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You must raise the brightness of shadows and lower the contrast.. i have galaxy phone with Oled display and there is zero details in black areas in the video
You didn't think it would be possible to ruin the simple and elegant design of a 5 Series, yet they have done it. That's an accomplishment at this point.
Why? The G80 and 82:s were both destroyed regarding looks and weight and what happened? They are by far the market leaders and praised nowadays in every review.
yeah especially In the interior. Where is the leather dashboard and doors, the metal buttons of the prev. gen? If you look closely they have also cheaped out on the carped in the trunk. Such a shame
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 who cares about design, when the usabilty is worse 🤷? I'm missing quick lunch 1-8 buttons, volume knob (in front on me), temperature knob, seat heating - colling buttons, modes buttons. Just bring back the buttons🤦🤦🤦
What worries me is that 5 series got longer than 5 meters and wider than 1,90m, which makes parking in cities and even private garages more difficult. They had to increase the dimensions of the car in order to make more space for the 1 inch bigger wheels (overall wheel diamater increased compared to the G30 line), and to make more space for batteries. Since the overall weight of the car increased, in overall bigger wheels had to be fitted since bigger wheels can handle bigger weight. Finally, overall bigger wheels (I mean the full diamater rim plus tire) provide better comfort when driving over pot holes, but this comes at the expense of the car size and available space in the interrior, where trunk space in G60 line reduced by 10 liters compared to G30 line. An innovative engineering solution would be to accommodate all the mentioned new requirements, but without increasing the size of the car, keeping the same size of interior. Otherwise, it looks like by the current trend, after 15 years from now, we will have upper-middle class cars with length of at least 6 meters and widht of 2,5 meters.
I hear you - thats the must by this large battery packs right now - I hope the development will provide us with same capacity but half the weight and size. And no that's already on the outer limits of size for cars. If you cannot go down town / park you don't buy a car like his - I wouldn't. My local airport already offers "XXL - Parking" for large SUVs and very wider cars - well thats another way ....
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Since most of the driveways and garage spaces will not get bigger with time, the size increase of new car models will soon hit the limit since buyers will have no space to park them.
@@Zeeraha you would think so - but it only stops if the customers are buying smaller and lighter in favor of bigger and heavier which was in unbroken trend the last ....20 years? All the world is only buying growing SUVs? I am using a lot the parking at my local airport - they are not offering already XXL parking for more money..means...
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 What I am sure is that in my garage space I could not fit BMW X5, I could not get into the car if I park there. My 5 series G30 already overhangs on the rear and it is partially in the way of the neighbouring car who wants to get out of his garage space. My friend figured out that he could not even fit Škoda Octavia in his private garage. He would not be able to get into the car due to the closing walls on the side, and he is now searching to buy not so wide car.
@@Zeeraha Good point professional parking companies are reacting to that offering already large space, but your own garage at home? you can only buy a smaller car. Especially if it's an EV and you have a wallbox inside the garage.
I sat in the new I5 at the Fully Charged event a couple of weeks ago here in Vancouver. The interior is cheap. It does not feel as if it is built to the same quality standards of any 5-Series prior. It feels no better than a non-premium brand. Very much a shame.
They're making those cars for chinese market and i have to admit. It looks like chinese cheap toy. Didn't they think that chinese buys eu cars cause of elegant design ?
I also somehow prefer the base model, it's way less overdone. The one You're showing in Mineral White is quite nice with those 20 inch rims. I think I would go for that version but get the M-Sport Steering Wheel - sadly that's apparently not an option in the Configurator anymore, as You need to get the full M package to have the M-Sport steering wheel.
I agree, the base model with the traditional grille looks far better than the M Sport on this occasion which has too much black below the black grille. It is great that BMW are sticking to the traditional 5 Series which appeals more to conservative buyers but at the same time offers a BMW sporting drive.
Thanks for the great overview! This car is now officially longer than a VW Phaeton, but I struggle to understand why. I am convinced BMWs' design team has absolutely lost their minds unfortunately. The front just looks ghastly, I can't describe it in any other way. I find it hard to believe someone at BMW stood back proud of this exterior, and higher ups actually approved it.
Presumably to squeeze more battery into the electric version, and having decided to use the same platform for both ICE and EV, it applies to both. EVs everywhere are getting longer and wider...unfortunately.
@@notagain2856 Like what rivals? Because BMW sales numbers have killed the competition in the last six years. Mercedes, Lexus and Audi are way lower than BMW in terms of sales figures.
@@sirbuftontufton5846to squeeze more battery into it? they did the complete opposite and just put the battery of the i4 in it and the i4 even has more range, they completely lost the potential for its size and designed a car that's just bad looking
I agree it looks sleeker without the M Sport package! I think the 3 series has a nicer front in the Base Sport models rather than the M Sport package aswell
Interesting. Since the LCI came out, I find the 3-series M-Sport to have a much, much nicer front than the base model. Looks really agressive and sporty, which fits a 3-series well but would be weird with a 5-series which is a more distinguished, civilized car. Or are you perhaps talking about non-LCI 3-series from before 2023? Because then I'm in agreement. With the LCI I just think the M-Sport package looks really, really good, except perhaps the "diffuser" on the backside, which is a bit too much for this type of car and with the LCI it also has these strange black corners pointing up on the corners of the rear bumper, which make the rear look a bit weird at times. Still find the LCI M-sport to look stunning though, even with that somewhat weird rear bumper Aside from that, I think the design of the current 5-series is a step back or multiple steps even. The previous model was a true masterpiece, especially the LCI. Stunningly beautiful car
@@BinaryBlueBull I think it’s the front design of the 3 LCI M Sport that I find a little too aggressive (especially in a lighter colour). I agree though it does crate a really sporty look! I guess I just prefer a more traditional nose maybe? I completely agree re the 5 series though - the former design was a thing of beauty….
