Picking up my rally pro today! Build Quality not the same anymore on the GS. Winter riding kills the engine coatings. Needs a replacement model. Good shootout with both bikes!👍
Let’s start the Daytona boots. Excellent choice! Brilliant take aways. BMW knows the writing has been on the wall. They are no slouches. Competition’s offerings have made it clear what customer)# are wanting. It should take the guess-work out as to what it will take for BMW to keep the market share. They should know how to achieve that. I have a hunch, weight reduction, TFT screen with integrated GPS, rider blind-spot indicators, radar adaptive cruise, lean sensing LED lighting and backlit handlebar switches could be on the new Gen GS, or available as options. We’ll see in 23.
@@wglennhowells it will replace my lovely 900 rally pro after 2 years and half and 22000km love this bike but I need to replace it since it getting old. I've tried the 1300gs and there no comparison. By far the tiger is better. Tiger has more caracter and personality. Enjoy your bike and ride safe bro
I currently own a GS. I recently rode the GT and Rally Pro back to back, I preferred the GT but loved the look of the rally Pro. The Tiger is a great bike to ride and the quick shifter is way better than the GS. For me what let's the Tiger down is the cockpit, the TFT is a real let down, the interface clunky with horrible switchgear. The welding on the Triumph headers is terrible and why do they insist on fitting cheap plastic brake and clutch reservoirs. That said the Triumph is a great bike, in many ways better than the GS. It feels different to the GS and that's a good thing. Tempted yes, will I buy it? not with a new GS coming
I test rode the Tiger 1200 GT Pro at the weekend, lovely bike but could not live with the vibration felt in the foot pegs. Was only out for 40 minutes and returned back to the dealer. Let's see how I get on with the GS this weekend!
I've ridden both and still stick to the GS. Can't see advantages for the Tiger in smoother transmission and I still feel better cornering with the GS, same I've a better feeling for the engine. But that's my personal view.
You mention the higher quality components on the Triumph....those plastic clutch and brake master cylinder tanks waving in the wind look a bit cheap to me!
@@jesseonamotorcycle I love it. The seat height is no joke and it’s so new that no one has after market accessories for it. Hell, insurance didn’t even have a policy defined for it. But overall, I’ve enjoyed it very much.
My ONLY complaint about my 2020 Tiger 1200 is the stupid joystick. And the new ones are much lighter with more power. Triumph have caught BMW, but BMW have their own updates coming soon.
Nitpicking between mega machines costing well over 15k euros. I'd go for the Triumph because it means not having to think about drive shaft spline maintenance.
Interesting. I’ve just swapped the old Tiger 1200 XRT (2019) for a GS. I absolutely love the GS compared to the old Tiger and I think its a keeper. Let’s see how the new Tiger sells 🤔
@@leocomans9311 yes yes, and that is why right now the are pending pattern to release motorbike few months later, albo created BMW Craddle in Q4 2021 ;) G
6:45 The pilots forget that the Gs comes with a front /back combi brake. In all the 3 yrs I have owned the Gs never once did I touch the back brake. And quick shifter down shift is super slick when approaching corners. This gives you enough time to lean in to take the corner. And yes there is a BMW factory in Thailand too. The tiger has come a long way from its single sided swing arm days. But nothing can match the RSA of the BMW especially when you want to overland
I am looking to eventually replace my GS1250 and tried the Tiger 1200 GT Pro but did NOT like it at all.... The Rally Pro was alot better but better than the GS? Hmmm, don't think so but not sure.. Will have to do alot more serious testing first. But so far i have'nt found anything as good as the BMW..
Finally someone admitted that the 1250 GS is no longer the untouchable king of the hill. The world has changed. I am sure the new GS will punch hard to regain the position but my opinion is Multistrada V4S took the leadership, Tiger 1200 comes second and GS is the following them.
Ducati or any other brand wouldn’t know what to shoot for unless they had the BMW GS/GSA having set the performance bar. This is why the benchmark. They’ll all be scrambling once again in 23. When the GS gets another makeover.
