It's like watches, som people just wan't a Rolex becouse of the brands status, the enthusiasts will have it becouse of the high class mechanical craftsmanship. This car is made just for the first group of people.
110 for a bone stock M5 seems like daylight robbery to me. For that money I'd want minimum a 7 series. What on earth, at this point it better had be the weight.
@@blairbrown4812 exactly at least that car makes no pretense about what it is honestly they should have either drop the plug in nature or go with streamline mild hybrid system like the new 911 gts and keep weight in acess of less then 50kg delta to the old one they could easily come up with 700hp pakage at similar weight pakage to the older g30 while improving its handaling and performance the fact that this car is heavier the the i5 m60 is insane might as well strap a bigger motor/battary to the i5 m60 and make it just as fast or faster thent this thing and pipe fake engine sound like the new ionic 5n that would have been a better sell then this car.
BMW driver for almost 25 years here... and I struggle to find anything in the line-up I want to buy next. I watch videos like this trying to convince myself I'll like it. But I don't. I LOVED my prior BMWs, starting way back in the day with an e46 I bought new out of college - never looked back and have always bought BMWs. But, I'm just beside myself that they've gotten so far away from the ethos of being (a) beautiful and (b) sporty combined into one machine. Now I see neither beauty nor sport... but ugly and brutish performance. I'd honestly look past a hybrid drive system if it was done well. But I can't look past the aesthetics here... nor the weight.
Same here, I own two classics e28 and e24, and a F36 428 GC as a daily driver. Can't see any new BMW to replace the F36, one of the last good-looking ones in my eyes.
I kind of disagree with this statement. I think it's the best looking current M car (though that's not a high bar...). It's the only one that I don't find outright ugly.
The M5 used to be my dream car. They really screwed it up. I don't know what that thing is. The previous generation's prices are going to go through the roof!
Just to let you guys know, the new m5 weighs more than • A 2023 Ford F-150 (4,600-5,200 lbs depending on the model) • A Chevrolet Suburban (around 5,200 lbs) • A Toyota Land Cruiser (5,200 lbs) • cirrus visionjet (3,000lbs) • The Hubble Space Telescope (4,800 lbs) • A great white shark (4,200 lbs) • A Tyrannosaurus rex skeleton (up to 5,000 lbs) • A fully grown giraffe (2,500-3,000 lbs)
Lol Jeremy Clarkson is a glorified TV presenter. People like Tiff Needell and Chris Harris were actual pro race drivers. I'd take their words on any metric regarding the performance of a car over Clarkson any day of the week. Hilarious how people buy into Clarkson's words 😂
I used to love BMWs and always aspired to an M5 - apart from the current designs which I cannot warm to, your summary captures all the reasons I won’t buy another one - in fact I got rid of my 840i in favour of an Alpine A110 - now that’s an ultimate driving machine!
It's not an M5, it's a giant Lego brick on wheels. BMW have completely missed the point with this car and as did Mercedes with their offering. More isn't always better.
@@Johnnyggaor you can try being an adult instead of resorting to the “cope” retort of children. 🤷♂️ Fact is that this latest M5 is within one teenager’s weight of a GMC Yukon, which is outrageous. Much like their current styling, BMW is woefully misguided in their exchange of subtle fine dining for gluttonous buffet style. It’s like their current generation of engineers and designers looked at an epic back catalogue and just shrugged, deciding that that was too boring and/or too hard. This latest M5 has more tech and better average fuel economy and… …that’s about it. It’s demonstrably worse at being an M5 than its predecessors and all you’ve got is basically emojis as a counterpoint.
540kg just for all the hybrid stuff? Yeah, no thanks. I can miss that out. Give me the previous gen M5 all day. Also, Tom's right at 11:03. In the olden days, it's a straightforward decision to get the M5 over the rest of 5er. But since the F10 series, the non-M 5er has been so good that you have to ask yourself about buying the M5.
Dont miss it buy one. I was always looking for modern cars but not anymore. Im more interested to buy cars with characters and with fun engine to drive around 8 years old. Avoid all modern quality like looking cars feels like plastics.
Honestly, they've aged so well. He did a talk about his design ethos when I was at uni and I was sold. They look...elegant compared to this.There's zero design cohesion. It just looks looks like an afterthought in design with 'tech' vomited all over it.
I've not driven many modern cars but I just can't imagine picking this one with that budget. So complicated and unnatural. How much of that sound is speakers? So much hybrid but it doesn't make it spectacular off the line like an electric car, still does that like a fat sports saloon. If I park outside, I might just get a Lucid Air in stead. If I park inside...I guess I'd take the Jaguar XF Sportbrake (only used now I think) and spend a seeming unreasonable amount on making it better where possible. The engine less boring, the chassis more amazing.
They still do. I have driven an M2 on an autocross course, and an M3 and M4 on a race track. They were all a lot of fun. My favorite was the M2. I have driven a regular 5-series and it was way to big and heavy.
This review makes me feel even better about getting into a Giulia QV after an E92 before they ended production. Feels like the last of a dying (already dead?) breed.
Every time I see a human near that thing I worry the required escape velocity for said human will not be reached and eventually the M5 will consume all matter becoming a singularity and threatening our existence. Thankfully you made it home.