@@phileagle8432 Ah yes, I can see what you mean. They did indeed go all-in on aggression and sportiness so I can imagine it can be polarizing look, like so many BMW's these days. The 3-series has always been sporty but it always had a bit of the stateliness of the 5-series as well. That is much less with the new generation and even more so with the LCI M-sport. Also, when looked at from the side, the M-sport front bumper sticks out past the hood much more so than before, which gives it quite a pronounced.....square jaw is the best I can describe it as? I do like that but I can totally see what you're saying though about the front being too agressive. I'm a bit biased as well, because last year I bought a G20 LCI M-sport in Portimao blue, so a medium bright colour. I agree with you that it's too agressive with the really bright colours, even for me 😛 always fascinating to see how much tastes can differ between people, especially so when there's a reasoning behind it that I can understand
@@BinaryBlueBull I guess the designers get us all talking don’t they (let’s not even mention the new X2 for now). I bet your car looks great in Portimao blue - that is a lovely colour and I think shows off the rear quarter sloping curves on the 3 and 4 series GC really well!
@@phileagle8432 Yup, I genuinely think that is on of the reasons for BMW's eccentric design choices these last few years. Seems to me like they want to get people to feel very strongly about the designs and talk about them. That said, my reactions in the past 5 years or so have been more negative than positive. Especially the 7-series, no idea what they were trying to go for with that front design. Though, like all those weird designs of late, it does stand out. I feel like almost all their iconic cars have taken a turn for the worse in their latest iterations. M2 (front & rear), 2-series + X2 (let's not talk about it, indeed), M3 (front), M4 (front), 7-series (mostly front) and now this 5-series. Not to mention the 1-series which turned into a dime-a-dozen, FWD hatchback in stead of the only fun RWD in its class that also looks nice. I also wonder if perhaps it's the influence of the growing Chinese market and the differences in taste which is contributing to this or something. Oh well, at least we're talking about it, indeed. And I guess I can admire their boldness and willingness to break from the norm, if nothing else. And yes, I do indeed think it looks quite lovely in Portimao, I've wanted one in that colour since I first saw it more than a decade ago, precisely because of the reasons you mention. I still look over my shoulder almost every time I walk away. The only more beautiful blue that BMW has, in my opinion, is Marina Bay blue which is my absolute favourite but costs like $4000 more than Portimao. And perhaps San Marino blue, which I find on par with Portimao. Yes, I do love BMW blues, indeed. Interesting conversation, thanks!
Great review Thomas. So many similarities to the new 7 series. Personally I really don't like all the high gloss black trim or the emphasis on touch controls. The 5 series is now huge at over 5m, longer than a Bentley Continental GT!!! ❤
No matter how many reviews I watch of Thomas they are always interesting informative & amusing. Now we have an added bonus to improve one's German lingo 9:55 "listen and repeat Einsitzhöhe." Is Thomas secretly sponsored by Rosetta Stone? LOL
I also have to agree with Thomas on the normal kidney grill. Funny enough the whole front with the normal "bright" kidney looks beefier than the "M"-Package kidney in direct comparison.
What I don't understand is why the car had to get soo much longer ? BMW claims it is because the platform needed more room for the battery. BUT almost all of the extra length went into the nose ! Is the battery in the nose now ? The 5 series is 11 cm longer than an Mercedes E-Klasse but 10 of those extra cm went exclusively in the frontal overhang. Its now 94,5 cm long with the BMW but only 84,8 cm with the Mercedes. That means that the Mercedes not only has much better and more dynamic proportions but the new 5 series actually doesn't have more space inside despite all that growth in lengths !
Why there are no more reviews for 'normal' versions of the cars. I mean it would be great to see a review of a car that everybody can buy and not some M, pro, sport, gti ultra carbon cheremic unicorn seats version.
Thats why I included the base version in this review, if u have checked full length. Manufacturers usually always present highest trim vehicles to show off what they have, as a review u cannot even get anything else
@@autogefuehlno man this is exactly is my point, your last sentence. This should be review for the customers not for the manufacturers. I am following your channel for 5 years now and back then it affected my decision in buying my current car. But the revies ware from customer point of view. I am sorry to say but the quality is not on that level. You are presenting you self as product promotor instead of reviewer, you videos look like these top shop kind of videos where they try to shove as many 'features' of some junk as they could. And these 'top' models are exactly that, i think you know it. I won't be suppressed if the manufacturers are not paying for these reviews. It sure looks like it. Again i am sorry to say this but it is my opinion.
Nothing changed here except we speak even more open about the vehicles. No idea how u got that impression. I am free to say whatever I want and I m not paid to say anything
That's it, BMW managed to ruin the design of their last good looking car, the previous 5 series looked so much better... 2:54 agreed Thomas, but still worse than the previous gen 5 series.
