@@brianluis4248 eastern “orthodoxy” is an absurd polytheistic religion which worships uncreated energies as God even though those energies are infinitely lesser than and distinct from the Divine Essence.
If you think Bob Dimond was convincing, wait until you see Ryan Shenouda's documentary The DeSecration of (")CathOlIc(") Places [th-cam.com/video/Uqr0oTDqy50/w-d-xo.html] [th-cam.com/video/O_bcsBJ3O-U/w-d-xo.html] (2020)!
Agreed. He is one of the best from the roman church: highly intelligent, but he makes almost genius-level gymnastics to prove doctrines which cant be proved in his other videos. Always enjoyable to hear him. God rest
Cassman was DESTROYED. The idea that you can't "know" if there is a heresy being said unless there is a formal authority stating it, this is absolutely nuts and absurd.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
When I witness a murder take place in broad daylight, I don't need the authorities to let me know who the murderer is. I know it because I have seen it and heard it from the beginning. Official denouncements and penalties come later from the authorities when they finally arrest the criminal and figure it out.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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@@denisebraganza Correct, but don't hold your breath. That is not coming soon. The Roman judicial hierarchy is filled with heretics. What is coming soon however is the Judgement of Jesus Christ on Bergoglio. In the meantime every true Catholic has the duty to defend the faith by calling out the enemy it sees, otherwise you would be a coward. Don't be fooled by titles, just look at what happened to Nestorius.
@YP Poe - I can't send links. Sometimes it will work if included in comment below the vid, but not if I comment in reply from notifications. I have to write out tittles to books , article or vids...(Can you write it out?) Thanks.
You answer yourself. If Jeff Cassman calls the traditional Catholic Benedictine monk Peter Dimond his brother, it is because Jeff is simply telling you to your face that he is following the heresy of the Second Vatican Council, but what heresy? that of calling brother in faith, separated brother..., anyone who professes faith in Jesus Christ. If Jeff were a true Catholic, of course he wouldn't call the Benedictine Catholic Brother Peter Dimond "brother," because Jeff in his supposedly Catholic conception would know that this monk would not be a true Catholic, but the proof is right in your face: Jeff Cassman IS A MODERNIST HERETIC OF THE APOSTETIC AND HERETIC SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, who is calling everyone who believes in Christ a brother, as the PESTILE DOCUMENT ON VATICAN II ECUMENISM says: UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO NUMBER 1 Here in Unitatis Redintegratio numeral 1 of Vatican II you can see Jeff's HERESY of calling those who believe in Christ "brothers", separated brothers, this without caring to the Masonic Council that those "separated brothers" are heretics and that they are the doors of the hell from Matthew 16, 18. The difference with brother Pedro Dimond is that HE IS CATHOLIC! And Jeff's own weakness in calling a monk who he considers a rebel against the authority of the Church and therefore outside its bosom, only reveals himself as a heretic, why? because he absorbed the HERESY of the Second Vatican Council of calling HERETICS separate brothers, and Jeff is part of those MODERNIST HERETICS
Bro. Dimond is very prepared. It is to hard for the other debater to defend any of the post conciliar Popes. Bro. Dimond uses their own words to indict them. Great debate, great fun. Thank you!
they changed the words of consecration for the wine its invalid, thats why the harlot is always identified with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Bro. Dimond seemed prepared because he is, and has been debating heretics and false Christians for many years. He has done extensive study on Church teachings and the magisterium, amongst many other writings. I've followed MHFM for years and have yet to find error or contradiction in what they propose.
I know Matt Fraddie does a lot of click bait to appease reach and view counts but at some point you have to think, some of the stuff he is propagating is just scandalous and perhaps even sinful for giving it a platform. You are not to give errors rights, just like with Protestantism.
@@louisIXco Saints and even doctors of the Church held the sedevacantist position. To ask for this to be censored is far from Catholic. Cassman was absolutely destroyed in this debate. And I think it was because he was wrong. If U want to censor speech it’s probably because u can’t defend ur position
@@louisIXco I am not a sedevacantist, but Dimond clearly won the debate. So the scandal does not come from Matt for hosting the debate, but from Jeff’s lack of research to properly dismantle it
If you liked this church-crisis-related content, may I present a content which gives over, among others, Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the TH-cam video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Over the last 35 years I've heard the words "in the spirit of Vatican 2" many times. I never heard a priest or Catholic educator say the words "in the spirit of Florence". Something is wrong.
The reference to "in the spirit of Vatican 2" or pre-or post vatican 2 is because the Catican 2 Council from its procedures and execution of those procedures and the "shananigans" and suppression of opinions to push through the "changes" were earth shattering. Even Paul VI regretted it. I am reading the 3 book series by Michael Davies and it is eye opening!!!!
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Cassman had no chance… When brother Diamond asked “Do you believe Pope Francis Professes the Truth Faith? From his external actions”. He lost the debate at that point.
@@TCM1231 But we can assess if someone professes the true faith, if you can't do that then you can't know if you're even following it yourself. As for salvation that's a matter for God and God alone - we all recognise that.
@@TCM1231You don’t have to have magisterial authority to recognize someone is speaking blatant heresy. That doesn’t mean they are going to hell or even that they are anathama, just that they are speaking heresy and must be corrected. For example, saying allah is YHWH is simply false and contradicts most of Christian theology since the rise of Islam.
Thank you Brother Peter. And you are still undefeated in all your debates. The Truth can never be refuted! May God continue to bless you and MostHolyFamilyMonastery
I loved being in the chat for this one. It was an absolutely chaotic experience in the best way possible. Shout-out to the mods who tried their best to keep things relatively civil, and thank you to Matt for setting up this debate.
If you liked this church-crisis-related content kept civil, may I present a content which gives over with absolute objectiveness, among others, that Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the TH-cam video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
Br. Dimond is so on point that Jeff could not even handle him... he almost went ad hominem. He lost BIG time... Br. Dimond.... WOW.... won hands down. NO DOUBT.
"Brother" Peter, who is neither a Catholic nor a monk, is an extremely dangerous false prophet who teaches heresies and consistently and knowingly misrepresents scripture but gets away with it by burying his opponent under an avalanche of trivia and non-sequiturs, even citing parts quotes that argue against his own positions but framing them as if they support his positions by leaving out significant parts of the quote. Please watch Counsel of Trent's rebuttal, for the well-being of your soul.
You shall the Church is no-longer visibly on earth. Jesus Christ said " upon thee i will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail." What am i to do? I prefer to believe in Jesus Christ.
@Curtis MH Trent Horn Is a heretic and Br. Peter refutes Trent Horn response. Trent Horn was trying to correct Br. Peter without Dimond being there. So trusting Trent Horn Is a bad idea.
@@johnjones8315 First of all, he isn't "Brother" Dimond, because he isn't a real monk, and neither he nor his brother "Michael" have repented of repeatedly lying about being monks. Secondly, his name isn't even Peter. Thirdly, he didn't "refute" Trent Horn. He addressed the lowest hanging fruit from Horn's video, while ignoring everything else that was said. Fourthly, the Dimond brothers' position cannot coincide with infallible Catholic teaching because it is a pseudo-Catholic cult. If there ceases to be a visible Church, then Catholic teaching is wrong, the Church is not infallible, and the whole thing falls apart at its foundation. Anyone who claims that the visible Church can cease to exist is not Catholic.
Just the fact that this conversation is taking place is saying a lot about the emergency that is on going in the church. Questions are similar to "what is a woman?" A: "I am not a doctor."😔
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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@E5nklodrthb Romans 11:2-4 God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture saith of Elias; how he calleth on God against Israel? 3 Lord, they have slain thy prophets, they have dug down thy altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the divine answer to him? I have left me seven thousand men, that have not bowed their knees to Baal. The whole context is that Elijah didn't bow down to baal, just as St Paul didn't remain in judaism. It's talking about how the ethnic people aren't just damned because of their ethnicity. If they put on Christ, they're saved
@E5nklodrthb Israel means the few jews and the gentiles which accept Christ. this is clear in the scriptures and basically all commentary ever on Romans: Not all the Jews were blind; some of them recognized Christ. But the fullness of the Gentiles comes in among those who have been called according to the plan, and there arises a truer Israel of God … the elect from both the Jews and the Gentiles. - St. Augustine
I'm listening carefully and I have a great respect for Jeff, but I must admit that Bro. Peter Dimond got a interesting point and all what he had said until now it's totally correct and well funded. 🙏🙏🙏
We need Bro Dimond more. I'm a Catholic, but Bro Dimond arguments are strong and solid rocks! We will never leave the Church, but we need to unite and cleanse the Church of any heresies
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
He really doesn't like vatican 2. He needs to make friends in Rome with Cardinals that are not stone cutters if he can find them. The get the Gagnon report or get a way to expose them.
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Bro. Peter clearly won this debate. Anyone who says otherwise is intellectually dishonest. It doesn’t necessarily mean sedevacantism is triumphant, but it does mean it was clearly better presented than the non-sedevacantist position.
I'm not a sedevacantist but I'll occasionally rewatch this debate just to witness again how badly Jeff was beaten. An absolute masterclass in debate from Peter Dimond.
Thank you Matt Fradd. This has been a wonderful experience. Based on this debate, Peter Dimon made far more superior arguments and conclusions. God bless you Matt. Greetings from Port-Harcourt Nigeria
Another Nigerian? Doesn’t it feel like just about our whole continent is usually left out from so many of these discussions? And it also seems unfortunate that the faith came to us so late in the game, and that heretics were also spreading their ideas, worst of all being that Islam has such a strong grip on a lot of the continent below the Sahara.
@YP Poe But isn’t this all important information and truth that *all* mankind _must_ know and believe to be saved? Also, on the matter of exclusion, it feels like the Asian continent is in sort of a worse situation at times. So many countries under so many false religions or none at all (like India, China, etc) and the only even nominally Christian nation there is the Philippines… And that’s the most populated continent on Earth.
Maybe you are right. But the fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@CatholicHusband I never said they are wrong on Francis being an antipope. Further, they are not merely potentially wrong about end times prophecy, they misrepresent the Third Secret of Fatima's content, it has dire consequences (as the importance of the Secret in itself suggests), besides that they and their supporters have their own theological problems, one of them being the heresy of Nicolaism. Brother Peter denied he is one of the Two Witnesses, but he not only is one of them, he is also destined to inccur the temporary espiritual death belonging to them, namely, the Nicolaitan heresy.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
What's insane is that Cassman actually said, near the end of the debate, that a heretic can still be a Pope. Earlier in the debate, br Dimond had cited several Catholic teachings which says it's impossible for a heretic to be Pope.
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As an outsider who studied for a few years and strongly considered converting, I must say, the sede position was the only option that made sense. It seems increasingly clear that VII Catholicism is a different religion from traditional Catholicism.
Convert Catholicism doesn't mean you should be an irrational pro-papacy. Being Catholic demands you keep reasoning on how to be closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Matt, I commend you for hosting this debate. It shows that you are willing to reach out to Catholics that you don't agree with but are willing to give them a forum to lay out their case. Just to be clear, I am not a sede and this debate did not change my position. However this debate has made me more sensitive to the concerns that sede's have and I really respect you for allowing your channel to be used as a forum to make these concerns known to a wider audience.
