevecantism and the SSPX stance entirely unconvincing. The arugments of the SSPX simply do not hold up against the history of The Church and previous actions of popes. But because I was ignorant of history, for a few years, I was trapped circling around those mentalities. Now I am free! When I finally stumbled across his channel, it took Michael Lofton about 5 minutes to completely dismantle their positions. And he didn't do it by being clever or making fun of people, he did it by simply educating me on the history of The Church. I am now at peace within The Church again. Fighting still, but the fight is finally making sense. The gates of hell have not prevailed!
All prophecy (including Bible) says the true Church will be reduced to a minimum. Lofton refuses to face the historical plot against the Church inside and outside. So, just slide into more modernism, or face it. The gates of Hell will not prevail against truly dogmatic teachings, but the buildings mean nothing without proper behaviour and dogma.
@@TonyT-jn9vf no don’t say “idk”. He’s not talking about the general fight against the devil and sin in this context. If all is well within the institutional hierarchy of the Church- what are you fighting, and why does that fight make sense?
Everyone defending Lofton but let's be really honest- he IS childish. I have posted relatively mild criticisms of his videos on TH-cam, not even trying to defame him or anything. And he takes everything extremely personally and blocks right away. He did the same thing to me after I disagreed with him about the Padre Pio moving that had Pio dropping the F bomb (not important). He blocked me and posted a video about my comment. The dude LIVES online and is extremely sensitive.
Yeah when I heard about cursing in the Padre Pio movie. I was bummed but then again Europeans do curse a lot! So I guess that makes it authentic. Well i can't wait to see it!
Responding to Taylor Marshall is important. The review video on R&T of Infiltration was really important because it exposed the fact that Marshall cited sources that didn't claim what he was claiming. Anyway, anyone who has watched Michael Lofton knows this critique is a straw man of Lofton.
I'm just a bystander, but it's not helpful to just trash someone without specific evidence. At least Taylor Marshall had cited his sources. I am not interested in smear campaigns. I am interested in the truth. People like you are worthless.
@@gregorymackinnon7485 There is nothing stopping anyone to make counter arguments to Lofton's points yet nobody is doing that but instead attacking his person. Why?
Michael Lofton has a video where he’s exasperated with his audience for not being won over by his argument on some pope Francis related topic. This was about 8 months ago and I was just blown back by his audacity in laying the blame on his audience for not thinking “well, Lofton settled that issue. On to the next!”
There are a lot of ad hominem attacks in his smug responses. He declares someone who disagrees as "scrupulous" or "Protestant" or "schismatic". Like he has the knowledge or authority to declare these things.
Lofton makes multiple videos a day and is commenting on publically available content; some of it comments on Catholics, but much of it does not. Mr. Bocca also doesn't like Lofton's length and style...that's a preference, not a critique. It's also funny that you kept bringing up the Gordon video, since Lofton actually supports Gordon many times throughout that video, but as you admitted, you didn't watch it. Your critiques are pretty weak gentlemen.
I don't always agree with Mr Lofton, but I surely do recognise his voice and knowledge as valuable. You just went full frenzy on him, but with no substansive arguments. For instance, him doing long documents does not prove that there is something wrong with his work; him addressing different people does not mean he is going after people, but he is challenging the subject matter discussed by other voices; him being unfaithful to Christ is probably the reality of every human being daily. I also think you should expect to be challenged by any person at any time, if you are a public speaker / TH-camr, without special notification. You should have done him justice and recognise his knowledge, his logical argument, his inquisitive mind, his place among commentators. And when you go after someone next time, you should give strong arguments. If you think he disrespected a priest, you should validate this. Having a strong or opposite opinion to someone else is not a sign of disrespect.
Well said. Lofton always states that criticizing someone’s views and statements is not the same as attacking them personally. These people dish out criticism but can’t take it themselves.
Praise God for Lofton's work saving me and many others from the rad trads and anti-catholic Catholics I used to be an anti catholic protestant, And if it wasnt for people like Lofton i wouldve become an anti catholic Catholic and probably an apostate anti catholic because of the horrible anti catholic channels online
Your comment sounds sophomoric. Not meant top be insulting, although I realize it sounds that way, but you are new to Catholicism and it seems apparent that you don't understand the more complicates situation going on right now and the implications to that. It's good that you became catholic, but it is not the traditionalists who are crossing over into heresy, apostasy and paganism. It's a complicated time to become Catholic. The True Church IS to separate from the Aspe of the Church. These are not usual times. Keep an open mind and keep your eyes open. You don't want to be ushered into the False Church. Blessings.
@@finallythere100 u accusing the church of apostasy/paganism etc... why would anyone even become catholic if what u said were true? Can you even objectively point to the church u are part of? Do you have a Pope you are in communion with? Do have a magistrerium? Do u also reject the 1989 profession of faith? So-called radical "traditionalists" are anything but traditional. Condemning the church and picking and choosing what to believe. Ecclesiology sounds a lot more like Martin Luther than true traditional catholicism
He’s a narcissist. He can’t help himself - even when he was supposed to be on holiday he “had” to make videos! R&T used to have other commentators but now it’s just him pontificating on everything. He even calls out eminent theologians and bishops - none of whom he contacts prior to nor invites them on - to discuss their arguments.
He was on vacation in Costa Rica and I commented on his video saying I don't think the Padre Pio movie is bad and he immediately made a reaction video. It's textbook.
A Narcissist can mean someone with full blown NPD, such behaviors or traits. It's better to say: 'I see his narcissistic behavior'. Only someone competent in this matter like Dr. Ramani or Sam Vaknin can give him an exact diagnosis. I'm glad you've seen through him. Most of the people can't recognize such behaviors due to lack of knowledge and efforts, time it require. Narcs behave like ordinary people and only repetitive pattern of negative behaviors can expose them. see: '10 Christian Boundaries for Narcissists with Fr Dave Nix and Dr Taylor Marshall' God bless you
He berated a catechumen for saying they didn't completely understand an issue and having earnest questions. Lofton told them to not to weigh in on his videos until their formation was complete. How is a catechumen to learn except by asking questions? His ego is out of control.
I'm certain that his wife had a super fun time on that trip. He cannot stop himself from constant right-fighting. He's always right. Must be super fun to be married to Lofton period. *wink*
He definitely comes off as extremely narcissistic. I began to suspect that he purposely attacked other Catholic apologists on TH-cam to get views. He doesn't come across as a person who cares about the faith or inspiring people to become Catholic. He's only doing this for $$$. The more drama he creates, the more views the more money he makes off of TH-cam. He's arrogant, and he has a very fragile ego. He's made it big off of TH-cam but that right there is a not someone I would want as my mentor. Blind obedience or get lost... I chose to get lost. I'm no puppet.
The amount of responses he's made, especially on radical traditionalism, is because there are so many channels that are leading people astray in one way or the other and he has to put in a lot of work to try and correct them. The reason he has so many videos on Taylor Marshall is not because he thinks Marshall is the best proponent of his position but because so many people tune into Marshall. Which means a lot of people are being influenced by him and not in good ways a lot of the time. It's the same reason he addresses a lot of popular videos so that people that may have been negatively influenced by them can be shown why it is harmful and he can help correct it. Plus the fact that Michael is reviewing so many videos and putting out a lot of other videos and content as well is a great thing and shows how hard working and intelligent he is because if you watch the videos you will see he has a very developed view of theology which is what a lot of rad trads are gravely missing. Michael addresses videos of people attacking Holy Mother Church in one way or the other and he does it so people stay faithful to the Church. If you think Michael is wrong then do a video correcting his viewpoints, he's always open to charitable criticism. But please don't start questioning his character and slandering the man because you know and everyone else knows you have no real response to his points.
There is no such thing as "radical traditionalism." Lofton should not be doing videos like this about other people attacking them. It's as simple as that. Go over and take a look at Chris Stefanick on Agustine Institute. All of his videos are exploring some topic or teaching something. His goal is to educate people and build up the Church, not get into little infights. Even Kennedy doing this video might be borderline doing the same thing, though I understand if he feels like he needs to address this behavior. But generally a youtube channel or apostolate should not have attacking other people as a core part of their content.
@@TheKevin9000 there is such a thing as radical traditionalism. It's also know as dissenting from Church teaching. Lofton is doing videos about Radical Traditionalism because, as I stated above, in many cases they are open dissenters from Church teaching. They are the other side of the coin with leftist catholics like James Martin. The reason they need to be addressed is because they are actually leading people away from orthodox Catholicism by calling into question Vatican II, the Pope, etc. They have a deficient view of the Magesterium and how Catholic authority works and they mess up a lot of new Catholics who are converts from protestantism and EO. Lofton addressing them is actually helping out Holy Mother Church and it helps keep new converts to Catholicism because they now have a sufficient view of Catholic authority. A lot of the people who go Sede, or Beneplenarist, EO, or Agnostic is because they follow this Radical Traditionalism trend to its logical conclusion. Lofton isn't attacking anyone personally or trying to judge them, he's just trying to correct their viewpoints so they don't scandalize others. There's nothing wrong with correcting a brother and calling them to the truth. There's also nothing wrong with dialouge or debate or reviewing such material. The only caveat is that these critiques should be done charitably which I think Michael aims for everytime he does a video. He may not be perfect at it but he does a great job in my eyes and nobody is perfect. I also think Michael's videos help educate and build up the Church in correcting error and by teaching beautiful Catholic doctrine. He is amazingly educated in the Magesterium and that is one area in Catholic circles that is sorely avoided and I think many others should start addressing it as well. So I think Michael has a ton to offer and his videos are very instructive and informative in a lot of ways. Also Michael is not attacking people he is attacking positions, there is a big difference. Can I not say the exact same thing about Hall and say he attacks people when he criticizes them. Because if critiquing a position is attacking then I know for a fact he attacks the Pope, the Bishops, Priest, laymen, etc, etc. Michael attacks positions not people but I understand it can be tempting to attack the person but Michael avoids that and all to his credit. I'm not sure I can say the same thing about Mr. Hall after this video since he didn't address Michael's points at all and just attacked his character.
@@michaelhodges2391 Having eyes to see and ears to hear is mentioned many times in the Bible. When Catholics see things such as the Pachamama event, the venerating of Luther's statue in the Vatican, the Assisi prayer meeting events, the kissing of the Koran, the way faithful Catholics including Cardinal Zen have been betrayed in China, they know that that's NOT Church teaching. Calling it out is NOT dissent, rather it is upholding the perennial teachings of the Church.
@@Mar--Mar you can call out bad things you see in the Church. The prime example is the abuse of minors that caused and still is causing great scandal in the Church and was a great evil. The problem is a lot of these traditionalist commentators only cover scandal 24/7 and have their audiences exposed to scandal or supposed scandal 24/7. The main problem though is that they tend to use rash judgement instead of sound judgement and have a hermenutic of suspicion rather than a hermenutic of charity. I would agree there is nothing wrong with calling out problems in the Church, which oddly enough is what I think Michael Lofton does better than anyone. The problem is that most of these 'problems' are not as extreme or as exaggerated as those who expound on them want you to believe. They create more problems than are actually there and it scandlizes people further and even worse a lot of it is unjust judgement on the Pope, the Bishops, the Vatican, etc. I would check out shows done by Lofton on those very topics you bring up to me and he critiques the people involved fairly and explains some things that may be ambiguous
@@clarekuehn4372 I personally stayed in the Church after the material they put out when he was doing apologetics agains the Eastern Orthodox. If not I would have converted a couple of years ago.
Lay intellectuals in general are a problem in the Church today. While I agree with most of the criticisms you guys level, I’m not sure how helpful a video like this is. Those who are looking for a well-read lay guy with letters in front of his name to Catholicize the pope’s APPARENT errors are going to keep watching Lofton. Those who take the pope’s words at face value don’t have to. The reason there is such a market for lay theologians is that we don’t have any good clerical theologians to engage over these issues. Pray for holy priests and bishops (heck, and a holy pope!) to help us out of this mess.
In the opening statements alone, after saying you don’t even watch his channel, y’all call him out for doing public response videos (to statements that are also public, as public figures yourselves); tease him for the length of content he posts by exaggerating their length and suggesting he’s not witty enough; you straw man his position by claiming he says everything Pope Francis does is “just fine” (note: he doesn’t do this); and then you say he should “get lost” because you disagree with his more nuanced take on the controversy of Pachamama. And I’m only 5 minutes in. This is disappointing, not to mention uncharitable. The irony runs deep.
@YAJUN YUAN Do you know the full conversation that went on between them? If he blocked him, it was either deserved, or childish on Michael’s part. Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that Michael is right on this issue. Harping on his shortcomings only detracts from the actual issue being addressed.
@YAJUN YUAN Kennedy (and others) were taking the word of demons from a possessed person concluding that they always tell the truth when compelled by a priest. Michael commented on that being shaky reasoning to trust demons. Which is a very valid point. Kennedy made an entire video defending Lefebvre based on what a demon said. Odd.
@@aloyalcatholic5785 when you quote someone, don’t leave out words without indicating you have. I referred to it as “his more nuanced take on the controversy of Pachamama.”
Kennedy, if I hadn’t stopped listening to Taylor Marshall I would’ve long since run away screaming from the Catholic Church. I would’ve just stayed eastern orthodox. Does Taylor Marshall lead people to schism? In fact I know quite a few ex Catholics who are now eastern orthodox because of Taylor Marshall. I am not going to leave the eastern orthodox church for the Catholic Church if the pope is a heretic. Period. Give me a good reason to become Catholic from your point of view. Lofton has done just that and brilliantly! If it weren’t for him I wouldn’t be converting to the Catholic Church.
@@kcollinsgallhollcom that’s not what I said. I might agree that Pope Francis is one of the worst Popes in history, but I am not going to join a Church that has both Vatican I and a heretical pope. Those two things contradict and falsify the Catholic claims. I can stay Eastern Orthodox if I want to think the Pope is a heretic. And canon law (as well as many magisterial sources) specifically prohibits Catholics from slandering the pope or spreading information that harms peoples’ faith. If the Pope could be a heretic or if an ecumenical council could teach harmful doctrines then the Catholic Church is no longer indefectibile. And here is a newsflash: converts are not hoping to join a Church that has been utterly defeated or completely falsified! Give me one good reason to be Catholic from your point of view. Not “you should be Catholic because the Catholic Church is the true Church.” Eastern Orthodox think that about the Orthodox Church. You have to make a case that the Catholic Church is at least somewhat adequate or you are not even in the game - Eastern Orthodox think their church is amazing and the best. How do you counteract that with your sad complaints that the pope is a heretic and the church has been defeated and nothing is good about the Catholic Church? Really hoping you respond, because maybe, if you are right, I should just stay Eastern Orthodox. I know lots of ex-rad trads that have converted to Orthodoxy.
