MANDALORIAN Season 3 Episode 8 REVIEW: WTF was that Season? | ScreenCrush Rewind
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- Our Mandalorian season 3 episode 8 review breaks down this uneven season, and examines what went wrong along the way. The season had its enormous highs, but failed in some basic storytelling structures. Our panel breaks it down for you.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, Lee Mazzio, and Rohail Mistry
Featuring:
Matt Singer / mattsinger
Pete Fletzer / atgcast
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For some, the season was confusing, others think it was awesome-but it was definitely different from the first 2 seasons. A little later I’m going to be joined by Matt Singer and Star Wars superfan Pete Fletzer, but first, here’s my take on this season, and the finale.
First of all, the season was a bit clunky, but you have to admit, but there was so much fan service in these last two episodes I almost didn’t care. I’m into the entire story Star Wars is telling-so for me, I get way too excited about mentions of project necromancer, thrawn, and the rise of the first order. And I’ve been following the story of the Mandlorians through 4 presidential administrations-so seeing them finally retake their homeworld was incredibly satisfying for me.
Also, Bo Katan wielding the darksaber leading hundreds of mandalorians into battle-awesome. Din and grogu happy ending-awesome. Grogu talking to the mythosaur-a very cool nod for what is to come for him down the line. Plus, I liked how everyone got a little moment that tied the season together. R5 was mostly a pointless easter egg-but the show did give him a moment to be brave and conquer his fears. RIP this mouse droid though.
And then we get this happy ending where gideon is finally defeated-
Doug: Or is he?
Yeah we’ll talk about that in a second. Mandalore is united and reclaimed, and din gets to live on a farm with grogu. So the ending is happy-but did this season actually earn that peaceful resolution? IN other words, did the season do a good enough job making us care about Bo-Katan and the Mandlorians, to give this ending an emotional pay off?
You have to admit gays, this was a weird, weird season of TV. The episode structures were off, and very Boba-Fett-ish.
Doug: What do you mean by that?
Wwii, in most shows-and even in Andor-when there are several plot threads, you kind of interweave them throughout the episode. A plot, B plot. IN andor, the transitions between plot;lines are done beautifully so the stories tie together thematically-we did a whole video about that. But in the book of boba fett, they were running two storylines in the past and present, and they rarely interact with any sense of design. Same thing in this season. Almost half the episodes were stories that were bookended by other stories.
Now the mandalorian has always had this cool, self-contained, adventure of the week structure that ties together in the end. But, for instance, that pershing episode was baffling. We began with din and bo katan, then cut away to pershing on coruscant, then back to bo katan arriving. Now the episode was called the convert, so in a way that meant pershing and bo kata-but the thematic link would have been better linked had there been a bit of intercutting between the two.
Because the pershing storyline doens;t come back into play for 2 episodes-when Carson Teva wants to help pirates, then recruits Mando, then finds Gideon’s ship after the pirate battle. So that’s another episode with a weird bookend.
Episode 6 might be the most controversial, with Jack Black, Lizzo, and a Law and order noir detective tale about droid rights-but that bookend structure worked. It was like a side quest on their way to the mandalorians. You could have cut it out entirely-but then you would have missed out on the fun.
And also, the foundling episode used the bookend structure well, because it told parallel stories of different foundlings being rescued-Din and ragnar. But just to go back to that pershing episode, I think it showed the best and worst of the season. I liked the story itself, and I was interested in Pershing's story. And the mandalorian is trying to widen its scope from being a cowboy show to showing the wider universe.
But I still think that that episode should have tied in more directly with the finale.
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What did you think about the season?
Please stop trying to make Matt Singer happen. He provides no insight, and his opinions are bad.
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I heard that Gina Carano's sudden firing presented a huge challenge to Jon to rewrite the season!
Ryan begins with the false premise that a critique of the season rests in viewers not being fully invested in SW (Clone Wars, Rebels, Timothy Zahn novels, etc.) lore. As someone who has seen every episode of CW and Rebels several times over, has read the Zahn novels, and for whom the story line was neither obscure nor esoteric, I STILL found the season to be a genuine letdown. It was poorly constructed and written, particularly from a character standpoint. And, when compared to both The Bad Batch and Andor, these deficiencies are even more pronounced.
poorly constructed, underwhelming, confusing focus throughout, lost mass appeal and became lame fan service
I do appreciate that they did not end on a cliffhanger, and it felt like it could be a series finale. Kind of a mini reset.
Yea such a nice change where they don’t need to survive in a cliffhanger, it’s a nice fresh breath of fresh air- can’t remember where a tv show needed a cliffhanger to be relevant…
More like a character reset
I like how they kinda end the story arc, while setting up future story arcs. Mythosaur will get paid off later, Bo will continue to rebuild the Mandos, whilst Din,Din will go about their adventures!
Definitely could have a spin off for Bo and the Mandalorians.
I loved how much Universe building went on in this season and the narrative of Mandalorians being stronger together.
Me also! But was done cuz there combination of all shows.......
Well there hasn’t been any announcement of season 4 even though sw celebration just happened…and in season 1 there was already a season 2 confirmed….I think that the show may in fact be over. They know the majority of fans don’t care to watch if din djarin is not the frontman of the show, at least I am not willing to give my money for that. I live bo katan but like it’s not her show, and it never will be. Disney have shot themselves in the foot once again !
As a person that doesn't know all of the lore, I've enjoyed the series so far!
Me too!
Same
Same
See, Ryan? Casual fans can manage it all just fine! :)
They just complain over everything. Thats what youtubers do, its gets them more clicks I guess. I mean its not Shakespeare, it was entertaining and it moved the story foward, I loved every minute of it I dont get the constant crying and whining over every episode.
I saw it as the Mandalorian being a lone wolf in a tribe of 2 sending ripples through the SW universe. His actions (no matter how small) united the tribes of mandalore by reaffirming bo’s belief in herself and the ways of mandolore. He is the connextion even in the shadows serving the tribe.