"Free Speech" isn't a Catholic Virtue. There's a reason certain ideas/books were banned. Bad ideas spread like wildfire, and can damn many souls. I mean just look at Martin Luther!
Hello @Claudio Tarabocchia. Is not about sympathizing with anybody or not, overall the debate shows how things have deteriorated so bad in The Church. The level of faithlessness on the part of souls who have been given the light of the Faith to be Soldiers of Christ is so scary. Until we put the commandments of our Sovereign God into practice, would we know healing in the Mystical Body of Christ that is so wounded.
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The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. Maybe the Percelli list in its original published firm. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
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No such thing as living like the Devil all your life and then having a last minute Death bed change of mind because you're afraid to die, thinking you can cheat God and still get into Heaven! *Matthew 25:31-46 refutes this.* Christianity is a life long commitment to Jesus with good works as evidence of our Faith.
Just to be clear the Jews covenant has been absolutely revoked. Salvation ONLY comes through Jesus and His Church. Amazing this would be “controversial” in our time.
Well you’re dealing with a group of apostates and children of the Devil who at this moment have control of the world from the shadows, the first who became the last. It explains why it’s controversial. They fooled the whole world into believing that an extermination happened to them 80 odd years ago after all.
In a time of looking like the end of days, if you were charged with getting out and ‘saving’ as many people as you could before the curtain closed, how would you go about it? Would you stay at home and pound your desk repeating the (NT) ‘laws’ you have been taught expecting a proud world to either yield or perish, or would you seek to go and and talk to anyone and everyone who needs saving by engaging them on their own terms (without yielding your own doctrines) until they might see the tiny light filled tunnel that leads from the way they are thinking to a true understanding of Jesus, his sacrifice, his mission and Heaven ?
Brother Dimond seems to be closer to the truth, in our modern times, where the faith is being greatly distorted. I think he’s won this debate with Cassman.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
His concerns are all our concerns. The fact that there are bishops or cardinals at vatican 2 were freemasons. Baggio, Bugnini, etc. Maybe even Bergolio
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@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Dude, come on. Bergoglio wasn't even ordained as a priest until 1969, so why would you try to lump him in with bishop and cardinals who were at VII? This is the sort of 'argument' that makes sedes look foolish, regardless of how much crap gets thrown at the wall in hopes that something sticks.
The folks involved in V2 simply didn’t want to rock any boats. Anyone standing up and saying, “Hey, something smells funny here,” probably would’ve been ostracised and removed from any positions. How do you have an unchanging church that changes? You can’t have a church that has a certain set of principles and beliefs, then suddenly makes a 180. I don’t understand why people involved with V2 didn’t look at what was being changed and yell about it. Maybe it’s simply human failing. This is all so similar to the current legal system in the US. If you’re on the correct side, you don’t get charged and prosecuted. If you’re on the wrong side, you’ll get charged and prosecuted all day long. So the layperson’s claim that nobody else in the church thinks the way the brother does isn’t an argument. I don’t care if 999 people claim that stealing is ok, and there’s 1 person saying it’s not ok; the 1 is correct. Catholic beliefs are not a debatable subject, because they weren’t instituted by us. They were instituted by Christ and therefore cannot be changed. Full stop.
@@catholic9694 you are the one who is talking rubbish. His treatment of scripture is very poor - when he is not actually making up his own interpretation, doing away with the entire witness (bar one voice) of Sacred Tradition. Just then he showed that he cannot be taken seriously (even if he goes on quoting Bellarmine).
Brother Peter is well-versed in many points he makes, but let it not deceive you as to the fact, contrary to some of Brother Peter's arguments in the debate, the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@jamiejaegel7962 Declare, not discern. Also, we are missing the point, jt wouldn't actually matter if the pope was a heretic anyway, because the charism of infallibility protects him from officially teaching heresy. That's like the whole point of the charism. A bad pope is still a pope, with real authority and (thank God) the privilege of only being able to officially teach orthodoxy.
There is one argument he used that could have been crushed like doritos chips: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@sambrittenden4045 It is a dogmatic issue and it is in fact connected to sedevacantism, because if the Dimonds are correct in saying the promised period of peace has already come and no further crumbling is to be expected, this means the Dimonds and their milieu are likely to remain traditionalist, whereas the Secret implies the crumbling/apostasy will get to them and their followers infallibly (which means the dogmatic issue will get to them in the form of their dogmatic corruption). So the Dimond position falsifies the Third Secret of Fatima. It also falsifies the Third Secret and muddles the issue of Sedevacantism insofar as, according to Malachi Martin, the Third Secret describes a sede vacante, a false facade secularized church ruled by an antipope and a legitimate pope eventually connected to an underground church. The Revelation passages connected to the Secret (Revelation 8 to 13 according to Sister Lucia), and in the context of Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser's interpretation of these same chapters, indicates a new Pontiff will arise bearing the title of Ark of the Testament. The Dimond brothers told me personally this proposition is a satanic superstition meant to increase my punishment in hell. So if the Secret holds true in saying, according to Malachi Martin, a sign in the sky will reveal a power from on high that frightens the entire earth and speaks directly to people (and is connected qualitatively to the Ark of the Testament as he himself insinuates) the Dimonds will apparently simply say it is a satanic hoax or something of the kind, and this has to do with sedevacantism insofar as it has to do with an actual pope they apparently would reject. And by the way Fatima researcher used as a reputable source by the Dimonds, Frere Michel, described in detail how the heretical novelty of dogma not being convertible with belief in private revelation comes historically from Father Edouard Dhanis, s.j., the great insidious enemy and boycotter of Fatima. This thesis is also ultimately responsible for the Vatican II Council novelty of discipline without dogmatic connotation (something even Lefebvre noted was unheard of in all of Church history up to that point).
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
I liked watching Cassian's facial expression as br. Diamond would respond and so thorough destroy Cassman. It was like watching a skyscraper being demolished.
I like how Brother Peter had no response to how his sedevacantist cult doesn't have the visible unity of the church that is one of the marks of the Catholic church. Ecclesiam Dei (Pope Pius XI (1923)) The Church possesses-a fact known to all-as one of its visible marks, impressed on it by God, that of a world-wide unity. Christ, Our Lord, not only entrusted to His Apostles and, to them alone, the mission which He had received from His Father ... He also wished the College of Apostles to possess perfect unity, a unity based on a twofold and well-knit bond, one bond internal, ..., for He conferred upon Peter a primacy over the Apostles as a perpetual principle and visible foundation for the Church’s unity. At the close of His mortal life, he impressed upon the Apostles in the strongest possible terms the supreme need of this unity.
@@irreviewBro. Dimond answered that question. He quoted St. Francis de Sales the Church in the end of times would be 'secret and hidden,' and St. Augustine the true Church 'will not appear before the end of the world. ' Bro. Dimond also quoted Luke 18:8 that in the end Christ won't find the faith on earth. Buildings and robes don't mean Faith if your Pope prays to Pachamamas! Proverbs 15:8 comes to mind: The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
@@johninsoca2844 then you deny the promise of Christ that the church would prevail until the end, if all the successors of the apostles fell into heresy. You also deny Vatican I, which promises a perpetual succession of the chair of St Peter.
@@irreview No I don't, heretic. The true Church exists in a FAITHFUL remnant. If you deviate from one thing, you are outside the true Church. That's how Christ guarantees the gates of hell don't prevail. Heretics like yourself are the gates of hell. You and Francis and Pachamamas all are part of the same religion. If you recognise Francis as you Pope, then you are in the Vatican II Sect.
Gabriel, It looked like Dimond's opponent would make a statement, then wait to see if his answer was right. Dimond was the judge. He looked like he was thinking "Boy, I picked the wrong guy to debate. 🤣
"Why are you interrupting me? I gave you respect?" Cassman ten minutes earlier: "Well if you had ACTUALLY read so and so author" (and be turned out to be incredibly wrong and Dimond right).
If you watch carefully, you'll also notice that Cassman filibusters quite a bit to eat up time and when Peter finally got tired of it and tried to break in, Cassman made that accusation of "interrupting".
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Brother Peter didn't complain when he is interrupted, Jeff Casman complained when brother peter interrupted. This is the difference between novus ordo heretic and truly Catholic.
Sedevacantism was decreed to be a heresy at Vatican I in 1870. So all the arguments Dimond makes don't mean jack squat, since he is already proven to be a heretic himself.
Incredible date, moderation handled extremely well. Thank you for having the courage to host this discussion especially given the heat that your channel may receive for hosting this debate. Undoubtedly Br. Dimond won, as his arguments weren't able to be disputed or proven false by Cassman at any point. Cassman's appeals to authority were embarrassing and total irrelevant to the debate on whether or not these men are true popes.
Maybe you are right. But the fact is the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible], the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and their supporters, from my years and extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 I would not say the channel was condemned by MHFM. Some declarations by some invited people to the channel were condemned when it deserve condemnation, as example when interviewing a "monk" who say the church offers the ordinary means of salvation, implying there are other ways external to the church, to be saved. But the channel is just a plattform
@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 A person familiar with the status quaestionis (history of the discussions) of the Third Secret of Fatima wouldn't ask this question in way of trying to suggest the lack of credibility of another, because the Third Secret predicts a sede vacante and the extent to which it would cause a waning and eventual total collapse of the nominal facade secularized church substituting the real one in the mainstream arena. The Third Secret of Fatima has everything to do with this debate. But Dimond brothers supporters such as you hate (usually) with all the fiber of their being each and every attempt to discuss things that go outside the pale of their ordinary familiar language. The hatred against the truth inspiring the blatant out of control heretical Nicolaitan heresy in the Dimond milieu can drive anyone crazy. P.S.: It does discredit me insofar as you don't confirm a stereotype with plenty of confirmed specimens. For instance, a MHFM supporter dismissed the idea a lot can be inferred about the 3rd Secret not with argument, but simply by claiming "no one knows its content" with a disgusted tone of disbelief. This happened in this very comments section. And it is typical. There is much about the Third Secret content that can be known and be relied on based on ancillary sources despite the fact the one page sheet has not been released. To give two (among many) examples: Sister Lucia said to a reputable historian's source the 3rd Secret corresponds to Revelation chapters 8 to 13. Well, what do you know, Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century repitable mystic/priest and miracle worker) talked about the supernatural insights he got concerning some of these very chapters. Ditto for Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, whose Three Days of Darkness prophecy is really Revelation chapters 8 to 11 three trumpets woes (long story short). If you try to explain that to most Dimond Brothers supporters and or the Dimonds themselves chances are they are going to call you Satan. It is quite unlikely they'll sit through a lengthy explanation on this matter and say "Walk me through it". It would be unthinkable. They are just like that. I'll leave a quote about what is in the real 3rd Secret, from a Malachi Martin interview: Bernard Janzen: But, humanly speaking, could there be one person that would come and restore it. I don't think it's possible. Malachi Martin: No. It must be Our Lady. It must be a supernatural thing, and she has... isn't it [true], Bernard, let's be awfully frank; even if people don't want to accept it; we know the agenda, we know the agenda very clearly. We're going to go on slipping down the slope. We're [(it's) a big thing, it's a long slope], we're very near the edge of that chasm over which we finally topple. And we're going to topple over it; and there's going to be chaos; what they call nowadays ordered chaos. Chaos under control. And there are going to be natural calamities, as well as man-made calamities. Mistakes made by people. And finally there are going to be calamities that come upon us from the hand of God. And people will say "My God! This is not caused by nature, this is something else!" And at the end of all that Our Lady will come and there will be a sign in the heavens, meaning she has come. And everybody will see that sign.They will know it. They will know it calls them to their conscience. It doesn' mean they are going to be converted.It means that those who are already converted will get better; it means that those who are wobbling may if they want to be confirmed in their faith; it means that the others who don't believe and refuse to believe will say "We can despair. There's no way out". It's simply God putting people on notice that things have changed. Bernard: "But it is also Christ saying "I give you one more chance". Martin: Yeah. It's [gagueja e repete-se com apreensão] God saying, uh, there is a refurbishment going to take place. I will have uh an apostle in charge of you now who is going to be an apostle who'd have the power to change things; because he must give the power. And know, John Paul II, that poor man, Karol Woityla, he hasn't be given by God the power to change things. But there will be a pope, a leader of Christianity, arising, who will change it all; because he would have the power built into him. John Paul II is supposed to preside over the decadence and the failure, and hold things together as long as possible; because there are people to be saved still. But the man who will do it is somebody after his death. Not the next pope, but somebody else. And that's the mystery of what is coming in the future. All that we can hold on to is the fact that...
