Steering feel is usually excellent in 172/182s. I wonder if there is something failing in the rack? Or perhaps cheap/old tyres. I've owned/worked on/tracked a few and always rated the steering as up there with my 997 C2. Lumpy idle is common on them too, usually suggests that the MAP sensor is failing rather than that it's cammed. You'd be hard pushed to see 180bhp+ from cams and an induction kit. Mine currently makes 194 at the wheels, according to Ktecs dyno, which I've been told is quite an optimistic dyno. It took a LOT more than cams and an induction kit to get it to those sort of wheel horsepower figures whilst remaining naturally aspirated. Enough that you'd know the exact mods and how much money went into it, because it's generally speaking more than the average value of a 182. Makes me consider the possibility that this car has been on an even more optimistic dyno. I've only done it because I'm a certifiable idiot who wanted to retain my interior. Stripping the remaining weight out of them is a much better way to make them fast. Shorter 5th gear from the Megan helps on some tracks too. Addictive little cars. Will never part with mine, have owned and will own far more special stuff on paper, but there's something charming about chasing down much more expensive stuff in a humble little Clio.
Yeah I’d agree on the steering, I’m no clio fanboy but the steering on mine is one thing that baffles me as to how it’s so good (given the basic nature of the chassis) I was given mine as payment for a job, intent was to sell it... years later I still have it! It’s not really worth selling (why are they so cheap when everyone loves them and they make good track cars?) It drives so well & I’ve grown to love it.
@@mr.airgun6921 I bought my first one to nip about in after I blew up a Brabus. Was only supposed to keep it for a few months but regretted selling it afterwards! Ended up buying a Trophy which I've been lightly modifying for the last few years. As for their low price, I think for a lot of people Clios just aren't cool and never will be. I have to admit I was one of them, I only bought a 182 because my mechanic recommended them, and he tracked an E30 M3 so I trusted his advice, otherwise I'd have never gone near anything French or FWD...once you've driven one in anger though there's no going back! The longer people don't want them and they're cheap the better!
@@TheExaltism I'll put my build at the bottom of this post, but it wont make sense for most people. My car is a Trophy and I wanted it to look standard, so gutting the interior (the best performance modification available) was off the cards. When I bought the car it was in need of an engine rebuild, so the engine was definitely coming out, meaning I could do a lot of mods which for anyone whos engine doesn't need to come out wouldn't make sense. My honest opinion is drive it hard stock and see where you start to want more. My brother also has a 182 which we track together, his is complete budget daily/occasional track car. He spent less on his whole car than I did on my engine, and his car does 90% of what mine does. The only place we notice a difference is on track at ten tenths. For the most part Renault got everything they could out of the 182. Things I would recommend for any 182, Toyo R888R or any other really good tyre. Sounds like a boring mod, but the sidewall rigidity completely changes the feel of the chasis and firms up the ride, reducing roll and pitch, and delivers way higher grip levels. Group N engine and trans mounts. The stock ones are terrible, these ones aren't as harsh as some of the other poly products I've experienced. Best pound for pound mod, get all the weight you can out of it. Stock it has the same power to weight ratio as a Mk1 Elise, so when you remove the weight you are playing with the big boys on track. Everything else is expensive and gives small returns. If you do track work, or you have no sense (like me) then the little changes will add up to an improved car, but for most it just isn't worth it. Here's my build so far anyway. Small note: Mine is a Trophy, and I didn't want to strip it out, I wanted it to appear largely stock. Engine block refaced. 438 Catcams. Inlet manifold port matched and polished. Induction kit. Sport cat'. Full ultra performance exhaust from Ktec. Dyno tuned on Ktecs rolling road. Group N engine and trans' mounts. Gearbox rebuilt using shorter ratio 5th gear from Megane. (Same top speed, gets there quicker). PMS adjustable rear anti roll bar. DS2500 pads, Brembo HC discs. Stock Sachs remote reservoir dampers refurbed. Toyo R888Rs. Replaced the Trophy Speedline Turini wheels with 172 cup Speedline Turinis wheels since they have a slightly different offset which widens the track and reduces roll a little. The next phase of the build will address weight without stripping the interior. If you gut a Clio 2, backseats, interior trim, door cards, radio...literary make it a race car inside...it saves 41kg. This increases the power to weight ratio massively. I have seen the difference on track, I can't even see where fully gutted Clios go. I've been looking for a way to achieve the same weight saving, without making the car look gutted. The bonnet weighs 12kg. A Fibreglass bonnet weighs 4.5kg. The rear hatch not including glass weighs 12kg, a fibreglass one weighs 4kg. The rear glass (has to be changed if you go fibreglass) weighs 7.5kg. Plexiglass weighs 3.5kg. Rear seat back (not including bench) weighs 13kg. Rear seat bench weighs 5kg. Total saving is 39.5kg. Obviously the back seats are gone, but it's by no means a stripped interior. 39.5kg lost is a lot on an already light car like the Clio. This is my plan for phase two of my Trophy build.
