Morality of Sports, Games, & Video Games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2021
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This is a good homily for a both old and modern forms of playing games, and help's reminds us what a game is for, thank you for uploading this I think there are way to many people that take games far too serious and need to be reminded what a game is for, to relax and have fun.
I tend to gravitate toward classic video games from the 80's and 90's. They are easy to pick up and play, and the controls are fairly simple (usually 2 or 3 buttons). I can easily stop playing after 5 minutes if I need to do something else, or if I really have some free time, a lot of these games can be beaten in under an hour. They are non-addictive to me, and they also give me a dose of nostalgia, reminding me of fun times in my childhood and the people that I used to play games with.
Exactly. I believe games that are short and skill based, [card games, board games, arcade games], are easy to pickup and put down. Progression games are the traps one should avoid.
This is a great way to look at it! Unless it is your job, it shouldn't feel like a job or have the aspects of a job. Those are good signs that it is taking too high if a priority in your life. I experienced they same thing with Apex Legends, a fun and relaxing game with friends at first, but a desperate grind for levels once you buy the season pass. So much of the industry wants your time and money for all the wrong reasons and with little pay off.
I’ve heard the same sentiment expressed about MMOs like World of Warcraft. The competition to get those coveted top spots as a World First raider are so insidious that people start to hate themselves for succumbing to a grind. Even going out of their way to blame the cash shop, the boosting, the greed, or the scandal found in everyone else but themselves, it leaves one wanting to avoid the heartache entirely because it leaves you feeling like the gambler is in all of us.
I've played games with massive time sucks. They definitely become jobs. Planning, modding, grinding. Its just not fun. There's always something to want and you start taking pride in something so menial. I've since dropped those sort of games for simpler games. [Card games, board games, arcade games, etc] I find games that rely on your abilities, rather than measures of progression are better. Chess gives you all the pieces, its up to you to win the match. Its short, thought provoking, and fun. All the better.
i can’t wait. it’s something that’s been on my mind
I think as I’ve gotten older I’m kinda starting to go through a midlife crisis at 23 lol, and I’ve realized how much time I’ve wasted on games, specifically Overwatch and fps games like it. It definitely is like an addiction, I go off it for a time but I get so bored and get “cravings” to redownload it, so I waste time on it again.
Perhaps, and God-willing someday I’ll look back at this comment when I’ve overcome those addictions and have spent my time getting closer to God and becoming financially successful and I’ll laugh.
We will pray for you!
Good sermon for parents who yell at referees at their kids sporting events. lol
What an awesome talk. Thanks be to God.
He missed what I've heard many speak of which is recreation is when we unite closely to the state of God who never has need of work or toil, all his creation is recreation, the artist participates in this gift when he created but also when we play games. All rightly ordered games will build some form of character and natural virtue and in many cases it requires the complete exhaustion of effort and sport tests the character of man. Games and sport I believe are not quite the same thing. But great homily.
St Francis was a heavy Euro gamer at heart. He probably only played Uwe Rosenberg or Vital Lacerda games.
This was an excellent homily. I was expecting a lecture and not an education on what recreation is and should be. Thank you.
What an excellent homily! Thanks for posting these!
This was a great sermon. At one time I signed up for online risk to try and improve my skills at the real risk game. In hindsight that was taking such a trivial thing way too seriously to begin with. The online version was designed to be so addictive that it enslaved me. I ended up not sleeping or eating for three days. I know that is an extreme case, but some fall victim to these things more easily than others. I remember playing one level and telling myself I just needed to finish this last one before sleeping. But then, maybe as an inspiration from my guardian angel, I had the question of what would completing this level accomplish in both spiritual and temporal matters. The answer was absolutely nothing. I laughed at my weakness, turned off my computer and went to sleep. Strangely enough I had no desire to play the game after that for the longest time. But then suddenly, months later, I had a desperate feeling that I needed to try it again. Gratefully, attending daily Mass and praying the rosary prevented me from not living life while trying it a second time, but I still spent way too long at it. Eventually, I had the same question and stopped cold turkey again. Basically, I can't play those games because I can't seem to stop. I have to recognize my own weakness. But I also agree with Father that if a game is designed to be addictive then it is probably immoral to partake at all.