Absolutely agree with Peter Dimond , I also heard the term "ipso facto" growing up and to my recollection, your action or actions put you outside the Catholic Church without the process of formal excommunication. The reason for not attending non Catholic services is the same as for having non Catholic religions perform in the Vatican, pachamamas etc is that it gives these false religious a type of justification when in fact they are doctrines and objects of devil's and demons.
When foundations are cracked and crumbling you just don't hope the House Stays up. You have the damn thing repaired ! "And the smoke of Satan has entered the CRACKS " - Paul vi
I want to thank Matt Frad for organising this debate as well as both Jeff and Peter for taking part in it. I never thought I would see this, so I was pleasantly surprised. It's rare that sedes are given a chance to explain and defend their positions on big Catholic channels. It's important for all Catholics to have these conversations in these troubled times we live in. Since recently, I've started to consider Peter's position as the most likely explanation for the crisis, but it's hard to even talk about it to other Catholics. I thought Peter did a great job here though Jeff also brought up some compelling points regarding the visibility of the Church. Though that's an issue for all trads really not just sedes.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is a demonic false teacher. He has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on all his popular videos, he isn’t a brother, he says to never attend mass, what kind of man speaks the truth yet yields such strange and darkened fruit?
"all Catholics need to have these conversations".. No, you seem to have confused Jesus' Church with a liberal civic institution. All Catholics need to submit to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as expressed in Church councils and by the Magisterium. To think we need to "have discussions" that accuse a Church council of heresy is Protestantism.. Even Protestants would rarely refer to issues as niggling as the ones raised by Dimond as heresy.. If you want "these troubled times" to get even worse, keep giving venue to people who are attacking the unity of Jesus' church.
@@Jerônimo_de_Estridão Right. It ultimately comes down to either accepting Vatican II in its entirety or rejecting it in its entirety (and therefore its hierarchs). The fence-sitting Lefebvrist position is nonsense.
I have always love how the dimond brothers (in previous debates) talked about how people that adhere to Vatican 2. Seem to be without spiritual teeth or seem to live in a spiritual fog. Why can’t you call a spade a spade and a wolf a wolf? At this point. I am blown away that people can’t see that Francis literally is working to destroy the Catholic Church. What else would this guy have to do to be considered a false apostle? I guess he would have to declare some other “god” to be God instead of Christ. But he has been doing that as well in acts and deeds. And people still have “eyes but can’t see, and ears that but can’t hear.”
Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Paul never rebuked Peter that’s my take as well and possibly one of the most important nuggets given to us by brother Diamond in this debate. I’ve been researching this topic for quite some time now, and while not being the most popular position this is indeed the most correct Christian stand and is based 100% on a sound biblical study, this has nothing to do with questioning the legitimacy of the papacy which Brother Diamond clearly explains. He’s a true gem.
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
I would love to see a debate between Br. Peter Diamond and Jimmy Akin. I doubt that Akin would agree to it because Br. Diamond would call him out as a heretic.
@@cardboardcapeii4286 he did the moment he cant honestly answer if francis profess the true faith. Consider profess mean external forum. So is not needed to read hearts to answer that, and still cassman cant say a clear YES, because he knows if he does, he is identifying things like: "god wants all religions", "lutherans have the true faith of christ" , "luther was right on justification", "atheists can be saved", etc.... with professing the true faith, which would make of he himself an apostate. In the end he admits that the official teaching of the novus ordo lead people to sin , which is imcompatible with the true catholic church. CONCLUSION: novus ordo is not the catholic church
@@clarekuehn4372 no he’s not, the guys a buffoon he doesn’t even understand common core doctrine of the Catholic faith like papal infallibility for one. It’s beyond laughable and simultaneously calling himself a Catholic too, in reality he’s just a schismatic heretic like everyone in history before him who came up with their own man made ideas and fused them into theology. People like him are allowing politics dictate their religious life. They look at false headlines about the pope, they read into crazy conspiracies about the “anti pope” when they really just need to read about their own religion to inform themselves about what it actually teaches.
@@chukwudiogudo5379 that’s not true and obviously you don’t know how debate works. Someone could theoretically be a complete idiot and be in the position that is correct but not know how to present it while the person who is incorrect may be capable of dressing up their incorrect arguments. This debate is a prime example of the man with the correct position not knowing how to make his case. Dimond’s position is completely incoherent as he claims to be Catholic while simultaneously saying the Catholic Church has been infiltrated and brought to its knees which is a lie and goes against everything we’ve learned from the church as well as God’s promise that the gates of hell would not be able to prevail against the church. Stop this nonsense, you guys who believe that are just heretics, there’s not much else to take away from the situation. Groups such as you sedevecantists have reared many times throughout history and always have been labeled the heretics at the end of the day. You can’t try to falsify the church and simultaneously claim to have its best interest in mind. Pure brain wash. Go read up on papal infallibility and the church’s inability to be defective.
I reccomend watching Brother Peter's other debates as well. He beat fr james gordon, Pinesap, gnrhead (william albrecht), william golle, nick santosuso and many others. You'll start to notice that they all say the same things( for over 20 years!) but can never refute because the truth cannot be refuted. They are afraid to debate him nowadays so they resort to misrepresenting and lying about Brothers positions
@@15DecadesDaily Thanks, I will actually do that, I am floored by how good Br Dimonds case was and how it addresses literally all the concerns Ive had with the RCC
You are following a heretic, my friend. Because you have been dazzled by Diamond's ability to talk fast and use big words, you have fallen into error. This is not a debate over politics or history. The eternal life of anyone who believes in the heresy of sedevacantism is at stake, including yours. Repent and accept the one true faith or you will be damned.
It's because he prays God plus strick study about science, history, philosophy and theology. He's a brother, everyone in the church it's requires knowledge seeking.
So call Brother this is why people like him we’re having trouble in the world catholic faith very normal absolutely nothing to it I am traditional catholic for 36 years I am so grateful to God gave me second chance Here’s tried to destroyed catholic faith I am sure he knows exactly what is doing
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Vatican 2 has certainly become as intended, dogma. Vatican 2 is not the true Catholic Church in my opinion and many others. I personally am compelled to recognize Sedevantism as the correct teaching. God Bless
Then you're not a Catholic. You're opinion regarding the Catholic Church about as much authority as a Sunni Imam. If you want to join this cult, do so. Just don't pretend it's inspired by anything other than the Lucifer and his servants.
Jeff Cassman’s “”how do you stand against the entirety of the Church, how do you alone …” is eerily similar to emperor telling Athanasuis that the whole world was Arian… “Athanasuis Contra Mundum” was his response. I’m not comparing Brother Dimond to St Athanasuis but truth is not a popularity contest and Cassman’s “everyone believes…” is not a legitimate position in the case.
Many, many examples throughout history. St Thomas More's own bishops in union the Bishop of Canterbury told him the same thing. Only the elderly Bishop Fisher dissented.
You know that the Arian heresy, prevalent though hit was, was still held by a minority of the bishops, right? There are contexts of one man against a bad group, but it has never been one man against the Entirety of the visible Church. The bishops roundly condemned Arius at the council of Nicea. That's not what's happening here with Peter Diamond.
@@Scynthescizor you make all the martyers weep. How many died because the true faith was not belived by the majority, how many had to hide and recieve the sacraments only at certain situation if even able to go to church. You dont have the faith, you have not the branch, you have dead leaves.
@@MathewThorpe-w2m I'm not talking about the majority of the world, or even of the Church. I'm talking about standing against nearly the Entirety of the Church. Martyrs are heroes, and I am not diminishing their incredible sacrifices by saying as much. The branch I put my hope in is the one Christ promised to protect until the end of the world.
@@Scynthescizor God promised to keep the throne of david in perpuety but the throne was vacant for a while. Francis doing prayer with the devils spawns isnt the church. The true church is not vatican 2, and dont go to eastern orthodox there completely wrong.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
@@marypreethavalentine9851 WRONG and you have no authority to pronounce schism unless Dimond rejects the CHAIR OF PETER. Dimond rejects the current apostate who sits in the chair, not the chair. "Better there be scandal than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Felix. You are a typical, ignorant, illiterate Novus Ordite.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Your Excellency, you cannot supporting (I wanted to say : congatulating) him... The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII. These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the Br. Dimond. Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.” Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ. Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so these people denying the Authority of Popes had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized Paul VI in 1964 and 1965.
Fake bishop. First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
Congrats. You're protesting christs one church and listening to a modern day Martin luther. Popes can be sinners you know. Thats doesn't change christs church is his church.
Cassman, as the modernists THINK they are in the right side of Catholicism. brother Dimond is a deeply knowledgeable man and saint. We need more like him
Br. Dimond Is an echo from our past and the original voice light penetrating the darkness against the modernist. I for one appreciate him and standing up for our intended faith.
There had been bishops and archbishops and even patriarchs saying that the Roman church became heretical for around a thousand years now, since the latin bishops had rejected universally accepted conciliar dogma a long time ago. These bishops are the Eastern Orthodox ones.
First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
Oh how sad it is to see men who claim to be Catholic while proclaiming, against Our Lord's very promise (Mt 16:18), that the gates of Hell have prevailed against His Church.
@@Win5ton67 the Lord said he will never leave the church. But the Church leave our Lord when the High authorities in Vatican committed numerous heretical things.
It’s hard to believe Cassman can’t seem to comprehend the Difference between ‘Doctrinal Errors’ and ‘HERESY’ taught by Popes. Without getting defensive, out of fear of compromising his position.
@BrotherinChr1st Where in Catholicism is Peter Diamond of higher authority than the ordinary Magisterium? He absolutely has been debunked and is a heretic.