Great review, thank you! I am not sure if BMW is going in the right direction. The “M” badge no longer is for real M cars. Practically, you can find an M badge on anything. The M nowadays stands for [m}arketing. Recently, BMW has kept increasing the prices, but also taking a lot away when it comes to options and packages. For example, on the new 2024 5 Series they have eliminated multi-contour seats, the door sills are gone, the panoramic glass moonroof does not open, they eliminated the M emblem on the real M calipers, US market will not get the touch screen digital 4-zone climate control on the 5 Series, no message seats, and no Dynamic Handling Package, which included the anti-roll stabilizer, active steering, and four wheel steering. The issue is not just about the 5 Series, the X5 SAVs are getting short-changed for the US market, yet they are built in the US. Those who are new to BMW or just want the emblem, would not know the difference. But for the majority who are BMW enthusiasts and know the brand well, BMW is losing those enthesitis, which make up about 80% of the loyal clients. BMW cannot keep using supply and demand, chip shortage, or lack of manpower, etc. Look at BMW competitors like Mercedes-Benz, Range Rover, and Audi, they keep the prices competitive and certainly are not short-changing their clients with options, packages, or even standard equipment. When you look at the BMW window sticker, some of the stuff has to be standard, instead, BMW is nickel and dime and charges $100 for this, $350 for that, etc. Especially cars that are well over $100K. And lastly, the H&K sound system should be standard. With only 465W per channel, it is an embarrassment to Honda Accord Elite or Toyota Camry XLE, as their sound system is about 600W per channel. But, BMW charges you $875 for that crap.
There’s people that disagree with the design language of the new 5 series, which is fine but I have to disagree as I think this is quite a handsome looking car
Hey Thomas! It's the watch guy....I love this new style! It really sets BMWs apart. I'm not a fan of Mercedes new design direction. It's TOO rounded. Can't wait to see what Audi is going to do with styling in the future!
BMW totally lost the potential by using the same battery and motors from the i4. they could have used a much bigger battery for the i5, especially if you think about how much bigger the car is compared to the i4, and the i4 even has better range while being even "cheaper".
Feels like they went "well we fit this battery already to the platform lets use it again". Maybe since NK is coming soon this won't see a (electric) LCI and is relatively short lived generation.
People complained when BMW chose to use ICE platform for their EV:s. Now they complain that they use EV-platform for their EV:s. People always find a way to complain about BMW. The range of my Taycan is 450 to 500 km in the summer and 300 to 350 km in the winter, I have not even once felt I need more range. And I have driven multiple times from Finland to Austria.
Excellent review as always explaining everything i details way better than the average salesman. when is the 530e hybrid review coming out, it is also an interesting alternative
With the length of the new 5 series, I’m not surprised the 7 comes only as a long wheel base… if not then the 7 series would be too close in length to the 5 series. Another clever manoeuvre from a car manufacturer to increase the vehicle size even more. At least there’s an option for rear wheel steering 👍🏼 Love the new 5 series, I’d go with the eDrive 40 or one of the petrol mild hybrids (RWD 530i). Great video as always!
I genuinely value your detailed analysis of the ride comfort review and cabin noise. I like eDrive40 better. I wish BMW painted the lower bottom side the exact color as the body, not black. US models get fewer futures and functions than Eurpean's models. I wish four-wheel steering turns at least 5 degrees like EQE. EVs are popular in California, but every brand needs help to sell them because they are too expensive, except for Tesla.
Out of all the current gen BMW models, I find this 5 together with the 3 'good looking' cars. But not 'beautiful', and that's saying a lot given how beautiful I found the previous 5 (pre-facelift) and the E60.
How did the distance from front bumber to pedals change over the previous generation? If this increased, more space is wasted that could have been in the cabin.
The good old days when BMW made beautiful cars are over! I really dont understand how this can be more beautiful , than previous model years. I really believe that after 10 or 20 years, nobody will care about this car or remember it. Can not say that about current BMW cars that are 10 or 20 years old classics.
I have to applaud BMW for their bravery in innovation. This could be a seriously risky endeavor, taking one of their bread and butter models and presenting a radically new architecture. You can tell they thought deeply and carefully about the decision. In a way they are somewhat helping enthusiasts warm to a future where EVs and ICEs vehicles can exist on a single platform. I am personally interested in the 530i, but since I can't find many reviews I am forced to watch the EV reviews. I was a bit frustrated about it at first but then I realized it is somewhat intentional and that I could really get most of the info and visuals from the EV reviews. I know a lot of people are unhappy about the design, but personally I don't mind, I kinda like the fact that they were able to consolidate the BEV and ICE requirements into one platform that looks pretty neat. Not to mention the 530i is a shade above 4000lb, 1000lb lighter than the corresponding battery variant and just a couple hundred pounds heavier than my IS200t. Mind you the lexus is a much smaller car, with smaller wheels and tires, no AWD, or power trunk. The fact that they made a bigger, better handling car with minimal weight increase while having to account for EV models is just insane.
*This* is what it's all about. I love it! I feel the 5 series has not looked great for 15 years! The 2010 models and beyond were so conservative and such a let down, very disappointing. I love the Grille here, not too huge, very flat and so aggressive but stately and luxurious at the same time. I hope BMW's lead designer does not change this Car much in the next 10 years - it looks like a Classic! 💯
BMW has got its product strategy to go EV right. Mercedes is playing with EQ chassis games while preserving legacy C-E-S model lines. I’m starting to fall in love with BMWs again.
That's like praising a smartphone with a rotary dial, totally the wrong approach to building EVs. It's not acceptable to be deprived of knee room in a 5m 80k car designed for comfort
Can we conclude that the designers from BMW totally lost the way with this car. Sad to see if you see what great looking cars they put on this earth in the past and to what it has come now with this 5.
Hi Thomas, can you please compare 3 series and this new 5 series. I am planning to buy a new car. I have currently F10 5 series. Not sure, if it is good idea to go for 3 series comfort wise, but that 5 series is really longer than F10 and I think it would be a downside for me to have such a long car.
Thanks for the video Thomas, two questions I have. 1 -There is a seat heating button on the door, right?! So it can be controlled with that instead of the MMI. 2 - Would summon option also work if wheels are turned, or it is straightened automatically buy the car when function used?
