This revolutionary breakthrough could help EVs drive 10 times longer before they need a recharge
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- This revolutionary breakthrough could help EVs drive 10 times longer before they need a recharge
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If something like this is being mass produced by 2030, it will certainly make a huge difference. I wish them the best success!
Oh of course we wish them well. I just get a little sceptical ever time a "gamechanger" development is discovered lol
Of course, by 2030 there will be produced better tech, just the price is more neglected Social system, since the industrialisation of humans in robots (in narrowminded jobs).
The problem is: why are the 4WD used in the cities, sedans wasting unnecessary space (vs hatchback/wagon) & no public transport investments for mostly 1 person per car.
People age but don't mature :(
@@DimitarBerberu Enjoy your public transportation. I'll drive myself in my gas guzzling truck or my electric car.
I'll wave at you all smelling each other's farts and BO😂
Too good to be true.
😅
There's been so many 'game changers' I've almost lost track of what the game is. Ten times the energy storage? - That's gonna be some fire...
Been hearing battery tech for the last 10+ years, starting with mobile battery. I'll believe it when I can actually buy it. Until then... #FakeNews
There a ship full of them burning on the North Sea. Still burning after a week
Go look at the change in price capacity in weight since 2012. The change is incredible.
Batteries are half the weight, hold double charge, and cost 1/6 the price.
Solar panels are 1/4 the size and wait and one-tenth the price for the same wattage output.
Not just that. Ten times the storage would take ten times as long to charge. They still can't seem to overcome the charging speed issue. Maybe not a dealbreaker for those who can charge at home, but for those who cannot it is a huge issue.
@@ironclaw6969 in pretty sure in 10 years electric cars will have better range than gasoline and be less expensive to own and operate.
Going to really beat them over the head for right to repair tho.
If this is true, ICE conversions will make much more sense. You could have battery packs the same size (or not much bigger) than the fuel tank, then the motor and other stuff could replace the block. Smart cars would be awesome again. I want a microcar that's safe, goes fast and has a long range. It's what the world needs too.
The range issue isn't as important as the ability to reduce weight (and cost) by a huge factor
And charge time
Both will not be an issue in yhe next decade
If this innovation is true we can have all of it. We will very likely have less weight, lower cost, and more range too. Because obviously, you don't really need 10 times the range.... you have all you need with 3 times the range.... so you can put fewer batteries in the car and that will make the car lighter and should be less expensive.
@@cmw3737 was there any information about how this technology affects charge time? I wouldn't assume it is faster.
@@jlrutube1312 also, more cars. If all you need is a battery half the size, it halves the resources required for each car, mean production can be ramped up more easily.
Even if only 2 times longer, it's game over at that point. It could change near every industry, not just EVs. Aviation, household storage, grid storage, mobile devices, military and space applications etc...
if twice longer.. the world would change... power would be cheaper. because it could be exported via sea cargo from cheaper resources...
@@blackarrow-id6is I think they invented something called "wire" or "cables" for transporting electricity from one fixed point to another.
@@geoffhaylock6848 yes.. but the black market sells cheaper... wired or cables are govern by the gov of the day which are affected by the oil and gas which would cause artificial increase in price...
@@geoffhaylock6848 true for places wired up. But for remote locations that get oil delivered to power homes, now getting a 1000kwh battery delivered, the old one taken away to charge, and so on. Off grid locations will become very cheap to run.
currentlly coal is stiil use as energy souce in certain country.. if energy that comes for a new technology battery that can store more energy.. people can stay at anywhere. including the south pole... no need wire connection... and then there is starlink.... the landscape for human living would change... first country i would see changing is australia...
If the numbers are right, this will revolutionize aviation, too. Not just automotive.
Personal flying cars will be on the cards.
@@geoffhaylock6848 Tesla's FSD and AI will guid them through the skies
@@geoffhaylock6848 This would be great for light aircraft for range and aviation gas is around 6 dollars a gallon. The advantage of flying cars was so you could fly to a destination and have a car to drive around when you got there and be able to land at your home. Most of the flying cars can't operate on surface roads so are not really cars. Also there are problems with landing at your home. Neighbors don't like noise and don't want things flying over their homes. This is a problem people with personal helicopters have. People also complain about small airports because of the noise and air traffic. The prop noise of EVTOL aircraft will get people calling the local authorities to get it shut down. Small airports are under attack and are getting closed due to community pressure. This will likely be a problem for VTOL landing ports or airports also. Also the costs will be quite high to purchase these aircraft.