%100 supernatural faith is going on here. If you know what true charity is, you can see it working through Bro Peter and the work of the monastery. Debates aren't just to score points, to truly move the hearts of others requires love and conformity to the will of God. He changes you into a new creature if you don't stand in your own way. People in the comments are cleary enamored by the vibe Bro Peter gives off, seeing his face and hearing his voice.. he's a real person too. That's why I don't take his approach as a sign of bad will, rather it is of a care and love for other's souls and love of God.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
@@timothy1168 thank you. Are you on his side? I don't even understand half of what they're saying. I have only NO where I live, i didn't even knew that's the thing
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m I am not on his side. I a, simply saying he made the better argument, even though I vehemently disagree with it. Sede is short for sedevacantist, Latin for “the chair is empty”. They think all the popes from John XXIII to the current Pope Francis are all anti-popes, and hence they reject the NO and other things. Their position is a false one to take. The church must have a pope.
Pope Pius XI: “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the meetings of non-Catholics…” (Mortalium Animos, 1928)
When an intelligent man who is usually a great debater has no good arguments, perhaps his position is so false that even he can't defend it successfully. I am convinced that the papal seat is vacant and that's the only Catholic position at this point especially with the blatant errors pushed by Francis.
I'm sure it's deeper than this, but the Cassman guy sounds like everything comes down to 1) "But it's the Pope". 2) "Who is your Bishop? Without a Bishop to tell you what you see, hear, and how to feel about it you can't be correct". Who is going to speak up when the system has been infiltrated at it's highest levels? The modern Catholic Church wouldn't be the 1st organization, religious or not, to ha e it's highest ranks infiltrated and subverted.
This one definitely shook things up in a good way. You can’t please everyone, I would love to see more dialog on this topic. A V2 defender vs diamond or someone of his caliber would be great
Beware of sedevacantism, since it is an impass. The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII. These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists. Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.” Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ. Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965. So, we must obey it, and you should check out the videos I share on my account, these videos are translated in English and could be very helpful for you.
@@fidefidelis4912 I guess they (sedevacantists) will now have to refer to Leo XII and XIII as 'antipopes' or 'so called popes' or 'Fathers of the Vatican II church' or the likes.
Please set up another debate with Dimond! I'm saying this because I'm not a sedevacantist but he is genuinely convincing. If what he says is true we should all be sedes but if it is not he should be refuted by some heavy-lifter, that means some monk from England or France, not Jimmy Akin or Trent Horn
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
There is no one in the world that will debate Bro. Peter and refute his position. The truth can't be refuted. Sedevacantism is the position of the Church of Christ today. That's not against any infallible teaching.
Trent Horn is a self-promoting heretic and has IMO, a third-rate mind. He wouldn't dare debate Dimond. Like Fradd, the Gordon brothers, Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Inc., too many pseudo-intellectuals wanted to grow up to be professional Catholics, promoting not faith, but their own cults of personality and puerile books written to a sixth grade comprehension level.
The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
@@Consume_Crash Sure I can. Try reading how Antipope Paul VI changed the liturgy, the wording for consecrations, ordinations etc., along with other things such as the mass, which puts them all in question, if not make them null and void. Plus the V2 church is NOT the Catholic Church but an imposter church which opposes all traditional church dogmas, making it an apostate church. It is a grave sin to have any part in the V2 cult.
Protestant here... Brother Peter definitely won this debate. His arguments were very convincing and logical, unlike Cassman, who was arrogant and contradictory.
Imagine, as a Catholic, being asked if the pope professes the true faith. And you can't answer.
@@brianluis4248 eastern “orthodoxy” is an absurd polytheistic religion which worships uncreated energies as God even though those energies are infinitely lesser than and distinct from the Divine Essence.
@@brianluis4248 amen
@@brianluis4248 I’ve no idea how on earth you came to that conclusion
That was one of the best highlights of the debate. It totally got him off guard.
It's just reality.
As an outside observer non-Catholic, Dimond was way more convincing. This surprised me given all the slander against him I've seen on TH-cam.
same here. im an outsider as well, but Br. Dimond really seems to have a solid case.
It’s slander for a reason, because they can’t deal with his position.
Those who seek to live a righteous life in the Lord will be persecuted.
Matthew 10:25
If you think Bob Dimond was convincing, wait until you see Ryan Shenouda's documentary The DeSecration of (")CathOlIc(") Places [th-cam.com/video/Uqr0oTDqy50/w-d-xo.html] [th-cam.com/video/O_bcsBJ3O-U/w-d-xo.html] (2020)!
Agreed. He is one of the best from the roman church: highly intelligent, but he makes almost genius-level gymnastics to prove doctrines which cant be proved in his other videos. Always enjoyable to hear him.
God rest
Cassman was DESTROYED. The idea that you can't "know" if there is a heresy being said unless there is a formal authority stating it, this is absolutely nuts and absurd.
If he had been asked what a woman is, he’d say he couldn’t answer because he wasn’t a doctor.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This would follow from believing in a teaching magisterium.
not even what he was saying
@@Emanresuadeen ..... precisely.
Thank you Brother Peter for opening my eyes of the truth, all my doubts are finally making sense now. May God bless you very much.
When I witness a murder take place in broad daylight, I don't need the authorities to let me know who the murderer is. I know it because I have seen it and heard it from the beginning. Official denouncements and penalties come later from the authorities when they finally arrest the criminal and figure it out.
Correct. Bro Dimond murdered Cassman and we are all witnesses. Lol
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
And you still need a judicial process before you convict the murderer. Not self imposed, unauthorised proclamation.
@@denisebraganza Correct, but don't hold your breath. That is not coming soon. The Roman judicial hierarchy is filled with heretics. What is coming soon however is the Judgement of Jesus Christ on Bergoglio. In the meantime every true Catholic has the duty to defend the faith by calling out the enemy it sees, otherwise you would be a coward. Don't be fooled by titles, just look at what happened to Nestorius.
What a great debate! Very respectful and intelligent. Don’t take this down. Catholics need these kind of conversations. Thanks Matt !
Article by The Catholic Esquire - Yes, Catholics Can Judge who is Pope, which explains why It is not outside of our state I came here to learn.
I'd lik to s Bro. Peter and Fr. Ripperger debate.these issues.
@YP Poe - what do you mean by the second mental act - a kind of discernment?
@YP Poe -oh yes, thank you. You seem to be consistently spot on ( that is, according to my reasoning).
@YP Poe - I can't send links. Sometimes it will work if included in comment below the vid, but not if I comment in reply from notifications. I have to write out tittles to books , article or vids...(Can you write it out?) Thanks.
Bro Peter Dimond did well; he expressed his position clearly, logically, and well documented.
Why would he address him by the title of Brother when this man clearly is not? He is not a member of the Catholic Church.
@@philfrank5601 Actually he is a member of the Catholic Church, but not of the false apostate Vatican II counter church.
You answer yourself. If Jeff Cassman calls the traditional Catholic Benedictine monk Peter Dimond his brother, it is because Jeff is simply telling you to your face that he is following the heresy of the Second Vatican Council, but what heresy? that of calling brother in faith, separated brother..., anyone who professes faith in Jesus Christ. If Jeff were a true Catholic, of course he wouldn't call the Benedictine Catholic Brother Peter Dimond "brother," because Jeff in his supposedly Catholic conception would know that this monk would not be a true Catholic, but the proof is right in your face: Jeff Cassman IS A MODERNIST HERETIC OF THE APOSTETIC AND HERETIC SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, who is calling everyone who believes in Christ a brother, as the PESTILE DOCUMENT ON VATICAN II ECUMENISM says: UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO NUMBER 1 Here in Unitatis Redintegratio numeral 1 of Vatican II you can see Jeff's HERESY of calling those who believe in Christ "brothers", separated brothers, this without caring to the Masonic Council that those "separated brothers" are heretics and that they are the doors of the hell from Matthew 16, 18. The difference with brother Pedro Dimond is that HE IS CATHOLIC! And Jeff's own weakness in calling a monk who he considers a rebel against the authority of the Church and therefore outside its bosom, only reveals himself as a heretic, why? because he absorbed the HERESY of the Second Vatican Council of calling HERETICS separate brothers, and Jeff is part of those MODERNIST HERETICS
@@philfrank5601Yes he is.
@@Flagrum3Bingo
Bro. Dimond is very prepared. It is to hard for the other debater to defend any of the post conciliar Popes. Bro. Dimond uses their own words to indict them. Great debate, great fun. Thank you!
they changed the words of consecration for the wine its invalid, thats why the harlot is always identified with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Bro. Did not need Teleprompter. Look at the glasses glare of other man. You can see it
Bro. Dimond seemed prepared because he is, and has been debating heretics and false Christians for many years. He has done extensive study on Church teachings and the magisterium, amongst many other writings. I've followed MHFM for years and have yet to find error or contradiction in what they propose.
@@Flagrum3 Is scandal no longer a sin?
@@glennryan646 What scandal are you talking about?
I am honestly shocked how reasonable and well researched Brother Dimond was. He won.
I know Matt Fraddie does a lot of click bait to appease reach and view counts but at some point you have to think, some of the stuff he is propagating is just scandalous and perhaps even sinful for giving it a platform. You are not to give errors rights, just like with Protestantism.
@@louisIXco Saints and even doctors of the Church held the sedevacantist position. To ask for this to be censored is far from Catholic. Cassman was absolutely destroyed in this debate. And I think it was because he was wrong. If U want to censor speech it’s probably because u can’t defend ur position
@@louisIXco I am not a sedevacantist, but Dimond clearly won the debate. So the scandal does not come from Matt for hosting the debate, but from Jeff’s lack of research to properly dismantle it
@@christisking9773 the Church used to ban books. Do you think that was coincidental?
@@Seethi_C that is absurd. These podcasters are the ones that will be held liable for how much spewed from their platforms.
This debate format was excellent. Would like to see more sede vs non-sede debates.
If you liked this church-crisis-related content, may I present a content which gives over, among others, Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the TH-cam video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Sedes always win
Over the last 35 years I've heard the words "in the spirit of Vatican 2" many times. I never heard a priest or Catholic educator say the words "in the spirit of Florence". Something is wrong.
The reference to "in the spirit of Vatican 2" or pre-or post vatican 2 is because the Catican 2 Council from its procedures and execution of those procedures and the "shananigans" and suppression of opinions to push through the "changes" were earth shattering. Even Paul VI regretted it. I am reading the 3 book series by Michael Davies and it is eye opening!!!!
"Paul VI" was a Mason. So were "John Paul II" and "BeneDict XVI". So is "Francis". Does "Francis" ProFess the True Faith?
@@miguelpasamano4995is this proven? How can i find out?
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
@@mydreamsarecomingtrue no, it's not proven and it's not true
Cassman had no chance… When brother Diamond asked “Do you believe Pope Francis Professes the Truth Faith? From his external actions”. He lost the debate at that point.
No one can know another’s salvation.
@@TCM1231 But we can assess if someone professes the true faith, if you can't do that then you can't know if you're even following it yourself. As for salvation that's a matter for God and God alone - we all recognise that.
@@HOSPlTALLER Who’s to say your interpretation is right over Pope Francis? He’s the Pope. We’re just layman.
