If he doesn’t want to be in the movie THIS much after all these years, do people really expect a good performance out of him? Or anything that’ll come anywhere close to the original magic?
Bill is just that hard to get to play a role even if he is interested, and he has always done good performances regardless of how hard it was to get him to play the role. At this point, though, I think we can only expect a cameo from him on the new Ghostbusters.
@@DiamondPugs It's difficult with him, so we'll just wait until a trailer and the full film itself releases in the summer. Right now it's just pure speculation with Bill Murray in GB3 (2020).
I think we should all be thankful Murray didn't say yes to Ghostbusters 3 after everyone hated the second. I actually like the second one more, ironically because I hate Murray's character in those movies, but he saved us from seeing Ghostbusters 5 and everyone hating everything since the first one (look at all the Alien and Terminator sequels that people hate but they won't stop making more). There are tons of cartoons and supplemental material from Ghostbusters, the movies should just be left alone.
Without Harold Ramis the original magic is impossible, he was at least as important to the way the first movie worked as was Murray (or even Aykroyd for that matter).
Bill Murray is at the point in his career where he does the films that interest him, and clearly Ghostbusters doesn't. And who can blame him, sequels rarely surpass the original.
@bigevilworldwide1 He wasn't the only one responsible for the Coulier debacle, and that change wasn't the only way the show went downhill. The Changes to Janine in looks, personality and voice actress (from Laura Summer to the talented but unfitting Kath Soucie) were just as bad. And in the case of Venkman it wasn't the only problem of course, like Janine the change in in the series overall qulity writing as well as characterisation of the main cast was just as bad a decision, not directly connected to Murray.
Sequels are rarely good these days, Murrays thoughts on Ghostbusters 2 exactly match mine, some good bits, the Scoleri Brothers scene for example, and the arrival of the titanic, but overall the story holding those scenes together was rather weak, and made for an unsatisfying film overall ! Not to mention they committed the cardinal sin of sequels and reset all the character arcs for the characters, making them all poor at the beginning of the film, after being shafted by the mayor, takes the shine off the ending of the first film ! Lazy writing imo !
Bill Murray: WIth these girls particularly it would be great, Kristen, and Melissa, and... (What's the name of the other ones?) ...I think I, I think, I think they got a murderous road there.
@@DiamondPugs Sony : "Sign now, or we'll be sending an _assistant_ for you." Murray : "I've already forgot the names of your stars, might as well send one anyways."
Shawn Convery Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that he played a truly amazing character. The sequel didn’t exactly ruin his character, he just didn’t get many good lines or moments. I could see Ghostbusters without Bill Murray, but I’d like to see him in it anyway. Sadly, Egon not being there hurts the most, though. It was his writing that made the first film, as Akroyd was more interested in the fanciful parts.
It was Bill Murrays brother Brian Doyle Murray told him to make amends with Harold Ramis before it's to late. Credit to Bill Murray he made amends and peace with Harold Ramis before his death
Honestly, I'm over it if Bill is in it or not. He's at least part of the reason why GB3 never got made and eventually led to the god-awful 2016 movie (which he was in). I like the dude and want him to be in the movie...but I won't lose sleep if he is not.
i think he's a guy with "Issues". Some of which may stem from his start with SNL where he was ribbed a lot by Belushi with the crew laughing on and was possibly jealous of the raw talent Belushi (and attention) that John had, which is why John's skits are absolute classics. i would say that it is possible Bill is "On the spectrum" and doesn't process emotions and thoughts like a Normie. (i know all too well about that). Or he's jus got ego problems or maybe a bit psychopathic. Ya can't say he didn't know what kind of response the award acceptance in the Ghostbusters suit would have! His constant and well documented difficulties on and off set belie that there is SOMETHING up with him. Anyway, check out this skit from SNL and how Bill is responding to the skit which is lead by Belushi and Bill is being made the butt of the family joke. The friction is seen in Bills delivery and face at the very end. th-cam.com/video/puJePACBoIo/w-d-xo.html
But if Murray had been on board to make more Ghostbusters sequels with the original cast we would not have had the absolutely stellar unforgettable masterpiece that was Ghostbusters (2016).
@@jamescarter3196 Sorry to burst your idiotic bubble! but he's never played the hollywood game, that most if not all play (Except Keaanu Reeves !) sure he's a star, sure he maybe difficult ,but he's been screwed so many times by the "HOLLYWOOD MACHINE" why do you think he doesn't even have all the trappings a star has? .no Entourage or publicists, lawyers ,heck he doesn't even have an agent! ,there's an 800 number that you can leave a message, and if he wants to do the role, he'll contact you , but even then he'll sometimes wait, but he's doesn't do the parties or any of the twisted things stars seem to find themselves doing...no he lives with his wife and has had children ,but has kept to himself which is admirable more so that a lot of what represents to so-called stars today! Also sorry if you think he sucks, but his output of movies, is far better than movies being made today! ....with the virtue signaling, and forced diversity, it's crap! and he knows it, the only reason he was in that crapfest known as Ghostbusters 2016, was he was threatened with legal action by the damn studio! that's the Hollywood machine!!! And for his I'm the star he's no different than any one of them on set ,but I'll take 100 Bill Murray's over what's being presented today!!
Isn't this the same guy that just randomly shows up to peoples weddings and parties. And I am not talking about celebrity ones (though he does that to) I mean if he is walking down the road or is somewhere and sees one nearby he will just walk in.
@@Duke00x I heard a similar story once (not sure its true or urban legend) Murray walked right up to someone who was eating a bag of chips or some kind of snack and he, without asking, took one, ate it in front of the guy and then said to him "No one will believe you if you tell them". He then just walked away. If it's true that really funny.
@@Duke00x He stole a couple of fries from a friend of mine once, whispered "No one will ever believe you." and walked out of the restaurant. This was a few years before anyone would defiantly have believed him as Bill Murray has became notorious for doing just that kind of thing.
@@disruptive_innovator : Yet Mark's comment still holds true. Murray has done some great work, but he's so inactive because of how fussy he is. I don't know if he's nice or not, but at this point it's known that he's not reasonable.
It was SOOO annoying. The whole idea of a reboot that wrote out the original series was epically stupid. The new all female team could have worked well, if it just had the nerve to be an actual sequel. Ghostbusters was a private business. No reason the passing of the torch couldn't have been a buy out or inheritance. Yet this legitimate criticism was drowned out by the sexist fucktard criticism that ewww, girls. That in tern allowed the team behind this bad movie to claim the only criticism was because of sexism.