@@gtaylor178 I am reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Baltimore Catechism, Christ Our Pascha (the Ukrainian Catholic Catechism), the Code of Canon Law, the documents of Vatican I, the documents of Vatican II, Ott, Bellermine’s Catechism, and the syllabus of errors. Nothing in there about the pope being a heretic, an ecumenical council teaching harmful doctrines, lay people being permitted to slander the pope and the bishops, or that defamation of the Church being permitted. What nonsense are you getting at?
By the way -- not to take away from the topic, which is important and good -- but this is the first video (Kennedy) commenting on a video (Lofton) that is commenting on a video (Marshall) that comments on a video (original source) that I've ever seen. Big day
Gentlemen, this was quite sad. I came here to watch a rebuttal of R&T’s content but instead wasted my time listening to bantering and character assassination of Mr. Lofton. I have been regular viewer of R&T for a couple of years and have never heard Mr. Lofton personally attack anyone. His programs always focus on critiquing content and not persons.
I just unsubscribed from Lofton's channel. He is most uncharitable when engaging with his audience's comments. He needs to exercise some humility in areas where there is room for differing opinions. I saw how he treated a catechumen who had earnest questions. He told them to refrain from commenting until their formation was complete. He was condescending and told them that they couldn't possibly understand. Well, that was why they were asking questions! That is no way to treat people wishing to enter our church. I'm not on board with all of Kennedys views either. I'm not radical or coming from that angle.
@@pconnorscole243 I saw how he went after the catechumen. The catechumen didn't even disagree. They said they didn't understand and asked a couple of questions. He was cruel in his response and I thought it was rather rich coming from someone who's only been Catholic for 2 years. His responses to anyone who does disagree are ad hominem attacks. He labels people "Protestant", "schismatic" and "scrupulous". By what sort of personal knowledge and authority can he declare that to be the truth about people? He's even worse on twitter. He purposely seeks conflict. So much so, that it appears to be a strategy to build his channel. It's what he's accused Taylor Marshall of. It's hypocritical.
@@carolynkimberly4021 In my original comment I petitioned prayers for all three, but that's not a bad idea Carolyn. I'll remember Michael in my Rosary tonight.
Michael Lofton is popular because he takes down cliche mad trad and SSPX talking points, and has helped the faith of thousands of Catholics. You can call it "mental gymnastics" or "long-winded" as much as you want, but he is on the side of the Truth of the Faith, not SSPX types. R&R is untenable theologically and creates either sedevacantists or orthos when you follow the money, as evidenced by Cassman's massive failure in the debate with Dimond.
How is insulting Catholics beneficial? If I call you a milquetoast catholic how does that help? We are all Catholics navigating an appalling pontificate which looks like getting worse through a synod. History is littered with truth tellers who were once called mad. Christ was radical lest we forget.
If that is the case, why hasnt he been invited to a panel of speakers of other great Catholic figures. I wish he could do a debate LIVE with a theologian. How about invite Fr. Ripperger to his show?
From Ireland. Thank God for Michael Lofton, Logas , John Salza and Andrew Bartel. All a breath of fresh air. Our lord Jesus found his Church on the bedrock of St. Peter , his Apostles and their successors. Our duty is to Pray for our Pope Bishops Priests and eachother. This is the way Jesus set up his Church. Unfortunately Archbishop Lefebvre separated himself from the Authority of this Church in disobedience. He thought he knew better . SSPX still hold on this erroneous mindset. We all need to study the Eight Commandment and reflect. God protect us all from rash judgements, especially against God's Elect. 🙏☘️
Honestly you thank God for: 1. A man who has changed Creeds 4 times in a single decade (unstable) 2. Don’t know Logas 3. Two long time SSPX chapel goers who now spray vitriol against their own friends. Funnily enough, ask them if they’d ever attend the Novus Ordo, or if they’d accept the writing as is of the Abu Dhabi statement, or Amoris Laetitia. I’ll bet they’d sound awfully SSPX’y there.
From Ireland yet you still can't see the rot that caused apostasy in our land? Tell me where Francis had reprimanded the apostates in Belgium or Germany, and Ireland?
The sides are forming up between those devoted to Mary and those who are not. I’m convinced of this. Catholic commentators not praying Rosary can’t lead. They themselves arn’t aware of it. We see because our mother is protecting us.
It seems like you're missing the forest for the trees. True Christianity is about how to love. It seems you're getting lost in the weeds and losing sight of that, similar to how to Pharisees did. Having correct doctrine is utterly useless if you don't realize your spiritual life should be centered around embodying Christ's love. Take some time and reflect on what's important. I'm a Catholic convert, btw.
No offense but that is quite a protestant way of looking at things. We are called to call out, with charity, others. To love someone is to will the best not just love them where they are at. It is that distortion that is a tumour in the Church. If I do wrong, yet I can't see it, I want others to call me out. To love someone is to help them get to heaven.
@@UncleKlausSchwab I don’t believe in “loving people where they’re at” in that sense, so you’ve misunderstood my position. The Bible is clear, however, that the doctrine you intellectually subscribe to is secondary to the love in your heart. This isn’t a Protestant position, it’s Catholic teaching. The man who has the best grasp of correct doctrine in the world but lives an unrepentant life is in a much worse spot spiritually than a repentant Mormon or Muslim who loves the best that he can given the information he’s aware of.
Completely disagree with you on this Kennedy. Michael is Is doing really good to defend the Faith. You say he’s anti traditionalism, but he’s the one defending Traditionalism. Sad to see this video.
22:40 // I began to attend RCIA classes in preparation for my conversion to Catholicism. On Easter Vigil of 2012, I was received into full-communion with the Catholic Church alongside my best friend JC Gaspard and his wife, who were on the same journey as I was. // Stated by Michael Lofton back in 2015.
@@volusian95 If only we all had our own private crowd funded chapels in our homes, and priests that came to us. Then maybe we would be fully Catholic instead of dissenting at the TLM two hours drive away
He goes to tremendous lengths to not attend the Novus Ordo, all while telling you you are a heretic for criticizing it. Lofton IMO has no reason to be Eastern at all. I can only understand his preference for the east as obstinate and he must repent..
Dude you dont even understand the whole of it. I went to his little monthly eastern catholic liturgy one time and basically spent the entire day at his house in Louisiana. I asked him in conversation where he goes the other three sundays of the month when he cant get an eastern catholic priest to his house (the nearest eastern catholic church is 5 hours away in Irving texas at st basil's) He told me that he attends a local greek eastern orthodox church. Yeah, you read that right. He attends a schismatic church, surrounded by literally half a dozen or more western rite churches, and his only excuse was some weird vague explanation on how he wanted to raise his kids in the eastern rite for consistency among other smaller reasons. The dude was literally CONFIRMED at the local cathedral of St Matthews which is a novus ordo mass church. Also just fyi Ive been watching Michael since 2020 and hes played a part in my conversion to Catholicism. HOWEVER, he has mentioned this fact NOT ONCE on his channel and his reluctance to share this info with his audience is extremely shifty and disingenuous. But I could think of a few reasons as to why he wouldnt want to share it.
He is unbelievably arrogant and vile. So glad you guys made this video. He makes the combination of all the Gordon brothers and Michael Voris worst moments seem like a teaspoon of sugar. He’s soo annoying and lame. I wish he would just go away.
@@kevinrhatigan5656 I'm assuming Bryan is making a low brow humor joke at ML's first marriage being annulled but poking fun at it by slyly saying that it actually was a divorce. I could be wrong but that's my guess at least.
Just watched this today. Seems pretty clear Lofton is following the Mark Shea path...right down to the uncharitable sniping and echo chamber cultivation.
I don't think you guys know how poorly this reflects on the two of you. He has literally called Francis's pontificate "Perhaps the worst pontificate we've seen", and the most you two can manage are loose attributions of hurting sspx feelings, and accusations of 'long and boring content'. Did you even prepare before you decided to drag his name in a manner that you yourselves accuse him of doing? If this was meant to charitably rebuke a brother in Christ it has thoroughly failed in the saddest and most flaccid manner. The title alone made me double check I hadn't accidentally stumbled upon a Vox video, or other such leftist complaining nonsense.
When did Lofton convert? JPII's pontificate was far worse because it led to all the problems that dragged down Benedict, and are dragging down Francis. People calling Francis the worst reflects poorly on their knowledge of papal history.
Lofton also used to call Vatican II a failure, which he did in a video when he had Eric Sammons on the show. Guess what Lofton did, he deleted the video. And when I asked where the video is on facebook, he unfriended me. Also on "SSPX feelings," Lofton used to have SSPX priests on his channel several times. Not once did he put any hard questions to them, those critiques that he now always expresses. Few years later he now just hammers the SSPX behind their backs, refusing to allow those same priests to come on. Not sure why you think Lofton is above criticism?
@@hajduksplit698 Never insinuated once that Lofton was above criticism. The video above was not actually criticism, it was old lady church yard gossip without serious confrontation of specific criticisms they have of what Michael has said. Believe it or not I came here looking for a serious critique of Lofton, I always want to check what I listen to against dissenting voices to test what I think I know and hold fast to what is true, but this was decidedly not that. Shame.
Once I placed an invitation from Ubi Petrus (UP) to take part in an online debate with ML in the comments below ML's video. UP offered 250% time to ML, the debate was to take part on a third party platform with independently selected moderators. ML deleted my comment. I placed the comment twice more, but the comment was always removed. Following that I was blocked by YT for 24h. He is such a disappointment 😥...
Kennedy: Michael Lofton is a very sad but dangerous case of one who wrongly believes that he has special theological insights that others do not possess, and so in a pride-filled effort to try to elevate his own status as a "master theologian," which is laughable on its face, he frequently attacks solid and dramatically more intelligent theologians via straw man and red herring arguments. Indeed, he very much resembles Pope Francis in his disdain for much of sound Catholic tradition. Moreover, in his oft-times irrational defense of Pope Francis, he also employs the Obi Wan Kenobi "These are not the droids you are looking for" when the Pope makes extremely problematic statements or takes various actions that deserve to be criticized objectively, but in Lofton's simplistic mind, the criticisms of the Pope's statements and actions are fantasies, and that's why he declares them to be "not the droids you are looking for" when in point of fact they most definitely are and need to be properly confronted. Pray for him while continuing to counter, when appropriate, his practiced gaslighting that is indeed harmfully Jesuitical in many respects. God Bless.
Hello everyone, this is Pope Francis, my internet is down, so I’m having to use this viewer’s comment box to communicate my immediate and most recent promulgation. This is for My faithful servant Michael Lofton. Dear Michael (can I call you Michael), thank you for upholding my supreme and omnipotent authority over all the church. Please be so kind (and submissive) as per my Imperial request as to sell all of your property and assets and give the earnings to the the title holder of this comment box ‘godogsgo100’, as he is very poor and in need. Thank you for your prompt attention in this matter. Please be reminded of the consequences for disobeying the Pope (that’s me). Have a glorious day.
Weird critique against Michael. More or less, they are saying: “he’s very thorough and good at explaining his position, so that’s a problem.” Just make better arguments guys, don’t trash Michael Lofton.
Trashing is different than criticizing. Grow up. This is a public airing like a formal debate, but with one person refusing to engage. He is good on some Protestant issues.
Thank you for addressing this. At first I appreciated Michael’s effort to give Francis the benefit of the doubt, and be sceptical of some seemingly widespread Trad or conservative claims but he does not give his interlocutors the same treatment he gives Francis. In fact he’s been overly sure of himself, disrespectful and seems to make no effort to understand the basis of other people’s arguments or their reasons to be engaging in argument.
If you have the knowledge to demonstrate that the Pope is innocent of the many accusations of heresy from Catholic podcasters you don't owe those people respect. They're leading people into dangerous error. If lofton is correct then the other people weighing in are ignorant and unqualified to be speaking on the matter or they're doing something much more sinister. If you're going to accuse the Pope of heresy you better have the knowledge and facts to prove it. The rebukes need to be loud and public. Not to shame anyone but because that's the only way to set the record straight for all the people who have listened to this stuff
@MichaelMaedoc Sounds like you're talking about Taylor Marshall, Michael Matt, Anthony Stine, and all the rest of these "educated" clowns. Full of anger and self-righteousness.
How many shows spend all day bashing the Pope and V2 ? , one guy has a show defending the magisterium from the bashing and he is a problem? Misrepresent the Pope = ok ? Misrepresenting the SSPX = How dare you ?. Sorry if I seem disrespectful, but honestly this is what I took from the video,
The only people who have thinner skin than Lofton are apparently his fans in this comment section. Lofton throws shade at every other public catholic commentator and then his fans cry when someone throws some back 😂
Imagine being part of #TeamLofton like this is sports or something 😂 Every time his name comes up it's because he talks about other people. I didn't know who this guy was until he starting ripping on Marshall. That's called a grift.
I would love an actual numbered list of all the errors,bad statements, heretical speech of Pope Francis since 2013...and then I would make a thousand copies,and disperse them all over N.O.Parishes
Kennedy - Have you ever had a discussion about the "Blue Collar Catholic"? He's another recent convert to the Church who thinks that the current status is just peachy and that the Pope should never be criticized. He has never attended a TLM and sees no problem with Pope Francis restricting it. I have watched some of his videos where he really slams Taylor Marshall and takes him totally out of context.
He is not newer because he is actually a real part of the catholic church. A person who was born into the SSPX is not a canonical part of the Church So its a joke to say he is "newer"
I notice in the comments that "Ventura" claims "...if Lofton is correct, then theres nothing wrong with being a schismatic - b/c they're also saved." In fact, Lofton claims the opposite, in two ways: 1. He claims that being a schismatic (grave matter), if coupled to full knowledge and full consent of the will, results in mortal sin; 2. He claims that persons who die in unrepentant mortal sin are not saved; ...and he spends a lot of effort on criticizing dissent as being borderline schism. His only qualification is that the dissent may often be a result of ignorance (of how the Magisterium works) or deception (knowing what the pope has said/done only through the mediation of persons who willfully misinterpret the pope's words/deeds in a hostile way). If the dissenters are ignorant or deceived, then their borderline schism is NOT coupled to full knowledge and consent. That's what the guy says. Anyone who listens through his "Magisterium playlist" hears him say this over and over. Given this, it's hard to see how "Ventura's" claim could be both informed, and honest. Don't misunderstand me. Lofton may very well have been uncharitable on Twitter. And for all I know, Lofton's understanding of the Magisterium -- he leans very heavily on the manualists, and on the CDF's commentary on the concluding formula of the Professio Fidei -- might be mistaken. But we can't be credible critics of what he says if we spend all our effort falsely claiming that he says stuff that's the opposite of what he actually says!