I think design wise it was a mistake using the same chassis for both combustible and electric. The 5 series didn’t deserve to get stung by bees. It looks swollen and bloated.
Do the Sport Seats are also getting closer on the sides when choosing sport mode or is it just a feature of the premium seats? Since you cannot adjust the seat sides anymore it would be a compromise.. Thanks for the review. I am going to get my i5M in November :-)
It doesn’t look good that’s for sure. Mercedes EQE isn’t looking good neither… Hope Audi can make a proper looking EV to go with these new competitors!
Wow, awesome review as always Thomas. Really great. By the way, what's your daily driver and your dream car? If possible can you do an Autogefuhl special and tell us what you prefer or even your dream car garage. I'm sure as your fans we would love that 💯.
Without any M-pack, the new 5 actually looks quite good I think. I'm warming up to it. The problem is that BMW really emphasises teh versions with M-packs for some reason.
Please share with us in which the part of the world you are at the beginning of your videos - you're reviewing from so many beautiful places that I would love to visit someday!
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00:00 all-new BMW 5 Series
00:20 BMW i5 M60 in Mineral White
00:50 i50 M60 in Frozen Pure Grey
01:42 Fire Red M Sport Pro
02:00 Brooklyn Grey M Sport vs M60
03:22 Length, wheels and 3-box-design
04:18 Suspension and rear-axle steering
05:03 Base 5 Series looks better?
07:07 Remote parking
07:53 Interior: key and doors
08:50 Sport vs comfort seats (Veganza)
10:17 Panoramic roof
10:59 M Sport pack standard interior
11:30 Interior cockpit overview
12:24 BMW OS 8.5 infotainment
13:35 Storage
14:25 Base interior with Veganza steering
16:12 Rear seats
17:53 Trunk / boot
18:45 Frunk? Engine overview!
19:40 EV battery kWh and RWD vs AWD
20:24 BMW i5 M60 acceleration vs launch control
22:28 Driving agility
28:07 5 Series vs 7 Series feeling
29:14 Countryside drive and comfort test
32:19 Augmented reality and rear-axle steering
33:38 Motorway driving
34:42 Efficiency and range i5 M60 AWD
34:57 Hands-free level 2 autonomous driving
40:50 eDrive 40 RWD driving comparison
47:30 Efficiency and range eDrive 40 RWD
48:47 So how good is the new 5 Series?
Engine lineup with acceleration figures:
EV
i5 40 RWD 6 s
i5 50 AWD ?
i5 M60 AWD 3.8 s
81 kWh battery
EV towing up to 2t (M60)
PHEV
530e R4 RWD 6.4 s
550e R6 AWD 4.3 s
19 kWh battery
Petrol (all MHEV)
520i R4 RWD 7.5 s
530i R4 RWD/AWD 6.2 / 6.1 s
540i R6 AWD 4.7 s
M5 4.4 l V8 PHEV
Diesel (all MHEV)
520d R4 RWD/AWD 7.3 s
530d R6 AWD ?
Cd values:
BMW i5 40 / 50: 0.23
BMW 5 Series petrol/diesel: 0.24
BMW i5 M50: 0.25 (mixed wheels)
Comparison:
Mercedes EQE: 0.22
Mercedes E-Class 0.23
(with Cd value, the lower the better, lower means better drag coefficient, means less wind resistance and more efficiency)
#BMW #BMWi5 #BMW5Series
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You must raise the brightness of shadows and lower the contrast.. i have galaxy phone with Oled display and there is zero details in black areas in the video
I agree with you Thomas. I like the one with the "most normal-looking grille" the most. By far.
You didn't think it would be possible to ruin the simple and elegant design of a 5 Series, yet they have done it. That's an accomplishment at this point.
The previous 5 series was one of the most beautiful modern BMWs
How can you make it look so cheap exterior wise…
it doesn't look like a BMW anymore. It's ok, but very generic desing.
The previous generation was peak bmw.
The new 5 looks like a bloated 1 series
Everything prior to this mad Croatian guy was peak bmw, even E60 😂
How about starting all over with a new design team ?
Why? The G80 and 82:s were both destroyed regarding looks and weight and what happened? They are by far the market leaders and praised nowadays in every review.
@@peterhammer6915 They are UGLY thats why...
@@peterhammer6915 leading the market in sales does not take away from the fact that it looks hella ugly. def needs a design overhaul.
@@a_medhdaaa why? Its selling extremely well
looks so weird, lines going everywhere
In terms of exterior and interior, the G30 (especially the facelift) is a masterpiece compared to this...
L take
Well I had some of them - for me this is a new masterpiece - ok lets see until I drove it - I didn't see it on the road yet
yeah especially In the interior. Where is the leather dashboard and doors, the metal buttons of the prev. gen? If you look closely they have also cheaped out on the carped in the trunk. Such a shame
@@brutzkibrutstatte4379 don't disagree - its a new design language - important is for me - does it work using it for a while? Can't tell you yet.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 who cares about design, when the usabilty is worse 🤷? I'm missing quick lunch 1-8 buttons, volume knob (in front on me), temperature knob, seat heating - colling buttons, modes buttons. Just bring back the buttons🤦🤦🤦
What worries me is that 5 series got longer than 5 meters and wider than 1,90m, which makes parking in cities and even private garages more difficult. They had to increase the dimensions of the car in order to make more space for the 1 inch bigger wheels (overall wheel diamater increased compared to the G30 line), and to make more space for batteries. Since the overall weight of the car increased, in overall bigger wheels had to be fitted since bigger wheels can handle bigger weight. Finally, overall bigger wheels (I mean the full diamater rim plus tire) provide better comfort when driving over pot holes, but this comes at the expense of the car size and available space in the interrior, where trunk space in G60 line reduced by 10 liters compared to G30 line.