No question. If it really is 10x the density, that would rival the energy/kg density of aviation fuel and exceed it’s volumetric density.
@@BrianMoore-uk6js
Ha ha after I saw this video, I sent it to my physicist friend. He replied thus:
“Flying cars? No, no, noooo... Run and hide indoors, in a concrete building with many floors above you. It's going to be raining cars, flying cars.”
Hey Viking - we wish! Even if they could treble the range, and drop battery weight, that would be HUGE. But how many times have we heard "gamechanger" only to have these things disappear into nothingness?
About a million times.
Every time. Its actually not that hard to increase energy density. You can always crush one metric in just about anything. The issue is beating all metrics...these ultra dense batteries sometime only survive for less than a dozen cycles, so they're cool to talk about, but totally useless. Same with the opposite...LFP has incredible longevity but the discharge rate and density are poor.
I agree. Triple the range capability but cut the battery pack size (and weight) in half gives you more range. Maybe 20% or so. Triple the range on the Cybertruck and you wouldn't have any issues with towing--350 miles now, 1050 new range without trailer, >500 miles towing. Do this on the Tesla Semi and they could reduce the weight substantially. I would hope charging rate would be increased as well.
The joke is: They were promising flying cars by now, but we got electric bicycles instead ;)
@@stevenjones916 Maybe for off road?
When this happens, it is better to reduce the battery capacity (lighter and faster to load) then to keep the capacity the same and increase the range
💯 I think 1,000 km of range would be enough for 99 percent of people!!!
@@genyazaqqq Few ICE cars get better range than that, so yeah. If these charge faster as well a range of about 300 miles would be sufficient for most Americans. If the batteries really were 10 times more energy dense the cars would only weigh about as much as ICE cars (and of course, dropping the weight of the batteries increases the range and decreases the weight of everything else, from motors to the suspension to the brakes and even the frame - a virtuous circle).
A high range will do several things
1, eliminate range anxiety
2, reduce the amount of recharges over a lifetime
3, reduce the visits to the charging station
4, if home Solar keeps increasing the demands on the network gets reduced as the need to top up is pretty much gone . People will be encouraged to plug their cars in to load shed.
A high range is an absolute must going forward IMHO
@@richardbartlett6932 I think that a combination of the two is likely.
If these claims are true and can be productionised, it makes sense to have large(ish) batteries with, say 5 times the capacity, but weighing maybe half the current weight.
Let's not forget that half the current weight still comes in at the same approximate weight as an ICE, its transmission and fuel supply.
But the extra capacity would permit V2G as a serious national storage solution, something that grid servers are having to deal with right now.
Let's not forget the fact that producing clean, cheap electricity is never the problem, storing that energy is the problem. From what I understand, a significant percentage of electrical capacity is used pumping water back into hydro dams so that the capacity is there for peak demand. If countries can rely on millions of high capacity batteries that also happen to be great at transporting the population, then that is really going to revolutionise the energy sector.
And finally goods transport would no longer be a niche market for trucking. Having a truck with 10x the battery capacity would make even international goods transport a reality for electric trucks. They'd almost certainly have to have battery swap tech, because the charging demands for such batteries would be unfeasibly demanding. However, if a laden truck could do 1500 miles on a charge, battery swaps could take half an hour and nobody would raise an eyebrow.
@@richardbartlett6932 "Reduce the amount of recharges over the lifetime" & "plug in to load shed" seem to be the opposite of each other? A car used just for driving might get charged once a week. A car collecting solar and giving back during peak demands will be charging and discharging much more frequently. Wasn't there a plan whereby Tesla would rent the battery back and use it for this very same idea? Your Tesla would become very cheap to own then. Or Tesla was going to pay you for sending power back to the network during peak times. Something like that.
If we had one breakthrough for every new 100 battery breakthroughs, we would have a thousand breakthroughs.
Did you hear about the new break throughs in ICE?.... because their is none comparatively
@@joebachmeier6747 so even with no breakthroughs ICE still beat batteries, seems BEV have a long way to go.. even with dino juice burners In a technological stand still.
@@motorbreath22 Your opinion is your choice
@@joebachmeier6747 one word.. energy density
Would be great to have 400 miles of range with 1/4 the battery weight
My observation is that you still have to charge them. If you have a battery than can provide 5x range then it stands to reason that it will take 5x as long to charge given a constant current.