Exactly. There’s too much ad hominem going on without engaging the substance. People who do that tend to not have a leg to stand on, or else lack confidence in their position.
Very interesting! I had no idea he converted just a couple years ago. I watched a new video by him this week, interviewing a Catholic priest about the writings of St. Francis de Sales, during which he crossed himself twice in the Eastern Orthodox way, with the thumb and first 2 fingers grouped together, like they do it; touching the right shoulder first, then the left.
@@kenmcrae8591 I went to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy one time and it was extremely different. They did multiple things differently. I didn’t key off on the specific way they crossed themselves but they would cross themselves as they bowed and some other things which made it hard to see
See and ppl still think Michael Lofton is a problem, most trads are given to highly judgmental histronics like this one "he didnt cross himself in the Latin way!!!!" If your judgment about a fellow Catholic is rash how much more so do you judge the Pope who is under so much sensational media hyperbole
I myself am not a super huge fan of Michael Lofton. I find his videos to not be very entertaining I am also not a fan of content farm YT channels. The one thing that really annoyed was when he said that FSSP priests should be made to say the new mass in conjunction with saying the old mass. Just to make sure that they didn’t have any schismatic attitudes essentially treating the new mass as a litmus teat for obedience.
Not only that, He, Michael Lofton, thinks he can now advise (dictate to?) the FSSP, who have been around for many years, and have gone through many struggles and endured many hardships for the sake of the true Faith. Extraordinary temerity.
His (and his audience's) behavior reflects that of the left. They can't have differing opinions and are very quick to silence earnest questions/concerns asked in good faith. I've seen michael and his mods do this on several occasions. It doesnt surprise me that he would say that about the fssp. It's his "witch" test for them.
I've seen Michael's and others videos refuting Taylor Marshall... honestly 99% of the time I just assume they're making the videos to try and build their channel by tapping into Taylor's large audience. Maybe that's cynical but Taylor Marshall has one of the biggest followings on Catholic TH-cam and so for a smaller channel to make videos about him is going to draw attention from his audience to their own channel.
Or the reason he makes videos about him is because he is trying to reach the myriads of people who follow that borderline schismatic. TM should be ashamed of himself with how he is leading people away from the Church.
Lofton has also led people away from the church. He labels people who disagree with him as schismatics and Protestants. He argues to them that a traditional stance is anti-Catholic That it is disobedient, anti-Rome and anti-papacy. Some people take that sort of ad hominem attack as truth and think they must be in the wrong church. I just read a response in this very comment section from "GP" who recounted how Lofton led him to Orthodoxy. It's far from the first time I've heard this. When he criticizes TM, it is hypocrisy. They are just at opposite extremes of the same problem.
@@theincensedcatholic He is quite petty at times... makes videos about really small stuff, his channe is more like reason & gossip than it is reason and theology
"Michael doesn't have decorum and is not acting Christian, lets critique his humor and make sure that everyone knows he apostatized in his past" Satan loves irony . . .
There is a longstanding standard of Catholics with an inconsistent past to stay silent on matters, at least for a good long while after a reversion. Michael’s arrogant behaviour in this regard shows he is very much in the post conciliar mold, with this as with everything else
@@aloyalcatholic5785 how does an inconsistent past disqualify someone from making valid points? Everyone has an inconsistent past; this video is 30 minutes of inconsistency and yet they’re able to speak? Is the preconciliar mold really just gate keeping?
Michael Lofton, unfortunately is trying to be a professional Catholic. He's been Catholic for what, a week? Hasn't been tried to be like 13 versions of Christianity?
The funny thing is in all his 2,000 videos criticizing other people's mistake, Michael was never as nasty as you were in this video, making fun of his conversion story. He delivers content in quantity, quality and nuance. You guys couldn't even engage his material. For example, he recently showed how Pope Leo XIII's Epistola Tua directly refutes R&R, but instead of responding to his material, you just made fun of him
@@CatholicBossHogg why jump to insults? Just engage with his comment directly without making fun of him yourself. This video claims to be a serious critique of Lofton, so it welcomes serious criticism from others.
He is VERY nasty to people on twitter and youtube comments. He removes all critical comments after basically calling you a heretic for disagreeing with him on minor unimportant matters.
@@jimmysheehan5496 I have written critical comments on his videos. He responded strongly (as one should), but never deleted any comment of mine, never made fun of me. He disagreed with my views, but he didn't resort to ad hominem. Tell me one minor unimportant matter for which he has called people heretics.
I was hoping to hear some pushback on some of his arguments but it was just about how you don't like the guy because he disagrees with you on some things, is not funny in your opinion and he converted too recently. I can see why he talks to Flanders and Gordon but not you, aynone would block you after making this kind of video about him, and for good reason.
Flanders, Gordon, and Lofton are all able to have a discussion with one another and charitably disagree with each other, when they actually disagree. They are a great example of how Catholic brothers should act towards each other.
I like you, Kennedy, but this video was unnecessary. I was looking for an actual problem, but you only criticised his style and credentials, really. Don't stumble into the mire. Your opinion is important, when it is focused on helping us navigate the marsh of nonsense we have all been plunged into. Please stay the course.
Fair enough, BTW, to criticise his opinion when he is justifying the pac#$@ama thing or genuine heresies. On board if you are warning against this. But the rest, just ignore.
I watch both men regularly and have gained much insight from both. Lofton fans are pretty loyal so it's also possible that they just flooded the comment section...I just sigh. Everyone needs to remember 1 Corinthians 1.
Michael starts off almost all of his videos stating it is going to be a "charitable" discussion. But just because you call it charitable, doesn't mean it will be if you behave the way he does.
Respectful Debates and refuting arguments with facts is not a lack of charity. We live in a time when everyone feels entitled to express opinions but yet also entitled to receive a positive response. Logical arguments and critical thinking don’t work that way. He’s never made fun of anyone, he’s only respectfully criticized their views. We shouldn’t be snowflakes.
Only valid criticism which can be weighed against Lofton from this video…is he is quick with the block. The only other part which could be valid is the DM comments and not making the DM public…like if it’s true, just post. Otherwise isn’t just a baseless claim. The rest of the “criticisms” are just two boys pretending to be men who fail to understand anything Lofton has stated. Man…this really was a ramble. Hope y’all hit the views you wished with this video.
Michael Lofton is the reason me leaving Catholicism for Orthodoxy..... Just saying, he forced my hand (obviously not directly) and made me realise my traditional stance isn't traditional and disobedient and anti-vatican one, so I either submit to the Pontiff or go orthodoxy which I have....
I think that's because, ironically, ML's position is closer to sedevacantism in that it doesn't allow for any discrepancies, and zero contradictions. Its logical conclusion is just in the opposite direction of sedevacantism. At the end of the day he is just a layman and isn't the magisterium. He can throw historical church quote after quote, document after document, this council said this, so on and so forth, but only the magisterium can interpret for the magesterium. Not michael lofton. The crisis the church faces is from lack of clarity from the hierarchs. I pray for your return to Catholicism. I believe as things go on in the church and scandals get to a point where no one can deny what is happening, his audience will be in a cognitive dissonant dilemma.
I can see how he has driven people away from the church in this way. He often pronounces those who disagree with him as "Protestant" or schismatic". He doesn't have the authority to do so. He's not even an expert, being Catholic for only a couple years. I pray more people do not leave the church due to a blowhard.
I used to enjoy his videos back when a lot of them were critiques of typical Protestant slander against Catholics. Then he started attacking us TLM goers calling us Schismatics all because of valid concerns over some of the Pope’s questionable things and the various abuses and hippie guitar music in the NO mass. He sits up on his eastern rite high horse criticizing us TLM folks telling us we are leading people into schism when he was the one that left for orthodoxy and came back 😂 I still watch some of his videos and think it’s important to have his insight to bring us traditional Catholics back down to earth, just like it’s important to have the Taylor Marshall’s of TH-cam in order to question some of the scandals going on. That being said I’m really getting tired of his smug narcissistic arrogance and his whole smarter than you attitude. Only thing left to do is pray I suppose.
I respectfully disagree. I have listened to many of his videos criticising SSPX and the Sede, and every single time he states that he does not personally criticise the people attending TLM, but he does criticise what has been publicly stated by the SSPX and Sede churches. He gives quotations and sources. You may disagree with him, but your statement is misrepresenting what he actually says in almost every single video when he talks about those issues. And yes, it seems he has the same concerns about the abuses in the NO masses and adresses them. But to deny that the Sede are schismatic and that there appears to be no intention, at least in the official US SSPX branch, to resolve the canonical irregularity (to say the least) with Rome, is pure denial of facts. Why not make things easy: - if you despise V2 and everything it represents, if you hate the current Pope and consider him a heretic, if you have never anything good to say about the current Catholic Church and just reminisce about "the good ol' days" you never lived through, then, face it, you are no longer Catholic - if you find that V2 is ok but certain things irk you and would like to work within the Church for change, if you understand that the current Pope is a pastoral (not a doctrinal) pope addressing himself to the heathens more than to Catholics and that he is imperfect and can make what some would consider as mistakes but not heresies, if instead of looking to the past, you look to the future and would like to find ways to bridge the divide between Catholics, then you are still a Catholic What I do find extremely sad, is that Catholic YT, in general, seems more intent on criticising the Pope, the magisterium, going on about V2, criticising this bishop and that bishop, criticising one another and adding personal political views in between 2 sentences... in the meantime, the ranks of atheists and pagans are growing and anticatholicism as well.
I started watching him but then he's defending Amoris Leticia and sometimes it's ok to be remarried and receive Holy Communion so I quit watching him. He talks in this calm soft voice like that's supposed to make him persuasive. Lol!
I’m a former Presbyterian currently attending a small Melkite Catholic Church in my neck of the woods. The biggest problem I currently have with the Church is the squishiness and seemingly spineless Magisterium and specifically Pope Francis, who disappoints me nearly at every turn. People like Lofton that try and tell people that the Pope’s farts smell like roses hurt the credibility of the Petrine See and the church at large. Leaders need to be held to higher standard than the average layperson because of the responsibilities they possess. There is absolutely nothing wrong, imho, with critiquing the unhelpful/harmful things that the Pope may say-we should of course also remember him in our prayers 🙏
I actually went to war with Lofton over the 62 Missal. That man is a CARD. I personally can't stand him. I'm well read and I presented arguments DIRECTLY TO HIM that he has YET to respond to.
Just to correct something, around minute 23:00 you said that Lofton had been Catholic for two years. He was actually Catholic, I think wrote for the Remnant, then went into schism and then came back into communion with the Catholic Church. Edit: to your credit, you seem to already be aware of that based on what you say later in the video, but are referring to his re-conversion to the Church.
@@StoaoftheSouth To clarify I believe he has mentioned amoris laetitia as why he left because he couldn't reconcile it because it looked like a change that shouldn't happen. He later realized E.O. has their own problems and their is a way to harmonize it. "Traditionalists" will say there isn't a way to harmonize it as well. They eventually end up staying in the Catholic Church because they don't know what else to do and wait for correction, or they become sede, or bene, or E.O. Michael became E.O. Edit I suppose they could become protestant or leave Christianity all together as other options.
Listen to rad trads long enough and you will find yourself orthodox or sedevacantist. If you’re interested in understanding why the Church of Vatican II is still the church of Nicea then listen to Lofton. If you want to hear why it is not, listen to rad trads.
@@DarthInkling didn’t the Pope pray with Lutherans and basically saw Luther was justified in what he did? Didn’t he say Luther was right his view of justification and that Catholics and Lutherans are basically in agreement now? Doesn’t he have a statue of him and made a stamp to honor him? So to be like Luther would in effect be pleasing to the Pope
Wow Michael Lofton is definitely, wayyyy too sensitive and definitely reading the comment section here. I used the term “weaponized ambiguity,” several times here and in the comments section of other videos (as have many others) and low and behold we get this response video. So Michael since you’re reading this, yes there are ambiguities in biblical interpretations. As Catholics that’s why we have the Catechism and the Magisterium, the Council documents, the Church Fathers etc, all to clear up ambiguity. The Catholic Church has always emphasized clarity to the greatest extent possible and - ironically enough - the same Magisterium that you are claiming to defend, seeks to convene Councils in order to PROVIDE clarity when legitimate issues confront the faithful. As a more traditional minded Catholic I recognize, as do many other better informed and better educated “Trads,” that there certainly were reasons to hold a second Vatican Council. It’s not realistic to say otherwise and it’s an oversimplification to believe that a Council wasn’t necessary. The Meaning of Catholic just completed a fantastic series on this. Timothy Flanders put together great hosts who did valuable research. There certainly is a great deal of nuance. The question to you Michael is this: has the Church ever previously sought to promote ambiguity? Since we’re talking about the salvation of souls, I’m asking sincerely in good faith and with Christian Charity what do you see in the aftermath? One thing Brother Dimond did get right was his point about the buildings and physical structures of the Church and it’s properties will be gone. And that is sad, but the true Church as the Venerable Bishop Sheen has stated will always be present and isn’t that what we’re here for? Please, God has gifted you with great talents so please step back and look at all of this from the outside. th-cam.com/video/q0SLoxuXq2o/w-d-xo.html
@@fundamentumveritatis If the response to this video is any evidence, I doubt TKR will realize your projected growth. Hall beclowned himself here and even his subscribers are calling out for it.
@@TruthSeeker-333 One does not need to be "infallible" in order to enjoy protection of his reputation from rash judgment, detraction and calumny. "Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty: - of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor; - of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them; -of calumny who, by remarks contrary to truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgements concerning them." CCC 2477 "If he refuses to listen even to the Church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector." Matthew 18:17
Ugh, this is really silly stuff gentlemen. He is not attacking you personally but he is attacking your positions. What's the problem with that? I think it's time to accept that since you comment in the public domain you have to accept the other side of that coin which is that you are subject to public critique. If he wants to engage you personally that's fine too but he has no obligation to correct your errors on an individual level. That you don't see this is only doubling down on your errors. Now you have even more errors to fix.