My old car, wrap wasn't to everyone's taste but I thought screw it and got it done. Had the intention of turning it into a track toy, but ended up being my daily for a year. Great to see it on this channel :D
Yes, they are that good. Yes they are reliable and built in a different factory to the standard renault clios (dieppe). My 172 went on to do a loft 212k before going wrong. They handle like a dream and have oodles of lift off oversteer. Best hot hatch of the era, anyone who says otherwise needs to drive one.
These are awesome little cars. One of my housemates ran a tuning company which worked on them at university and built a carbon intake manifold as his final year project (which became the JMS RS2 inlet manifold). His 182 was bloody rapid and sounded awesome. A 197 with bucket Recaros and a wing is definitely on the list!
I've wanted one for ages honestly, they have doubled or tripled in value since this review was uploaded it's so hard to find a clean one but its a car I instantly bonded with the second I testdrove one
Love watching videos on these little beauty’s. Owned mine for 5 years now been doing videos for too! Plenty on owners in the comments and all positive. Great review! Got a sub from me 💪🏻✅
Bought a 172 in baby blue about 10 years ago as a second car and absolutely loved it; every other Sunday I would pick my friend up and we would tear up country lanes and B roads. Just remember the smiles it gave it us, great memories and probably the best little hot hatch I have owned. Sold it after about 6 months due to an offer I couldn’t refuse but damn I miss it.
Would love to see you review a Clio RS 200. Chris Harris said he would love to buried with a Clio RS 200, he loved it that much, he called it a baby Porsche GT3! . I would love to know if you feel the same way!
You said it all in that video, "does what it says on the tin", I've always fancied a 172/182 even with its reknowned electrical gremlins because I could live with them for the sake of the performance of these cars.
Hot hatch legend, had to pleasure to drive one some years back and I miss it so bad, it is so special even though is cheap, drives really incredible even though has between 13 to 17 years, hope to get one again.
Good video, I quite like the affordable car reviews. I have owned my 182 for over 2 years and use it daily. Love the little thing, it's one of the most fun cars I've ever owned. As Harry Metcalfe said, you just help driving it like a tit.
Good review. I have heard the engine is very reliable as long as change the belt, good for 150k or more. Fuel economy pretty good too for this era of car. Low weight = better disc and pad life. The 182 has better sorted rear suspension than the 172. Not sure if you mentioned mileage and whether the shocks were replaced? This is crucial in getting the handling sorted. Stock shocks are not that expensive and really make them handle like new. And if have more cash can make the handling amazing! On twisty circuits, it would be amazing. Can save on the belt change if shop around. What I did not hear you mention is the engine is difficult to mod other than the scorpion exhaust and performance filter. Sad as it could handle more power. Turbos are expensive compared to other cars if want significant extra power. Agreed, I don't care about the interior, Renault sport leave that to the fancy German cars with less reliable engines! And save your wallet. PS. The cup version has lower suspension and that improves handling. A lot of the cars on sale are the cup version! And also a lot of them have an aircon that works!
That car definitely had a manifold to cat leak... Also if the steering feel is bad in a 182 then there's something wrong... I've had my 182 8 years and owned and driven many cars, it's hard to find a car with better steering feel than a 182!!! I drove over a coin the other day and instantly knew it was a 5p!!!!
Compared to my 106 rallye or a my mate's williams the steering feel of the clio 172/182 is crap. My 172 cup was a very big disappointment.. and had spent thousands for a suspension refresh..
@@George87316 There's no way you can describe the steering feel of a 172/182 as crap unless there's something wrong..! A 106 Rallye is even more hardcore, my mate has one so I understand that, but the 182 isn't crap, it has beautiful feedback so you know exactly how far you're pushing it when cornering hard...
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@@George87316 Anyone who's actually driven either wouldn't come out with a line of Jackanory horseschit like that.
@@JayEmmOnCars like others here said, could be something wrong with that particular car. I own one for 13 years now and beside the things that annoy me the steering was never an issue, it really is one of the good things about it. The rest of what you said I completely agree on ;)
yes there is almost no room around the engine but its not a nightmare to change the timing belt..was helping with two changes ..it was just more time consuming . ..and yes one mechanic told us to never bring that car for belt changes to him again...:D:D:D
Take the 182 vs the 200 (na) and your mind will be blown away. The gear ratio's are better in the 200 but the 182 is a lot quicker. My mate owns a stripped out clio 172 with little mods on it (182 flowed intake manifold, suspension and stabi's) on the track of zolder here in Belgium it can keep up with an e36m3 3.2! These are great future classics.
what's the story behind that livery? it looks amazing, was it meant to be a special color option inspired by the Renault F1 Team when they were actually doing something in the sport?
The whole point of these cars is to rip B roads up. Not much will keep up in the twisty bits. I owned a clio Williams 1 for 14yrs and I had so much fun every time I drove it. Might get one of these for the weekends.. Or to stick a megane turbo lump in.
@@SuperConor11 Thanks for that... I could answer any question about the mk1s but have never been interested in the newer ones so I don't know much. I'm looking for a donor car now. Mk3 is an ugly car but I've found a dirt cheap mk2 trophy. I really miss my Williams now.
Love that, I have a 182 cup and I absolutely love it, cheap to run and buy and plenty quick enough, similar bhp/tonne as the s1 Elise if I’m not mistaken ?