Not much of a down side mate
Swapable upgradable battery packs would be nice as battery technology improves
Indeed, if the weight is much lower than currently. You could charge the 2nd battery at home using solar panels while at work. Then swap them when charge levels are low.
At this point, I think EVs have sufficient range for most drivers, but cutting EV manufacturing costs by 1/3 would make the EV transition much easier since legacy auto has had problems making them profitably, and having the vehicles sticker price lower would definitely help more people afford them.
That being said it takes a minimum of 5 years for something in the lab to get into production, and more commonly it takes more than a decade. It took Lion batteries 20 years to become common.
LFP nbatterues last NOW 500,000 miles, a lot more than the 150,000 miles an ICE car last.. Tesla has cut cost by a lot, but in less than 2 years from now it will cut the price by half, that is a lot better than 1/3. Need to be aware of the fast changing numbers on ther ev world. Now they have L3P wich cost even less.
Fully agree with you and the range anxiety problem before EV breakthrough was never a point. But many ICE in the performance class of my EV6 AWD have in fact not more range in real life. What remains is bad charging technology besides Tesla’s own network which outperforms any other!
If most people are going to switch to EVs the charging infrastructure and grid needs to be upgraded first
@@ChristopherFynn001 Its probably going to be chicken-egg problem, no more charging stations until there is demand, no grid upgrades until its a problem, buyers hesitate to buy since charging infra is spotty..
10x Greater energy density would mean you could build cars with 2x the range with batteries 1/5 the current size and weight. That would cut production costs as well.
The future of cars will be all about personalized exterior... There will not be many different competing power trains, suspension systems, battery types etc.. Simply once the best method to do something is discovered, it will become the norm or standard hence the best working ppwer train is the one everyone uses. Hard to say if there will be a many or few manufacturers since its likely the manfacturing process will be made widely accessible as well... but along the way it seems likely as someone says that many of them will go bankrupt
They'll all be as interesting as smartphones, fridges, or dishwashers. And they'll be fast, they'll be heavy, and they'll be built for the destination rather than the journey. Because no EV buyer actually gives a crap about driving the scenic mountain route. That kind of driving eats range, after all.
I’m expecting the industry, at least the non-Tesla parts of it, to head toward a “skateboard” system, where manufacturers are buying standardized chassis that provide batteries, motor, suspension, etc, along with a software interface. They then build whatever attractive bodies and interiors on that standard skateboard. We could have a lot of variety on the outside, and almost no variety on the inside.
Every video you do is a "incredible new discovery" video !
(are you insinuating clickba!t B$.) - lol...
Keep those new discoveries coming!
ICE guys don't want to hear it. They can make the same garbage long enough to retire
@@gogeorgia707 Of course EVs aren't good enough. Nor are ICEs, if you hadn't noticed.
This would be cool, but is someone else pointed out, it takes a long time to go from the lab to the production floor
Here's the game changing technology of the week. It must be Monday. How come we haven't seen any changed games?
NO BREAKTHROUGH - as I had lately updated the Wikipedia article, I was readily interested to see what I have missed. Doc Google answered that the idea for a foam was mentioned in 2011 by those professors, and that the polymer approach was published in 2019 in the journal. Plus, in the news from 2023 they only say that silicon-metal anodes have "the potentional" for ten-fold capacity. There is NOTHING about a practical application. So the claim from the Helmholtz Institute in Germany still holds - silicon-metal materials can not be expected in the market before 2028, and we will first see what silicon-carbon anodes will allow for improvements. Which are actually ready.
Atleast one benefit: I dont need to add something to the Wikipedia article.
Miracle batteries appear regularly, perhaps once a week !
Possibly 99% of them will dissipate on the long road from the lab to the road. But that shouldn't discourage researchers from working on the chemistry. The likelihood of phenomenal increase in capacity is 99%
There is a silicon cathode battery company ampirus. It's this is a good as they say, could be put into proto type pack quick.
I look forward to todays game changer, 10x - 2x would be a massive shift. While a breakthrough will come it still takes years of development and then trying to get into mass manufacturing.
They are talking about increasing the energy density of the anode by 10 times , not the whole battery.
😊SAM😊 Amprius and Enovix already have anodes that allow over 500 watts per kilogram of energy storage and are improving performance on a daily basis
Would be tremendously beneficial to Heavy Duty Vehicles, both on and off-highway.
