I actually forgot to mention one other severely bad aspect: vibrations. Taking this thing to motorway speed gives you vibrations through the handlebars which are very, very, very annoying. How on earth Triumph was able to actually think "yep, that's it, that bike is perfect and ready for production" is beyond me. I have never ridden a EURO-4 or 5 machine with this many flaws.
A lot of have said the very same so the bike isn’t very good on or off road it’s not the quickest and it’s very expensive another swing and a miss at the competition
@@DaleMt09sp you are not right. It's quite good off road, actually. Miles better than previous Tiger 1200 and also better than current GS. But other parts of the new Tiger aren't so exciting.
If this bike is bad, then you've officially become jaded from riding so many bikes! This bike is literal worlds above many other ADV bikes offroad and onroad. The only bikes that really compare are the Multi and the KTM. This Tiger wheelies past a GS You failed to realize they made this engine change so it can actually compete offroad. The regular triples were extremely vague offroad. These new T-planes are meant to give you feel and feedback offroad, and it shows because basically everyone agrees it kicks ass offroad. You kinda judged it as a sport touring bike, not as an ADV. Just from your comments i can tell you wished it was more like a S1000XR or something.
"This here still is a very well-working bike" I literally put this very sentence into my review. I'm still looking for that part where I said that the Tiger was a bad bike. I have not heard a single person so far (except for biased Brits) who are saying that this bike works better than GS and KTM offroad. Little power down low plus jerky throttle response are actually absolute offroad nightmares. I'm afraid you and your "everyones" are not exactly good at judging offroad capabilities themselves...
@@Schaaf kinda hard to say Brits are biased in this case, seeing how Brits have been enamored with the GS for a long time, and Brits also have harsh criticisms on the last generation Tiger. Id love to hear you tell Ricky Carmichael himself that he's a poor judge of offroad character 😂 he literally helped design the new Tiger and put it through its paces offroad. Two-time Isle of Man champ Cameron Donald just completed the Hardi Australia 24-hour trial with the new Tiger 1200, and this race was the most technical course yet!
@@Schaaf little torque down low huh?? The Tiger 1200 makes more torque at 3000rpm than the Multi V4s and Africa Twin 1100. Also makes the same horsepower as the SAS at 3000rpm, despite being 10 lb-ft shy of the SAS at 3000rpm. Having done a decent amount of offroading on big bikes, i can say huge torque down low can get you in trouble in technical situations. The KTM is great on open firetrails, but is like wrestling a bear during technical sections. The GS definitely has most of its grunt in low rpms, but its saved by the fact that its barely putting down 45 horsepower to the ground at 3000rpm, and it carries its weight so low. Think what you want about the Tigers offroading ability, but alot of top-tier riders have said great things about its offroad capabilities. Not surprised seeing how Ricky Carmichael helped design the bike. Ill agree to disagree with you on that one
@@Schaaffirst of all, the header on this video says "Why though?" That's the first indicator of bad things coming. Then, you went on to mock Triumph for thinking this bike was actually ready for production. If that wasn't enough, you went on to say "I have never ridden a Euro 4 or 5 machine with this many flaws." You clearly think this bike is a piece of garbage. Why not just own it? As far as the "jerkiness of the throttle" being bad offroad, there was no offroad component in this test. You had it in Sport mode the entire time. Off road mode has different mapping where the throttle is not as crisp...similar to rain mode. As far as vibrations go, you're obviously someone who is very sensitive to that. New bar end weights and ten minutes clears up what little vibes there are. I don't understand the cult following of the GS. It's not all that. Shaft drive and electronics issues. Satnav is a joke and the bike is too damned wide, with those cylinder heads jutting out, ready to punish your shins. KTMs are butt ugly and their reliability is suspect. The Multistrada is overpriced, has a faulty infotainment system, horrible heat management and the cost of ownership is probably worse than BMW. Nobody likes talking about those things because they've already made up their minds. We all have opinions. Good thing there are so many options to appeal to our whims and biases.
Mam Tygrysa - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - ten motocykl to prawdziwy kocur. Pędzi jak szalony, z kuframi czy bez. Miałem problem z Quickshifterem bo nie umiałem przerzucać biegi, dopiero po przejechaniu 14 tys km zacząłem rozumieć Tigera. Jego nie można porównać do GSa czy Multi, czy KTM itp. Tiger to inny motocykl i albo się go lubi albo nienawidzi, zero półśrodków. Tiger to szybki turystyk, który pojedzie na wyprawę bez zadyszki, będzie połykał kilometry bez względu na podłoże, tylko trzeba się z nim umieć dogadać.
Riding a bike differs from person to person. I took the Triumph RP on a 1 week test ride with the missus and luggage. Never once did i feel the suspension being too soft esp after adjusting it properly. Why? Because i rode it like and adventure/tourer bike and not as a sportsbike. As for vibrations, all bikes have it, the GS, the SAS, the Multi etc. The quickshiffter on the Tiger is brilliant, once again riding it as intended and not as a sportsbike. The one on the GS is agricultural at best. The one on the SAS and Multi were better, but those are basically sports bike on stilts. I wouldnt touch a KTM with a 10 ft pole having own the previous SAS. As for the multi, you will spend a ton of $$$ on their parts and fuel as the bike is thirsty. I do however agree with your point on the slow maneuvers, its a bit jerky, which i suppose could do with a software update. Triumph made a mistake putting the t-plane engine on the GT. In the end, there is no such thing as a perfect bike, only what we make of them. As for reference, i loved the test ride so much, i sold my 1250 GS and got the RP. Dont regret it one bit. Brilliant riding videos as always. Have enjoyed them immensely.
I have a 2023 Tiger GT Explorer and the vibration is terrible. I think people just get used to it. I have a buddy with a GS and another with a Multi. When riding their bikes, it is so obvious how much vibration is transmitted to the bars. I have 2200 miles on mine, and it will be traded as soon as a good deal on a Multi can be made. The heated grips are terrible as well. I paid 27k out the door with bags so It's not like I want to hate it, but I do. There are quite a few with under 1k miles for sale near me.
my guy , i accept the fact that it differs but how can you say the quickshifter is better when the normal shifting is as stiff as concrete ? i mean how did they manage to throw at the trash the smooth shifting gen 3 tigers had and replace it with that ? Also the engine is soulless and terrible , it sounds like a tractor 2 cylinder machine , if i would take an africa twin i would do it , nothing like a 3 line triumph oldschool engine and that of course is because of the needless t plane order , which i dont know why triumph manage to promote it to all her engines , it makes bike to vibrate like a sex toy , come on .
I can agree with schaaf, my rally explorer does definitely not have a stiff suspension even on lowest and hardest adjustment, also, I find myself using the sporty settting on trails to avoid the shaft rattling (just some of it) but agree overall that the tuning could be better and I´ve just got used to the settings and accepted the vibration as a tradeoff of the tplane
As far as the jerkiness goes, I don't know if I got used to the bike's throttle and adapted my wrist, or if it got better after break-in, but I did feel the jerkiness when I first got the bike. It is absolutely not an issue now. The engine vibrations don't start until 4500RPM, and don't get bad until you getting close to 6000RPM. This motor has so much torque and hp, I'm rarely in that range. And when I do, that means I'm riding very aggressively and I welcome the vibration and triple cyclinder screaming as part of the experience. I've rented the GS1250 for a week tour in France, rented a S1000XR for 4 days in Spain, and a few more middleweight bikes here and there. The handling and suspension on the Rally Pro is absolutely top-notch for a bike of this size, and my #1 reason for going for it. It has such better handling characteristics, that 2nd place is not close. This is the first review I've seen where that is mentioned as a negative aspect of this bike. Yes, the GS1250 is better off-road (mostly at low speeds), easier to move around at low speeds due to down-low boxer engine, has a proven track record, and a world-wide network of service and parts. But to chose the GS due to handling/suspension on the road?!!?!? Does not compute. To be fair, I've never scrapped the pegs on either of the bikes.
Been riding sport bike for over a decade. This T plane crank in the 1200 is unique and truly something special. I'm very happy with mine. It's a engine with so much character
Thanks for the video Schaaf. It's so nice that you keep your reviews honest and you touch on all the important points. If I had the money I'd send you a donation for all your great work (🎶you're simply the best🎶). when I can, I will because you deserve it and your work is worth it to a lot of us.
For the suspensions I feel like most recent bikes are just too stiff for rough roads (on big adventure bikes most would pick comfort over sportiness), so maybe that negative could be a positive for others. The other things you pointed out I think are very valid and bike probably needs a bit more development to compete with the kings of its category.
But it's crucial to have the CHOICE to adjust across the entire range of hard to soft, because riding conditions change, especially if you like taking the Rally model off-road. To have limited range of adjustability is ridiculous when one of the big selling points of this bike is the semi-active suspension.
@@Schaaf I looked into software updates for this new Tiger 1200 to see if that annoying "catch" in the on-throttle could be fixed. The Triumph mechanic told me he thinks the problem is in the transmission, not the mapping. He said the engine could have the tuning changed, but it sounded to me more like a compensation for the problem than an actual fix of the problem. Not only is that a limited solution, but it could change other things you might not want changed. Keep in mind that if these problems could really be fixed that easily, Triumph would have done it themselves at the factory.
Most bikes have to be sprung for a general weight cross section from the factory, for a bit of money you can find a shop to fine tune it for you and your needs.
Do you Know how to ride these Adventure biked , you can Adjust On the Fly , you will not hear me Complaining About surface of road , on these bikes I have the 2018 Tiger and my mate has the KTM 1290 , we ride Hard with these bikes The roads are not Getting better , to many Trucks 🚚 , not there Fault no Trains any more roads are stuffed , need to Change Bikes or this case Style of Suspension
I couldn’t agree less with your review, I really couldn’t interesting how different people see things. The damping on the GS for example is okay on a smooth road, but on a U.K. pot holed carriageway the Triumph is infinitely better and more adjustable I’m surprised you didn’t customise the settings to your needs? Bottom end torque doesn’t rival the GS that’s true, but mid range onwards the Triumph is disappearing out of site, biting at the heels of a multi (the seat is much more comfortable than a multi as well) The vibes, people keep mentioning the vibrations again I don’t think they’re intrusive, they don’t really appear until around 5 and even then it’s never been an issue for me??? It does have some downsides, but comparing it to the current GS it’s far more exciting just my opinion
I traded my 2022 K1600 for it, and after taking the RP Off Road, I decided to sell my 890 ADV R as well. This bike is just awesome in every aspect. I switched to sport mode and they really mean it - fucking insane with a 21" Frontwheel. The only thing I'm missing is a steering damper, but maybe there will be some aftermarket solution for it sooner or later.
