@@fakestory1753 AI art is the product of a techno-crutch built on mass copyright violation, with a giant energy hunger, developed by criminal business in a genocidal empire.
4:09 dude, I GASPED on this moment. holy shit. I just realized that I can simply post sketches and WIPs, because some people would still genuinely enjoy it, even if it's an unfinished drawing. because I would enjoy it too, while scrolling my favourite artist's page.. because sometimes even simple drawings can amaze, make you feel..feelings, can portray some thought. and, knowing that someone worked on this, put their own soul into theirs piece of art... it makes me feel warmth. that's about it.
Great! Now we're feeding the models sketches as well as full artworks, so in the future they can copy even that! By the way, there already are speedpaint video models that fake the creation process. Sooooo, no, this is probably not a long-term solution either.
@@grox2417 ooh well!! by making that comment I was meaning motivation in overall (bc I've always struggled with it and refused to post anything but full work, due to fear that it will look messy), not thinking of AI thing by that moment- but yeah, sad that's a thing too now :( I wonder if we can stop it with something other than just stop posting anything at all..
It's normal to he afraid of AI especially in a system where corporations prioritize their bottom line, even if it hurts them in the long term and are awarded for it.
@tflees Funny "artists" say that then they fight along aide these corporations aganist open source AI so corpos can have total dominance and control over the market, then they cry about it ... great strategy cotton 👍
I wouldn't be worried about it otherwise. I work in IT, and what you mentioned is basically the only reason I'm a bit of a technophobe. Well, that and people's apparent expectation that computers just work flawlessly and don't have any weakpoints, contributing to the lack of IT security and data protection. Technology is awesome, and in a just world I would treat it as such
Personally for me the main thing in art is an idea but not how much time was spend to make it. AI is a tool. It can replace only art manufacturers(have no ideas just draw good looking pics). For the true artists it is helpful tool
I don't fear AI replacing artists. The technology appears to have already plateaued, and improvements have slowed to a crawl the past year or so, despite the huge amount of cash that's being pumped into its research. Ultimately these generators are just statistics machines, pumping out a statistically average result that checks all the boxes of its given prompt. Nothing they generate will ever be anything more than a novelty. I don't really post my art online anymore, and while AI played a role in that, the bigger factor was that I realized that playing the numbers game with social media simply caused me more grief than keeping my work to myself. I'd rather my work go unseen by my own choice rather than go unseen because it was ignored. I'd rather share it with a caring few than be given the cold shoulder from the uncaring masses. I make "pretty pictures" not to make a statement, but simply to manifest the "pretty pictures" I see in my mind into the physical world and feel the satisfaction and accomplishment of doing so. The kind of satisfaction and accomplishment I'd never get from simply throwing random prompts at the wall until something sticks.
Machine Learning makes a "Pretty Picture" once in a blue moon. The technology that's been improving a lot recently is Img2Img basically tracing. Txt2Img is still garbage. AI is all dependent on it's database. Machine Learning Algorithms are a bunch of artificial neurons that recognize patterns. The weights are basically what is programmed into it in order for some artifical neurons to be favored. It's all dependent on weighted averages. It's literally a slot machine that depends on stolen art to predict the next pixel. If all artists quit social media AI gets worse because it literally depends on us to function. Without artists "AI Art" would be nothing. If you stared an AI off training off cave painting that's all it would spit out. Humans on the other know how to experiment and make something new and original.
That implies everything automatically has meaning, you’ve never seen the pipeline of a product, many things that are added without any purpose other than noise & filler. That reminds me of the conspiracy theories about Spoon pictures in The Room, there was no reason for the spoon pictures, they just found random images without caring what was in it.
@@chewy99.Humans have a reason to do stuff, Ai does not Even if the inspiration for doing such a quick sketch is boredom that gives the drawing more meaning than no meaning at all
I use to hate modern art too until I watched an interview of why the artist did it. I realized we all have a reason to do art and I started to appreciate it.
i really hate when ppl hate on modern art or any art because art is supposed to convey a message and even if you personnaly don't understand it, it dosen't mean it's not art or bad art. Art is so much more than just something you can see and a lot of peoples refuse to understand that and it's annoying :(
@@saix_unicorn I have to ask, what's the meaning and artistic value of a banana stuck to a wall? Why would someone pay thousands of dollars for it when they can easily do it themselves?
@@el_mr6439 Look up dadaism. Learn a little about art movements in history, their all a reaction to the current trends of their time, it's actually really cool if, you know, you have interest in art.
I saw a local music shop that I frequently visit have a new logo that is clearly AI-generated, and i genuinely got upset. I also realized, as man made art and logos etc gets more scarce compared to Ai-generated stuff, i tend to actively look for and appreciate the man made things, the craftmanship etc. Not surprised if more people feel the same way, or will in the future.
If they gave someone some free coffees, they would do the logo in a heartbeat. AI is often used because its the "easy" way out when it just harms in the long term
Youre mad that a small business isnt going to fork out money for a logo? And why are you even upset with it too? I dont get this shitting and pissing ones self over ai.
This is something I think about a lot when it comes to this topic! No matter how far ai comes and goes, there will ALWAYS be a market for actual art made my actual people even if simply for the novelty of it. An AI won’t understand the personal meanings behind a piece in the same way a human does, if at all. Even if two pieces can fundamentally LOOK the same, the intention and love put into it can give it value.
The one thing both digital and traditional artists can both do that AI can't - is make *anything* during a power outage. You think AI's gonna be leaving doodles on college white boards or napkins at a cafe? You can't replace us in the ways that matter.
@Lioru92 Tonight I had a spat with a good friend and couldn't stay mad after I made a vent sketch joking about gnawing his legs off. I've been drawing all of three months, it's not a good sketch, but what makes it so funny and what made me feel better after drawing it, is a kind of magic that could never be replicated by AI. I could've spent three hours trying to prompt a bot to make a hilarious 😑 face that vaguely resembles one of my OC's, but then all the magic of having this silly sketch bubble up on the page and erase my anger would've never happened.
Especially considering the monumental energy requests further AI needs. Trump said that Elon requested Double the total energy output of the current U.S. for his AI. Like seriously??? Fuck that shit. Give that budget to NASA, not Elon so he can further his own goals.
@johngddr5288 This guy wants to US to double its energy output for him to spend on his own personal whims. Buddy, if you wanted to be a king you should have married into the Saudis.
I really hate the learned helplessness AI and tech bros are encouraging. Their only argument is “why do ___ when ai can just do it for me?”, they don’t want to learn anything, they don’t want to try anything new, they don’t want to challenge themselves. All these people want to do is sit like in one place and have everything handed to them like a baby. It’s a sad and frankly pathetic way to live your life and I just can’t support it.
Exactly! I’ve seen so many people- even my close friends- try to tell me that I if I’m not making money off of art or if I’m in a rush, then I should just let AI do it for me! Recently, one of my friends was creating an art piece for her class and used AI to finish the rest because she didn’t have time. I wish I could do something to help REAL artists!
I think they took the wrong lesson from WALL-E and decided they'd rather live in a pod watching AI-generated Marvel movies while computers print imaginary money for them.
I think making a Muskite AI-loving tech bro watch the movie _Woman in the Dunes_ is analogous to something in contemporary society obliterating a small Victorian child.
coke's newest AI generated ad is looking good i'm not gonna doubt that, but... it just feels so detached, like... the dude lifting up a coke bottle, smiling, but the eyes are soulless and his smile is uncanny
That one Spongebob movie scene with Spongebob winning a Krabby Patty competition against the guy who can summon thousands of Krabby Patties at will because he made it with love is becoming more and more relevant
The guy in question is Neptune if I'm not wrong. His patties ended up being... not tasty (i don't know how to put it in other ways) because, well, he just summoned it.
This is such a Reasonable take on the “AI problem” (with a good solution). Artists need to separate the ‘Technical’ (the Tangibles) from the Creative (Intangibles). There’s a fantastic Qoute I came across recently that made perfect sense for this situation. "He who works with his hand, is a laborer. He who works with his hand and his head, is a craftsman. He who works with his hand, his head and his heart, is an artist." AI is just replacing the hand and the head. it’s up to us to bring the “heart” to the game. Great TED TALK ma man ;). You just added an important piece to the conversation.
id argue that AI doesn't even work with its head. it just takes pictures and throws them up into an image, so really its not even an artificial intelligence, its just artificial.
@@bcmoore671 Ai uses a thing called machine learning. It’s more complex than taking a bunch of images and slapping down a new one. Like artists, it learns from image references and “steals like an artist” in order to create an artwork. So in that case, Ai DOES have a head. What kesh is trying to get at is that Ai cant make art from the stance of emotion, passion, empathy & etc. It can only mimic humans and do it’s best to pretend it that it put alot of thought/effort behind the work it just pooped out. Unless a passionate art director prompts ai in a way to show heart, Ai will only poop out recycled content that seems new.
It's not even the good kind of stealing It can only recognize patterns, not art concepts/thoughts behind it at all. That's why ai generated content is very often attributed to plagiarism in an academic setting (and I'm saying this as someone taking Computer Science). It's because it patches what it saw together without thought, only because it saw something similar to it. It's not smart enough to understand concepts. It needs an insane amount of sample size to even be near to what we consider as human learning.
My greatest fear from ai art is not it getting better, but it stagnating like it is right now and replacing people that ARE BETTER. AI can never be better than a person because it’s only a copy. It can’t remain consistent well enough to be good/appealing. And!! The enormous carbon footprint these machines have is disturbing
At least MS is trying to get some old nuclear plants up and running. Which sounds exactly like it came from a sci-fi film or video game, Code Lyoko and Deus Ex come to mind.
The imperfection of art gives the deep connection as a viewer to the artist themselves. A mistake, or a inability is a feature, like a small bug in a videogame. Sometimes, the bug is what makes a game so great.
Great video! Really reminds me of advice my art professor gave me (well, the art professor who taught an art module I took as a Literature major lol)-after asking for feedback on the technical aspects of my art, he asked me why I create. "For fun" was my answer, but also it didn't feel enough for him-because art IS difficult, and its easy to lose that creative drive when it stops being just "fun". He advised that I "create with a purpose". Still trying to figure out what that is (for a fandom? just to visualise cool ideas? to be 'the best'?), but its something that's always stuck with me.
You were already creating with a purpose, for fun. We can create for ourselves, for our own enjoyment, without having to share it with others or monetize it and still have a purpose.
@@barbaravenuhi agree, creating art for the purpose of getting likes or to make money out of it was actually driving me away from art. when i was younger i used to draw every single day but just because it was fun and i felt accomplished already. We should allow ourselves to create stuff just because it's fun, as simple as that
I can confirm this! My best works always come from when I do it FOR something, like a profile picture, or a story, or for video game sprites, or even to just express my love for a certain franchise. I think it has something to do with the fact you have so much energy and passion for it. These things just come flying onto the canvas. It's pretty cool!