Bill Murray has just been a *_double edged sword_* for the Ghostbusters franchise. He's amazing when he brings his A-game, but is a tremendous prick which takes a lot of effort just to please him. I know this is way past 30+ years, and with Harold Ramis (RIP) gone, but they could've picked another actor to play Peter Venkman in 1984, and one such could've been Jim Belushi (younger brother of original choice John Belushi). Jim Belushi may not be as versatile as Bill Murray, but he's showcased the decent ability over the years in delivering dry and sarcastic humor. Jim Belushi could've brought long term commitment, stability and professionalism to the Ghostbusters, unlike Murray.
I've heard Jim is also quite difficult to work with and has a bad temper. Its supposedly one of the reasons he stopped getting work by the end of the 80s. Same deal with Chevy Chase and Mike Meyers. The moment they weren't pulling in cash Hollywood was done with dealing with them.
@@mresturk9336 Hollywood would sign on to a new Austin Powers in a minute. Fact is, Murray is right that Ghostbusters 2 was a disappointment. The bad reviews and fast box office decline in 1989 backed that up. However, Murray does have a bad reputation for getting into personal squabbles with actors and directors on set. And this beef with Ramis certainly seems to have been the real, mostly unreported roadblock to getting GB3 made before Ramis' death.
Honestly for me, if Bill Murray really doesn't want to do it then I'm not going to act like well too bad he HAS to lol Why should I care if he doesn't? Shit, even in the Ghostbusters game on PS3/4, you can very clearly tell Bill doesn't give a hot damn about it. I got 1 great classic film, thanks Bill.
yeah its pretty insane seeing people insult him probably because they want him to be in the film and he doesnt want to, so they take it as a personal slight/insult, considering what happened to GB2 and the fact sony threatened him into GB2016, I am totally not surprised he has zero interest in anything further, sony is like some violent husband beating his wife, "no no, come on murray, this time it will be different", only in this instance murray does not come crawling back and moves on with his life.
if i were him I would also be just as happy to be satisfied with the first movie being pretty much awesome, why do as many others do and try to bring back something and probably ruin it all, as murray said, they did not get the ghostbusters 2 they wanted, so why would that be any different now? also sony basically threatening him for the 2016 fiasco should have been the final nail in the coffin for wanting to contribute further. Would I like to see him in a 3rd? yeah probably, but with the way all modern remakes/retakes are going, its better left alone, just watch the first again if we miss ghostbusters, at least you get something good.
Going by what was said in this video he had the same attitude in the 80's and 90's...so todays scene has nothing to do with it. He is just hard work by the sound of things
jgfjgfify It's _his_ decision if he wants to do a sequel. *Stop being an entitled fan. He doesn't answer to you or to anyone else.* If he decides to do a sequel then great. If not then _show some respect for his decision._
thank you! I've always been of this mindset. There are people with the entitlement that feel like he owes it to people or the fans. He's not obligated to do anything!
Why even bother with that comment? 'And he can say what he wants, and I can say what I want, and people can do what they want' yeah, brilliant. Thank god for somebody lazily saying 'it could go either way and I don't care'.
Wait, so Ghostbusters 2 isn't actually liked by fans? Because I love it much more than the first. Direction, story, camera are so much better and dialogues stayed at the same awesome level. GB2 > GB1
I also don't understand the hate for GB2. It's not as good as the first one, but it's a perfectly serviceable sequel. I absolutely love the courtroom scene (it's a shame Winston wasn't in it)
I'd say at the time it was disappointing. Why? Audiences don't like sequels that make the heroes fail after the triumph of the previous story. GB2, Rocky 5, Last Jedi all examples of this. I was 5 when the original came out. My generation had a very well written and successful animated series Real Ghostbusters in the gap between the two films. GB2 contradicted that and made it hard for a kid to enjoy completely.
I think the main complaint about the 2nd is that it didn't really attempt anything new or original, it was more of the same, only not executed as well. It's fine, especially for a sequel, but I don't feel like it did anything better than the original, including the special effects.
Too many story elements directly lifted from the first movie. The style was aimed at a younger audience than the first (not a bad thing per se, but fans of the original had grown five years older not five years younger). Winston Zeddemore was drastically sidelined. The "romance" between Janine and Louis felt contrived and out of character. Still enjoyed it. Just nowhere near as good as the first movie.
I think GB2 didn't do so well because it was the case of been here and seen it. Jokes about slime, jokes about having a nuke generator strapped to your back. I still prefer the first over the second . I am of the opinion though ; if the 3rd film doesn't have all the original cast in it , then it's not going to be a true sequel.Which unfortunately can't happen now ! Still , I will watch it just to see what they did. Old times sake ! Who you gunna call ?Ghostbusters !
He has enough money to do whatever he wants, so at this point in his life it's probably just a matter of what he wants to spend his time doing and what he doesn't.
A sort of correction to the videogame event: Murray was paid for a couple of days and appeared to voice his character for exactly the amount of time he was paid for. He finished about half of his character's dialogue script during that time, but the developers didn't have enough money to pay him for more days/hours. During his time voicing the character, he worked very well on it and would even do retakes to get better on certain lines/dialogue. But they didn't have enough (paid) time to finish his character's scripted dialogue, so they had to work with what they had, which is why Venkman seems really not there in some scenes, repeating parts of previously spoken (re-arranged) dialogue and seeming off/weird. Developers said he was professional and a gentleman but only stuck around for as long as he was paid to (which is fair). Murray later stated that he wished he took the game more seriously (perhaps meaning to finish his dialogue-script) because he didn't expect it to be the quality product that it turned out to be.
Enough with the sequels and remakes already! While I loved the 1984 Ghostbusters, I never saw Ghostbusters II, nor do I have any interest in ever seeing the Paul Feig dumpster fire of 2016. Bill Murray is an incredibly talented comedian, and I can understand why he doesn’t like doing sequels. In the commentary track for Meatballs, which was Bill Murray’s first feature movie, director Ivan Reitman and other members of the cast said they weren’t sure if he was going to show up for filming until he did at the very last minute. In doing what he does, Bill Murray gets to pick and choose what he wants to do as far as movies go. If he doesn’t want to do a movie, that’s his choice and we should respect him for that.