Jaufen Pass - I've got great memories of riding that a few years ago with friends. It was in May '19 and there was still a lot of snow around. We stopped at the top to get a coffee, but when we were about to go into the cafe it started to snow, so we left and got back down the mountain. Good to see you riding it in better weather...but not on the best bike.
I bought one in 2022 and I almost fully agree with you : jerky driveshaft, too soft suspension even in hardest mode, vibrations in mirrors, not enough ground clearance when cornering, despite weight loss compared to the previous Tigers still gravity point too high, the feel of the clutch is like a dry clutch and not as a hydraulic one. As a matter of fact, I have had two clutch issues in less than 6000 miles : an air bulb formed into the hydraulic system causing almost a standstill : I couldn't almost shift gear anymore and it was very hard to get it in neutral. Clutch lever got very hard (stiff) as well and the travel became worrying . They purged two times at the dealership ( first time at 3000 miles, second time at 6000). My confidence in the bike is lost. Although the engine is not top compared to the GS, KTM or Ducati, it sounds nice and the quickshifter is smooth ... and fast enough to me. Anyway : the bike has nice looks, but is generally deceiving in riding it. No wonder that it doesn't sell well. Hardly anybody buys it. You don't see them around. Missed chance, Triumph !
Thanks for sharing, Alain!! Personally I'm amused by the fact how many owners of the new Tiger 1200 are not able to deal with justifiable criticism. You're on the other hand seem to be a guy who's able to separate between objective and subjective. I massively appreciate that! Best of luck for less issues with your next bike!!
Great video and possibly the most reallistic sound experience compared to other YT channels. Thanks for great work. I’ve noticed the vibes when I first tried the bike. But somehow I managed to ignore them after some time and enjoying the ride quite a lot. I guess it could get some improvements in the next iteration. But as the overall package, including the appearance, engine, and handling, it won my heart.
You're right, but if you prefer mellow and are okay without a shaft drive, I'd go with the Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE instead. Lower cost of ownership, probably more reliable, none of the issues mentioned in this video.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Strangely enough, I owned one for five years and 56k+ miles. Good enough bike, but I prefer twins. I look forward to seeing how reliable Guzzi's new watercooled ST turns out to be as they trickle over. It is important as I keep two bikes in the garage and they both see 10k+ miles a year.
@@saddle8bag That sums up how I feel about the Versys 1000 myself - good enough, but not exciting. I'm glad you mentioned the Moto Guzzi - I'll check it out. Thanks in part to this video's conclusions, my search continues. And yes, I've looked at everything BUT the Moto Guzzi. I'm open to something with minimal dealer network as long as it's reliable enough not to need repeated warranty work or or has those conditions where only the dealer can do the servicing.
@@craigfinnegan8534 One thing I like about Guzzis and my HD is they are both easily maintained by a shadetree mechanic like me. Only thing the HD ever needs is an oil change. The Guzzi requires 6k mile valve checks, but they are super simple to get to and can be adjusted with a screwdriver. My old Versys took longer than that to strip to change a headlight bulb. I've never been a power nut. My excitement comes from smoothly skewering twisty roads. That doesn't take an abundance of HP. I can do it faster on my Thruxton, but its fun if a different challenge on the HD or something like the V85, though I demo'd a V85 on some twisty roads and it was sportier than I had expected. The best thing about the V85 was the ergonomics. Just fit me like a tailored suit.
The vibes are def for real between 4500 & 5500 rpm but strangely, also varies based on the climate it is ridden under. Lower temp climes cause lesser vibes probably coz the engine heat is potentially dissipated faster / is probably more efficient in the under 34 degrees celsius & low humidity situations. Yes, agree this is a strange observation, and I will continue to validate this.
Bit of an outlier review but I can agree with a couple of things. Throttle response is snatchy and there are vibes above 6k. 1st gear could be lower. I do have to question some of your comments though. Quickshifter for example is brilliant yet you don't like it. Hmm. Did you actually tweak the suspension for your aggressive riding style? I don't know about the new GS but the 1250 has terrible suspension on anything but good roads and that can't be adjusted.
Thank you Schaaf, as usual extremely enjoying reviews :) I was considering this bike as an option, now I'm glad I ended up buying my 1290SAS ! (Which won't win any beauty contest for sure 😂), but is fun as hell 🤗
At least in Brazil, we are paying around 20% for the GS and 30% for the V4. I guess I can live with those small defects given the price, I would never ride like you on those corners @schaff. great video, I still bought one a week ago.
Its funny, because nearly all of the problems you mentioned I had with the 1200 Speed Triple. The 180 HP felt like 140, the quickshifter was slow, the vibrations were insane and it didn't felt good in corners, quiete stolid... The 765 Street Triple RS on the other hand was one of the best bikes I've ridden so far. Don't know why they have these differences in their model lineup
Ok, I had a 2 hours test-drive of 1200 GT Pro. It was raining a little bit all the time, but still managed to make couple of open throttle runs up to 7000rpm. Ok, it's doesn't have a twin cylinders torque from 2000rpms, but from 3000 and up - more than adequate. Vibrations for me were about the same as on Tiger 900. Suspension was very nice. I'm not Schaaf so didn't manage to scrape foot pegs 😅. Throttle was indeed a touch jerky when using on lower speeds and revs. I think Tiger 900 had better throttle response. Dash is a little bit glitchy, but overall very nice bike. Expensive as any other bike in that category. Don't really need one.
I have had about 600km on my GT Pro. First impression so far and compared to friends' GS 1250s: + Smooth engine, but roars loudly and proudly when revving hard. Great for highway touring with lots of immediate power on tap. + Overall great comfort. No noticeable vibration under 5k RPM (my bike is still breaking in so this may change). Pillion seat is nicely thick and soft. + Simple to operate the menus and settings. + Throttle is easy to work with in busy city traffic. + Shaft drive is wonderfully smooth and noiseless. + Much cheaper than an equivalent GS in my country. - It's too tall for riders below 180cm and has no way to permanently lower the suspension like the GS. I am 187cm and can't easily flat foot it even with the seat in lower position. - No TPMS - it is standard for the Explorer models only. Weird way to segment the trim levels IMO. GS 1250' base trim level has it. - The TFT is poorly executed - stutters, lots of dead space, turn signals remove the time and ambient temp readout, can't show odo/range in the basic view, etc. Well behind the GS. - The front dives easily and has no steering dampener - not the bike's fault, upside down forks tend to do that. The GS just refuses to dive no matter how hard I brake. - The handlebars are not really comfortable for me, it is a bit much of a stretch. - The rear perks up too much - maybe a design choice, but it does mean that the bike is a lot taller than it needs to be. - Crap Metzeler tires that grip worse in less than ideal conditions than my grandpa's hands. - Weird ass rear tire size at 18" (all other bikes in this segment use 17"). Difficult to find tire options. All in all it is great on its own but saying that this bike trumps the GS in most key areas is a bold claim at best. The GS is still better at the things that matter to an ADV rider, but I believe that Triumph did their best with what they had. I don't regret buying it over the GS and can live with the shortcomings.
Thanks dude... I appreciate your exquisite videos. This bike was on my wish list... from seing your ride and than coments... well it went out from my WL. They didn't inprowe from 10 years ago where matters. CHEERS
There’s a new model on the block. Model year 2024, with many improvents. Schaaf’s bullseye the very problems of the model 2023, but they changed exactly what he mentions. Worth a test ride the new one.
@@onaoinfluencer maybe, maybe not... it will have to be seen. Otherwise, everyone has their own driving style and requirements... and I don't believe that after all these years, the Briton has resorted to radical approaches that would show concrete results... maybe I'll give him the opportunity... for a test drive.
Grüß dich Schaaf, Erstmal wieder einen herzlichen Dank für das tolle Video und die Erfahrung die du mit uns Teilst, und den Mehrwert den du damit für uns alle erschaffst! :-) Mich würden 3 Dinge interessieren... 1. Wo warst du da unterwegs? Schaut genial aus. 2. Wie ist es mit den Vibrationen auf der 900 Gt Pro ? Auch störend? 3. Was würdest du in dem Segment (Tiger 900 GT Low) u.ä alternativ oder grundsätzlich empfehlen? Aktuell fahre ich eine Honda NC 750x (2cm tiefer) mit der ich prinzipiell zufrieden bin, aber mittlerweile hätte ich gerne etwas mit ein bisschen mehr Leistung und etwas besserem Fahrwerk... da ich aber bloß 1.69M groß (klein) bin fällt vieles weg. Tracer 9 GT zb oder Afrika Twin sind mir leider zu groß... Hast du evtl ne Idee? Beste Grüße :-)
Ich besitze tatsächlich die 900 GT Pro. Ich finde es sehr wendig und leichtgängig. Ich stimme scaaf in Bezug auf die Kraftstoffprobleme und das Leistungsband mit hoher Drehzahl zu.
Jaufenpass! Auf der 900er hab ich keine störenden Vibrationen bemerkt. Überhaupt ist die 900er Tiger ein wirklich geniales Bike, so lange man nicht vor hat, besonders schnell mit ihr zu reisen. Ihre Schräglagenfreiheit ist nämlich nicht die größte. Dies wird aber wirklich nur zum Problem, wenn man es heftig krachen lassen möchte. Bei der Frage 900er vs 1200er Tiger ist mein Sieger sowas von klar die "kleine". Wenn es dir primär ums Reisen auf der Straße geht, dann könntest du dich auch mal bei den Sporttourern umsehen. Die sind oft etwas niedriger.
@@Schaaf herzlichen Dank für deine Antwort, das mit der 900er klingt dann tatsächlich so als wäre es garkeine schlechte Option... werde ich mir bei Gelegenheit echt mal anschauen(mal schauen was auf der Eicma noch vorgestellt wird) Bei den meisten Sporttourern ist mir der Kniewinkel etwas zu spitz, sowie die Sitzposition auf dauer etwas zu unenntspannt (nur rein persönliches Empfinden) aber wegen der Sitzhöhe hast du natürlich recht, danke wie gesagt nochmal. :-) Schaut klasse aus der Jaufenpass!
