Q.どうやって英語を勉強したの？ A.勉強はしない。How I learned English 2
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元・外語大生のひとり言です。帰国子女でも、英語の権威でもございませんが、頂いた質問に僕なりに答えていきますので、よければご覧下さい。ひとり言なので質問は英語に関連していなくても気軽にどうぞ。
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I actually prefer having a teacher n a small class to learn. I'm studying Japanese n I found that having a teacher teach me is funner n easier,I also study sometimes my own. In a big class or school u don't usually learn all of it, the other part is to learn it by researching.Very good info, I agree with school n the partner online sounds but I'm a little shyxD
Ima kid I love Japanese people and shonenjump anime and a dbz fan.
Rachel & Jun Thanks to this video I signed up with italki and found a great language exchange buddy for Taiwan Mandarin for free over the messaging system. We had a fun time and I learned some Mandarin, all for free. This website really works great and there's a lot of people there who are perfectly happy to language exchange in whatever language you want to learn.
Michael Taylor How long have you tried for? If not for long maybe it's just a time zone difference? I only signed up, made a profile and started sending out language exchange invitation messages this morning. I went to a local store for some very quick shopping and when I came home someone had already replied and we had a great time language exchanging until it became bed time because of the time difference.
All the English speaking Japanese people on the website charge money? There's no people there who are just so-so at English and willing for free exchanging? The website makes it very easy to figure out a person's English level by having that bar graph out of 5 bars of how good a person is at a language. I did a search and used the bar graphs as well as reading through posts these potential exchange partners had made to gauge their English before deciding if the person was at a good English level that we could both benefit from each other's tutoring.
Rachel & Jun Trying to learn Japanese going from a English speaking background. Going to try the site italki once I am more comfortable right now I am just beginning and have been using JapanesePod101 for some basics still don't know much yet. I will get there in time though I think.
8:01 編集ミスです。すみません。「日本語上手いなとか思っちゃう訳です。」
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Same.
I could listen to Jun talk for hours omg his voice is soothing
このシリーズ、待ってました！！
英語学習を楽しむためには、このチャンネルが欠かせません！！
ジュンさんの日本語が英語訛りしているような気がする…笑
訳あって、急に英語をやり始めること事に"決めた"おじさんです。勇気を貰いました。やってみます。アメリカ人は年齢は気にしないと聞きました。ありがとうございます。
SEOUL HIDE ひーはー
Excellent video, which basically applies to all languages.
For me, while (trying) to learn Japanese, I actually pick up the Manga of a series I've seen and read through it. Extremely tough at first but the trick is to keep going as long as you 'get the gist of it'. Eventually I look up kanji and words I don't know, but the overall fun aspect of reading something I like keeps me going no matter what. This is the same method i used to learn English as well, and it worked so well for me that I even ended up skipping entire grades.
Chris K. I did the same thing, but then with books like Percy Jackson and Lord of the Rings. Having such a huge interest in a subject that you "decode" it helps you so much as when you see something repeated it reminds you what it was and so you "learned" it.
Chris K. This is basically how I learned English, too.
Just learning vocab doesn't do the trick for me, I never get the words into my active vocabulary.
So my weapon of choice was the internet. Reading blogs, watching youtube and participating in forum discussions made it an easy to learn language for me while I always struggled with latin.
Too much grammar and absolutely no way of communicating in the language.
Wow,i dont understand people who say "jun doesnt smile very often",jun has such a cute smile!
このひとり言シリーズ、すごく分かりやすくて助かります。分からないとか文句言っている人がいるのかよく分からないです...。これからも楽しみにしています！
This is super useful, not just for English learners, but because you apply everything you said and just replace the language you're learning.
I've been learning Japanese for a few months and I really like hearing you speak even though it's way too fast for me to understand (I can still catch a few words though).
Btw I'm on iTalki if any native speakers out there want to chat!
+Alyssa Schiffman I thought italki isn't free
Andy Lai The only thing on iTalki that isn't free is time with private language teachers, who I believe you can pay by the hour to chat with. Everything else is 100% free though.
Big wow for Jun. He is obviously VERY intelligent and laying this all down correctly. I am watching these for the sole purpose of listening to Japanese spoke fluently as it is. When I learned Spanish my hardest part was listening to someone who spoke it naturally. Once I learned to hear everything was great.
最近、Rachel&Junさんの動画を音楽代わりにずっと聴いてたら、留学生の友達との会話で使う英語の発音が良くなってきた気がします！
発音が良くなると会話のリズムが良くなるので、以前よりも会話が盛り上がるようになりました！
I agree that grim determination and dread are not what you want to feel when studying a new language. Learning is easier when you are having fun.
Very spiffy look, and great tips!!! :)
KemushiChan ロレッタ ヾ(´▽｀;)ゝ
Watching this even though I am already fluent in English... lol.