Hey the show is The Mandalorian and it makes sense if you think about Din playing a bigger role by helping uniting all Mandalorians.
Ok, so many good points here and I never comment but gotta clarify something Matt Singer said (that he may not have realized). There is a huge relational difference between Mando being Grogu’s “Foster Dad” and him making the commitment to be Grogu’s actual adoptive parent. Their growing attachment to one another and the character arc it has created is at the heart of the show and the emotional impact of that legal adoption moment in the last episode this season was powerful.
Yeah but it doesnt change anything. Actions speak louder than words and Din has been acting like his Dad since Season 1. They don't love each other anymore or any less.
@@kbuttstadt ask a foster kid if it changes anything if the family they live with adopts them. It makes a difference. It does.
@@MonaDangerW The announcement of becoming an adoptive parent vs foster would've left a bigger impact if we could see the emotional response either Din or Grogu would have to that announcement. (Like in S2 finale)
But Din didn't take his helmet off and Grogu is a puppet who can't speak and has like 3 facial expressions, so it felt pretty muted.
I agree, it definitely got me in the feels when it happened but that's just me 🤷♂️
It does matter and that moment is a huge deal. But the whole season's narrative got thrown to the bin pretty much. I really enjoyed the adoption and thr cartoony ending, but a soft reset of the series after so much new lore development? Lame.
As someone who was officially adopted by my step father at the age of 16 (He had been my only father figure since the age of 5) I can say first hand how much it meant to me. It was not some trivial assumed thing, it was life affirming. So, for me, it seemed like a major thing in the show.
That's neat that you had that experience. But for me, it really felt like the characters had already gotten there emotionally a long time ago, and the "adoption" was just making it official.
My Father's Step-father adopted him as well. He was the only Grand-pa I knew.
Step-Dads are very special people. ❤❤❤
Thank you. That's the magic of Star Wars and art in general. I am glad resonated with you.
this is why i can't hate on shows too much these days. what doesn't resonate with me might resonate with someone else. that being said, i think this season was awesome and i love it when shows start to delve into lore building.
bet your stepfather wasn't younger than you, though
RE: what did the characters want? I feel like what was being communicated was how Din Djarin and Bo Kattan were realizing/understanding/embracing that they are and could be a part of something larger than themselves as the season progressed. They can help save their people as a whole and retake their homeworld.
That's the problem, both characters existence and identity is based something bigger than them (the creed for Din and the leadership of mandalorians for Bo) their affiliative from the get go. For the characters to progress they need pragmatism and heed their own interest rather than the collective. They must be capable enough to be followed instead of being obligated to lead.
They are more concerned with forcing the preview of a future show into this show. Bo Katan’s story is retaking mandalore… no din’s. so the sacrificed great story arcs with grogu and mando, to give bo her pre series start … and it was crap.
@@Jealod24 i liked it
Did no one pay attention to the fact that season 3 being about taking back Mandalore was set up in season 2? Also, the great thing about calling it The Mandalorian, is that they can set up other character as the main character of the season and/or arc, so this season WAS still telling the story of The Mandalorian, just The Mandalorian was Bo and not Din. They were also showing the story of Din’s and Grogu’s growing bond, and officially becoming family, and Grogu’s journey to leaving the Jedi and becoming a Mandalorian.
I was confused that they did a big set up by having the Children of The Watch becoming the defenders of Navarro and putting down roots. Navarro was their new home! Then, just a few episodes later, they've off to set down roots on Mandalore. Also the whole Pershing episode could have been cut from the season and have no effect on the outcome.
I am wondering if that was how they were originally gonna go with it and then the Rangers show was gonna deal more with the big picture stuff.
Having more land benefits the mandalorian at this stage.
The land at Navarro can afford them places to grow their own food and trade for resources that Mandalore couldn't because it's still desecrated by the imperial. Mandalore can be a place of power and politics, while Navarro is the place that feeds them.
Also if their attempt at reclaiming Mandalore goes bad, there is Navarro to fall back on.
The Armorer talks to Bo Katan about the intention to return to Mandalore at the end of the Navarro Episode...
It was the Armorer who pushed to unite the clans and go to Mandalore, maybe to get everyone exterminated. She was not OK with Mando taking off the helmet, but was very OK to have Bo-Katan to remove hers after he was vindicated by the living waters and seeing the Minotaur. She is plotting something, and it is not good.
Like din said, the mandalorians needed a safe place for their kids to grow up and play. It's why the final shot was of grogu playing at the cabin. taking back mandalore had to happen sooner rather than later, as strategically, moff Gideon's plan was to always cause the extinction of the mandalorians, to plunder the beskar and eliminate the threat of the mandalorian people siding against the empire. Also, like paz said, because we are mandalorians.
The Pershing/Kaine/Gideon/shadow council storyline has to build up the looming empire threat and create intrigue and world build the overall narrative because of the interconnected nature of the star wars universe. The mandalorian is setting up story beats for future mandalorian seasons and possibly 2 or 3 different shows like ahsoka and thrawn movie projects.
Remember, Disney is giving you star wars game of thrones without saying that they are giving you a huge game of thrones story.
They should've given Bo-katan her own spin-off after Mando Season 2. Sackhoff is amazing, she could've easily carried her own show.
I lot of this seasons problems could have been resolved by making a "Book of Bo Katan" to add more context to the mandalorian lore. even if they had to do some clone wars flashbacks during it.
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@@im36degrees 'Book of Bo-Katan' that's genius.
Agreed👍
I disagree, she came off flat to me. I didn't feel emotionally connected to anything she said.
I loved this season. Giving Bo-Katan this redemption arc was so satisfying. Kinda wish Sabine was a part of retaking Mandalore, but whatever, they wanted to keep the plot relatively straightforward and I'm on board with that. We are left to fill in a lot of gaps in character development, which was a let down, but overall, this season was a solid 7.5/10.