Don't worry they'll happily retune it and tweak the hybrid system to make 800hp+ and call it the "Label Red" and charge 20k more for it. Like they did with the BMW XM.
The engine sound is louder inside than outside. Actually very polite to the environment. Appreciate that. I wonder when we will see the first tutorial videos on recommended settings. I love messing around with setup options, but some advice is also welcome.
@@nikitamarynich1794 you see the new 2024 Bugatti Tourbillon? Go watch that reveal, see it's instrument cluster and see what they say there about timelessness and beauty of design.
I could not agree more. It's like they mistranslated "in" and "on" one day and now mimicks a decked out media room with a nice TV sitting on 3 cardboard boxes and the 3" tall fixed stand that came with it. Really all versions of that generic instrument cluster/screen in BMWs now look cheap. If you're going to save money with the screen, the least you can do is put it IN the dash.
I genuinely hate that trend aesthetically. Other manufacturers with fully digital displays still bother to provide a hood binnacle area to make it look as though they at least tried to integrate it into the vehicle.
Nope, I agree with him. The current M2, M3 and M5 are all absolutely hideous compared to their previous generation in my opinion as well. I'd have the F10, F80 or F90 over these anytime.
What BMW needs to do with every single M car is provide a “pure” option. No battery assist. No auto. A TCS on or off button. Analog gauges. RWD. Doesn’t even need to make 700~ HP. Charge less, sell more. Winner.
Look, even Porsche recognizes this is what people who really like cars truly want, so they do make them; and it's called the GT3. You can't realistically buy a GT3 because they produce them in numbers so small you can't even be allocated, and even if you do you will charge huge, huuuge premiums depending on your country. They know the outcry and demands for a full-fledged purist variant. So they'll make you only pay outrageous numbers to obtain one. German sports car companines are only worth when boycotted nowdays.
Aim your ire at the administrative states shoving needless mandates down the manufacturers throats to force wealth transfers under the pretense of environmentalism.
Push throttle, speed goes up, fun achieved, yay! Alternatively, I'll take something half the weight, with half the power. I'm sure they've done very clever things with the dynamics, but no "sporty" car should be heavier than a Giulia QV towing a Cessna...yes really.
get the All wheel drive 2024 gr yaris with either 6 speed or the new 8 speed auto it makes about 276hp and weight exactly half of this m5 and its 2+2 hacth.
@@patthonsirilim5739 Can never go wrong with a GR Yaris! I got a 308 GTi instead. 1205kg, 270hp (before the decat 😄), completely insane 380mm brakes, an LSD and a chassis that loves going sideways - I've had the tail out more in 1 year of that than I did in 9 years of exclusive RWD ownership 😁 The 308 also isn't much less practical than an M5 (bigger boot, less rear leg room) and has stuff like massage seats while being 5* NCAP (at release). An M5 will be heavier than 1205kg, but there's no way it needed to be more than double the weight. £110k, 700hp+ and 2.4 tonnes: The M5, or a 308 GTi towing a Lotus Exige...I know which I'd take 🤣
I sat in the very first new model BMW M5 Competition (looks identical to this car), 5 minutes after if arrived from Production to the BMW Welt in Munich! The BMW Concierge I was working with went directly to the Engineering staff who had just delivered the car and obtained the keys and allowed me to sit in and start this vehicle. I was the only non-BMW employee allowed to enter that car. The interior was Fascinating and opulent. Also, @ 6'8" (203 cm), I was able to sit in this car! Yes, I have the pictures and video to prove it. :-)
I love Tom's reviews! They're a pleasure to watch-he not only gives the new technology a chance but also draws fascinating parallels with older-generation cars. Well done, Tom!
The weight isn't even it. They're exposing themselves for delivering a lame and badly tuned hybrid system. If that hybrid were potent and well setup, there is no reason that this car accelerates much slower than a high power electric sedan (low 2 seconds is the norm in this price range). It's a half arsed effort. Something we see also in German full EVs, they're barely trying. Porsche is the least bad, and we know even they are pulling their punches with Taycan and Macan.
To be fair BMW always underrates their figures. They said that previous gen M5 did 0-60 in 3.4 but it's been proven to be even faster. There should no surprise that this will do it faster than 3.5
I'm still left scratching my head wondering who greenlighted this 5 series design. Or didn't BMW do a design study with previous gen customers? And settings, settings, and more settings....why?
I heard that it was going to be electric but somebody convinced them to do a V8 late in the process. I think that makes sense because its so insanely heavy and it looks like an ev.
Just posting an unpopular view: I love it. The fact that that BMW will still provide a V8 and the battery range / boost when others are downsizing shouldn’t be forgotten.
Don't think so. F90 will never be able to compete in terms of efficiency as a daily due to lack of hybrid motor, not to mention it's technologically behind. 2 different cars.
@@nikitamarynich1794 I don’t think being less technologically complicated means that it’s technologically behind. Not one person choosing an M5 is choosing it for efficiency either… this seems more like a fully optioned m550i than a Motorsport derived super saloon.
@@nikitamarynich1794 Tech won't mean anything when it comes time to evaluate the cars in the future (and it could be easily argued that buyers are getting tech fatigue in cars anyway; look at how positively people reacted to the Tourbillion's gauge cluster for example). Also if you want efficiency then just buy a 530d or hybrid or whatever they're called, no-ones looking at an M5 for efficiency.