It's fun and educational to watch haha
Lol me too
ビデオにありがとう！
僕は毎日日本語を勉強します。日々日本のビデオを見てコメントを読みます。時々友達で話せます。彼はドイツ語を勉強したいから楽しみです。そうして友達と僕は英語を話せます・・・それだからコミュニケーションは易しい ^^
my English is bad and my Japanese is worse... but I love languages and I'm not afraid of mistakes... so I always use both languages as often as I can... the point is - languages exist to make people unterstand, what you want them to know... mistakes are inevitable and most of the time you're understood anyway...
that was a great video Jun... this is something I try to teach my students every day... that they have to get comfortable with the language... most are the kind of person you described at the beginning and some are afraid of their mistakes... it's hard to make them understand the importance of languages... maybe I'll use this video for my lessons (with your permission of course :)
I use Google translate 😂
日本語は発音が多少おかしくても通じますけど、英語は発音が多少おかしいだけで伝わらない事もありますからね。
それ言われる人って、自信無い話し方してるのが原因と思います。
サルトはソルトにしないと通じないけど。。
Correct me if I'm wrong but a large part of why the Japanese have a hard time pronouncing english words is that the japanese "alphabet" do not contain pronounciations like the letters L or V which the english grammar uses them alot. And they instead turn them into words that often start with the letters R or B. Again im no expert (not my first language) but just a simple diagnosis.
ogorhan English has a wide range of things to pronounce, Japanese does not. because of that Japanese fits into English but not vise-versa
ogorhan No, it's not an issue of the Japanese writing system.
It's that they haven't grown up, hearing those sounds. People learn to distinguish certain sounds as language sounds, at an early age.
Trying to learn to distinguish and speak a sound that you didn't grow up with, is quite hard ...and Japanese has relatively few language sounds, meaning that they have a lot of sounds to try to learn, when they learn English, or any other language.
On the other hand, people trying to learn Japanese, usually wont have too much difficulty in learning to pronounce Japanese sounds (well, most don't bother to learn how to perfectly pronounce all of the sounds, but they get close enough)
ogorhan The word you're looking for is phonetics. Sounds used in east are vastly different from the ones used in west. Another thing is that phonetic rules in Japanese are much more loose than in English so the transition is tough, especially since writing has fallen behind the changes occurring in spoken language.
Harry *vice versa
meinardsl _"Another thing is that phonetic rules in Japanese are much more loose than in English"_
What!?
Surely you've mixed the languages, there? Japanese is fairly simple and consistent, phonetically speaking. English, on the other hand, is pretty damn messy.
全員英語が出来なくて良いと言うのは賛成。英語は本当に必要になったらなんとかなるって感じですね。それより自分の専門分野での実力の方がずっと大事です。アメリカで日本から訪れる多くの日本人技術者と接してきましたが、彼らの英語はかなりブロークン。でも説明する内容が重要であればアメリカ人もなんとか聞き取ろうと努力してくれますからね。日本人技術者も「いや〜もっと英語勉強せんと〜」って感じで帰っていきます。必要を感じたからにはやる気も出るのでは。
Jun's voice is so soothing ^ ^
いつも楽しく拝見しています。
レイチェルさんの動画ではいつも日本に感動していることが伝わります。JUNさんというパートナーがいたからこそかもしれません。
英語を話すためにはおっしゃるようにパートナーが必要ですね。
僕はカラオケで、子供の時に聞いていたカーペンターズなどをなるべく完コピに近い感じで歌うようにして、発音の練習をしています。
問題は歌の意味がわからないことです。
ともあれ少しづつなれていこうと思います。
日本語が上手といえば朝の外人チャンネルさんですね。彼の動画も楽しく見ています。
日本人としてしっかりしなきゃと思います。
日本語がすこし英語っぽい
私もそう思いました！
Rachel and Jun, I want to thank you. Without your videos about learning languages, I wouldn't have any more motivation to learn Japanese. ありがとうございます。
well..I live in Tokyo and I notice that actually, the Japanese are NOT bad in English. They're actually quite knowledgeable. However, they are really reluctant to talk in English. I suspect that they would feel too embarassed if they make any mistake?
Chikaさんの動画から知りました。Junさんの英語の授業すっごく勉強になります！ありがとうございます！
ご視聴ありがとうございます！授業なんてできる身分ではないのでタダの体験談ですが、参考になれば幸いです。^^
Another thing, that I consider being important when learning a language is continuity. I've started learning Japanese last autumn. I'm not good yet, but I am slowly getting better. The thing that works best for me is learning a bit every day (5 days a week), even if its just advancing 2 pages in my textbook. No matter how tired I am or how late I get home from work, I always learn at least something - this way, it might take a while, but I will reach a level I am satisfied with one day.
I remember a story from my parents, who were a member of a small sci-fi convention in my country. There were 2 Japanese girls there who were really hard to understand in English They also seemed very embarrassed to talk about their occupation. It turned out they were English teachers.
Pronunciation is very important!
You are absolutely right about pronunciation. Learning how to make the different subtleties of sound actually helps most learners hear the differences when others speak as well.
The last eikaiwa I worked at wanted us to downplay pronunciation in favor of grammar and reading, but when I took the time to cover it anyway, a number of students thanked me for it. Plus, making new noises and learning the feeling sounds take in the mouth and throat can make for a really fun class. I never understood that school's attitude!
"The sun will rise" YES, Jun! What a great line! What a great outlook to have.