Thank you for sharing and God bless!
Awesome homily👏
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Amen!!
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I was playing CODM for months none stop, I still got my daily rosary in and holy hour everyday but honestly I was playing the game all day it felt so addicting I had to uninstall it yesterday. I’m 23 and obviously I’m too grown to even be on that app just wasting hours, I can only imagine how much it affects pre teens or smaller children that have parents let them play all day.
I get ya. I think I've played like 8000+ hours in video games across my childhood. I was allowed to essentially play all day, every day. Its... not fun. It very much becomes an addiction [I think the proper word is dependence], and its sort of the medium I lived my life through. Its the "freedom", gameplay loops, the ease of play, and the "perceived" social connection which makes it so pulling. It was a good way to ignore my problems. It starts out wholesome, but quickly becomes all consuming. The priest hit the nail on the head.
After hearing sermons from good priests, and in light of my own condition, I finally deleted all the games on my computer. I deleted all my gaming accounts, meaning I can't retrieve the many games I purchased over the years. I'm done and I have to say, I feel GREAT. I don't feel compulsed anymore and I can take or leave any fun activity.
@@dakabaka4912 glad to hear you cut them out of your daily routine I get urges to play but I know I can let it go which is why I took it out my phone, im starting to be productive today 😌 it feels great! Gods timing is amazing
@@Juliannarvivas True. God leaves nothing unaddressed if you listen. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to be more productive. Probably going to see a spiritual director soon. Best of luck.
Wow I feel you we have the same experience. CODM is truly addicting and I just realized it earlier that it's not healthy for me now. This video helps me a lot.
@@dakabaka4912 I'm the same I've been playing video games since I was like 13 and if I had to estimate how many total hours I've spent playing it's somewhere around 15,000+ and I'm in University right now. I find it extremely difficult to quit playing not because I'm addicted but because I've made so many good friends. So last year I just started limiting myself. Quit playing for lent, decreased playtime from the entire day to 1-2 hours. Eventually, I know I will quit but I'm just enjoying the little bit I have left. Playing video games will become impossible once I have a job and God willing a wife and plenty of kids. I've replaced playtime with more prayer, reading theological books, and striving for sainthood; God bless.
A very reasonable homily. I would have loved him to touch on tabletop role-playing games such as Dungeons and Dragons but I believe the principles stated here could be easily translated for use in this favorite past time (since 1974).
I am not sure about other tabletop games, however, growing up my (evangelical at the time, but I hope to fully convert to catholicism) well meaning, family would always warn against dungeons and dragons, from some sort of story of a group of children getting possessed and becoming very violent from playing it, and we never bought the game or even seen it. We also bought yu gi oh cards and our mother made us rip them up and throw them away, due to the summoning parts of the show and self explanatory dark magician girl (with pentagram in its design!) I'm not saying all tabletop games are bad, pokemon and monopoly can be quite fun with family and friends, its just I'd be wary of media/entertainment and do research on it beforehand before deciding if they seem to go against our faith. I've had to let go of tv shows and games due to younger me not noticing blasphemous nature/false gods in them/or just for the fact it takes too much time consumption or its too addicting!
For example me and my siblings had a chance to go to a voice actor's meet-up at a comic book store only for us to do research and find out he showed aggression towards the fact another voice actor co worker would proudly profess he was evangelical, and he also had a severely big ego and a God complex. We felt like we dodged a bullet then.
D&D and other role playing games are condemned as sinful.
Once again, great talk
4:25 One of the best ways to have some fun :)
I struggle with placing too much importance on games but would still like to know what I am missing from question below regarding professional athletics
Point-and-click adventure games can be great tools for practicing other languages, but it is difficult to find ones that do not have objectionable content. "Silence" "Syberia" and "FoxTail" are the closest I could find for practicing languages (Polish, German, Ukrainian). "Monkey Island" very well done, but promotes magic potions and Voodoo, which is definitely dangerous.