Ghostbusters II is a perfectly fine sequel. Murray is just a cry baby. The production team had to fabricate lighter proton packs for the movie because Murray whined so much about them being heavy in the first film.
Honestly Ghostbusters 3 shouldn't even be a thing. Too much time has passed, the window closed when Harold Ramis died. It's most likely going to be another one of those nostalgia bait sequels that completely miss the tone of the original and just retroactively ruin the originals. Time for some original ideas, Hollywood.
thats pretty much the sequence all similar reboots/retakes/etc take these days, if an actor needs the cash then fair play, its a job, go do it, but if moneys no issue then why further ruin something thats already pretty trainwrecked.
I gave up on Murray coming back YEARS ago. He's the one who has mostly held back the movie being made. At this point, I don't care if he's in it or not. He isn't a huge loss after all this time and he seems to be fine doing whatever it is he does.
Bill's attitude reminds me of that one Moe Szyslak scene in The Simpsons where he's complaining to a repo man for repossessing his bar's floor. The repo man sharply advises him that this wouldn't happen if he'd just pay his bill, to which Moe replies, "but I don't want to!" Before walking out. It's not that Moe couldn't afford it, he simply didn't want to pay it, even if it meant the loss of his business' floor. It's like extreme anti-conformism. I imagine that happening with Bill. Bill complained to his Agent for too many calls, his Agent simply told him that this how this whole actor/representative business works and Bill replied, "yeah, but I don't like it." Hung up and dropped his Agent immediately after.
Plain and simple, this guy has Depression. He has a really big support system, though. His friends haven't given up on him, and still want him to be the best version of himself they all know he's capable of. Lucky guy.
I agree with you mate, he just needs to turn that frown upside down, and get back in the game. Be the best he can be. Move the needle on his mental speedometer, and buy in to positive thinking. He needs to come up with an 'action plan' and run it up the flagpole to get the support of all his safety circle of supportive friends. He needs to 'buy in' to life and raise the stakes of his mental fortitude. Maybe create an 'action plan' and diary, and take it one step at a time. Self actualisation is a journey with many steps...and the first is a hardest one..... 'BLURGH!!!' platitudes are like sticky shit on a strangers shoe as they walk over your outstretched hands on the pavement.....
Since I was a child I've always got the impression that Bill Murray never had any interest in the films he did. He never seemed invested in his roles. He always seemed very nonchalant and like he just wanted the movie to be finished so he could get back to fishing or anything other than where he was at that moment.
I’d so love a movie called “Making of Ghosbusters 3” and it’s all about Dan Aykroyd trying to convince Bill to make Ghostbusters, like, imagine, Bill is on a golf course, relaxing, and then suddenly, Dan is driving a golf cart screaming “MURRAY!! MURRRAAYY!!!” and then crashes into a tree.
Hahaha ; now that is a movie I would watch ! Now see that is a bloody good idea. Dan trying to get all the old cast together to make the sequel. Be hilarious!!!
You can't blame him really. Yes we would all love to see another masterpiece like the original GhostBusters but come on that was the early 80's. It wouldn't be the same without BM just as it won't be the same without DA or HR.
They're filming Ghostbusters 3 in Calgary??? I had no idea. Hope Bill Murray is involved, even if it's only a cameo. This is the movie that has the most potential to extend the franchise, so it seems only right for him to be part of it. Great video, btw! Really informative.
@@CaptDingDong Whatever they make won't really be a "true Ghostbusters" movie anyway as Harold Ramis has since passed and therefore the original quartet will not be complete
Murray is the only one who still has any standards. How many old movies have been trotted out for remakes etc and just been embarrassingly bad? Murray actually has some standards left and isn't willing to just cash in on some old crappy shit that isn't up to his standard. He's actually refreshingly honest, in a world of fake bullshit.
Better to have a well chosen actor for the whole movie than Bill Murray for a couple scenes. I like Bill Murray and fully accept his choice to only do projects he's passionate about.
I read somewhere that he only agreed to appear in the first Ghostbusters movie if the studio would finance his own art project, something called The Razor's Edge, which didn't anything like as well in cinemas as Ghostbusters did (which he reportedly resents).
His reluctance to come back sometime back and how long that took Harold Ramis died past that point told me that it was either money related. Or that he did not hold it in high esteem compared to some of his other movies. And lastly the same effect as Bruce Willis hating fans associating him with John McClaine in Die Hard. From his SNL days rumor was even then he was not easy as a personality to get along with much like Chevy Chase. And when comedian and actors reach primadonna status in terms of their careers they can turn down whatever they want. They aren't subject to their lean hungry years of the past.
Rick Moranis was intentionally not in _anything_ for a decade or two. He was focussed on raising his kids after his wife died. He's barely even restarted his career, and he may well still decide to the grocery stocking & golf-course bad-boy career route.
Bill Murray seems like more trouble than he's worth. He makes things more complicated than it is. Either play the part and dedicate yourself to it or don't, it's that simple. He waited so long to the point that Harold Ramis is now dead. We could have had a sequel a while ago with ALL the actors together.
Hollywood is in such a sad state now that no one wants to deal with them. But movies like Ghostbusters need there roots. The people that made them great can maybe make a change.
Bill Murray was great in groundhogs day but I never considered him "The star of Ghostbusters". It's not going to be the same without Harold Ramis anyway. So sure. Invite Bill but if he doesn't respond in a reasonable time, Move on. I don't think he is critical now that Harold is out.
The A plot is centering around the new family who are clearly going to be Egon's wife and kids. He's probably part of the B or even C plot, where he turns up at the last minute after not being around for some ghost bases reason, which will lead to a small third act cameo.
For more on the mercurial Bill, read Nick de Semlyen’s “Wild and Crazy Guys”. Excellent book, well-written. Murray’s idiosyncratic approach to all of his career and the Ramis contretemps is covered in depth (amidst all the other comedy stars - Chase, Martin, Candy, Murphy, Belushi of the late 70’s / 80’s).
I love how people get sooo upset about the 2016 Ghostbusters film, I thought it was funny and I loved the original films. You had some very talented people involved
Um... anyone who didn't love Ghostbusters 2 is crazy. Bobby Brown, Vigo, Full cast return, Statue Of Liberty walking through NYC as all all peoples sing "Higher & Higher" soaked in pink slim... like whatever. That movie was amazing. Still holds up too.