An innovative engineering solution would be to accommodate all the mentioned new requirements, but without increasing the size of the car, keeping the same size of interior. Otherwise, it looks like by the current trend, after 15 years from now, we will have upper-middle class cars with length of at least 6 meters and widht of 2,5 meters.
I hear you - thats the must by this large battery packs right now - I hope the development will provide us with same capacity but half the weight and size. And no that's already on the outer limits of size for cars. If you cannot go down town / park you don't buy a car like his - I wouldn't. My local airport already offers "XXL - Parking" for large SUVs and very wider cars - well thats another way ....
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Since most of the driveways and garage spaces will not get bigger with time, the size increase of new car models will soon hit the limit since buyers will have no space to park them.
@@Zeeraha you would think so - but it only stops if the customers are buying smaller and lighter in favor of bigger and heavier which was in unbroken trend the last ....20 years? All the world is only buying growing SUVs?
I am using a lot the parking at my local airport - they are not offering already XXL parking for more money..means...
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 What I am sure is that in my garage space I could not fit BMW X5, I could not get into the car if I park there. My 5 series G30 already overhangs on the rear and it is partially in the way of the neighbouring car who wants to get out of his garage space. My friend figured out that he could not even fit Škoda Octavia in his private garage. He would not be able to get into the car due to the closing walls on the side, and he is now searching to buy not so wide car.
@@Zeeraha Good point professional parking companies are reacting to that offering already large space, but your own garage at home? you can only buy a smaller car. Especially if it's an EV and you have a wallbox inside the garage.
I can’t believe that BMW cheaped out on the little charging doors the i4 and i7 have. I guess no one else has those doors.
The E-Class looks really nice, the EQE and i5 looks terrible.
nooo, headlights of new e class looks so weird
EQE still better fhan this BMW
E-class looks nice?? 😂😂🤡
I sat in the new I5 at the Fully Charged event a couple of weeks ago here in Vancouver. The interior is cheap. It does not feel as if it is built to the same quality standards of any 5-Series prior. It feels no better than a non-premium brand. Very much a shame.
They're making those cars for chinese market and i have to admit. It looks like chinese cheap toy.
Didn't they think that chinese buys eu cars cause of elegant design ?
Car looks fantastic. You all haters.
Perhaps because you can’t afford one. 😅😅😅
I also somehow prefer the base model, it's way less overdone. The one You're showing in Mineral White is quite nice with those 20 inch rims. I think I would go for that version but get the M-Sport Steering Wheel - sadly that's apparently not an option in the Configurator anymore, as You need to get the full M package to have the M-Sport steering wheel.
I agree, the base model with the traditional grille looks far better than the M Sport on this occasion which has too much black below the black grille. It is great that BMW are sticking to the traditional 5 Series which appeals more to conservative buyers but at the same time offers a BMW sporting drive.
Thanks for the great overview!
This car is now officially longer than a VW Phaeton, but I struggle to understand why. I am convinced BMWs' design team has absolutely lost their minds unfortunately. The front just looks ghastly, I can't describe it in any other way. I find it hard to believe someone at BMW stood back proud of this exterior, and higher ups actually approved it.
Presumably to squeeze more battery into the electric version, and having decided to use the same platform for both ICE and EV, it applies to both. EVs everywhere are getting longer and wider...unfortunately.
There is a conspiracy going around that BMW designers are secretly working for its rivals
@@notagain2856 Like what rivals?
Because BMW sales numbers have killed the competition in the last six years. Mercedes, Lexus and Audi are way lower than BMW in terms of sales figures.
@@sirbuftontufton5846to squeeze more battery into it? they did the complete opposite and just put the battery of the i4 in it and the i4 even has more range, they completely lost the potential for its size and designed a car that's just bad looking
@@dr-ok3sn With the design direction they are headed in, certainly not for long.
I agree it looks sleeker without the M Sport package! I think the 3 series has a nicer front in the Base Sport models rather than the M Sport package aswell
Interesting. Since the LCI came out, I find the 3-series M-Sport to have a much, much nicer front than the base model. Looks really agressive and sporty, which fits a 3-series well but would be weird with a 5-series which is a more distinguished, civilized car. Or are you perhaps talking about non-LCI 3-series from before 2023? Because then I'm in agreement. With the LCI I just think the M-Sport package looks really, really good, except perhaps the "diffuser" on the backside, which is a bit too much for this type of car and with the LCI it also has these strange black corners pointing up on the corners of the rear bumper, which make the rear look a bit weird at times. Still find the LCI M-sport to look stunning though, even with that somewhat weird rear bumper
Aside from that, I think the design of the current 5-series is a step back or multiple steps even. The previous model was a true masterpiece, especially the LCI. Stunningly beautiful car
@@BinaryBlueBull I think it’s the front design of the 3 LCI M Sport that I find a little too aggressive (especially in a lighter colour). I agree though it does crate a really sporty look! I guess I just prefer a more traditional nose maybe? I completely agree re the 5 series though - the former design was a thing of beauty….