Mam Tygrysa - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - ten motocykl to prawdziwy kocur. Pędzi jak szalony, z kuframi czy bez. Miałem problem z Quickshifterem bo nie umiałem przerzucać biegi, dopiero po przejechaniu 14 tys km zacząłem rozumieć Tigera. Jego nie można porównać do GSa czy Multi, czy KTM itp. Tiger to inny motocykl i albo się go lubi albo nienawidzi, zero półśrodków. Tiger to szybki turystyk, który pojedzie na wyprawę bez zadyszki, będzie połykał kilometry bez względu na podłoże, tylko trzeba się z nim umieć dogadać.
@@Schaaf I have a Tiger - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - this motorcycle is a real tomcat. He rushes like crazy, with or without trunks. I had a problem with the Quickshifter because I couldn't shift gears, only after driving 14,000 km I started to understand the Tiger. It cannot be compared to the GS or the Multi or the KTM etc. The Tiger is a different motorcycle and you either like it or hate it, no half-measures. Tiger is a fast hiker who will go on an expedition without getting out of breath, he will swallow kilometers regardless of the terrain, you just need to know how to get along with him.
I too love the sound if this engine! It's throaty and menacing. Something with the tone. Honestly, look up for example the Koenigsegg One:1 0-300-0 run, they have a very similar note!
@@gokulkrishm51 eh, the KTM just sounds like most other high-revving twins. The Multi does sound pretty unique though. The Tiger sounds closer to a V4 than a twin
Also als erstes erwartet man von so einem Motorrad überhaupt nicht das die Fußrasten in der Kurve schleifen. Aber das kann ja auch davon abhängen das du im Sattel klebst und dich gar nicht in die Kurve Legat. Zweitens das Geräusch beim Gangwechsel irritiert. Kann aber auch vom quikshifter abhängen. Drittens kommt es mir so vor oder hat die Tiger bei hoher Geschwindigkeit Vibrationen? Fazit: Definitiv kein Moped was ich mir zulege. Danke für die Präsentation! 👍
wenn ich mich auf einer Reiseenduro im Sattel bewegen muss, dann ist das eine EINDEUTIGE Themenverfehlung. Keine andere Reiseenduro verlangt das von mir. Ich möchte gemütlich fahren und nicht wie auf einem Sportbike herumturnen.
@@Schaaf ich habe nicht behauptet das du es musst. Ich habe nur angedeutet das es damit zu tun hätte das die Fußrasten schleifen. Aus diesem Grunde Stimme ich dir total zu das es EINDEUTIGE Themenververfehlung ist. Ist es notwendig bei einer Reiseenduro sich so in die Kurve zu schmeißen das die Fußrasten schleifen lieber Schaaf?
Hi. You really think the 1250GS is a better all round package than the Tiger 1200? I have a Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 and looking for an upgrade (shaft drive is a must).
Ein ehrliches review 👍🏻 Das mit der Zündfolge versteht absolut niemand, ein klassischer Fall von Verschlimmbesserung 😕 Aber das sie auch sonst so viele Unzulänglichkeiten hat ist wirklich verwunderlich, grad für eine Triumph.
Genau! Irgendeine Abteilung im Unternehmen muss da gewaltig Druck hinsichtlich einer schnellen Fertigstellung gemacht haben. Ist schön nach hinten los gegangen...
I wont even ride the bike after riding a 900 gt pro with the vibes identical crank lumpy firing so I thought, bigger jugs more vibes. You just confirmed my suspicion.
How would you compare this to the 900? Is the smaller bike still better at triumph? I rode the 800 before and would have bought it if i were to ride mostly solo, but since it's not the case i chose the ktm 1190. Ever since im still thinking about that 800 and now that my mate/neighbour got one, i started thinking about changing to triumph.
I was hesitating between the GS and this bike and like all the bikes you have tested and that I know personally I agree with you, I think the choice is made ^^. Now will the GS 1300 be released soon, wait or not but that's another question. Thank you for the honesty of the test which helped me drastically!✌️
@@ridethetiger1895 That bothers me, too. It's not just the lights themselves, it's the attitude behind them (25,000 USD should buy me top-spec EVERYTHING). Switchgear isn't backlit on the GS (but is on this Tiger). The worst was the BMW-branded brakes they tried cheaping out on (made by an American company called Hayes) that ALL had to be replaced by Brembos after they started leaking brake fluid.
@@craigfinnegan8534 one might need back-lit switches on that, esp that right next to the horn is annoying to find. But even Donkey Kong with wintergloves, 2 left hands, all of them fingers thumbs can easiely find every button on a bmw ... just sayin ;)
Klingt hervorragend! Erinnert mich an meine Guzzi Stelvio, die auch fast so gut vorwaerts geht. Allerdings setzt die nicht schon bei solch maessigen Kurven auf, trotz extremerer Schraeglage. Ist eben eine Guzzi..Unsere Fahrweise ist aehnlich 👍👌😆
I don't think you mentioned this in the video, but compared to the Super Adventure and GS, this bike is very top heavy. Even the multi feels like it is lighter.
Helpful comment for me. I couldn't take the top-heavy handling of the Yamaha Super Tenere that I paid a lot less for (new) than this Tiger 1200. I traded in the ST for a Tracer 900 after only 6 months. The Tracer was on another level in terms of lightness and agility.
@@Schaafdésolé mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec votre analyse car possesseur d'une africa twin adventure sports 1000 DCT, j'ai testé la 1200 GT pro et la 1200 Rally Pro et j'ai trouvé la Tiger meilleur que la 1250 GS et que ma Honda. J' ai testé le même jour, la harley davidson Pan America que je n'ai pas du tout aimé. L'agilité et la finition sont vraiment en dessous de cette tiger 1200. Sinon, j'aime bien la plupart de vos vidéos. Soyez prudent et bonne année 2024.
Great video Schaff thanks - it's funny in the way bike accelerated at the top of the revs, that it sounded as if it had a powerband, almost like a huge two-stroke! I agree, an odd choice of tuning for an ADV. I imagine version 2.0 of the bike will perform better at low revs in a year or two...
It has quite nice smooth torque curve which grows with revs. You can find out videos with dynos of the new Tiger 1200 already. The thing is though that competitors do have more torque at lower revs, which is actually where riders spend their time mostly.
we should not spend that much time in very low revs for saving gas or enjoying the low rumble, that is bad for engines and this bike is way better staying above 4500 rpm on everyday use. I stopped riding in 5th and staying in 4 or even 3 on urban riding, it is an improvement@@vvevvevvvv
Kann dem zu 100% zustimmen! Hatte sie zwei Tage und habe festgestellt das mir das Motorrad garnicht passt. Motor fährt sich sehr sportlich und braucht Touren und der Rest vom Motorrad kommt dann nicht mit hinterher und dann hört es auf Spaß zu machen. Die Fußrasten haben mir auch zu früh geschliffen. Habe leider kein Vergleich zu anderen großen Tourer Bikes.
Appreciate the honest review, I do agree it's a mixed bag and had hoped it would be a lot better. Is that the top of the Jaufenpass? I made it there in June from Scotland, what a road
Congratulations on a great video. Highly disagree with your opinions but its always nice to see others view once i have formatted mine. I think you failed to comprehend the whole philosophy of this bike as well as Triumph's. Every model has its own market and its unfair to burry it just because you don't fall into it. Just for the record i liked this video and subscribed to your channel.
I think I comprehend the philosophy quite well. It's a travel bike. Just like Triumph communicates. Its shortcomings are all negatively impacting it's travel performance. But thanks and much respect for stating your opinion in a respectful manner.
Just had a test drive; suspensions was very nice, but the vibrations were very very noticeable. To much for my liking. The most annoying bit is that the vibrations are right between 3K-5.5K RPM. RPM range where I normally cruise in. Drive back after an 20 minute test drive. Unfortunately not for me. Was a real bummer because I absolutely love the design and the rest of the bike.
Hello Schaaf, should I replace my 1290 SAS for this monster …? I know you love the KTM 😉..!! Greetings from the Netherlands Hope you’ll recover quickly 💪
Nice road. Where was that? In terms of your review, I have to ask myself just how objective it really was? I‘ve seen dozens of reviews of the Tiger 1200 (in all formats), and none were as negative as yours. I‘ve ridden the GT Pro and had no problems with vibrations (nor on the 850 Sport which I currently own). Are you sure you don‘t have some anti-Triumph axe to grind, because many reviews I‘ve seen rate this way above the GS and other major competitors.
Is the T-Plane rougher/more vibe-y than a traditional triple crank? I've been wondering about that, but I haven't heard anyone say anything one way or the other (though I gather it's not that big a difference either way, or people would be talking about it).
A very interesting comparison - how does an adventure bike accelerate out of the hairpin curve? Does anyone count tenths of a second on a motorcycle trip? Are motorcycle tours only on twisty roads in the beautiful Italian Alps? If so, then this comparison is for a very narrow group... I was the owner of a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Yes, this bike has flaws, but not so much in the physical side as in other things: the dashboard is taken from the wrong motorcycle. The dashboard is definitely not that of an adventure bike!
Nobody counts tenth of a seconds on a mountain road. What counts is the feeling of satisfaction. Having something like a giant turbo lag on a big bike is the opposite of satisfying. While GS, KTM, and Multi V4 simply put the hammer down in the bottom of the rev range and that feels wonderful and satisfying.
@@Schaaf Hi, yes I understand you as I used to own a big Tiger and in July I rode dozens of mountain passes in northern Italy, including Stelvio. You are a very experienced rider and the videos you post are great but one sided. Very one-sided for evaluating the characteristics of a motorcycle. Twisty roads, full throttle, braking down. That is all, no more! For every type of motorcycle... Big Tiger was "fine-tuned" by Ricky Carmichael. Motocross rider. Apparently the bike was tuned more for offroad. If the fine-tuning had been done by Valentino Rossi, maybe the cornering acceleration parameters on mountain roads would be better and the offroad setup would be worse. What is absolutely certain - no motorcycle can be made perfect for all different riding modes. PS Triumph could tune their T1200's sprint acceleration at low revs. In the forest it is now very good, on mountain roads, in hairpins it is bad!