In my opinion, Murray has every right to not want to do Ghostbusters 3. Aykroyd and hardcore fans have been on his ass about it for years. It overshadows all his great other work: St. Vincent, Hyde Park on Hudson, The Life Aquatic..., Broken Flowers, and many more. I would imagine that he just wants to be remembered as being more than Peter Venkman. He deserves to be. Of course, the creators of the new movie might be keeping his involvement under wraps to boost interest.
If Egon were still around they could get away with no Peter but with one team member already out they really need Peter to be there. I don't really care about Dana returning though.
Dana is fine, maybe even needed, after all I'm not sure a Murray, even a theoretical highly motivated and giving his best performance in decades murray, could make up for the loss of Ramis. The movie will need all the help it can get.
Smart man, if he doesn't want to do something best to leave him alone. He did some really good stuff back in the day. Hollywood is one screwed up place, I don't blame him for acting odd one bit.
I just think he doesnt want to do movies anymore. He seems like an odd little man, who does random stuff for random reasons. I honestly dont get why people fawn on him. Yeah Ghostbusters was funny, and Groundhog was good, but thats it.
Indeed. IMO The guy is allright in a few movies but i dont get this unconditional adoration for him either. Could be an american factor here, because of SNL. And him being seen as some loveable outsider instead of a prick, seeming as he does a decent movie every once in a while.
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If he doesn’t want to be in the movie THIS much after all these years, do people really expect a good performance out of him? Or anything that’ll come anywhere close to the original magic?
Bill is just that hard to get to play a role even if he is interested, and he has always done good performances regardless of how hard it was to get him to play the role. At this point, though, I think we can only expect a cameo from him on the new Ghostbusters.
@@DiamondPugs It's difficult with him, so we'll just wait until a trailer and the full film itself releases in the summer. Right now it's just pure speculation with Bill Murray in GB3 (2020).
I think we should all be thankful Murray didn't say yes to Ghostbusters 3 after everyone hated the second. I actually like the second one more, ironically because I hate Murray's character in those movies, but he saved us from seeing Ghostbusters 5 and everyone hating everything since the first one (look at all the Alien and Terminator sequels that people hate but they won't stop making more). There are tons of cartoons and supplemental material from Ghostbusters, the movies should just be left alone.
Without Harold Ramis the original magic is impossible, he was at least as important to the way the first movie worked as was Murray (or even Aykroyd for that matter).
@@Kaefer1973 Bill Murray did say Harold Ramis did some of the incredible parts, and Dan wrote the rest.
"We have a movie about..."
The Rock: "Yes"
Bill Murray: "Naw"
"We hav..."
Nicolas Cage: Brilliant! I already love it! I am in.
@@TwwIX HA! And so true!
@@TwwIX yesss bring Cage in!
@@TwwIX Nahh, Nic says what's he wants to be in and the rest happens.
@@jgfjgfify Or just found someone who was a reasonable fascimile of Murray and could emulate his 'wit' to play Venkmann.
I would love a Ghostbusters 3.......25 years ago. As far as I'm concerned they Ghostbusters: The video game is the third installment.
Bill Murray is at the point in his career where he does the films that interest him, and clearly Ghostbusters doesn't.
And who can blame him, sequels rarely surpass the original.
@bigevilworldwide1 He wasn't the only one responsible for the Coulier debacle, and that change wasn't the only way the show went downhill. The Changes to Janine in looks, personality and voice actress (from Laura Summer to the talented but unfitting Kath Soucie) were just as bad. And in the case of Venkman it wasn't the only problem of course, like Janine the change in in the series overall qulity writing as well as characterisation of the main cast was just as bad a decision, not directly connected to Murray.
Sequels are rarely good these days, Murrays thoughts on Ghostbusters 2 exactly match mine, some good bits, the Scoleri Brothers scene for example, and the arrival of the titanic, but overall the story holding those scenes together was rather weak, and made for an unsatisfying film overall ! Not to mention they committed the cardinal sin of sequels and reset all the character arcs for the characters, making them all poor at the beginning of the film, after being shafted by the mayor, takes the shine off the ending of the first film ! Lazy writing imo !
@@rocketmunkey1 I wish they had Winston in the Scoleri Brothers scene. That was really strange that he was excluded.
"And who can blame him, sequels rarely surpass the original."
And yet, he filmed Garfield 2.
@@TaliaIGhul To be fair he did say he regretted that before he died
Bill was so over the top happy about 2016’s Ghostbusters cast and director in that statement, I can just hear his dripping sarcasm.
i can also picture the sony executioner standing behind him while he typed out the reply.
Bill Murray: WIth these girls particularly it would be great, Kristen, and Melissa, and... (What's the name of the other ones?) ...I think I, I think, I think they got a murderous road there.
@@DiamondPugs
Sony : "Sign now, or we'll be sending an _assistant_ for you."
Murray : "I've already forgot the names of your stars, might as well send one anyways."
Bill Murray never liked Ghostbusters. The only reason he did the original films was so the studio would finance his remake of the Razor's Edge.
Shawn Convery Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that he played a truly amazing character. The sequel didn’t exactly ruin his character, he just didn’t get many good lines or moments. I could see Ghostbusters without Bill Murray, but I’d like to see him in it anyway. Sadly, Egon not being there hurts the most, though. It was his writing that made the first film, as Akroyd was more interested in the fanciful parts.
It was Bill Murrays brother Brian Doyle Murray told him to make amends with Harold Ramis before it's to late. Credit to Bill Murray he made amends and peace with Harold Ramis before his death
Honestly, I'm over it if Bill is in it or not. He's at least part of the reason why GB3 never got made and eventually led to the god-awful 2016 movie (which he was in). I like the dude and want him to be in the movie...but I won't lose sleep if he is not.
Bill Murray is a good comedian and actor but damn he's hard to figure out as a human being...
He always makes weird picks and plays himself in everyrhing. I can't figure the guy out.
So he's a complex person in a way.
@@mechajay3358 and impredictable.