@@TCM1231You don’t have to have magisterial authority to recognize someone is speaking blatant heresy. That doesn’t mean they are going to hell or even that they are anathama, just that they are speaking heresy and must be corrected. For example, saying allah is YHWH is simply false and contradicts most of Christian theology since the rise of Islam.
@@TCM1231 So if a catholic profess Arinianism is that catholic saved?
Thank you Brother Peter.
And you are still undefeated in all your debates. The Truth can never be refuted!
May God continue to bless you and MostHolyFamilyMonastery
What about RJMI who was once with them though?
@Conquering Death wrong. Being a traditional Catholic and holding the Sedevacantist position
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 he’s too scared to debate them.
@@sambrittenden4045 Debate? Why do that when they agree on the importance of Dogma in general but the only difference is in how far they apply it?
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 RJMI is a schismatic.
I loved being in the chat for this one. It was an absolutely chaotic experience in the best way possible. Shout-out to the mods who tried their best to keep things relatively civil, and thank you to Matt for setting up this debate.
Thank you. Deo Gratia.
We tried.
Definitely Matt for having this debate. Good on him. He was excellent as a moderator!
Thank you to Matt for setting up the teaching of heresy
If you liked this church-crisis-related content kept civil, may I present a content which gives over with absolute objectiveness, among others, that Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the TH-cam video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
I thought I'd be watching a debate, not the death and burial of VII.
Br. Dimond is so on point that Jeff could not even handle him... he almost went ad hominem. He lost BIG time... Br. Dimond.... WOW.... won hands down. NO DOUBT.
Thank you both.
Bro. Peter I was so impressed with you. You were incredibly well prepared. You gave me a lot to think about.
"Brother" Peter, who is neither a Catholic nor a monk, is an extremely dangerous false prophet who teaches heresies and consistently and knowingly misrepresents scripture but gets away with it by burying his opponent under an avalanche of trivia and non-sequiturs, even citing parts quotes that argue against his own positions but framing them as if they support his positions by leaving out significant parts of the quote.
Please watch Counsel of Trent's rebuttal, for the well-being of your soul.
@Curtis MH yeah dont state them lol
You shall the Church is no-longer visibly on earth.
Jesus Christ said " upon thee i will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail."
What am i to do?
I prefer to believe in Jesus Christ.
@Curtis MH Trent Horn Is a heretic and Br. Peter refutes Trent Horn response. Trent Horn was trying to correct Br. Peter without Dimond being there. So trusting Trent Horn Is a bad idea.
@@johnjones8315 First of all, he isn't "Brother" Dimond, because he isn't a real monk, and neither he nor his brother "Michael" have repented of repeatedly lying about being monks. Secondly, his name isn't even Peter. Thirdly, he didn't "refute" Trent Horn. He addressed the lowest hanging fruit from Horn's video, while ignoring everything else that was said. Fourthly, the Dimond brothers' position cannot coincide with infallible Catholic teaching because it is a pseudo-Catholic cult. If there ceases to be a visible Church, then Catholic teaching is wrong, the Church is not infallible, and the whole thing falls apart at its foundation. Anyone who claims that the visible Church can cease to exist is not Catholic.
Thanks for bringing Br. Dimond on. Been waiting for a little debate action with him. I look forward to some more!
Just the fact that this conversation is taking place is saying a lot about the emergency that is on going in the church. Questions are similar to "what is a woman?" A: "I am not a doctor."😔
This is THE point. There is an elephant in the living room when you can't honestly answer the question "is the pope catholic?".
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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@E5nklodrthb Romans 11:2-4 God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture saith of Elias; how he calleth on God against Israel? 3 Lord, they have slain thy prophets, they have dug down thy altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the divine answer to him? I have left me seven thousand men, that have not bowed their knees to Baal.
The whole context is that Elijah didn't bow down to baal, just as St Paul didn't remain in judaism. It's talking about how the ethnic people aren't just damned because of their ethnicity. If they put on Christ, they're saved
@E5nklodrthb Israel means the few jews and the gentiles which accept Christ. this is clear in the scriptures and basically all commentary ever on Romans: Not all the Jews were blind; some of them recognized Christ. But the fullness of the Gentiles comes in among those who have been called according to the plan, and there arises a truer Israel of God … the elect from both the Jews and the Gentiles. - St. Augustine
I was born from Catholic dad, but was never baptised. Thank you Br Dimond that I'm considering becoming a Sede.
I'm listening carefully and I have a great respect for Jeff, but I must admit that Bro. Peter Dimond got a interesting point and all what he had said until now it's totally correct and well funded. 🙏🙏🙏
Was "Brother" Dimond divinely (ordinarily or extraordinarily) appointed as a legitimate judge of the Church?
@Win5ton67 maybe not. Regardless, he smashed through the other chaps silly rebuttals.
Thank you for hosting Matt!
We need Bro Dimond more. I'm a Catholic, but Bro Dimond arguments are strong and solid rocks! We will never leave the Church, but we need to unite and cleanse the Church of any heresies
Yes, I agree with you.
While he is generally right about muchnof what he says he is technically wrong about a lot. Watch Trent on his podcast refute much of it.
He's a heretic tho
@@sttlok How?
And how will this be accomplished?
Peter diamond won so thoroughly that people are begging for the video to be deleted.
Only cowards and schismatics want this video deleted.
Really they want this to be deleted??? I’m totally convinced of Brother Peter and everything he said makes so much sense.
@@Maya-yp2ey I pray you keep attending Mass, for the sake of your soul.
@NDGere if there are no licit masses, hades has prevailed. That is not possible.
@NDGere I don’t understand what you mean by that.
So many touchdowns by Brother Peter Dimond. Crushed his opponent on the field!
Hands down... Truth was undeniable.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
He really doesn't like vatican 2. He needs to make friends in Rome with Cardinals that are not stone cutters if he can find them. The get the Gagnon report or get a way to expose them.
I know this video is a year old but it is timeless and this was a great debate!
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Bro. Peter clearly won this debate. Anyone who says otherwise is intellectually dishonest. It doesn’t necessarily mean sedevacantism is triumphant, but it does mean it was clearly better presented than the non-sedevacantist position.
Peter Dimond was basically called a heretic
@@stlouisix3 take it easy there Louis. You’re The ignoramus
@@Deus-Vult-AMDG says the ignoramus😱
They both lost... as did all of us who listened to this... and I'm being intellectually honest. :)
@@stlouisix3 heresy can never be 100% correct, remember anyone who says you fool! Is liable to judgment
I'm not a sedevacantist but I'll occasionally rewatch this debate just to witness again how badly Jeff was beaten. An absolute masterclass in debate from Peter Dimond.
Thank you Matt Fradd. This has been a wonderful experience. Based on this debate, Peter Dimon made far more superior arguments and conclusions. God bless you Matt. Greetings from Port-Harcourt Nigeria
Another Nigerian? Doesn’t it feel like just about our whole continent is usually left out from so many of these discussions?
And it also seems unfortunate that the faith came to us so late in the game, and that heretics were also spreading their ideas, worst of all being that Islam has such a strong grip on a lot of the continent below the Sahara.
@YP Poe But isn’t this all important information and truth that *all* mankind _must_ know and believe to be saved?
Also, on the matter of exclusion, it feels like the Asian continent is in sort of a worse situation at times. So many countries under so many false religions or none at all (like India, China, etc) and the only even nominally Christian nation there is the Philippines…
And that’s the most populated continent on Earth.
Maybe you are right. But the fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea.
The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@CatholicHusband I never said they are wrong on Francis being an antipope. Further, they are not merely potentially wrong about end times prophecy, they misrepresent the Third Secret of Fatima's content, it has dire consequences (as the importance of the Secret in itself suggests), besides that they and their supporters have their own theological problems, one of them being the heresy of Nicolaism. Brother Peter denied he is one of the Two Witnesses, but he not only is one of them, he is also destined to inccur the temporary espiritual death belonging to them, namely, the Nicolaitan heresy.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
What's insane is that Cassman actually said, near the end of the debate, that a heretic can still be a Pope.
Earlier in the debate, br Dimond had cited several Catholic teachings which says it's impossible for a heretic to be Pope.
@@lukebrasting5108 Yes, and that's why Fr. Eric Mackenzie's Delict of Heresy was brought up by both sides in this debate.
@@lukebrasting5108 the "material/formal" heresy is AntiTraditional AntiBiblical and was never heard of before Augustinus and then Tommasi D'Aquino.
Pope Honorios...
@@KeyZ_official how did Peter lose the right to be Pope?what heresy?
@@rayoski241 Read what I said properly. They were answers to two different questions, hence the 1) and 2).
Jeff Cassman is worried about his image, worried about maintaining his appearences, while Peter Dimon is clearly interested in the debate.
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As an outsider who studied for a few years and strongly considered converting, I must say, the sede position was the only option that made sense. It seems increasingly clear that VII Catholicism is a different religion from traditional Catholicism.
I pray that you still consider converting one day 😊
Convert Catholicism doesn't mean you should be an irrational pro-papacy. Being Catholic demands you keep reasoning on how to be closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Right let’s just not attend mass, never receive Holy Communion, never go to confession, that sounds removed from tradition if you ask me…
become SSPX
Matt, I commend you for hosting this debate. It shows that you are willing to reach out to Catholics that you don't agree with but are willing to give them a forum to lay out their case. Just to be clear, I am not a sede and this debate did not change my position. However this debate has made me more sensitive to the concerns that sede's have and I really respect you for allowing your channel to be used as a forum to make these concerns known to a wider audience.
"Free Speech" isn't a Catholic Virtue. There's a reason certain ideas/books were banned. Bad ideas spread like wildfire, and can damn many souls. I mean just look at Martin Luther!
I agree
You shouldn't call sedevacantists Catholic
@@stlouisix3 convert to Christianity?
Hello @Claudio Tarabocchia. Is not about sympathizing with anybody or not, overall the debate shows how things have deteriorated so bad in The Church. The level of faithlessness on the part of souls who have been given the light of the Faith to be Soldiers of Christ is so scary.
Until we put the commandments of our Sovereign God into practice, would we know healing in the Mystical Body of Christ that is so wounded.
Been waiting on something like this. Thank you Matt for organizing this.
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Bro. Peter: *proves repeatedly and thoroughly on the matter of heresy*
Cassman: You're going to have to prove it!
This guy makes me sick...
The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. Maybe the Percelli list in its original published firm. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
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No such thing as living like the Devil all your life and then having a last minute Death bed change of mind because you're afraid to die, thinking you can cheat God and still get into Heaven! *Matthew 25:31-46 refutes this.* Christianity is a life long commitment to Jesus with good works as evidence of our Faith.
Just to be clear the Jews covenant has been absolutely revoked. Salvation ONLY comes through Jesus and His Church. Amazing this would be “controversial” in our time.
Well you’re dealing with a group of apostates and children of the Devil who at this moment have control of the world from the shadows, the first who became the last.
It explains why it’s controversial. They fooled the whole world into believing that an extermination happened to them 80 odd years ago after all.
In a time of looking like the end of days, if you were charged with getting out and ‘saving’ as many people as you could before the curtain closed, how would you go about it?