Thanks for the video, it was really informative.
I sent this to my Japanese friend in like a nanosecond! He always keeps on going "I'm so bad at English and there is no helping it" and "your English is so much better than mine even though you're not a native speaker either" and "your educational system must be so much better than ours". Those comments always make me extremely mad, because I have to keep on telling him that the only reason I'm sorta good at English (and other languages) is because I find it (/them) fun. And I've told him a million times the exact same thing that Jun talked about: he just needs to find a reason of his own to make it interesting to him as well. It's about time for him to now hear a second, like-minded opinion, but this time from another Japanese person.
sakuramankai If you speak as well as you write I can understand why your friend is so impressed with your ability in English. Your written English is flawless: you even used the colon correctly!
Brained05 haha wow, thank you~ *awkward laugh* I'll let you in on a secret, though: 90% of the time I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing, I just follow some sort of gut feel and hope I get everything correct ;D
But it was really nice to read such positive feedback :)
sakuramankai gut feeling! That's how I do math! And when you're fluent in that math, the answer just comes out! I also agree that your written english is very fluent.
sakuramankai haha i cant tell that you aren't a native english speaker coz your english writing is flawless! it is amazing and seemingly like a native speaker if you can choose your words by gut feel ;)
Haimy Ly SummerDew wow haha, thanks a lot you both! And tbh the gut feeling just comes after long exposure to anything you enjoy, really (:
I'm learning my 4th language, and something that I've noticed it that when you speak japanese the words flow out of your mouth with ease, but when you speak english you strain your throat.
Oh wow! That's true! : )
furisode-shoujo Most english accents are based on how one uses their throat to speak. Something you learn when singing, is to move all of your words to the front of your mouth. So if you are having throat strain, speak more like an Italian.
Krieghandt That's true. British english and australian english are less straining than american english, which is what you learn as a second language in Europe.
English is considered Germanic as far as I'm aware (As a native English speaker I honestly can't hear it as much as foreigners probably can). The other problem with English is how shitty us native speakers are at our own language xD In Australia, people to to mumble a lot, speak quickly and mis-pronounce words, so if a foreigner came here they'd need a decent English level if they planned to come here (Correct me if I'm wrong, as an Aussie I honestly don't know if what I'm sayings correct xD)
Cleopatra03PRIVATE I've haven't seen any similarities between English and German, in the five years I've been learning German. The grammar and pronunciation is as very different.
I agree that many young native english speakers are bad at their own language. I remember apologizing for any grammatical errors to a tourist from the US, and they responded with 'lol, it okay'.
Hi! I'm from Spain and the next year I'll be studying English Spanish and German to become a translator and interperter. This video will make learning languages easier even when I'm a starter. Thank you so much for the effort both of you put on the channel. I will definitly try the web.! 😊
うーん。めっちゃ分かる。特に楽して学ぶです。書くのが得意な日本人は多いですが喋るのには2段くらいギアを変えないと駄目ですもんね。
I don't know why,but i find these videos so relaxing and i love them. Maybe it's because Jun's voice xD
I just started trying to learn Japanese and am progressing at a really slow pace. This video made me feel so much better. It seems like the feelings of "this is super hard" are the same on both sides, which is pretty cool. Trust me, Japanese is really intimidating to a beginner (at least for me, anyway). I'm honestly glad it's mutual. Thanks Jun!
私も英語はネイティブに話せますが、やはり外国人の友達を作る事で学びました。学生時代にアメリカに留学して英語圏に限らず多国籍の友達を作って色々な言語を学ぶ機会もありましたし。今は英語、中国語(台湾語)、韓国語、ドイツ語は話せます。独身時代は外資系企業のOLだったので海外出張では役に立ちましたが、今は全く違う仕事をしているのであまり使わないですね。外国人の友達が言うには言語を学ぶには外国人とコミュニケーション取り巻くるが一番だそう。日本語は漢字、カタカナ、ひらがな、外来語、同音異義語、都道府県にある方言、何たらかんたらあって一番難しいとも言ってた。
Jun-san, I hope many people get inspired by this video. I've been teaching in Japan 7 years, and I think you made really good points to how a Japanese student can improve their English skills; Motivation and enjoying communication!
You may never see this comment, but you're an excellent teacher, Jun! You're keying in on something that even most American teachers don't understand-- that students need to have intrinsic motivation (you talked about that in the first video) and have fun if they expect to learn anything! Your way of explaining things is very patient and clear, too. Do you teach anything in Japan? I've been watching this channel for a few months now and I really enjoy it. I Mukashi mukashi I studied Japanese in college and visited Fukuoka for a summer study abroad program... now my husband and I are thinking of travelling to Japan next summer. Maybe I'll try italki so i can review and help others (I teach writing here in America).