I also believe the title of the first episode "The Apostate" referred to both Din Djarin AND Bo-Katan.
Waching all those "SpieS" theorists fall flat on their face was very enjoyable. Everyone who thought The Armorer was a spy/traitor owes her an apology.
Word! 👍
You loved the season but gave it a pretty average score.
@@KieranHunter There has to be a separation between how I personally felt, and how well put togethger the season was if I'm going to give it a score.
So I take it you loved JJ Abrams mystery boxes too? There were numerous and unnecessary red herrings in episode 7. Good writing doesn't need that many deceptions.
@@nightcrawler5696 Ah, well, I agree, how objective of you, though I didn't really like the season myself, I see your reasoning. I give the season a 6/10 but to me that score also reflects my enjoyment level too, though I still enjoyed, I don't think I could say I loved it. But thanks for explaining that for me!
I’m a huge fan of The Clone Wars and Rebels, and extremely happy & satisfied to see Bo Katan, the reemergence of Mandalore as part of this world. It doesn’t bother me that this season focused on the bigger story. I fully expect we’ll have way more of the Din clan next season. I don’t get what the fuss is about. Can’t we be patient and let the story play out?
I was happy just like you are to see Bo Katan and seeing where the story is going now. Loved this episode a lot
The fuss comes from the casual viewer, the ones that didn't watch the CW and Rebels and were lost or didn't care. They just wanted a standalone series. They thought they had that. It got confusing a bit in season 2 but totally threw them in season 3. Sorry, for them not. Disney+ has made it easy to watch essential episodes and get caught up.
I agree with you!
I'm a new Star Wars fan because of The Mandalorian show. Prior to I didn't really care about Star Wars.
I understood everything, what I did not understand I asked my husband and brothers and I watch shows like this. Completely caught up and understood everything.
Now I am the hugest Mandalorian fan as a whole and now a fan of Star Wars. This was the gateway for me into the rest of the universe. As well as our 10 month old Mandalorian 😂!!!
It wasn't that complicated of a story. If the fans don't want to do any research let them be lost, the answers are out there and a great ride to follow.
This. Great show. Great season.
@@jennym2276 I suspect if the casual viewer had questions, they would go back and watch the clone wars and rebels. I don’t think that anybody should expect all the new viewers to understand everything. I come back and watch reviews like this, so I can pick up what I missed or what I didnt understand. They wanna know they’ll find a way if they don’t well too bad I guess
The name of the show is The Mandalorian so concentrating on the Mando culture is actually helpful. It is about more than just the two main characters. I have watched everything so it makes sense to me.
The name of Andor was Andor and the side stories of Deedra Meera and Mon Mothma, which had little to do with Andor’s story directly, got nothing but praise by and large. I think Matt’s complaints make no sense. There are plenty of shows with side stories that don’t immediately intersect with the namesake of the show.
@@stuartbagley2586 yeah I guess but if you have one Mando why not all of them? If you watched all of the shows it would make sense. I’m sorry you can’t be bothered to watch cartoons. Boo hoo
@@darrencole97 Oh I’ve watched everything, even Resistance. My point is people are selectively outraged about Mando focusing on other characters when plenty of other shows do the same thing and are praised for it.
The Mandalorian is the story of Din and Grogu. This season was "Din and Grogu and their part in the retaking of Mandalore."
Maybe "The Mandalorian" refers to the leader of Mandalore. Since Din Djarin doesn't want to lead this season didn't have to be about him.
Why do you think you get to define what the story is about?
@@RUNTHROUGHDATAPE Why not? Everyone is free to have their own view.
Also, my first sentence was echoing what one of the speakers said in this video.
@@RUNTHROUGHDATAPE Why do you get to question him?
@@RUNTHROUGHDATAPE I think the Gregory is responding to the critical commentary/people saying the story was not about Din. His point, is that it was about Din helping others.
For someone who watches the show w/no expectations and not thinking I know what happens next, this season kicked ass. It all tied together and made sense. Period. Now, if others don't like that, that's their prerogative; however, others not liking it doesn't make it bad. Great Story Great Arc, Great Redemption for several characters. Whether they tie in to future endeavors or not, ties a bow on Mando & Grogus story.
In TOTAL agreement with your statement! Am so happy with this type of Star Wars.
Absolutely.
100%. I think it's peak Star Wars.
THANK YOU! 🙏🏼
Same, I love Star Wars but haven't been able to focus on it too much but I watched this season and very much enjoyed it.
This is a story about Bo katan’s redemption through helping Din in his redemption. It began when she saw the mythical beast in the living water, through wearing the helmet and living the way when she was with the people of the watch for herself, and redeemed her people through bringing back the privateer with her helmet off. If you view it as a triumph of her. It’s pretty good.
My takeaway from the end of the show was that it was a broadening of the villain base for Mando and Grogu. For the first two seasons, it was Moff Gideon running everything. Even with this season, we find out that Gideon was still running the opposition against them. It was getting into a Skywalker versus Palpatine vibe from the movies. By introducing the Shadow Council, the story has been opened up to more villains with different motivations for messing with our favorite two. The worst thing the showrunners could possibly do at this point is bring Gideon back.
What if this season was the redemption of Mandalore just as Din was redeemed? This was redemption for Bo and her struggles since the Clone Wars. It has taken decades since the Clone Wars, for Mandalore to "heal."
Yes yes yes yes yes
Bo doesn't deserve redemption lol she only got it because she is a woman and it's disney. She was a terrorist against her own ppl, lost mandalore twice, lost the darksaber, has always been a garbage leader, had to beg the republic to retake mandalore using clone troopers and then later insults Boba for being a clone even though he is more mandalorian than she is. She deserved to be killed off lol
Exactly. The Mandalorian refer to the name of the people, not just the one character.