@@phileagle8432 Ah yes, I can see what you mean. They did indeed go all-in on aggression and sportiness so I can imagine it can be polarizing look, like so many BMW's these days. The 3-series has always been sporty but it always had a bit of the stateliness of the 5-series as well. That is much less with the new generation and even more so with the LCI M-sport. Also, when looked at from the side, the M-sport front bumper sticks out past the hood much more so than before, which gives it quite a pronounced.....square jaw is the best I can describe it as? I do like that but I can totally see what you're saying though about the front being too agressive. I'm a bit biased as well, because last year I bought a G20 LCI M-sport in Portimao blue, so a medium bright colour. I agree with you that it's too agressive with the really bright colours, even for me 😛 always fascinating to see how much tastes can differ between people, especially so when there's a reasoning behind it that I can understand
@@BinaryBlueBull I guess the designers get us all talking don’t they (let’s not even mention the new X2 for now). I bet your car looks great in Portimao blue - that is a lovely colour and I think shows off the rear quarter sloping curves on the 3 and 4 series GC really well!
@@phileagle8432 Yup, I genuinely think that is on of the reasons for BMW's eccentric design choices these last few years. Seems to me like they want to get people to feel very strongly about the designs and talk about them. That said, my reactions in the past 5 years or so have been more negative than positive. Especially the 7-series, no idea what they were trying to go for with that front design. Though, like all those weird designs of late, it does stand out. I feel like almost all their iconic cars have taken a turn for the worse in their latest iterations. M2 (front & rear), 2-series + X2 (let's not talk about it, indeed), M3 (front), M4 (front), 7-series (mostly front) and now this 5-series. Not to mention the 1-series which turned into a dime-a-dozen, FWD hatchback in stead of the only fun RWD in its class that also looks nice. I also wonder if perhaps it's the influence of the growing Chinese market and the differences in taste which is contributing to this or something. Oh well, at least we're talking about it, indeed. And I guess I can admire their boldness and willingness to break from the norm, if nothing else. And yes, I do indeed think it looks quite lovely in Portimao, I've wanted one in that colour since I first saw it more than a decade ago, precisely because of the reasons you mention. I still look over my shoulder almost every time I walk away. The only more beautiful blue that BMW has, in my opinion, is Marina Bay blue which is my absolute favourite but costs like $4000 more than Portimao. And perhaps San Marino blue, which I find on par with Portimao. Yes, I do love BMW blues, indeed. Interesting conversation, thanks!
Great review. Can’t believe this car has cheap looking shiny black plastic inside.
Great review Thomas. So many similarities to the new 7 series. Personally I really don't like all the high gloss black trim or the emphasis on touch controls. The 5 series is now huge at over 5m, longer than a Bentley Continental GT!!! ❤
I agree, the interior ambient light on the dash does look a bit odd with that gap.
The designers got around to destroying the look of the 5 series.
No matter how many reviews I watch of Thomas they are always interesting informative & amusing. Now we have an added bonus to improve one's German lingo 9:55 "listen and repeat Einsitzhöhe." Is Thomas secretly sponsored by Rosetta Stone? LOL
I also have to agree with Thomas on the normal kidney grill. Funny enough the whole front with the normal "bright" kidney looks beefier than the "M"-Package kidney in direct comparison.
This car looks like a BMW from wish.
What I don't understand is why the car had to get soo much longer ?
BMW claims it is because the platform needed more room for the battery.
BUT almost all of the extra length went into the nose !
Is the battery in the nose now ?
The 5 series is 11 cm longer than an Mercedes E-Klasse but 10 of those extra cm went exclusively in the frontal overhang.
Its now 94,5 cm long with the BMW but only 84,8 cm with the Mercedes.
That means that the Mercedes not only has much better and more dynamic proportions but the new 5 series actually doesn't have more space inside despite all that growth in lengths !
Why there are no more reviews for 'normal' versions of the cars. I mean it would be great to see a review of a car that everybody can buy and not some M, pro, sport, gti ultra carbon cheremic unicorn seats version.
Thats why I included the base version in this review, if u have checked full length. Manufacturers usually always present highest trim vehicles to show off what they have, as a review u cannot even get anything else
@@autogefuehlno man this is exactly is my point, your last sentence. This should be review for the customers not for the manufacturers. I am following your channel for 5 years now and back then it affected my decision in buying my current car. But the revies ware from customer point of view. I am sorry to say but the quality is not on that level. You are presenting you self as product promotor instead of reviewer, you videos look like these top shop kind of videos where they try to shove as many 'features' of some junk as they could. And these 'top' models are exactly that, i think you know it. I won't be suppressed if the manufacturers are not paying for these reviews. It sure looks like it. Again i am sorry to say this but it is my opinion.
Nothing changed here except we speak even more open about the vehicles. No idea how u got that impression. I am free to say whatever I want and I m not paid to say anything
Looks so much better without the black trim in front 5:03
The base 5er looks better because the front grill isn't overlapping the bottom section.
That's it, BMW managed to ruin the design of their last good looking car, the previous 5 series looked so much better...
2:54 agreed Thomas, but still worse than the previous gen 5 series.
Totally agree..
3 series still looks great
That sucks that the drive mode buttons got replaced.
Well, the frozen pure grey colour is very cool 😮 I prefer the eDrive40. O-100 in 6 seconds and 193 top speed is more than good enough for me
loving the white bmw grills without blades yet so much design pure perfection with a horizantal element just so adoring
12:55 nice to see that they added shortcuts for heated seats into the view! Hopefully future updates will add this into iDrive 8 as well.
Thank you Thomas. Very good review as usual..
Did they remove the ambient lighting from the rear passenger doors??
I was wondering the same. That interactive bar in the front seems limited to the front passenger doors in the 7 as well.
they did .
It’s there, as my kids will attest. ,)
Great Review Thomas! Where is Brian ?
Great review, thank you!