A long time ago he reviewed the tiger 900s. To summarize, the sound of the old ones was better but the performance of the new ones significantly improved. Performance for character, it seems. For my opinion, these sound like fast revving twins, which triumph does well with it's modern classic bikes. I suppose that's their goal unless you pickup their sporty triples.
@@JelloThatsMellow cool. I personally prefer the sound of the T plane triple. Am mostly curious of how the performance feels side by side. I’m told you gain more low end and mid range grunt. But loose some power at the top of the rpms
TESTED ONE> low end power doesn't hold a candle to the BMW boxer, 1200 or 1250 no matter what. Mid range is not so fun either. High rev power is there but who cares about it on a bike like this. For the money i can get a BMW 1250RT loaded with extras which works way better and is WAY more balanced and refined. Missed opportunity by Triumph.
Wenn man was über die Fahrbarkeit eines Bikes wissen will, ist man bei Schaaf immer richtig... kenne niemanden sonst der eine Maschine so gut im Griff hat und alles rausholt auf jedem Meter. Macht immer Laune zuzusehen. Die Tiger fällt aus wegen der Vibrationen. Ein Aspekt, den ich nicht ignorieren kann. Ein schönes Bike, aber sinnlos für mich. Wird wohl eine Africa Twin als Schalter werden.
From what I heard, it's quite un-Triumph-ish to make those flaws. I've never seen it irl and so I cannot fully criticize it. I hope you're making a video about your Ireland trip! :D
Some people like soft "real world" suspension. That's why I bought a SAR over a SAS - good quality manual suspension that I can set up how I like it (supple with good damping) - I can ride on any surface not even worrying about what's under me - it just grips. So what it it moves a bit when I'm being aggressive - a price worth paying for supreme comfort. I can still scrape the pegs - does doing the same feeling every ridge and bump in the road make it faster? No.
I like quality suspension. The SAR uses high class suspension parts. The Tiger doesn't. It's not about soft or hard. It's about damping characteristics
It probably comes down to the way these engines are balanced. On an even-firing triple, you normally have residual external couples of the 1st and 2nd order, with the 1st order rocking moment being equal in the yaw and pitch directions, and the 2nd moment being strictly in the pitch direction. Normally the primary moment is taken care of by a counter-rotating balance shaft, but the secondary couple is left unchecked. This isn't too big of a deal. However, with the 90° crank arrangement Triumph are now using, the engine's 1st-order vibrations consist of both a 1st order force AND couple. Triumph of course have incorporated a balance shaft to eliminate these, but now the engine wants to roll side-to-side (front-to-back relative to the bike itself). There is also a 2nd order external force.
They changed the engine configuration to be better offroad. The last Gen Tiger engines were smooth for onroad touring, but were vague offroad. The last gen Tiger wasnt even taken seriously offroad. This new engine was made to give you a ton of feedback and feel offroad, and its done its job well. Everyone says amazing things about this bike offroad, and it should, because they partnered with a motocross champion to help build the bike. An ADV needs to be able to handle offroad and onroad. An ADV that can only do onroad touring is just a sport touring bike, not a true ADV
Hallo Schaaf, der Motor hört sich beim dahin gleiten an wie eine Nähmaschine. Man hört kaum den Motor selbst. Oder täuscht das durch das Microphone? Beim beschleunigen hört es sich geil an! Aber mit einer Reisemaschine ist man ja meistens am cruisen! Da würde mich das Nageln glaube ich stören. Kannst Du meinen Eindruck bestätigen? LG.
Servus Guido! In echt hört sich das Motorrad schon genau so an, aber es kommen dann noch Windgeräusche dazu und der Klang ist dann bei weitem nicht mehr so stark wahrnehmbar. Ich empfand in als angenehm und unauffällig
@@Schaaf vielen Dank für dein Feedback! Hat mir sehr geholfen! Möchte mir die Rally Pro zulegen. Einige Updates sollen wohl auch das Problem mit dem Lastwechsel im Kardan weitestgehend behoben haben. Der Leistungsnachteil gegenüber der Konkurrenz ist für mich nicht so schlimm. Ich liebe dafür die Möglichkeit schaltfaul fahren zu können! Ich weiß, die BMW kann das auch! Ich möchte aber Kardan, keine BMW und möglichst 21 Zoll vorne. Da kommt man an den Tiger nicht vorbei! Möchte halt nur keine Rappelkiste! Das würde mich auf Touren dann doch nerven! LG.
Wow that was a shocker. Triumph usually spends a lot of time and effort getting their bikes right. But clearly, in an effort to outdo the GS, they failed to capture the true essence of their bike. What a shame
Must’ve been something wrong with that Tiger 1200 because I didn’t find the vibrations that bad. I’ve driven both the GS 1250 and Tiger 1200 and in my opinion, the Tiger wins my heart. The GS is not inspiring at all, it’s a tool and really lacks soul. It’s a brilliant tool, but it doesn’t speak to me. Vibrates like crazy under acceleration that my vision even got blurry and has a very diesel like power curve.. Plenty down low, dead at the top.. It was a 2023 model.. The Tiger on the other hand was much more dramatic, it had a personality and was much more fun to ride.. Plus I felt it overall vibrated less than the GS 1250.. I don’t own either of them but I really hope the GS 1300 changes my opinion.. But I won’t disagree the fact that the GS is a working horse.
Everybody's different. For me the Tigers high frequency vibrations were unbearable and the low torque in the low revs absolutely ridiculous for a 150hp bike. And I'd never ever call a boxer engine lacking in character.
@@Schaaf Well nobody should listen to either me or you and build themselves their own opinions.. I felt the boxer engine extremely uninspiring, boring and bland.. Sounds horrible.. Felt the Tiger had much more personality and was much more entertaining.. I enjoyed my 2 hours on the Tiger and the only thing left I can give the GS is balance.. Nothing is easier to drive than a GS
@@Schaaf The problems you mentioned with low-end torque may have to do with the engine having a very short stroke-to-bore ratio (90mm bore by 60.7mm stroke). It's built almost like a race engine. And it's harder to get good low-end torque as you decrease the stroke-to-bore ratio.
I actually forgot to mention one other severely bad aspect: vibrations. Taking this thing to motorway speed gives you vibrations through the handlebars which are very, very, very annoying. How on earth Triumph was able to actually think "yep, that's it, that bike is perfect and ready for production" is beyond me. I have never ridden a EURO-4 or 5 machine with this many flaws.
#ouch
@@RikkyTang this was EXACTLY my thought as well.
A lot of have said the very same so the bike isn’t very good on or off road it’s not the quickest and it’s very expensive another swing and a miss at the competition
@@DaleMt09sp you are not right. It's quite good off road, actually.
Miles better than previous Tiger 1200 and also better than current GS.
But other parts of the new Tiger aren't so exciting.
@@vvevvevvvv I’ve watched plenty of reviews none are inspiring gs is still top of the pile for me
The sound on your videos is just brutally clean and soothing to listen to. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much!
If this bike is bad, then you've officially become jaded from riding so many bikes! This bike is literal worlds above many other ADV bikes offroad and onroad. The only bikes that really compare are the Multi and the KTM. This Tiger wheelies past a GS
You failed to realize they made this engine change so it can actually compete offroad. The regular triples were extremely vague offroad. These new T-planes are meant to give you feel and feedback offroad, and it shows because basically everyone agrees it kicks ass offroad.
You kinda judged it as a sport touring bike, not as an ADV. Just from your comments i can tell you wished it was more like a S1000XR or something.
"This here still is a very well-working bike" I literally put this very sentence into my review. I'm still looking for that part where I said that the Tiger was a bad bike. I have not heard a single person so far (except for biased Brits) who are saying that this bike works better than GS and KTM offroad. Little power down low plus jerky throttle response are actually absolute offroad nightmares. I'm afraid you and your "everyones" are not exactly good at judging offroad capabilities themselves...
@@Schaaf kinda hard to say Brits are biased in this case, seeing how Brits have been enamored with the GS for a long time, and Brits also have harsh criticisms on the last generation Tiger.
Id love to hear you tell Ricky Carmichael himself that he's a poor judge of offroad character 😂 he literally helped design the new Tiger and put it through its paces offroad. Two-time Isle of Man champ Cameron Donald just completed the Hardi Australia 24-hour trial with the new Tiger 1200, and this race was the most technical course yet!
@@Schaaf little torque down low huh?? The Tiger 1200 makes more torque at 3000rpm than the Multi V4s and Africa Twin 1100. Also makes the same horsepower as the SAS at 3000rpm, despite being 10 lb-ft shy of the SAS at 3000rpm. Having done a decent amount of offroading on big bikes, i can say huge torque down low can get you in trouble in technical situations. The KTM is great on open firetrails, but is like wrestling a bear during technical sections. The GS definitely has most of its grunt in low rpms, but its saved by the fact that its barely putting down 45 horsepower to the ground at 3000rpm, and it carries its weight so low.
Think what you want about the Tigers offroading ability, but alot of top-tier riders have said great things about its offroad capabilities. Not surprised seeing how Ricky Carmichael helped design the bike.
Ill agree to disagree with you on that one
@@Schaaffirst of all, the header on this video says "Why though?" That's the first indicator of bad things coming. Then, you went on to mock Triumph for thinking this bike was actually ready for production. If that wasn't enough, you went on to say "I have never ridden a Euro 4 or 5 machine with this many flaws." You clearly think this bike is a piece of garbage. Why not just own it? As far as the "jerkiness of the throttle" being bad offroad, there was no offroad component in this test. You had it in Sport mode the entire time. Off road mode has different mapping where the throttle is not as crisp...similar to rain mode. As far as vibrations go, you're obviously someone who is very sensitive to that. New bar end weights and ten minutes clears up what little vibes there are.
I don't understand the cult following of the GS. It's not all that. Shaft drive and electronics issues. Satnav is a joke and the bike is too damned wide, with those cylinder heads jutting out, ready to punish your shins. KTMs are butt ugly and their reliability is suspect. The Multistrada is overpriced, has a faulty infotainment system, horrible heat management and the cost of ownership is probably worse than BMW. Nobody likes talking about those things because they've already made up their minds. We all have opinions. Good thing there are so many options to appeal to our whims and biases.