“I don’t think he’s human”
-Egon Spengler
i think he's a guy with "Issues". Some of which may stem from his start with SNL where he was ribbed a lot by Belushi with the crew laughing on and was possibly jealous of the raw talent Belushi (and attention) that John had, which is why John's skits are absolute classics.
i would say that it is possible Bill is "On the spectrum" and doesn't process emotions and thoughts like a Normie. (i know all too well about that). Or he's jus got ego problems or maybe a bit psychopathic. Ya can't say he didn't know what kind of response the award acceptance in the Ghostbusters suit would have!
His constant and well documented difficulties on and off set belie that there is SOMETHING up with him.
Anyway, check out this skit from SNL and how Bill is responding to the skit which is lead by Belushi and Bill is being made the butt of the family joke. The friction is seen in Bills delivery and face at the very end.
th-cam.com/video/puJePACBoIo/w-d-xo.html
I believe Murray is back, when I see him on screen in Ghostbusters 3, heh.
People arent talking about how Rick Moranis is the real white whale here
That's what I'm thinking
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Igor Arruda indeed. Andre and everyone put so much hard work into their analysis. Easily the best of the fandom menance tubers.
they're the best. their subscription numbers don't reflect their quality
If you like this analysis, you should definitely check out Cinemassacres history of ghostbusters 3, it goes really in depth about Murray
@@godzillafan1117 James is awesome too
GoddessOfWhim2003 it was James
But if Murray had been on board to make more Ghostbusters sequels with the original cast we would not have had the absolutely stellar unforgettable masterpiece that was Ghostbusters (2016).
Bill Murray marches to a different beat, as he's not a part of the Hollywood machine, and I applaud him for that!
Lol, that's idiotic. He's as 'Hollywood' as anybody with his 'I'm the star' attitude even when he sucks.
@@jamescarter3196 Sorry to burst your idiotic bubble! but he's never played the hollywood game, that most if not all play (Except Keaanu Reeves !) sure he's a star, sure he maybe difficult ,but he's been screwed so many times by the "HOLLYWOOD MACHINE" why do you think he doesn't even have all the trappings a star has? .no Entourage or publicists, lawyers ,heck he doesn't even have an agent! ,there's an 800 number that you can leave a message, and if he wants to do the role, he'll contact you , but even then he'll sometimes wait, but he's doesn't do the parties or any of the twisted things stars seem to find themselves doing...no he lives with his wife and has had children ,but has kept to himself which is admirable more so that a lot of what represents to so-called stars today! Also sorry if you think he sucks, but his output of movies, is far better than movies being made today! ....with the virtue signaling, and forced diversity, it's crap! and he knows it, the only reason he was in that crapfest known as Ghostbusters 2016, was he was threatened with legal action by the damn studio! that's the Hollywood machine!!! And for his I'm the star he's no different than any one of them on set ,but I'll take 100 Bill Murray's over what's being presented today!!
“I didn’t mean anything by this, it was the only thing lying around that was clean” - Bill Murray
Isn't this the same guy that just randomly shows up to peoples weddings and parties. And I am not talking about celebrity ones (though he does that to) I mean if he is walking down the road or is somewhere and sees one nearby he will just walk in.
@@Duke00x I heard a similar story once (not sure its true or urban legend) Murray walked right up to someone who was eating a bag of chips or some kind of snack and he, without asking, took one, ate it in front of the guy and then said to him "No one will believe you if you tell them". He then just walked away. If it's true that really funny.
@@JOECANDELA22 I hear he says the same things when he crashes the parties and weddings.
@@Duke00x He stole a couple of fries from a friend of mine once, whispered "No one will ever believe you." and walked out of the restaurant. This was a few years before anyone would defiantly have believed him as Bill Murray has became notorious for doing just that kind of thing.
@@hartsfang Yep. Sounds about right.
You know, it seems like Murray doesn't care for Hollywood, and I don't blame him.
Yet, there he still is.
@@markblum5059 I meant Hollywood in the industry sense not the location sense. I'm sure nice reasonable people live in Hollywood too.
@@disruptive_innovator : Yet Mark's comment still holds true. Murray has done some great work, but he's so inactive because of how fussy he is. I don't know if he's nice or not, but at this point it's known that he's not reasonable.
@@absalomdraconis That's why I didn't say Marks point was false, because he's right, Bill is still in Hollywood. Did u read?
Imagine a work colleague who only shows up to work when it suits him. Bet he'd be popular with everyone.
"...they are going to have great success with this project."
Oh Bill. You aren't *that* good of an actor.
He needed to be a GOD for that
He's Funny tho😂😂
I believe he made that statement with a gun being held at his head.
It was SOOO annoying. The whole idea of a reboot that wrote out the original series was epically stupid. The new all female team could have worked well, if it just had the nerve to be an actual sequel. Ghostbusters was a private business. No reason the passing of the torch couldn't have been a buy out or inheritance. Yet this legitimate criticism was drowned out by the sexist fucktard criticism that ewww, girls. That in tern allowed the team behind this bad movie to claim the only criticism was because of sexism.
Agreed. A shitty movie is simply just a shitty movie.
There was nothing " jolly " about the 2016 Ghostbusters movie
Tardis crew It was "funny" how bad it was. :-)
He's a pro- says good things even though he was forced to participate.
It was a lot of fun! Too bad so many wimpy sexist jackoffs lost their macho about it. It just shows how many men are really, really fragile!
Bill Murray has just been a *_double edged sword_* for the Ghostbusters franchise. He's amazing when he brings his A-game, but is a tremendous prick which takes a lot of effort just to please him. I know this is way past 30+ years, and with Harold Ramis (RIP) gone, but they could've picked another actor to play Peter Venkman in 1984, and one such could've been Jim Belushi (younger brother of original choice John Belushi). Jim Belushi may not be as versatile as Bill Murray, but he's showcased the decent ability over the years in delivering dry and sarcastic humor. Jim Belushi could've brought long term commitment, stability and professionalism to the Ghostbusters, unlike Murray.
I've heard Jim is also quite difficult to work with and has a bad temper. Its supposedly one of the reasons he stopped getting work by the end of the 80s. Same deal with Chevy Chase and Mike Meyers. The moment they weren't pulling in cash Hollywood was done with dealing with them.
@@mresturk9336 Hollywood would sign on to a new Austin Powers in a minute. Fact is, Murray is right that Ghostbusters 2 was a disappointment. The bad reviews and fast box office decline in 1989 backed that up. However, Murray does have a bad reputation for getting into personal squabbles with actors and directors on set. And this beef with Ramis certainly seems to have been the real, mostly unreported roadblock to getting GB3 made before Ramis' death.