It would be revolutionary to double the range of electric scooters, mopeds and ebikes. I hope those products are upgraded as well.
Sounds too good to be true, advances in battery design are usually incremental say + 10%, not a ten fold increase, but good luck, any increase is very welcome.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
Thanks for keeping claims realistic.
It has to be tested, verified independently.
Doubling range or halving the size of battery would be epic. Allowing for smaller lighter cars that charge faster. Personally think 300 mile is plenty for 90% of road users ( I was more than happy with the 220 mile range of my Impreza WRX). Knocking 500Ib off the weight would be awesome. let's just hope it's not pie in the sky science.
- yes indeed, taking 1000lb out of the battery will be epic, imagine a truly lightweight efficient EV. (with impossibly fast recharge)
(the 10fold claim is approaching absolute B$ however)
- at least EV realises even "mere doubling" isn't happening.
Not pie in the sky and ain't the near future either. Lookup the welion nio 150kwh semi solid state pack which just entered production this spring and first delivery already happened last month to nio at their hq in a big ceremony.
The 150kwh welion capacity pack weighs a mere 44# in total more than the 100kwh nmc pack for the et7 and fits in the same steel shell plus still allows battery swaps.
Our next energy also did something similar in 2022 with a stock model s pack removed the 18650s and used their own hybrid cell setup.
Got 203kwhs packed in the same space and added just 200# to the total weight. Achieve 751 miles in Detroit winter driving at over 55 mph average hwy speeds. And over 800+miles during summer weather on 1 charge.
Catl has the condensed energy cells entering production in q4 of this year and just formed a massive jv for making ev passenger airplanes in China. 500wh/kg For catl and 360 wh/kg for welion cells.
Catl also has already built and delivered 140kwh quilin pack's to zeekr and while the weight hasn't been shared? That vehicle the zeekr 01 has gone a real world 920+km on 1 charge shared by an actual owner on the arena ev website with 4 adults in the car&a.c. on.
Sam, great post. I’ve said this before on your page. The kickers for everything electric are inexpensive and reliable home storage batteries. If we can get 30 kWh batteries for less than $8,000 US, everyone will then power their homes and businesses off of solar and home batteries. From there, powering our cars, scooters, motorcycles, trucks, e-bikes, etc. from our home solar and batteries is a small step!
Toyota said the same many years ago and still no show
Yeah even if you just doubled the battery capacity and reduced the number of batteries in the vehicle by 25%, you’d not only increase range due to the increased capacity but also because of the reduced weight. So actually the range benefit could be more than two times in that scenario
Sounds reasonable as the purity of materials produced with nanotechnology can be superior in quality to anything naturally found. Nanomaterials, such as nanoscale silicon and graphene, are being explored as anode materials for lithium-ion batteries. These materials have a higher surface area, allowing for greater lithium storage capacity. Nanotechnology is also being used to modify cathode materials to enhance their stability and energy density. Could be very expensive to manufacture however.
There are other companies working on Si anodes. There is, at least, one producing their batteries in the 10s of thousands. There is very little need to 10X the current 300+/- mile range. Extra power dense batteries will be used to reduce the weight of the vehicle by reducing the size of the battery pack and lower the cost of the vehicle.
For the record it's easy to give a diesel vehicle 5,000km range and still have heaps of capacity for carrying or towing a significant load.
But if they can achieve say 3kw/h per kg, that would make EVs very usable for actual working vehicles.
Great! This marks the 21,561st breakthrough in the last 6 months that will end ICE... I love my S-LR, but it's not for everyone. What *will* pretty much end ICE is a battery pack that will last 25 years min, be half the weight and half the cost per kwh of current packs and actually makes scaled production. That's it. You don't even need more range or faster recharge time, neither of which has EVER been a problem in the 5 years I've been using my S.
(and create an economic model where the payments stretch out that 25 years - or a really affordable personal leasing system)- oh and ensure the bodies last out the 25 years. )
If the weekly payments were immediately similar or better than a small town car, nobody would have a problem (provided the residential carpark has charge points)
@@kadmow People also needs to move after charging.
@@gold9994 ; only in en-route superchargers, for residential or public carpark chargers, every stall simply needs a 33kW outlet (easy to provide in 3P countries) only a small percentage of all those who plug in will draw the full charge at any particular time of the day, or in commutter carparks, where everybody enters at 6:30-7:45 and stay all day, scheduling is simple and opaque to the person wholeaces the car there for 10 hours..