Mam Tygrysa - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - ten motocykl to prawdziwy kocur. Pędzi jak szalony, z kuframi czy bez. Miałem problem z Quickshifterem bo nie umiałem przerzucać biegi, dopiero po przejechaniu 14 tys km zacząłem rozumieć Tigera. Jego nie można porównać do GSa czy Multi, czy KTM itp. Tiger to inny motocykl i albo się go lubi albo nienawidzi, zero półśrodków. Tiger to szybki turystyk, który pojedzie na wyprawę bez zadyszki, będzie połykał kilometry bez względu na podłoże, tylko trzeba się z nim umieć dogadać.
Riding a bike differs from person to person. I took the Triumph RP on a 1 week test ride with the missus and luggage. Never once did i feel the suspension being too soft esp after adjusting it properly. Why? Because i rode it like and adventure/tourer bike and not as a sportsbike. As for vibrations, all bikes have it, the GS, the SAS, the Multi etc. The quickshiffter on the Tiger is brilliant, once again riding it as intended and not as a sportsbike. The one on the GS is agricultural at best. The one on the SAS and Multi were better, but those are basically sports bike on stilts. I wouldnt touch a KTM with a 10 ft pole having own the previous SAS. As for the multi, you will spend a ton of $$$ on their parts and fuel as the bike is thirsty.
I do however agree with your point on the slow maneuvers, its a bit jerky, which i suppose could do with a software update. Triumph made a mistake putting the t-plane engine on the GT. In the end, there is no such thing as a perfect bike, only what we make of them. As for reference, i loved the test ride so much, i sold my 1250 GS and got the RP. Dont regret it one bit.
Brilliant riding videos as always. Have enjoyed them immensely.
indeed James, it differs from person to person. But I think my riding from 8:05 onwards is not exactly sports bike like ;) Thanks for your comment!
I have a 2023 Tiger GT Explorer and the vibration is terrible. I think people just get used to it. I have a buddy with a GS and another with a Multi. When riding their bikes, it is so obvious how much vibration is transmitted to the bars. I have 2200 miles on mine, and it will be traded as soon as a good deal on a Multi can be made. The heated grips are terrible as well. I paid 27k out the door with bags so It's not like I want to hate it, but I do. There are quite a few with under 1k miles for sale near me.
Picking up my 2023 GSA on Tuesday
my guy , i accept the fact that it differs but how can you say the quickshifter is better when the normal shifting is as stiff as concrete ? i mean how did they manage to throw at the trash the smooth shifting gen 3 tigers had and replace it with that ? Also the engine is soulless and terrible , it sounds like a tractor 2 cylinder machine , if i would take an africa twin i would do it , nothing like a 3 line triumph oldschool engine and that of course is because of the needless t plane order , which i dont know why triumph manage to promote it to all her engines , it makes bike to vibrate like a sex toy , come on .
I can agree with schaaf, my rally explorer does definitely not have a stiff suspension even on lowest and hardest adjustment, also, I find myself using the sporty settting on trails to avoid the shaft rattling (just some of it) but agree overall that the tuning could be better and I´ve just got used to the settings and accepted the vibration as a tradeoff of the tplane
Sold my GS for that sound. I really enjoy it 🏍💨🍻
nice!!
As far as the jerkiness goes, I don't know if I got used to the bike's throttle and adapted my wrist, or if it got better after break-in, but I did feel the jerkiness when I first got the bike. It is absolutely not an issue now. The engine vibrations don't start until 4500RPM, and don't get bad until you getting close to 6000RPM. This motor has so much torque and hp, I'm rarely in that range. And when I do, that means I'm riding very aggressively and I welcome the vibration and triple cyclinder screaming as part of the experience. I've rented the GS1250 for a week tour in France, rented a S1000XR for 4 days in Spain, and a few more middleweight bikes here and there. The handling and suspension on the Rally Pro is absolutely top-notch for a bike of this size, and my #1 reason for going for it. It has such better handling characteristics, that 2nd place is not close. This is the first review I've seen where that is mentioned as a negative aspect of this bike. Yes, the GS1250 is better off-road (mostly at low speeds), easier to move around at low speeds due to down-low boxer engine, has a proven track record, and a world-wide network of service and parts. But to chose the GS due to handling/suspension on the road?!!?!? Does not compute. To be fair, I've never scrapped the pegs on either of the bikes.
Thank you for this video, this is what I've been wanting to see. Someone riding it like it is supposed to be ridden. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've never seen an Adv bike ridden as hard as this haha. You're very skilled!
Thanks!
This guy rides the piss out of every bike he sits on. Street rider with some of the biggest balls out there
My GOD you're swinging this quarter of a ton thing like it's effortless! Love it, the road, the sound - just awesome. Be safe man!
Thanks, will do!
Awesome bike and awesome road..... and I've just bought a Rally Pro and will be very much looking forward to using it in Germany this year.
Nice!
Been riding sport bike for over a decade. This T plane crank in the 1200 is unique and truly something special. I'm very happy with mine. It's a engine with so much character
Nice!!
Watching Schaaf once again spank the **** off a bike through those beautiful mountain roads. Perfect start to my evening 👌🏻
Glad you enjoyed it ;)
Thanks for the video Schaaf. It's so nice that you keep your reviews honest and you touch on all the important points. If I had the money I'd send you a donation for all your great work (🎶you're simply the best🎶). when I can, I will because you deserve it and your work is worth it to a lot of us.
thanks a lot mate
For the suspensions I feel like most recent bikes are just too stiff for rough roads (on big adventure bikes most would pick comfort over sportiness), so maybe that negative could be a positive for others. The other things you pointed out I think are very valid and bike probably needs a bit more development to compete with the kings of its category.
definitely! But indeed some things could probably even be fixed just with software updates
But it's crucial to have the CHOICE to adjust across the entire range of hard to soft, because riding conditions change, especially if you like taking the Rally model off-road. To have limited range of adjustability is ridiculous when one of the big selling points of this bike is the semi-active suspension.
@@Schaaf I looked into software updates for this new Tiger 1200 to see if that annoying "catch" in the on-throttle could be fixed. The Triumph mechanic told me he thinks the problem is in the transmission, not the mapping. He said the engine could have the tuning changed, but it sounded to me more like a compensation for the problem than an actual fix of the problem. Not only is that a limited solution, but it could change other things you might not want changed. Keep in mind that if these problems could really be fixed that easily, Triumph would have done it themselves at the factory.
Most bikes have to be sprung for a general weight cross section from the factory, for a bit of money you can find a shop to fine tune it for you and your needs.
Do you Know how to ride these
Adventure biked , you can Adjust
On the Fly , you will not hear me Complaining
About surface of road , on these bikes
I have the 2018 Tiger and my mate has the KTM 1290 , we ride Hard with these bikes
The roads are not Getting better , to many
Trucks 🚚 , not there Fault no Trains any more roads are stuffed , need to Change
Bikes or this case Style of Suspension
I couldn’t agree less with your review, I really couldn’t interesting how different people see things. The damping on the GS for example is okay on a smooth road, but on a U.K. pot holed carriageway the Triumph is infinitely better and more adjustable I’m surprised you didn’t customise the settings to your needs?
Bottom end torque doesn’t rival the GS that’s true, but mid range onwards the Triumph is disappearing out of site, biting at the heels of a multi (the seat is much more comfortable than a multi as well)
The vibes, people keep mentioning the vibrations again I don’t think they’re intrusive, they don’t really appear until around 5 and even then it’s never been an issue for me???
It does have some downsides, but comparing it to the current GS it’s far more exciting just my opinion
The GS is not the top dog any longer. You need to compare it to Multi V4 and KTM SAS
I traded my 2022 K1600 for it, and after taking the RP Off Road, I decided to sell my 890 ADV R as well. This bike is just awesome in every aspect. I switched to sport mode and they really mean it - fucking insane with a 21" Frontwheel. The only thing I'm missing is a steering damper, but maybe there will be some aftermarket solution for it sooner or later.
you should try the Multi V4 or 1290 KTM ;)
@@Schaaf which is the better choice between those 2? why? thx for the feedback :)
Jaufen Pass - I've got great memories of riding that a few years ago with friends. It was in May '19 and there was still a lot of snow around. We stopped at the top to get a coffee, but when we were about to go into the cafe it started to snow, so we left and got back down the mountain. Good to see you riding it in better weather...but not on the best bike.
Sounds memorable indeed!
Awesome bike - good thing we all have different views about same bikes - I for instance prefer the 1200 GT Pro over the GS 1250.
Indeed! Thanks for the comment!
I bought one in 2022 and I almost fully agree with you : jerky driveshaft, too soft suspension even in hardest mode, vibrations in mirrors, not enough ground clearance when cornering, despite weight loss compared to the previous Tigers still gravity point too high, the feel of the clutch is like a dry clutch and not as a hydraulic one. As a matter of fact, I have had two clutch issues in less than 6000 miles : an air bulb formed into the hydraulic system causing almost a standstill : I couldn't almost shift gear anymore and it was very hard to get it in neutral. Clutch lever got very hard (stiff) as well and the travel became worrying . They purged two times at the dealership ( first time at 3000 miles, second time at 6000). My confidence in the bike is lost. Although the engine is not top compared to the GS, KTM or Ducati, it sounds nice and the quickshifter is smooth ... and fast enough to me. Anyway : the bike has nice looks, but is generally deceiving in riding it. No wonder that it doesn't sell well. Hardly anybody buys it. You don't see them around. Missed chance, Triumph !
Thanks for sharing, Alain!! Personally I'm amused by the fact how many owners of the new Tiger 1200 are not able to deal with justifiable criticism. You're on the other hand seem to be a guy who's able to separate between objective and subjective. I massively appreciate that! Best of luck for less issues with your next bike!!
Great video and possibly the most reallistic sound experience compared to other YT channels. Thanks for great work.
I’ve noticed the vibes when I first tried the bike. But somehow I managed to ignore them after some time and enjoying the ride quite a lot. I guess it could get some improvements in the next iteration.
But as the overall package, including the appearance, engine, and handling, it won my heart.
awesome!!
Sounds pretty mellow. Good bike to go touring on.
thanks
You're right, but if you prefer mellow and are okay without a shaft drive, I'd go with the Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE instead. Lower cost of ownership, probably more reliable, none of the issues mentioned in this video.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Strangely enough, I owned one for five years and 56k+ miles. Good enough bike, but I prefer twins. I look forward to seeing how reliable Guzzi's new watercooled ST turns out to be as they trickle over. It is important as I keep two bikes in the garage and they both see 10k+ miles a year.