Too bad Ramis isn't still alive, he would have written a killer Ghostbusters sequel.
Mulder Scully spot on. More than the absence of Murray, it’s the absence of Ramis that hurts the franchise.
I feel its BS without him, needs left alone.
falconater68 you might be right, we’ll see.
I ran into Bill at dinner last month... They were here for the filming so I think he's in it.
Personally I love how Bill does things on his own terms. Imo he's earned that option.
Great content Midnight's Edge
this is the only thing taking longer to get done than Guns n Roses' Chinese Democracy album did
oh god, and it's felt nothing like a GnR album. is that foreshadowing? maybe Bill is right?
Honestly for me, if Bill Murray really doesn't want to do it then I'm not going to act like well too bad he HAS to lol Why should I care if he doesn't? Shit, even in the Ghostbusters game on PS3/4, you can very clearly tell Bill doesn't give a hot damn about it. I got 1 great classic film, thanks Bill.
yeah its pretty insane seeing people insult him probably because they want him to be in the film and he doesnt want to, so they take it as a personal slight/insult, considering what happened to GB2 and the fact sony threatened him into GB2016, I am totally not surprised he has zero interest in anything further, sony is like some violent husband beating his wife, "no no, come on murray, this time it will be different", only in this instance murray does not come crawling back and moves on with his life.
Shitstation is GARBAGE
if i were him I would also be just as happy to be satisfied with the first movie being pretty much awesome, why do as many others do and try to bring back something and probably ruin it all, as murray said, they did not get the ghostbusters 2 they wanted, so why would that be any different now? also sony basically threatening him for the 2016 fiasco should have been the final nail in the coffin for wanting to contribute further. Would I like to see him in a 3rd? yeah probably, but with the way all modern remakes/retakes are going, its better left alone, just watch the first again if we miss ghostbusters, at least you get something good.
This is Bill Murray's world.
We just live here.
The Knave greatest comment on this video
The Hollywood of today is not the Hollywood of Murry's time.
yet he turned down roles from over 20 years ago
@@budgiecat9039 20 years ago would have been 1999, Hollywood was well on its way to becoming what it is now.
Going by what was said in this video he had the same attitude in the 80's and 90's...so todays scene has nothing to do with it. He is just hard work by the sound of things
@@acidmack1041 I need a citation. I don't remember them saying that.
Meh, it's his life and his decision.
It is but he could give a solid answer instead of acting like a child. He's wasting other people's time and money.
jgfjgfify It's _his_ decision if he wants to do a sequel. *Stop being an entitled fan. He doesn't answer to you or to anyone else.* If he decides to do a sequel then great. If not then _show some respect for his decision._
thank you! I've always been of this mindset. There are people with the entitlement that feel like he owes it to people or the fans. He's not obligated to do anything!
Woah 😨 can’t die sooner enough?? Over a movie??? Wow.
Why even bother with that comment? 'And he can say what he wants, and I can say what I want, and people can do what they want' yeah, brilliant. Thank god for somebody lazily saying 'it could go either way and I don't care'.
I like the fact Bill Murray is calling out the racist BS about Winston's character
The t.v show made me love Winston as my favorite Ghostbuster.
Wait, so Ghostbusters 2 isn't actually liked by fans? Because I love it much more than the first. Direction, story, camera are so much better and dialogues stayed at the same awesome level. GB2 > GB1
I also don't understand the hate for GB2. It's not as good as the first one, but it's a perfectly serviceable sequel. I absolutely love the courtroom scene (it's a shame Winston wasn't in it)
I'd say at the time it was disappointing. Why? Audiences don't like sequels that make the heroes fail after the triumph of the previous story. GB2, Rocky 5, Last Jedi all examples of this. I was 5 when the original came out. My generation had a very well written and successful animated series Real Ghostbusters in the gap between the two films. GB2 contradicted that and made it hard for a kid to enjoy completely.
I think the main complaint about the 2nd is that it didn't really attempt anything new or original, it was more of the same, only not executed as well. It's fine, especially for a sequel, but I don't feel like it did anything better than the original, including the special effects.
Too many story elements directly lifted from the first movie. The style was aimed at a younger audience than the first (not a bad thing per se, but fans of the original had grown five years older not five years younger). Winston Zeddemore was drastically sidelined. The "romance" between Janine and Louis felt contrived and out of character.
Still enjoyed it. Just nowhere near as good as the first movie.
I think GB2 didn't do so well because it was the case of been here and seen it. Jokes about slime, jokes about having a nuke generator strapped to your back. I still prefer the first over the second . I am of the opinion though ; if the 3rd film doesn't have all the original cast in it , then it's not going to be a true sequel.Which unfortunately can't happen now ! Still , I will watch it just to see what they did. Old times sake !
Who you gunna call ?Ghostbusters !
I saw Ghostbusters 3, Bill Murray, and midnight edge in my notifications and I instantly gave this a like👍🏿
He's likely in ghost busters 3 he was spotted in Calgary, where they are filming, having dinner with Dan, Ernie and Sigourney.
Don't really care to be honest. Remember what a great idea everyone thought Dumb & Dumber 2 was?
Besides, there's no Egon. No Egon - no Ghostbusters.
Another brilliant video! I have my fingers crossed that Murray is back for Ghostbusters 3!
The ghostbusters logo you used to replace the letter "o" looked like "s" in a glimpse, kinda confused me for a second.
Same
Why doesn't he just demand an enormous amount of money, take the part, then donate all of it to charity? Would be a win-win.
sehnzeleid I think most of this comes from his depression.
He has enough money to do whatever he wants, so at this point in his life it's probably just a matter of what he wants to spend his time doing and what he doesn't.
Bill is a genius.. he has earned his right to do what he wants to do in films..
Thats bit of a reach
Wow, I had no idea he was like this. He seems like a cool dude to hang out with but an absolute pain in the butt to work with professionally.
I live in Calgary and i saw bill Murray with the cast in a fancy restaurant. There’s no way he travelled all the way there just for dinner.