Would you stay at home and pound your desk repeating the (NT) ‘laws’ you have been taught expecting a proud world to either yield or perish, or would you seek to go and and talk to anyone and everyone who needs saving by engaging them on their own terms (without yielding your own doctrines) until they might see the tiny light filled tunnel that leads from the way they are thinking to a true understanding of Jesus, his sacrifice, his mission and Heaven ?
@@eddiej9733 the second option
@Christ Saves! Read Romans 10:9 The Church is the new Israel.
@Christ Saves! Read Romans 10:9 are you a Protestant?
Brother Dimond seems to be closer to the truth, in our modern times, where the faith is being greatly distorted. I think he’s won this debate with Cassman.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Bro. Dimond wiped the floor with him. It was a total rout.
His concerns are all our concerns. The fact that there are bishops or cardinals at vatican 2 were freemasons. Baggio, Bugnini, etc. Maybe even Bergolio
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@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Don't forget Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli (john 23rd) who was definitely a freemason
@@15DecadesDaily There is no evidence that Pope John XXIII was a Freemason.
@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Dude, come on. Bergoglio wasn't even ordained as a priest until 1969, so why would you try to lump him in with bishop and cardinals who were at VII? This is the sort of 'argument' that makes sedes look foolish, regardless of how much crap gets thrown at the wall in hopes that something sticks.
The folks involved in V2 simply didn’t want to rock any boats. Anyone standing up and saying, “Hey, something smells funny here,” probably would’ve been ostracised and removed from any positions. How do you have an unchanging church that changes? You can’t have a church that has a certain set of principles and beliefs, then suddenly makes a 180. I don’t understand why people involved with V2 didn’t look at what was being changed and yell about it. Maybe it’s simply human failing.
This is all so similar to the current legal system in the US. If you’re on the correct side, you don’t get charged and prosecuted. If you’re on the wrong side, you’ll get charged and prosecuted all day long. So the layperson’s claim that nobody else in the church thinks the way the brother does isn’t an argument. I don’t care if 999 people claim that stealing is ok, and there’s 1 person saying it’s not ok; the 1 is correct. Catholic beliefs are not a debatable subject, because they weren’t instituted by us. They were instituted by Christ and therefore cannot be changed. Full stop.
Unbelievable discussion, arguments well-presented. Brother Peter is exceptionally well-versed on the subject. Well done to both participants!
No, he is not well-versed.
@@filipradosa6062 rubbish🙃
@@catholic9694 you are the one who is talking rubbish. His treatment of scripture is very poor - when he is not actually making up his own interpretation, doing away with the entire witness (bar one voice) of Sacred Tradition. Just then he showed that he cannot be taken seriously (even if he goes on quoting Bellarmine).
@@JohnCampbell5650 your nose just became a tree
Brother Peter is well-versed in many points he makes, but let it not deceive you as to the fact, contrary to some of Brother Peter's arguments in the debate, the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
Funny how a Catholic can discern what is infallible but can’t discern what is heretical. 🤔
@jamiejaegel7962 Declare, not discern. Also, we are missing the point, jt wouldn't actually matter if the pope was a heretic anyway, because the charism of infallibility protects him from officially teaching heresy. That's like the whole point of the charism. A bad pope is still a pope, with real authority and (thank God) the privilege of only being able to officially teach orthodoxy.
Bro. Peter Dimond absolutely won this debate and all of his arguments made perfect sense to me.
There is one argument he used that could have been crushed like doritos chips: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@PedroHLima-ss7hy ultimately, that’s not a dogmatic issue, and it has nothing to do with the question of sedevacantism.
@@sambrittenden4045 It is a dogmatic issue and it is in fact connected to sedevacantism, because if the Dimonds are correct in saying the promised period of peace has already come and no further crumbling is to be expected, this means the Dimonds and their milieu are likely to remain traditionalist, whereas the Secret implies the crumbling/apostasy will get to them and their followers infallibly (which means the dogmatic issue will get to them in the form of their dogmatic corruption). So the Dimond position falsifies the Third Secret of Fatima. It also falsifies the Third Secret and muddles the issue of Sedevacantism insofar as, according to Malachi Martin, the Third Secret describes a sede vacante, a false facade secularized church ruled by an antipope and a legitimate pope eventually connected to an underground church. The Revelation passages connected to the Secret (Revelation 8 to 13 according to Sister Lucia), and in the context of Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser's interpretation of these same chapters, indicates a new Pontiff will arise bearing the title of Ark of the Testament. The Dimond brothers told me personally this proposition is a satanic superstition meant to increase my punishment in hell. So if the Secret holds true in saying, according to Malachi Martin, a sign in the sky will reveal a power from on high that frightens the entire earth and speaks directly to people (and is connected qualitatively to the Ark of the Testament as he himself insinuates) the Dimonds will apparently simply say it is a satanic hoax or something of the kind, and this has to do with sedevacantism insofar as it has to do with an actual pope they apparently would reject. And by the way Fatima researcher used as a reputable source by the Dimonds, Frere Michel, described in detail how the heretical novelty of dogma not being convertible with belief in private revelation comes historically from Father Edouard Dhanis, s.j., the great insidious enemy and boycotter of Fatima. This thesis is also ultimately responsible for the Vatican II Council novelty of discipline without dogmatic connotation (something even Lefebvre noted was unheard of in all of Church history up to that point).
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Brother Diamond WON the debate Hands Down.
I liked watching Cassian's facial expression as br. Diamond would respond and so thorough destroy Cassman. It was like watching a skyscraper being demolished.
I like how Brother Peter had no response to how his sedevacantist cult doesn't have the visible unity of the church that is one of the marks of the Catholic church.
Ecclesiam Dei (Pope Pius XI (1923))
The Church possesses-a fact known to all-as one of its visible marks, impressed on it by God, that of a world-wide unity. Christ, Our Lord, not only entrusted to His Apostles and, to them alone, the mission which He had received from His Father ... He also wished the College of Apostles to possess perfect unity, a unity based on a twofold and well-knit bond, one bond internal, ..., for He conferred upon Peter a primacy over the Apostles as a perpetual principle and visible foundation for the Church’s unity. At the close of His mortal life, he impressed upon the Apostles in the strongest possible terms the supreme need of this unity.
@@irreviewBro. Dimond answered that question. He quoted St. Francis de Sales the Church in the end of times would be 'secret and hidden,' and St. Augustine the true Church 'will not appear before the end of the world. ' Bro. Dimond also quoted Luke 18:8 that in the end Christ won't find the faith on earth.
Buildings and robes don't mean Faith if your Pope prays to Pachamamas! Proverbs 15:8 comes to mind: The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
@@johninsoca2844 then you deny the promise of Christ that the church would prevail until the end, if all the successors of the apostles fell into heresy. You also deny Vatican I, which promises a perpetual succession of the chair of St Peter.
@@irreview No I don't, heretic. The true Church exists in a FAITHFUL remnant. If you deviate from one thing, you are outside the true Church. That's how Christ guarantees the gates of hell don't prevail. Heretics like yourself are the gates of hell. You and Francis and Pachamamas all are part of the same religion. If you recognise Francis as you Pope, then you are in the Vatican II Sect.
Gabriel,
It looked like Dimond's opponent would make a statement, then wait to see if his answer was right. Dimond was the judge. He looked like he was thinking "Boy, I picked the wrong guy to debate. 🤣
Even Malachi Martin said that the Church has gone underground in the 1990’s. He said that the underground remnant Church were the Sedevacantists.
"Why are you interrupting me? I gave you respect?"
Cassman ten minutes earlier: "Well if you had ACTUALLY read so and so author" (and be turned out to be incredibly wrong and Dimond right).
If you watch carefully, you'll also notice that Cassman filibusters quite a bit to eat up time and when Peter finally got tired of it and tried to break in, Cassman made that accusation of "interrupting".
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@@willweigand5820exactly you got that right!
I can interrupt all I want during cross examination time.
Brother Peter didn't complain when he is interrupted, Jeff Casman complained when brother peter interrupted. This is the difference between novus ordo heretic and truly Catholic.
Sedevacantism was decreed to be a heresy at Vatican I in 1870. So all the arguments Dimond makes don't mean jack squat, since he is already proven to be a heretic himself.
Incredible date, moderation handled extremely well.
Thank you for having the courage to host this discussion especially given the heat that your channel may receive for hosting this debate.
Undoubtedly Br. Dimond won, as his arguments weren't able to be disputed or proven false by Cassman at any point.
Cassman's appeals to authority were embarrassing and total irrelevant to the debate on whether or not these men are true popes.
Especially considering that their channel has been condemned by the MHFM before.
Maybe you are right. But the fact is the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible], the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and their supporters, from my years and extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea.
The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on TH-cam and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 I would not say the channel was condemned by MHFM. Some declarations by some invited people to the channel were condemned when it deserve condemnation, as example when interviewing a "monk" who say the church offers the ordinary means of salvation, implying there are other ways external to the church, to be saved. But the channel is just a plattform
@@PedroHLima-ss7hy what do all that have to do with the debate subject?¡
@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 A person familiar with the status quaestionis (history of the discussions) of the Third Secret of Fatima wouldn't ask this question in way of trying to suggest the lack of credibility of another, because the Third Secret predicts a sede vacante and the extent to which it would cause a waning and eventual total collapse of the nominal facade secularized church substituting the real one in the mainstream arena. The Third Secret of Fatima has everything to do with this debate. But Dimond brothers supporters such as you hate (usually) with all the fiber of their being each and every attempt to discuss things that go outside the pale of their ordinary familiar language. The hatred against the truth inspiring the blatant out of control heretical Nicolaitan heresy in the Dimond milieu can drive anyone crazy.
P.S.: It does discredit me insofar as you don't confirm a stereotype with plenty of confirmed specimens. For instance, a MHFM supporter dismissed the idea a lot can be inferred about the 3rd Secret not with argument, but simply by claiming "no one knows its content" with a disgusted tone of disbelief. This happened in this very comments section. And it is typical. There is much about the Third Secret content that can be known and be relied on based on ancillary sources despite the fact the one page sheet has not been released. To give two (among many) examples: Sister Lucia said to a reputable historian's source the 3rd Secret corresponds to Revelation chapters 8 to 13. Well, what do you know, Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century repitable mystic/priest and miracle worker) talked about the supernatural insights he got concerning some of these very chapters. Ditto for Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, whose Three Days of Darkness prophecy is really Revelation chapters 8 to 11 three trumpets woes (long story short). If you try to explain that to most Dimond Brothers supporters and or the Dimonds themselves chances are they are going to call you Satan. It is quite unlikely they'll sit through a lengthy explanation on this matter and say "Walk me through it". It would be unthinkable. They are just like that. I'll leave a quote about what is in the real 3rd Secret, from a Malachi Martin interview:
Bernard Janzen: But, humanly speaking, could there be one person that would come and restore it. I don't think it's possible.
Malachi Martin: No. It must be Our Lady. It must be a supernatural thing, and she has... isn't it [true], Bernard, let's be awfully frank; even if people don't want to accept it; we know the agenda, we know the agenda very clearly. We're going to go on slipping down the slope. We're [(it's) a big thing, it's a long slope], we're very near the edge of that chasm over which we finally topple. And we're going to topple over it; and there's going to be chaos; what they call nowadays ordered chaos. Chaos under control.