When I first accepted AI "art" wasnt going anywhere, I took a few months to reflect on what made human art important to me and came to this exact same conclusion. I've been a portrait artist for the past decade, but I recently shut down my social media so I could focus on learning how to draw environments, perspective, and anything I think I need to know to fulfill my new vision for my future as an artist. I am no longer satisfied drawing simple portraits of pretty instagram women, celebrities, and fictional characters. I want to draw complex pieces about social justice, my childhood, domestic violence, the importance of community, etc. I don't want people to just look at my art and think it's "cute" or "pretty." I want them to stare long and hard and FEEL something. I want my work to resonate with people. I am genuinely excited for this new era in my artistic journey.
The experience you are going through is exactly what makes art and creativity so special! It leads you to deeper questions, and it's an inner journey that you can track through your different art phases. Art helps you engage fully with life, and if that doesn't make creativity important I don't know what does. Good luck on your journey!! 🎉
The advent of AI generated imagry reminds me of the invention of the camera, and the impact it had on painters at the time. The painters couldn't be more phototealistic than a photo, so they moved into impressionism* and depicting the FEELING that couldn't be seen by a camera (especially color) *I'm oversimplifying, this was probably one of many factors that gave birth to the impressionism movement
haha its funny you bring that up actually, i was doing some archival research into what some members of the painting community were saying at the advent of photography, and sooo many people were insistent that 'photography isnt art'. of course, we would disagree with that today :) others were more nuanced, and pointed out that some photography was done tastefully, with a human eye guiding the machine to produce creations that otherwise would've been near impossible, whilst others simply produced unwanted produced photography slop. i think this is the perfect analogy for what is happening today. photography didnt kill painting, ai wont kill art. its just another medium, like it or not. every medium has its own appeals. it is silly to say that there isnt an appeal to some ai art, because truthfully there is some good stuff out there. the scammers will leave eventually, and then people will just make really creative pieces with it, just as people make cool stuff painting. sure, some things will change (ie sculpting isnt what it was in the renaissance), but what stays the same forever? new artforms will spring up in its place. great take mr tv-8-301 :D
In this way, and I'll probably get shit for this, I believe actually transformative AI art can still be achieved when used as a tool. Of course you don't go around taking pictures of pretty landscapes and compare it to a painting, a more advanced tool shouldn't replicate what's come before it but move forward to territories previously uncharted. Same with the drum machine, you cant program drums and compare yourself to a drummer. If you want to innovate, you make sounds previously unheard, you bump up the bpm to inhuman speeds, you add crazy effects, reverse it, etc. Plenty of "bad" AI art has given me profound, sometimes new emotions usually about the passage of time. Yes, no human was behind it, but what stops a human from appreciating a landscape, or the way a fog shapes a mountain from afar? These phenomena are devoid of any real context or sublime quality save for the witnesses that give it that quality. Another thing is that we call these AI abominations "bad" but why would it be "good" for it to faithfully replicate something we've already seen before? Imo, this goes back to photography, if you capture something unheard of in what we've seen in paintings, would we call that "bad" photography? It's not that it "fails" to be a painting, no tool is above the other, they only relate to each other. Deleuze calls this the rhizome, mimicking the system of mycelia instead of the hierarchical branches of a tree.
@@canti7951 i agree! for example some of the stuff created with illusion diffusion and control net really blew my mind, inspiring a sense of childlike wonder that i hadnt experienced since looking at an mc escher piece for the first time as a wee little tacker :D ai shouldnt replace the art we already have, it should be a supplementary medium with different appeals and use cases. it wont be for everyone, just like how abstract art isnt for everyone. but that doesnt mean its worthless
@@WoolyCow I'm also an illustrator and although I get the insecurity the art community is feeling about AI, it's still fun to experiment with because it can have such unpredictable results. It's more fun if you don't have a full idea already in mind and are trying to use a billion prompts to get the outcome exactly right-- Instead, I like to give Stable Diffusion as vague, open-to-interpretation descriptions as possible to see what it comes up with. The image-to-image function is fun too, because I give it really simple, low-detail drawings, and some of its interpretations are completely off the wall! One example, I drew two cats, one red and one blue, and ST interpreted them as women but still gave them cat ears lol
@@TV-8-301 "I drew two cats, one red and one blue, and ST interpreted them as women but still gave them cat ears lol" hmmm i wonder what websites were scraped to acquire this training data!?!?
Ive been studying under some art directors for a while now and that has also taught me a lot about the fundamental value in art/illustration. People don't really care that much about technical quality as much as they care about the ideas expressed. If you have good ideas, a rough drawing can speak louder than a technical drawing. However I've also learnt that a technically competent illustration is still important, because it protects your ideas. Its easier to pitch an idea if it looks well made, and that you really mean it
Author currently looking for a cover artist for my fantasy novel, and boy...yeeeeeeesh. SO many slop AI "portfolios" to sift through. It's genuinely a slog. I just want to pay a HUMAN for their ART.
this is why i love dada and the surrealist movements so much. i’d argue our perception of modern/contemporary art has evolved from dada and surrealist roots! a group of people, many young adults in their twenties, disillusioned with society and traumatized from the first world war, they were anti-capitalist, anti-war, anti-establishment. they completely flipped the idea of what art could be on it’s head! their works seemed meaningless and random, but they are rich in context and ideas that go beyond just a pretty picture. they rejected the norms of what was popular(pretty oil paintings for rich people to buy); they embraced the absurd and the weird, and truly revolutionized what we perceive as art. IMO such under appreciated movements within art history! i think so many of their ideas from about a century ago have never been more relevant. the world is going insane but we’re here, we’re human beings that think and feel and love and grieve and still we hope. they can try to beat us down and tell us “this is the way the world is, this is the future, get used it” but we won’t let them take our love of art and our need to create away from us. art is so fundamental to the human experience, it has evolved over time along with us, we shape it and it shapes us, a symbiotic relationship. even if they try to tell us what art should be, have we, the artists, ever listened? the more i think about it, the less worried i get (but there still is the very real reality of people losing their jobs, currently and going into the future as ai keeps advancing) but still, what i mean is, i find comfort in that i know artists will do what we have done since the days of cave paintings, answering that undeniable, inescapable urge to create. every time i see the silhouettes of those hand prints from thousands of years ago, i feel this connnection to people that lived so long before me. why did they feel the need to make those, what purpose did it serve other than “i am a human being, i live here, this hand is me, i exist, i was here” it’s the the same as people writing their name on a picnic table or a tree or a fence post “i was here” in a way, isn’t all art similar? i am here, i have thoughts about things, i am making this thing to show my thoughts about those things” and like ai will never have that, like, EVER. i don’t care what tech bro wants to say ai will reach sentience, or how similar a brain is to a computer, it will never be the same thing, and so ai will never be able to create art, REAL art. fuck this is too long i’m sorry and probably a very rambly mess, i just have so many thoughts about this, i could write so much more! i just love art so much and i love people and our capacity to connect through art, it makes me genuinely emotional
@Influence417 you so right!!! me SO sorry! me brain just stupid human brain :( i not as smart as robot :( me don’t know how to space things right :( plz PLZ me hope u forgive me stupid human brain 🫶
i love rambles like these SO much. *THANK YOU* for this comment! Like genuinely, it said and connected dots and pieces of the story that I've learned and have been drifting around in my head and gave me even more to think about. Never stop rambling, it feels just as genuine and human as a handprint and our need to create. This is small - just a comment out there in the many - but it makes an impact on everyone who reads it, it resonates because your rambling is your expression of the need to communicate your thoughts and perspective and your deep and utter love for just… humanity. Thank you.
@gjk-arts5855 thank YOU for this comment, this gave me a huge smile! i truly believe more than anything our desire for connection is so universal, and art is one of the most powerful tools for connection that exists! i’m so BORED with these edge lord troll types who have this “too long, didn’t read, don’t care” mentality, absolutely nothing interesting or engaging to contribute to the conversation 🙄 being passionate, deeply caring about something, is actually pretty fuckin cool! and personally, i’d much rather use my finite time on this earth to encourage more love and empathy, and foster a connection through our shared passions. i GENUINELY believe every human being has a creative urge that is screaming to be let out. art is so much more than this teeny tiny box some people want to put it in!! art is a feeling, art is connection! art is that recipe only your grandma knows how to make that takes you back to when you were 8 and the future stretched on forever, art is a weird string of words you see on a sign that makes a poem in your head, art is a fuckin plumber creating a rubegoldberg-esque configuration of copper pipes that functions beautifully and looks beautiful while doing it, art is a toddler smudging random colors of paint on a piece of computer paper to give to their parent because they wanted to give their parent something that represented their love! (truly, i could go on! haha) so much about our modern world devalues creativity! on top of that, i think internet culture has normalized this behavior to dismiss something you don’t immediately understand, rather than looking at its as an opportunity to learn something new. even if you ultimately disagree with the concept after learning about it, you walk away as a more informed interesting person! anyway i appreciate your comment! it makes my heart happy when i can connect with another human being, ESPECIALLY through art and topics like this 💚
My take away is that my lazy pieces, the ones where you can still see the sketch lines, the eraser marks are obvious, and there isn't clearly defined lineart, are my best works. There's meaning in the half finished work. Even if it's "I didn't feel like doing line art", that's meaning that AI could never replicate. There's a lot of love put into every piece, and passion for the source material. It's really the journey that makes art valuable.
tbh I think this is the best video I've found so far on this topic when photography happened, many were afraid becasue there's no reason to have this perfect photographic drawing, a camera could produce it in hours, and then seconds we don't really watch realistic animation now, and we don't try to find something extremely realistic, we did start to look for something creative and interesting In case of ai, concept artists are still important, so far ai can't make good interesting concepts, and this is what we can prioritise. Maybe someone needs an artwork to visualise their dnd character, talking and giving feedback to an artist [esp digital] would be much better than giving prompts and accidentaly chaning the entire artstyle randomly. The Modern artists tried to find their way away from photography, the artists of today need to find something else that only humans are able to replicate.
I think that the generative art craze just exposed how little average people have always been interested in engaging with art on an intellectual level. And I don't mean it in a sense that they are stupid or anything elitist like that, but very few people actually want to think about anything beyond the looks. I find that doing fanart is quite a good modern medium, since people are invested in the characters and will pay more attention when you put them in unusual situations or elevate some important characteristic. I do still look down on pretentious meta art, because I think there is only so much subversion can bring to the table and it has been done to death in post-modernism. But some of my all time favorite illustrators are actually quite bad at their craft. Yet, whenever I see their new piece in my feed I get really excited, because they still capture really cool energy in their works.
to sum this video: art is communication. thats why anyone can do it. lets encourage one another to communicate , no matter how technically "good" it is. thats a very wonderful thing to say, and i am here for it.
Spot on, unfortunately our industry has made us into machines endlessly producing for mediocre products and now they want to replace us with areal machine, the only way to beat a machine is to be human guys, don't treat your art like a product but as an experience that you share with other humans.
