EMERGENCY: ON A SOUTHEASTERN TRAIN
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- EMERGENCY: ON A SOUTHEASTERN TRAIN
#SouthernStrike - "What if.." Video 2 - EMERGENCY
These videos are based on real events but the locations, characters and companies featured are the product of this dramatisation. Please note some viewers may find some scenes upsetting.
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• CAN YOU SEE IT'S SAFE?
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The dramatic incident featured is based on real life events which culminated in an uncontrolled emergency evacuation of a train. Imagine yourself as a passenger on the train if this were to happen to you? What would you do? Could the driver have done anymore? Could he see clearly what was happening? Was he too busy with other tasks? Are train staff under too much pressure in events like these? Could a guard have helped reassure the passengers and keep them safe?
Think this doesn't happen in real life? WRONG! YES IT DOES! • Passengers Evacuate So...
Remember "DOO is safe"
This dramatisation was made by the RSSB and highlights the increased dangers of Driver Only Operated trains.
This video is copyright of the RSSB and is presented here for education & evaluation purposes only.
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Watching this, I was shocked why this train didn't have a guard. That boy wouldn't have lost his life if there way a guard.
Potentially but had the driver done his job properly communicating with the signaller and his passengers then the boy wouldn't have lost his life. Even with a guard onboard the boy could have still potentially been run over or electrocuted by the third rail.
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Fault lies between the train driver and the central command - help line, poorly trained.
I was once aboard a train when we were going full speed ... Suddenly we heard a loud horn and the driver slammed on the emergency brakes ... i was nearly thrown off my seat so i didnt take much notice but then we heard a loud bang. Then we were waiting for about 10-15 minutes where no one really said something and we just looked around if everyone was alright. My father was worried why the driver wasnt saying anything so he walked up to the cab. Turned out we just hit a person with the train. We couldnt and wouldnt get off the train for another 30 minutes before it was save to leave without seeing ... well ... the person. It was a very frightening experience i still remember today. Sadly.
Sadly this happens a lot more often than people might think, especially on the Tube, horrific for everyone involved.
I'm so sorry this hapoened to you! I don't know what is gonna happen to me when I'm a train driver later
Let me know if you need a block . The signal should of put the signals to red straight away ffs
Exactly. He is an idiot who actually deviated from proper procedure instead of following it.
@@PottersVideos2 A guard could have done the same thing anyway.
@@devoniantt1562 What thing? I thought that speaking to the signaller was always done by the driver, even on a guarded service!
Potter's Police Videos you thought wrong. Generally yes, and in an emergency yes. However in the chaos of a big emergency the guard will too. Potentially it may be the only such call if the driver is incapacitated. All our guards at my TOC are fully trained in emergency call procedures and emergency protection of the line.
There is also a red lever in the cab if the driver pulls that lever it sends all signals in the area to red
As if he didn't check what was going on!!!! A good 5 mins wasted, stupidity beyond belief.
Signaller was a disgrace. The line should have been blocked immediately.
haddockman30 he also shouldn't have asked the questions to the driver how he did, he should have instructed the driver to find out why and then call him back, not just make him wait, hopefully in the real situation a lot was learnt
5:32 TH-cam captions: laughter
Probably the beeping of the doors
This reminds me of when I witnessed something like this. I was waiting at a railway crossing when a pedestrian climbed the barrier and tried crossing the tracks. It was the most horrific thing in my life!! Always be safe on the railway
Blimey how can anyone be so stupid😮
Frightening the driver didn't just have a quick peep out of his window. Had there been a guard no doubt this wouldn't have been as bad. Once a fire is observed you should order a block and traction current isolated too, it horrified me when I saw those passengers jump off the 6ft side and not onto the cess or lineside.
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They don't have Guards on Southeastern trains also the driver should of said if you de-train go onto the side with no line.
*on the
@@TraineePilotJess They have guards on coast to London
@@charliebland2290 I never knew that.
This is why you need guards on the train they can deal with emergencies and communicate relevant information between driver and passengers, the driver cannot leave cab or 1st coach without signallers permission so keeping the guard on services is vital and this situation would never happen
I agree with you Common Casual Boxing
I'm pretty sure he can't even enter the 1st coach without signallers permission
Common Casual Boxing I agree
Actually, better a train with no guard than no train at all.
Agreed but even without a guard this wouldn't have happened had the driver followed his procedure properly.