"what's the first thing you do" Well when realising i clicked onto one of the new top gears i switch straight back onto the better and older episodes :)
The problem is that these cars are now “all things to all people”. It needs to be sporty but comfy. It needs to be a tech fest for your passengers. It needs to impress them EU emissions people. What you get in the end is this. In a decade (F10 to G90), an M5 has increased its mass by about 50%.
8:00: Kickdown.....mash the throttle pedal all the day down and you got the job done.....30 years later, it got shoved behind a massive array of electronics and buttons....... simplicity worked....this is just.....a 2 Ton wiring beast.
So BMW made a function that highlights the turbo lag and transmission being slow, that you need to engage to make your 700hp car pass regular traffic better?
I've never been more disappointed with a new car. They took one of the most perfect looking saloon cars and turned it into a heavy Kia for absolutely no reason
They had to resurface the road after this test. You know those twin grooves slowly edged into the highway that you often see in the truck lane? Yes.. that...
Proper journalism? LOL You do know that negative reviews that go against the norm gain more media exposure because it generates more clicks/interests in social media channels. Unless you've been living under a rock all this time or just dropped in from the planet Mars 😂😂
There’s a reason why the new M5 still has a 4.4L V8, with new car regulations all manufactures are expected to turn their cars into hybrids and for bmw to do that without giving a smaller engine like Merc they had to make the car heavier to fit in the electric system. So why complain if that doesn’t reflect on the cars performance and we still receive the V8 we all love ?
@@TooCoolForSchool97 Yup. Most of these motoring journos are useless, he's never been all that good, and i'm sure that up front it has a SOCKET. I would bet a quid that he also says wing mirrors, you know the mirrors that are attached to the doors. In fairness, they all do this
@@hofahome The V10 is a high revving NA engine. It has to be driven like a high revving NA engine, tha'ts what makes it the best because it's not a grocery getter that everyone who samples the E60 M5 for 5 minutes will understand.
The spirit of BMW as a whole has collapsed fallen off the cliffs and is digging under the earth with every new release they have done. They have ruined the name, the authenticity, the german peak performance and the rawness a car should offer. They are proudly moving in the wrong direction ! RIP BMW in hopes that it gets revived one day!
Interesting you say BMW is moving in the wrong direction or fallen off a cliff yet they're selling more and more vehicles each year, gaining new customers and expanding their product line. You don't become the number 1 premium car manufacturer on the planet by 'falling off a cliff' in your business model 😂😂
@@blackpanda7612 right and I have not mentioned them being a bad-selling company. I am talking about their designs and the people who buy these cars over a Mercedes or Audi are dumb. They have created a completely new type of genre in vehicles. Heavy cars, with subscription features, ugly designs increased complex tech, lack of reliability and maintenance issues, making grilles bigger and bigger every year, and much more. I suppose this sounds like a perfect recipe for a car company to you. But I tell you what, its not quite right. Their German competitors have taken good advantage of this. But one thing is for sure, I am surprised how BMW can confidently sell cars like this and make success out of the sales. Its basically a scam on what they are doing. Or it could be a group of people with a spoiled taste in cars.
I'm a Peasant but as you said an M5 CSL would be great, even just for Gran Turismo/Forza, let alone in real life. Very nice car. It's styling is pretty good and as understated as it can be in 2025 while having BMW character. Yellow looks great honestly. Thanks for the video.
I'm guessing this m5 was developed during the electrification period just like the c63. It was a weird moment for automaker But now that they see there's a push back, the next gen M cars will be the one to look for as it'll be "purer" and more ///M ethos focused
New M5 doesn’t make me jump and say I want one, but I will give it one thing, there is now clear distinction between the purposes of an M5 and M3. The new M5 is the Autobahn express for the German business exec, who just so happens to love cars and could go for a nice Sunday drive if he wanted. The M3 is the family sports car, smaller, cheaper, lighter, more enjoyable on a track than the new M5 will likely ever be. Because previously an M5 was just a bigger M3 and most would just say take the M3. I think BMW is trying to segment their customers better this time and I think they will succeed at that. Long time M5 fans will be disappointed, but the M3 is still there to provide some fun.
They are both too fat and too numb. Chasing acceleration numbers. Back in the day, the M3 was a real sports car. A cheaper option to a 911 even. Now it’s not even really a sports sedan. Just a cheaper option to an M5. The closest thing to a real M3 now is a Supra. Hell, Cadillacs are more like older Bimmers than BMWs are now.
So, is the spirit of the M5 alive in this new car - or not?
No. It should've been badged the 560i.
The M5 is supposed to be a refined animal. This isn't.
It's like watches, som people just wan't a Rolex becouse of the brands status, the enthusiasts will have it becouse of the high class mechanical craftsmanship.
This car is made just for the first group of people.
Not really - I mean not the real spirit Motorsport - this is more a GT and that´s coming from a German
E39 was zenith M5 This latest thing is PANTS
it’s heavy even for an SUV. my X4 SUV is 1.7tonn😂 the performance is good which is even more annoying 😂
Was 111,000 the price or the weight?
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110 for a bone stock M5 seems like daylight robbery to me. For that money I'd want minimum a 7 series. What on earth, at this point it better had be the weight.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksat 5500 pounds it basically is a 7 series
That's how you make previous generation M5's more valuable.