Definitely something wrong with that particular 182 - I've owned 2 and both had excellent steering feel; one of the best I've driven (I've had around 30 cars).
I really dont think you feel the open diff struggling on the road I have to say. I have one on fresh continental tyres and never feel it struggling on a dry day. The standard cup suspension does a great job at keeping the tyres on the tarmac. I have drove these cars on budget tyres. Thats a different story.
Can you check for a Subaru Impreza Sport? (The Classic body one) Been considering one as a first car (turning 19 soon) and have somewhat sensible premiums.
Luke Watts I should be getting a 197 in September time. Owned my 182 for 5 years so very interested to see the difference and make some comparison videos!
@@gaspermedved5803 Bought mine for 900 pound 2 years ago. My dad and brother bought theirs for less than 500. All still running and driving today. Dead cheap here even now
Hmm..I seem to recall that the gearbox was the let down in this little package, it was out of sorts when compared to the neat handling and sublime steering. The gear change was not positive and if you gave it the beans on the road you found you were able to beat the synchromesh without really trying?
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Don't know where you heard that from but not true. The throw could be a little shorter and the shift can sometimes feel a little rubbery on cars particularly where the lower gearbox 'dogbone' mount is worn but overall pleasant to use. The only way you're beating the syncros is if they're knackered. Pretty tough gearboxes though.
@@JayEmmOnCars Understood. I am so pleased you are doing these affordable cars. People need an honest opinion. There really aren't many quality reviews around for this sort of car at this sort of age. I don't buy new, I buy good pedigree which is affordable.
J...i love your vids, i really do,,,,and when my car is ready you are probably the only TH-camr i would want to review my car bar Chris Harris BUT....the ONLY thing that constantly irritates me is your constant reference as to whether you can 'heel and toe' in a car. i 'learnt to heel and toe many years ago before i owned a RWD car with a LSD and i can count on one hand the amount of times i have done it on road or needed to. It may be relevant to track day drivers to an extent but the way I see it if you can heel and toe you will learn to do it any car as and when necessary. I in no way mean to offend and just offering my feedback!
I always heel and toe if I can when driving in a semi spirited fashion, it's kind to the car and makes driving more enjoyable. Some cars are not easy to do it in, some are and it's just a thing I like to discuss because to me it's a part of the driving experience.
I agree with Jay, I heel and toe constantly. Makes you feel like a racing driver even on the commute to work, and if you're always practicing then you're less likely to mess it up when you're actually driving quickly. Plus it always feels kinder to the clutch and engine to match revs. I will admit that my Mk1 MX5 is a lot easier to do it in than my 182, the pedal placement is a little far apart for my liking, I've had to adjust my technique to actually use my heel to blip the throttle rather than the side of my foot like in the MX5.
Cheap interior (reduces the price, and good for them). These engines are good for 150k-200k if looked after. It's Citroen Saxo high for sure. Plenty for sale also have air con.
Just 182 hoseepower the cars is possibilité the 250 hoseepower just is one good mecano the stage 2 is ok the 250 boost the EMS motorssport is réglage motors sooo verie good just in problem fors you in french in alsace the frontière french Allemagne
Got an ep3 but boosted so personally I’ll say ep3 due to the k20a2 being stronger than the f4r engine but you can get a clio 182 and do the k20a2 conversion loads of them being done right now so you’ll have the best handling from factory with the best engine for reliability
You do have to stay on top of maintenance, being cheap cars a lot of them have been owned by people that don’t maintain them. Mine has never let me down on road or track
Not as good as an Integra Type R dc2. 🙃 -- someone lend Jay one, please?! Mine is long sold, sadly. E2A: another great vid of course and the 182 is absolutely worthy. :)
@Az Lean Highly subjective. They are similar weight and power, though the Trophy lacks an lsd which makes for a notable disadvantage. One of my best friends owned a Trophy while I had my dc2. It was a touch slower in a straight line. It had a different sort of cornering characteristic. I would say that the Honda gives you more options on the limit, chassis wise. No other fwd car can be played on the throttle like a dc2. It *is* the quicker car, in capable hands. ;P But we're talking more about the better driver's car here anyway. That is Jay's focus. Not which is the quickest. On this subject, don't listen to me.. I defer to Evo magazine and also Autocar, who both regard the dc2 type R as the "best front wheel drive car ever made". Hard to argue with that. ;)
Poor jay hasn't driven the rs200 version yet.The best version ever.Gutted I sold mine😭Also well done on devaluing a great little car with all that aftermarket shite.
debbie peter no not really, they have a lot of “common faults”. If you look after the car and it will look after you. I’ve driven mine daily For nearly 3 years and hasn’t really missed a beat to be honest, other than the fact I’ve been through a few alternators.
@@JaackBorland Thanks for responding. I have found a 182 for just under £2500 but service history, cambelt etc change done which looks quite tidy and has a good MOT history as well so quite tempted
I’d go for it mate. They’re a bit more expensive now than they were when I got mine but they are always up and down in price. On the right roads it is a great car! Planning to get mine off the roads and onto tracks asap
@@JaackBorland I dont mind paying a little more as they are definitely a car for keeps. Car at the moment is a Mini Cooper S (2002) but fancy a change (my 4th first gen Mini lol). Have previously had 1.2 clio and 1.6 clio (both 2007 ) so I know I like them.