LFP nbatterues last NOW 500,000 miles, a lot more than the 150,000 miles an ICE car last.. Tesla has cut cost by a lot, but in less than 2 years from now it will cut the price by half, that is a lot better than 1/3. Need to be aware of the fast changing numbers on ther ev world. Now they have L3P wich cost even less.
@kadmow I'm 63 years, I've owned probably over 40 autos , none of them over 6 years.
There has been a recent beat-up of spontaneous combustion of battery packs in cars and busses causing mayhem and a cost blowout to bus companies.
"Could be too good to be true." Ya think? Believe it when you see it on sale.
Designers will still need to do something about thermal runaway.
This is still a problem we need to face when making batteries from lithium.
This might be the tech that allows human swappable batteries.
Let's assume current battery packs weigh about 500kg.
A tenfold increase in density means the same pack can now weigh 50kg.
If we split it into 4 modules, 12.5kg each, an average person can just pull one out and replace it with a charged one. No need for expensive high maintenance heavy machinery to swap batteries anymore.
Good news if borne out.
This potential has been known for a long time, the issue has been coming up with the right recipe. It's not just an issue of longevity and capacity. Safety is also a big issue and a lot of energy packed in a small space is always a big concern.
To be realistic and bearing in mind safety issues, I think practical improvements to the capacity of lithium batteries will be in the range of 50-100%. That is still a very worthwhile improvement.
Let's hope they have cracked it.
Unfortunately, every day there is a breakthrough. Until now we didn’t see anything appearing on the market. However, I like your channel a lot. Lots of useful info every time.
Supply and Demand. When the Demand is there, manufacturers, inventors, and scientists R&D a way to meet it. There wasn't a demand for EV's before but now that there is they will exponentially get better.
A 300 mile range is very practical unless you're constantly road tripping and you're one of those people that prides themselves on driving 10 hours without a break. Personally i like to get out of the car for 20 minutes every 4-5 hours anyway. If i'm going beyond 600 miles each direction, i'm flying.
Apparently, some people drive with a 2 liter soda bottle strapped to their thighs...
I haven't read the research, but I have a suspicion that the 10x is meant to apply to the energy density of the anode rather than to the whole battery. Even if you completely eliminated the weight of the anode that wouldn't 10x the energy density of the whole battery because it's only one component of the total weight.
Electric vehicles have improved so quickly. It is hard to imagine where we will be by 2030 but the ICE is melting fast.
5000 km of range would be better than what we currently have for trucks. It could potentially reduce the cost of everything.
"This will change the world" Yar right, they all say that.
If this comes into production it will have a bigger market than cars. The impact in other industries, such as electrical supply companies, technology. While a small industry in comparison but life changing effect on the paraplegic sector, and people’s lives.
I heard about this 2 years ago, and as far as I recall it was even mentioned at Tesla's battery day.
In Germany the main problem is price of energy. They charge DC around 60 Cents/kw....too much if you take the more difficult handling in daily using compare ICE Cars into account. The second problem is fire fear.
But after all....yes....doubling energy would make trailer use and faster velocity much easier....and less stops. Would say, doubling is enough....and half energy prices. And less problematic fire behavior. I mean if you park an Ev in your Garage under the house, it will disappear in case of fire 🤷♂️😊
You don't understand this research paper. It said the silicon anode they made could store up to 10 times the amount of lithium-ions compared to graphite anodes. At best this could double the energy density, since the anode of only about half of the battery. There are no changes to the cathode, which is around half of the battery.
Range is less affected by weight that bare weight suggests. More power is used to accelerate the vehicle but most of that is recovered in regen braking. This is how Tesla Semi achieves its range.
10X increase in gravimetric density would revolutionize electric everything. We would see electric aircraft for sure. We would also see a host of new devices we can't even imagine yet.
Sam, please provide the details of these research groups you refer to. Just saying there’s one in Sth Korea and another somewhere else is too vague. Who are they, how can the the published papers be accessed, who has done the peer reviews, etc. My son has a BSc and a Masters in Chemical Engineering and just rolls his eyes at all these unsupported claims going around social media about “revolutionary” new batteries.
That attitude of yours would limit this channel's production of breathless game changing videos, hence reducing the number of views and subsequent TH-cam revenue.
What about details of the charging cycle for a battery with such increased energy density ?