I've been saying this more and more recently, but I think a lot of people now start art with the idea of "Oh I can make a lot of money from this" rather than "I think this is fun I want to do this" I think everyone's focus on wanting to monetize everything ASAP is a big issue and I notice a lot of beginner artist especially are upset about AI and I think that's because a lot of beginner artist now have to work harder to meet a standard that people will go "oh wow that's nice here is some money!". The bar of what people consider better than average now is paired to AI at least for the average person given the easy of use of AI and it being cheaper. but AI at the end of the day is a tool it's still very new especially in it's current state who knows it's actual future (currently it's had a lot of money invested but very little of that has actually been returned in real profit.) We are all just guessing it will replace all artist which it will never do so long as humans keep creating. That's the thing if you want to do art do it because you want to not for money or anything else create because it's what you want to create you want to improve and study great do it because you want to not because of any other reason. Money will only take you so far and will just leave you empty do it because you love it, artist will never die as long as the desire to create is still there and people keep passing it on even if Ai replaces all creative jobs which I also doubt it ever will because Ai without a person helping it is pretty bad and regulations on it and court cases are constantly popping up maybe in the more big office artist jobs but many studios outright do not want to use AI and in general those larger studios exploit artist already by overworking them and underpaying them so if it replaces those jobs I don't exactly see that as a bad thing. Just gives indie's more room to shine that choose to take on an actual artist which many do and will pay artist. Ai's future is very undetermined but if AI stops you from wanting to draw this is cold and cruel to say but maybe art just wasn't for you and never will be as someone will always be better and in this case Ai is better so if it alone is your reason for quitting sorry but you probably would have eventually anyways you just did it sooner than you otherwise would have. Create for you, it's fine to post stuff wanting attention or admiration but create for you do it because you love it and if you hate it don't do it or find a way to make it more fun if you actually want to stick with it and honestly just turn a blind eye to Ai or don't but do not let it discourage you because at the end of the day Ai cannot replace what you create. It could make a copy or something similar but not what you created because you created it with your own mind and feel and technique/style. Ai is neither good nor evil simply the people who use it and decide how to use it can be better or worse
Probably a bit off topic but One thing I've realised and started thinking about these past weeks, even indulging in it myself as a digital artist, is the potential trend that might end up growing in the art community as a response of trying to separate from the technical looks of the usual art styles that AI have stolen. I think of it like this; The most commonly popular art style for hundreds of years was realism, trying to capture the world as accurate to the human eye as possible. Then photography came along, and soon with coincidental timing the art world began to give attention and pick up on styles and expressions that had less commonly if ever seen the mainstream to this point, now giving space to everything from cartoons to abstractions and so much more alongside the old realism. It's def a rough generalization of a complicated history but I cannot help but to get the same feeling. Artists moving into more unique styles to differentiate from the AI look out of disgust, trying art mediums it cannot compete in and otherwise do everything in their power to imbue their work with as much passion, care, meaning and human spirit that AI will never fundamentally achieve. Tldr; We will survive, we will adapt and we will prosper, no matter what we need to do cause I know damn well we're willing to do it to keep this human culture alive
One argument I hate surrounding contemporary art is the "I could have done that myself." Yes. Yes, my guy, you could have made it. You could have drawn a circle on a canvas. *But you didn't.* That canvas isn't art for how it looks like. It's art for having an *artist* behind it. Someone made it, a real person put real feelings into it. And no, I don't understand every abstract art. Hell I don't understand what *most* abstract art could be about, I won't pretend. But someone felt something while doing it and decided to share it with the world. There's a reason it's important to learn about the life of artists, and not just their works, because it's one thing to know a poem is about a rebellion, and another to know it was about *this* rebellion specifically. (And then there are technical marvels, like how (in)visible brush strokes are, etc.)
The best way to beat AI art is to get commissions from furries. They have surprisingly deep pockets and they're willing to support the craft of real humans.
I've seen a lot of people who have never taken an art history lesson, recently rediscovering why abstract art was popularized at the same time photography became widespread, lol.
I want to make an AI that protects images and videos on the internet by having the AI teach existing AI to forget data sets. I think its very possible and it would force all AI thats on the Internet to go offline, not destroying their AI, but making it so they have to use original hand crafted content for their AI to train off of. This AI would be a teaching AI instead of a learning as well so wouldnt have to worry about this AI deleting its own memory and stuff.
I’ve heard of Nightshade - it’s a filter you put over artwork to “confuse” AI algorithms when they scrape social media for new input. Nightshade works by implanting pixels over the artwork that confuse AI into thinking the picture is of something else-if, say, you drew a cat, then Nighshade could instead carefully add pixels to make the AI bots see a glass jar or a horse. But AI still thinks that is what cats should look like. So eventually, if enough artwork with Nightshade is added into AI libraries, if someone tried to generate “cat”, then they would start getting jars and horses instead. It’s unfortunate that this is a per-artwork solution and not a system-wide solution, but at the very least there are people out there working to bring down the machines from the inside out.
Beautiful video!!! I was waiting for someone more mainstream in the community to send this message and Im so glad you did. Making art just for the sake of creating, having fun and expressing the human experience through the art of creating anything is the best thing about being alive (At least in mt opinion) and I think too many people forget why making art is important and get caught up in how it looks or how imperfect it might me, making the process feel bad and forgetting why making art is so important to us artists ❤
2:30 You're right they really don't care. Most people are stupid and they don't care until it happens to them. With AI that's a given it's only a matter of when.
This is exactly what i've been thinking. Everyone dissed on contemporary art. Saying that its meaning isn't important. But truly, authenticity is the most valuable thing in art. Art isn't supposed to inflict, but rather to express.
ai may be able to generate pretty anime girls, but it will never be able to replicate my drawings of spamton deltarune as an opossum in a hanna-barbera esque art style with a missing hand because i was too lazy to draw it. im being serious by the way, ai is *horrible* at generating portraits of spamton. i found that out on accident a few days ago cause i was looking up images of him and found an ai ''art'' portrait of (supposedly) him and it was just another boring anime girl. on a broader level, ai is terrible at generating anything outside of that anime or disney-pixar looking bubble. it cant generate art of its own, art with integrity, or art with a soul behind it. even if my art looks worse than ai (i personally believe it doesn't, i just think my art is very stylized), i still see my sometimes admittedly crappy spamton fanarts better than anything ai can create because there was an actual person who made it, which was me
I love this video. I've already watched so many videos about ai "art" and different opinions and pov's, but I feel like this video made me see art from a different perspective, an amazing one that I resonate with. It just clicked something in my brain. Art isn't about likes or views, it's about having fun. At least for me it is. So... Why should I care if AI made something better than me? I'm doing what I like. I do have a thought behind it, I do have a meaning. AI "art"... Doesn't. THIS is the reason why I don't like AI "art", and this is also the reason why from now on, I won't care about AI "art". I'll do art for myself, and if improving is what makes me happy then... I'll learn, and improve. I'll do what I want when I want how I want because at the end of the day that's what I decide to do. Man this came out WAY longer than I expected...
You're a *really* good speaker dude. I love how you outlined what makes AI so worrying in particular, and the broader implications going on in the world! Giving my own artwork meaning, purpose and messages has been a big desire for me, so I can share what I think others could learn from. So I feel like I'm going to get a lot of value from your channel. Subscribed.
I really needed this video. I’ve been hitting a brick wall when it comes to what type of art motivates me to make it, and I always come back to my characters. My stories, my world building that is fulled by my personal interests. Do I know how to technically draw those things? Or do I have the perfect character design for the species of creature I’m trying to design? No to both. But I’m teaching myself to enjoy the process of trying
I’ve always thought that the rise of AI image generation will only cause for its style (hyperpolished realistic glossy stock photos, pseudo-Pixar cartoon people, and anime girls) to fall out of favor, causing the mainstream to start gravitating towards increasingly messy, unpolished art
That speech was very inspiring and motivating. I've only known you for a few months but I come back every now and then to learn something new. thank you for teaching me.
Just like Jerrel Dulay (aka the president of gamers) from Sungrand Studios said in his Concord vs. Overwatch character designs video. "In art the absolutely most important thing is intent, what are you saying with your art. This is why when it comes to AI generated imagery I have never used the word "art" to describe it, because art has intent." I highly agree with his take and I think many of us, artists, we should remove "AI Art" from our vocabulary as means to stop contributing the confusion of such clashing terms. On the other hand, I don't really think contemporary art is a good comparison for this video. Something more akin to the works from everyday artists would have been a much better comparison, some examples would be the wecomic version of One Punch Man, the start of the Attack on Titan manga or the art of Lisa the Painful.
Lisa the painful is my favorite game! The art and music is so raw and conveys emotion better than AAA graphics would, because you fill in the "blanks" of the pixel sprites yourself.
I’m quite stunned by the fact most people start drawing without understanding the art isn’t just visual beauty, but also conceptual meaning. And that’s also why most people just don’t care about the AI situation.
As a teen, I used to go to my mum to the Tate modern in London. And it would give me the biggest boost possible, because it made me realise that I was already "good enough". There was everything from highly skilled, highly detailed Dali paintings to "Untitled (Bacchus)" series which are just big red scribbles, and all these things, however simple or not, they still looked *good*. They looked good because they were interesting, or suprising, or funny. They were good because they made you go "dude, what the hell is that?!" Even if you thought "this is terrible, what a scam" you still *thought*, and sometimes the thought was "how is this picture, which is nothing more than a giant block of colour, REALLY wigging me out right now?". A lot of the principles that make contemporary "modern" art look good or not look good also feed into and help make technical art a lot better (e.g. colour theory, shape theory, rhythm, movement, negative space, scale etc.) I do love it (and the museum just has a fantastic book shop to boot 👌🏻)
This is exactly what the art community/space needs to hear tbh. There hasn’t been very much large innovation in the younger art spaces ever since maybe the VTuber boom and the rise of 3D modelling. But giving your random waifu characters actually context and background behind them makes them more than just a 2-second view on my social media feed before I scroll away to consume 50 more 2-second enjoyment art pieces for the day.
This is the first video of yours that I've watched. I heave really nothing else to say. May people here already put it in much better words than I ever could. The only thing left for me to say is... thank you. Thank you very much for this video! It brought me a new perspective on things!
I love just silly doodles. That’s a big reason that I hate AI images. Those aren’t doodles, they aren’t ideas that someone had and then put them down on paper. They’re images trying to recreate that, but without any of the randomness behind it. Recently I made an artwork that I’m really proud of. It’s a little outline of a cat sitting sadly on a planet. The background is lots of colours on a black background. I used my fingers and some splatters to get a lot of chaos in the background, and that’s the point. The background is chaos because it’s literally supposed to be chaos. A sad cat alone in chaos. I also used some oil pastels on the cat itself to make it kinda look like a kid drew the cat, because i wanted it to look like that. AI will never be able to make a similar image, I don’t think. The multiple mediums pared with two different styles makes it so that AI probably wouldn’t generate something like that
genuinely i think you're right and i would love if this took off. it's been many years since i posted art or did art regularly, because feeling the pressure of posting for the algorithm was draining. but this video made me want to start doing it again, for myself, and share it with a caption that explores why i drew the way i drew, what was the process and all those things. i absolutely love this, give concept back to art, dont let it be just mindless consumption
omg i've been feeling super scared about ai and been watching a lot of videos like this but i think this is genuinely one of the only ones which actually gave me some sort of hope or at least look at things from a new perspective.