@@gch8810 yes. I welcome a fresh interpretation of Pope Leo’s teaching. Or if you can share with us some Papal sources or Magisterial documents that endorse R&R. I’ve read Donum Veritatis and the Profession of Faith (1989) and they clearly teach that Catholics must accept even non-definitive teachings with religious submission of will and intellect and the syllabus of errors condemns the proposition that Catholics are free to reject a teaching just because it is not taught infallibly.
@@Iwas11 ok, what sense can you make of this? Are the Catholic claims backed up by 2000 years of tradition falsified? Do you recommend I convert to the Catholic Church - uniting myself to a “heretic” and a corrupt defeated church - or stay Eastern Orthodox? What do I do?
@@clintufford_777 Quo Primum was not a definitive dogmatic teaching. Non-definitive doctrines must still be held, the Catholic Church is clear on that because the vast majority of doctrines are not defined infallibly. Read the section on the theological notes in Ott. Only the first two notes cover infallible dogmas and doctrines. But Ott does not say that doctrines on the other notes are dispensable. Secondly, non-definitive doctrines may be reformed by later popes or by the later magisterium. But this is very rare. We know this by the very definition. Definitive teachings are infallible and irreformable. By contrast, non-definitive teachings are potentially reformable. They may potentially be changed. But this is exceedingly rare. Third, the statement you are thinking of in Quo Primum is not a doctrine. It’s is a disciplinary decree. It is akin to the tonsure. The Pope could command all priests to receive a tonsure. All priests would be obliged to obey. A later pope could say that priests are no longer required to be tonsured. This does not violate a dogma so it is within his scope of competency. Especially as Vatican I says he has full plenary power which is really episcopal concerning disciplines and Church governance. So disciplinary decrees can be reversed, according to Vatican I. Fourth, I don’t care about Quo Primum. Regardless, I think Pope Paul IV was wrong to restrict the Latin Mass and I think Pope Francis is wrong to restrict it. Full stop. It is wrong. I would think this whether we had Quo Primum or not. Fifth, I think these papal decisions were wrong, imprudent, and harmful. But they were not heretical. And Catholics do not have a right to disobey. We can voice our concerns respectfully. But the kind of belligerent pseudo-protestant rebellion we find in the industry of dissent is extremely scandalous and leads many Christians down the road to schism. I know many ex-rad trads who are now Eastern Orthodox. Thoughts?
So many Lofton minions in the comment section. Oh well. Thanks for the video! I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice these issues with him. If he can’t recognize the idolatry in the Vatican with the Pachamama, then I cannot trust his say in other things. Period.
Im not a fan of Lofton, nor of anyone who thinks they can explain away Pachamama by calling it "imprudent" and avoiding the word "mortal sin". But from a content perspective - this video is just Ad hominem after Ad hominem after Ad hominem. Whether ML makes 3 hr long videos or has "playlists" is immaterial and irrelevant. What matters is claim and counter-claim, not the personal history of ML or how long he has been Catholic nor how long his videos are. To ML's great credit - he is way more focussed on the statements made by the person, rather than the person who made the statements. This is why he has a fast growing audience,.regardless of whether he comes across as "explaining away" or not. People are tired of squabbles between Catholics on social media. The Devil wins while we behave like Protestants with our Sedes, SSPX, Trads, conservative, liberal camps and Ad hominem each other Fr.James Martin belongs to another universe, ad hominem or not !
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Lofton has this "above it all" extremely smug and arrogant attitude. Everyone misunderstands the magisterium EXCEPT HIM and it's just so frustrating when he has to correct everyone and set the record straight on everything all the time. We are all just too dumb to be Catholic. Except Michael of course. The arrogance is simply shocking at times.
That’s how he comes across and his followers can pile on all those who disagree with him all they want, but that doesn’t change this fact. I appreciate that he believes he is defending the Church (despite my disagreements) but but he’s using tactics and approaches that are off putting to say the least. We all know how Brother Dimond comes across most of the time. However, in the debate with Cassman his presentation and demeanor surpassed Lofton’s and that’s just fact as well.
That's the exact "vibe" I get from his presentation as well. I try to subscribe and watch Catholics from all over the landscape but Loften more and more gets on my nerves bc of his manner of addressing others.
This is exactly the impression I get too
Same here
The doubts re pope's statements and actions Lofton dismisses as 'conspiracy theories'. I find his behavior narcissistic.
If you post public videos, then a public respond is fair.
Lofton is the Pope of the Popesplainers. "Loftonius locutus est, causa finita est!" 😂
He is excatly the guy the Vatican II reforms wanted in the church...
Smart , reasonable and logical ? Great ! Kennedy is a caveman
Lofton has admitted that he suffered from scrupulosity in the past. It is now one of the accusations he throws at others who take a different view than his.
He does police his comment section as someone with extreme control issues would. I don't think youtubing is for him. His skin is too thin.
I lean traditional but in no way support the SSPX. But I don't expect Kennedy to remove my comments because he seems a confident man.
I don't go as far as Timothy Gordon with anti-feminism, (about 90% there though), yet I would never expect him to remove opposing points. He's a confident man.
Matt Fradd has the discipline to just not read his comment section, which I can also admire.
Man, I feel sorry for Lofton's wife. I mean, he always has to be right. The thing is, I'm not even impressed with his intelligence. He's just parroting.
he has so few viewers and even fewer comments so it's pretty easy to police compared to actual catholic channels
Love this video. True, respectful, and to the point. God bless you and your family Kennedy, Viva Cristo Rey and Ave Maria.
Loftens videos on Marshall, Gordon, etc don't attack the people themselves, he challenges their ideas. You critique the lengths of his content, but in all fairness there is normally a lengthy q&a at the end
@YAJUN YUAN usually your videos are mere snippets that lack context and try to paint a bad picture. They scream bad faith
@YAJUN YUAN I think you should keep it up, it will ensure no Catholic or Orthodox will ever take your branch of Protest seriously.
@YAJUN YUAN “Changing modern living authorities”…that’s ironic. When did Ellen White come onto the scene exactly?
Ahhh he does. He is like a rejected teenager who can't let it go
Comparing Dr. Marshall (and others) to someone who sees demons behind Copperfield's shows, and talking about them with disregard, ridicule is disrespectful. narcissistic, maybe passive aggressive. That's Martin Luther/Luder's style.
You can't "publicly engage" Marshall because he ignores everyone. I for one appreciate Lofton offering a counter to Marshall and trads in general because critiques of trads usually come from cringe sources. He at least begins by saying he respects Marshall, et al. And if they weren't long videos, you'd accuse him of not being thorough in his arguments and missing points. Anyone knows when multiple accusations are thrown it takes 2-3 times as long to counter the accusations.
While there are certainly points I disagree with Lofton on, I have gained way more from his channel and guests than I have any trad channel.
Marshall is too classy to be drug into petty personal beefs on a public forum. He keeps his channel about the issues at hand. That's what I respect him for.
@@hamie7624 You mean classy like that time Marshall jumped on YT to discuss whether Biden had poo'd his pants? Oh man that's some real class. I remember distinctly that very same day Lofton was interviewing St Pio's cellmate. Which was classier Hamie?
@@theintegratedlifechannel I think the point of that video had to do with something bigger than just the incident. It was reflecting on the serious instability of our president.
Lofton is easily one of the biggest blockers and banners online. The R&T channel is one of the most moderated comment section I've ever seen in the Catholic space. So to critique someone else on public engagement while ignoring Lofton playing the same game is peak hypocrisy. Lofton in his early days used to have a very diverse cast of guests on his show., he even used to bring on SSPX priests. Not anymore.
@@hamie7624 his beef with Tim Gordon says otherwise
I would have loved to hear more engagement with his arguments and specific examples of Michael Lofton possible sinning against others. Over time I've listened to him and he is more and more careful about how he speaks of others. He tends to give thorough attack to their arguments and be charitable to the person he is responding to.
Hey don't let a good story get in the way of the truth now! (sarcasm)
Fully agree. Lofton does not deny missteps by Pope Francis.
But instead of building a career solely on the Pope's missteps and slamming Bishop Barron , he has tilted the see saw a bit.
He takes pains to read statements and then gives his thoughts, rather than mocking how long someone's videos are.
@@chrisxprem I like Mike but recently it seems like he has been trying to make his entire career revolve around being anti trad. An industry of trad slander
In reference to your statement I tried listening to him in regards to the FR Pavonne incident. He essentially was saying FR Pavonne was in the wrong because he disobeyed his bishop which is un true. If one listens to the in person interview with Taylor Marshal, it is clear that the bishop lied to FR Pavonne. So lofton sides with a lying modernists bishop who exercised illicit authority over FR Pavonne. I can’t in good conscience say that lofton is worth listening to. He is in error and needs to repent. He is leading people astray. He’s more concerned with his show and ego than the truth.
@Bob Tosi i hear you. But if you get a chance pls watch latest video of Lofton's heartfelt commendation of Frank Pavone going the Padre Pio route.
Mr. Lofton's channel has does more to strengthen my faith and resolve against attacks from the Protestant heretics and Eastern schismatics than any "trad" channel that does nothing but put out fear porn and clickbait about how "corrupted" the Church is. Why should anyone become a Catholic if all they hear is how horrible everything is? God forbid we have a balanced perspective to make a person happy to call themselves a Catholic.
Fair.
I like Mike a lot though he should be more even handed.
I am right there with you brother. Michael is a gift to Holy Mother Church. A more fair Catholic on YT you will not find. Save for The Logos Project and The Paleocrat
@@DarthInkling no he is not
We are all free to interpret tradition not Rome because its not the eternal Rome anymore
@@DarthInkling 😁
@@roseann5562 indeed, my one criticism is that as an Easterner he brushes the massive neo Nazi problem among the UGCC under the rug.
I feel like there is less drama amongst the Catholic TH-cam moms 😅
Come to think of it:- right?!😂
"So, yeah guys,
Calling the Supreme Roman Pontiff a heretic anti-pope apostate evil guy is very much okay, especially If you are a lay person.
BUT don't you dare post a video of my buddy Taylor because that means you're harming the Church and you're not respectable at all, especially if you're not funny.
Subscribe to The Kennedy Report guys."
Anyone who is even a little acquainted with the catechism realizes that Pope Francis has engaged in years of words and actions opposed to Catholic doctrine and Tradition.
You don't need to be a theologian to know a statement is heretical. If it goes against the catechisms, it is wrong. Theologians e.g. Torquemada have said that it is very possible for a pope to fall into heresy/schism. So it is a legitimate opinion to hold that this current one is in (material) heresy. Recall the example of Eusebius of Dorylæum, a layman at the time, who was the first to rebuke the heresy of Nestorius. The harm that Francis has caused the Church far exceeds anything that Dr. Marshall has supposedly done.
When had Taylor Marshall called any pope a heretic antipope?
@@hamie7624 One of His TH-cam video's is literally titled "Pope Francis is a Heretic"
@@seanmckinney9310 ...but not antipope right?
the family drama in the church makes it feel like a real home 😊.
Hahaha
And the Patriarch of the Church, Jesus, is going to step in to settle and correct the problems of the dysfunctional family members, so we need to pray for everyone in the family. ( Not to be taken beyond its relevance or to be unduly critical, but , ML needs to loose the tats. At least he should not be displaying them on his videos. This should be easy enough,, so I have to conclude that he is displaying them intentional, which is, itself, a red flag. - Body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, Scripture making reference to not marking one's body that way, men should not be decorating themselves, - but need I even explain?)
:) When I miss my narcissistic family I watch The Family sketches of Carol Burnett Show. And i laugh and cry. Enjoy
😂🤦
HAHAHAHA. So funny and so true!
So basically a layman criticizing other laymen is a problem, but laymen criticizing the Supreme Pontiff is OK
The supreme Pontos as twice by Lee the first commandment both in Rome and in Canada that is a fact. He is also not been factual in recommendations of Vatican two and a Bandan cardinal sin the Chinese and instead yes entertain celebrities who are proportion yet will not back or even see a cardinal and bishop of his church.
No my friend. A prideful laymans interpretation of Canon law and councils in order to place an anathema on someone is the problem. Lofton is smart but is not correct on every matter nor is he the majesterium. Everyone has a personal bias to claim Lofton doesn't is pure arrogance. You can see it seeping out of him on every video he makes.
@@SarmadLach oh shoot. Lofton is placing anathemas on people??? Please link the video and timestamp for us
Laypeople are required to know heresies in practices and formal statements.
@@tonywallens217 Lofton is effectively anathematizing others without stating it that way, yes.
Let's try to increase our prayer rather than stoke the quarrel. I have been guilty of this myself, but recognize that it's not helpful.
Probably start with the side doing 4 hour streams daily on other content creators
@@CatholicBossHogg Thanks for your suggestion Bryan
@@24erstad glad to help. Enjoy the block coming from lofton though if you post something like this over there
@@CatholicBossHogg Ok, will do
Wise words Ryan
Yes, Mike Lofton is a HUMONGOUS problem. I NO longer watch his channel.
He's a humongous something, alright.
Ran across his channel one day, lasted 10 min. and have never gone back. The guy is insufferable.
He doesn't feed your hate enough? Sorry about that
@@jd3jefferson556 Bro, Popexplainers vs NON-popexplainers. I know which side you are on.
@@speedygonzales9993 okay
Michael Loften and The Logos Project are incredible.
Ever since hearing their arguments, I have found sedevecantism and the SSPX stance entirely unconvincing. The arugments of the SSPX simply do not hold up against the history of The Church and previous actions of popes. But because I was ignorant of history, for a few years, I was trapped circling around those mentalities. Now I am free! When I finally stumbled across his channel, it took Michael Lofton about 5 minutes to completely dismantle their positions. And he didn't do it by being clever or making fun of people, he did it by simply educating me on the history of The Church.
I am now at peace within The Church again. Fighting still, but the fight is finally making sense. The gates of hell have not prevailed!
All prophecy (including Bible) says the true Church will be reduced to a minimum. Lofton refuses to face the historical plot against the Church inside and outside. So, just slide into more modernism, or face it. The gates of Hell will not prevail against truly dogmatic teachings, but the buildings mean nothing without proper behaviour and dogma.
What are you fighting then?