I always preferred the 197, it looks much newer, is built better (doesn't take much) & it's a little nicer inside... not much though. The extra horses help too ;)
as far as I can say, the 197 has slightly more mechanical grip and a smidge better build quality but only the interior compared to the 172/182. it is also heavier, thirstier, less nimble, slower low-down and has a habit of going through gearboxes. if you don't want a 172/182 then I'd look at a 200 - but only for track use. the 172/182 is a better road car.
Disappointed by this review. Main quality of this car is the handling, and you barely talked about it... also english guy worrying about quality of electrical of the car??? Isnt it english car cliché ?
Out of interest.. how do you “get away with” speeding on public roads in your videos? I mean, I’ve considered sticking a dash cam in my Iggy and taking it for a blast for my channel but don’t want to get pulled over and I feel “I did it for the views mate” won’t suffice 😂
Drive within reason and in the appropriate places. The little Clio makes more noise than speed, we didnt trouble the speed limits as much as you might think
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There she is!! That's my baby, awesome review James you're a true gent! Hope you guys like it😂😊
Did it break down on the way back?
Thankfully not😅
Your wrap looks awesome mate
Gareth Littlewood fine choice sir.
And thanks for sharing your toys!
Nice car, enjoyed the vid. Now, that steering feel. Checked the tyre pressures? The rack? The shocks? Alignment etc? What tyres are you using upfront?
this channel reminds me of what Top Gear used to be but with its own flare, proud subscriber here
Cheers man!
Steering feel is usually excellent in 172/182s. I wonder if there is something failing in the rack? Or perhaps cheap/old tyres. I've owned/worked on/tracked a few and always rated the steering as up there with my 997 C2.
Lumpy idle is common on them too, usually suggests that the MAP sensor is failing rather than that it's cammed.
You'd be hard pushed to see 180bhp+ from cams and an induction kit.
Mine currently makes 194 at the wheels, according to Ktecs dyno, which I've been told is quite an optimistic dyno.
It took a LOT more than cams and an induction kit to get it to those sort of wheel horsepower figures whilst remaining naturally aspirated. Enough that you'd know the exact mods and how much money went into it, because it's generally speaking more than the average value of a 182. Makes me consider the possibility that this car has been on an even more optimistic dyno.
I've only done it because I'm a certifiable idiot who wanted to retain my interior. Stripping the remaining weight out of them is a much better way to make them fast. Shorter 5th gear from the Megan helps on some tracks too.
Addictive little cars. Will never part with mine, have owned and will own far more special stuff on paper, but there's something charming about chasing down much more expensive stuff in a humble little Clio.
Yeah I’d agree on the steering, I’m no clio fanboy but the steering on mine is one thing that baffles me as to how it’s so good (given the basic nature of the chassis)
I was given mine as payment for a job, intent was to sell it... years later I still have it! It’s not really worth selling (why are they so cheap when everyone loves them and they make good track cars?) It drives so well & I’ve grown to love it.
@@mr.airgun6921 I bought my first one to nip about in after I blew up a Brabus. Was only supposed to keep it for a few months but regretted selling it afterwards! Ended up buying a Trophy which I've been lightly modifying for the last few years.
As for their low price, I think for a lot of people Clios just aren't cool and never will be. I have to admit I was one of them, I only bought a 182 because my mechanic recommended them, and he tracked an E30 M3 so I trusted his advice, otherwise I'd have never gone near anything French or FWD...once you've driven one in anger though there's no going back! The longer people don't want them and they're cheap the better!
Hey man, just interested in what you've done, and what you recommend doing to my lovely little stock Clio 182? (performance wise)
@@TheExaltism I'll put my build at the bottom of this post, but it wont make sense for most people. My car is a Trophy and I wanted it to look standard, so gutting the interior (the best performance modification available) was off the cards. When I bought the car it was in need of an engine rebuild, so the engine was definitely coming out, meaning I could do a lot of mods which for anyone whos engine doesn't need to come out wouldn't make sense.
My honest opinion is drive it hard stock and see where you start to want more. My brother also has a 182 which we track together, his is complete budget daily/occasional track car. He spent less on his whole car than I did on my engine, and his car does 90% of what mine does. The only place we notice a difference is on track at ten tenths. For the most part Renault got everything they could out of the 182.
Things I would recommend for any 182, Toyo R888R or any other really good tyre. Sounds like a boring mod, but the sidewall rigidity completely changes the feel of the chasis and firms up the ride, reducing roll and pitch, and delivers way higher grip levels.
Group N engine and trans mounts. The stock ones are terrible, these ones aren't as harsh as some of the other poly products I've experienced.
Best pound for pound mod, get all the weight you can out of it. Stock it has the same power to weight ratio as a Mk1 Elise, so when you remove the weight you are playing with the big boys on track.
Everything else is expensive and gives small returns. If you do track work, or you have no sense (like me) then the little changes will add up to an improved car, but for most it just isn't worth it.
Here's my build so far anyway. Small note: Mine is a Trophy, and I didn't want to strip it out, I wanted it to appear largely stock.
Engine block refaced.