I have a 2022 M550 which I bought at lease end. I suspect that the migration to hybrid 6 cylinders will slow my depreciation a bit.
@@markmazurik8329 what do you mean v6? not a single bmw ever has used a v6
@@D6MITRI_ I will correct my post
@@markmazurik8329it’s still gonna depreciate. Nobody buys a regular traffic BMW as an investment
BMW found a way to make us stop talking about their grills.
And jumped on the obesity trends
Germans are having affair with Americans,I guess @@Str8representing
Who is gonna judge your face if you're morbidly obese
They just made the rest of the car uglier to hide the grille
bmw has lost its minds , their cars are ugly and not luxury as it used to be
This car makes Bentleys look like caterhams.
As much as I'm digging this new M5, I would definitely take a Flying Spur over this.
@@blairbrown4812 exactly at least that car makes no pretense about what it is honestly they should have either drop the plug in nature or go with streamline mild hybrid system like the new 911 gts and keep weight in acess of less then 50kg delta to the old one they could easily come up with 700hp pakage at similar weight pakage to the older g30 while improving its handaling and performance the fact that this car is heavier the the i5 m60 is insane might as well strap a bigger motor/battary to the i5 m60 and make it just as fast or faster thent this thing and pipe fake engine sound like the new ionic 5n that would have been a better sell then this car.
Lmao, this m5 looks junk 😂. No one with a brain cell is choosing a bmw junk over a Bentley 😂😂😂
These BMW SUVs are mental!
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The M2 is the real M3
The M3 is the real M5
The new M4 and M5 are pointless
The real M3 is E92 and M5 E60.
M4 is probably the best sports car for the money today
The M5 comp is noticeably faster than the M3 comp XDrive
m2 is getting at the very limits of what it is to be an m3 car.
M4 is coupe version of M3
this is why everyone is doing restomods and paying new car money on 20 year old cars.
Yup
Couldn’t tell if I was looking at a sedan or BMW’s new piece of construction equipment
It should beep when reversing
Never knew top gear started reviewing a cruise ship
BMW driver for almost 25 years here... and I struggle to find anything in the line-up I want to buy next. I watch videos like this trying to convince myself I'll like it. But I don't. I LOVED my prior BMWs, starting way back in the day with an e46 I bought new out of college - never looked back and have always bought BMWs. But, I'm just beside myself that they've gotten so far away from the ethos of being (a) beautiful and (b) sporty combined into one machine. Now I see neither beauty nor sport... but ugly and brutish performance. I'd honestly look past a hybrid drive system if it was done well. But I can't look past the aesthetics here... nor the weight.
Same here, I own two classics e28 and e24, and a F36 428 GC as a daily driver.
Can't see any new BMW to replace the F36, one of the last good-looking ones in my eyes.
Stick to older then as all new powerful premium luxury cars are getting built like. There's a Lambourn that's over 2 tonne and it's not the Urus
Go easy! Try a new m240i and the simplicity of a 6Zylinder Engine all wheel Drive BMW will satisfy u again.😄🙌🏻
Could not agree more!
100% agreed. Hard to muster the interest in this car. Especially when Porsche can demonstrate that they can do hybrid under 100Kg with the new GTS etc
Regardless of weight it just doesn't look good. F90 was aesthetically pleasing. It just looks like a brick.
Yeah particularly the front. Shiny black plastic seems to be like a cancer that won’t go away.
I kind of disagree with this statement. I think it's the best looking current M car (though that's not a high bar...). It's the only one that I don't find outright ugly.
@B4R0N. I kind of agree. I think the m2 looks nice too. I feel like they peaked with the last gen m5.
Looks better in person
Interior is a nightmare though in my opinion
Thank god they fired the head designer
The M5 used to be my dream car. They really screwed it up. I don't know what that thing is. The previous generation's prices are going to go through the roof!
No they are not
M-5 tonnes
Lol. Underrated comment.
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i like this one
I have no clue why anyone would want this over the previous generation. The weight is ridiculous
Just to let you guys know, the new m5 weighs more than
• A 2023 Ford F-150 (4,600-5,200 lbs depending on the model)
• A Chevrolet Suburban (around 5,200 lbs)
• A Toyota Land Cruiser (5,200 lbs)
• cirrus visionjet (3,000lbs)
• The Hubble Space Telescope (4,800 lbs)
• A great white shark (4,200 lbs)
• A Tyrannosaurus rex skeleton (up to 5,000 lbs)
• A fully grown giraffe (2,500-3,000 lbs)
It also weighs more than:
- A Giulia QV towing a Cessna.
- A Range Rover.
- A White Rhino.
- Yo Momma.
Oh and the moon.
not the hubble lmfao😂🤣
Also seats 2 fewer people than the Cirrus (or some of the cars, but a whole ass business jet being lighter than a "sports" sedan is much funnier)
This comment made my day🤣🤣🤣
If this were Jeremy he would honestly claim this is shite. Great review
Lol Jeremy Clarkson is a glorified TV presenter. People like Tiff Needell and Chris Harris were actual pro race drivers. I'd take their words on any metric regarding the performance of a car over Clarkson any day of the week.
Hilarious how people buy into Clarkson's words 😂
Slower, heavier and uglier than the outgoing M5. Awesome job!