@@saddle8bag That sums up how I feel about the Versys 1000 myself - good enough, but not exciting. I'm glad you mentioned the Moto Guzzi - I'll check it out. Thanks in part to this video's conclusions, my search continues. And yes, I've looked at everything BUT the Moto Guzzi. I'm open to something with minimal dealer network as long as it's reliable enough not to need repeated warranty work or or has those conditions where only the dealer can do the servicing.
@@craigfinnegan8534 One thing I like about Guzzis and my HD is they are both easily maintained by a shadetree mechanic like me. Only thing the HD ever needs is an oil change. The Guzzi requires 6k mile valve checks, but they are super simple to get to and can be adjusted with a screwdriver. My old Versys took longer than that to strip to change a headlight bulb.
I've never been a power nut. My excitement comes from smoothly skewering twisty roads. That doesn't take an abundance of HP. I can do it faster on my Thruxton, but its fun if a different challenge on the HD or something like the V85, though I demo'd a V85 on some twisty roads and it was sportier than I had expected. The best thing about the V85 was the ergonomics. Just fit me like a tailored suit.
The vibes are def for real between 4500 & 5500 rpm but strangely, also varies based on the climate it is ridden under. Lower temp climes cause lesser vibes probably coz the engine heat is potentially dissipated faster / is probably more efficient in the under 34 degrees celsius & low humidity situations. Yes, agree this is a strange observation, and I will continue to validate this.
Bit of an outlier review but I can agree with a couple of things. Throttle response is snatchy and there are vibes above 6k. 1st gear could be lower. I do have to question some of your comments though. Quickshifter for example is brilliant yet you don't like it. Hmm. Did you actually tweak the suspension for your aggressive riding style? I don't know about the new GS but the 1250 has terrible suspension on anything but good roads and that can't be adjusted.
FAV guy is back
FPV guy is back
thanks
Thank you Schaaf, as usual extremely enjoying reviews :)
I was considering this bike as an option, now I'm glad I ended up buying my 1290SAS ! (Which won't win any beauty contest for sure 😂), but is fun as hell 🤗
Excellent choice indeed!
At least in Brazil, we are paying around 20% for the GS and 30% for the V4. I guess I can live with those small defects given the price, I would never ride like you on those corners @schaff. great video, I still bought one a week ago.
Nice!!
@@Schaaf man I keep thinking about the knee hitting thing, i am 1,85 and cannot reach those triangles. you must be big
Its funny, because nearly all of the problems you mentioned I had with the 1200 Speed Triple. The 180 HP felt like 140, the quickshifter was slow, the vibrations were insane and it didn't felt good in corners, quiete stolid...
The 765 Street Triple RS on the other hand was one of the best bikes I've ridden so far. Don't know why they have these differences in their model lineup
I love the 765 as well!!
You had some trying times with two green buses. Even missed a lovely right hand downhill cornering😊
Good ride
OK
Nice riding om a bike with a 21” frontwheel bike with ekstra travel suspension. Impressive bike and god riding skills. Thanks for the video 😊
Thanks ✌️
Ok, I had a 2 hours test-drive of 1200 GT Pro. It was raining a little bit all the time, but still managed to make couple of open throttle runs up to 7000rpm. Ok, it's doesn't have a twin cylinders torque from 2000rpms, but from 3000 and up - more than adequate. Vibrations for me were about the same as on Tiger 900.
Suspension was very nice. I'm not Schaaf so didn't manage to scrape foot pegs 😅. Throttle was indeed a touch jerky when using on lower speeds and revs. I think Tiger 900 had better throttle response.
Dash is a little bit glitchy, but overall very nice bike. Expensive as any other bike in that category. Don't really need one.
thanks
What a tricky winding road at this brutal speed😮🎉
Indeed
I have had about 600km on my GT Pro. First impression so far and compared to friends' GS 1250s:
+ Smooth engine, but roars loudly and proudly when revving hard. Great for highway touring with lots of immediate power on tap.
+ Overall great comfort. No noticeable vibration under 5k RPM (my bike is still breaking in so this may change). Pillion seat is nicely thick and soft.
+ Simple to operate the menus and settings.
+ Throttle is easy to work with in busy city traffic.
+ Shaft drive is wonderfully smooth and noiseless.
+ Much cheaper than an equivalent GS in my country.
- It's too tall for riders below 180cm and has no way to permanently lower the suspension like the GS. I am 187cm and can't easily flat foot it even with the seat in lower position.
- No TPMS - it is standard for the Explorer models only. Weird way to segment the trim levels IMO. GS 1250' base trim level has it.
- The TFT is poorly executed - stutters, lots of dead space, turn signals remove the time and ambient temp readout, can't show odo/range in the basic view, etc. Well behind the GS.
- The front dives easily and has no steering dampener - not the bike's fault, upside down forks tend to do that. The GS just refuses to dive no matter how hard I brake.
- The handlebars are not really comfortable for me, it is a bit much of a stretch.
- The rear perks up too much - maybe a design choice, but it does mean that the bike is a lot taller than it needs to be.
- Crap Metzeler tires that grip worse in less than ideal conditions than my grandpa's hands.
- Weird ass rear tire size at 18" (all other bikes in this segment use 17"). Difficult to find tire options.
All in all it is great on its own but saying that this bike trumps the GS in most key areas is a bold claim at best. The GS is still better at the things that matter to an ADV rider, but I believe that Triumph did their best with what they had. I don't regret buying it over the GS and can live with the shortcomings.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks dude... I appreciate your exquisite videos. This bike was on my wish list... from seing your ride and than coments... well it went out from my WL. They didn't inprowe from 10 years ago where matters. CHEERS
There’s a new model on the block. Model year 2024, with many improvents. Schaaf’s bullseye the very problems of the model 2023, but they changed exactly what he mentions. Worth a test ride the new one.
@@onaoinfluencer maybe, maybe not... it will have to be seen. Otherwise, everyone has their own driving style and requirements... and I don't believe that after all these years, the Briton has resorted to radical approaches that would show concrete results... maybe I'll give him the opportunity... for a test drive.
Grüß dich Schaaf,
Erstmal wieder einen herzlichen Dank für das tolle Video und die Erfahrung die du mit uns Teilst, und den Mehrwert den du damit für uns alle erschaffst! :-)
Mich würden 3 Dinge interessieren...
1. Wo warst du da unterwegs? Schaut genial aus.
2. Wie ist es mit den Vibrationen auf der 900 Gt Pro ? Auch störend?
3. Was würdest du in dem Segment (Tiger 900 GT Low) u.ä alternativ oder grundsätzlich empfehlen?
Aktuell fahre ich eine Honda NC 750x (2cm tiefer) mit der ich prinzipiell zufrieden bin, aber mittlerweile hätte ich gerne etwas mit ein bisschen mehr Leistung und etwas besserem Fahrwerk... da ich aber bloß 1.69M groß (klein) bin fällt vieles weg.
Tracer 9 GT zb oder Afrika Twin sind mir leider zu groß...
Hast du evtl ne Idee?
Beste Grüße :-)
Ich besitze tatsächlich die 900 GT Pro. Ich finde es sehr wendig und leichtgängig. Ich stimme scaaf in Bezug auf die Kraftstoffprobleme und das Leistungsband mit hoher Drehzahl zu.
Jaufenpass!
Auf der 900er hab ich keine störenden Vibrationen bemerkt. Überhaupt ist die 900er Tiger ein wirklich geniales Bike, so lange man nicht vor hat, besonders schnell mit ihr zu reisen. Ihre Schräglagenfreiheit ist nämlich nicht die größte. Dies wird aber wirklich nur zum Problem, wenn man es heftig krachen lassen möchte. Bei der Frage 900er vs 1200er Tiger ist mein Sieger sowas von klar die "kleine".
Wenn es dir primär ums Reisen auf der Straße geht, dann könntest du dich auch mal bei den Sporttourern umsehen. Die sind oft etwas niedriger.
@@Schaaf herzlichen Dank für deine Antwort, das mit der 900er klingt dann tatsächlich so als wäre es garkeine schlechte Option... werde ich mir bei Gelegenheit echt mal anschauen(mal schauen was auf der Eicma noch vorgestellt wird)
Bei den meisten Sporttourern ist mir der Kniewinkel etwas zu spitz, sowie die Sitzposition auf dauer etwas zu unenntspannt (nur rein persönliches Empfinden) aber wegen der Sitzhöhe hast du natürlich recht, danke wie gesagt nochmal. :-)
Schaut klasse aus der Jaufenpass!
As interesting as usual !!! 👍
The more i hear those 1200 the less i understand why i'd buy a heavy triple which sounds like a lighter twin 🤔
Triumph put emphasis on to give three cylinder engine "more character".
Which turned out to be a twin cylinder sound, and rough vibrations.
@@vvevvevvvv yes, you're right, but i I have never found my 900 Trophy3 (or any 1050 and previous 1200 I have tried) to lack character..
I'm still missing the old Triple sound of the Tiger 800 :)
Mam Tygrysa - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - ten motocykl to prawdziwy kocur. Pędzi jak szalony, z kuframi czy bez. Miałem problem z Quickshifterem bo nie umiałem przerzucać biegi, dopiero po przejechaniu 14 tys km zacząłem rozumieć Tigera. Jego nie można porównać do GSa czy Multi, czy KTM itp. Tiger to inny motocykl i albo się go lubi albo nienawidzi, zero półśrodków. Tiger to szybki turystyk, który pojedzie na wyprawę bez zadyszki, będzie połykał kilometry bez względu na podłoże, tylko trzeba się z nim umieć dogadać.
I only speak English, sorry
@@Schaaf I have a Tiger - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - this motorcycle is a real tomcat. He rushes like crazy, with or without trunks. I had a problem with the Quickshifter because I couldn't shift gears, only after driving 14,000 km I started to understand the Tiger. It cannot be compared to the GS or the Multi or the KTM etc. The Tiger is a different motorcycle and you either like it or hate it, no half-measures. Tiger is a fast hiker who will go on an expedition without getting out of breath, he will swallow kilometers regardless of the terrain, you just need to know how to get along with him.