@@WestsidePredator the devil and sin maybe? Idk
@@TonyT-jn9vf no don’t say “idk”. He’s not talking about the general fight against the devil and sin in this context. If all is well within the institutional hierarchy of the Church- what are you fighting, and why does that fight make sense?
@@WestsidePredator there's obviously several crises going on in the Church because the Church is full of sinners and being attacked by the devil
Everyone defending Lofton but let's be really honest- he IS childish. I have posted relatively mild criticisms of his videos on TH-cam, not even trying to defame him or anything. And he takes everything extremely personally and blocks right away. He did the same thing to me after I disagreed with him about the Padre Pio moving that had Pio dropping the F bomb (not important). He blocked me and posted a video about my comment. The dude LIVES online and is extremely sensitive.
He has great talents that he could be making better use of
@@kcollinsgallhollcom agreed. Michael has a lot head knowledge but is spiritually immature.
No, this video was childish. The only person Mr. Hall discredited in this video was himself.
Yeah when I heard about cursing in the Padre Pio movie. I was bummed but then again Europeans do curse a lot! So I guess that makes it authentic. Well i can't wait to see it!
Responding to Taylor Marshall is important. The review video on R&T of Infiltration was really important because it exposed the fact that Marshall cited sources that didn't claim what he was claiming.
Anyway, anyone who has watched Michael Lofton knows this critique is a straw man of Lofton.
I'm just a bystander, but it's not helpful to just trash someone without specific evidence. At least Taylor Marshall had cited his sources. I am not interested in smear campaigns. I am interested in the truth. People like you are worthless.
Total chad take
I've watched Michael Lofton and therefore know it isnt a strawman, proving you wrong.
@@hamie7624 I don’t think that works the way you think it does.
@@NoahBradon how not? he said anyone who has watched lofton knows this is a strawman, yet i have and I don't, so he is wrong.
With all due respect, if you don't watch Michael Lofton (See 1:18) then by what basis do you critique him?
On the basis that Lofton blocks people when he gets called out for his behavior and fallacious arguments.
@@gregorymackinnon7485 I'm aware he blocked people. But how can someone who doesn't watch his content know his argument is fallacious?
@@gregorymackinnon7485 Lofton isn’t perfect just like the rest of us. Your point has nothing to do with the original comment.
@@bethanyann1060 It has everything to do with the OC. Lofton doesn't like pushback and he hides behind blocks.
@@gregorymackinnon7485 There is nothing stopping anyone to make counter arguments to Lofton's points yet nobody is doing that but instead attacking his person. Why?
Michael Lofton has a video where he’s exasperated with his audience for not being won over by his argument on some pope Francis related topic. This was about 8 months ago and I was just blown back by his audacity in laying the blame on his audience for not thinking “well, Lofton settled that issue. On to the next!”
I find he mentions that often, it's not his arguments that are the problem - it's you!
@@jayehm8075 And with his other behavior I find it narcissistic.
There is no humility or heart in the way he engages with his audience. He is purely in his head and ego.
There are a lot of ad hominem attacks in his smug responses. He declares someone who disagrees as "scrupulous" or "Protestant" or "schismatic". Like he has the knowledge or authority to declare these things.
Then he blocks/bans anyone in the comments that doesn’t fully endorse his argument.
Lofton makes multiple videos a day and is commenting on publically available content; some of it comments on Catholics, but much of it does not. Mr. Bocca also doesn't like Lofton's length and style...that's a preference, not a critique.
It's also funny that you kept bringing up the Gordon video, since Lofton actually supports Gordon many times throughout that video, but as you admitted, you didn't watch it. Your critiques are pretty weak gentlemen.
@YAJUN YUAN Yep I just finished the video yesterday
Lofton and Gordon have a good relationship with each other. They are able to disagree amicably.
I don't always agree with Mr Lofton, but I surely do recognise his voice and knowledge as valuable. You just went full frenzy on him, but with no substansive arguments. For instance, him doing long documents does not prove that there is something wrong with his work; him addressing different people does not mean he is going after people, but he is challenging the subject matter discussed by other voices; him being unfaithful to Christ is probably the reality of every human being daily. I also think you should expect to be challenged by any person at any time, if you are a public speaker / TH-camr, without special notification.
You should have done him justice and recognise his knowledge, his logical argument, his inquisitive mind, his place among commentators. And when you go after someone next time, you should give strong arguments. If you think he disrespected a priest, you should validate this. Having a strong or opposite opinion to someone else is not a sign of disrespect.
Frenzy? Is criticism of his smug ways and his arguments for pope cope a frenzy? No. Relisten and take notes in a more equanimious mode.
Well said. Lofton always states that criticizing someone’s views and statements is not the same as attacking them personally. These people dish out criticism but can’t take it themselves.
@YAJUN YUAN Okay?
Ah come on. He is passive aggressive.
@@bethanyann1060Lofton constantly personally attacks people and lies
Is Narcissistic Personality Disorder the answer to this problem?
Actually yes. I sense a lot of what we all have to wade through is due to ego or non neurotypical wiring rather than true work of the Holy Spirit.
Praise God for Lofton's work saving me and many others from the rad trads and anti-catholic Catholics
I used to be an anti catholic protestant,
And if it wasnt for people like Lofton i wouldve become an anti catholic Catholic and probably an apostate anti catholic because of the horrible anti catholic channels online
Your comment sounds sophomoric. Not meant top be insulting, although I realize it sounds that way, but you are new to Catholicism and it seems apparent that you don't understand the more complicates situation going on right now and the implications to that. It's good that you became catholic, but it is not the traditionalists who are crossing over into heresy, apostasy and paganism. It's a complicated time to become Catholic. The True Church IS to separate from the Aspe of the Church. These are not usual times. Keep an open mind and keep your eyes open. You don't want to be ushered into the False Church. Blessings.
@@finallythere100 u accusing the church of apostasy/paganism etc... why would anyone even become catholic if what u said were true?
Can you even objectively point to the church u are part of?
Do you have a Pope you are in communion with?
Do have a magistrerium?
Do u also reject the 1989 profession of faith?
So-called radical "traditionalists" are anything but traditional.
Condemning the church and picking and choosing what to believe.
Ecclesiology sounds a lot more like Martin Luther than true traditional catholicism
It seems you remain one.
@@UncleKlausSchwab- The anti-Catholic Catholic....
@@finallythere100 talking to yourself?
He’s a narcissist. He can’t help himself - even when he was supposed to be on holiday he “had” to make videos! R&T used to have other commentators but now it’s just him pontificating on everything. He even calls out eminent theologians and bishops - none of whom he contacts prior to nor invites them on - to discuss their arguments.
He was on vacation in Costa Rica and I commented on his video saying I don't think the Padre Pio movie is bad and he immediately made a reaction video. It's textbook.
A Narcissist can mean someone with full blown NPD, such behaviors or traits. It's better to say: 'I see his narcissistic behavior'. Only someone competent in this matter like Dr. Ramani or Sam Vaknin can give him an exact diagnosis. I'm glad you've seen through him. Most of the people can't recognize such behaviors due to lack of knowledge and efforts, time it require. Narcs behave like ordinary people and only repetitive pattern of negative behaviors can expose them. see: '10 Christian Boundaries for Narcissists with Fr Dave Nix and Dr Taylor Marshall' God bless you
He berated a catechumen for saying they didn't completely understand an issue and having earnest questions.
Lofton told them to not to weigh in on his videos until their formation was complete.
How is a catechumen to learn except by asking questions?
His ego is out of control.
I'm certain that his wife had a super fun time on that trip. He cannot stop himself from constant right-fighting. He's always right. Must be super fun to be married to Lofton period. *wink*
He definitely comes off as extremely narcissistic. I began to suspect that he purposely attacked other Catholic apologists on TH-cam to get views. He doesn't come across as a person who cares about the faith or inspiring people to become Catholic. He's only doing this for $$$. The more drama he creates, the more views the more money he makes off of TH-cam. He's arrogant, and he has a very fragile ego. He's made it big off of TH-cam but that right there is a not someone I would want as my mentor. Blind obedience or get lost... I chose to get lost. I'm no puppet.
The amount of responses he's made, especially on radical traditionalism, is because there are so many channels that are leading people astray in one way or the other and he has to put in a lot of work to try and correct them. The reason he has so many videos on Taylor Marshall is not because he thinks Marshall is the best proponent of his position but because so many people tune into Marshall. Which means a lot of people are being influenced by him and not in good ways a lot of the time. It's the same reason he addresses a lot of popular videos so that people that may have been negatively influenced by them can be shown why it is harmful and he can help correct it. Plus the fact that Michael is reviewing so many videos and putting out a lot of other videos and content as well is a great thing and shows how hard working and intelligent he is because if you watch the videos you will see he has a very developed view of theology which is what a lot of rad trads are gravely missing.
Michael addresses videos of people attacking Holy Mother Church in one way or the other and he does it so people stay faithful to the Church. If you think Michael is wrong then do a video correcting his viewpoints, he's always open to charitable criticism. But please don't start questioning his character and slandering the man because you know and everyone else knows you have no real response to his points.
There is no such thing as "radical traditionalism." Lofton should not be doing videos like this about other people attacking them. It's as simple as that.
Go over and take a look at Chris Stefanick on Agustine Institute. All of his videos are exploring some topic or teaching something. His goal is to educate people and build up the Church, not get into little infights.
Even Kennedy doing this video might be borderline doing the same thing, though I understand if he feels like he needs to address this behavior. But generally a youtube channel or apostolate should not have attacking other people as a core part of their content.
@@TheKevin9000 there is such a thing as radical traditionalism. It's also know as dissenting from Church teaching. Lofton is doing videos about Radical Traditionalism because, as I stated above, in many cases they are open dissenters from Church teaching. They are the other side of the coin with leftist catholics like James Martin.
The reason they need to be addressed is because they are actually leading people away from orthodox Catholicism by calling into question Vatican II, the Pope, etc. They have a deficient view of the Magesterium and how Catholic authority works and they mess up a lot of new Catholics who are converts from protestantism and EO. Lofton addressing them is actually helping out Holy Mother Church and it helps keep new converts to Catholicism because they now have a sufficient view of Catholic authority. A lot of the people who go Sede, or Beneplenarist, EO, or Agnostic is because they follow this Radical Traditionalism trend to its logical conclusion.
Lofton isn't attacking anyone personally or trying to judge them, he's just trying to correct their viewpoints so they don't scandalize others. There's nothing wrong with correcting a brother and calling them to the truth. There's also nothing wrong with dialouge or debate or reviewing such material. The only caveat is that these critiques should be done charitably which I think Michael aims for everytime he does a video. He may not be perfect at it but he does a great job in my eyes and nobody is perfect. I also think Michael's videos help educate and build up the Church in correcting error and by teaching beautiful Catholic doctrine. He is amazingly educated in the Magesterium and that is one area in Catholic circles that is sorely avoided and I think many others should start addressing it as well. So I think Michael has a ton to offer and his videos are very instructive and informative in a lot of ways.
Also Michael is not attacking people he is attacking positions, there is a big difference. Can I not say the exact same thing about Hall and say he attacks people when he criticizes them. Because if critiquing a position is attacking then I know for a fact he attacks the Pope, the Bishops, Priest, laymen, etc, etc. Michael attacks positions not people but I understand it can be tempting to attack the person but Michael avoids that and all to his credit. I'm not sure I can say the same thing about Mr. Hall after this video since he didn't address Michael's points at all and just attacked his character.
@@michaelhodges2391 Having eyes to see and ears to hear is mentioned many times in the Bible. When Catholics see things such as the Pachamama event, the venerating of Luther's statue in the Vatican, the Assisi prayer meeting events, the kissing of the Koran, the way faithful Catholics including Cardinal Zen have been betrayed in China, they know that that's NOT Church teaching. Calling it out is NOT dissent, rather it is upholding the perennial teachings of the Church.
@@Mar--Mar you can call out bad things you see in the Church. The prime example is the abuse of minors that caused and still is causing great scandal in the Church and was a great evil. The problem is a lot of these traditionalist commentators only cover scandal 24/7 and have their audiences exposed to scandal or supposed scandal 24/7. The main problem though is that they tend to use rash judgement instead of sound judgement and have a hermenutic of suspicion rather than a hermenutic of charity.
I would agree there is nothing wrong with calling out problems in the Church, which oddly enough is what I think Michael Lofton does better than anyone. The problem is that most of these 'problems' are not as extreme or as exaggerated as those who expound on them want you to believe. They create more problems than are actually there and it scandlizes people further and even worse a lot of it is unjust judgement on the Pope, the Bishops, the Vatican, etc.
I would check out shows done by Lofton on those very topics you bring up to me and he critiques the people involved fairly and explains some things that may be ambiguous
Nope. You’re wrong. Lofton doesn’t know that much. And he absolutely can not refute Ann Barnhardt! She is ten thousand times smarter than Lofton.
I stand with Michael Lofton. He has brought many people to the faith that I know in real life. I love Michael Lofton. God bless him!
Yeah we heard your weird obsession with him 7 times in the live chat. Relax he's married.
@@SarmadLach much love in Christ brother 🙏
He is okay on some Protestant issues.
@@clarekuehn4372 I personally stayed in the Church after the material they put out when he was doing apologetics agains the Eastern Orthodox. If not I would have converted a couple of years ago.
Get help
I have always found Lofton to be super arrogant and haughty.
Lay intellectuals in general are a problem in the Church today. While I agree with most of the criticisms you guys level, I’m not sure how helpful a video like this is. Those who are looking for a well-read lay guy with letters in front of his name to Catholicize the pope’s APPARENT errors are going to keep watching Lofton. Those who take the pope’s words at face value don’t have to. The reason there is such a market for lay theologians is that we don’t have any good clerical theologians to engage over these issues. Pray for holy priests and bishops (heck, and a holy pope!) to help us out of this mess.
Fr. Chad Ripperger, Fr. Vincent Lempert, and many more can teach a lot.
Great video on the subject. I first started listening to him today and glad to confirm my doubts on his take on things.
In the opening statements alone, after saying you don’t even watch his channel, y’all call him out for doing public response videos (to statements that are also public, as public figures yourselves); tease him for the length of content he posts by exaggerating their length and suggesting he’s not witty enough; you straw man his position by claiming he says everything Pope Francis does is “just fine” (note: he doesn’t do this); and then you say he should “get lost” because you disagree with his more nuanced take on the controversy of Pachamama. And I’m only 5 minutes in. This is disappointing, not to mention uncharitable. The irony runs deep.