@@roadglide Maybe, we'll see. I've had 5 big GS / GSA's, both 1200 and 1250. Now i have a Multi v4s. The GS probably is better as a complete package, but the Multi is better in some matters. Suspension, handling, quickshifter are some examples. Bmw need to to step it up, especially with the suspension and quickshifter.
BMW quality control sucks. I own a F850GS, 40 year edition, full optionals. It’s a wonderful motorbike and the one I like the most. But I had to take it to BMW Motorrad service 5 times in less than a year: engine issues that BMW refuses to acknowledge (horrible noise as of a blender running beyond its admissible rpm). The straw that broke the camel’s back: I took it in for a service check as noise of bad assembled/unscrewed parts was coming from the front end of the motorbike. BMW official dealer workshop didn’t even checked it in, they just took a 3 min ride and gave it back to me without even issuing a working order certifying the inspection “the motorbike is fine”. Under warranty. When back home I went to a multi brand specialized workshop (Ducati, BMW…). After 2 meters! They told me that the nut of the upper plate that links handlebar and suspensions was completely loose and this could have caused immense risk to my safety while riding. I called BMW HQ and told them to immediately come pick up my motorbike and replace it with a new one. They’re now “investigating”….if they won’t replace the motorbike, I’ll leave it at their workshop for sale and will never, ever buy another BMW motorbike (it’s my second). Just a TOXIC experience for me. I really like the Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, but I suspect that the resale value won’t hold as well as BMW 1250 GS. Thanks for the review.
Die Triumph ist sicher nicht schlecht. Wir sind aber heuer von der Triumph auf BMW umgestiegen. Hauptgrund: Händlernetz Sonstige Gründe: Servicekosten & Falllinie
I have had a few beers while watching this and the german to english is killing me. Looks like they got a dictionary and threw words at the screen. Keen to buy either of these bikes, but this video confused a asimple beer drinking Aussie
The GS looks like a tractor and the Triumph is slim and nice and it have much cheaper parts too the BMW parts is so expensive that is almost must be a joke!
GS always have repair problems . For egzample start motor and if start motor broken than it broke battery . İf batttery broke ABS and other systems doesnt work and all problems comes together and every person thinking those problems are chronichal problems with GS .
GS all the way for me , I find the triumph, all thow a good bike vibey the TFT. Is imo terrible, and it’s made in Thailand, (why not Britain ) ? Come on Triumph get a grip !
I do not understand why there is such an avoidance of criticism of the GS. It is a well sorted barge with nothing like the manoeuvrability of the KTM, Ducati and now the Triumph. The BMW clutch is ok but the quick shifter is awful, and that is how most riders change gear. Noise. Really guys, noise is very bad for your hearing. The BMW makes way too much from the engine and you cannot escape it. Theft: they are the most stolen motorcycles. Mine was stolen to order, from my forecourt, in broad daylight, with my daughter assaulted by the three Asian perps who broke down my 4 metre high gate. Never again for me.
In January I attended EICMA in Milan and I had the pleasure of talking at length with a manager of Triumph Italy who told me that the new tiger1200 would be made in Europe. After the test ride more than a month ago, one of the oldest Italian magazines called Motociclismo also wrote that the new tiger1200 will be produced in England. Given the price increases of the latest model, I can believe it.
I had the MY 2016/17 and MY 2020 Desert edition models. If it is better than the GS, the sales figures will say it, but those who sell the most do not always have the best product. the perfect bike does not exist, there is only the one best suited to the uses of individual users.
Finally someone admitted that the 1250 GS is no longer the untouchable king of the hill. The world has changed. I am sure the new GS will punch hard to regain the position but my opinion is Multistrada V4S took the leadership, Tiger 1200 comes second and GS is following them.
This is a fantastic summary. Us English viewers appreciate the video.
thank you!
Absolutely agree. 💯
It's all about choice, and now we have so many great ADV bikes to choose from. Thanks for the concise report.