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Not sure about slower just saw someone hit faster 100-200 than f90 🤷🏾♂️ new m5 is great
I think you just hit on BMW's design brief
Plug in.... dumb. Should've been non-plugin.
Not at all.. hybrids aren’t all negative. G90 is amazing, s68 alone makes up for it even tho the hybrid does alr
I used to love BMWs and always aspired to an M5 - apart from the current designs which I cannot warm to, your summary captures all the reasons I won’t buy another one - in fact I got rid of my 840i in favour of an Alpine A110 - now that’s an ultimate driving machine!
Is that a bus
More like a Boeing 747
More like a small moon.
This is antonov 225✈️
@@ALMX5DPThat’s no moon…
it's a locomotive
0:14 he acting he got in between the eyes😂
It's not an M5, it's a giant Lego brick on wheels. BMW have completely missed the point with this car and as did Mercedes with their offering. More isn't always better.
Mercedes dropped the v8, so it’s not as bad
Every reviewer that has driven this beast has said otherwise, keep crying lol
@@thaalrasha the v8 is in most newer mag cars?..
@@seekensrp no amg dropped the v8 from C an E class. Now they are 4cylinder hybrid
@@Johnnyggaor you can try being an adult instead of resorting to the “cope” retort of children. 🤷♂️
Fact is that this latest M5 is within one teenager’s weight of a GMC Yukon, which is outrageous.
Much like their current styling, BMW is woefully misguided in their exchange of subtle fine dining for gluttonous buffet style. It’s like their current generation of engineers and designers looked at an epic back catalogue and just shrugged, deciding that that was too boring and/or too hard.
This latest M5 has more tech and better average fuel economy and…
…that’s about it. It’s demonstrably worse at being an M5 than its predecessors and all you’ve got is basically emojis as a counterpoint.
540kg just for all the hybrid stuff? Yeah, no thanks. I can miss that out. Give me the previous gen M5 all day.
Also, Tom's right at 11:03. In the olden days, it's a straightforward decision to get the M5 over the rest of 5er. But since the F10 series, the non-M 5er has been so good that you have to ask yourself about buying the M5.
I gravitate towards M5s, but with this one is for another reason.
Nice..
Lol
Hey, science joke!
😭😭😭goated comment
These cars are making me realize how much I miss 2010’s BMW’s…
Dont miss it buy one. I was always looking for modern cars but not anymore. Im more interested to buy cars with characters and with fun engine to drive around 8 years old. Avoid all modern quality like looking cars feels like plastics.
I can't watch this video. This content is too heavy for me.
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The guy makes it so boring!
Is too light for me.
Some say this video is 1000 terra bytes
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20 years ago we thought Chris bangle wrecked bmw for looks. Now his shapes look like a classic vs. what’s offered these days.
BMW likes to take a poo on design once in a while
Honestly, they've aged so well. He did a talk about his design ethos when I was at uni and I was sold. They look...elegant compared to this.There's zero design cohesion. It just looks looks like an afterthought in design with 'tech' vomited all over it.
Bmw used to make such fun cars to drive.
I've not driven many modern cars but I just can't imagine picking this one with that budget. So complicated and unnatural. How much of that sound is speakers? So much hybrid but it doesn't make it spectacular off the line like an electric car, still does that like a fat sports saloon. If I park outside, I might just get a Lucid Air in stead. If I park inside...I guess I'd take the Jaguar XF Sportbrake (only used now I think) and spend a seeming unreasonable amount on making it better where possible. The engine less boring, the chassis more amazing.
just like this one, insanely good handling and rapid fast.
@@Cloxxki It’s definitely as spectacular off the line as an EV, it’s faster than the F90. Handles really really good, i see nothing wrong with the G90
man shut the fuck up, almost all journalist are having fun with this thing. Enjoy ur golf V and fuck off
They still do. I have driven an M2 on an autocross course, and an M3 and M4 on a race track. They were all a lot of fun. My favorite was the M2. I have driven a regular 5-series and it was way to big and heavy.
This review makes me feel even better about getting into a Giulia QV after an E92 before they ended production. Feels like the last of a dying (already dead?) breed.
That giulia QV is way better than that M5
Every time I see a human near that thing I worry the required escape velocity for said human will not be reached and eventually the M5 will consume all matter becoming a singularity and threatening our existence. Thankfully you made it home.
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M5 CS. Values are sky rocketing after this one.
so a detuned v8 with a electric motor and more weight
Maybe this is what customers want? The public will decide
Don't worry they'll happily retune it and tweak the hybrid system to make 800hp+ and call it the "Label Red" and charge 20k more for it. Like they did with the BMW XM.
Not the costumers but the regulations @@almac9203
detuned?? its 3.4 secs to sixty, and 190+mph🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️,
@@vincesplc Yes detuned. The same 4,4L V8 made 635hp in it's previous form. Now it has been detuned to 580hp
The engine sound is louder inside than outside. Actually very polite to the environment. Appreciate that. I wonder when we will see the first tutorial videos on recommended settings. I love messing around with setup options, but some advice is also welcome.
The environment don't give a crap about noise, thunder everywhere.
Only a mother could love that
this will be iconic within the next 10 years, mark my words.
That tacky screen in place of an instrument cluster is unforgiveable at this price.