And there are going to be natural calamities, as well as man-made calamities. Mistakes made by people. And finally there are going to be calamities that come upon us from the hand of God. And people will say "My God! This is not caused by nature, this is something else!"
And at the end of all that Our Lady will come and there will be a sign in the heavens, meaning she has come. And everybody will see that sign.They will know it. They will know it calls them to their conscience. It doesn' mean they are going to be converted.It means that those who are already converted will get better; it means that those who are wobbling may if they want to be confirmed in their faith; it means that the others who don't believe and refuse to believe will say "We can despair. There's no way out". It's simply God putting people on notice that things have changed.
Bernard: "But it is also Christ saying "I give you one more chance".
Martin: Yeah. It's [gagueja e repete-se com apreensão] God saying, uh, there is a refurbishment going to take place. I will have uh an apostle in charge of you now who is going to be an apostle who'd have the power to change things; because he must give the power. And know, John Paul II, that poor man, Karol Woityla, he hasn't be given by God the power to change things. But there will be a pope, a leader of Christianity, arising, who will change it all; because he would have the power built into him. John Paul II is supposed to preside over the decadence and the failure, and hold things together as long as possible; because there are people to be saved still. But the man who will do it is somebody after his death. Not the next pope, but somebody else. And that's the mystery of what is coming in the future. All that we can hold on to is the fact that...
Absolutely agree with Peter Dimond , I also heard the term "ipso facto" growing up and to my recollection, your action or actions put you outside the Catholic Church without the process of formal excommunication. The reason for not attending non Catholic services is the same as for having non Catholic religions perform in the Vatican, pachamamas etc is that it gives these false religious a type of justification when in fact they are doctrines and objects of devil's and demons.
Say what you want about Sedes, Br. Diamond did an amazing job!
When foundations are cracked and crumbling you just don't hope the House Stays up. You have the damn thing repaired ! "And the smoke of Satan has entered the CRACKS " - Paul vi
I want to thank Matt Frad for organising this debate as well as both Jeff and Peter for taking part in it. I never thought I would see this, so I was pleasantly surprised. It's rare that sedes are given a chance to explain and defend their positions on big Catholic channels. It's important for all Catholics to have these conversations in these troubled times we live in. Since recently, I've started to consider Peter's position as the most likely explanation for the crisis, but it's hard to even talk about it to other Catholics. I thought Peter did a great job here though Jeff also brought up some compelling points regarding the visibility of the Church. Though that's an issue for all trads really not just sedes.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is a demonic false teacher. He has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on all his popular videos, he isn’t a brother, he says to never attend mass, what kind of man speaks the truth yet yields such strange and darkened fruit?
I’m a Sede.
"all Catholics need to have these conversations".. No, you seem to have confused Jesus' Church with a liberal civic institution. All Catholics need to submit to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as expressed in Church councils and by the Magisterium. To think we need to "have discussions" that accuse a Church council of heresy is Protestantism.. Even Protestants would rarely refer to issues as niggling as the ones raised by Dimond as heresy.. If you want "these troubled times" to get even worse, keep giving venue to people who are attacking the unity of Jesus' church.
Clearly this brother destroyed the other guy. The other guy, is a politician
It's time for a Jimmy Akin vs. Brother Dimond debate next. I want a Vatican 2 Catholic to debate with him.
Jimmy would never do that. These heretical grifters are more concerned with keeping the money flowing than honestly assessing the facts.
Yep. Sedevacantist and Catholics have more coherent positions.
Lefebrism is inconsistent as hell
I, too, would love a debate between Akin or Trent Horn and a Dimond.
@@Jerônimo_de_Estridão what’s lefebivrsm?
@@Jerônimo_de_Estridão Right. It ultimately comes down to either accepting Vatican II in its entirety or rejecting it in its entirety (and therefore its hierarchs). The fence-sitting Lefebvrist position is nonsense.
I have always love how the dimond brothers (in previous debates) talked about how people that adhere to Vatican 2. Seem to be without spiritual teeth or seem to live in a spiritual fog.
Why can’t you call a spade a spade and a wolf a wolf? At this point. I am blown away that people can’t see that Francis literally is working to destroy the Catholic Church. What else would this guy have to do to be considered a false apostle? I guess he would have to declare some other “god” to be God instead of Christ.
But he has been doing that as well in acts and deeds. And people still have “eyes but can’t see, and ears that but can’t hear.”
Even if Francis publicly declared that he believed in Islam, people would still try to defend him. It’s spiritual blindness at this point.
PLEASE have Jimmy Akin debate Br Dimond. I would pay good money for that
I would definitely tune in for that.
I would appreciate it
Would've made for a much better more balanced debate that's for sure
I don’t think this is Akin’s wheelhouse, but John Salza and Michael Lofton would be the best contenders
You just watched it.
Sorry to say, but I found Jeff Cassman's defense of Francis and the Vatican offensive. Br. Peter Dimond was on point and above reproach.
Yours is one of the more ridiculous posts here. ‘Above reproach’ was the line that crueled you. But followed closely by ‘offensive’
@@eddiej9733 "crueled" is not a word, genius. I do agree however, that no soul, with the exception of the Holy Virgin, is above reproach.
Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.
@@raskolnikov6443 Hear! Hear! Well said. These people set themselves as Judges of the Church, which is both preposterous and scandalous.
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
It was clear Cassman was losing when the Biden question came up. His whole argument collapsed.
This was EPIC! More Diamond brothers please 🙏
Paul never rebuked Peter that’s my take as well and possibly one of the most important nuggets given to us by brother Diamond in this debate. I’ve been researching this topic for quite some time now, and while not being the most popular position this is indeed the most correct Christian stand and is based 100% on a sound biblical study, this has nothing to do with questioning the legitimacy of the papacy which Brother Diamond clearly explains. He’s a true gem.
Brother Peter getting it done! You are right there are thousands of us that see what you are saying!
A TH-camr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Bring back Br. Peter Dimond to do more debates, specially with Horn and Lofton.
Looks like nobody has the balls to debate Br. Peter Dimond.
Are we witnessing an undisputable scholar?
@@user-kb4dv1ud3fI totally respect Cassman for debating Brother, he accepted and also accepted defeat.
These type of Christian debates should occur.
I would love to see a debate between Br. Peter Diamond and Jimmy Akin. I doubt that Akin would agree to it because Br. Diamond would call him out as a heretic.
I really want to see more Br. Dimond. Please host more debates with him!
Their TH-cam channel is vaticancatholic.
@@j.knight9335 I second this! The amount of research he does is superhuman.
@@CatholicHusband Jeff cassman didn’t loose
@@cardboardcapeii4286 he did the moment he cant honestly answer if francis profess the true faith. Consider profess mean external forum. So is not needed to read hearts to answer that, and still cassman cant say a clear YES, because he knows if he does, he is identifying things like: "god wants all religions", "lutherans have the true faith of christ" , "luther was right on justification", "atheists can be saved", etc.... with professing the true faith, which would make of he himself an apostate.
In the end he admits that the official teaching of the novus ordo lead people to sin , which is imcompatible with the true catholic church. CONCLUSION: novus ordo is not the catholic church
@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 heresy doesnt nessarily remove one from the papacy.
Wow! I’ve never heard this kind of talk. This is beautiful. Thank you
I'm not a sede but clearly, Bro. Dimond won the debate. It's hard to defend the indefensible.
Being right and winning a debate are 2 completely different things.
@@Metanoia000 But he's right.
@@clarekuehn4372 no he’s not, the guys a buffoon he doesn’t even understand common core doctrine of the Catholic faith like papal infallibility for one. It’s beyond laughable and simultaneously calling himself a Catholic too, in reality he’s just a schismatic heretic like everyone in history before him who came up with their own man made ideas and fused them into theology. People like him are allowing politics dictate their religious life. They look at false headlines about the pope, they read into crazy conspiracies about the “anti pope” when they really just need to read about their own religion to inform themselves about what it actually teaches.
@@Metanoia000he can only win if he's right. This is logic, common sense and divine law!
@@chukwudiogudo5379 that’s not true and obviously you don’t know how debate works. Someone could theoretically be a complete idiot and be in the position that is correct but not know how to present it while the person who is incorrect may be capable of dressing up their incorrect arguments. This debate is a prime example of the man with the correct position not knowing how to make his case. Dimond’s position is completely incoherent as he claims to be Catholic while simultaneously saying the Catholic Church has been infiltrated and brought to its knees which is a lie and goes against everything we’ve learned from the church as well as God’s promise that the gates of hell would not be able to prevail against the church. Stop this nonsense, you guys who believe that are just heretics, there’s not much else to take away from the situation. Groups such as you sedevecantists have reared many times throughout history and always have been labeled the heretics at the end of the day. You can’t try to falsify the church and simultaneously claim to have its best interest in mind. Pure brain wash. Go read up on papal infallibility and the church’s inability to be defective.
The timestamps were taken down, probably because they made it easier to swiftly see the demolition of the Vatican II sect on display.
Jeff Cassman was CRUSHED! Totally destroyed! Dimond wins this debate!
Perhaps God is trying to tell us something. Keep these debates going. Bless you for keeping the video up and holding to integrity.
What an incredible debate, only 1 hour in and Br Dimond has won me over completely.
I reccomend watching Brother Peter's other debates as well. He beat fr james gordon, Pinesap, gnrhead (william albrecht), william golle, nick santosuso and many others. You'll start to notice that they all say the same things( for over 20 years!) but can never refute because the truth cannot be refuted. They are afraid to debate him nowadays so they resort to misrepresenting and lying about Brothers positions
@@15DecadesDaily Thanks, I will actually do that, I am floored by how good Br Dimonds case was and how it addresses literally all the concerns Ive had with the RCC
You are following a heretic, my friend. Because you have been dazzled by Diamond's ability to talk fast and use big words, you have fallen into error. This is not a debate over politics or history. The eternal life of anyone who believes in the heresy of sedevacantism is at stake, including yours. Repent and accept the one true faith or you will be damned.
@@hairypawter8475 Just checking in. Have you come out of the Vatican II/become a traditional Catholic yet? 🙂
@@mjr8279do we really have to stay home and pray rosaries?
Br Dimond won hands down. He kept calm, kept relevant and was by far the most knowledgeable.
What are you talking about is purely Protestant brothe Diamond only Protestant speaks like that none of your catholic sounds to me absolutely sick
It's because he prays God plus strick study about science, history, philosophy and theology.
He's a brother, everyone in the church it's requires knowledge seeking.
So call Brother this is why people like him we’re having trouble in the world catholic faith very normal absolutely nothing to it I am traditional catholic for 36 years
I am so grateful to God gave me second chance Here’s tried to destroyed catholic faith I am sure he knows exactly what is doing
He won because nobody else allowed to speak ha ha He’s scared to hear the truth is Saul so Empty full of pride mortal sin
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Vatican 2 has certainly become as intended, dogma. Vatican 2 is not the true Catholic Church in my opinion and many others. I personally am compelled to recognize Sedevantism as the correct teaching.