One of the best videos I have seen in a while
...and now that I've actually finished watching this video...... ... #mindblown
A sort of correction to the videogame event: Murray was paid for a couple of days and appeared to voice his character for exactly the amount of time he was paid for. He finished about half of his character's dialogue script during that time, but the developers didn't have enough money to pay him for more days/hours. During his time voicing the character, he worked very well on it and would even do retakes to get better on certain lines/dialogue. But they didn't have enough (paid) time to finish his character's scripted dialogue, so they had to work with what they had, which is why Venkman seems really not there in some scenes, repeating parts of previously spoken (re-arranged) dialogue and seeming off/weird. Developers said he was professional and a gentleman but only stuck around for as long as he was paid to (which is fair). Murray later stated that he wished he took the game more seriously (perhaps meaning to finish his dialogue-script) because he didn't expect it to be the quality product that it turned out to be.
Enough with the sequels and remakes already! While I loved the 1984 Ghostbusters, I never saw Ghostbusters II, nor do I have any interest in ever seeing the Paul Feig dumpster fire of 2016. Bill Murray is an incredibly talented comedian, and I can understand why he doesn’t like doing sequels. In the commentary track for Meatballs, which was Bill Murray’s first feature movie, director Ivan Reitman and other members of the cast said they weren’t sure if he was going to show up for filming until he did at the very last minute. In doing what he does, Bill Murray gets to pick and choose what he wants to do as far as movies go. If he doesn’t want to do a movie, that’s his choice and we should respect him for that.
Ghostbusters II is a perfectly fine sequel. Murray is just a cry baby. The production team had to fabricate lighter proton packs for the movie because Murray whined so much about them being heavy in the first film.
"This is going to work, but it's not"
You know that's an odd way of saying "it'd going to be a great project, but I want no part in it"
Honestly Ghostbusters 3 shouldn't even be a thing. Too much time has passed, the window closed when Harold Ramis died. It's most likely going to be another one of those nostalgia bait sequels that completely miss the tone of the original and just retroactively ruin the originals. Time for some original ideas, Hollywood.
thats pretty much the sequence all similar reboots/retakes/etc take these days, if an actor needs the cash then fair play, its a job, go do it, but if moneys no issue then why further ruin something thats already pretty trainwrecked.
Love to see Bill do a film like One Hour Photo.. seeing a funny guy play a role like that is just off the charts..
I gave up on Murray coming back YEARS ago. He's the one who has mostly held back the movie being made. At this point, I don't care if he's in it or not. He isn't a huge loss after all this time and he seems to be fine doing whatever it is he does.
He got rid of his agent cause they kept calling him... ?!?!?
😂Jesus!
The man is hilarious even when he's not trying to be.
Bill's attitude reminds me of that one Moe Szyslak scene in The Simpsons where he's complaining to a repo man for repossessing his bar's floor. The repo man sharply advises him that this wouldn't happen if he'd just pay his bill, to which Moe replies, "but I don't want to!" Before walking out. It's not that Moe couldn't afford it, he simply didn't want to pay it, even if it meant the loss of his business' floor. It's like extreme anti-conformism. I imagine that happening with Bill. Bill complained to his Agent for too many calls, his Agent simply told him that this how this whole actor/representative business works and Bill replied, "yeah, but I don't like it." Hung up and dropped his Agent immediately after.
This why Murray is the king he knows when somethings is crap or a "diamond in the rough "
Well it doesn't stop him from participating in crap though (The Dead Don’t Die was a far bigger piece of crap than IMDb gives it credit for).
Absolutely, "Garfield" and his performance in "Osmosis Jones" are great indicators of that...
Plain and simple, this guy has Depression. He has a really big support system, though. His friends haven't given up on him, and still want him to be the best version of himself they all know he's capable of. Lucky guy.
Are you just assuming about his friend circle? Just curious.
I agree with you mate, he just needs to turn that frown upside down, and get back in the game. Be the best he can be. Move the needle on his mental speedometer, and buy in to positive thinking. He needs to come up with an 'action plan' and run it up the flagpole to get the support of all his safety circle of supportive friends. He needs to 'buy in' to life and raise the stakes of his mental fortitude. Maybe create an 'action plan' and diary, and take it one step at a time. Self actualisation is a journey with many steps...and the first is a hardest one.....
'BLURGH!!!'
platitudes are like sticky shit on a strangers shoe as they walk over your outstretched hands on the pavement.....
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Since I was a child I've always got the impression that Bill Murray never had any interest in the films he did. He never seemed invested in his roles. He always seemed very nonchalant and like he just wanted the movie to be finished so he could get back to fishing or anything other than where he was at that moment.
I’d so love a movie called “Making of Ghosbusters 3” and it’s all about Dan Aykroyd trying to convince Bill to make Ghostbusters, like, imagine, Bill is on a golf course, relaxing, and then suddenly, Dan is driving a golf cart screaming “MURRAY!! MURRRAAYY!!!” and then crashes into a tree.
Hahaha ; now that is a movie I would watch ! Now see that is a bloody good idea. Dan trying to get all the old cast together to make the sequel. Be hilarious!!!
Fantastic video everybody
Some people are treating Bill Murray saying, "No." to a film like he went on a racist tirade or something.
TheHoratiosvetlana Entitled fans can't respect his decision.
@@MichaelPohoreski Fandom is a glorious and awful thing.
You can't blame him really. Yes we would all love to see another masterpiece like the original GhostBusters but come on that was the early 80's.
It wouldn't be the same without BM just as it won't be the same without DA or HR.
They're filming Ghostbusters 3 in Calgary??? I had no idea.
Hope Bill Murray is involved, even if it's only a cameo. This is the movie that has the most potential to extend the franchise, so it seems only right for him to be part of it.
Great video, btw! Really informative.
Jesus, why would you want to hire the guy
He sounds more trouble than he's worth
Doing a true Ghostbusters film without Murray would be like doing a Rocky or Rambo movie without Stallone. That's why Murray is worth the trouble.
@@CaptDingDong Whatever they make won't really be a "true Ghostbusters" movie anyway as Harold Ramis has since passed and therefore the original quartet will not be complete
“Strained,” not “strenuous”.
Actually it's tenuous.
Murray is the only one who still has any standards. How many old movies have been trotted out for remakes etc and just been embarrassingly bad? Murray actually has some standards left and isn't willing to just cash in on some old crappy shit that isn't up to his standard.
He's actually refreshingly honest, in a world of fake bullshit.
But he was in "The Dead Don’t Die" anyway, how does that work?