A note about pronunciation: I've met quite a few Japanese learners of English here (I live near two major universities with Japanese exchange programs as well as the American satellite campus of a women's English university in Nishinomiya) and many of them seem embarrassed about having so much difficulty with differentiating between R and L, both in listening and in speaking, since they both sound very close to the ラ sound. The thing is, the sounds you are able to perceive when listening to someone speak are largely locked into your mind when you are a child. So trying to learn a language as an adult, if your target language has two different sounds that are very close to a single sound you grew up with, it can be extremely difficult to differentiate between them - and if you can't hear the difference, then you won't be able to sound out the difference either. It's a problem with how the human brain works, not a personal failure, and it isn't something to feel bad about. When in doubt, remember that native English speakers (well, Americans at least) have the exact same problem when trying to learn Russian since Ш and Щ both sound like 'sh'.
Unfortunately, because people are immature, it does result in a lot of native English speakers coaxing Japanese people into trying to say the word 'election' for their own amusement. >__
共有してくれてありがとう。私は流暢に英語を知っていますが、日本語を勉強していますimこれは見てよかったです。
ﾊﾞｲﾘﾝｶﾞｰﾙﾁｶさんの所からここに飛んできました。正直、英語を話す日本人ではない人たちと友達になっても、勉強していることが生かせない（まず、話題がなく、言い方が分からないので黙ってしまいおいてけぼりになる）ため、４９才から始めて１年経過しましたが、かなりの挫折感を味わっています。Grammar in use中級は英会話教室で教わっていますが、「俺って馬鹿じゃないの？もうやめたい」というのが正直なところです。Junさんが仰るとおり、視点を変えて、勉強にならないようにすすめてみます。ありがとうございました。
あ、italkiのlanguage exchange partnerの探し方が分かっていなかったのでとても参考になりました！
I love watching your videos. It keeps me motivated. I want to improve my Japanese a lot and often feel like I'm getting nowhere. I have always struggled with the speech side of things. I use the Japanese Crosswords book and find I know more and more words each time I try it but I still struggle with some particles.
I really feel for you all with learning English. Pronunciation is hard and confusing whilst Japanese phonetics doesn't change. You all do a great job.
Thank you for introducing italki before. I have been using it and has been really encouraging.
Thanks Jun, I feel like this video will be really helpful for anyone trying to learn a language. It can be overwhelming trying to learn a new language, it's hard trying to figure out where to start.
I am a language partner on Hello Talk and I always point friends that I meet that are from Japan to iTalki and to your channel to help with some bumps they may face on the road to learning English. This video will be an amazing tool for them, thank you very much!
I like that you pointed out that with your first language partner you guys just talked about anime. A lot of people who want to learn Japanese are inspired by watching anime. Watching shows or movies in English (with Japanese subtitles or not) is very important because you start to instinctively learn words, grammar, and pronunciation. That's why I started watching Japanese dramas- the dramas were much more accurate to everyday speech than anime.
Also one of the big difficulties for people who have Japanese as their first language in learning other languages is that there is only one consonant in Japanese: ん. Because that's not the case for pretty much every other language, it makes it difficult. Just keep at it! Most people won't mind and those that do are just rude!
This is good motivation for Japanese learners too!! I'm always really impressed by those who persevere to try and learn English because I know how hard it is to learn and how different it is from Japanese. Because I'm studying Japanese, I find it easier to understand Japanese speakers when they're pronouncing English, there are so many extra sounds! Japanese only has a few sounds that are different, and I even manage to mess those up sometimes, so I'll keep trying too!
Junさんが、最近読んだ本と同じ事を言っていたので驚きました。「がんばらない」「勉強しない」という事です。私も、「イヤになって止めてしまう」事に一番気をつけています。『勉強』をしていてやる気が無くなりそうな時は、例えば、TH-camの動画の英語のコメントを読んだり、英語で書いたり・・・それだけでも十分に『英語に触れている事』になりますよね。とにかく『英語に関わり続ける、そして使う』・・・それを大事にしていくつもりです。今回もありがとうございました。
僕もHELLOTALKを使ってオンラインパートナーと今現在英語で会話してます。
本当に役に立つものなんですね。
今までは学校や予備校のみで努力してきましたが、本場はやはり予想とは大きく異なってました。
As someone who has been trying to learn Japanese on and off for 10 years, hearing you talk about how forcing yourself to study can make you not want to study was really eye opening for me. Lately I keep telling myself that I need to study, but can't find the motivation to do so, so I really want to thank you for bringing this up! When I was younger it wasn't easy to find a Japanese language partner, but recently I started using HelloTalk like Rachel recommended. Its a bit scary, but i've learned a lot, and there are words and grammar that I have to look up, but through that process I've been learning a lot of things without studying, so thank you Jun and Rachel for sharing all of this information for us! どもありがとうございます！
Thank you for these videos Jun. I am currently learning Russian and it's really difficult for me. In January I am taking Japanese 1 in school and your advice (even though it's geared to those who want to learn English) is definitely beneficial and useful to me as well. Thank you. :)
I think the reason behind why pronouncing English is hard and foreigners can easily pronounce Japanese is because in Japanese, almost all of your characters (ex. Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana) have a set pronunciation. "O" would almost always be pronounced "ó". Whereas in English, our vowels and some consonants have multiple pronunciations. There are words that don't fit into certain rules, and there are plenty of words where the same letter/letters (mostly vowels) can appear multiple times and each has a different pronunciation. "A rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough; after falling into a slough, he coughed and hiccoughed."