I'm just a lover for triumph and well the tiger sounds great nice job
I have never heard anything so brutal like this beast
thanks
You must've never heard about the Multi V4s or the KTM 1290s, Snape.
I too love the sound if this engine! It's throaty and menacing. Something with the tone.
Honestly, look up for example the Koenigsegg One:1 0-300-0 run, they have a very similar note!
@@gokulkrishm51 eh, the KTM just sounds like most other high-revving twins. The Multi does sound pretty unique though. The Tiger sounds closer to a V4 than a twin
@@NicePantsLance you need to hear the KTM with an arrow can on it rather than the stock can
Also als erstes erwartet man von so einem Motorrad überhaupt nicht das die Fußrasten in der Kurve schleifen. Aber das kann ja auch davon abhängen das du im Sattel klebst und dich gar nicht in die Kurve Legat. Zweitens das Geräusch beim Gangwechsel irritiert. Kann aber auch vom quikshifter abhängen. Drittens kommt es mir so vor oder hat die Tiger bei hoher Geschwindigkeit Vibrationen? Fazit: Definitiv kein Moped was ich mir zulege. Danke für die Präsentation! 👍
wenn ich mich auf einer Reiseenduro im Sattel bewegen muss, dann ist das eine EINDEUTIGE Themenverfehlung. Keine andere Reiseenduro verlangt das von mir. Ich möchte gemütlich fahren und nicht wie auf einem Sportbike herumturnen.
@@Schaaf ich habe nicht behauptet das du es musst. Ich habe nur angedeutet das es damit zu tun hätte das die Fußrasten schleifen. Aus diesem Grunde Stimme ich dir total zu das es EINDEUTIGE Themenververfehlung ist. Ist es notwendig bei einer Reiseenduro sich so in die Kurve zu schmeißen das die Fußrasten schleifen lieber Schaaf?
I wonder if 2024 update improved the bike?
Thanks Schaaf, now I'm sure to keep my 1200 Alpine Edition for a while 🙂
good choice!
Always enjoy your videos. I get the same exhilaration riding my ATV on my channel.
Nice, thank you!
Hi.
You really think the 1250GS is a better all round package than the Tiger 1200?
I have a Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 and looking for an upgrade (shaft drive is a must).
Love the roads man. Scratching the road😘💪🏼.
thanks
Ein ehrliches review 👍🏻 Das mit der Zündfolge versteht absolut niemand, ein klassischer Fall von Verschlimmbesserung 😕 Aber das sie auch sonst so viele Unzulänglichkeiten hat ist wirklich verwunderlich, grad für eine Triumph.
Genau! Irgendeine Abteilung im Unternehmen muss da gewaltig Druck hinsichtlich einer schnellen Fertigstellung gemacht haben. Ist schön nach hinten los gegangen...
4:12 Nice Z8! Besides: flawless and enjoyable as always! :)
Thanks! 😄
I wont even ride the bike after riding a 900 gt pro with the vibes identical crank lumpy firing so I thought, bigger jugs more vibes. You just confirmed my suspicion.
I haven't seen already the final impressions, but since sec 15 I can tell this a super heavy bike with lack of punch in the low revs ..
I nailed it haha
hahaha well spotted ;)
Looks like its get up to speed pretty well
the competition does it better
How would you compare this to the 900? Is the smaller bike still better at triumph? I rode the 800 before and would have bought it if i were to ride mostly solo, but since it's not the case i chose the ktm 1190. Ever since im still thinking about that 800 and now that my mate/neighbour got one, i started thinking about changing to triumph.
The 900 is much better. Great quickshifter, no jerky throttle, very agile.
I was hesitating between the GS and this bike and like all the bikes you have tested and that I know personally I agree with you, I think the choice is made ^^. Now will the GS 1300 be released soon, wait or not but that's another question. Thank you for the honesty of the test which helped me drastically!✌️
I would wait until they start putting LEDS back on the GS, I know I couldn't justify spending that kind of money to get halogen lights
wait for the 1300 to be released and then hope for the price of the 1250 to be dropped ;)
@@ridethetiger1895 That bothers me, too. It's not just the lights themselves, it's the attitude behind them (25,000 USD should buy me top-spec EVERYTHING). Switchgear isn't backlit on the GS (but is on this Tiger). The worst was the BMW-branded brakes they tried cheaping out on (made by an American company called Hayes) that ALL had to be replaced by Brembos after they started leaking brake fluid.
@@craigfinnegan8534 one might need back-lit switches on that, esp that right next to the horn is annoying to find. But even Donkey Kong with wintergloves, 2 left hands, all of them fingers thumbs can easiely find every button on a bmw ... just sayin ;)
fantastic critique!
Thanks
Klingt hervorragend! Erinnert mich an meine Guzzi Stelvio, die auch fast so gut vorwaerts geht. Allerdings setzt die nicht schon bei solch maessigen Kurven auf, trotz extremerer Schraeglage. Ist eben eine Guzzi..Unsere Fahrweise ist aehnlich 👍👌😆
I don't think you mentioned this in the video, but compared to the Super Adventure and GS, this bike is very top heavy. Even the multi feels like it is lighter.
absolutely. I just commented on their agility. The Tiger comes close to the agility and handling of the Pan America. WHich is quite shocking lol
Helpful comment for me. I couldn't take the top-heavy handling of the Yamaha Super Tenere that I paid a lot less for (new) than this Tiger 1200. I traded in the ST for a Tracer 900 after only 6 months. The Tracer was on another level in terms of lightness and agility.
@@Schaafdésolé mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec votre analyse car possesseur d'une africa twin adventure sports 1000 DCT, j'ai testé la 1200 GT pro et la 1200 Rally Pro et j'ai trouvé la Tiger meilleur que la 1250 GS et que ma Honda.
J' ai testé le même jour, la harley davidson Pan America que je n'ai pas du tout aimé. L'agilité et la finition sont vraiment en dessous de cette tiger 1200. Sinon, j'aime bien la plupart de vos vidéos. Soyez prudent et bonne année 2024.
Nice video, amazing ride
Thanks 👍
they have wasted a beautifull engine by making it work and sound likes 2 cylinders
true
Great video Schaff thanks - it's funny in the way bike accelerated at the top of the revs, that it sounded as if it had a powerband, almost like a huge two-stroke! I agree, an odd choice of tuning for an ADV. I imagine version 2.0 of the bike will perform better at low revs in a year or two...
It has quite nice smooth torque curve which grows with revs. You can find out videos with dynos of the new Tiger 1200 already.
The thing is though that competitors do have more torque at lower revs, which is actually where riders spend their time mostly.
exactly
@@Schaaf It's funny that I've just bought a Kawi Versys 300 that has the same power delivery at 1:4 scale 😂
we should not spend that much time in very low revs for saving gas or enjoying the low rumble, that is bad for engines and this bike is way better staying above 4500 rpm on everyday use. I stopped riding in 5th and staying in 4 or even 3 on urban riding, it is an improvement@@vvevvevvvv
@@TriumphAventura I'm not doing that
You do a lot of extra down shifting!
😮
Sensacional essa moto é muito bruta❤🔥🔥
obrigado
Kann dem zu 100% zustimmen!
Hatte sie zwei Tage und habe festgestellt das mir das Motorrad garnicht passt. Motor fährt sich sehr sportlich und braucht Touren und der Rest vom Motorrad kommt dann nicht mit hinterher und dann hört es auf Spaß zu machen. Die Fußrasten haben mir auch zu früh geschliffen.
Habe leider kein Vergleich zu anderen großen Tourer Bikes.
ich kann dir versichern, die anderen Tourer machen es besser ;)
Ouch! Was considering an upgrade, but I think I’ll stick with my 900 Rally Pro, and find a Thruxton RS to keep it company in the garage 🤔🏴
the 900 Tigers are awesome indeed, I'd stick with that too
Appreciate the honest review, I do agree it's a mixed bag and had hoped it would be a lot better.
Is that the top of the Jaufenpass? I made it there in June from Scotland, what a road
yes indeed!
Congratulations on a great video. Highly disagree with your opinions but its always nice to see others view once i have formatted mine. I think you failed to comprehend the whole philosophy of this bike as well as Triumph's. Every model has its own market and its unfair to burry it just because you don't fall into it. Just for the record i liked this video and subscribed to your channel.
I think I comprehend the philosophy quite well. It's a travel bike. Just like Triumph communicates. Its shortcomings are all negatively impacting it's travel performance. But thanks and much respect for stating your opinion in a respectful manner.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to find my knees up against the annoying plastic triangles.
thank you!!!
Just had a test drive; suspensions was very nice, but the vibrations were very very noticeable. To much for my liking. The most annoying bit is that the vibrations are right between 3K-5.5K RPM. RPM range where I normally cruise in.
Drive back after an 20 minute test drive. Unfortunately not for me.
Was a real bummer because I absolutely love the design and the rest of the bike.
Great video. Have you experienced any of the stalling issues?
yup. Another thing I forgot to mention. Seriously, this bike has so many flaws lol
that's why the people love (hate) BIKERS
Thanks for the honest review! Did you film your summer trip in Ireland on the GS?
Most definitely! I'm just too busy with my dayjob to work on the videos. But hopefully later this year I'll be able to start editing
Ive been on this bike and when it accelarates it hits you like a bloody wall
It sure does and still the GS, Multistrada, and Super Adventure accelerate even faster
Nice video again. Thanks. Are you planning to ride Yamaha Super Tenere XTZ 1200 as a big adventure bike?
Unfortunately not th-cam.com/video/A_lVU5NGIUY/w-d-xo.html
Hello Schaaf, should I replace my 1290 SAS for
this monster …? I know you love the KTM 😉..!!
Greetings from the Netherlands
Hope you’ll recover quickly 💪
Hey man why aren’t you rev matching while downshifting?
Well that gsxs gt sure looks handsome
soon on the channel too!
schöner satter dumpfer Sound - ist somit " Hoffähig " ;-)
danke!
SCHAAF FOR KANZLER!
Wieder einen Österreicher in Deutschland, warum nicht
Schaaf for Captain Universe! Grüsse aus Bulgarien.
hahahaha
Some video of tracer 9 gt?
Soon!
@@Schaaf 🥳🥳🥳
Would you say this would be a good bike for someone who rides like you but also will do technical off-road riding?
Since I haven't tried it Offroad too much I can't really tell. But I'd always choose something lighter for Offroad anyway.