@@Kaefer1973 Pays the bills, I guess. Not the same as desecrating Ghostbusters' corpse.
@@yosharian Pays the Bill to pay the bills. I get it.
Better to have a well chosen actor for the whole movie than Bill Murray for a couple scenes. I like Bill Murray and fully accept his choice to only do projects he's passionate about.
Dear God, please send us back Harold Ramis and John Belushi and take with you Bill 'has no dick' Murray. Thanks.
Signed, an ex Peter Venkman's fan.
I read somewhere that he only agreed to appear in the first Ghostbusters movie if the studio would finance his own art project, something called The Razor's Edge, which didn't anything like as well in cinemas as Ghostbusters did (which he reportedly resents).
Considering how Year One ended up, I'm not surprised Bill Murray didn't want to make Ghostbusters III.
His reluctance to come back sometime back and how long that took Harold Ramis died past that point told me that it was either money related. Or that he did not hold it in high esteem compared to some of his other movies. And lastly the same effect as Bruce Willis hating fans associating him with John McClaine in Die Hard. From his SNL days rumor was even then he was not easy as a personality to get along with much like Chevy Chase. And when comedian and actors reach primadonna status in terms of their careers they can turn down whatever they want. They aren't subject to their lean hungry years of the past.
Hold up, Sigourney Weaver was not the sole hold out for the game, Rick Moranis also wasn't in it.
Rick Moranis was intentionally not in _anything_ for a decade or two. He was focussed on raising his kids after his wife died. He's barely even restarted his career, and he may well still decide to the grocery stocking & golf-course bad-boy career route.
Bill Murray is a weirdo. Love him, but he's weird.
Great guy but a pain in the arse lol
Excellent video
Bill Murray seems like more trouble than he's worth. He makes things more complicated than it is. Either play the part and dedicate yourself to it or don't, it's that simple. He waited so long to the point that Harold Ramis is now dead. We could have had a sequel a while ago with ALL the actors together.
Wow, this is great news. I love Bill Murray.
He was on the set of GB 2020 like 2 weeks ago.
Bill Murray Gives Wes Anderson An ‘Automatic Yes’ When He Calls His 1-800 Number
God bless bill Murray
Ghostbusters 3 died with Harold Ramis. After the 2016 trashfire especially.
Hollywood is in such a sad state now that no one wants to deal with them. But movies like Ghostbusters need there roots. The people that made them great can maybe make a change.
Bill, Dan, and Ernie are in their 70s or near it. How excited can people expect them to be about being as active as they were when they were young.
It has been 5yrs since Harold passed away!!?? No freaking way!
Can NOT have another Ghostbusters without Bill Fuckin Murray! ~Cheers!
Bill Murray has never, and will never, forgive the industry and the audience for not embracing his version of The Razor's Edge.
Bill Murray was great in groundhogs day but I never considered him "The star of Ghostbusters". It's not going to be the same without Harold Ramis anyway. So sure. Invite Bill but if he doesn't respond in a reasonable time, Move on. I don't think he is critical now that Harold is out.
Well, he hursts a lot of Lucy Liu's feelings. She almost killed him with anger.
Bill Murray = True Artist
Bill Murray has a strenuous relationship with the Hollywood movie making process.
The A plot is centering around the new family who are clearly going to be Egon's wife and kids.
He's probably part of the B or even C plot, where he turns up at the last minute after not being around for some ghost bases reason, which will lead to a small third act cameo.
For more on the mercurial Bill, read Nick de Semlyen’s “Wild and Crazy Guys”. Excellent book, well-written. Murray’s idiosyncratic approach to all of his career and the Ramis contretemps is covered in depth (amidst all the other comedy stars - Chase, Martin, Candy, Murphy, Belushi of the late 70’s / 80’s).
He’ll be there dispite what anyone says the man is a legend and no matter what you say about him he’ll do a cameo just for his fans in Murray I trust
I love bill murry but apparently hes a real pain in the ass when it comes to these types of movies
I love how people get sooo upset about the 2016 Ghostbusters film, I thought it was funny and I loved the original films. You had some very talented people involved
Um... anyone who didn't love Ghostbusters 2 is crazy. Bobby Brown, Vigo, Full cast return, Statue Of Liberty walking through NYC as all all peoples sing "Higher & Higher" soaked in pink slim... like whatever. That movie was amazing. Still holds up too.
Murray's just dressed as Vinkman from Ghostbusters for Halloween
I recognized it immediately
As much as I enjoyed Ghostbusters 1 and 2, I am bloody tired of seeing geriatric actors try to reenact their famous roles. Just leave it be.
I love the man, but he's getting on now. He probably just wants a decent retirement and some time to himself.
Bill Murry was the reason it took this long for them to finally green light GB3 and is quite notorious on set.
In my opinion, Murray has every right to not want to do Ghostbusters 3. Aykroyd and hardcore fans have been on his ass about it for years. It overshadows all his great other work: St. Vincent, Hyde Park on Hudson, The Life Aquatic..., Broken Flowers, and many more. I would imagine that he just wants to be remembered as being more than Peter Venkman. He deserves to be. Of course, the creators of the new movie might be keeping his involvement under wraps to boost interest.
Caddyshack II was pretty awful, but I can say without a doubt that Ghostbusters 2 while imperfect is definitely superior between the two.
Dammit Bill, quit being a git.
If Egon were still around they could get away with no Peter but with one team member already out they really need Peter to be there. I don't really care about Dana returning though.
Dana is fine, maybe even needed, after all I'm not sure a Murray, even a theoretical highly motivated and giving his best performance in decades murray, could make up for the loss of Ramis. The movie will need all the help it can get.
Smart man, if he doesn't want to do something best to leave him alone. He did some really good stuff back in the day. Hollywood is one screwed up place, I don't blame him for acting odd one bit.
We still have Dan Ackroyd! You can't have the Ecto-1 without him.
I just think he doesnt want to do movies anymore. He seems like an odd little man, who does random stuff for random reasons. I honestly dont get why people fawn on him. Yeah Ghostbusters was funny, and Groundhog was good, but thats it.
Lost in translation and zombie land, Murray is a legend. Let's be honest here
Indeed. IMO The guy is allright in a few movies but i dont get this unconditional adoration for him either. Could be an american factor here, because of SNL. And him being seen as some loveable outsider instead of a prick, seeming as he does a decent movie every once in a while.