I mean I understand the end result of the redemption of Mandalore, but it just doesn't feel earned with how this season's story has been told. Everything felt too brushed over and easy if that makes sense.
I mean if you break it down:
- The two religiously opposed factions come together with literally no hiccups, discussion or complaints. We get one scene Ax and Paz getting mad at a board game, which while cool showing the cultural differences, is literally the only relevant scene and they become happily united in the finale. There was no serious leadership or reconciliation of their differences between the factions.
- They just arrived on Mandalore and stumbled into the end villains lair within a couple hours...No planning, no scouting, no sense of tension/foreshadowing aside from Paz's last stand. They literally walked in, ran away, the ship sent reinforcements and they won. I thought the blocked communications could've been utilized more effectively to build tension of no communication with the capital ship as the scouting party was stranded and being picked off, but nah it was solved within 10 mins of running into their first enemies.
- They immediately move into the decrepit ruins of the city at the end of the finale, which seemingly doesn't have any infrastructure or ways to support life. Their ship blew up, so not living in that, and the growing "farms" are a bit away. There was no sense of rebuilding, or moving in, they just lit the fire and ta-da the entire planet of Mandalore is free now.
I really liked this season. Probably as much as the prior two. My 9yo son and I watch it together, and watching it with him allows me to see it through his eyes. The silly things like the IG11 mech suit and the "yes" button really cracked him up. Watching Grogu be able to contribute to the fights really connected with him. The idea of beskar-clad, force-powered super soldiers is a scary one and potentially an idea that can be explored in later seasons or other shows. Watching the growth and evolution of the Mandalorian people is entertaining and good lore building. And I really appreciated the noir investigation episode. High marks all around.
I agree. Star Wars was always meant to be enjoyed by kids as well as adults.
My favorite series, maybe of all Star Wars productions ever, is Andor, but I recognize that it might be too adult orientated to carry the Star Wars franchise.
I’m happy for you that you’ve been able to enjoy the series with your son. I hope we have much more Star Wars to come that will continue to provide that kind of connection.
I love it! This whole series is about MANDOLARIANS. Doesn’t matter if it’s Din, Grogu, or the whole clan. It should be talking about various clans of Mandolarians. Star Wars is just the back drop of this Mandolarians story. It makes a lot of sense to focus on Bo Katan but there isn’t enough time to cover that many issues with the Mandos.
I am loving it all. The story of a Mandalorian has grown into the story of all that is Mandalorian. Rebuilding a Nation while fighting Outer threats and finding out what is actually important to your culture. Possibly being from a small country helps to feel the connection. I am from Finland. We really should not exist. But we have fought. Very hard. Very often.
They explained the disconnect between the factions in S2 when Mando initially met Bo. The problem is people have short term memories and need to be spoon fed every little bit of information.
it's also that people love to complain
I feel that much of the criticism is reliant on what would casual fans would think of it without extended lore and I feel the clues are there. It ain't perfect but it doesn't need spoon feeding
I agree. I consider myself a casual fan and have no problem following the story. Just take everything that is shown at face value and ponder possible outcomes.
exactly the last few eps of season 2 showed Bo working with different groups of mandos. I think the info was there, but a few more scenes would have helped. We saw how Bo respected the armorer but it would have been good to see the other groups coming to her as well. We didn't really learn much about their culture this season. It would have been great to see why the Great Forge was so important to the Mandolorian. I don't think Din is "the Mandolorian" so I do need him in every scene but I do think we need some Mandolorian stuff in every episode.
@@benjaminfletcher6632 I don’t remember the exact episode, I think it was “The Mines of Mandalore” but iirc either Bo or The Armorer went into an entire rant about old Mandalore, it’s history, the great forge and etc. 👍🏾
The Darksaber was sacrificed for Mandalore … this is, literally, The Way.
As a casual SW fan, I really enjoyed this season and the past two. I'd love to watch more seasons of The Mandalorian. I didn't find that not knowing something from the books or animated shows hindered my enjoyment of the season. Nor did I need to be told what the characters wanted for their actions pointed to this.
I liked the world building. It was a teaching tool being used to teach Grogu about kinship, Mandalorians (different factions), helping others, loyalty, belief in yourself and others, community, and dangers that exist outside their community. When Bo Katan removed her helmet when the armorer told her to, I didn't expect any of the night watch to do the same for the armorer made it clear that Bo Katan was different and able to do both. For me it was a message about diversity and acceptance, and tolerance of others' differences and beliefs which are not harmful to others like wearing a helmet all the time is not destructive; just different. Of two very opposing factions in a society being able to find it in themselves to allow others to be different without prejudice. It was the first step to unity. Having the shared purpose to retake their home planet and sharing sorrows and joy helped bind them together even further.
I connected to Bo Katan when she was despondent at the beginning of the season. She felt depressed, lost and lacked confidence in herself which is perfectly normal after her loss. She felt forsaken by those she had trusted. Yes it seemed like she didn't really want anything but that is the point of being in the mental state she found herself. She needed to find purpose and hope again. By aligning herself with Mando, she learnt what it was to believe again in something and have someone else to believe in you. From the beginning Mando didn't want to rule or have any administrative duties. It was clear to me that all he wanted to do was help reunite his people and go with Grogu to teach him all he can about being a Mandalorian of the Watch.
Yes the dark saber being destroyed was a new beginning for the Mandalorian. That particular belief, of anyone who won the dark saber in battle could lead them, was totally destructive. Moff Gideon was not of their race and had no care for them or their beliefs but was just using them and pitting them against each other. I believe that this was to show that how some beliefs need to be re-evaluated and let go especially those that are harmful to others.
I really hope that the next season follows up on Pershing. I really feel for that poor guy.