JeweledMinecraft English has a lot more vowels and consonants, compared to Japanese. Indeed, Japanese has relatively few sounds, thus making it a fairly easy language to learn to pronounce
...but trying to learn to hear or speak sounds that you haven't learned as a child, is very hard, meaning that Japanese people have great difficulties in learning to pronounce any language they learn, as they are inevitably full of several sounds, that they are unused to.
It's one of the three main reasons, as to why Japanese people are so bad at English (or, indeed, any non-Japanese language).
最初のほうすごい良いこと言いますね。僕も無理に英語を勉強している人は時間を無駄にしているだけだと思います。やりたいことをした方がいいですよね。僕もこのようなやり方で日本語を勉強したので勧めます！＾＿＾
素晴らしいビデオです！！みんなに見て欲しい！！
Everyday English コメントありがとうございます。お二人の動画、次回も楽しみにしています。^^
ありがとうございます！！！僕達もじゅんさん達の新しいビデオを楽しみにしています！＾＿＾
My biggest worry when I think about using italki and other websites like that is...how much of the language should I know before looking for a language partner? If I know too little, I get worried that I won't be able to communicate enough and it might be a little awkward or not helpful...
I'm considering using italki to study french, but I'm still beginner level :/
ChizLemons If you don't use the words/phrases you already know, how are you suppose to get better? :)
ChizLemons As long as you are able to make simple sentence I think it will be fine ~ You can also find someone who's willing to make you improve or learn new things and you don't have the obligation to speak immediately French.
By the way, I'm French so if one day you are interested to exchange it would be great ^^
Shiroka Chan I'm learning French as well btw your language is very beautiful! ^_^
***** I personally think it might be hard for foreigner to learn it due to the many variations and specificity of the language. I'm still confused on some grammar rules that doesn't seem logiocal to me xD
ChizLemons I started using italki this year, even though I had been studying Japanese by myself for about 4 years. I was nervous about the same things. Honestly, just browse the teachers and watch their introduction videos, write down the teachers you like and then pick one. A lot of the teachers are really good at English and are extremely patient and kind, so they will help you even if you get flustered. When I had my first session on Skype, I nearly had a heart attack I was so nervous, but I made a list of help phrases (like "Can you repeat that?" "Can you write that down?" "I don't really understand...") and I ended up memorizing that list quickly and it lowered my anxiety.
Junさん、今回のお話もとても具体的でわかりやすかったです。ありがとうございました。今後も楽しみにしています♪
I think what's import when it comes to learning a new language - Is immersion. You learn your mother tongue fast because you are surrounded by it to the point you can think logically in that language. You have to replicate that by surrounding yourself with that language (English).
I know not everyone can just grab an English speaker to help him/her, but English material (reading materials, movies/TV, radio, etc) can help greatly. Some of the old BBC shows, like "Mind your language" (about a group of foreigners trying to learn English) can actually help as it highlights the errors many people make when they speak English. Yes, it plays upon national stereotypes, but it really highlights some of the common mistakes makes by people doing "mental translation" (directly translating their language into English).
おお、日本語を話す時に日本人が私達を褒める理由はそんな説明を初めて聞いた。その説明方法ではっきり理解していただきました。まあ、それにしても主にはただの礼儀でしょうね。
This video is so educational and so filled with motivational ideas!
Thank you very much Jun!
I have never thought that Japanese speakers were "bad" at English, just that they find certain sounds difficult to pronounce. R, L, V in particular and not saying the Japanese vowel after uttering the consonant. Not to mention English has an entirely different rhythm. Frankly, I think anyone who can understand the language even if they always have trouble with those sounds has accomplished something incredible!
thanks jun for explaining!! I have too always wondered why japanese people are so amazed when we speak such simple japanese phrases / sentences...
This is very informal and organized . Thank you. And it applies to every language i think. To learn a language you also have to use it and speak it constantly or else you forget so you i have to like it. That's very important.
Last year i went throught the Cambridge B2 for English test. What i did was viewing and listening to Rachel because my pronunciation is not good enough. Gladly, i pass the test. So, thanks Rachel! Yeah, this sounds weird.
That's a very interesting video, because it made me think. I'm not japanese, nor do I live in Asia, but, as a brazilian person, I've always found myself very passionate towards other languages. People often tell me I'm crazy because I'm 15 and go just fine with English and learn Korean, but what I always noticed is that all of my classmates who go to a English school do so because they're obligated. No good comes from something you don't like\hate. Everything will turn out just fine, just like some people are more slow paced Math learners, some people are just slow paced language learners. That doesn't means you can't do it! Love and keep up the good work! :)
That was surprisingly motivational, thanks Jun
I am from Germany and I think my english skills are quite good... I have to say that I agree with everything you said in your video. It is so true that if you want to lern a new language then you need a certain amount of knowledge regarding the vocabulary and grammer in order to be able to communicate AND of course pronounciation so that people can understand what you are trying to say!!! FACT! It is such a pity that japanese people only focus on *learning* instead of speaking Englisch(/ Spanish or whatever...), for what the language was actually made for. I myself learned English at school and had never any big problems with it (I had always the best grades in the exams...) Our lessons were also based more on learning the grammer and vocabs (I don't say it was wrong because I actually think it wasn't because before you start speaking the language you really need to know the basics -> which means learning grammer and vocabs first) and since I was young I never thought about speaking the language untill we started the oral exams (we had to prepare a presentation about a certain topic by ourselfes every year) Since we had to present our presentaions orally it kinda helped me to overcome some inhibitions and that's not all: at the same time I "surrounded" myself with english like watching american series or animes with english subtitles XD (I didn't even do that because I wanted to improve my english but because I just wanted to do so. At first I didn't even realized how much I actually improved my english ^^
I'm a native English speaker learning Japanese, and I find your videos very helpful.