I am not sure if BMW is going in the right direction. The “M” badge no longer is for real M cars. Practically, you can find an M badge on anything. The M nowadays stands for [m}arketing.
Recently, BMW has kept increasing the prices, but also taking a lot away when it comes to options and packages. For example, on the new 2024 5 Series they have eliminated multi-contour seats, the door sills are gone, the panoramic glass moonroof does not open, they eliminated the M emblem on the real M calipers, US market will not get the touch screen digital 4-zone climate control on the 5 Series, no message seats, and no Dynamic Handling Package, which included the anti-roll stabilizer, active steering, and four wheel steering.
The issue is not just about the 5 Series, the X5 SAVs are getting short-changed for the US market, yet they are built in the US.
Those who are new to BMW or just want the emblem, would not know the difference. But for the majority who are BMW enthusiasts and know the brand well, BMW is losing those enthesitis, which make up about 80% of the loyal clients. BMW cannot keep using supply and demand, chip shortage, or lack of manpower, etc. Look at BMW competitors like Mercedes-Benz, Range Rover, and Audi, they keep the prices competitive and certainly are not short-changing their clients with options, packages, or even standard equipment. When you look at the BMW window sticker, some of the stuff has to be standard, instead, BMW is nickel and dime and charges $100 for this, $350 for that, etc. Especially cars that are well over $100K.
And lastly, the H&K sound system should be standard. With only 465W per channel, it is an embarrassment to Honda Accord Elite or Toyota Camry XLE, as their sound system is about 600W per channel. But, BMW charges you $875 for that crap.
I owned a BMW E30 Cabriolet, which had M badges everywhere besides being a 318i. That is no recent develpoment
I think physical buttons for the climate system have to be kept forever.
I touch my buttons for climate twice a year. Once in December and once in April. Have a Taycan.
Having had an 5 Series,I can say how much I appreciate the Toyota Camry.
The new version of the combustion 5 Series is gorgeous, especially the M Sport version.
Excellent review
thanks so much!
Can you please do a review of the 2024 540i with the six cylinder? A professional review of this new model has not yet been posted to youtube. Thanks!
Previous model looked way better in my opinion
And the previous to that looked even better
There’s people that disagree with the design language of the new 5 series, which is fine but I have to disagree as I think this is quite a handsome looking car
Hey Thomas! It's the watch guy....I love this new style! It really sets BMWs apart. I'm not a fan of Mercedes new design direction. It's TOO rounded. Can't wait to see what Audi is going to do with styling in the future!
BMW totally lost the potential by using the same battery and motors from the i4.
they could have used a much bigger battery for the i5, especially if you think about how much bigger the car is compared to the i4, and the i4 even has better range while being even "cheaper".
Feels like they went "well we fit this battery already to the platform lets use it again". Maybe since NK is coming soon this won't see a (electric) LCI and is relatively short lived generation.
People complained when BMW chose to use ICE platform for their EV:s. Now they complain that they use EV-platform for their EV:s. People always find a way to complain about BMW. The range of my Taycan is 450 to 500 km in the summer and 300 to 350 km in the winter, I have not even once felt I need more range. And I have driven multiple times from Finland to Austria.
Thanks for a great review Thomas )
the base modell looks better than m sport too much shiny plastic but the 2021- g30 facelift is a masterpiece
Excellent review as usual!
Excellent review as always explaining everything i details way better than the average salesman. when is the 530e hybrid review coming out, it is also an interesting alternative
Great review Thomas and a beautiful car I like it very much and think I’d save the money over the 7 series.
With the length of the new 5 series, I’m not surprised the 7 comes only as a long wheel base… if not then the 7 series would be too close in length to the 5 series. Another clever manoeuvre from a car manufacturer to increase the vehicle size even more. At least there’s an option for rear wheel steering 👍🏼
Love the new 5 series, I’d go with the eDrive 40 or one of the petrol mild hybrids (RWD 530i). Great video as always!
If the car manufacturers continue like this then on one day the 7-series will be coach bus.
Beautiful car
Really like the rear end.
Looks so good!! Love the new head light’s design..!
can we get a review of the diesel one too?
I enjoyed watching the Video. I like the styling of the Model on the left 😊
E Class all day
THANK YOU THOMAS, I just ordered this one in grey mat paint, I can't wait, ETA is Feb 2024
I genuinely value your detailed analysis of the ride comfort review and cabin noise. I like eDrive40 better. I wish BMW painted the lower bottom side the exact color as the body, not black. US models get fewer futures and functions than Eurpean's models. I wish four-wheel steering turns at least 5 degrees like EQE. EVs are popular in California, but every brand needs help to sell them because they are too expensive, except for Tesla.
Out of all the current gen BMW models, I find this 5 together with the 3 'good looking' cars. But not 'beautiful', and that's saying a lot given how beautiful I found the previous 5 (pre-facelift) and the E60.
Ok, as requested my comments; I really like the All White. The white sneakers ties in well with the white shirt. 😊
How did the distance from front bumber to pedals change over the previous generation? If this increased, more space is wasted that could have been in the cabin.
The good old days when BMW made beautiful cars are over! I really dont understand how this can be more beautiful , than previous model years. I really believe that after 10 or 20 years, nobody will care about this car or remember it. Can not say that about current BMW cars that are 10 or 20 years old classics.
Hi Thomas
Wich is better
5 or E?