God Bless
Then you're not a Catholic. You're opinion regarding the Catholic Church about as much authority as a Sunni Imam.
If you want to join this cult, do so. Just don't pretend it's inspired by anything other than the Lucifer and his servants.
Jeff Cassman’s “”how do you stand against the entirety of the Church, how do you alone …” is eerily similar to emperor telling Athanasuis that the whole world was Arian… “Athanasuis Contra Mundum” was his response. I’m not comparing Brother Dimond to St Athanasuis but truth is not a popularity contest and Cassman’s “everyone believes…” is not a legitimate position in the case.
Many, many examples throughout history. St Thomas More's own bishops in union the Bishop of Canterbury told him the same thing. Only the elderly Bishop Fisher dissented.
You know that the Arian heresy, prevalent though hit was, was still held by a minority of the bishops, right? There are contexts of one man against a bad group, but it has never been one man against the Entirety of the visible Church. The bishops roundly condemned Arius at the council of Nicea. That's not what's happening here with Peter Diamond.
@@Scynthescizor you make all the martyers weep. How many died because the true faith was not belived by the majority, how many had to hide and recieve the sacraments only at certain situation if even able to go to church. You dont have the faith, you have not the branch, you have dead leaves.
@@MathewThorpe-w2m I'm not talking about the majority of the world, or even of the Church. I'm talking about standing against nearly the Entirety of the Church. Martyrs are heroes, and I am not diminishing their incredible sacrifices by saying as much. The branch I put my hope in is the one Christ promised to protect until the end of the world.
@@Scynthescizor God promised to keep the throne of david in perpuety but the throne was vacant for a while. Francis doing prayer with the devils spawns isnt the church. The true church is not vatican 2, and dont go to eastern orthodox there completely wrong.
Halfway through and Br. Dimond seems to be in full control of this debate.
He was definitely on the offensive while the other was 100% just defensive
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He won the debate but is still in schism and outside of the church with disobedience towards authority
@@marypreethavalentine9851 WRONG and you have no authority to pronounce schism unless Dimond rejects the CHAIR OF PETER. Dimond rejects the current apostate who sits in the chair, not the chair. "Better there be scandal than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Felix. You are a typical, ignorant, illiterate Novus Ordite.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Congratulations Br. Dimond. Truth is authority.
Your Excellency, you cannot supporting (I wanted to say : congatulating) him...
The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII.
These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the Br. Dimond.
Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.”
Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ.
Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so these people denying the Authority of Popes had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized Paul VI in 1964 and 1965.
👏👏👏😇
Fake bishop. First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
I don't want to be a sedevacantist but Bro. Peter Diamond got some really good and essential points to observe.
Congrats. You're protesting christs one church and listening to a modern day Martin luther. Popes can be sinners you know. Thats doesn't change christs church is his church.
Cassman, as the modernists THINK they are in the right side of Catholicism. brother Dimond is a deeply knowledgeable man and saint. We need more like him
Br. Dimond Is an echo from our past and the original voice light penetrating the darkness against the modernist. I for one appreciate him and standing up for our intended faith.
@@krypton1982 From what I've read I would not consider Brother Dimond a saint. He brutally attacks Pope Benedict XVI. 😓
@@NorahDugganBenedict XVI is a modernist
@@NorahDugganHe does brutally attack him, especially when Benedict XVI said scripture was historically inaccurate in "Jesus of Nazareth: Holy Week."
Brother Diamond indeed won the debate. It was apparent, very early on, that Mr. Cassman was out of his league.
The diamond brother won that debate for sure.
It’s been 1 year from this debate and now…there is a bishop and even an archbishop saying what diamond is saying.
There had been bishops and archbishops and even patriarchs saying that the Roman church became heretical for around a thousand years now, since the latin bishops had rejected universally accepted conciliar dogma a long time ago. These bishops are the Eastern Orthodox ones.
I was at a wedding recently where Tennesse Whisky was the song played as people went up to Holy Communion.
God bless Bro Peter Dimond
First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
Oh how sad it is to see men who claim to be Catholic while proclaiming, against Our Lord's very promise (Mt 16:18), that the gates of Hell have prevailed against His Church.
@@Win5ton67not what that means , st Thomas aquinas says what it means and that is , the lying tongues of the heretics which is in the Vatican II
@@Win5ton67 the Lord said he will never leave the church. But the Church leave our Lord when the High authorities in Vatican committed numerous heretical things.
@@JulreeDangngay-es6nm Have you been appointed by God to be a Judge of the Church or Her authorities?
It’s hard to believe Cassman can’t seem to comprehend the Difference between ‘Doctrinal Errors’ and ‘HERESY’ taught by Popes. Without getting defensive, out of fear of compromising his position.
Trent Horn is afraid of debating Brother Peter directly.
I seriously doubt that
@BrotherinChr1st
Where in Catholicism is Peter Diamond of higher authority than the ordinary Magisterium? He absolutely has been debunked and is a heretic.
Just like Scott Hahn and Karl Keating are afraid to debate James White. They're afraid to debate someone too versed in the topic
@@petevaldezbc1 Why say something so pathetically uncharitable? What did you gain? Did you grow closer to Jesus?
@@petevaldezbc1Dr James white was absolutely destroyed by Alex from Voiceofreason TH-cam in a debate 😂😂
Sedevacantism, what ever its truth, won this debate.
%100 supernatural faith is going on here. If you know what true charity is, you can see it working through Bro Peter and the work of the monastery. Debates aren't just to score points, to truly move the hearts of others requires love and conformity to the will of God. He changes you into a new creature if you don't stand in your own way. People in the comments are cleary enamored by the vibe Bro Peter gives off, seeing his face and hearing his voice.. he's a real person too. That's why I don't take his approach as a sign of bad will, rather it is of a care and love for other's souls and love of God.
Brother Peter has pure intentions and it’s great to see
Even if only one lost sheep is found.
He is a smart guy for sure but you cannot know that his intentions are pure just by looking at his face. He could be a good actor
I’m surprised to see so many good willed, real Catholics in the comment section.
May we persevere till the end! Always pray!
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Bro.Peter Dimond is based as always💪
I am not a sede nor even SSPX,but I must admit that Brother Peter did a better job.
Because he holds to the truth. God bless you.
Whis order is he in?
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m none, he is a sede
@@timothy1168 thank you. Are you on his side? I don't even understand half of what they're saying. I have only NO where I live, i didn't even knew that's the thing
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m I am not on his side. I a, simply saying he made the better argument, even though I vehemently disagree with it. Sede is short for sedevacantist, Latin for “the chair is empty”. They think all the popes from John XXIII to the current Pope Francis are all anti-popes, and hence they reject the NO and other things. Their position is a false one to take. The church must have a pope.
I wish this never ended; there was so much more to be said!
Pope Pius XI: “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the meetings of non-Catholics…” (Mortalium Animos, 1928)
Jeff kept chugging nervously for a reason...that cup had to be empty mid debate. Bro Dimond brought that 🔥.
When an intelligent man who is usually a great debater has no good arguments, perhaps his position is so false that even he can't defend it successfully. I am convinced that the papal seat is vacant and that's the only Catholic position at this point especially with the blatant errors pushed by Francis.
The see has been vacant since 1054
@@Orthodoxology nice try schismatic
I'm sure it's deeper than this, but the Cassman guy sounds like everything comes down to 1) "But it's the Pope". 2) "Who is your Bishop? Without a Bishop to tell you what you see, hear, and how to feel about it you can't be correct".
Who is going to speak up when the system has been infiltrated at it's highest levels? The modern Catholic Church wouldn't be the 1st organization, religious or not, to ha e it's highest ranks infiltrated and subverted.
The beauty of rejecting V2, is that V2 teaches that those outside the Catholic church are IN the Catholic Church. So it’s win win for sedes!
This one definitely shook things up in a good way. You can’t please everyone, I would love to see more dialog on this topic. A V2 defender vs diamond or someone of his caliber would be great
Brother Dimond has many debates posted on his youtube channel
I’ve always ignored sedevacantism … thank you for bringing this to light and giving me something to ponder
Beware of sedevacantism, since it is an impass.
The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII.
These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists.
Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.”
Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ.
Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965.
So, we must obey it, and you should check out the videos I share on my account, these videos are translated in English and could be very helpful for you.
@@fidefidelis4912 I guess they (sedevacantists) will now have to refer to Leo XII and XIII as 'antipopes' or 'so called popes' or 'Fathers of the Vatican II church' or the likes.
You are welcome to contact vaticancatholic and they will respond with any questions you have!
@@julianj8609 Which bishop recognizes you as Catholic ?
@@fidefidelis4912 Bishop Guerard des Lauriers, Bishop Carmona, Archbishop Thuc etc.
Please set up another debate with Dimond! I'm saying this because I'm not a sedevacantist but he is genuinely convincing. If what he says is true we should all be sedes but if it is not he should be refuted by some heavy-lifter, that means some monk from England or France, not Jimmy Akin or Trent Horn
There is no such monk... the only "heavy-lifter" monks who have the courage to debate the truth publicly, are MHFM.
The Truth can not be refuted, which is why these false prophets always divert to trying to slander him
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
What about Peter debating Ralph Martin this would bring great clarity .
There is no one in the world that will debate Bro. Peter and refute his position. The truth can't be refuted. Sedevacantism is the position of the Church of Christ today. That's not against any infallible teaching.
Brother Dimond just now released a new video exposing Trent Horn and challenging him to a debate.
And as can be expected, he handily dismantled Horn’s position.
Trent Horn is a self-promoting heretic and has IMO, a third-rate mind. He wouldn't dare debate Dimond. Like Fradd, the Gordon brothers, Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Inc., too many pseudo-intellectuals wanted to grow up to be professional Catholics, promoting not faith, but their own cults of personality and puerile books written to a sixth grade comprehension level.
The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 Trent Horn's position on what?
Peter Diamond exposes his own false teaching by contracting the Bible
Thank you for hosting Bro. Peter Dimond, he convinced me of the sedevacantist position.
Have fun not receiving any of the sacraments!
@@grosty2353 Receiving any sacraments under the false V2 church, except baptism is sacrilege.
@@Flagrum3 just Baptism and Matrimony which are Valid under Vatican II.
@@Flagrum3 you cannot prove this claim.
@@Consume_Crash Sure I can. Try reading how Antipope Paul VI changed the liturgy, the wording for consecrations, ordinations etc., along with other things such as the mass, which puts them all in question, if not make them null and void. Plus the V2 church is NOT the Catholic Church but an imposter church which opposes all traditional church dogmas, making it an apostate church. It is a grave sin to have any part in the V2 cult.
Dimond won and was leagues ahead and few Catholics want to agree
Perhaps because he's not actually teaching Catholic dogma...
Protestant here... Brother Peter definitely won this debate. His arguments were very convincing and logical, unlike Cassman, who was arrogant and contradictory.
Also, news flash - the twelve disciples were LAYMEN.
Likewise. Your objection to my opinion doesn't "make it so" either. @user-kb4dv1ud3f
Likewise. Your objection to my opinion does not "make it so" just because you said so either...@user-kb4dv1ud3f