438 Catcams.
Inlet manifold port matched and polished.
Induction kit.
Sport cat'.
Full ultra performance exhaust from Ktec.
Dyno tuned on Ktecs rolling road.
Group N engine and trans' mounts.
Gearbox rebuilt using shorter ratio 5th gear from Megane. (Same top speed, gets there quicker).
PMS adjustable rear anti roll bar.
DS2500 pads, Brembo HC discs.
Stock Sachs remote reservoir dampers refurbed.
Toyo R888Rs.
Replaced the Trophy Speedline Turini wheels with 172 cup Speedline Turinis wheels since they have a slightly different offset which widens the track and reduces roll a little.
The next phase of the build will address weight without stripping the interior.
If you gut a Clio 2, backseats, interior trim, door cards, radio...literary make it a race car inside...it saves 41kg. This increases the power to weight ratio massively. I have seen the difference on track, I can't even see where fully gutted Clios go.
I've been looking for a way to achieve the same weight saving, without making the car look gutted.
The bonnet weighs 12kg. A Fibreglass bonnet weighs 4.5kg.
The rear hatch not including glass weighs 12kg, a fibreglass one weighs 4kg.
The rear glass (has to be changed if you go fibreglass) weighs 7.5kg. Plexiglass weighs 3.5kg.
Rear seat back (not including bench) weighs 13kg.
Rear seat bench weighs 5kg.
Total saving is 39.5kg.
Obviously the back seats are gone, but it's by no means a stripped interior.
39.5kg lost is a lot on an already light car like the Clio. This is my plan for phase two of my Trophy build.
Could be as simple as tyre pressure which can really affect steering feel.
My old car, wrap wasn't to everyone's taste but I thought screw it and got it done. Had the intention of turning it into a track toy, but ended up being my daily for a year. Great to see it on this channel :D
Good call on the wrap I say!
@@JayEmmOnCars with your taste in shirts !
Ooolomm mk
That sounds incredible for an inline-four.
Yes, they are that good. Yes they are reliable and built in a different factory to the standard renault clios (dieppe). My 172 went on to do a loft 212k before going wrong. They handle like a dream and have oodles of lift off oversteer. Best hot hatch of the era, anyone who says otherwise needs to drive one.
The 206 gti 180 is a lot worse?
These are awesome little cars. One of my housemates ran a tuning company which worked on them at university and built a carbon intake manifold as his final year project (which became the JMS RS2 inlet manifold). His 182 was bloody rapid and sounded awesome. A 197 with bucket Recaros and a wing is definitely on the list!
I've wanted one for ages honestly, they have doubled or tripled in value since this review was uploaded
it's so hard to find a clean one but its a car I instantly bonded with the second I testdrove one
Love watching videos on these little beauty’s. Owned mine for 5 years now been doing videos for too! Plenty on owners in the comments and all positive. Great review! Got a sub from me 💪🏻✅
Have watched and subbed to your videos mate, they're awesome keep up the good work!!😊
What a good sounding 4 pot, very pleasant on the ears!
Bought a 172 in baby blue about 10 years ago as a second car and absolutely loved it; every other Sunday I would pick my friend up and we would tear up country lanes and B roads. Just remember the smiles it gave it us, great memories and probably the best little hot hatch I have owned. Sold it after about 6 months due to an offer I couldn’t refuse but damn I miss it.
Would love to see you review a Clio RS 200. Chris Harris said he would love to buried with a Clio RS 200, he loved it that much, he called it a baby Porsche GT3! . I would love to know if you feel the same way!
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You said it all in that video, "does what it says on the tin", I've always fancied a 172/182 even with its reknowned electrical gremlins because I could live with them for the sake of the performance of these cars.
Hot hatch legend, had to pleasure to drive one some years back and I miss it so bad, it is so special even though is cheap, drives really incredible even though has between 13 to 17 years, hope to get one again.
I don't usually like how 4-cylinder engines sound, but that is a bloody superb noise.
sounds weak compared to a honda
Hondas sound dreadful.
@@user-ue6iv2rd1n
More like sounds ten times better than a Honda.
My little cousin stuck a turbo off an STi on his 182 and it now makes 270 at the wheels!!
It is absolutely insane.
Back in the day people used to say 106 gti's/saxo vts' were cammed if the idle control valve had gone Hahahaha.
Hi. Thanks for an informative vid'. Nice to see you back wearing 'proper' shirts. :)
Good video, I quite like the affordable car reviews. I have owned my 182 for over 2 years and use it daily. Love the little thing, it's one of the most fun cars I've ever owned. As Harry Metcalfe said, you just help driving it like a tit.
What is reliability like? I have heard they can cost a fortune.
Good review. I have heard the engine is very reliable as long as change the belt, good for 150k or more. Fuel economy pretty good too for this era of car. Low weight = better disc and pad life. The 182 has better sorted rear suspension than the 172. Not sure if you mentioned mileage and whether the shocks were replaced? This is crucial in getting the handling sorted. Stock shocks are not that expensive and really make them handle like new. And if have more cash can make the handling amazing! On twisty circuits, it would be amazing. Can save on the belt change if shop around. What I did not hear you mention is the engine is difficult to mod other than the scorpion exhaust and performance filter. Sad as it could handle more power. Turbos are expensive compared to other cars if want significant extra power. Agreed, I don't care about the interior, Renault sport leave that to the fancy German cars with less reliable engines! And save your wallet. PS. The cup version has lower suspension and that improves handling. A lot of the cars on sale are the cup version! And also a lot of them have an aircon that works!