I would love to see a 300-mile battery pack that's 5-10x smaller/lighter and relatively inexpensive. Used EVs with these battery packs would have great resale value. Would free up a lot of interior space. Tires would last a lot longer and would be cheap to replace. Even better if recharge time is 5-10x less.
I only wished we were concentrating on electrification of transportation years ago. Our research would be leaps and bounds ahead of where it is today.
As a builder/designer of passive solar homes and advovate for solar PV for the last forty years, I fear we may have missed the boat when looking at the current looming environmental disaster.
President JF Kennedy was a solar proponent in the 60's. He understood the consequences of relying on foreign oil and the pollution caused by the combustion of these fuels. As Elon Musk said, there would not of been a need for Tesla if GM hadn't killed the electric car
IMAGINE THE IMPACT ON SHIPPING AND AIRLINE TRAVEL not to mention trucking and regular auto !
Significant increases in the storage density could make practical simple adaptation of existing ICE designs for BEV. In the early years, makers have had to completely redesign their platforms to accommodate the battery packs. This has been very expensive for legacy auto makers. Consider if an automaker could replace the engine in a front drive car with an electric motor and the gas tank with an ultra-dense battery pack.
So, they are saying 10X. The 1K Aptera becomes a 10K version. It means that on one charge, you can go from New York to LA, and back, and back again, leaving you a 750mile charge remaining.
But hold on! I Just googled driving time. 42 hours NY to LA. Assuming you drive the daylight hours, that's 5 days+ which translates to another 250miles range X 3 added by the Solar panels. So we still have 1400miles range.
A trip to San Fran and back is in order. Leaving you still about 750+ and 6hrs of solar time.
Where to next? Vegas ! And Back! Leaving you with still 200+ range.
Or, on the cheapest Aptera version, the 250miles range becomes 2500. Add in in the Solar and NY to LA on one charge is doable or close to it.
And the faster you drive, the more efficient is the Aptera.
Sounds good to me! No bathroom breaks allowed though, and you may have to leave the AC off.
Yep! I doubt we will see that soon. But even if it's a 2x improvement instead of 10X, still sounds good.
When is that battery ready? Somehow, I don't think I will be postponing my purchase that long.
Imagine a lithium battery with a liquid electrolyte, bursting into flames thanks to a rogue dendrite, but with 10x the energy density. Reducing the weight by 10x would be a great thing, though.
New one every week. If just one of these comes true. The world changes in a decade
I’m skeptical but hopeful. If these batteries are a dream come true, that would make electric aviation feasible.
If they could quadruple energy density whilst keeping mass low, then longer range electric air travel will be possible. Even a doubling would enable short haul passenger transport.
Be amazing for lightweight EV's. Imagine a 200bhp motor with a 20lb battery.
10x is icing on the cake, but even with the near commercialisation of 500kw/kg from CATL and the like, EV will blow any ICE hypercars out of the water on any performance metrics.
this would be a crazy battery if it makes it to production.
60kwh battery on a M3SR is about 270 miles of range
30kwh battery would mean about 135 miles of range
but if its even just 4x thats over 500 miles of range on a 30kwh battery, and will prob save about 300-600 pounds of vehicle weight in the process. that also would mean charging speed would be 5-10 min at current charging speeds.
this is when people suddenly will consider an EV far more.
imagine buying a model 3 with a 60kwh battery pack made of this, assuming reality its only 4x not 10x......thats well over 1000 miles of range for a 20-30 min charge.....
its not just about range though, its about power grid strain as well.
Not many adressed the fundamental problem of elektification of transport. For US alone the cost setting up the infra structure is 3 to 5 trillion dollars.
As costs of making fuel drops, the customer gets that advantage over times. For example, E-fuels from RE now are targeted for around $5-6/gallon gasoline (several companies...).
Over time the techs of RE/nuclear and fuel making can improve and drop in costs. The old fuel cost of $5-6/gallon can drop to perhaps $2-3/gallon and the person with a combustion car benefits without having to sell his car at a loss like he would with an old EV.
CO2 capture now costs $2.2/gallon gasoline, but in the future it might cost $1/gal to capture CO2 to make a gallon of E-gasoline.
NET is targeting $1/gal with car CO2 capture. A nuclear plant (not over grid) might be $1-1.5/gal for electricity and $1/gal to capture the CO2, for a total of $2 to $2.5/gal.
This does NOT happen with EVs as the OLD battery tech is stuck in the car, but with fuels, the advancement of fuel making goes to old cars, thus preserving the customers investment and allowing old cars (with CO2 in their making) to be used for 60+ years in all parts of the world.