Kaycern, first time coming across you. The end is Exactly why I feel like my business is going to take off when I put it out there. Sure someone else can do it. Sure a bigger company can take my concept. Sure it might not be super technical. But it won't be mass produced, or created by machines. I plan on only even releasing ONE of every single design I come up with. Now, there could be multiple iterations, orientations, and transformations of the said design, but akin to an actual collector's item and not just a digital NFT, this will genuinely be yours. The only one that is or ever will be in existence. There will only be a set amount of a drop before it is gone. In this coming age, exclusivity and originality are going to reign. Eventually, people will be seeking the flaws instead of the perfection.
I feel like on of the big reasons we’ve all become obsessed with this perfection/attention loop has a lot to do with money. Specifically your ability to earn money making art. I know that’s been what drove me for the past few years. But now that the algorithm has decided I am not going to grow my Instagram anymore… I’m left sort of floundering about what I can even do anymore. But on the bright side, I make art now because I like it. It doesn’t always perform well, but I make stuff I’m proud to be able to make. And that’s something… I guess. lol
REAL! This is all so true. With AI Art I feel so disconnected but with other artists I like there’s the human aspect. I know that they love these subjects and it drives them to just keep making art. That’s what I like
TL;DR The best way to counter AI in creating art is by giving it meaning.. arguably the initial point of art anyhow. Well-made video, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers of things.
Im 20 years old had my birthday on 2nd of november. My friends gave me a sketchbook and a marker as a present so I can start creating. My age is a great time to start accepting and developing my talent. I love drawing now and made a whole month of progress of drawing almost every day. I love what I am creating.
Finally, someone who can resonate with me on the view of what art means to us humans and why we do it in the first place! We have been so focused on the technicals and competitions that we overlook the emotions and carefully set up meanings we packed into our art.
"Just because you could have done it yourself doesn't mean it has no value, after all, they *did* do it" I will always stand by weird or strange art, however "the red dot" style painting that sells for 500mil USD is rich people avoiding taxes and money laundering, and most of the time the art itself makes no difference and is never even actually looked at outside of auction and spends the rest of its time sitting in a warehouse called a "freeport" which on paper means it is legally considered to be "in transit" (even though it will spend often it's entire existance in 1 place) which is how it avoids being taxed
i think its better to seperate the art from the art market. rich people will use anything remotely decent to do a tax writeoff, no reason to discredit the art just because the people who bought it dont have good interests
@ exactly that's why I say it's best to look at the art for what it actually is, and while I like some 'modern' art I don't like all of it. I think it's best to have a post-modern view and just go woth what you like but also don't discredit what you don't like immediately. But unfortunately since you can't totally seperate 'art' from the society we live in, there is stuff that is just a "red dot" with no artistic intent whatsoever created entirely for profit and nothing else, along with ai images which I will say is "not real art" even if I find it athstetically pleasing
Been having plenty of fun making my tiny creatures and chilling with my art, posting to bluesky hasn’t been fruitful, but I’m loving all the art I see on there so hopefully we’re already going in the right direction
The only way I can see ai images being ‘okay’ in the art space is if it’s used as INSPIRATION. Not the final product, not as a reference, and frankly I don’t even know how much you can edit the image yourself before/if it’s even considered art. Simply a jumping off point for YOU to create. Regardless, this is the most eloquently stated reason why art is art. What the artist portrays gives the audience a feeling. If it’s fun, people will find it fun! I think art and writing is one of the most pure forms of conversation and connection. And for those who think ai should never be involved, I perfectly understand. ESPECIALLY from the point of a-holes demeaning the value of art (‘why pay when ai can do it better’) and mimicking an artist’s style. And companies trying to soulessly replace hired artists with something that doesn’t demand rights or fairness. This is a newer(?) subject and my opinion on the matter’s still being shaped. …sorry for the essay, this does mean a lot to me.
I have struggled a lot with this, trying to make the perfect vintage pulp comics style and I was stuck in this loop of trying to get it perfect. Then one day I ended up clicking the with the fill tool on the same layer as the line and it sort of ate a bite of the line art and I thought it looked horrible, but it gave an interested texture.Then I just realized that trying to make the images perfect was robbing me of the impact that I wanted in the image.
i think a lot of people underestimate what is outside the realm of pure technical skill, to me atmosphere, composition and sort of the foundational bigger picture of a piece is what brings it the most value
yeah, the shallowness of AI art only makes me realize further that the worst of deviantART Sonic OCs drawn on piece of torn notebook paper are still better than AI 'art', because it shows someone making what they want and have the courage to share. I never laughed at them, I got the same indifferent feeling when someone critiques or compliments things I did and just numbed out; that's because people don't care what anyone else is creating for their own sake, it must be 'for others', 'for publicly good', 'non-offensive', etc., thats what people outside the art niche don't have to me or the artist's fandom/niche to connect with, let alone make critique
I always had the idea that everything can have beauty, sure it’s not perfect and some is definitely objectively bad and wrong… but when I saw people shame aspiring artists I would always think “no one will ever make that artwork again” I realised what you make with your hands is more important then how “beautiful” or “perfect” it is, just make what you want and share it regardless if it’s “cringe”
I've always felt the same way about AI art as I have from the start, when I see AI art I view it as typically a one time thing if I like it, but if its a human artist then it becomes something I'll come back to. Because in my eyes AI art is meant to be enjoyed due to its soulless nature, while human art is meant to also be appreciated and even analyzed. The only time I've found myself coming back to an AI work is when I was drawing and intentionally chose to use an AI image which someone else had generated ad the reference, and nsfw AI art because when it comes to nsfw idc if its AI if it looks good to me. Though most of the AI stuff I see is sloppily posted in large batches that look bad, but there are some people who clearly know how to generate good stuff with AI.
there are several million drawings of all kinds of different fantasy characters that you can grab from the internet. sure it's stealing, but you're just using it between your friends.
By a lot of extension, online art as a phenomenon is pretty young compared to the actual broader art world and its many nuances. And by comparison, AI as a new form of _something_ is also new and would need to prove itself even further if it's going to be taken seriously. Because right now AI images peddling itself as "art" in both online and actual museum spaces is laughably and embarrassingly unoriginal. I'd take weird contemporary art and Taped Banana any day than AI
I think most folks don’t understand why “modern art” happened. It’s not just one moment but decades of artist come to this same conclusion of “pointlessness” in only a pretty picture!
So what you're saying is I should pump out AI art, slap a meaning full story on it and everybody's gonna buy my stuff😂 Jk jk, but it's a good point that meaning is going to be a larger part of selling art now. Also if you can get into niche markets and put your own twist on it. I follow someone who makes scenes from horror films in a Ghibli style art, something to set yourself apart.
I've been noticing since I started using social media to make my art I haven't gone beyond a stage beyond, it looks good. The things I've been doing for a few years now haven't impacted me or reflected anything about me in any way, it's like a big dessert out of nothing. I hope I can gain some independence from the technique to explore more narrative themes
Oh man, you totally moved me here (some credit is due to the piano song at the end it must be said). And so l'm going to answer your question at 2:43 because the answer is staring at us in the face: What can we do as artists? ART. Simply because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AI ART. This can't be stated enough. People have grown accustomed to called any type of content "art". It's never been a better time to be an artist than today. It's time to bring back the full force of the concept of art to the table, and out of hundreds of videos l've watched on the subject, l think you are the first one to hit the nail.
"I've seen an agent punch through a concrete wall; men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air; yet, their strength, and their speed, are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong, or as fast, as you can be" -Morpheus
I saw a quote that basically said “if you’re an artist you have something AI ‘artists’ will never have- you don’t need a computer to do it.” & that made me feel so much better. AI needs people like me to work, & those who use AI will never be distinct from one another. They are the equivalent to someone using google docs or something.
Bashing AI art for the sake of bashing on it never really felt right to me, like, I've always hated the fact that it comes from stolen artwork, but just attacking the people who use it didn't really click with me. That's why I think this opinion resonates far better with me than anything anti AI I've heard before; rather than shaming and attacking people who use AI, we should sensitize them to the value of the people who make said art, independent of at what skill-level they are. I think that's something worth standing for.
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No matter how good AI gets, seing someone draw or paint something from start to finish will never not feel like magic.
Sadly, ai tech fags tried to make speedpaint/ traditional art time-lapse possible through ai- now they really out for artist's blood ;-;
no but seriously i love watching people draw its my favourite thing on earth, ure so right
AI would then autogenerate such videos.
The problem has deeper roots.
@@Dowlphini always think the problem is "reposting", AI art isn't evil but it definitely add a new way to repost other's work
@@fakestory1753 AI art is the product of a techno-crutch built on mass copyright violation, with a giant energy hunger, developed by criminal business in a genocidal empire.
4:09 dude, I GASPED on this moment. holy shit. I just realized that I can simply post sketches and WIPs, because some people would still genuinely enjoy it, even if it's an unfinished drawing. because I would enjoy it too, while scrolling my favourite artist's page.. because sometimes even simple drawings can amaze, make you feel..feelings, can portray some thought. and, knowing that someone worked on this, put their own soul into theirs piece of art... it makes me feel warmth. that's about it.
Sometimes it looks cooler if you leave some unfinished and do a fade at the edge
@@Redbean3141 YEAHHH I love that!! sketches have their own vibe, sometimes I love them even better than full artwork
Great! Now we're feeding the models sketches as well as full artworks, so in the future they can copy even that!
By the way, there already are speedpaint video models that fake the creation process. Sooooo, no, this is probably not a long-term solution either.
@@grox2417 ooh well!! by making that comment I was meaning motivation in overall (bc I've always struggled with it and refused to post anything but full work, due to fear that it will look messy), not thinking of AI thing by that moment- but yeah, sad that's a thing too now :( I wonder if we can stop it with something other than just stop posting anything at all..
@grox2417 it wasn't meant to be a solution to Ai, it was about how you can make unfinished art look cool
It's normal to he afraid of AI especially in a system where corporations prioritize their bottom line, even if it hurts them in the long term and are awarded for it.
@tflees Funny "artists" say that then they fight along aide these corporations aganist open source AI so corpos can have total dominance and control over the market, then they cry about it ... great strategy cotton 👍
Coca cola has already begun building the doomsday machine from the hit novel, dont build the doomsday machine
I wouldn't be worried about it otherwise. I work in IT, and what you mentioned is basically the only reason I'm a bit of a technophobe. Well, that and people's apparent expectation that computers just work flawlessly and don't have any weakpoints, contributing to the lack of IT security and data protection.