I'm looking for to buy a 182, do you have any tips I should look after
That car definitely had a manifold to cat leak... Also if the steering feel is bad in a 182 then there's something wrong... I've had my 182 8 years and owned and driven many cars, it's hard to find a car with better steering feel than a 182!!! I drove over a coin the other day and instantly knew it was a 5p!!!!
Compared to my 106 rallye or a my mate's williams the steering feel of the clio 172/182 is crap.
My 172 cup was a very big disappointment.. and had spent thousands for a suspension refresh..
@@George87316 There's no way you can describe the steering feel of a 172/182 as crap unless there's something wrong..! A 106 Rallye is even more hardcore, my mate has one so I understand that, but the 182 isn't crap, it has beautiful feedback so you know exactly how far you're pushing it when cornering hard...
@@George87316
Anyone who's actually driven either wouldn't come out with a line of Jackanory horseschit like that.
So nice of Jays shirt designer/tailor to lend him his Clio!
If only you could find a mint "Williams" to review. When i was a young teenager, they were the holy grail of Hot Hatches.
DJ_PaulTUK Good call, top looking car.
this is the first time I heard someone complain about the "steering feel" of the 182. these are the last RS cars with hiraulic-assisted steering.
That doesn't make it good
@@JayEmmOnCars like others here said, could be something wrong with that particular car. I own one for 13 years now and beside the things that annoy me the steering was never an issue, it really is one of the good things about it. The rest of what you said I completely agree on ;)
yes there is almost no room around the engine but its not a nightmare to change the timing belt..was helping with two changes ..it was just more time consuming . ..and yes one mechanic told us to never bring that car for belt changes to him again...:D:D:D
Love the new intro and especially the outro!
0:56 love the wrap looks proper cup car
Take the 182 vs the 200 (na) and your mind will be blown away. The gear ratio's are better in the 200 but the 182 is a lot quicker. My mate owns a stripped out clio 172 with little mods on it (182 flowed intake manifold, suspension and stabi's) on the track of zolder here in Belgium it can keep up with an e36m3 3.2! These are great future classics.
the rs 200 is few hunder kilos heavier...
what's the story behind that livery? it looks amazing, was it meant to be a special color option inspired by the Renault F1 Team when they were actually doing something in the sport?
Something must be wrong with the car if there's no steering feel. You can feel everything in my 182. One of the best things about the car.
The whole point of these cars is to rip B roads up.
Not much will keep up in the twisty bits.
I owned a clio Williams 1 for 14yrs and I had so much fun every time I drove it.
Might get one of these for the weekends..
Or to stick a megane turbo lump in.
Too much work putting a megane engine in a mk2 clio, mk3 clio yes but mk2s nope, strap a turbo to these and you'd get 230bhp, plenty if you ask me
Saying that there's a couple of people putting a k20 in a mk2 clio and that would be worth the effort
@@SuperConor11
Thanks for that...
I could answer any question about the mk1s but have never been interested in the newer ones so I don't know much.
I'm looking for a donor car now. Mk3 is an ugly car but I've found a dirt cheap mk2 trophy.
I really miss my Williams now.
@@cooperwilliams4686 I'm with you on the mk3, just think it's to big, I'd love a williams
Love that, I have a 182 cup and I absolutely love it, cheap to run and buy and plenty quick enough, similar bhp/tonne as the s1 Elise if I’m not mistaken ?
But front wheel drive and loads heavier. So...
Bob Zed also 10 grand cheaper 😂
@@sammysev16 A MK3 MR2 is about the same power to weight as a Williams.
Yes it is... greatest car ever
Great cars, awkward driving position, but great fun and remarkably the core components are absolutely solid!
the gearboxes are terrible you joker lol
@@jasonjuggler3457 Wasn't aware they were that bad? Certainly don't have the same reputation as the 197's
@@spainter1985 yes, I had to fix mine in 172
You need to come and review my son's clio 200 and my megane 275 trophy both in liquid Yellow, I'm sure you'll love them both, Preston location.
That is tempting. Message me on talk@jayemm.com
That amazing inline 4🤤
172 Cup is the purest distillation. Makes even a 182 Trophy feel lumpen.
Definitely something wrong with that particular 182 - I've owned 2 and both had excellent steering feel; one of the best I've driven (I've had around 30 cars).
@Thomas Madeley agree
Probably confusing feel with speed. I've had both RS182 and RS133. The twingo turns in quicker.
I agree, although it's the off-centre steering feel that is really nice, on centre they feel a little light and strange😂
Had one in 2011 and loved it but got a Megane 225 Trophy after that which I preferred.
If I had the money I’d still love to buy one to keep
In France they are 10 000 euros with 80 000 km on the clock
Wtf lol
r32 are 20k plus in Europe
@@69bock69 it s about clios 182
no shit sherlock
I really dont think you feel the open diff struggling on the road I have to say. I have one on fresh continental tyres and never feel it struggling on a dry day. The standard cup suspension does a great job at keeping the tyres on the tarmac.