100% -- just ghastly
@@nikitamarynich1794 you see the new 2024 Bugatti Tourbillon? Go watch that reveal, see it's instrument cluster and see what they say there about timelessness and beauty of design.
I could not agree more. It's like they mistranslated "in" and "on" one day and now mimicks a decked out media room with a nice TV sitting on 3 cardboard boxes and the 3" tall fixed stand that came with it.
Really all versions of that generic instrument cluster/screen in BMWs now look cheap. If you're going to save money with the screen, the least you can do is put it IN the dash.
I genuinely hate that trend aesthetically. Other manufacturers with fully digital displays still bother to provide a hood binnacle area to make it look as though they at least tried to integrate it into the vehicle.
At any price really. Tacky screens are worse AND more expensive, so any car, cheap or expensive, should have a nice instrument cluster.
Not an M5 in my book. Great review, thank you.
Abomination.
Heresy
Absolute disgrace.
Exterminatus
Used to have an E39 M5 gen2 in the 90's... how i miss it 😢
Respect ❤
Still looks weird ... the outgoing M5 CS is just near perfection.
Makes the M3 look much better ...
Both ugly. M6 is the only beautiful one left.
@@verhu010 M6? or M8?
@@verhu010don’t worry, you’re the only one that has that sort of opinion…
Nope, I agree with him. The current M2, M3 and M5 are all absolutely hideous compared to their previous generation in my opinion as well. I'd have the F10, F80 or F90 over these anytime.
YESS!!
I'm keeping my '20 Competition, hopefully can find a '23 Competition to upgrade to in a year. I just don't understand the weight gain.
What BMW needs to do with every single M car is provide a “pure” option. No battery assist. No auto. A TCS on or off button. Analog gauges. RWD. Doesn’t even need to make 700~ HP. Charge less, sell more. Winner.
They won't.
Look, even Porsche recognizes this is what people who really like cars truly want, so they do make them; and it's called the GT3. You can't realistically buy a GT3 because they produce them in numbers so small you can't even be allocated, and even if you do you will charge huge, huuuge premiums depending on your country.
They know the outcry and demands for a full-fledged purist variant. So they'll make you only pay outrageous numbers to obtain one. German sports car companines are only worth when boycotted nowdays.
They would do it, they are not stupid - but they cannot due to environmental compliance
Aim your ire at the administrative states shoving needless mandates down the manufacturers throats to force wealth transfers under the pretense of environmentalism.
Great review, on point and honest. Definitely lost its spirit, someone at BMW is cooking but it ain't alright
It will never look as good as the E39 M5
privieldged to have owned one
@tindets how did you find it? Dynamically speaking.
Been close a couple times now and decided against it
Truth.
It looks like a newer F60, I don't see an issue.
Never ever
Thanks for speaking out loud Tom! This is what real journalism is all about, not following fake orders from car manufacturers.
Push throttle, speed goes up, fun achieved, yay!
Alternatively, I'll take something half the weight, with half the power. I'm sure they've done very clever things with the dynamics, but no "sporty" car should be heavier than a Giulia QV towing a Cessna...yes really.
get the All wheel drive 2024 gr yaris with either 6 speed or the new 8 speed auto it makes about 276hp and weight exactly half of this m5 and its 2+2 hacth.
@@patthonsirilim5739 Can never go wrong with a GR Yaris!
I got a 308 GTi instead. 1205kg, 270hp (before the decat 😄), completely insane 380mm brakes, an LSD and a chassis that loves going sideways - I've had the tail out more in 1 year of that than I did in 9 years of exclusive RWD ownership 😁
The 308 also isn't much less practical than an M5 (bigger boot, less rear leg room) and has stuff like massage seats while being 5* NCAP (at release). An M5 will be heavier than 1205kg, but there's no way it needed to be more than double the weight.
£110k, 700hp+ and 2.4 tonnes: The M5, or a 308 GTi towing a Lotus Exige...I know which I'd take 🤣
I sat in the very first new model BMW M5 Competition (looks identical to this car), 5 minutes after if arrived from Production to the BMW Welt in Munich! The BMW Concierge I was working with went directly to the Engineering staff who had just delivered the car and obtained the keys and allowed me to sit in and start this vehicle. I was the only non-BMW employee allowed to enter that car. The interior was Fascinating and opulent. Also, @ 6'8" (203 cm), I was able to sit in this car! Yes, I have the pictures and video to prove it. :-)
Not even titanic can carry this😮😮😂
It wasn’t an iceberg that sank it 😉
I love Tom's reviews! They're a pleasure to watch-he not only gives the new technology a chance but also draws fascinating parallels with older-generation cars. Well done, Tom!
BMW's fall off has to be studied
😅😅😅
What kind of fall?
Company sales numbers are skyrocketing.
The most profitable auto manufacturer in the world with $27.6 billion net profit.
0:45 "Subtle Looks" proceeds to walk past bright yellow car Haha
Whoa, I totally felt that earthquake last month. Now I know it was related to that gargantuan behemoth doing launch control things.
BMW have finally found something too heavy for it ever to be an acceptable reference in a "yo momma" joke. Nobody's mother is this fat.
9:45 5 liter x5??? I'm pretty sure you meant 3l 😅
The last gen m5 did 0-60 in 2.9-3.1 depending on spec. "3 and a half seconds" is a fair bit worse.