Technology is awesome, and in a just world I would treat it as such
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 what novel are you talking about? I couldn't find it, and I guess you probably jokingly changed the title
@@frohnatur9806the book is "Don't build the Torment Nexus", dunno why they changed the title lol
"If a human didn't bother to draw it, why should I, a human, bother to look at it" is my take on AI
Love that
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Good idea! We need AI for watching the AI art. Because someone has to. =)
Personally for me the main thing in art is an idea but not how much time was spend to make it. AI is a tool. It can replace only art manufacturers(have no ideas just draw good looking pics). For the true artists it is helpful tool
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I don't fear AI replacing artists. The technology appears to have already plateaued, and improvements have slowed to a crawl the past year or so, despite the huge amount of cash that's being pumped into its research. Ultimately these generators are just statistics machines, pumping out a statistically average result that checks all the boxes of its given prompt. Nothing they generate will ever be anything more than a novelty. I don't really post my art online anymore, and while AI played a role in that, the bigger factor was that I realized that playing the numbers game with social media simply caused me more grief than keeping my work to myself. I'd rather my work go unseen by my own choice rather than go unseen because it was ignored. I'd rather share it with a caring few than be given the cold shoulder from the uncaring masses. I make "pretty pictures" not to make a statement, but simply to manifest the "pretty pictures" I see in my mind into the physical world and feel the satisfaction and accomplishment of doing so. The kind of satisfaction and accomplishment I'd never get from simply throwing random prompts at the wall until something sticks.
or you can rig your art such that AI would see garbage but humans see art
I just hate how cluttered with AI generated shit now google and pinterest is
@@dyadyabafomyot1668 use udm14, it's just google without the AI
Machine Learning makes a "Pretty Picture" once in a blue moon. The technology that's been improving a lot recently is Img2Img basically tracing. Txt2Img is still garbage. AI is all dependent on it's database. Machine Learning Algorithms are a bunch of artificial neurons that recognize patterns. The weights are basically what is programmed into it in order for some artifical neurons to be favored. It's all dependent on weighted averages. It's literally a slot machine that depends on stolen art to predict the next pixel. If all artists quit social media AI gets worse because it literally depends on us to function. Without artists "AI Art" would be nothing. If you stared an AI off training off cave painting that's all it would spit out. Humans on the other know how to experiment and make something new and original.
@@mysteryguitarhaziq Image poisoning doesn't work. AI is a de-noise algorithm, you're just making the AI get stronger adding more noise.
A sloppy sketch from a human hand will always have more meaning than the most perfectly rendered AI slop.
I also smell my own farts too dude
That implies everything automatically has meaning, you’ve never seen the pipeline of a product, many things that are added without any purpose other than noise & filler. That reminds me of the conspiracy theories about Spoon pictures in The Room, there was no reason for the spoon pictures, they just found random images without caring what was in it.
I mean not necessarily, a random drawing someone does quickly without thinking or caring i imagine has the same meaning as any ai slop.
@@chewy99.Humans have a reason to do stuff, Ai does not
Even if the inspiration for doing such a quick sketch is boredom that gives the drawing more meaning than no meaning at all
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I use to hate modern art too until I watched an interview of why the artist did it. I realized we all have a reason to do art and I started to appreciate it.
i really hate when ppl hate on modern art or any art because art is supposed to convey a message and even if you personnaly don't understand it, it dosen't mean it's not art or bad art. Art is so much more than just something you can see and a lot of peoples refuse to understand that and it's annoying :(
@@saix_unicorn I have to ask, what's the meaning and artistic value of a banana stuck to a wall? Why would someone pay thousands of dollars for it when they can easily do it themselves?
@el_mr6439 the banana was a critique of what rich peoples consider art. The whole point of it was to make it ridiculous
@@el_mr6439 Look up dadaism. Learn a little about art movements in history, their all a reaction to the current trends of their time, it's actually really cool if, you know, you have interest in art.
@@el_mr6439 then a tech bro buys it and promotes the concept of getting the "certificate" of said art akin to crypto.
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I saw a local music shop that I frequently visit have a new logo that is clearly AI-generated, and i genuinely got upset. I also realized, as man made art and logos etc gets more scarce compared to Ai-generated stuff, i tend to actively look for and appreciate the man made things, the craftmanship etc. Not surprised if more people feel the same way, or will in the future.
There may be a day where an actual selling point of a product is the fact it *doesn't* use AI
If they gave someone some free coffees, they would do the logo in a heartbeat. AI is often used because its the "easy" way out when it just harms in the long term
Ai ad fells like the shop offers no quality
Youre mad that a small business isnt going to fork out money for a logo? And why are you even upset with it too? I dont get this shitting and pissing ones self over ai.
This is something I think about a lot when it comes to this topic! No matter how far ai comes and goes, there will ALWAYS be a market for actual art made my actual people even if simply for the novelty of it. An AI won’t understand the personal meanings behind a piece in the same way a human does, if at all. Even if two pieces can fundamentally LOOK the same, the intention and love put into it can give it value.
The one thing both digital and traditional artists can both do that AI can't - is make *anything* during a power outage. You think AI's gonna be leaving doodles on college white boards or napkins at a cafe? You can't replace us in the ways that matter.
"You can't replace us in the ways that matter."
I love this. Thank you for sharing
@Lioru92 Tonight I had a spat with a good friend and couldn't stay mad after I made a vent sketch joking about gnawing his legs off. I've been drawing all of three months, it's not a good sketch, but what makes it so funny and what made me feel better after drawing it, is a kind of magic that could never be replicated by AI. I could've spent three hours trying to prompt a bot to make a hilarious 😑 face that vaguely resembles one of my OC's, but then all the magic of having this silly sketch bubble up on the page and erase my anger would've never happened.
Especially considering the monumental energy requests further AI needs. Trump said that Elon requested Double the total energy output of the current U.S. for his AI. Like seriously??? Fuck that shit. Give that budget to NASA, not Elon so he can further his own goals.
@johngddr5288 This guy wants to US to double its energy output for him to spend on his own personal whims. Buddy, if you wanted to be a king you should have married into the Saudis.
isn't it that quote from a tumblr shitpost?
I really hate the learned helplessness AI and tech bros are encouraging. Their only argument is “why do ___ when ai can just do it for me?”, they don’t want to learn anything, they don’t want to try anything new, they don’t want to challenge themselves. All these people want to do is sit like in one place and have everything handed to them like a baby. It’s a sad and frankly pathetic way to live your life and I just can’t support it.
Exactly! I’ve seen so many people- even my close friends- try to tell me that I if I’m not making money off of art or if I’m in a rush, then I should just let AI do it for me! Recently, one of my friends was creating an art piece for her class and used AI to finish the rest because she didn’t have time. I wish I could do something to help REAL artists!
THANK YOU FOR PROPERLY WORDING MY THOUGHTS
I think they took the wrong lesson from WALL-E and decided they'd rather live in a pod watching AI-generated Marvel movies while computers print imaginary money for them.
? How about you do you? Do what YOU want to do?
I think making a Muskite AI-loving tech bro watch the movie _Woman in the Dunes_ is analogous to something in contemporary society obliterating a small Victorian child.
coke's newest AI generated ad is looking good i'm not gonna doubt that, but... it just feels so detached, like... the dude lifting up a coke bottle, smiling, but the eyes are soulless and his smile is uncanny
there’s also a polar bear ai generated one too of coca cola
That one Spongebob movie scene with Spongebob winning a Krabby Patty competition against the guy who can summon thousands of Krabby Patties at will because he made it with love is becoming more and more relevant
The guy in question is Neptune if I'm not wrong. His patties ended up being... not tasty (i don't know how to put it in other ways) because, well, he just summoned it.
There was also a short based on the tale of John Henry where Spongebob beats a Krabby Patty making machine
This is such a Reasonable take on the “AI problem” (with a good solution). Artists need to separate the ‘Technical’ (the Tangibles) from the Creative (Intangibles).
There’s a fantastic Qoute I came across recently that made perfect sense for this situation.
"He who works with his hand, is a laborer.
He who works with his hand and his head, is a craftsman.
He who works with his hand, his head and his heart, is an artist."
AI is just replacing the hand and the head. it’s up to us to bring the “heart” to the game.
Great TED TALK ma man ;). You just added an important piece to the conversation.
id argue that AI doesn't even work with its head. it just takes pictures and throws them up into an image, so really its not even an artificial intelligence, its just artificial.
@@bcmoore671 Ai uses a thing called machine learning. It’s more complex than taking a bunch of images and slapping down a new one. Like artists, it learns from image references and “steals like an artist” in order to create an artwork. So in that case, Ai DOES have a head.
What kesh is trying to get at is that Ai cant make art from the stance of emotion, passion, empathy & etc. It can only mimic humans and do it’s best to pretend it that it put alot of thought/effort behind the work it just pooped out.
Unless a passionate art director prompts ai in a way to show heart, Ai will only poop out recycled content that seems new.
It's not even the good kind of stealing
It can only recognize patterns, not art concepts/thoughts behind it at all. That's why ai generated content is very often attributed to plagiarism in an academic setting (and I'm saying this as someone taking Computer Science). It's because it patches what it saw together without thought, only because it saw something similar to it.
It's not smart enough to understand concepts. It needs an insane amount of sample size to even be near to what we consider as human learning.
So many "artist" are just laborers?
@@bcmoore671"Artificial - yes, Inteligence - no".
“Let’s just create” is a powerful narrative. It’s a phrase I’ve been looking for my art project. Thanks Kaycem.
My greatest fear from ai art is not it getting better, but it stagnating like it is right now and replacing people that ARE BETTER. AI can never be better than a person because it’s only a copy. It can’t remain consistent well enough to be good/appealing. And!! The enormous carbon footprint these machines have is disturbing
At least MS is trying to get some old nuclear plants up and running. Which sounds exactly like it came from a sci-fi film or video game, Code Lyoko and Deus Ex come to mind.
The imperfection of art gives the deep connection as a viewer to the artist themselves. A mistake, or a inability is a feature, like a small bug in a videogame. Sometimes, the bug is what makes a game so great.
Are you talking about ai art, modern art or human art?
@edd9581 human art in general
Great video! Really reminds me of advice my art professor gave me (well, the art professor who taught an art module I took as a Literature major lol)-after asking for feedback on the technical aspects of my art, he asked me why I create. "For fun" was my answer, but also it didn't feel enough for him-because art IS difficult, and its easy to lose that creative drive when it stops being just "fun". He advised that I "create with a purpose". Still trying to figure out what that is (for a fandom? just to visualise cool ideas? to be 'the best'?), but its something that's always stuck with me.
You were already creating with a purpose, for fun.
We can create for ourselves, for our own enjoyment, without having to share it with others or monetize it and still have a purpose.
@@barbaravenuhi agree, creating art for the purpose of getting likes or to make money out of it was actually driving me away from art. when i was younger i used to draw every single day but just because it was fun and i felt accomplished already. We should allow ourselves to create stuff just because it's fun, as simple as that
To express yourself. Always work.
I can confirm this! My best works always come from when I do it FOR something, like a profile picture, or a story, or for video game sprites, or even to just express my love for a certain franchise. I think it has something to do with the fact you have so much energy and passion for it. These things just come flying onto the canvas. It's pretty cool!
1:14 sorry I got scared when your hand went away from the box
the artist has breached containment.