You have a skill that most other motorcycle reviewers lack, Honesty. Thank you.
thanks a lot, much appreciated
Nice road. Where was that?
In terms of your review, I have to ask myself just how objective it really was? I‘ve seen dozens of reviews of the Tiger 1200 (in all formats), and none were as negative as yours. I‘ve ridden the GT Pro and had no problems with vibrations (nor on the 850 Sport which I currently own). Are you sure you don‘t have some anti-Triumph axe to grind, because many reviews I‘ve seen rate this way above the GS and other major competitors.
I'm actually a big Triumph Fan. It's one of my favourite brands. But since I don't collaborate with any of the manufacturers my reviews are honest.
Is the T-Plane rougher/more vibe-y than a traditional triple crank? I've been wondering about that, but I haven't heard anyone say anything one way or the other (though I gather it's not that big a difference either way, or people would be talking about it).
It is rougher and vibey
@@vvevvevvvv thank you!
so it makes zero sense they went that direction lol
A very interesting comparison - how does an adventure bike accelerate out of the hairpin curve? Does anyone count tenths of a second on a motorcycle trip? Are motorcycle tours only on twisty roads in the beautiful Italian Alps? If so, then this comparison is for a very narrow group...
I was the owner of a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Yes, this bike has flaws, but not so much in the physical side as in other things: the dashboard is taken from the wrong motorcycle. The dashboard is definitely not that of an adventure bike!
Nobody counts tenth of a seconds on a mountain road. What counts is the feeling of satisfaction. Having something like a giant turbo lag on a big bike is the opposite of satisfying. While GS, KTM, and Multi V4 simply put the hammer down in the bottom of the rev range and that feels wonderful and satisfying.
@@Schaaf Hi, yes I understand you as I used to own a big Tiger and in July I rode dozens of mountain passes in northern Italy, including Stelvio. You are a very experienced rider and the videos you post are great but one sided. Very one-sided for evaluating the characteristics of a motorcycle. Twisty roads, full throttle, braking down. That is all, no more! For every type of motorcycle...
Big Tiger was "fine-tuned" by Ricky Carmichael. Motocross rider. Apparently the bike was tuned more for offroad. If the fine-tuning had been done by Valentino Rossi, maybe the cornering acceleration parameters on mountain roads would be better and the offroad setup would be worse.
What is absolutely certain - no motorcycle can be made perfect for all different riding modes.
PS Triumph could tune their T1200's sprint acceleration at low revs. In the forest it is now very good, on mountain roads, in hairpins it is bad!
Exhaust?
Not sure if you’ve ridden both. But how do you like this T-plane triple compared to the standard firing version? Any preferences either way?
A long time ago he reviewed the tiger 900s. To summarize, the sound of the old ones was better but the performance of the new ones significantly improved. Performance for character, it seems.
For my opinion, these sound like fast revving twins, which triumph does well with it's modern classic bikes. I suppose that's their goal unless you pickup their sporty triples.
@@JelloThatsMellow cool. I personally prefer the sound of the T plane triple. Am mostly curious of how the performance feels side by side. I’m told you gain more low end and mid range grunt. But loose some power at the top of the rpms
Passo giovo 😍😍😍😍
yesss!
TESTED ONE> low end power doesn't hold a candle to the BMW boxer, 1200 or 1250 no matter what. Mid range is not so fun either. High rev power is there but who cares about it on a bike like this. For the money i can get a BMW 1250RT loaded with extras which works way better and is WAY more balanced and refined. Missed opportunity by Triumph.
yep. I 100% agree.
Can you try the new Honda CBR1000 Fireblade.
th-cam.com/video/A_lVU5NGIUY/w-d-xo.html
Just tested GT Pro. Same thoughts mate, same thoughts...
:)
Was about to ask: should i trade in my Multi V4s for this, but for some reason it seems unnecessary. 😅👍
Never!!!
Wenn man was über die Fahrbarkeit eines Bikes wissen will, ist man bei Schaaf immer richtig... kenne niemanden sonst der eine Maschine so gut im Griff hat und alles rausholt auf jedem Meter. Macht immer Laune zuzusehen.
Die Tiger fällt aus wegen der Vibrationen. Ein Aspekt, den ich nicht ignorieren kann. Ein schönes Bike, aber sinnlos für mich. Wird wohl eine Africa Twin als Schalter werden.
Vielen Dank! Mit einer Africa Twin ist man immer gut bedient :)
Hello great movie very nice mounted ;)
thanks
From what I heard, it's quite un-Triumph-ish to make those flaws. I've never seen it irl and so I cannot fully criticize it.
I hope you're making a video about your Ireland trip! :D
Definitely! Hopefully I can start working on the Ireland video in something like a month from now :)
@@Schaaf Take your time, no rush!
Some people like soft "real world" suspension. That's why I bought a SAR over a SAS - good quality manual suspension that I can set up how I like it (supple with good damping) - I can ride on any surface not even worrying about what's under me - it just grips. So what it it moves a bit when I'm being aggressive - a price worth paying for supreme comfort. I can still scrape the pegs - does doing the same feeling every ridge and bump in the road make it faster? No.
I like quality suspension. The SAR uses high class suspension parts. The Tiger doesn't. It's not about soft or hard. It's about damping characteristics
@@Schaaf Which is odd because Triumph usually get damping just right (for road bike use.) Looks like they dropped the ball on this one!
And the vibrations? I'm a Triumph fan boy but can't understand these Tplane nonsense that Triumph has chosen for both tiger 900 and 1200
Me too. Sounds nice though. But vibrations at around 130kph on Tiger 900 are quite noticeable. And not pleasant
Geezus, I forgot about those!!! They are insanely bad. At Autobahn speed (130kph) they are almost impossible to bear
It probably comes down to the way these engines are balanced.
On an even-firing triple, you normally have residual external couples of the 1st and 2nd order, with the 1st order rocking moment being equal in the yaw and pitch directions, and the 2nd moment being strictly in the pitch direction. Normally the primary moment is taken care of by a counter-rotating balance shaft, but the secondary couple is left unchecked. This isn't too big of a deal.
However, with the 90° crank arrangement Triumph are now using, the engine's 1st-order vibrations consist of both a 1st order force AND couple. Triumph of course have incorporated a balance shaft to eliminate these, but now the engine wants to roll side-to-side (front-to-back relative to the bike itself). There is also a 2nd order external force.
They changed the engine configuration to be better offroad. The last Gen Tiger engines were smooth for onroad touring, but were vague offroad. The last gen Tiger wasnt even taken seriously offroad. This new engine was made to give you a ton of feedback and feel offroad, and its done its job well. Everyone says amazing things about this bike offroad, and it should, because they partnered with a motocross champion to help build the bike. An ADV needs to be able to handle offroad and onroad. An ADV that can only do onroad touring is just a sport touring bike, not a true ADV
@@NicePantsLance That's why I like the Tenere 700 also, even though it can't touch the Tiger 1200's power.
Hallo Schaaf, der Motor hört sich beim dahin gleiten an wie eine Nähmaschine. Man hört kaum den Motor selbst. Oder täuscht das durch das Microphone? Beim beschleunigen hört es sich geil an! Aber mit einer Reisemaschine ist man ja meistens am cruisen! Da würde mich das Nageln glaube ich stören. Kannst Du meinen Eindruck bestätigen? LG.
Servus Guido! In echt hört sich das Motorrad schon genau so an, aber es kommen dann noch Windgeräusche dazu und der Klang ist dann bei weitem nicht mehr so stark wahrnehmbar. Ich empfand in als angenehm und unauffällig
@@Schaaf vielen Dank für dein Feedback! Hat mir sehr geholfen! Möchte mir die Rally Pro zulegen. Einige Updates sollen wohl auch das Problem mit dem Lastwechsel im Kardan weitestgehend behoben haben. Der Leistungsnachteil gegenüber der Konkurrenz ist für mich nicht so schlimm. Ich liebe dafür die Möglichkeit schaltfaul fahren zu können! Ich weiß, die BMW kann das auch! Ich möchte aber Kardan, keine BMW und möglichst 21 Zoll vorne. Da kommt man an den Tiger nicht vorbei! Möchte halt nur keine Rappelkiste! Das würde mich auf Touren dann doch nerven! LG.
Wow that was a shocker. Triumph usually spends a lot of time and effort getting their bikes right. But clearly, in an effort to outdo the GS, they failed to capture the true essence of their bike. What a shame
well said
I put barkbusters on my 900 and all vibrations gone!
The 900 doesn't suffer from severe vibrations
I really wouldn’t want a bike after you’d finished with it
Nothing wrong with revving a warm engine.
Must’ve been something wrong with that Tiger 1200 because I didn’t find the vibrations that bad. I’ve driven both the GS 1250 and Tiger 1200 and in my opinion, the Tiger wins my heart. The GS is not inspiring at all, it’s a tool and really lacks soul. It’s a brilliant tool, but it doesn’t speak to me. Vibrates like crazy under acceleration that my vision even got blurry and has a very diesel like power curve.. Plenty down low, dead at the top.. It was a 2023 model.. The Tiger on the other hand was much more dramatic, it had a personality and was much more fun to ride.. Plus I felt it overall vibrated less than the GS 1250.. I don’t own either of them but I really hope the GS 1300 changes my opinion.. But I won’t disagree the fact that the GS is a working horse.
Everybody's different. For me the Tigers high frequency vibrations were unbearable and the low torque in the low revs absolutely ridiculous for a 150hp bike. And I'd never ever call a boxer engine lacking in character.
@@Schaaf Well nobody should listen to either me or you and build themselves their own opinions.. I felt the boxer engine extremely uninspiring, boring and bland.. Sounds horrible.. Felt the Tiger had much more personality and was much more entertaining.. I enjoyed my 2 hours on the Tiger and the only thing left I can give the GS is balance.. Nothing is easier to drive than a GS
Wait wait wait wait WAIT!! They're using a 90° crank engine in the 1200 now?!
:/
Its a T-plane crank configuration. First time being used in a motorcycle engine
@@Schaaf The problems you mentioned with low-end torque may have to do with the engine having a very short stroke-to-bore ratio (90mm bore by 60.7mm stroke). It's built almost like a race engine. And it's harder to get good low-end torque as you decrease the stroke-to-bore ratio.
Ride safe
Thanks