He tried soo hard he deserves to be remembered respect to those who try but lose their life
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly.
There are some really important things to learn out of this.
"This is an emergency call"
Could've gotten a block a lot sooner
If ever there was a reason for keeping Guards on trains, this was it!
This event never happened, it's a totally fictional dramatization for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly.
This did happen, it is a dramatisation of a real event.
Surely the driver should have been allowed to unlock the doors and tell the passengers to stand in front of the train where he could see them and tell them to stay away from the tracks. And yes the traffic controller should have called for an emergency stop for approaching trains
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly.
@@mfx1 I was traincrew when this was shown to us in a safety briefing. We were told it is an enactment of an actual incident. Aside from that, I was the guard on a train that did have smoke-filled carriages and passengers jumping off, thankfully on the safe side. The driver was six coaches away. The whole incident was managed much more safely with a guard on the train.
@@tarquinbullocks1703 They were wrong to tell you that, I worked on the production of it.
@@mfx1 Fair enough. Fact is, they showed this to us in a guards' safety briefing while we were disputing the safety of DOO. Someone upstairs was clearly on our side as you couldn't find a video that was much more supportive of keeping guards on the the trains!
Problem is 3 rail and passengers in the 4 foot way safest place is The Cess best side to evacuate from is nearside ( Left hand side doors facing the direction of travel) but the biggest mistake was activated the pass com at the wrong door best place was get to the next carriage and activate the pass com as the driver could be told of the danger
Passengers are NOT supposed to jump off the train track side, in which it clearly states on posters all over the train. The driver can even make an announcement to also say this!
But then would you as a passenger, want to die by the smoke that was filling the carrier?
@@itsrobertl5951 the tracks are obviously electrified, otherwise the other train couldn't get pass, even though it is a remake (yes this did happen) they would still die or possibly injured by the live rails, opening them on the side with grass would save everyone's live, plus there was a third rail with 720 volts, so yeah they would die
@@jameywamey7827 *750 Volts
@@itsrobertl5951 they could of self-evacuated on the other side
Yes, but if you're dying of smoke inhalation, you don't tend to follow posters on trains....
Although I understand the driver not opening the doors straight away, but the driver should have immediatly looked into the cabin to see if anything is wrong, after the call failed, he must have heard commotion. He took too long to react.
The driver never opened the doors, a passenger did.
@@PottersVideos2 Yes, but he needed to disable the lock on the doors for the passengers to open.
@@ecoops123 The driver doesn't need to unlock then.It was Emergency egress device
Was it just me or is it they didn’t got on the class 465046 and I think they got on the unit class 465159 which it caught 🔥
But if the driver had made a REC (Railway emergency call) as per safety training the outcome would Luder have been different
This was before GSM-R which was introduced in 2016
@@milkandduckrailway323 Cab Secure Radio,yes.
5:22 RIP son🪦
This is why I NEVER go to sleep on the train just in case if a fire brakes out or there's an emergency on the train and I need to get out ASAP
Milk and Duck gaming yes, fires can be caused by disc brakes if the friction is too much
It's from a genuine safety dvd called red 43 produced by the so called impartial RSSB on the dangers of Driver Only Operation (DOO) shown to all onboard staff nationally in 2015.
It's a reenactment of a genuine incident that happened. Had a guard been onboard the situation would have been very different. That lad would still have been alive. Fact!
actually thats a opinion only not a fact
@@Kopend09 might as well be a fact. If there had been a guard there, the incident would have been investigated much sooner; then when the passengers were evacuated, the guard would have got them out of the other side of the train - or, if that was impossible, would have got the line blocked first.
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for the training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly. I worked on the production of it.
Imagine how traumatised the driver must have been after hitting that boy. Just imagine how much he would have been mentally injured by the fact that he just killed a young man, and there was nothing he could do. We know that driver saw it because he blew the horn at the boy.
he deserrves it
Shut up
@@LordEverythingtrains he literally killed the biy
Not on purpose
@@LordEverythingtrains he could have stopped he was proboably on his phone 🙄
First of all, I have NEVER heard a conversation quite like that between a driver and a signaller! The pair of them did not follow procedure at all, driver should have declared an emergency as soon as he seen the smoke: "I think so"?! Ffs! What kind of an answer is that when dealing with the signaller?! He also failed to ID himself.. I would have been lucky to keep my job, had I spoke to signaller like that! Besides, had that train had a guard, then I'm certain this would have had a different outcome. I'm glad my time on the railway is over...