When I first accepted AI "art" wasnt going anywhere, I took a few months to reflect on what made human art important to me and came to this exact same conclusion.
I've been a portrait artist for the past decade, but I recently shut down my social media so I could focus on learning how to draw environments, perspective, and anything I think I need to know to fulfill my new vision for my future as an artist.
I am no longer satisfied drawing simple portraits of pretty instagram women, celebrities, and fictional characters. I want to draw complex pieces about social justice, my childhood, domestic violence, the importance of community, etc. I don't want people to just look at my art and think it's "cute" or "pretty." I want them to stare long and hard and FEEL something. I want my work to resonate with people.
I am genuinely excited for this new era in my artistic journey.
The experience you are going through is exactly what makes art and creativity so special! It leads you to deeper questions, and it's an inner journey that you can track through your different art phases. Art helps you engage fully with life, and if that doesn't make creativity important I don't know what does. Good luck on your journey!! 🎉
The advent of AI generated imagry reminds me of the invention of the camera, and the impact it had on painters at the time. The painters couldn't be more phototealistic than a photo, so they moved into impressionism* and depicting the FEELING that couldn't be seen by a camera (especially color)
*I'm oversimplifying, this was probably one of many factors that gave birth to the impressionism movement
haha its funny you bring that up actually, i was doing some archival research into what some members of the painting community were saying at the advent of photography, and sooo many people were insistent that 'photography isnt art'. of course, we would disagree with that today :)
others were more nuanced, and pointed out that some photography was done tastefully, with a human eye guiding the machine to produce creations that otherwise would've been near impossible, whilst others simply produced unwanted produced photography slop.
i think this is the perfect analogy for what is happening today. photography didnt kill painting, ai wont kill art. its just another medium, like it or not. every medium has its own appeals. it is silly to say that there isnt an appeal to some ai art, because truthfully there is some good stuff out there. the scammers will leave eventually, and then people will just make really creative pieces with it, just as people make cool stuff painting. sure, some things will change (ie sculpting isnt what it was in the renaissance), but what stays the same forever? new artforms will spring up in its place.
great take mr tv-8-301 :D
In this way, and I'll probably get shit for this, I believe actually transformative AI art can still be achieved when used as a tool. Of course you don't go around taking pictures of pretty landscapes and compare it to a painting, a more advanced tool shouldn't replicate what's come before it but move forward to territories previously uncharted. Same with the drum machine, you cant program drums and compare yourself to a drummer. If you want to innovate, you make sounds previously unheard, you bump up the bpm to inhuman speeds, you add crazy effects, reverse it, etc.
Plenty of "bad" AI art has given me profound, sometimes new emotions usually about the passage of time. Yes, no human was behind it, but what stops a human from appreciating a landscape, or the way a fog shapes a mountain from afar? These phenomena are devoid of any real context or sublime quality save for the witnesses that give it that quality.
Another thing is that we call these AI abominations "bad" but why would it be "good" for it to faithfully replicate something we've already seen before? Imo, this goes back to photography, if you capture something unheard of in what we've seen in paintings, would we call that "bad" photography? It's not that it "fails" to be a painting, no tool is above the other, they only relate to each other. Deleuze calls this the rhizome, mimicking the system of mycelia instead of the hierarchical branches of a tree.
@@canti7951 i agree! for example some of the stuff created with illusion diffusion and control net really blew my mind, inspiring a sense of childlike wonder that i hadnt experienced since looking at an mc escher piece for the first time as a wee little tacker :D
ai shouldnt replace the art we already have, it should be a supplementary medium with different appeals and use cases. it wont be for everyone, just like how abstract art isnt for everyone. but that doesnt mean its worthless
@@WoolyCow I'm also an illustrator and although I get the insecurity the art community is feeling about AI, it's still fun to experiment with because it can have such unpredictable results. It's more fun if you don't have a full idea already in mind and are trying to use a billion prompts to get the outcome exactly right-- Instead, I like to give Stable Diffusion as vague, open-to-interpretation descriptions as possible to see what it comes up with. The image-to-image function is fun too, because I give it really simple, low-detail drawings, and some of its interpretations are completely off the wall! One example, I drew two cats, one red and one blue, and ST interpreted them as women but still gave them cat ears lol
@@TV-8-301 "I drew two cats, one red and one blue, and ST interpreted them as women but still gave them cat ears lol"
hmmm i wonder what websites were scraped to acquire this training data!?!?
Ive been studying under some art directors for a while now and that has also taught me a lot about the fundamental value in art/illustration. People don't really care that much about technical quality as much as they care about the ideas expressed. If you have good ideas, a rough drawing can speak louder than a technical drawing. However I've also learnt that a technically competent illustration is still important, because it protects your ideas. Its easier to pitch an idea if it looks well made, and that you really mean it
"bad" art filled with soul will forever be better than soulless "good" art
Author currently looking for a cover artist for my fantasy novel, and boy...yeeeeeeesh. SO many slop AI "portfolios" to sift through. It's genuinely a slog. I just want to pay a HUMAN for their ART.
any page i could find your work? i'd like to check out your book when it comes out :3
this is why i love dada and the surrealist movements so much. i’d argue our perception of modern/contemporary art has evolved from dada and surrealist roots! a group of people, many young adults in their twenties, disillusioned with society and traumatized from the first world war, they were anti-capitalist, anti-war, anti-establishment. they completely flipped the idea of what art could be on it’s head! their works seemed meaningless and random, but they are rich in context and ideas that go beyond just a pretty picture. they rejected the norms of what was popular(pretty oil paintings for rich people to buy); they embraced the absurd and the weird, and truly revolutionized what we perceive as art. IMO such under appreciated movements within art history!
i think so many of their ideas from about a century ago have never been more relevant. the world is going insane but we’re here, we’re human beings that think and feel and love and grieve and still we hope. they can try to beat us down and tell us “this is the way the world is, this is the future, get used it” but we won’t let them take our love of art and our need to create away from us. art is so fundamental to the human experience, it has evolved over time along with us, we shape it and it shapes us, a symbiotic relationship. even if they try to tell us what art should be, have we, the artists, ever listened? the more i think about it, the less worried i get (but there still is the very real reality of people losing their jobs, currently and going into the future as ai keeps advancing) but still, what i mean is, i find comfort in that i know artists will do what we have done since the days of cave paintings, answering that undeniable, inescapable urge to create. every time i see the silhouettes of those hand prints from thousands of years ago, i feel this connnection to people that lived so long before me. why did they feel the need to make those, what purpose did it serve other than “i am a human being, i live here, this hand is me, i exist, i was here” it’s the the same as people writing their name on a picnic table or a tree or a fence post “i was here” in a way, isn’t all art similar? i am here, i have thoughts about things, i am making this thing to show my thoughts about those things” and like ai will never have that, like, EVER. i don’t care what tech bro wants to say ai will reach sentience, or how similar a brain is to a computer, it will never be the same thing, and so ai will never be able to create art, REAL art.
fuck this is too long i’m sorry and probably a very rambly mess, i just have so many thoughts about this, i could write so much more! i just love art so much and i love people and our capacity to connect through art, it makes me genuinely emotional
Am I that pro-robot to the point that I kinda got ticked off by reading this? Also, holy shit space out your paragraphs.
@Influence417 you so right!!!
me SO sorry!
me brain just stupid human brain :(
i not as smart as robot :(
me don’t know how to space things right :(
plz PLZ me hope u forgive me stupid human brain 🫶
i love rambles like these SO much. *THANK YOU* for this comment! Like genuinely, it said and connected dots and pieces of the story that I've learned and have been drifting around in my head and gave me even more to think about. Never stop rambling, it feels just as genuine and human as a handprint and our need to create. This is small - just a comment out there in the many - but it makes an impact on everyone who reads it, it resonates because your rambling is your expression of the need to communicate your thoughts and perspective and your deep and utter love for just… humanity. Thank you.
_checks replies_ okay apparently not everyone likes long lengthy thinky rambles as much as I do lol
@gjk-arts5855 thank YOU for this comment, this gave me a huge smile! i truly believe more than anything our desire for connection is so universal, and art is one of the most powerful tools for connection that exists!
i’m so BORED with these edge lord troll types who have this “too long, didn’t read, don’t care” mentality, absolutely nothing interesting or engaging to contribute to the conversation 🙄 being passionate, deeply caring about something, is actually pretty fuckin cool! and personally, i’d much rather use my finite time on this earth to encourage more love and empathy, and foster a connection through our shared passions. i GENUINELY believe every human being has a creative urge that is screaming to be let out. art is so much more than this teeny tiny box some people want to put it in!! art is a feeling, art is connection! art is that recipe only your grandma knows how to make that takes you back to when you were 8 and the future stretched on forever, art is a weird string of words you see on a sign that makes a poem in your head, art is a fuckin plumber creating a rubegoldberg-esque configuration of copper pipes that functions beautifully and looks beautiful while doing it, art is a toddler smudging random colors of paint on a piece of computer paper to give to their parent because they wanted to give their parent something that represented their love! (truly, i could go on! haha)
so much about our modern world devalues creativity! on top of that, i think internet culture has normalized this behavior to dismiss something you don’t immediately understand, rather than looking at its as an opportunity to learn something new. even if you ultimately disagree with the concept after learning about it, you walk away as a more informed interesting person! anyway i appreciate your comment! it makes my heart happy when i can connect with another human being, ESPECIALLY through art and topics like this 💚
My take away is that my lazy pieces, the ones where you can still see the sketch lines, the eraser marks are obvious, and there isn't clearly defined lineart, are my best works. There's meaning in the half finished work. Even if it's "I didn't feel like doing line art", that's meaning that AI could never replicate. There's a lot of love put into every piece, and passion for the source material. It's really the journey that makes art valuable.
tbh I think this is the best video I've found so far on this topic
when photography happened, many were afraid becasue there's no reason to have this perfect photographic drawing, a camera could produce it in hours, and then seconds
we don't really watch realistic animation now, and we don't try to find something extremely realistic, we did start to look for something creative and interesting
In case of ai, concept artists are still important, so far ai can't make good interesting concepts, and this is what we can prioritise.
Maybe someone needs an artwork to visualise their dnd character, talking and giving feedback to an artist [esp digital] would be much better than giving prompts and accidentaly chaning the entire artstyle randomly.
The Modern artists tried to find their way away from photography, the artists of today need to find something else that only humans are able to replicate.
I think that the generative art craze just exposed how little average people have always been interested in engaging with art on an intellectual level. And I don't mean it in a sense that they are stupid or anything elitist like that, but very few people actually want to think about anything beyond the looks. I find that doing fanart is quite a good modern medium, since people are invested in the characters and will pay more attention when you put them in unusual situations or elevate some important characteristic.
I do still look down on pretentious meta art, because I think there is only so much subversion can bring to the table and it has been done to death in post-modernism. But some of my all time favorite illustrators are actually quite bad at their craft. Yet, whenever I see their new piece in my feed I get really excited, because they still capture really cool energy in their works.
to sum this video: art is communication. thats why anyone can do it. lets encourage one another to communicate , no matter how technically "good" it is.
thats a very wonderful thing to say, and i am here for it.