NET is designed for 60 years and 900,000 miles. NO EV can due to corrosion and electronics that fail in less than 20 years.
The KEY to low CO2 is long life cycle, and EVs just can't. The major key is CO2 recycling which is 1% of gasoline from oil. Low glider (body build CO2) CO2 and low RE fuels makes EV approach CO2 neutral, especially fuels made from RE plants that have sequestration.
In short EVs are invalid for CO2 reduction...
We have zero interest in AV Anxiety Vehicles. We just purchased a new 2023 Hybrid Prius. 55 MPG/ 550 mile range without the anxiety 😎
@@zoobrizz What is an "AV Anxiety Vehicle" ? With RE fuels you can run the Prius with E-gasoline made from RE, or use oil gasoline in the Prius. Over times the cost of E-fuels will come down and so will oil as competition heats up. I would guess $1.5/gallon for E-fuels and $2/gal for oil gasoline if the market were allowed to exist. With E-fuels you are 1/2 the CO2 of an EV on 100% RE... There is no point to a BEV.
I have seen a Sapphire here in Arizona in person 6 months ago charging at EA at San Tan Village.
I know Sam usually only talks about EVs but it this technology actually materializes, just think what a battery like this could do for mobile phones and computers, not to mention the Apple Watch I charge every day. If it works, I would only have to charge my watch maybe once a week, same with my laptop. Even though these devices don't use that much electricity for each charge, only charging them once a week would significantly reduce your monthly electrical bill. Add these batteries to RVs and other camping equipment and you'd be able to go off-road for a lot longer without having to use an ICE generator. Solar panels, even weaker ones, might be able to provide enough of a charge to keep these batteries going for much longer than current batteries.
No it would not reduce your electric bill. the devices using the power are still using as much power. Just that the battery holds more in it, will not change that.
@@nicholaspostlethwaite9554 Not necessarily. The potentially same size battery would have 10x the capacity. Charging it might not take 10x the current amount of charging capability. We won't know until they actually publish final information.
I love how the EV promoters constantly uses words like maybe, might, hopefully, they say, perhaps, if, etc...
Check out the CATL Condensed Matter battery (500+Wh/kg). No mights, no maybes, no hopefully. Being tooled up now, for production starting q4 2023.
Another day, another game changer.
If you swap a pheasant for a grouse, that’s a game changer.
If you swap Call of Duty for EVE Online, that's a game changer.....
I also wish it were true that they find technology of super conductivity under normal temperature, in another report
Infrastructure, towing and carrying capacity are still barriers to be overcome.
If the end product is even half as effective, a 5x power density boost will make power storage, no matter the application, advance manifold.
There will be no step-change breakthroughs in Batter technology for the foreseeable future. That being said, I do expect that there will be a continued , gradual , year over year increase in energy density and / or charging speed for a given cost.
Have you found ANY battery (EV) recycling ♻️ company yet ???
And witness the process ??
We have seen promises of a "miracle battery" before, I am not holding my breath.
Whether this is flawed hype or the real deal , either way this highlights the enormous effort going on in laboratories around the world to improve battery technology. Most
Of this will be dead ends but a small percentage will be successful. Ultimately the incremental improvements over time will lead to significant improvement over time and range
Anxiety will be a thing of the past.
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Why are there so many labs researching battery chemistry/design these days? It's the money. 20 years ago there was no strong motivation to do battery reseach other than curiousity and basic research grants. There was no money flowing like a giant river into universities as we are seeing today. That's because now, there is a much better chance of a big jackpot if a breakthrough is made.
The daily invention- of-the-century.
Ahhh... Time for my 5 o' clock battery breakthrough.
We have zero interest in AV Anxiety Vehicles. We just purchased a new 2023 Hybrid Prius. 55 MPG/ 550 mile range without the anxiety 😎
This would solve all the problems with energy storage from wind and solar power.
There is a reason that the best-performing Teslas have the largest batteries. Power density has a role to play, as well. Since no comment is made about power density let's assume that this does not change with the addition of silicon. If enough silicon is added to the anode to provide 10-times the additional range, the mass and resulting performance is not appreciably changed. We only have the convenience of driving from Massachusetts to Florida, say, without charging. So lets reduce the mass of the new battery by about 1/2. For my older model X, this would represent about a 12% reduction in the vehicle mass but a reduction in peak power capability from the battery. While I might be happy with the now 5-times range improvement and okay with nearly halving the performance at this level. I am probably not happy with a further halving of the performance, trying to attain only a 2.5 times in range. A flaw in my argument is that my experience is with already 6-year old li-ion technology. I don't have an appreciation for the increase in power density over these years. There might be some additional performance to give up in exchange for less mass.