Was this one of priest from Mt Carmel in Denver? Not wanting to Dox anyone, just curious if I got the voice right. I noticed that the priest isn't always listed in the description.
This also applies to the stock market
Word.
Yeah. He's dead on. I was one of the those people who got sucked into gaming for hours at a time. It as my childhood. Its really not fun. Limit your time, play simpler games, or drop video games entirely. All are great solutions.
Two years from 40, STILL playing games. Games are always fun, unless one isn't good at it.. Ark: Survival Evolved & Conan: Exiles, Tom Clancys The Division, as well as its sequel & Forza are good examples, challenging & fun.. I still work hard, both away from the house & AT the house, my 100lb stack of reclaimed copper are evidence of that.. I find enjoyment in getting my hands dirty & gathering sweat on my brow, & shedding blood working towards my goal.. "All work & no play, etc"..
@Nick Gur what does THAT matter??
To be honest, I was expecting to hear a lot of backslash about :P
Lord let my cross be a piece off of your Cross :pray::candle:️Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is *still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions,* for the sake of his body, which is the church.
What are people's thoughts about how this relates to the morality of competitive sports, or even competitive chess?
Well, according to the homily, if a game or a sport can have a negative impact on an person's mental and/or spiritual state, then it would be classified as a bad game or sport.
Would it be sinful for a Catholic child to dedicate grueling effort and many hours to become a great track runner? If he dreams of going to the olympics and does what it takes to get there, is that sinful? (the hard work is certainly not fun). He seems similar to an artist perfecting a craft. Is working hard to be a great artist sinful? Is playing cards with family (games of chance) without betting sinful? These are genuine questions I have.
I felt this he generalised a bit too much about what kinds of games there are. Though it seems games are a time sink for most people, but so are any other hobbies this day and age, aren't they?
Right, but Video games is by far the most popular, especially among men. Many men who have states in life that demands them to be active. [edit] Games are also special mediums built in with mental hooks that other hobbies just aren't. Games can become more of a trap than baseball or painting.
Not really. What he says of games applies broadly to activities where the primary end is fun for the purpose of mental refreshment, it seems. This end does not apply to hobbies like reading or practicing a fine art, which serve a higher purpose (they may not even be fun).
Games are intentionally developed to act like casinos nowadays. Previously there may have been some element of addiction, but it was mainly due to the game being inherently fun. Now they hook you on bright lights, exciting sounds, and slot like mechanics/gambling within the in game ecosystems.
@@StoneAgeWarfare That's a too general of a statement. There are different companies and different genres out there. Not all games are fortnight.
I am one of those people who doesn't care about sports-simply no interest. Should I try to learn about them?
Well that's only if you want its Nice to give a try moustly with freinds so you see how it goes?
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So can Catholics play Uno or Monopoly? Is that allowed... or scrupulosity is kicking in again.
Hello. Excuse me, I play a video game. Is that sinful in itself? Thanks and God bless you.
Hello, I can address your issue. Like all games, if this game leads you away from God or is disordered, or immoral in any way, then it is. In other ways, if you are more attached to games/movies than things pertaining to God, then you are -in a way- worshipping them. All things are supposed to lead you to God, so if you are everything about Games, so obsessed about it that you do not have time for prayer or good works, then that’s when it becomes sinful because it is leading away from God, instead of closer. I know video games are fun, even Blessed Carlo Acutis engaged in it a bit too much sometimes -but repented obviously. Here’s a hint: Imagine Our Lord beside you when you play those games, would you want him to be there? The yes or no as the answer will help you figure out if those games should actually be played. The main point is that your games should not lead you to sin either by too much engagement, immorality, violence, distraction away from God, etc. I hope this could help. 😀😀
@@christinemako7714 Ok, thank you. I play Minecraft but I'm not gonna attach myself with it too much.
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@@christinemako7714 Is it immoral to play Skyrim?