No surprise given all that weight added.
The weight isn't even it. They're exposing themselves for delivering a lame and badly tuned hybrid system. If that hybrid were potent and well setup, there is no reason that this car accelerates much slower than a high power electric sedan (low 2 seconds is the norm in this price range). It's a half arsed effort. Something we see also in German full EVs, they're barely trying. Porsche is the least bad, and we know even they are pulling their punches with Taycan and Macan.
New one is faster, joe achilles has a video testing it
To be fair BMW always underrates their figures. They said that previous gen M5 did 0-60 in 3.4 but it's been proven to be even faster. There should no surprise that this will do it faster than 3.5
@@CloxxkiWho are you implying is doing a good job? Lucid? Even pulling their punches, the Taycan is one of the best if not the best EV sedan on sale.
Depending on spec? Those are CS and this is a stock BMW that hasn't been tested properly nor tuned. This will be a 2.5 sec car down the line.
12:28 to show the E28 in this video is so cruel. What an utter regression by BMW. The F10 M5 is the last good M5, it has to be said.
F10 m5 was shit. So un reliable and could never even put its power down. F90 was better in everyway
F90 mate
I'm still left scratching my head wondering who greenlighted this 5 series design. Or didn't BMW do a design study with previous gen customers? And settings, settings, and more settings....why?
I heard that it was going to be electric but somebody convinced them to do a V8 late in the process. I think that makes sense because its so insanely heavy and it looks like an ev.
Gotta appreciate how 4RA handles recalculations, always fair and quick
That’s no moon… it’s a BMW!
Those New York cabs are getting quick.
Is that a tank?
😢😂
A German tank!
Just posting an unpopular view: I love it.
The fact that that BMW will still provide a V8 and the battery range / boost when others are downsizing shouldn’t be forgotten.
The '22 M5cs will be worth all the $$ one day... it was exactly what, in my mind, people want from an M5 (coming from an E34 M5 owner).
Don't think so. F90 will never be able to compete in terms of efficiency as a daily due to lack of hybrid motor, not to mention it's technologically behind. 2 different cars.
@@nikitamarynich1794 I don’t think being less technologically complicated means that it’s technologically behind. Not one person choosing an M5 is choosing it for efficiency either… this seems more like a fully optioned m550i than a Motorsport derived super saloon.
@@nikitamarynich1794 Tech won't mean anything when it comes time to evaluate the cars in the future (and it could be easily argued that buyers are getting tech fatigue in cars anyway; look at how positively people reacted to the Tourbillion's gauge cluster for example).
Also if you want efficiency then just buy a 530d or hybrid or whatever they're called, no-ones looking at an M5 for efficiency.
@@nikitamarynich1794nobody buying a V8 thinks about efficiency
I used to love my old BMW. Now I don’t think there is a single car in their range I’d want, money no object.
Same 100000%. The brand bores me. Sorry and I love bmws (e39 owner)
My phone fell when I clicked on the video because of how heavy the car is
"what's the first thing you do"
Well when realising i clicked onto one of the new top gears i switch straight back onto the better and older episodes :)
The problem is that these cars are now “all things to all people”. It needs to be sporty but comfy. It needs to be a tech fest for your passengers. It needs to impress them EU emissions people. What you get in the end is this. In a decade (F10 to G90), an M5 has increased its mass by about 50%.
8:00: Kickdown.....mash the throttle pedal all the day down and you got the job done.....30 years later, it got shoved behind a massive array of electronics and buttons.......
simplicity worked....this is just.....a 2 Ton wiring beast.
Remember this car grandpa had an NA V10 and a SMG
The V10 was awesome, SMG, not so much.
@@billymays7210 it was visceral, none were reliable though
@@alyousuf I guess better than a slush box but far inferior to a dual clutch, and the manual is always going to be more visceral.
So BMW made a function that highlights the turbo lag and transmission being slow, that you need to engage to make your 700hp car pass regular traffic better?
It has its own gravitational pull. Quite the selling point.
And we’re back to nine planets
The way 4RA displays stats and info, makes deciding bets so much easier!
3:06 - did you actually call that geometric lo-res mess a 'sober' design?
Stunning in yellow! Gives me Dakar Yellow flashbacks.
I've never been more disappointed with a new car. They took one of the most perfect looking saloon cars and turned it into a heavy Kia for absolutely no reason
you nailed it, very well put
BBB - Bring Bangle Back
Er, please pump the brakes on that...
@@chriswilliams8849😅😂 the people r desperate out here
The spirit of the M5 has sadly vanished.
Bro 5500 pounds and ONLY 700+hp… I think even a hellcat could smoke this
The only things Hellcats smoke are their tires.
@@TooCoolForSchool97 and this M5
Hellcat 3.9 to 60mph BMW 3.6 so no it wouldn't
@@tighematthew 3.9 ALLEGEDLY never saw one do less than 4.7
Yeah i was giving them hope 😂@Random63R400
Awesome review, you mentioned all the details and tiny bits that make it feel „less of a M car“
They had to resurface the road after this test. You know those twin grooves slowly edged into the highway that you often see in the truck lane? Yes.. that...
Ultimate Driving Machine 🙄🙄🙄
can we get an M5 lite with less weight and just the essentials?