To be clear, vehicle mass impacts acceleration times and rolling resistance but does not impact aerodynamic drag, the key determinant on range when travelling. Mass is more important for daily local driving where range is seldom an issue.
Unless a claim is made that the power density is scaling along with energy density, I suspect we will see more rapid progress on the inclusion of silicon in existing battery manufacturing processes to enable equivalent or modestly longer range with modestly less mass and a small reduction in performance.
Also, keep in mind that increasing energy density while maintaining power density makes for longer charge times. Remaining silent on power density is advertising not disclosure.
A final thought. Silicon is a semiconductor whereas graphite is a conductor. What is the electron mobility from the anode contact to the silicon atom that has bound to the lithium anion? Does this imply that power density may suffer with the addition of silicon? So much information is missing.
Over the last 30 years how many times have we heard stories of battery miracles from small research teams? I suggest you get excited when CATL or Panasonic announces the breakthrough.
With standard batteries being obsoleted weekly, I'll wait for the battery tech to mature somewhat. By then, perhaps they will build an EV that would actually suit my needs.
A fully Silicon anode would increase the energy density of the anode maybe up to 2X and increase the energy density of the battery maybe 20% - not 10 X or anything remotely like that.
Thanks for the information about long range EV's will be coming. It is just a matter of time.
I will be happy with my Model Y long range since I am retired and only drive around town.
So the current range in my Model Y will be adequate for me. Plus I will always charge at home.
Technology will always get better, it now comes down to when to pull the trigger and buy something Electric. It is like the computer world. We buy the best PC at the time and it becomes obsolete because engineers are always in the process to making faster newer improvements.
The battery advances won't involve increasing range - even today's EVs have more than enough range for daily drivers who recharge overnight (the vast majority of 1st world car use). The biggest benefit of higher energy density batteries will be in having smaller batteries in the cars, thus reducing both weight & cost of the cars as well as slowing down the negative environmental impact of mineral extraction to make more and more batteries.
It could be a game changer if only 50% more energy density. It is widely accepted by many researchers in the battery space that silicon anode is ideal from an energy sperspective, except that the battery would not last, degrading substantially with each cycle. Solving the degredation problem is the key, so the binding innovation seems to unlock the method of realizing this increase in energy density by preserving the battery structure. Extensive cycle testing in a 4680 format battery would give us some assurance that this is true.
Another day, another game changing battery tech...
I like your BS-calling mode better than the present mode of breathlessly repeating somebody's hyper-optimistic claims!
Exactly, and it's common for researchers to exaggerate claims to obtain funding. When did this youtuber become a battery expert with the ability to evaluate research study results?
Thing is , this is research I'd otherwise miss, so I appreciate these vids. I'd subscribe to a second channel dedicated to these sort of videos though.
Both are important in my book. Just calling BS leads to much negativity, and the electromobilty movement has to be optimistic as a whole..
Right! Every video “No one else will exist because this is the future.” For every single company out there ¿
Halfway through your presentation all you said was bated breathe repetition. If they really got it just put the stupid tech out there!
New batteries and superconducting materials. Sounds like the perfect storm for electric vehicles.
I can just imagine charging a battery like that at home from a regular power socket. When people ask “How long does it take to charge from empty?”, the response will be “Errr, about 2 weeks”
Could be a deal breaker for those who need to drive coast to coast every week.
It takes just over two hours to replenish an average day's driving with a plug in 10 amp 240v charger.
This is great news - but it does not solve the charging issue - where is the energy coming from, and how will it be delivered ?
We need the infrastructure first - then the vehicles.
One thing to do in the lab - another all together to mass produce at scale.
At 10x density it's going to involve some fun safety design. Also probably very interesting if it can be combined with cheaper lower density options like sodium batteries to get something 4x current. That would be a big shift for home batteries being able to reasonably put 100kWh of battery into a house in a decade or so really changes the gird.
10x density also means we can finally have gauss rifiles and railguns.
It will be YEARS before this would be on the market...if it even works.
yes, researchers say... i believe when i see it on the road.