@@StLouis-yg8jp hello. Thanks for asking. Well, I’m not really an expert in games but it’s going to be way out of track of those games contain a lot of sexual themes, or violence, or profanity, or gore, etc. In that case, it is immoral because even if it does not lead you to sin, it is a proximate occasion of one. It does not glorify God. A saint once said that if whatever you are doing cannot be offered up to God, then it is useless. So, I’d say try something else; something more innocent and fun!!!! Mario is a good one!
I like Father Ripperger's take on video games, in which he applies the words of St. Paul, "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child."
Implying that video games are for children only, which isn’t the case
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer the way I see it there are men who can balance their state in life and fit video games in there too. Personally I don't believe I'm one of those people. More power to you though.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer it's less about being a child, and more about states in life, which are different for everyone and change with time. Hope that makes sense.
i admit i watch speedruns, it's more entertaining than any tv show or movie!
ME, when i play CSGO. I so badly want to enjoy CSGO. I made $50,000 playing it and now it is more of 2nd a job. I do see some good in it tho, it requires alot of patience and kindness.
Wow, that's more than I make in my one job..... Would have been great if I made that much playing World of Warcraft when it was basically my unpaid side hustle. Alas I cannot be temperate with video games though and just stopped playing them.
@@rushthezeppelin I quit playing for like 8 years but had little to do once I had my conversion. I needed an outlet besides prayer and church. It was a good one for me. The community itself definitely carries alot of the issues father talks about but they are avoidable.
Why would it be worse to get good at computer football than real football, if both in the end are meaningless skills either way?
Benefits from physical exercise
Good point, though I do think some arguments can be made as to why it's better to play real football than video game football. (Physical exercise, as opposed to sitting in front of the computer all day. Social interaction, as opposed to than internet chat which masquerades as "social" but is in fact anti-social. Conducive to acquiring fortitude, as opposed to effeminacy. etc.)
I think Father's point is that some people sort of retreat into their games, in order to get away from reality. And that's bad, because we live in reality. And some people make the game their source of consolation, which is basically a form of idolatry.
@@danieljennings3528 Good answer.
Though I am unsure to what degree it's antisocial if you interact with the same friends on the regular, talking to them and not just writing, and about more than the game in front of you.
I met one friend on the internet, never seen him in real life. Now after a year I've managed to convince him to call the local parish and take his first steps into the church.
Sooo competitive sports are wrong? Most elite athletes need to invest a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into their sport. It’s not exactly fun to wake up early for training every morning. I thought this was a great feat of dedication, discipline, and self denial. Now I’m confused.
Grinding and gambling is immoral, JRPGs and Gacha destroyed.
So...
...I lost the game.
The notion of two men ‘competing’ against each other in an absolute sense is as absurd as a cat ‘competing’ against a dog. In metaphysical terms each man is the equivalent of his own ‘species’. There is no common measure between them. Hence God judges each man wholly as an individual.
Many great athletes speak of competing against themselves as being the real point of the training. Attempting to best oneself is a good way to avoid envy or conceit! In relation to other athletes however it is still beneficial to compare the virtues of different trainings and see how they hold up against the training styles of your competition. Analyzing your own natural gifts or lack thereof and developing a strategy to be pitted up against your adversaries is a good typology of the spiritual life. The world , the flesh, and the Devil are always at work to undermine our spiritual success. That’s why St Paul writes we must “run as to win the race”. Prudence should lead one to develop our resilience using the graces from the sacraments to build virtue on virtue until they reach the perfection of charity.
Meh, judgement may be individual, but the "communion of saints" is still a thing. Our progress towards preparing for our individual judgement very much takes place in the context of other people. I'd argue that healthy competition (for those whose temperament disposes them to be competitive) is a very useful tool to that end. Competition is a form of learning through imitation, which for some people is the primary way they get good at things.
I'd actually argue that it would be a disorder for men to not have some area of competition in his life. Iron sharpens iron.
@Samuel Barry how can there ever be a ‘fair match’ between two men? Each man is fundamentally different and possesses a fundamentally different body and mind. And not to mention having good days and bad days. So every match is a handicap match.
@@Michael-vf2mw competing to better yourself is great. As long as the competitors understand they are only really competing against themselves.