I have so many things to say as of the 35:00 mark or so but I’ll be civil… the Mandalorian is simply exercising his mantras honour trust duty. He came across Mandalorians lost of the way, and united them with a home rather than jedi mcguffin. He can go on his adventures and Mandalore can Rebuild with some Jack black technology! Enjoy it for what it is a great piece of art!
THANK YOU! I'm so over all the over analyzation. Just F off already and enjoy that damn show!
This!! It's like Matt didn't watch h the same show I did lol...."what does the Mandalorian think? Does he want to unite Mandalore?" He's the one that freaking suggested it..."maybe it's time for us to come out of the shadows"....I think Favreau's foreshadowing was lost on some people lol.
@@warofwrath Star Wars was originally a simple story. Every fans complicated things.
This is the way.
It's like people are actively trying to hate this show and try to ruin it for the rest of us.
Even though Mando was not always the focus, this was his journey and he was the essential aspect of not only his redemption but his growth as a man of honor and truth. Along the way he was instrumental in uniting a nation and defeating a daunting galactic enemy. In the end his mission of redemption was not only accomplished, it was exceeded. Sometimes in our lives we are not the main character, but ultimately we reach our goals.
Exactly
Outstanding and I completely agree 😂
What a shit excuse
This comment is amazing but i wish it reflected the show
I wore chainmail to my baptism and drown.
Wow, the nine first minutes of the video totally explained how I felt for the season!!!
I enjoyed the season. I feel like the outcome was good because it kind of resets everything where Din and Grogu can just go be bounty hunters again.
A happy ending covers a lot of sins for me, apparently. I was so happy to see the Dins get their little slice of paradise (which I genuinely think is what they both have wanted since visiting Sorgan) that I can say that I am satisfied. I wish episodes 1-6 had been a little better, but … I just love that ending!
I actually loved it. The last season was "fun" - and I believe that is the best descriptor. It was relaxing, it was not stressful, it was insightful. It. Was. Fun.
I've found someone, I actually really enjoyed the 3rd season
@@yellowtv01 Likewise
Although maybe not the way it was initially intended because of many mishaps, politics and intrigue behind the scenes with Pedro and Kathleen Kennedy...causing delays, I think Din kept a promise that he would help Bo Katan get back Mandalore. He would help her with the Mandalorians, and Din ACCOMPLISHED that.
Din also had personal growth, Grogu gained confidence, and showed he started remembering a lot of his training at the temple.
I also feel that it accomplished several things resolving a few issues establishing partnerships, and redeemed Bo Katan's arc.
Also, establishing the two of them as family and partners, they need to have some home-base because they lost the Razorcrest, which was their home, so this compensates.
Plus there was growth with the Armorer, during the baptismal of Ragnar, it was not recited that he need keep the helmet on at all times.
We found out what Bo wanted in the first episode - to take back Mandalore - it was just that she felt she couldn't. But at the end of that episode she see's the Mythosaur and Din doesn't. This is the point where the narrative focus shifts to her, at the end of the very first episode, and what she wants now hasn't changed, it's just that her arc is finding a way unify all Mandalorians, not just her sect, like the great Mandalore did before her.
But if you just want to complain about the show, you can ignore that. Not to mention that her story started last season.
That was in Episode two and the fact that you didnt even remember this tells us all we need to know about your attention span over this season...
@@Lodrik18 Oh no, I mixed up an event from episode 1 with an event from episode 2 im my point about how something happened early on in the season. This completely invalidates my entire arguement! I must hide my face im shame! How could I have been so negligent in my research, so inattentive to my notes. I'm gonna lose my research grant! Nobody will ever take me seriously again. And they shouldn't!
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Would you ever cop on to yourself, ye sad sap.
@@Pixelkip There is no problem, that's my point. I haven't seen Rebels yet but I still had no problems
@@stephenramsey5585 my bad ! I re read your comment and I totally had a brain fart xD misinterpreted what u said completely
Matt: small point, not a bare hand to crush the darksabre, he had the augmented armor he designed on, so super strong grip
Din commented on the fact that the hilt was made with beskar of a purity he'd never seen before. I for sure didn't expect some gyros and a beskar alloy mitten to break it. It is what it is I guess but still, very surprising 😁
Should have crushed bo hand completely like a hydraulic press.
@@80sShred Yeah I didn't get that. The force necessary to crush that level of beskar purity would have obliterated Bo's hand.
@@zechrojas2202 Yeah, it would look like she got it caught in a mincer.
@80sShred exactly. Either nothing would have happened or it would have been the equivalent to getting her hand stuck in a vice. Not that I expect star wars to be realistic.
Maybe, the title Mandalorian is not just the story of Din, but rather of the perspective of any Mandalorian. Which, the spotlighted protagonist at the time is the titular Mandalorian. Plus, they did some world building for Dave Faloni's movie and Ahosaka's show.
I'm convinced that "The Mandalorian" in the title is Grogu, not Din. The whole show so far has been Grogu's path to becoming a Mandalorian.
This has been brought up on this channel dozens of times since season 2 and the introduction of other Mandalorians. The fact that the writer guy has no grasp of it is baffling.
I mean even Gideon calls Din the Mandalorian in this episode. It was written from his perspective from day one. He IS the Mandalorian.
I just thought it was hilarious how in a previous episode, they ran out of jet fuel, but in this one they all had unlimited supplies! 😂😂
You gotta assume the rebel mandalorians that stayed behind have a way to refill fuel, maybe the same place that had growing plants? 1 refuel makes sense
How many times do you fill your car back up with gas every time you drive it? They were in a surprise attack from the flying creature... So they probably weren't flying with a full tank. Now when you go on a road trip, you make sure you have plenty of fuel. They were prepared on Mandalore
Why assume the whole flight to save the kid was shown in real time? Did you want to watch 1/2 hr of them just flying? You don't know how far any of those flights actually were.
@@gogofastful You are correct. 😅
4:27 had the perfect ad placement. “What do you want?” - THE POWER OF NURTURING PLANTS
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I enjoyed the season. But I don’t get upset because stories don’t go the way I want.