In my search for language partners I've noticed that many Japanese language students can text or write very well in English, but their pronunciation is clueless. We will exchange E-mails and then exchange voice chat and their English skill will drop a lot.
I have also had the experience of people telling me my basic conversation skills are mind blowing to them, when in fact I think English is just a very sensitive language to learn.
Hi Jun (and Rachel!) I'm a new subscriber and I love you guys and Leo! Thanks for introducing me to italki, Jun! I love English Grammar and I'm hoping to learn Japanese more since I HATED sitting in class and cramming so much information.
It's not just difficult for japanese people to pronounce English, most Asian also suffer from it too. Some of my friends are Malay, Indian and Chinese, but they still suffer in English, they can understand others but they don't speak so fluently using English. In my country, English is like the second language after Malay to communicate in Malaysia. But many of us can speak and understand basic English, though it's not fluent. Good luck learning English!
I am studying Japanese, but watching your videos are helping me to study better. : )
私は嫌々勉強していました。(＞_＜)
この動画を見て甘やかしていいんだ
ってなった。考え方が変わった。
Great tips! As an English teacher, I totally agree with your three important points on learning English. Also, if you are studying, it is easier to learn by practicing using a medium that you feel comfortable talking about- just like your example with anime- and whether it be sports, TV shows, music, or any sort of hobby, you will find practical AND fun ways of communicating to people using the vocabulary surrounding your favorite things. I hope that helps and good luck to anyone wishing to learn and study English. :)
(PS- I did exactly the same as you, Jun, when learning (spoken) Japanese. Talking about anime to a partner really made the conversation take off and it was easy to use the medium (TV shows) to absorb common phrases and words just by listening closely. Ganbatte ne!)
I enjoy videos like this. I am from a non-English speaking country myself and NOT knowing any English here is considered plain insane. It's just like... not having eyes. People who don't know English but know some other foreign language (Russian, German, French, etc...) are EXTREMELY rare, but I've never met someone who doesn't know any foreign language at all. Our education system is also... uh, lacking, but all of us mostly learn through immersion. We watch so many English movies/tv shows, play games in English (dubbing in my language is non-existent) and read stuff on the English internet so that we naturally learn it and use it every day. I often even think in English out of habit.
I fully understand why Japanese people would have so much trouble learning English. If I were Japanese, I would probably have massive problems myself. Every time I was in Japan I noticed that there is basically no contact with English media - everything is dubbed into Japanese, TV airs mostly Japanese shows, etc, etc. I think it's easier when you can actually listen to the language and how people talk, because there is no way to actively communicate using the dry "This is a pen" example sentences that textbooks like so much.
In Finland we pronounce: a, i, u, e, o the same way as in japan so it's not so difficult. It is usually r what is difficult to pronounce.
When I was staying in NZ during my high school days. I often watch Cartoon Chanel. Because of anxiety not having enough speaking skills in English, I was spending a time in front of TV at home. Then I found Dragonball and Pokemon on TV! If you are tired of learning grammar, try Cartoons of TV drama in English with no subtitles. I believe it's a nice practice of listening and learning idioms. Because you understand the stories of Anime or Drama so you don't need English Subtitles and easy to guess or understand what they(Characters) are talking! As Jun says, output is of course important. However this practice is also useful for someone who do not have partner yet and It worked for me.