It’s very obvious these people are reacting emotionally to Lofton without actually listening to his side.
@YAJUN YUAN Do you know the full conversation that went on between them? If he blocked him, it was either deserved, or childish on Michael’s part. Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that Michael is right on this issue. Harping on his shortcomings only detracts from the actual issue being addressed.
@YAJUN YUAN Kennedy (and others) were taking the word of demons from a possessed person concluding that they always tell the truth when compelled by a priest. Michael commented on that being shaky reasoning to trust demons. Which is a very valid point. Kennedy made an entire video defending Lefebvre based on what a demon said. Odd.
“Nuanced take on Pachamama”. Problematic words if there ever were any. Tell that to Fr Mitch Pacwa
@@aloyalcatholic5785 when you quote someone, don’t leave out words without indicating you have. I referred to it as “his more nuanced take on the controversy of Pachamama.”
Kennedy, if I hadn’t stopped listening to Taylor Marshall I would’ve long since run away screaming from the Catholic Church. I would’ve just stayed eastern orthodox. Does Taylor Marshall lead people to schism? In fact I know quite a few ex Catholics who are now eastern orthodox because of Taylor Marshall.
I am not going to leave the eastern orthodox church for the Catholic Church if the pope is a heretic. Period. Give me a good reason to become Catholic from your point of view. Lofton has done just that and brilliantly! If it weren’t for him I wouldn’t be converting to the Catholic Church.
Are you Catholic because of who the pope is? Sounds like papalotry
@@kcollinsgallhollcom If the pope is a raging heretic then why should he be in communion with him, from his perspective?
Undertake some basic catechism learning and stop with your nonsense.
@@kcollinsgallhollcom that’s not what I said. I might agree that Pope Francis is one of the worst Popes in history, but I am not going to join a Church that has both Vatican I and a heretical pope. Those two things contradict and falsify the Catholic claims. I can stay Eastern Orthodox if I want to think the Pope is a heretic. And canon law (as well as many magisterial sources) specifically prohibits Catholics from slandering the pope or spreading information that harms peoples’ faith. If the Pope could be a heretic or if an ecumenical council could teach harmful doctrines then the Catholic Church is no longer indefectibile. And here is a newsflash: converts are not hoping to join a Church that has been utterly defeated or completely falsified!
Give me one good reason to be Catholic from your point of view. Not “you should be Catholic because the Catholic Church is the true Church.” Eastern Orthodox think that about the Orthodox Church. You have to make a case that the Catholic Church is at least somewhat adequate or you are not even in the game - Eastern Orthodox think their church is amazing and the best. How do you counteract that with your sad complaints that the pope is a heretic and the church has been defeated and nothing is good about the Catholic Church? Really hoping you respond, because maybe, if you are right, I should just stay Eastern Orthodox. I know lots of ex-rad trads that have converted to Orthodoxy.
@@gtaylor178 I am reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Baltimore Catechism, Christ Our Pascha (the Ukrainian Catholic Catechism), the Code of Canon Law, the documents of Vatican I, the documents of Vatican II, Ott, Bellermine’s Catechism, and the syllabus of errors. Nothing in there about the pope being a heretic, an ecumenical council teaching harmful doctrines, lay people being permitted to slander the pope and the bishops, or that defamation of the Church being permitted. What nonsense are you getting at?
Lofton does not come over as a nice guy or indeed the sharpest tool in the box. When Lofrton speaks he tries to sound 'reasonable' but always fails!
I beg to differ, I think he comes out very kind, knowledgeable and reasonable.
By the way -- not to take away from the topic, which is important and good -- but this is the first video (Kennedy) commenting on a video (Lofton) that is commenting on a video (Marshall) that comments on a video (original source) that I've ever seen. Big day
Lol
Hahaha
Gentlemen, this was quite sad. I came here to watch a rebuttal of R&T’s content but instead wasted my time listening to bantering and character assassination of Mr. Lofton. I have been regular viewer of R&T for a couple of years and have never heard Mr. Lofton personally attack anyone. His programs always focus on critiquing content and not persons.
Not true, he is just more subtle.
I just unsubscribed from Lofton's channel. He is most uncharitable when engaging with his audience's comments. He needs to exercise some humility in areas where there is room for differing opinions.
I saw how he treated a catechumen who had earnest questions. He told them to refrain from commenting until their formation was complete. He was condescending and told them that they couldn't possibly understand. Well, that was why they were asking questions! That is no way to treat people wishing to enter our church.
I'm not on board with all of Kennedys views either. I'm not radical or coming from that angle.
@@pconnorscole243 I saw how he went after the catechumen. The catechumen didn't even disagree. They said they didn't understand and asked a couple of questions. He was cruel in his response and I thought it was rather rich coming from someone who's only been Catholic for 2 years.
His responses to anyone who does disagree are ad hominem attacks. He labels people "Protestant", "schismatic" and "scrupulous". By what sort of personal knowledge and authority can he declare that to be the truth about people?
He's even worse on twitter. He purposely seeks conflict. So much so, that it appears to be a strategy to build his channel. It's what he's accused Taylor Marshall of. It's hypocritical.
You’ve never seen Michael Lofton personally attack anyone? Then you aren’t a regular…. Or even an occasional
you have clearly never watched or listened to Lofton
Pray a Hail Mary for Kennedy, Mr. Bocca, and Michael. We need God's grace to heal these wounds.
Oh, please. How condescending can you be?
@@carolynkimberly4021 Too late, already prayed. Can't take em back
@@24erstad Then say a rosary for Lofton.
@@carolynkimberly4021 In my original comment I petitioned prayers for all three, but that's not a bad idea Carolyn. I'll remember Michael in my Rosary tonight.
@@carolynkimberly4021 There’s something wrong if you read that to be condescending, just saying.
Looking forward to your response regarding John Salza video.
Spoiler: "John Salza is a problem....because um he's a bad dude and stuff..."
@@Desert-Father The whole “he’s a problem” phrase sounds like something the mafia would say.
@@bethanyann1060
Or a Muslim
What is going on? I think he's trying to get his subs up by bashing "rad trads".
This ^^^^^^^^^
Michael Lofton is popular because he takes down cliche mad trad and SSPX talking points, and has helped the faith of thousands of Catholics. You can call it "mental gymnastics" or "long-winded" as much as you want, but he is on the side of the Truth of the Faith, not SSPX types. R&R is untenable theologically and creates either sedevacantists or orthos when you follow the money, as evidenced by Cassman's massive failure in the debate with Dimond.
How is insulting Catholics beneficial? If I call you a milquetoast catholic how does that help? We are all Catholics navigating an appalling pontificate which looks like getting worse through a synod. History is littered with truth tellers who were once called mad. Christ was radical lest we forget.
@@UncleKlausSchwab Dimond has recently destroyed and exposed Lofton’s ignorance
If that is the case, why hasnt he been invited to a panel of speakers of other great Catholic figures. I wish he could do a debate LIVE with a theologian. How about invite Fr. Ripperger to his show?
From Ireland. Thank God for Michael Lofton, Logas , John Salza and Andrew Bartel. All a breath of fresh air. Our lord Jesus found his Church on the bedrock of St. Peter , his Apostles and their successors. Our duty is to Pray for our Pope Bishops Priests and eachother. This is the way Jesus set up his Church. Unfortunately Archbishop Lefebvre separated himself from the Authority of this Church in disobedience. He thought he knew better . SSPX still hold on this erroneous mindset. We all need to study the Eight Commandment and reflect. God protect us all from rash judgements, especially against God's Elect. 🙏☘️
Honestly you thank God for:
1. A man who has changed Creeds 4 times in a single decade (unstable)
2. Don’t know Logas
3. Two long time SSPX chapel goers who now spray vitriol against their own friends. Funnily enough, ask them if they’d ever attend the Novus Ordo, or if they’d accept the writing as is of the Abu Dhabi statement, or Amoris Laetitia. I’ll bet they’d sound awfully SSPX’y there.
From Ireland yet you still can't see the rot that caused apostasy in our land? Tell me where Francis had reprimanded the apostates in Belgium or Germany, and Ireland?
The sides are forming up between those devoted to Mary and those who are not. I’m convinced of this. Catholic commentators not praying Rosary can’t lead. They themselves arn’t aware of it. We see because our mother is protecting us.
I have never understood how anyone can stand to listen to Michael Lofton. He is extremely obnoxious,arrogant and very childish. Be a man,Michael!
I mean if this was a cult of personality contest, Michael surely would not win.
Reading these comments way after the original post, it's clear that Loftonites are more easily offended than Swifties.
It seems like you're missing the forest for the trees. True Christianity is about how to love. It seems you're getting lost in the weeds and losing sight of that, similar to how to Pharisees did. Having correct doctrine is utterly useless if you don't realize your spiritual life should be centered around embodying Christ's love. Take some time and reflect on what's important. I'm a Catholic convert, btw.
No offense but that is quite a protestant way of looking at things. We are called to call out, with charity, others. To love someone is to will the best not just love them where they are at. It is that distortion that is a tumour in the Church. If I do wrong, yet I can't see it, I want others to call me out. To love someone is to help them get to heaven.
@@UncleKlausSchwab I don’t believe in “loving people where they’re at” in that sense, so you’ve misunderstood my position. The Bible is clear, however, that the doctrine you intellectually subscribe to is secondary to the love in your heart. This isn’t a Protestant position, it’s Catholic teaching. The man who has the best grasp of correct doctrine in the world but lives an unrepentant life is in a much worse spot spiritually than a repentant Mormon or Muslim who loves the best that he can given the information he’s aware of.
Pharisees? You mean the vengeful people who invaded Vatican II and have since wrecked the Church?
@@UncleKlausSchwab Thank you for pointing this out. God bless you.
Completely disagree with you on this Kennedy. Michael is Is doing really good to defend the Faith. You say he’s anti traditionalism, but he’s the one defending Traditionalism. Sad to see this video.
If we could just stop hyphenating our Catholicism and JUST be Catholic, nothing more nothing less, this is the surest way to Sainthood.
Nah at this point he’s defending legalese while ignoring that Rom is burning. Maybe he should be called Nero Lofton
There is one substantial point in thirty minutes. At least Lofton's 3 hour vids actually have stuff in them.
Yeah lies
22:40 // I began to attend RCIA classes in preparation for my conversion to Catholicism. On Easter Vigil of 2012, I was received into full-communion with the Catholic Church alongside my best friend JC Gaspard and his wife, who were on the same journey as I was. //
Stated by Michael Lofton back in 2015.
I don’t understand how Lofton can call fellow Catholics dissenters when he has a private crowd funded chapel and priests that come to him
I don't understand this comment. He's in full communion, he just 'leveled-up' his prayer area to a full chapel where a priest could say the liturgy.
@@volusian95 If only we all had our own private crowd funded chapels in our homes, and priests that came to us. Then maybe we would be fully Catholic instead of dissenting at the TLM two hours drive away
He goes to tremendous lengths to not attend the Novus Ordo, all while telling you you are a heretic for criticizing it. Lofton IMO has no reason to be Eastern at all. I can only understand his preference for the east as obstinate and he must repent..
Not to mention he goes to a Greek Orthodox parish instead of the Novus Ordo
Dude you dont even understand the whole of it. I went to his little monthly eastern catholic liturgy one time and basically spent the entire day at his house in Louisiana. I asked him in conversation where he goes the other three sundays of the month when he cant get an eastern catholic priest to his house (the nearest eastern catholic church is 5 hours away in Irving texas at st basil's) He told me that he attends a local greek eastern orthodox church.
Yeah, you read that right. He attends a schismatic church, surrounded by literally half a dozen or more western rite churches, and his only excuse was some weird vague explanation on how he wanted to raise his kids in the eastern rite for consistency among other smaller reasons. The dude was literally CONFIRMED at the local cathedral of St Matthews which is a novus ordo mass church.
Also just fyi Ive been watching Michael since 2020 and hes played a part in my conversion to Catholicism. HOWEVER, he has mentioned this fact NOT ONCE on his channel and his reluctance to share this info with his audience is extremely shifty and disingenuous. But I could think of a few reasons as to why he wouldnt want to share it.
Look at Taylor Marshalls comment section, you can clearly see he’s leading people into schism. People criticize Lofton without actually refuting him.
He is unbelievably arrogant and vile. So glad you guys made this video. He makes the combination of all the Gordon brothers and Michael Voris worst moments seem like a teaspoon of sugar. He’s soo annoying and lame. I wish he would just go away.
So does anyone know when the new Michael Lofton mixtape is out?
"Don't call it a divorce" will be dropping Hanukkah 2022
@@CatholicBossHogg Wait a second... that's hilarious. A low blow, but hilarious.
@@JW-hx2bz Could you explain it please?
@@kevinrhatigan5656 I'm assuming Bryan is making a low brow humor joke at ML's first marriage being annulled but poking fun at it by slyly saying that it actually was a divorce. I could be wrong but that's my guess at least.
@@JW-hx2bz I see... But what about the Hanukkah part?
*Protestants converts to Catholicism thinking everything is fine*
*Catholics arguing among themselves*
Me: Welcome to the family 😂
😂
Great comment! 😅😅😅
You failed to mention the obvious third point, "Catholics then convert to orthodoxy" but welcome to the family
@@TommyGunzzz Dream on!
@@Mar--Mar all hail Pachamama
Just watched this today. Seems pretty clear Lofton is following the Mark Shea path...right down to the uncharitable sniping and echo chamber cultivation.
I don't think you guys know how poorly this reflects on the two of you. He has literally called Francis's pontificate "Perhaps the worst pontificate we've seen", and the most you two can manage are loose attributions of hurting sspx feelings, and accusations of 'long and boring content'. Did you even prepare before you decided to drag his name in a manner that you yourselves accuse him of doing? If this was meant to charitably rebuke a brother in Christ it has thoroughly failed in the saddest and most flaccid manner. The title alone made me double check I hadn't accidentally stumbled upon a Vox video, or other such leftist complaining nonsense.
When did Lofton convert? JPII's pontificate was far worse because it led to all the problems that dragged down Benedict, and are dragging down Francis. People calling Francis the worst reflects poorly on their knowledge of papal history.
Lofton also used to call Vatican II a failure, which he did in a video when he had Eric Sammons on the show. Guess what Lofton did, he deleted the video. And when I asked where the video is on facebook, he unfriended me. Also on "SSPX feelings," Lofton used to have SSPX priests on his channel several times. Not once did he put any hard questions to them, those critiques that he now always expresses. Few years later he now just hammers the SSPX behind their backs, refusing to allow those same priests to come on. Not sure why you think Lofton is above criticism?