I have drove these cars on budget tyres. Thats a different story.
do the Clio 197, could compare experiences and make for a good video
Love that car,keep up the good work😎
Its intake sound is like the one of a honda VTEC engine
Without the awful exhaust note.
Can you check for a Subaru Impreza Sport? (The Classic body one) Been considering one as a first car (turning 19 soon) and have somewhat sensible premiums.
Can you review a 197 next? would be great to hear your views as I used to own one 👍
The 197 is a lump, its the 200 you want to review.
Luke Watts I should be getting a 197 in September time. Owned my 182 for 5 years so very interested to see the difference and make some comparison videos!
What’s better this car or the st150???
These are going for at least 5000€ where I am. Must be very common in the uk to be 1-2k.
They are pretty easy too find, what country are you living in?
@@markgriff9053 Slovenia
@@gaspermedved5803 How much are the old BMW Z3 like the smaller engine cars going for ovr there?
@@gaspermedved5803 Bought mine for 900 pound 2 years ago. My dad and brother bought theirs for less than 500. All still running and driving today. Dead cheap here even now
Haa my like was 172! Great review Jay!
It's a sign, you must get one!
Andrew Norris - had a 172 Cup a few years ago, I’m fancying another!!!
Hmm..I seem to recall that the gearbox was the let down in this little package, it was out of sorts when compared to the neat handling and sublime steering. The gear change was not positive and if you gave it the beans on the road you found you were able to beat the synchromesh without really trying?
Don't know where you heard that from but not true.
The throw could be a little shorter and the shift can sometimes feel a little rubbery on cars particularly where the lower gearbox 'dogbone' mount is worn but overall pleasant to use.
The only way you're beating the syncros is if they're knackered. Pretty tough gearboxes though.
I had one for 48hrs while my car was in for dealer work.
Good review Jay
Gareth from CarThrottle?
Looks like a painter and decorators overalls.
I can't unsee that now
I personally think it looks great. Usually I'm not into loud raps but I like this strangely.
Yes, do all the Clios please. I am gonna add a Trophy to my Williams.
Unfortunately I am limited to what I am offered!
@@JayEmmOnCars Understood. I am so pleased you are doing these affordable cars. People need an honest opinion. There really aren't many quality reviews around for this sort of car at this sort of age. I don't buy new, I buy good pedigree which is affordable.
Never driven a 182 but a Clio Williams is a real hoot!!
You'll be grinning from ear to ear!!
Up there with the best 😆
thats got a leaking manifold to cat gasket i reckon going by the sound of it when accelerating
It does indeed well spotted!😂
She sounds good 👍🏽
Great vid! Be cool if you could get your hands on a rs 200 for a future episode :)
My favorite one looks-wise is the 197, with the Recaro seats and wing. Very tempting little track car.
Chris Holloway can vouch that they are great cars
I am looking for a cheap fun toy.....looking at a Celica vvtli or 182 Clio.
J...i love your vids, i really do,,,,and when my car is ready you are probably the only TH-camr i would want to review my car bar Chris Harris BUT....the ONLY thing that constantly irritates me is your constant reference as to whether you can 'heel and toe' in a car. i 'learnt to heel and toe many years ago before i owned a RWD car with a LSD and i can count on one hand the amount of times i have done it on road or needed to. It may be relevant to track day drivers to an extent but the way I see it if you can heel and toe you will learn to do it any car as and when necessary. I in no way mean to offend and just offering my feedback!
I always heel and toe if I can when driving in a semi spirited fashion, it's kind to the car and makes driving more enjoyable.
Some cars are not easy to do it in, some are and it's just a thing I like to discuss because to me it's a part of the driving experience.
I agree with Jay, I heel and toe constantly. Makes you feel like a racing driver even on the commute to work, and if you're always practicing then you're less likely to mess it up when you're actually driving quickly. Plus it always feels kinder to the clutch and engine to match revs.
I will admit that my Mk1 MX5 is a lot easier to do it in than my 182, the pedal placement is a little far apart for my liking, I've had to adjust my technique to actually use my heel to blip the throttle rather than the side of my foot like in the MX5.
Cheap interior (reduces the price, and good for them). These engines are good for 150k-200k if looked after. It's Citroen Saxo high for sure. Plenty for sale also have air con.
GREAT review
Thankyou
Great video
When are you going to review a Mitsubishi EVO Lancer love to see a 6 reviewed and a 10 if possible
I reviewed two Evo Xs already!
@@JayEmmOnCars not a 6 though
Yes it is, even the 172.
its a shame that people offer their cars for you to feature to drive when there are underlying problems with the car
Just 182 hoseepower the cars is possibilité the 250 hoseepower just is one good mecano the stage 2 is ok the 250 boost the EMS motorssport is réglage motors sooo verie good just in problem fors you in french in alsace the frontière french Allemagne
Can you review the Clio 197
Random Track Slag! 🤣
Might change my name.
Btw, very nice intro.