Spot on, unfortunately our industry has made us into machines endlessly producing for mediocre products and now they want to replace us with areal machine, the only way to beat a machine is to be human guys, don't treat your art like a product but as an experience that you share with other humans.
I've been saying this more and more recently, but I think a lot of people now start art with the idea of "Oh I can make a lot of money from this" rather than "I think this is fun I want to do this" I think everyone's focus on wanting to monetize everything ASAP is a big issue and I notice a lot of beginner artist especially are upset about AI and I think that's because a lot of beginner artist now have to work harder to meet a standard that people will go "oh wow that's nice here is some money!". The bar of what people consider better than average now is paired to AI at least for the average person given the easy of use of AI and it being cheaper. but AI at the end of the day is a tool it's still very new especially in it's current state who knows it's actual future (currently it's had a lot of money invested but very little of that has actually been returned in real profit.)
We are all just guessing it will replace all artist which it will never do so long as humans keep creating. That's the thing if you want to do art do it because you want to not for money or anything else create because it's what you want to create you want to improve and study great do it because you want to not because of any other reason. Money will only take you so far and will just leave you empty do it because you love it, artist will never die as long as the desire to create is still there and people keep passing it on even if Ai replaces all creative jobs which I also doubt it ever will because Ai without a person helping it is pretty bad and regulations on it and court cases are constantly popping up maybe in the more big office artist jobs but many studios outright do not want to use AI and in general those larger studios exploit artist already by overworking them and underpaying them so if it replaces those jobs I don't exactly see that as a bad thing. Just gives indie's more room to shine that choose to take on an actual artist which many do and will pay artist.
Ai's future is very undetermined but if AI stops you from wanting to draw this is cold and cruel to say but maybe art just wasn't for you and never will be as someone will always be better and in this case Ai is better so if it alone is your reason for quitting sorry but you probably would have eventually anyways you just did it sooner than you otherwise would have. Create for you, it's fine to post stuff wanting attention or admiration but create for you do it because you love it and if you hate it don't do it or find a way to make it more fun if you actually want to stick with it and honestly just turn a blind eye to Ai or don't but do not let it discourage you because at the end of the day Ai cannot replace what you create. It could make a copy or something similar but not what you created because you created it with your own mind and feel and technique/style. Ai is neither good nor evil simply the people who use it and decide how to use it can be better or worse
One of the reason I can't spend 100 hours on an artwork is because i have to earn a living with that time.
I feel this so much. Thanks for the motivation
Probably a bit off topic but
One thing I've realised and started thinking about these past weeks, even indulging in it myself as a digital artist, is the potential trend that might end up growing in the art community as a response of trying to separate from the technical looks of the usual art styles that AI have stolen.
I think of it like this; The most commonly popular art style for hundreds of years was realism, trying to capture the world as accurate to the human eye as possible. Then photography came along, and soon with coincidental timing the art world began to give attention and pick up on styles and expressions that had less commonly if ever seen the mainstream to this point, now giving space to everything from cartoons to abstractions and so much more alongside the old realism.
It's def a rough generalization of a complicated history but I cannot help but to get the same feeling. Artists moving into more unique styles to differentiate from the AI look out of disgust, trying art mediums it cannot compete in and otherwise do everything in their power to imbue their work with as much passion, care, meaning and human spirit that AI will never fundamentally achieve.
Tldr; We will survive, we will adapt and we will prosper, no matter what we need to do cause I know damn well we're willing to do it to keep this human culture alive
One argument I hate surrounding contemporary art is the "I could have done that myself."
Yes.
Yes, my guy, you could have made it. You could have drawn a circle on a canvas.
*But you didn't.*
That canvas isn't art for how it looks like. It's art for having an *artist* behind it. Someone made it, a real person put real feelings into it. And no, I don't understand every abstract art. Hell I don't understand what *most* abstract art could be about, I won't pretend.
But someone felt something while doing it and decided to share it with the world.
There's a reason it's important to learn about the life of artists, and not just their works, because it's one thing to know a poem is about a rebellion, and another to know it was about *this* rebellion specifically.
(And then there are technical marvels, like how (in)visible brush strokes are, etc.)
Ai cant see whats in my mind, thats why Ai will never replace an artist
0:35 Is that japan?
The best way to beat AI art is to get commissions from furries.
They have surprisingly deep pockets and they're willing to support the craft of real humans.
I've seen a lot of people who have never taken an art history lesson, recently rediscovering why abstract art was popularized at the same time photography became widespread, lol.
IMHO in the art what matters is the thing portrayed and how well it is portrayed.
I want to make an AI that protects images and videos on the internet by having the AI teach existing AI to forget data sets. I think its very possible and it would force all AI thats on the Internet to go offline, not destroying their AI, but making it so they have to use original hand crafted content for their AI to train off of. This AI would be a teaching AI instead of a learning as well so wouldnt have to worry about this AI deleting its own memory and stuff.
I’ve heard of Nightshade - it’s a filter you put over artwork to “confuse” AI algorithms when they scrape social media for new input. Nightshade works by implanting pixels over the artwork that confuse AI into thinking the picture is of something else-if, say, you drew a cat, then Nighshade could instead carefully add pixels to make the AI bots see a glass jar or a horse. But AI still thinks that is what cats should look like. So eventually, if enough artwork with Nightshade is added into AI libraries, if someone tried to generate “cat”, then they would start getting jars and horses instead. It’s unfortunate that this is a per-artwork solution and not a system-wide solution, but at the very least there are people out there working to bring down the machines from the inside out.
If this idea ever work you deserve a nobel price, because theirs no way it will.
AI generated images will always be an impressive show of technology, but human creation is always going to be more valued in the end.
Beautiful video!!! I was waiting for someone more mainstream in the community to send this message and Im so glad you did. Making art just for the sake of creating, having fun and expressing the human experience through the art of creating anything is the best thing about being alive (At least in mt opinion) and I think too many people forget why making art is important and get caught up in how it looks or how imperfect it might me, making the process feel bad and forgetting why making art is so important to us artists ❤
2:30 You're right they really don't care. Most people are stupid and they don't care until it happens to them. With AI that's a given it's only a matter of when.
This is exactly what i've been thinking. Everyone dissed on contemporary art. Saying that its meaning isn't important. But truly, authenticity is the most valuable thing in art. Art isn't supposed to inflict, but rather to express.
ai may be able to generate pretty anime girls, but it will never be able to replicate my drawings of spamton deltarune as an opossum in a hanna-barbera esque art style with a missing hand because i was too lazy to draw it. im being serious by the way, ai is *horrible* at generating portraits of spamton. i found that out on accident a few days ago cause i was looking up images of him and found an ai ''art'' portrait of (supposedly) him and it was just another boring anime girl. on a broader level, ai is terrible at generating anything outside of that anime or disney-pixar looking bubble. it cant generate art of its own, art with integrity, or art with a soul behind it. even if my art looks worse than ai (i personally believe it doesn't, i just think my art is very stylized), i still see my sometimes admittedly crappy spamton fanarts better than anything ai can create because there was an actual person who made it, which was me
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@@gjk-arts5855 hell yeah deltarune community in the comment section
I love this video. I've already watched so many videos about ai "art" and different opinions and pov's, but I feel like this video made me see art from a different perspective, an amazing one that I resonate with. It just clicked something in my brain. Art isn't about likes or views, it's about having fun. At least for me it is. So... Why should I care if AI made something better than me? I'm doing what I like. I do have a thought behind it, I do have a meaning. AI "art"... Doesn't. THIS is the reason why I don't like AI "art", and this is also the reason why from now on, I won't care about AI "art". I'll do art for myself, and if improving is what makes me happy then... I'll learn, and improve. I'll do what I want when I want how I want because at the end of the day that's what I decide to do.
Man this came out WAY longer than I expected...
thats awesome to hear 🫶
You're a *really* good speaker dude. I love how you outlined what makes AI so worrying in particular, and the broader implications going on in the world!
Giving my own artwork meaning, purpose and messages has been a big desire for me, so I can share what I think others could learn from. So I feel like I'm going to get a lot of value from your channel. Subscribed.
I really needed this video. I’ve been hitting a brick wall when it comes to what type of art motivates me to make it, and I always come back to my characters. My stories, my world building that is fulled by my personal interests. Do I know how to technically draw those things? Or do I have the perfect character design for the species of creature I’m trying to design? No to both. But I’m teaching myself to enjoy the process of trying
I’ve always thought that the rise of AI image generation will only cause for its style (hyperpolished realistic glossy stock photos, pseudo-Pixar cartoon people, and anime girls) to fall out of favor, causing the mainstream to start gravitating towards increasingly messy, unpolished art
That speech was very inspiring and motivating. I've only known you for a few months but I come back every now and then to learn something new. thank you for teaching me.
Just like Jerrel Dulay (aka the president of gamers) from Sungrand Studios said in his Concord vs. Overwatch character designs video.
"In art the absolutely most important thing is intent, what are you saying with your art.
This is why when it comes to AI generated imagery I have never used the word "art" to describe it, because art has intent."
I highly agree with his take and I think many of us, artists, we should remove "AI Art" from our vocabulary as means to stop contributing the confusion of such clashing terms.
On the other hand, I don't really think contemporary art is a good comparison for this video. Something more akin to the works from everyday artists would have been a much better comparison, some examples would be the wecomic version of One Punch Man, the start of the Attack on Titan manga or the art of Lisa the Painful.
Lisa the painful is my favorite game! The art and music is so raw and conveys emotion better than AAA graphics would, because you fill in the "blanks" of the pixel sprites yourself.
I’m quite stunned by the fact most people start drawing without understanding the art isn’t just visual beauty, but also conceptual meaning.
And that’s also why most people just don’t care about the AI situation.
As a teen, I used to go to my mum to the Tate modern in London. And it would give me the biggest boost possible, because it made me realise that I was already "good enough". There was everything from highly skilled, highly detailed Dali paintings to "Untitled (Bacchus)" series which are just big red scribbles, and all these things, however simple or not, they still looked *good*. They looked good because they were interesting, or suprising, or funny. They were good because they made you go "dude, what the hell is that?!" Even if you thought "this is terrible, what a scam" you still *thought*, and sometimes the thought was "how is this picture, which is nothing more than a giant block of colour, REALLY wigging me out right now?". A lot of the principles that make contemporary "modern" art look good or not look good also feed into and help make technical art a lot better (e.g. colour theory, shape theory, rhythm, movement, negative space, scale etc.) I do love it (and the museum just has a fantastic book shop to boot 👌🏻)
I feel bad for the first android that wants to become an artist. It's going to get bullied so hard.
This is exactly what the art community/space needs to hear tbh. There hasn’t been very much large innovation in the younger art spaces ever since maybe the VTuber boom and the rise of 3D modelling. But giving your random waifu characters actually context and background behind them makes them more than just a 2-second view on my social media feed before I scroll away to consume 50 more 2-second enjoyment art pieces for the day.
This is the first video of yours that I've watched.