将来良いことがあると思うと人は幸せを感じるという調査結果があります。多くの日本人が受験後も英語の勉強を続けるのは、英語を自由に使いこなす将来の自分を想像することで幸せを感じられるからかもしれません。
おっしゃるとおり、目的が明確な人は習得が速いです。大学受験のためだけに勉強する人はテストで出ることだけをやればいいですし、昇進に必要なTOEICのスコアをとるためだけに勉強する人はそれに必要なことだけをやればいい。
しかし英語に夢を託す人はそうはいきません。目的を明確にするということは、他の目的を選択肢から外すということでもあるからです。英語が自らの可能性を広げてくれると思っている人は、テストに出ないからやらない、などといった、自分の可能性を狭めることには抵抗があるでしょう。
実際に英語が使いこなせるようになった人に話をきくと、ほとんどの人は英語ができるようなったからといって、それで人生がガラッと変わるわけではないと言います。英語そのものが人生を変えるのではなく、海外に移住したり、転職したり、今までつきあったことがなかったような人たちとコミュニケーションをとるようになるなど、行動や環境の変化が人の生き方を変える。英語はそのきっかけにすぎず、いくら英語のスコアがあがっても、それだけでなにかが起こるわけではない、と。
問題は、ご指摘のとおり、明るい未来には英語が必要不可欠だとする社会の空気なんだと思います。数学とかプログラミングでもいいし、スポーツや芸術、もちろんお金のことなど、自分の未来に刺激を与えてくれるものは他にもたくさんあります。
もちろん私自身、もっと英語ができればと思うことはしょっちゅうあります。しかし、第二言語の習得には時間がかかります。その時間を語学に当てるということは、同時に、他のなにかをしないと決めるということでもあります。はたして語学がそれに見合うのかどうか。
まあ、それでも私はやるのですが ^ ^
Desejam Sobremesa? ご視聴ありがとうございます。^^ 夢というのは最終的なゴールに近いイメージですが、目的・目標はそこにいくまでのチェックポイントやノルマといったイメージでしょうか。言語習得には時間がかかるので、現実的な小さい目標でもコツコツ積み上げていくことで、挫折しにくくして欲しいという意味での「目的が何も無い人は先ず目的を持とう」でした。取捨選択は、確かに大事ですねよ。特に学生でない場合はとにかく時間が中々割けないですからね。笑 >> 「まあ、それでも私はやるのですが ^ ^」Good luckです！
This advice is really useful for me right now... I'm taking intensive Japanese courses right now and occassionally am discouraged because some parts are so hard! I'll try harder to "output" more instead of just absorbing things in 😊
I agree too that you need a good motivation and that you must not force your-self to learn a new language. My native language is french, i'm Canadian and we learn just the english basics at school but to become really fluent and bilingual, i learned by my-self by watching TV and movies in english, listening english music and playing online video games because it was fun. Now i'm totally fluent in english. I started to learn some japanese languages by watching anime and listening j-pop and j-rock music, i know around 150 japanese words and i can create some sentences. I started to learn some korean words too since i started to listen k-pop music and watch my favourite k-pop artists on tv there. My advice to others who want to learn a new language is that the way of learning must be fun for you, so for me it was to be able to watch more TV, movies, anime, listen more music and read more comics, manga, novels and having fun. I hope that sharing my story will encourage and inspire others.
I'm English and I personally think that it doesn't matter what the pronunciation of a word is like English people appreciate that people try their best
I definitely agree with having a purpose being very important. I've taken about two years worth of Spanish classes, but other than it being required I had no purpose to learn the language. I was never interested so I didn't pick it up fast and I don't remember much of any of it. With Japanese I have a purpose and goal for learning, so it's been much more fun, along with me being more successful in learning it despite it being a harder language for native English speakers. Helpful video for anybody learning any languages!
Studio Ghibli's movies are shown in Norway some times, and they changed Sosuke into Sondre. It's done because it makes it easier to remember the names when you have heard them before.
It's probably easier for a Japanese man to remember a name like "Toyotomi Hideyoshi" than "Harald Hårfagre", and probably easier to pronounce too. (Harald Hårfagre wanted to date a girl, but she refused stating that she wouldn't date him if he was the king of all Norway. He went home, got drunk, and though "That's actually a great idea! Why didn't I think of that?" and thus, the country became unified. To impress a girl.)
A Jun video! You're pretty good at making them when you get the the chance you should make more (especially cooking.)
Love you guys
I think my English only got better when I stopped depending on school materials and tried to learn on my own, In school much more of a stressful experience because you're forced to learn specific things and you're asked to just memorize them I had classmates who did perfect in tests but they literally couldn't say anything in English since tests here focus on written English strict grammatical rules that you don't even use when speaking and if you can't do it and get high grades you just lose your motivation and things get worse so school does only help at the very beginner levels but won't help you speak so I understand your aoten xD I think it's a good way to start reading or listening to people speak about something you already know about maybe something that relates to your culture or something you like even if it doesn't relate to the language you're trying to learn just like you did when you liked talking to your friend about Anime and manga.. also listening is really Important if not to make your listening skills get better it helps you learn the way people speak from the beginner stages of learning you won't have problems with pronunciation or at least you will know what to work on in order to improve your English I think you need to work on all the 3 aspects you mentioned.. Thanks for the great video ^^
2:25 福士蒼汰の声
Thank you for an informative video
私は現在オランダに住んでいます。英語とオランダ語を勉強しているのですが、Racheｌさんのご紹介の動画を観てitaIkiを登録しました。そしてオランダ語を話せるオランダ人の方とも出会うこともできとても感謝しています！
今回の動画もとてもわかりやすくとても学びになりました。動画のタイトルも共感です！
オランダ語があまり話せない私にとって現在日常会話は英語を使用しているのでこれからの動画も楽しみにしています！
In India We have so many different languages. We have 29 states and each state has its own language. So, English was made mandatory in all urban schools so that it would be easier to converse with people from other states. We were taught English from our pre - school as our first language while Hindi(our national language ) was our second language.We even had the choice to choose our second language which would depend on the state in which you are living which means that you can choose either Hindi or the language of that particular state. All the text books for the other subjects would also be English. So learning English in India is important for a good job.
learning a language is really just about immersing yourself in it. my first language is chinese, i never learned it formally, and i have crap vocabulary as a result, but since i grew up with it i'm basically native level. same with english. i moved to an english-speaking country and picked it up in a year. i tried to learn german, but it didn't really work out since i didn't immerse myself in the language. now i'm learning japanese - the only reason i can understand japanese is because i watch japanese shows all the time.
so i really think studying and vocab and whatever are way less important than just immersing yourself in the language.
helen raspberrih finally someone who had a background in chinese! I've always wondered if it's easier to learn japanese(kanji) if you already know chinese characters. is it?