This is a training video based on a real incident but not actual footage of it.
The Driver after noticing a Fire on board should have said Emergency Emergency Line Blocked i repeat Line Block..
Horrifying. No one person was ostensibly at fault. Nor failures of emergency equipment. Yet it happened. JL
I was in tears
This is a reason to keep GDs on trains
WHY AM I TEARING UP
If only there was a memorial of him… :(
Oh hi past me
This is why we need guards keep the guard on the train
We still got guards where I live
Do not let them D.O.O.
All the guards are gone on my line hahah
we'll be right back 5:22
I subed nice vid
URM btw this is notoofzilla new acc but not nice vid wtf was wrong with me
What A Sad Ending
These people love the class 465048 because it shows up in every Southeastern drama…
Once I saw a seat flaming on a southeastern 465 these trains have serious serious issues
This is why u should always detrain to the cess not through the six foot to the four foot to the cess
Oml one innocent life..
2:53 NOTHING HAPPENED? WTF?
This is so sad at the end :(
This is by far the saddest you've posted
Driver should have looked out the window as soon as he knew the passcomm wasnt going to be replied to, as soon as he saw the fire he should have made an REGC on the GSM-R, and evacuated away from the tracks.
Shouldn't have opened the door on track side
Agreed.
Can someone explain to me the process what the driver could have done ?
So in my opinion he should:
1. Check what’s going on faster.
2. Ask the signaler for a block immediately after he see the smoke
3. Communicate clearer to the signaller.
4. Make a PA
I know it’s dramatization, but damn they spent a lot of time in that smoky car lol. Waited for a plume before even considering moving lol.
Here in NYC, we would’ve been gone before the smoke was visible 😂😂
Was on a bus recently that smoked the brakes coming downhill off of the Whitestone Bridge. Before he stopped at the light after the bridge, we smelled something and was looking around. A few seconds later, we saw a little smoke coming from the wheel well. We told the driver after he turned the corner into the bus stop. And ran off the bus lol. (Smoke wasn’t nearly as thick as this).
..... TRAGIC
No conductor was required to prevent what happened, if the driver and signaller had even just communicated as per procedure then the events would have been very different
If nobody was replying to the driver on the pascom then he should have investigated, the passangers should have evacuated to the other far end of the train (though that might have been hard because some smoke was blocking the gangway) and THE SIGNALLER SHOULD HAVE IMIDIATLEY PLACED A BLOCK ON THE AJACENT LINE
Recreation of a real incident from a train crew training dvd called Red 43. Magically disappeared when government backed campaign against the guard escalated. Can’t think why... oh wait, yes I can it shows driver only working in a negative way!
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly. I worked on the production. It hasn't disappeared it's still on the RSSB site.
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The signals should've been put of ASAP. ITS A FIRE, WHAT DO THEY DO? STAY IN THERE WHEN THEY NEED TO EVACUATE?
Oh my god this was near Sundridge Park!
Gotta get the 465s to bromley north
This is a good dramatisation, but there really is no reason to put #southernstrike in the title, this is onboard a Southeastern class 465. Not a southern class 377 or 455 or 456 or 171 or 313
That isn't the point. People take advantage of the southern strikes and use it so they can gain popularity from it. Southern is completely separate from Southeastern, and regardless, if the public on that train had bothered to follow safety regulations then they would have walked to the next coach, and not directly onto the track. I will lay it out like this for you, If you want frequent trains then then either accept driver only operation or become a train driver, or you keep guards on trains and have less frequent services.
Class 465 I get what you're saying but feel like the message is still valid, yes southeastern and southern are different, but they are both train companies going through a lot of changes. There's little to no reason why this accident couldn't have happened on a southern train. And people feel safer with a guard, I'd imagine the driver would too but I've not asked any
Class 465 But can I ask as a genuine question, how does the guard affect the frequency of trains?
@@SamT The people onboard that train can hardly be blamed for following safety regulations when the driver failed to walk through when the alarm was pulled or even communicate with the signaller properly.
@@PottersVideos2 The driver can't walk through the train to see what the problem is while driving. While he can cancel the TPWS brake demand, that puts everyone on the train at risk. You need to take into consideration aswell that if the driver brings the train to a stop, it creates adverse knock-on effects for trains behind the faulty one. The majority of the time a train can coast into a station in which it is safe for passengers to evacuate.