I heave really nothing else to say. May people here already put it in much better words than I ever could.
The only thing left for me to say is... thank you. Thank you very much for this video! It brought me a new perspective on things!
I love just silly doodles. That’s a big reason that I hate AI images. Those aren’t doodles, they aren’t ideas that someone had and then put them down on paper. They’re images trying to recreate that, but without any of the randomness behind it.
Recently I made an artwork that I’m really proud of. It’s a little outline of a cat sitting sadly on a planet. The background is lots of colours on a black background. I used my fingers and some splatters to get a lot of chaos in the background, and that’s the point. The background is chaos because it’s literally supposed to be chaos. A sad cat alone in chaos. I also used some oil pastels on the cat itself to make it kinda look like a kid drew the cat, because i wanted it to look like that.
AI will never be able to make a similar image, I don’t think. The multiple mediums pared with two different styles makes it so that AI probably wouldn’t generate something like that
Go the way of Picasso. He was a phenomenal realistic artist, but chose to create cubism because he was sick of that
genuinely i think you're right and i would love if this took off. it's been many years since i posted art or did art regularly, because feeling the pressure of posting for the algorithm was draining. but this video made me want to start doing it again, for myself, and share it with a caption that explores why i drew the way i drew, what was the process and all those things. i absolutely love this, give concept back to art, dont let it be just mindless consumption
omg i've been feeling super scared about ai and been watching a lot of videos like this but i think this is genuinely one of the only ones which actually gave me some sort of hope or at least look at things from a new perspective.
Kaycern, first time coming across you. The end is Exactly why I feel like my business is going to take off when I put it out there. Sure someone else can do it. Sure a bigger company can take my concept. Sure it might not be super technical. But it won't be mass produced, or created by machines. I plan on only even releasing ONE of every single design I come up with. Now, there could be multiple iterations, orientations, and transformations of the said design, but akin to an actual collector's item and not just a digital NFT, this will genuinely be yours. The only one that is or ever will be in existence. There will only be a set amount of a drop before it is gone.
In this coming age, exclusivity and originality are going to reign. Eventually, people will be seeking the flaws instead of the perfection.
I feel like on of the big reasons we’ve all become obsessed with this perfection/attention loop has a lot to do with money. Specifically your ability to earn money making art. I know that’s been what drove me for the past few years. But now that the algorithm has decided I am not going to grow my Instagram anymore… I’m left sort of floundering about what I can even do anymore. But on the bright side, I make art now because I like it. It doesn’t always perform well, but I make stuff I’m proud to be able to make. And that’s something… I guess. lol
I love drawing and posting messy sketches! And I found there's other people who love looking at messy sketches!! 💕💕💕
REAL! This is all so true. With AI Art I feel so disconnected but with other artists I like there’s the human aspect. I know that they love these subjects and it drives them to just keep making art. That’s what I like
6:20 video starts here
TL;DR The best way to counter AI in creating art is by giving it meaning.. arguably the initial point of art anyhow.
Well-made video, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers of things.
Im 20 years old had my birthday on 2nd of november. My friends gave me a sketchbook and a marker as a present so I can start creating. My age is a great time to start accepting and developing my talent. I love drawing now and made a whole month of progress of drawing almost every day. I love what I am creating.
Finally, someone who can resonate with me on the view of what art means to us humans and why we do it in the first place! We have been so focused on the technicals and competitions that we overlook the emotions and carefully set up meanings we packed into our art.
i do like AI, even tho i'm making art, but art isn't just about the drawing, the creativity counts a lot too
I'm a visual novel developer and writer. This was very empowering - thank you.
4 mins in hits HARD. We are All stuck in a loop; just depends what your particular niche is.
"Just because you could have done it yourself doesn't mean it has no value, after all, they *did* do it"
I will always stand by weird or strange art, however "the red dot" style painting that sells for 500mil USD is rich people avoiding taxes and money laundering, and most of the time the art itself makes no difference and is never even actually looked at outside of auction and spends the rest of its time sitting in a warehouse called a "freeport" which on paper means it is legally considered to be "in transit" (even though it will spend often it's entire existance in 1 place) which is how it avoids being taxed
i think its better to seperate the art from the art market. rich people will use anything remotely decent to do a tax writeoff, no reason to discredit the art just because the people who bought it dont have good interests
@ exactly that's why I say it's best to look at the art for what it actually is, and while I like some 'modern' art I don't like all of it. I think it's best to have a post-modern view and just go woth what you like but also don't discredit what you don't like immediately.
But unfortunately since you can't totally seperate 'art' from the society we live in, there is stuff that is just a "red dot" with no artistic intent whatsoever created entirely for profit and nothing else, along with ai images which I will say is "not real art" even if I find it athstetically pleasing
Been having plenty of fun making my tiny creatures and chilling with my art, posting to bluesky hasn’t been fruitful, but I’m loving all the art I see on there so hopefully we’re already going in the right direction
The only way I can see ai images being ‘okay’ in the art space is if it’s used as INSPIRATION. Not the final product, not as a reference, and frankly I don’t even know how much you can edit the image yourself before/if it’s even considered art. Simply a jumping off point for YOU to create.
Regardless, this is the most eloquently stated reason why art is art. What the artist portrays gives the audience a feeling. If it’s fun, people will find it fun! I think art and writing is one of the most pure forms of conversation and connection.
And for those who think ai should never be involved, I perfectly understand. ESPECIALLY from the point of a-holes demeaning the value of art (‘why pay when ai can do it better’) and mimicking an artist’s style. And companies trying to soulessly replace hired artists with something that doesn’t demand rights or fairness. This is a newer(?) subject and my opinion on the matter’s still being shaped.
…sorry for the essay, this does mean a lot to me.
ai art will never fully take over because an ai can never be horny
This is such a thoughtful video and I think a lot of arists should see this and share the sentiment.
Thank you a lot!
This is super applicable to really any kind of art (in my example, music). I love this!
this video showed up in my feed and inspired me to continue my work. thank you
I have struggled a lot with this, trying to make the perfect vintage pulp comics style and I was stuck in this loop of trying to get it perfect. Then one day I ended up clicking the with the fill tool on the same layer as the line and it sort of ate a bite of the line art and I thought it looked horrible, but it gave an interested texture.Then I just realized that trying to make the images perfect was robbing me of the impact that I wanted in the image.
i think a lot of people underestimate what is outside the realm of pure technical skill, to me atmosphere, composition and sort of the foundational bigger picture of a piece is what brings it the most value
The thing about anyone saying "I could have done that" is yeah, but... you didn't.
yeah, the shallowness of AI art only makes me realize further that the worst of deviantART Sonic OCs drawn on piece of torn notebook paper are still better than AI 'art', because it shows someone making what they want and have the courage to share. I never laughed at them, I got the same indifferent feeling when someone critiques or compliments things I did and just numbed out; that's because people don't care what anyone else is creating for their own sake, it must be 'for others', 'for publicly good', 'non-offensive', etc., thats what people outside the art niche don't have to me or the artist's fandom/niche to connect with, let alone make critique
The story behind the art is what makes it special
I always had the idea that everything can have beauty, sure it’s not perfect and some is definitely objectively bad and wrong… but when I saw people shame aspiring artists I would always think “no one will ever make that artwork again” I realised what you make with your hands is more important then how “beautiful” or “perfect” it is, just make what you want and share it regardless if it’s “cringe”
Is it just me, or did you have a greebscreen cutout, that allows your head and hands to stick out if the box, thats pretty cool!
Let's see if I understand this... We need to stop saying "That Cake is Better than Mine", and instead say "Oh Sh*t two Cakes!"
I've always felt the same way about AI art as I have from the start, when I see AI art I view it as typically a one time thing if I like it, but if its a human artist then it becomes something I'll come back to. Because in my eyes AI art is meant to be enjoyed due to its soulless nature, while human art is meant to also be appreciated and even analyzed. The only time I've found myself coming back to an AI work is when I was drawing and intentionally chose to use an AI image which someone else had generated ad the reference, and nsfw AI art because when it comes to nsfw idc if its AI if it looks good to me. Though most of the AI stuff I see is sloppily posted in large batches that look bad, but there are some people who clearly know how to generate good stuff with AI.
I just want a picture of my D&D character and I don't have 45 bucks.
one of your friends might draw you a sketch, idk what your group is like though
there are several million drawings of all kinds of different fantasy characters that you can grab from the internet. sure it's stealing, but you're just using it between your friends.
By a lot of extension, online art as a phenomenon is pretty young compared to the actual broader art world and its many nuances. And by comparison, AI as a new form of _something_ is also new and would need to prove itself even further if it's going to be taken seriously.
Because right now AI images peddling itself as "art" in both online and actual museum spaces is laughably and embarrassingly unoriginal.
I'd take weird contemporary art and Taped Banana any day than AI
I think most folks don’t understand why “modern art” happened. It’s not just one moment but decades of artist come to this same conclusion of “pointlessness” in only a pretty picture!
So what you're saying is I should pump out AI art, slap a meaning full story on it and everybody's gonna buy my stuff😂 Jk jk, but it's a good point that meaning is going to be a larger part of selling art now. Also if you can get into niche markets and put your own twist on it. I follow someone who makes scenes from horror films in a Ghibli style art, something to set yourself apart.
cool take man, I agree!
My attention span is mush but I’m gonna guess that this is about the fact that ai can’t do simplicity. I wholeheartedly agree.
Even if AI becomes completely perfect in making picures, it won't affect my sketchbook with a pencil
I've been noticing since I started using social media to make my art I haven't gone beyond a stage beyond, it looks good. The things I've been doing for a few years now haven't impacted me or reflected anything about me in any way, it's like a big dessert out of nothing. I hope I can gain some independence from the technique to explore more narrative themes
A canvas painted yellow but the yellow was made with some fancy process was the crap art museum art of my childhood. I'd take that over AI -_-
Oh man, you totally moved me here (some credit is due to the piano song at the end it must be said). And so l'm going to answer your question at 2:43 because the answer is staring at us in the face: What can we do as artists? ART. Simply because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AI ART. This can't be stated enough. People have grown accustomed to called any type of content "art". It's never been a better time to be an artist than today. It's time to bring back the full force of the concept of art to the table, and out of hundreds of videos l've watched on the subject, l think you are the first one to hit the nail.
"I've seen an agent punch through a concrete wall; men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air; yet, their strength, and their speed, are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong, or as fast, as you can be" -Morpheus
This video was insanely good 😭
I saw a quote that basically said “if you’re an artist you have something AI ‘artists’ will never have- you don’t need a computer to do it.” & that made me feel so much better. AI needs people like me to work, & those who use AI will never be distinct from one another. They are the equivalent to someone using google docs or something.
Bashing AI art for the sake of bashing on it never really felt right to me, like, I've always hated the fact that it comes from stolen artwork, but just attacking the people who use it didn't really click with me. That's why I think this opinion resonates far better with me than anything anti AI I've heard before; rather than shaming and attacking people who use AI, we should sensitize them to the value of the people who make said art, independent of at what skill-level they are. I think that's something worth standing for.