Thankyou
Clio 182 or ep3 type R?🤔
I would go EP3 all the way. Waaaaay better in my opinion :)
Got an ep3 but boosted so personally I’ll say ep3 due to the k20a2 being stronger than the f4r engine but you can get a clio 182 and do the k20a2 conversion loads of them being done right now so you’ll have the best handling from factory with the best engine for reliability
Do the maserati 4200!!
I went to a track day once, there were four of these there that day... they all broke 😅
You do have to stay on top of maintenance, being cheap cars a lot of them have been owned by people that don’t maintain them. Mine has never let me down on road or track
I want that sound! But it'll never happen.:-(
What exhaust is that?
That’s not a Yozza system is it?!
Probs grn timing mate
Great vid
Now a subby
Not as good as an Integra Type R dc2. 🙃
-- someone lend Jay one, please?! Mine is long sold, sadly.
E2A: another great vid of course and the 182 is absolutely worthy. :)
Actually thinking about it - Jay, Honda like you, don't they. Ask them! You need to test a completely standard one after all..
@Az Lean Highly subjective. They are similar weight and power, though the Trophy lacks an lsd which makes for a notable disadvantage. One of my best friends owned a Trophy while I had my dc2. It was a touch slower in a straight line. It had a different sort of cornering characteristic. I would say that the Honda gives you more options on the limit, chassis wise. No other fwd car can be played on the throttle like a dc2. It *is* the quicker car, in capable hands. ;P
But we're talking more about the better driver's car here anyway. That is Jay's focus. Not which is the quickest. On this subject, don't listen to me.. I defer to Evo magazine and also Autocar, who both regard the dc2 type R as the "best front wheel drive car ever made". Hard to argue with that. ;)
Poor jay hasn't driven the rs200 version yet.The best version ever.Gutted I sold mine😭Also well done on devaluing a great little car with all that aftermarket shite.
It's just a bit of fun....
Not my bag but great video regardless.
👍👌🏻
If you’re prepared to fix it every other week, then yes it is that good 😂
Are they really that bad?
debbie peter no not really, they have a lot of “common faults”. If you look after the car and it will look after you. I’ve driven mine daily
For nearly 3 years and hasn’t really missed a beat to be honest, other than the fact I’ve been through a few alternators.
@@JaackBorland Thanks for responding. I have found a 182 for just under £2500 but service history, cambelt etc change done which looks quite tidy and has a good MOT history as well so quite tempted
I’d go for it mate. They’re a bit more expensive now than they were when I got mine but they are always up and down in price. On the right roads it is a great car! Planning to get mine off the roads and onto tracks asap
@@JaackBorland I dont mind paying a little more as they are definitely a car for keeps. Car at the moment is a Mini Cooper S (2002) but fancy a change (my 4th first gen Mini lol). Have previously had 1.2 clio and 1.6 clio (both 2007 ) so I know I like them.
the clio's have a habit putting out more than the claimed bhp, its not uncommon
They have a habit of the oposite mate. At least the 17/82 do.
@@sysakPL I know the 197 and 200 quite often make more, Renault telling fibs on them
My old mk2 Astra GTE 16v with 120k & rusty arches used to play with the 172 clios (in a straight line)
I always preferred the 197, it looks much newer, is built better (doesn't take much) & it's a little nicer inside... not much though. The extra horses help too ;)
isn't the 197 almost a second slower to 60? Agree it looks better though, a lot more grown up.
@@haydenmarks2895 Just double checked the 182 is 7.1s & the 197 is 6.9s. Can't decide which looks better though, the MK3 or the facelift MK3
as far as I can say, the 197 has slightly more mechanical grip and a smidge better build quality but only the interior compared to the 172/182. it is also heavier, thirstier, less nimble, slower low-down and has a habit of going through gearboxes. if you don't want a 172/182 then I'd look at a 200 - but only for track use. the 172/182 is a better road car.
@@Tribulation88 I have a 182. It's quicker to 60 than That. The 197 is a dog looks wise.
@@Tribulation88 I stand corrected. I don't mind as long as its liquid yellow. lovely colour and makes the car :)
Disappointed by this review. Main quality of this car is the handling, and you barely talked about it... also english guy worrying about quality of electrical of the car??? Isnt it english car cliché ?
I talk about the ride/handling quite a bit
I'd just get a Polo GTi or whatever it's called (there was the G40)
Yes it is a very good car but this one... jesus christ destroy it.
There are usually 2 kinds of Motoring Journalist: Jeremy Clarkson and those who try to be Jeremy Clarkson.
Out of interest.. how do you “get away with” speeding on public roads in your videos?
I mean, I’ve considered sticking a dash cam in my Iggy and taking it for a blast for my channel but don’t want to get pulled over and I feel “I did it for the views mate” won’t suffice 😂
Drive within reason and in the appropriate places. The little Clio makes more noise than speed, we didnt trouble the speed limits as much as you might think
JayEmm on Cars I’ll be honest.. genuinely surprised you replied, thanks!
That’s a good shout. I have just the road in mind ;)
Yeah, nah. You want a ST150.
Great great cars but that wrap 🤢🤮....btw they all tick over like a bag of shite.
Clio 172
with some work done.. better
they drive well but absolute piece of shit to work on, would never buy one again