@@hajduksplit698 Never insinuated once that Lofton was above criticism. The video above was not actually criticism, it was old lady church yard gossip without serious confrontation of specific criticisms they have of what Michael has said. Believe it or not I came here looking for a serious critique of Lofton, I always want to check what I listen to against dissenting voices to test what I think I know and hold fast to what is true, but this was decidedly not that. Shame.
@@BrazilianPride22041 Why would you come here for a critique rather than for example the several debates that Lofton and Flanders have had?
@@hajduksplit698 So sorry, didn't know I couldn't do both.
Once I placed an invitation from Ubi Petrus (UP) to take part in an online debate with ML in the comments below ML's video. UP offered 250% time to ML, the debate was to take part on a third party platform with independently selected moderators. ML deleted my comment. I placed the comment twice more, but the comment was always removed. Following that I was blocked by YT for 24h.
He is such a disappointment 😥...
Kennedy: Michael Lofton is a very sad but dangerous case of one who wrongly believes that he has special theological insights that others do not possess, and so in a pride-filled effort to try to elevate his own status as a "master theologian," which is laughable on its face, he frequently attacks solid and dramatically more intelligent theologians via straw man and red herring arguments. Indeed, he very much resembles Pope Francis in his disdain for much of sound Catholic tradition.
Moreover, in his oft-times irrational defense of Pope Francis, he also employs the Obi Wan Kenobi "These are not the droids you are looking for" when the Pope makes extremely problematic statements or takes various actions that deserve to be criticized objectively, but in Lofton's simplistic mind, the criticisms of the Pope's statements and actions are fantasies, and that's why he declares them to be "not the droids you are looking for" when in point of fact they most definitely are and need to be properly confronted.
Pray for him while continuing to counter, when appropriate, his practiced gaslighting that is indeed harmfully Jesuitical in many respects. God Bless.
Hello everyone, this is Pope Francis, my internet is down, so I’m having to use this viewer’s comment box to communicate my immediate and most recent promulgation. This is for My faithful servant Michael Lofton. Dear Michael (can I call you Michael), thank you for upholding my supreme and omnipotent authority over all the church. Please be so kind (and submissive) as per my Imperial request as to sell all of your property and assets and give the earnings to the the title holder of this comment box ‘godogsgo100’, as he is very poor and in need. Thank you for your prompt attention in this matter. Please be reminded of the consequences for disobeying the Pope (that’s me). Have a glorious day.
Careful, or else Kennedy Hall is going to make a video about how you're not funny.
Hahaha
Weird critique against Michael.
More or less, they are saying: “he’s very thorough and good at explaining his position, so that’s a problem.” Just make better arguments guys, don’t trash Michael Lofton.
Trashing is different than criticizing. Grow up. This is a public airing like a formal debate, but with one person refusing to engage. He is good on some Protestant issues.
@@clarekuehn4372 i think you are filled with hate and i will pray for you
I entreat you to investigate the difference between sophistry and sophia. Mike falls on the former too much and needs to face this criticism.
@@ancientdweller309 She said nothing hateful.
@@gch8810 but “Grow up” charitable right …. ?
Thank you for addressing this. At first I appreciated Michael’s effort to give Francis the benefit of the doubt, and be sceptical of some seemingly widespread Trad or conservative claims but he does not give his interlocutors the same treatment he gives Francis. In fact he’s been overly sure of himself, disrespectful and seems to make no effort to understand the basis of other people’s arguments or their reasons to be engaging in argument.
If you have the knowledge to demonstrate that the Pope is innocent of the many accusations of heresy from Catholic podcasters you don't owe those people respect. They're leading people into dangerous error. If lofton is correct then the other people weighing in are ignorant and unqualified to be speaking on the matter or they're doing something much more sinister. If you're going to accuse the Pope of heresy you better have the knowledge and facts to prove it.
The rebukes need to be loud and public. Not to shame anyone but because that's the only way to set the record straight for all the people who have listened to this stuff
@MichaelMaedoc Sounds like you're talking about Taylor Marshall, Michael Matt, Anthony Stine, and all the rest of these "educated" clowns. Full of anger and self-righteousness.
How many shows spend all day bashing the Pope and V2 ? , one guy has a show defending the magisterium from the bashing and he is a problem? Misrepresent the Pope = ok ? Misrepresenting the SSPX = How dare you ?. Sorry if I seem disrespectful, but honestly this is what I took from the video,
The only people who have thinner skin than Lofton are apparently his fans in this comment section. Lofton throws shade at every other public catholic commentator and then his fans cry when someone throws some back 😂
Bullseye! All the simps come out of the woodwork.
Unfortunately, correct
Imagine being part of #TeamLofton like this is sports or something 😂 Every time his name comes up it's because he talks about other people. I didn't know who this guy was until he starting ripping on Marshall. That's called a grift.
Fanboys
Isn’t that team a Wolf Pack moderated by females, respectively? Seems like Kennedy’s snare worked.
I would love an actual numbered list of all the errors,bad statements, heretical speech of Pope Francis since 2013...and then I would make a thousand copies,and disperse them all over N.O.Parishes
That's not going to be a list, but several volumes.
Isn't that what the website Denzinger-Bergoglio did in web form?
Novus Ordo Watch should have you covered
Go to lifeSiteNews and search Pope Francis errors. I will try and find for you.
Kennedy - Have you ever had a discussion about the "Blue Collar Catholic"?
He's another recent convert to the Church who thinks that the current status is just peachy and that the Pope should never be criticized.
He has never attended a TLM and sees no problem with Pope Francis restricting it.
I have watched some of his videos where he really slams Taylor Marshall and takes him totally out of context.
So his videos are too long, he’s not funny, and he’s newer to the faith than others/has made mistakes in his past. That’s what I got from this.
"The horror!!!" 😱
He is not newer because he is actually a real part of the catholic church. A person who was born into the SSPX is not a canonical part of the Church
So its a joke to say he is "newer"
It’s stupid to call Marcel Lefebvre Martin Luther. Only a dishonest person or someone who really doesn’t know or understand Lefebvre would say that
@@katholischetheologiegeschi1319 SSPX are not schismatics.
@@gch8810 ask your bishop
I notice in the comments that "Ventura" claims "...if Lofton is correct, then theres nothing wrong with being a schismatic - b/c they're also saved."
In fact, Lofton claims the opposite, in two ways:
1. He claims that being a schismatic (grave matter), if coupled to full knowledge and full consent of the will, results in mortal sin;
2. He claims that persons who die in unrepentant mortal sin are not saved;
...and he spends a lot of effort on criticizing dissent as being borderline schism. His only qualification is that the dissent may often be a result of ignorance (of how the Magisterium works) or deception (knowing what the pope has said/done only through the mediation of persons who willfully misinterpret the pope's words/deeds in a hostile way). If the dissenters are ignorant or deceived, then their borderline schism is NOT coupled to full knowledge and consent.
That's what the guy says. Anyone who listens through his "Magisterium playlist" hears him say this over and over.
Given this, it's hard to see how "Ventura's" claim could be both informed, and honest.
Don't misunderstand me. Lofton may very well have been uncharitable on Twitter. And for all I know, Lofton's understanding of the Magisterium -- he leans very heavily on the manualists, and on the CDF's commentary on the concluding formula of the Professio Fidei -- might be mistaken.
But we can't be credible critics of what he says if we spend all our effort falsely claiming that he says stuff that's the opposite of what he actually says!
Exactly. There’s too much ad hominem going on without engaging the substance. People who do that tend to not have a leg to stand on, or else lack confidence in their position.
Very interesting! I had no idea he converted just a couple years ago. I watched a new video by him this week, interviewing a Catholic priest about the writings of St. Francis de Sales, during which he crossed himself twice in the Eastern Orthodox way, with the thumb and first 2 fingers grouped together, like they do it; touching the right shoulder first, then the left.
He’s an Eastern Catholic. Goes to Byzantine rite.
@@chriscoke2505 Thanks. I didn't know Eastern Catholics of the Byzantine Rite crossed themselves the same way as the Eastern Orthodox do.
@@kenmcrae8591 I don’t know it for sure to be the case, but since they get to keep all their ancient rites and customs it wouldn’t surprise me at all
@@kenmcrae8591 I went to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy one time and it was extremely different. They did multiple things differently. I didn’t key off on the specific way they crossed themselves but they would cross themselves as they bowed and some other things which made it hard to see
See and ppl still think Michael Lofton is a problem, most trads are given to highly judgmental histronics like this one "he didnt cross himself in the Latin way!!!!" If your judgment about a fellow Catholic is rash how much more so do you judge the Pope who is under so much sensational media hyperbole
Lofton is incredibly childish.
I myself am not a super huge fan of Michael Lofton. I find his videos to not be very entertaining I am also not a fan of content farm YT channels. The one thing that really annoyed was when he said that FSSP priests should be made to say the new mass in conjunction with saying the old mass. Just to make sure that they didn’t have any schismatic attitudes essentially treating the new mass as a litmus teat for obedience.
Not only that, He, Michael Lofton, thinks he can now advise (dictate to?) the FSSP, who have been around for many years, and have gone through many struggles and endured many hardships for the sake of the true Faith. Extraordinary temerity.
@@Mar--Mar that's up to the hierarchy
His (and his audience's) behavior reflects that of the left. They can't have differing opinions and are very quick to silence earnest questions/concerns asked in good faith. I've seen michael and his mods do this on several occasions. It doesnt surprise me that he would say that about the fssp. It's his "witch" test for them.
I've seen Michael's and others videos refuting Taylor Marshall... honestly 99% of the time I just assume they're making the videos to try and build their channel by tapping into Taylor's large audience. Maybe that's cynical but Taylor Marshall has one of the biggest followings on Catholic TH-cam and so for a smaller channel to make videos about him is going to draw attention from his audience to their own channel.
Or the reason he makes videos about him is because he is trying to reach the myriads of people who follow that borderline schismatic. TM should be ashamed of himself with how he is leading people away from the Church.
How often do you actually see serious responses to Taylor Marshall?
Lofton has also led people away from the church. He labels people who disagree with him as schismatics and Protestants. He argues to them that a traditional stance is anti-Catholic That it is disobedient, anti-Rome and anti-papacy. Some people take that sort of ad hominem attack as truth and think they must be in the wrong church.
I just read a response in this very comment section from "GP" who recounted how Lofton led him to Orthodoxy. It's far from the first time I've heard this.
When he criticizes TM, it is hypocrisy. They are just at opposite extremes of the same problem.
@@theincensedcatholic He is quite petty at times... makes videos about really small stuff, his channe is more like reason & gossip than it is reason and theology
He's refuting Taylor Marshall because he's a complete hack and nut job.
"Michael doesn't have decorum and is not acting Christian, lets critique his humor and make sure that everyone knows he apostatized in his past" Satan loves irony . . .
There is a longstanding standard of Catholics with an inconsistent past to stay silent on matters, at least for a good long while after a reversion. Michael’s arrogant behaviour in this regard shows he is very much in the post conciliar mold, with this as with everything else
@@aloyalcatholic5785 how does an inconsistent past disqualify someone from making valid points? Everyone has an inconsistent past; this video is 30 minutes of inconsistency and yet they’re able to speak? Is the preconciliar mold really just gate keeping?
Humour? I suppose telling people other Catholics are leading people astray is humour? I'd hate to see his stand up routine if that is the case.
Michael Lofton, unfortunately is trying to be a professional Catholic. He's been Catholic for what, a week? Hasn't been tried to be like 13 versions of Christianity?
What's the time limit?
The funny thing is in all his 2,000 videos criticizing other people's mistake, Michael was never as nasty as you were in this video, making fun of his conversion story. He delivers content in quantity, quality and nuance. You guys couldn't even engage his material. For example, he recently showed how Pope Leo XIII's Epistola Tua directly refutes R&R, but instead of responding to his material, you just made fun of him
Why are you so soft? They didn't make fun of him - You seem like someone with the fortitude of 5 year old.
They don't need to respond to that, here. Why bring it up? I hear iron calling out to sharpen a man, not nastiness.
@@CatholicBossHogg why jump to insults? Just engage with his comment directly without making fun of him yourself. This video claims to be a serious critique of Lofton, so it welcomes serious criticism from others.
He is VERY nasty to people on twitter and youtube comments. He removes all critical comments after basically calling you a heretic for disagreeing with him on minor unimportant matters.
@@jimmysheehan5496 I have written critical comments on his videos. He responded strongly (as one should), but never deleted any comment of mine, never made fun of me. He disagreed with my views, but he didn't resort to ad hominem. Tell me one minor unimportant matter for which he has called people heretics.
I was hoping to hear some pushback on some of his arguments but it was just about how you don't like the guy because he disagrees with you on some things, is not funny in your opinion and he converted too recently.
I can see why he talks to Flanders and Gordon but not you, aynone would block you after making this kind of video about him, and for good reason.
All ad hominem and no substance.
@@DarthInkling It sounds like ad hominem when you recount the attacks of another.
Flanders, Gordon, and Lofton are all able to have a discussion with one another and charitably disagree with each other, when they actually disagree. They are a great example of how Catholic brothers should act towards each other.
There is zero point in pushing back on his arguments because he will never accept criticism as valid.
@@jimmysheehan5496 That sounds like a lame excuse for not actually having any valid pushback.
I like you, Kennedy, but this video was unnecessary. I was looking for an actual problem, but you only criticised his style and credentials, really.
Don't stumble into the mire. Your opinion is important, when it is focused on helping us navigate the marsh of nonsense we have all been plunged into. Please stay the course.
Fair enough, BTW, to criticise his opinion when he is justifying the pac#$@ama thing or genuine heresies. On board if you are warning against this. But the rest, just ignore.
Are a lot of Kennedy viewers also Lofton fans or did Lofton fans just flood the comments here?
Looks like Mike has more followers who can't unplug.
I watch both men regularly and have gained much insight from both. Lofton fans are pretty loyal so it's also possible that they just flooded the comment section...I just sigh. Everyone needs to remember 1 Corinthians 1.
@@phoult37 kennedy is a sick freak
I love both. Lofton is a personal friend, so I'm also sad about the conflicts.