Exactly
I love everything Star Wars…period. I’m thankful for so many shows all at once. It’s truly awesome..I’m not even a little kid and it’s still exciting stuff.
I could like this comment a million times! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
You’re so cool
100% agree.
The dark saber can be easily broken, but the mandalorians cannot. That was the point of that scene.
I 100% agree that we almost don’t need another season with so many loose ends tied up. There’s no major cliff hanger to resolve like the last couple seasons. It had such a happy ending that it felt like solid closure to move on. As a massive fan I can’t believe I’m saying this because I want to see more. It just didn’t leave me on the edge of my seat.
The Notebook, "What do you want?!" killed me. Hahaha!
My man Matt is stressing out. It was a great season. Great stories. There is a season 4 coming chill out. Lol. Great review. I stand on both side it was great for non fanatic fans to learn n be welcomed into a wider universe. New stories n characters building. I like Pete’s perspective. This is a great Chanel
If Matt took the time to watch Screen Crush, he would have no problem following what was going on🤔
He is awful
He offers no real analysis, just feelings
@@nexusblackhe's so annoying. I was first irritated by him during a house of the dragon discussion and he was just like this.
All he ever says "I don't understand" so why does he think anyone should be listening to his opinion?
That sounds like more a him issue than a show issue.
@@TiggerBouncey Nick Wright's brother
I've enjoyed these discussion videos all season, however I always think that me and Matt watched completely different seasons 😅 I agree the story telling was a little all over the place, and it's not what I was expecting, but I absolutely loved the season! And I think I will like it even more with a rewatch, I agree from an earlier point you made that it's a little hard to follow with weekly releases. But I liked how they closed off mandos redemption straight away, like end game where they chop if thanos' head straight away, which I thought would be most of the film, and then the story changed from there. After Mando/Bo realised it wasn't poisonous, the next part of the story kinda followed as it would, it was logical. I also didn't care about Pershing at all until that ep and didn't realise I wanted to care about him, but I'm glad I now do. Also Jack Black
Grogu is a Jedi Padawan, A Mandalorian Apprentice and a Knight of Plazir.
What a fantastic summary by the dude with white hair. As someone who has watched all the animated shows and knew the lore, this season was quite nice
As someone who has watched all the animated shows and knew the lore, this season was a letdown of the potential of all those characters, plotlines, and conflicts.
The season was great. Most out of the seat clapping at mandalorians doing some mandalorian schtuff so far. I took the show title 'the mandalorian' to mean Din, Grogu, Bo, the mandalorian people, the tribal identities of what that word means, their sense of home and retaking their planet. I think it gave us all of that and more. By the time we got there, Din's vow to Bo felt like a great knight of one kingdom pledging himself to the new queen for the good of the people. Personally, I think they're hitting their storytelling stride and I'm all in for it.
totally agree!!
Interesting opinions. Personally I loved this season. I thought it really expanded the world. And of course of Dinn’s show, but “The Mandalorian” could refer to anyone. To me The Mandalorian in this season was Bo-Katan. They took some risks and I commend them for that.
I didn't think IG came back, that because they replaced his memory unit its only a different IG-11 unit acting as sheriff. His S1 sacrifice holds up.
I'm not really sure why they keep talking about not knowing what Bo Katan wanted. She's been incredibly condistent on that front. She's been doing almost the same thing since she was introduced back in Clone Wars. First she was trying to take the planet back from Satine, then from Maul, then from the Empire, and then from the Imperial Remnant.
it might seem strange, but i liked this narrative. Somehow it´s an evolution on story telling. I am very glad thet did not made the season about "redemption". They advanced the Mandalorians to Galaxy level, and layed the ground into bring them to the Galaxy.
I think we will see more of the Mandalorians on next Star Wars shows.
You call this evolution of storytelling? Disregarding all their so called creeds just for one character, ignoring their own lore then making shit up as they go along, you really have poor taste.
its evolving, but backwards...
When I saw the title of this video I just knew it was Matt Singer and he’d be on it. That guy could find flaws in a beautiful Bouquet of Roses.
It's so comforting to hearpete bring some wise and calm perspective, against matt's rambling and hate. Matt has some point about focus of the characters, but, like many fans nowdays, the details and the self-imposed unfulfilled expectations don't allow him (them) to enjoy a good story.
WOW! That title is *BRUTAL!* LUL I thought it was a great season. A bit slow at times, but served all my childhood dreams. The happy ending was a bit weird. I'm used to some cliffhangers and drama in a finale.
It's called rage farming and it's designed to get more clicks by getting people riled up over nothing. Very unfortunate that ScreenCrush has decided to jump onto this particular bandwagon.
I think we did all this in this season, to get to the shared universe that ends in Dave Filoni’s movie. This season felt like a detour to develope the bigger Star Wars shared universe, and ends with them getting back to the original premise of the show
Agreed I think once the full story has been told it will probably make more sense
The finale was great. watching Mando and Grogu team up was awesome, They kicked butt. This episode gave Mando confidance in Grogu's abilities and recognised he is getting more powerful. Few times in this season Bokatan asked Din Jarin did you teach him that? and both times he said "he didnt learn that from me". He wanted to be his legal gardian because he wanted to train Grogu himself to better his commbat skills as a Mandalorian.
I can ant get enough of these episodes you drop. Good work!
I loved it . Will watch it all over again . 🎉
I absolutely love this channel, as a beginning VFX artist I am all about the visuals, but sometimes get lost in the story. The way you layout and edit your videos is perfect for me to understand the underlining story. Question; can you make a video on how ScreenCrush started and how you are able to breakdown so well these episodes and movies along with your staff. Not to mention the incredible editing showing all the out take videos from other episodes and movies. ...even your ads are really good and funny.
I would soooooooo LOVE that too!! Please @screencrush !!