Thx
I have to applaud BMW for their bravery in innovation. This could be a seriously risky endeavor, taking one of their bread and butter models and presenting a radically new architecture. You can tell they thought deeply and carefully about the decision. In a way they are somewhat helping enthusiasts warm to a future where EVs and ICEs vehicles can exist on a single platform. I am personally interested in the 530i, but since I can't find many reviews I am forced to watch the EV reviews. I was a bit frustrated about it at first but then I realized it is somewhat intentional and that I could really get most of the info and visuals from the EV reviews. I know a lot of people are unhappy about the design, but personally I don't mind, I kinda like the fact that they were able to consolidate the BEV and ICE requirements into one platform that looks pretty neat. Not to mention the 530i is a shade above 4000lb, 1000lb lighter than the corresponding battery variant and just a couple hundred pounds heavier than my IS200t. Mind you the lexus is a much smaller car, with smaller wheels and tires, no AWD, or power trunk. The fact that they made a bigger, better handling car with minimal weight increase while having to account for EV models is just insane.
I’m happy to see that BMW designers have regained some of there sense. E40 is definitely the best looking one.
18:50 They hid a CONCERT PIANO inside! 😂🙈
Great review, would love to see your review of the 2024 540i.
And what about the fuel consumption on the I.C.E's ?
I think Thomas has been out in the sun too long, calling the car good boy lol 😂😂
Can somebody tell me what is really the difference between tire size 18" 19" 20" 21"? Which one is recommended for BMW 520D with M Sport packet?
That is a nice red. Base stationwagen i5 is suffiecient, in white
*This* is what it's all about. I love it! I feel the 5 series has not looked great for 15 years! The 2010 models and beyond were so conservative and such a let down, very disappointing.
I love the Grille here, not too huge, very flat and so aggressive but stately and luxurious at the same time. I hope BMW's lead designer does not change this Car much in the next 10 years - it looks like a Classic! 💯
Suddenly I am actually glad I can realistically only afford a second hand 3-4 year old 5 series. This new generation is quite ugly.
Silence is golden.
Rear
Of the vehicle looks like a Toyota Camry
BMW has got its product strategy to go EV right. Mercedes is playing with EQ chassis games while preserving legacy C-E-S model lines. I’m starting to fall in love with BMWs again.
That's like praising a smartphone with a rotary dial, totally the wrong approach to building EVs. It's not acceptable to be deprived of knee room in a 5m 80k car designed for comfort
Everything is good except its size has grown too large over the years - for comfortable everyday driving.
Can we conclude that the designers from BMW totally lost the way with this car. Sad to see if you see what great looking cars they put on this earth in the past and to what it has come now with this 5.
Hi Thomas, can you please compare 3 series and this new 5 series. I am planning to buy a new car. I have currently F10 5 series. Not sure, if it is good idea to go for 3 series comfort wise, but that 5 series is really longer than F10 and I think it would be a downside for me to have such a long car.
Thank you, Thomas. Mood elevator❤
I think it looks much better without the msport package
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Good review, don’t like that diamond styling down the side skirts, but it’s a very good upgrade to the model, better then a Mercedes.
Thanks for the video Thomas, two questions I have. 1 -There is a seat heating button on the door, right?! So it can be controlled with that instead of the MMI. 2 - Would summon option also work if wheels are turned, or it is straightened automatically buy the car when function used?
That inside seat button is a shortkey to activate the seat controls view on the screen
Cheers!
There is also a steering option in the app
Could you please tell me what is the difference between Mineral white metallic and Alpine white Uni colors? And which one looks better?
Mineral white metallic has got a depth. The flakes are blue/silver/gold in the sun.
I think design wise it was a mistake using the same chassis for both combustible and electric. The 5 series didn’t deserve to get stung by bees. It looks swollen and bloated.
Im so confused,no more diesel and petrol and all that naming is so complicated,i guess the price is out of reach now for us normal folks
i think it looks good its growing on me cant wait for the m5
Love the matte paints. Just need to spend the extra cash on a full body matte ppf and ceramic coating.
I saw you all driving through Albufuria 🤣
The interior looks a little better than the e Class...?
Never liked matte paint jobs but I am growing to like them. If they're more sustainable, then all the better!
Do the Sport Seats are also getting closer on the sides when choosing sport mode or is it just a feature of the premium seats? Since you cannot adjust the seat sides anymore it would be a compromise..
Thanks for the review. I am going to get my i5M in November :-)
You are talking about it approx. around 34:30
Congrats!
Hmmm good question. In any case if you can change, do get the comfort seat, the comfort difference is really very notable!
@@autogefuehl thanks for your answer!
Have you had the chance to test the B&W Soundsystem? What do you think about it?
The lack of double glazing on the side windows is an unforgivable mistake.
It doesn’t look good that’s for sure. Mercedes EQE isn’t looking good neither… Hope Audi can make a proper looking EV to go with these new competitors!
I never liked the EQE, but compared to the BMW the EQE is a beauty
Wow, awesome review as always Thomas. Really great. By the way, what's your daily driver and your dream car?
If possible can you do an Autogefuhl special and tell us what you prefer or even your dream car garage.
I'm sure as your fans we would love that 💯.
E class is a winner here !!
Without any M-pack, the new 5 actually looks quite good I think. I'm warming up to it.
The problem is that BMW really emphasises teh versions with M-packs for some reason.
Ya agree
First time ever in my life, I will choose the mercedes counterpart. Whoever designed that bmw should be fired and never be called a designer again.
Please share with us in which the part of the world you are at the beginning of your videos - you're reviewing from so many beautiful places that I would love to visit someday!
He said. You weren't listening. It begins with P.
Love the new i5/5s3ries but my favourite items on them right now are the steering wheels.,infact those are the kinds I expected to be on the XM.
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Doesn't look bad. Hate the i5. Keep the ICE alive.