Yes, for $225,000 they will remove the rear seats, add a roll bar, and call it a Competition... And it will only save 100kg. 😂
It weighs more than the Lucid Air Saphire 😮
Finally a good review. A review where you are willing to talk smack about a car and be honest. That is proper journalism! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Proper journalism? LOL You do know that negative reviews that go against the norm gain more media exposure because it generates more clicks/interests in social media channels. Unless you've been living under a rock all this time or just dropped in from the planet Mars 😂😂
There’s a reason why the new M5 still has a 4.4L V8, with new car regulations all manufactures are expected to turn their cars into hybrids and for bmw to do that without giving a smaller engine like Merc they had to make the car heavier to fit in the electric system. So why complain if that doesn’t reflect on the cars performance and we still receive the V8 we all love ?
Very valid point.
BMW make a 5 litre X5?! 9:39
Just shows how little the new Top Gear actually knows about cars.
@@TooCoolForSchool97 Yup. Most of these motoring journos are useless, he's never been all that good, and i'm sure that up front it has a SOCKET. I would bet a quid that he also says wing mirrors, you know the mirrors that are attached to the doors. In fairness, they all do this
This one really hurt to hear from this brand
It’s actually 4.4 Litres
The tech behind 4ra's betting is top notch, bets go through so smooth
For some weird reason am liking it, just like the M3 grill. Its growing on me ❤
It's grown on me too, but like a skin tumor.
4ra's bet recalculations never disappoint, transparency and speed
The last great M5 was the E60 M5.
Eh. My old boss had one and let me drive it. Sounded great for sure but the engine felt underwhelming to me. Took too long to build speed.
@@hofahome You don't know how to drive one.
@@Edison73100 how so?
@@hofahome The V10 is a high revving NA engine. It has to be driven like a high revving NA engine, tha'ts what makes it the best because it's not a grocery getter that everyone who samples the E60 M5 for 5 minutes will understand.
@@Edison73100 ok fair point. I prefer tq in cars. I also live in Colorado which really affects NA cars. Forced induction is a must here.
Everytime the M5 was on the screen I couldn’t pick up my phone
The spirit of BMW as a whole has collapsed fallen off the cliffs and is digging under the earth with every new release they have done. They have ruined the name, the authenticity, the german peak performance and the rawness a car should offer. They are proudly moving in the wrong direction ! RIP BMW in hopes that it gets revived one day!
Interesting you say BMW is moving in the wrong direction or fallen off a cliff yet they're selling more and more vehicles each year, gaining new customers and expanding their product line.
You don't become the number 1 premium car manufacturer on the planet by 'falling off a cliff' in your business model 😂😂
@@blackpanda7612 right and I have not mentioned them being a bad-selling company. I am talking about their designs and the people who buy these cars over a Mercedes or Audi are dumb. They have created a completely new type of genre in vehicles. Heavy cars, with subscription features, ugly designs increased complex tech, lack of reliability and maintenance issues, making grilles bigger and bigger every year, and much more. I suppose this sounds like a perfect recipe for a car company to you. But I tell you what, its not quite right. Their German competitors have taken good advantage of this. But one thing is for sure, I am surprised how BMW can confidently sell cars like this and make success out of the sales. Its basically a scam on what they are doing. Or it could be a group of people with a spoiled taste in cars.
I'm a Peasant but as you said an M5 CSL would be great, even just for Gran Turismo/Forza, let alone in real life. Very nice car. It's styling is pretty good and as understated as it can be in 2025 while having BMW character. Yellow looks great honestly. Thanks for the video.
Literally lost me at 6:00 min mark. Get on with the driving already.🙄✌🏾
Too much yapping about tech we don’t want 😂
nice 18 wheeler bro. 🚚
I'm guessing this m5 was developed during the electrification period just like the c63. It was a weird moment for automaker
But now that they see there's a push back, the next gen M cars will be the one to look for as it'll be "purer" and more ///M ethos focused
The next gen will be in 7 years so who knows what the market/trend will be then. I highly doubt it will be purer in any way.
Love how they kept the bus theme going with the colour.
Why does BMW insist on making large, ugly cars? With the exception of the F Series, this brand lost their identify after the E46 platform.
The M8 was their last beautiful car before going downhill
The next E63 and RS7 are also going to be heavy hybrids. The 2024 AMG E53 already weighs similar to the new M5.
New M5 doesn’t make me jump and say I want one, but I will give it one thing, there is now clear distinction between the purposes of an M5 and M3. The new M5 is the Autobahn express for the German business exec, who just so happens to love cars and could go for a nice Sunday drive if he wanted. The M3 is the family sports car, smaller, cheaper, lighter, more enjoyable on a track than the new M5 will likely ever be. Because previously an M5 was just a bigger M3 and most would just say take the M3. I think BMW is trying to segment their customers better this time and I think they will succeed at that. Long time M5 fans will be disappointed, but the M3 is still there to provide some fun.
They are both too fat and too numb. Chasing acceleration numbers. Back in the day, the M3 was a real sports car. A cheaper option to a 911 even. Now it’s not even really a sports sedan. Just a cheaper option to an M5. The closest thing to a real M3 now is a Supra. Hell, Cadillacs are more like older Bimmers than BMWs are now.
@@billymays7210how the turn tables
Lol new m3 weight around the same as e38 7 series 😂 Thats as sporty as sumo