I loved this season. This season was all about Din doing what he does best, fixing problems. He fixed the Mandalore problem for Bo and all Mandalorians. I believe there was a lot of progress and growth for the entire series. There was growth with the Mandalorians not needing the dark Saber or their helmets. There was growth with Din and Grogu as they now work together and Grogu is Din's adopted son. The whole show is progressing the mando-vese narrative of the Empire is out there and needs to be dealt with.
Instead of this being one stand-alone show, it is a stand-alone season. I loved the closure of the ending scene. That arc is finished, and we have no idea what next season will bring. Maybe season 4 will be more stand-alone shows of Din and Grogu as the other shows sets up their foundation, or maybe it is time to battle the Empire. Whatever they have planned, it will start on a clean slate, and I am looking forward to it.
There was definitely a belief going into the season that it would be about Din Djarin’s redemptive arc but I think the reason that they seemed to stray away from that was, what was he redeeming himself for? Taking off his helmet when Bo’s faction always does that? What does it mean to be a Mandalorian? Each faction was experiencing their own cognitive dissonance. Are the old ways outdated? Are we better united? Does the Dark saber still matter? Helmet or no helmet? etc. The first step in redefining what it means to be a Mandalorian was to unite. I’m guessing now that they’ve reclaimed Mandalore and united, now they can go about creating a new (and hopefully an improved) era of Mandalorians.
I hope Matt is playing a character because if that's his real personality, he must be very fun to talk to😂
Dude is so negative. Automatic pass.
Big agree
Matt is making this hard to watch. there is a condescending pillar he's standing on.
@@rotaryrich agreed. Criticizing just because he is a critic
The final was pretty superb in my opinion.
Very classic Star Wars feel.
I agree about your idea that they wrote the season from the ending backwards. They wanted to get to a place where djarin and grogs can essentially take part in the stories they originally were going to do the the Rangers of the New Republic show next season.
@11:38 "Why?" Well, if you wanted them to do amazing side-quests, you can pretty much envision this entire season as one of them---just a much longer quest! They might not be staying around to build up the society on Mandalore, but they were instrumental in allowing it to happen, which is a pretty darn cool side quest if you ask me
I liked it. It wasn't as spectacular as the end of season 2, but I don't know how it could be. I'm excited to see what comes next.
I adored this season. Maybe I’m in the minority idk but it was a ton of fun for me. ANNNNNNND this seasons finale is my favorite of the series ❤
If y’all didn’t dig it that’s okay.
I totally understand bo’s motives and arcs & dins, etc. I adored them all.
This is the way 🫡
EXACTLY!
All thd men werre useless and the women were in charge, so of course you enjoyed it.
I'm into the bo♡din vibe. I really enjoyed this season.
You are not. Most people loved it. Hate is just louder.
I always felt Favreau's & Filoni's eventual goal with this TV show was to show what happened to Mandalore and its people. They used Din and the first two seasons of the show to help casual Star Wars fans get introduced to the world that Filoni built in Clone Wars and Rebels. Din was the clueless hero that represented these casual fans. Now that we've seen the retaking of Mandalore completed, the show's purpose would be to use Din's cowboy character to help others like he helped Bo Katan. The style would be similar to Season 1 and 2, but now Din's actions is more streamlined to an overall purpose that effects not just his future but that of others
i think the whole series was good even know din wasn't the main focus he was the essential part on bringing the different tribes together he seems to have been the missing piece of the puzzle if he hadn't had gone to bo and sent grogu to her for help she would not have met his tribe and connected with them which changed her views on them din was esential to the whole plot but what would have been nice is to see grogu using more of the force it would be interesting to see more of his story as the little green oap is still a mystery
I think this season established why the Mandalorian’s will have to be instrumental in defeating Thrawn. His whole tactic is to learn an enemy through their art and culture and use it against them. The Mandalorians just entirely redefined themselves and found self determination and using that newly defined way, defeated Gideon. In fact the old ways they stick to might be what Thrawn uses to break them.
Yes, maybe so. I love that they incorporate the characters from throughout the Universe we're going to be able to see more of it about those characters in future viewings. I am anxious to see Thrawn and hope to see Mandalorians in that as well
During the Mandalorian battle in the air sequence in final EP, I was at the edge of my seat worrying that someone might drop down from the sky because their jetpack runs out of fuel. It's the new rule they introduced in early EP and it sticks in my head🤣
They were chasing tht bird for a long time probably
OMG you're all a bunch of nerds!! I love every minute of it. thank you for your incise and thoughtful diatribes. Thank you for your work! This is the way.
“None of my theories and predictions came through. Was it a letdown?”
I enjoyed the season and look forward to a possible season 4. I am in for the long game and look to see how all the shows tie in together.
That tree in front of the Dins' house has to be a device to show the passage of time next season.
that "day took er jobs" cut was flawless
Love your reviews because you put the history in the contest of the whole show, which I can’t do by myself, but in episodes like this one your guests overthink it a lot instead of simply enjoy what it is.
Asking about character motivations isn't overthinking it, it's something they teach screenwriters in the most basic of screenwriting classes because it's something that makes characters understandable & relateable.
This Mandalorian season 3 was awesome!
I loved this latest season, felt like a massive pay off for watching clone wars! I don’t think there’s anything wrong with catering more to a specific audience
I haven't watched anything other than Live Action and I still enjoyed it. Definitely the weakest season of the 3 but still consistently good. They explained Mandalore, Mandalorians, showed new worlds. I love it personally,
Clone Wars was a failure, so how is it logical to assume this is a success?
Ironically the specific audience/“fans” is tearing the show apart for not doing what they want… it is so sad to see these so called die hard fans to not just criticize but cancel the show that is meant to be the source of their material. The problem is, these theorist and hard core lore fans are making their own and pushes theirs to be a better one which is a very narcissistic trait to me. It’s not bad to criticize but to destroy and advertize the show that it fails or something is very dilusional.