Fan of both here
Michael Lofton has always exhibited charity and clarity. He makes valid points, not emotional claims.
this is laughable
@@jimmysheehan5496 you are laughable
Michael starts off almost all of his videos stating it is going to be a "charitable" discussion. But just because you call it charitable, doesn't mean it will be if you behave the way he does.
Respectful Debates and refuting arguments with facts is not a lack of charity. We live in a time when everyone feels entitled to express opinions but yet also entitled to receive a positive response. Logical arguments and critical thinking don’t work that way. He’s never made fun of anyone, he’s only respectfully criticized their views. We shouldn’t be snowflakes.
Block out those who disagree and continue to operate in an echo chamber.
With all the Catholics making videos on TH-cam about the Pope. How many of them have gone to the pope first before making their video?
Only valid criticism which can be weighed against Lofton from this video…is he is quick with the block.
The only other part which could be valid is the DM comments and not making the DM public…like if it’s true, just post. Otherwise isn’t just a baseless claim.
The rest of the “criticisms” are just two boys pretending to be men who fail to understand anything Lofton has stated. Man…this really was a ramble.
Hope y’all hit the views you wished with this video.
I bet you thought you were being real charitable too.
Hes made himself a gatekeeper
Michael Lofton is the reason me leaving Catholicism for Orthodoxy..... Just saying, he forced my hand (obviously not directly) and made me realise my traditional stance isn't traditional and disobedient and anti-vatican one, so I either submit to the Pontiff or go orthodoxy which I have....
I think that's because, ironically, ML's position is closer to sedevacantism in that it doesn't allow for any discrepancies, and zero contradictions. Its logical conclusion is just in the opposite direction of sedevacantism. At the end of the day he is just a layman and isn't the magisterium. He can throw historical church quote after quote, document after document, this council said this, so on and so forth, but only the magisterium can interpret for the magesterium. Not michael lofton. The crisis the church faces is from lack of clarity from the hierarchs. I pray for your return to Catholicism. I believe as things go on in the church and scandals get to a point where no one can deny what is happening, his audience will be in a cognitive dissonant dilemma.
I can see how he has driven people away from the church in this way.
He often pronounces those who disagree with him as "Protestant" or schismatic". He doesn't have the authority to do so. He's not even an expert, being Catholic for only a couple years.
I pray more people do not leave the church due to a blowhard.
I used to enjoy his videos back when a lot of them were critiques of typical Protestant slander against Catholics. Then he started attacking us TLM goers calling us Schismatics all because of valid concerns over some of the Pope’s questionable things and the various abuses and hippie guitar music in the NO mass. He sits up on his eastern rite high horse criticizing us TLM folks telling us we are leading people into schism when he was the one that left for orthodoxy and came back 😂 I still watch some of his videos and think it’s important to have his insight to bring us traditional Catholics back down to earth, just like it’s important to have the Taylor Marshall’s of TH-cam in order to question some of the scandals going on. That being said I’m really getting tired of his smug narcissistic arrogance and his whole smarter than you attitude. Only thing left to do is pray I suppose.
I respectfully disagree. I have listened to many of his videos criticising SSPX and the Sede, and every single time he states that he does not personally criticise the people attending TLM, but he does criticise what has been publicly stated by the SSPX and Sede churches. He gives quotations and sources. You may disagree with him, but your statement is misrepresenting what he actually says in almost every single video when he talks about those issues.
And yes, it seems he has the same concerns about the abuses in the NO masses and adresses them.
But to deny that the Sede are schismatic and that there appears to be no intention, at least in the official US SSPX branch, to resolve the canonical irregularity (to say the least) with Rome, is pure denial of facts.
Why not make things easy:
- if you despise V2 and everything it represents, if you hate the current Pope and consider him a heretic, if you have never anything good to say about the current Catholic Church and just reminisce about "the good ol' days" you never lived through, then, face it, you are no longer Catholic
- if you find that V2 is ok but certain things irk you and would like to work within the Church for change, if you understand that the current Pope is a pastoral (not a doctrinal) pope addressing himself to the heathens more than to Catholics and that he is imperfect and can make what some would consider as mistakes but not heresies, if instead of looking to the past, you look to the future and would like to find ways to bridge the divide between Catholics, then you are still a Catholic
What I do find extremely sad, is that Catholic YT, in general, seems more intent on criticising the Pope, the magisterium, going on about V2, criticising this bishop and that bishop, criticising one another and adding personal political views in between 2 sentences... in the meantime, the ranks of atheists and pagans are growing and anticatholicism as well.
@@nerdanalog1707really? I see him making fun of traditionalists
I started watching him but then he's defending Amoris Leticia and sometimes it's ok to be remarried and receive Holy Communion so I quit watching him. He talks in this calm soft voice like that's supposed to make him persuasive. Lol!
Michael so much desires to be important.
I’m a former Presbyterian currently attending a small Melkite Catholic Church in my neck of the woods. The biggest problem I currently have with the Church is the squishiness and seemingly spineless Magisterium and specifically Pope Francis, who disappoints me nearly at every turn. People like Lofton that try and tell people that the Pope’s farts smell like roses hurt the credibility of the Petrine See and the church at large. Leaders need to be held to higher standard than the average layperson because of the responsibilities they possess. There is absolutely nothing wrong, imho, with critiquing the unhelpful/harmful things that the Pope may say-we should of course also remember him in our prayers 🙏
I actually went to war with Lofton over the 62 Missal. That man is a CARD. I personally can't stand him. I'm well read and I presented arguments DIRECTLY TO HIM that he has YET to respond to.
My grandma used to say, "Sometimes, people just like to hear themselves talk."
Just to correct something, around minute 23:00 you said that Lofton had been Catholic for two years. He was actually Catholic, I think wrote for the Remnant, then went into schism and then came back into communion with the Catholic Church.
Edit: to your credit, you seem to already be aware of that based on what you say later in the video, but are referring to his re-conversion to the Church.
It's interesting to note that he went into Schism because of his former more "traditionalist" views.
@@jonathanbohl He went into schism because of scandal, at least that's what I am to understand.
@YAJUN YUAN Anything and everything is scandal to you so that is understandable.
@YAJUN YUAN I'm not entirely sure I understand your meaning.
@@StoaoftheSouth To clarify I believe he has mentioned amoris laetitia as why he left because he couldn't reconcile it because it looked like a change that shouldn't happen. He later realized E.O. has their own problems and their is a way to harmonize it. "Traditionalists" will say there isn't a way to harmonize it as well. They eventually end up staying in the Catholic Church because they don't know what else to do and wait for correction, or they become sede, or bene, or E.O. Michael became E.O.
Edit I suppose they could become protestant or leave Christianity all together as other options.
Listen to rad trads long enough and you will find yourself orthodox or sedevacantist. If you’re interested in understanding why the Church of Vatican II is still the church of Nicea then listen to Lofton. If you want to hear why it is not, listen to rad trads.
Exactly.
They have adopted a Protestant ecclesiology. The are in effect Lutherans
@@DarthInkling it definitely leads to a less Catholic understanding of ecclesiology
Protestants= we can interpret scriptures without Rome
RadTrads= we can interpret Tradition without Rome
@@DarthInkling didn’t the Pope pray with Lutherans and basically saw Luther was justified in what he did? Didn’t he say Luther was right his view of justification and that Catholics and Lutherans are basically in agreement now? Doesn’t he have a statue of him and made a stamp to honor him? So to be like Luther would in effect be pleasing to the Pope
Wow Michael Lofton is definitely, wayyyy too sensitive and definitely reading the comment section here. I used the term “weaponized ambiguity,” several times here and in the comments section of other videos (as have many others) and low and behold we get this response video.
So Michael since you’re reading this, yes there are ambiguities in biblical interpretations. As Catholics that’s why we have the Catechism and the Magisterium, the Council documents, the Church Fathers etc, all to clear up ambiguity.
The Catholic Church has always emphasized clarity to the greatest extent possible and - ironically enough - the same Magisterium that you are claiming to defend, seeks to convene Councils in order to PROVIDE clarity when legitimate issues confront the faithful.
As a more traditional minded Catholic I recognize, as do many other better informed and better educated “Trads,” that there certainly were reasons to hold a second Vatican Council. It’s not realistic to say otherwise and it’s an oversimplification to believe that a Council wasn’t necessary.
The Meaning of Catholic just completed a fantastic series on this. Timothy Flanders put together great hosts who did valuable research. There certainly is a great deal of nuance.
The question to you Michael is this: has the Church ever previously sought to promote ambiguity? Since we’re talking about the salvation of souls, I’m asking sincerely in good faith and with Christian Charity what do you see in the aftermath? One thing Brother Dimond did get right was his point about the buildings and physical structures of the Church and it’s properties will be gone. And that is sad, but the true Church as the Venerable Bishop Sheen has stated will always be present and isn’t that what we’re here for?
Please, God has gifted you with great talents so please step back and look at all of this from the outside.
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Michael Lofton is simply trying to gain notoriety and money by trashing those most Faithful to our Lord. He should be ignored.
No, that's what Kennedy is doing. Lofton's channel is bigger than TKR.
@@fundamentumveritatis If the response to this video is any evidence, I doubt TKR will realize your projected growth. Hall beclowned himself here and even his subscribers are calling out for it.
Lofton is infallible guys. He is the magesterium, us trads are too stupid too understand anything.
@@fundamentumveritatis Just look in the comments, there are a bunch of his subscribers telling Hall how this video was in poor taste and beneath him.
@@TruthSeeker-333 One does not need to be "infallible" in order to enjoy protection of his reputation from rash judgment, detraction and calumny.
"Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty:
- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;
-of calumny who, by remarks contrary to truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgements concerning them." CCC 2477
"If he refuses to listen even to the Church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector." Matthew 18:17
Ugh, this is really silly stuff gentlemen. He is not attacking you personally but he is attacking your positions. What's the problem with that? I think it's time to accept that since you comment in the public domain you have to accept the other side of that coin which is that you are subject to public critique. If he wants to engage you personally that's fine too but he has no obligation to correct your errors on an individual level. That you don't see this is only doubling down on your errors. Now you have even more errors to fix.
Pope Leo XIII condemned recognize and resist in 1885. So in order to recognize and resist Pope Francis one must also recognize and resist Pope Leo.
Did you get that from the new Lofton video on the topic?
@@gch8810 yes. I welcome a fresh interpretation of Pope Leo’s teaching. Or if you can share with us some Papal sources or Magisterial documents that endorse R&R. I’ve read Donum Veritatis and the Profession of Faith (1989) and they clearly teach that Catholics must accept even non-definitive teachings with religious submission of will and intellect and the syllabus of errors condemns the proposition that Catholics are free to reject a teaching just because it is not taught infallibly.
With that logic, isn’t Quo Primum still binding ?
@@Iwas11 ok, what sense can you make of this? Are the Catholic claims backed up by 2000 years of tradition falsified? Do you recommend I convert to the Catholic Church - uniting myself to a “heretic” and a corrupt defeated church - or stay Eastern Orthodox? What do I do?
@@clintufford_777 Quo Primum was not a definitive dogmatic teaching. Non-definitive doctrines must still be held, the Catholic Church is clear on that because the vast majority of doctrines are not defined infallibly. Read the section on the theological notes in Ott. Only the first two notes cover infallible dogmas and doctrines. But Ott does not say that doctrines on the other notes are dispensable.
Secondly, non-definitive doctrines may be reformed by later popes or by the later magisterium. But this is very rare. We know this by the very definition. Definitive teachings are infallible and irreformable. By contrast, non-definitive teachings are potentially reformable. They may potentially be changed. But this is exceedingly rare.
Third, the statement you are thinking of in Quo Primum is not a doctrine. It’s is a disciplinary decree. It is akin to the tonsure. The Pope could command all priests to receive a tonsure. All priests would be obliged to obey. A later pope could say that priests are no longer required to be tonsured. This does not violate a dogma so it is within his scope of competency. Especially as Vatican I says he has full plenary power which is really episcopal concerning disciplines and Church governance. So disciplinary decrees can be reversed, according to Vatican I.
Fourth, I don’t care about Quo Primum. Regardless, I think Pope Paul IV was wrong to restrict the Latin Mass and I think Pope Francis is wrong to restrict it. Full stop. It is wrong. I would think this whether we had Quo Primum or not.
Fifth, I think these papal decisions were wrong, imprudent, and harmful. But they were not heretical. And Catholics do not have a right to disobey. We can voice our concerns respectfully. But the kind of belligerent pseudo-protestant rebellion we find in the industry of dissent is extremely scandalous and leads many Christians down the road to schism. I know many ex-rad trads who are now Eastern Orthodox.
Thoughts?
Why did Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI say the SSPX has "no Canonical status in the Church" and cannot legitimately administer the Sacraments?
But theyre allowed to administer absolution/confession? And you can fulfil your sunday mass obligation by attending an SSPX mass? Its confusing to me.
I'm glad others are noticing this.
Joe and Gordon are friends? Did Gordon finally drop his anti SSPX stance?
No he didn’t, but Gordon is able to be friends with people he disagrees with.
So many Lofton minions in the comment section. Oh well. Thanks for the video! I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice these issues with him.
If he can’t recognize the idolatry in the Vatican with the Pachamama, then I cannot trust his say in other things. Period.
Exactly. Michael handled the pachamama incident negligently.
The arrogance and cognitive dissonance is strong in this video.
I mean those are fruits of their spirit
Im not a fan of Lofton, nor of anyone who thinks they can explain away Pachamama by calling it "imprudent" and avoiding the word "mortal sin".
But from a content perspective - this video is just Ad hominem after Ad hominem after Ad hominem.
Whether ML makes 3 hr long videos or has "playlists" is immaterial and irrelevant.
What matters is claim and counter-claim, not the personal history of ML or how long he has been Catholic nor how long his videos are.
To ML's great credit - he is way more focussed on the statements made by the person, rather than the person who made the statements.
This is why he has a fast growing audience,.regardless of whether he comes across as "explaining away" or not.
People are tired of squabbles between Catholics on social media.
The Devil wins while we behave like Protestants with our Sedes, SSPX, Trads, conservative, liberal camps and Ad hominem each other
Fr.James Martin belongs to another universe, ad hominem or not !
This comment is 🔥
Great point 👍👍👍
I love your comment, and I wholeheartedly agree, but this one line -- "Fr.James Martin belongs to another universe, ad hominem or not !" -- is GOLD!
So Michael Lofton and Joh. Salza have intellectual pride but you don't?
Yes