日本人の英語学習者向けの動画また再開してほしい！忙しいかもですけど！
Why is Jun,s voice so relaxing lol
Thanks for the video! I loved the tip on benkyou !
I'm learning Japanese, and a lot of this is the same. I do study with books and other tools so I'm learning grammar rules, vocabulary, and Kanji also, but when I get bored of that I usually switch to watching anime or a Japanese movie, or listening to J-Rock so I'm still listening to the language in a fun way.
I get practice reading Japanese on various websites, and I have a few Japanese friends on Facebook who I'll occasionally exchange comments with. Unfortunately, I hardly ever get to use spoken Japanese though. :(
However, thank you for the insight! 2 businessmen came into my job a few months ago (I work at a restaurant), and after listening to them speak to each other I realized they were speaking Japanese, so I used a basic greeting and tried speaking to them a little, and was immediately greeted with, "Sugoi!" by both men. I think I just caught them off guard by being a white person greeting them in Japanese in America, but I wondered why they reacted that way. :)
じゅんさんは日本語で喋る時にもっと元気のようがあると思う。
もっと日本語で動画を作ってください！
Jun has great speaking skills! I loved the video. Reminded me of older ones you uploaded :)
I have been educated English my whole life. Even though I am not much of a textbook person when it comes to English. I don't have any English textbook, not even a pocket dictionary, and it just flows naturally. So, I'm gonna talk about my experience in learning Japanese.
I have a lot of Japanese textbooks and self-made Japanese lesson notes. I don't really use them anymore to learn Japanese. My japanese used to be very textbook-ish and Japanese people told me that my Japanese was either too formal, or even really weird at times. It turns out that conversational Japanese is very different from the textbook Japanese. I learned it the hard way that I had to adjust to the way they speak even though I would question so many altered words, sometimes dialects, and particles vanishing from sentences.
Now that I'm not using textbook anymore ( but don't get me wrong, I learned basic Japanese structure by using a lot of references and textbooks), I feel much more comfortable and confident speaking in Japanese.
I think it's interesting that for Japanese people learning English, the hardest thing is speaking. When English-speaking people learn Japanese, reading seems to be the most difficult and time-consuming part for most people. Or maybe I just think so because I can speak at a beginner to intermediate level and am almost completely illiterate.
***** It is defiantly harder to learn written Japanese than it is written English. While English has it's weird spelling, Japanese has over 2000 Kanji most of which have two different pronunciations.
Great video it's good just to listen to for us learning Japanese. I have the same issue as Jun opening a book and learning doesn't work for me . I also did language exchange but it's been up and down because I really want to learn Japanese but most Japanese people I meet don't really need to learn English it's just something they are doing. Thanks for the video Jun.
I have to say your videos are very interesting to watch, Jun. Even for foreigners this is quite an interesting talk. Keep it up!
best way to aid your academic learning is to pick up bits and pieces of the language from watching movies, tv shows, variety shows, books, etc., because 1) it's fun and thus more memorable and 2) you subconsciously internalise the nuances of the language that makes forcing yourself to consciously study the language easier.
when i was first learning japanese, like taking actual lessons instead of thinking i understand things from like, anime or something, i was.... a stuttering mess. could barely read it, let alone speak it. until i started reading manga. granted it was pretty excruciating at first, because i had to keep searching definitions and even then i had to apply it to the context of the story, and a lot of slang is used that i didn't understand, but that's exactly why it's useful. you train your reading ability, your vocab, and fluency. i can read manga pretty swiftly now (and understand about 90% of it, and contextualise the other 10% and i'll still get the gist of the story) because i read so much back then lol.
In French, Satoshi/Ash's name is Sacha.
I think one factor Japan lacks is the necessity to learn English. I'm from Finland and have never been very good at studying and never paid any effort to my English classes, but because practically everything foreign on TV is subtitled, majority of internet is in English (Finnish part of the internet is far too insufficient, unlike the Japanese one, if that makes sense), and all the video games I wanted to play as a kid were in English, I just had to absorb and learn the language. That necessity is a good source of motivation even if you are not particularly interested in languages or do not have any special reason for wanting to learn it.
That said, now I major in English in my home university and currently study abroad (in Japan), but that interest towards languages only came after learning my first foreign language relatively well.
Oh yeah, and from a random foreigners point of view, even though I still struggle with Japanese, I do not really mind that most Japanese can not speak English with me. That is an amazing source of motivation for me to learn Japanese.