Worse then the 3rd trilogy.... by far worst content jon and Dave have ever put out.....
@@shorey40 did you watch the ends of the last two seasons of clone wars? imho, that's the peak of star wars since esb
Ryan is MAD! Absolutely love this, great review.
To me, this season felt like an MMO. He was moving through different boards, and established new supply depots to get new upgraded supplies. And the hallway fight where he starts off unarmed. And upgrades weapon with each shield opening.
And jack black episode is a cumbersome side quest.
Two things happened that chopped up both Book of Boba Fett and Season 3 of the Mandalorian
1. Kathleen Kennedy Forced Favreu to put Grogu in Boba and give him back to Din
2. Gina Carono was fired and Rangers of the New Republic canceled
All the Cane, Pershing, and Carson Teva that went nowhere was a cliff-notes Rangers of the New Republic - and the reason Din’s quest to redeem himself was so quick. They had to fit the whole basic plot of another show into this season.
I enjoyed it. Was a lot more chill. Needed it after the gut punch from Bad Batch. Could end the show on that finale with no loose ends. It's nice to have something chilled out.
Got some time before Ahsoka to catch up on the comics and High Republic.
better ending: the "old ways don't work" convo you all discussed, PLUS Bo-Katan gifting the dark saber kyber crystal to Grogu ("this is a relic of your people and ours; as a child of both Jedi and Mandalore, it's fate is tied to yours")
Concept art in the episode showed the tie pilots with WHITE armor leading to believe they're also HIS clones which more than likely escaped after they brought the down the Mando ship.
This was really a great discussion with 3 different opinions, more of those in the future please. It also explains why I liked the season 3 more than the average Mandalorian watcher. I am a bigger SW nerd than I thought.
I loved it. The whole season was great.
I’m glad there’s somewhere I can go to hear my feelings articulated better than I can understand, You and I, Ryan, share essentially all opinions on all the shows and films I love.
Recently someone in the comments section told me I wasn’t a real Star Wars fan because I was frankly disappointed with this season, and some other properties.. it’s to know I’m not alone in the way I think.
I was hoping when the Mandolorians came together they would just remove their helmets and we would see their faces. Almost create a new order with Bo Katan as the leader.
I actually really enjoy that one tan girl Mandalorian wrestler girl. She shows a bit of personality through facial expressions as a background character. I do wish we saw more of her and heard more from her, like we do Axe.
Love these discussions. More please
The LAYERS to that Cara Dune joke?!? Soooo good.
Every time Matt Singer starts talking, I play it @ 2x. He always sounds like a whiny baby, but even more so at that speed. 😢😂 His argument is always "I want it to be the same. It changed. I want the same old stuff!"
Agreed! (No offense personally here), but I feel there would be bitching if it stuck with the same with no world building. Fictional and fun story so far.
I haven't seen Matt like anything yet.
Exactly! This time it was even worse as he started literally screeching at the top of his lungs. The man is unwatchable.
He strikes me as someone who can’t enjoy something if it doesn’t match his expectations. He also strike me as someone who is on his phone while watching because most of his complaints are addressed but the show. Ryan running down that list was perfect example.
While I definitely think it could have been better, I thought it was fine. I think the real issue was that Andor was such a huge step up for a SW show in terms of writing, cinematography, and acting that the Mandalorian just isn't as good in comparison.
Imagine if Mof Gideon ends up being a Palpatine clone after all this time 😂
Video idea: the convert vs the riklantis mixup why the convert failed while the ricklantis mixup is considered one of the best in the series
I loved this season. I loved that it felt bigger than the other seasons. But I’m also happy for the reset at the end of the season.
I think what a lot of people miss is that The Mandalorian isn’t meant as a singular. It’s meant as a whole ‘THE Mandalorian’. That’s why it’s been about clones, Boba Fett, Bo-Katan, The Armoury, The Mando Home planet… All this stuff is heavily connected to ‘The Mandalorian’ as a people, a religion, their part in the clones, the empire ect. It’s not just about Din Djarin he is the audiences eyes into this much larger world and story about all ‘The Mandalorian’
Preach
Don’t forget Grogu! He’s a Mando, too!
Although in germany it is called "Der Mandalorianer" which is singular
If that was case then should be called The Mandalorians. Thats why people are disapointed they wanted cool and awesome grogu and mando stories and not some boring other people stories.
@@OveR1337XD just like the chapter names the title of the show could be interpreted same way. Strayed away from grogu yes. Still at the end we saw Grogu connect with the Mythosuar. Still gonna happen. Mandalore part of the mandalorian story..
The Armorer flies in killing people with her hammer and tongs (I thought she'd flip them like burgers), as 3 Praetorian Guards, who could go toe to toe with Jedi Masters, try to kill a baby (puppet) who just hops around on a lamp (or scaffolding) as they get their butts kicked. Then Darth Fring, who pops-up at the end of each season to play pretend primary villain, crushes the Darksaber and everyone's fine with it. A Star Destroyer crashes into Mandalore hitting the underground base. It seems impossible for Mando, Bo, and Grogu to survive, but it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. All the Mandalorians other than Mando, Bo, and Grogu fly out before the crash to keep from being crushed when all they needed to do was stand on the same platform as Mando, Bo, and Grogu as the Star Destroyer only creates flames which kill Darth Fring, without in any way damaging the platform or any part the ceiling above it when it should collapse and kill them. Grogu then uses the force to repel the fire, because a Star Destroyer can't break or crush anything important since in Star Wars objects no longer have mass, and things like inertia and momentum, and Newton's laws of physics no longer exist. All of this was just in the Season 3 finale; which is touted as the best show of the season.
Finally dawned on me… Kyber crystal in the broken dark saber = Grogu’s future crystal when the sword is “reforged”. And conveniently enough, Huyang has already been shown in live action.