Where was the guard then, surely he/she would have seen this
The metro lines on SE don't have guards.
Without a guard, if the passengers had behaved more rationally (which they probably won't in an emergency situation), the driver could have been given more accurate information to take the correct action.
Even if you think you'd be smart in such a situation, and would expect to guide people to safety before sounding the alarm from a safer location... when panic sets in and adrenaline starts rushing, you'll stop acting rationally.
David M be safer if a guard was there in other words
this is driver only operations
Such an unfortunate event, thoughts with all involved. But did anyone else notice the train that hit the boy in the video was traveling in the same direction as the train on fire on the wrong side? Assuming this isn’t two parallel tracks in the same direction
It's because it had to go ont the other side otherwise it may collide into the stationary train
Who cares? That has no bearing on anything.
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly. It was filed on the Bromley North branch line on a Sunday when it's normally closed, trains were filmed going in whatever direction was convenient because of time constraints in fact for the final short for safety reasons the train was filmed reversing away from the camera slowly and the footage was speeded up and reversed in post.
Accurate horn?
Who put smoke on the train.
I know it's a drama programme but why make out the rail staff are totally stupid?
Vincit Veritas it's not a drama. This is a reconstruction of the actual incident as it happened
It was based on something that actually happened for learning processes. By watching it you see some procedural problems, how decision making and communication is affected by stress of an emergency, and that problems that occur when unclear information was given.
I hope a lot was learnt from the real version of this accident, I know my trains say if there's a fire change carriage instead of jumping out. I think it also shows the public to really not stand on tracks even if it is an emergency as you don't know what could be coming
@@SomeGuy-lw2po Also, these tracks are electrified by a third rail.
@@PottersVideos2 not just normally electrified, it literally has 720 volts
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Christ! What incident was this based off?
Do NOT let them D.O.O.
nooooo way!!!! thats sooo sad
It happens all the time man even happened last week
There was no death in the real incident, it was added for dramatic effect.
There was no real incident it was invented for a training video.
As with most of these videos, it was based on a real event at the location listed, but the fatality was an unnecessary invention.
@@duncanwright7027 No, it was loosely based on two separate incidents one at Kentish Town in 2011 and Hither Green in 2013 there were no fatalities in either and the presence of a guard would have made little to no difference in either of the cases it was based on. The fatality makes the video stick in the mind a common thing with safety videos that you want people to remember, all the important safety videos I watched decades ago I can remember now because of the graphic content. You can find both the above incidents and the reports with Google, I can't post links on TH-cam, don't confuse the Hither green incident with the far more serious incident there the same year.
Thank you for confirming my comment. The incident is almost entirely Hither Green where the train was stopped by shoe gear overheating and the passengers evacuated, it was clearly not a made-up incident. The point of these videos is to promote safe working by showing where this has not occurred in the past. They are to be watched by all those whose actions would be affected by what happened. To include a fictional fatality was unnecessary and would potentially mean that any driver who has had a fatality would be unable to watch it. People's reactions will be different, personally I felt something was wrong when I watched it and I googled the incident(s) and when I realised the fatality was made up as if it was Eastenders, it lost all credibility. The question was asked on our drivers FB group and there was considerable annoyance that the producers where embellishing the story for no reason.
@@duncanwright7027 Again no, Hirher green was an organised evacuation when the train was near the station "train. Station staff rushed to assist the passengers onboard and staff from Network Rail’s nearby depot assisted passengers on the ground to evacuate through the depot.". It was Kentiah town when passengers forced their way off the train but there was no fire. The actions of the driver in both cases were completely different to the training video. So if anything the main theam of the video is closer to Kentish town but with the fire added as trying to portray frustration after a 3 hour or more wait is hard to do on a short training video.
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The train driver and the signaller are at fault, fair enough the signaller was busy but if the driver said the alarm was on then make the signals red, and the way he was asking “Do you need a block?” Of course he does, and for the driver, when the signaller said to give a minute then the driver could have checked on the train.
Did that 750V D.C 3rd rail go on fire
Why didn’t they get off the other side of the train?
Other train hit boy.
He used the right he should used the left
youtube reccomended this to me, I DIDNT NEED TO SEE THAT HE DIED TH-cam. fuck you youtube, RIP poor guy!
Keep the guard on the train
Do not let them D.O.O.
THIS VIDEO CONTAINS A JUMP SCARE TOWARDS THE END (FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME / 12 YEARS OLD
No? Jumpscares are immediate scary popups, it blackens out moments before hitting him
I am really sorry cause that boy
However, the driver should have used the passcom override foot-button.
Oh yes, you should always keep the train moving in a fire
@@Jackary1232 It allows the train to continue to a safe location (while this is pressed), so as to be on a better position if an evacuation is needed.
I feel bad for that man loosing his son
son*
This event never happened, it's a totally fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly.
amazing that it wasn't sop to look outside windows when alarmed pulled
and amazing that blocking all traffic wasn't the default when fire declared on a train on a line
just amazing
amazingly bad sop and training and culture
What was that train doing driving on the right side
On maps, I saw a southeastern train between Lewisham station. The train was on fire like this. I know that a big boy has died by another southeastern train. (THIS IS A SAD STORY ABOUT THE BIG BOY GETTING KILLED BY THE SOUTHEASTERN TRAIN.)
Something super worse happened 2 days ago at lewisham station as well and as witnessed it, so a train was coming into the platform until they used their horn, I didn't know the problem so I looked back, and BOOM someone on the tracks! I think it was attempted suicide as he didn't look scared at all, they cleared the platform and eventually closed the entire station for DLR use only
This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly.
Is this actually real time, or is it a reconstruction
A mix of both, this happened but no-one died.
I sure hope the reenactment is not an accurate representation of how the engineer and train controller actually handled it.
It wasn't a reenactment the event never happened, it was fictional loosely based on multiple real incidents purely for a training video to make a point.
In the event of a fire the train must be evacuated. Firstly the train should be stopped in a safe place e.g not in a tunnel, viaduct etc!, an emergency declared to the signaller and trains stopped on all other lines to allow the passengers to disembark safely. Where there is 3rd rail electrification then it must be de-energised. The communication between the driver and signaller in the video was poor and indecisive and the protocols were not observed.
The driver was a bit arrogant
4:45 ASSUME is to make an ASS out of U and ME. This is exactly what happened, RIP the boy.
This is a safety DVD for driver development. Of course nobody was hurt, or the camera operator would have died too, wouldn't they? All involved are actors. These DVDs are provided to stimulate best practice, learning and development for drivers. I mean, who drives with red lights at the front, not headlights?
this happened in real life aswell though
@@drugaming4595 This event never happened, it's a fictional dramatization loosely based on multiple real incidents for a training video to show would COULD happen if procedures aren't followed correctly. I worked on the production.
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Flattened!
1:10 Should NOT have hesitated to move to a safe location and then pull the emergency alarm.
Just saying it's called PassCom
dont worry its just class 465's setting on fire like usual
Yes it is a furnace train
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The first thing the driver should have done is declared an emergency and put a block on all lines
They could of used there minds and opened the doors on the side where there were trees not on a flipping track
There was the fire on the side where there were trees. This is shown briefly at 03:27
Why couldn't the passengers use the gangway to change what coach they were in, it's common sense
Fog and smoke blocking the way
The staff are completely stupid tho
And the passengers, you evacuate the train on the landside. They could have called another train to go next to that train and safely get the passengers onto it
is all right come on
Break la window if there is no other option
Stupid idea when there is an emergency door release on every door IMO.
Yes good point all trains should of been STOPPED it was a big cock up 😢😢
Keep the guard on the train this would have all been prevented!! #safetynotprofit
Two people faffing around could easily have upgraded to three!
4:49 WHAT HE SAID HE NEEDED A BLOCK WHAT HAPPENED MATE?
Its a remake and y'know dramatic things always have to happen
Cant be right. Driver signaller comms all wrong
I don't know why there was a 🔥 on the 🚆
It was probably an engine overheating
@@TheArkamedBat friction with the 3rd rail and the shoe
3:40 Given that the boy's father was still on the train and not in a fit state to evacuate then why evacuate the train? As far as I can see there was no compelling reason to do so, I would have just remained on the train with my Dad and awaited rescue.
*the fire on the train*
Why would you? You would’ve died because of a lot of smoke.
Oh dear that's not good at all and you always need a guard on the train
is this real or fake
dame
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