Picking up my rally pro today! Build Quality not the same anymore on the GS. Winter riding kills the engine coatings. Needs a replacement model. Good shootout with both bikes!👍
Let’s start the Daytona boots. Excellent choice! Brilliant take aways. BMW knows the writing has been on the wall. They are no slouches. Competition’s offerings have made it clear what customer)# are wanting. It should take the guess-work out as to what it will take for BMW to keep the market share. They should know how to achieve that. I have a hunch, weight reduction, TFT screen with integrated GPS, rider blind-spot indicators, radar adaptive cruise, lean sensing LED lighting and backlit handlebar switches could be on the new Gen GS, or available as options. We’ll see in 23.
Thank you for doing this comparison in English. Well done!!!
thank you
Pick up my new 1200 GTpro this weekend, can't wait!
Correction it’s a 1200 GT Explorer
@wglennhowells I'll pick up my 1200 gt explorer this Saturday and I understand your feeling 😅
@@htanger I absolutely love mine. Have never been happier with a bike.
@@wglennhowells it will replace my lovely 900 rally pro after 2 years and half and 22000km love this bike but I need to replace it since it getting old. I've tried the 1300gs and there no comparison. By far the tiger is better. Tiger has more caracter and personality. Enjoy your bike and ride safe bro
I currently own a GS. I recently rode the GT and Rally Pro back to back, I preferred the GT but loved the look of the rally Pro. The Tiger is a great bike to ride and the quick shifter is way better than the GS. For me what let's the Tiger down is the cockpit, the TFT is a real let down, the interface clunky with horrible switchgear. The welding on the Triumph headers is terrible and why do they insist on fitting cheap plastic brake and clutch reservoirs. That said the Triumph is a great bike, in many ways better than the GS. It feels different to the GS and that's a good thing. Tempted yes, will I buy it? not with a new GS coming
I test rode the Tiger 1200 GT Pro at the weekend, lovely bike but could not live with the vibration felt in the foot pegs. Was only out for 40 minutes and returned back to the dealer. Let's see how I get on with the GS this weekend!
How do you like the GS?🎉
I've ridden both and still stick to the GS. Can't see advantages for the Tiger in smoother transmission and I still feel better cornering with the GS, same I've a better feeling for the engine. But that's my personal view.
That’s the brilliance of the Dynamic Esa and it’s cornering Abs . It’s a very forgiving bike
You mention the higher quality components on the Triumph....those plastic clutch and brake master cylinder tanks waving in the wind look a bit cheap to me!
Great review. Thank you. I hope to pick up my Tiger 1200 today!
Did you buy a tiger Todd ?
@@jesseonamotorcycle yes. I did. I’ve put about 2500 miles on it so far.
@@toddswain7459 how do you like it ?
@@jesseonamotorcycle I love it. The seat height is no joke and it’s so new that no one has after market accessories for it. Hell, insurance didn’t even have a policy defined for it. But overall, I’ve enjoyed it very much.
@@toddswain7459 awesome good to know thanks
Excellent thorough review, thanks!
thank you
Quite frankly I’m just mesmerized by the natural beauty in these shots…
My ONLY complaint about my 2020 Tiger 1200 is the stupid joystick. And the new ones are much lighter with more power. Triumph have caught BMW, but BMW have their own updates coming soon.
Nitpicking between mega machines costing well over 15k euros. I'd go for the Triumph because it means not having to think about drive shaft spline maintenance.
Great comparison, thank you for uploading in English 👍
Interesting. I’ve just swapped the old Tiger 1200 XRT (2019) for a GS. I absolutely love the GS compared to the old Tiger and I think its a keeper. Let’s see how the new Tiger sells 🤔
You should try the new Tiger 1200 before you buy the GS. It is really different compared to an older version.
Still very happy with my R1250GSA. In my opinion the new Triumph should be compared with the new BMW R1300GS who is expected later this year
R1300gs will be ready on 2024 ;)
@@asuss28122 no, is expected later this year in Europe.
@@leocomans9311 yes yes, and that is why right now the are pending pattern to release motorbike few months later, albo created BMW Craddle in Q4 2021 ;)
G
6:45 The pilots forget that the Gs comes with a front /back combi brake. In all the 3 yrs I have owned the Gs never once did I touch the back brake. And quick shifter down shift is super slick when approaching corners. This gives you enough time to lean in to take the corner. And yes there is a BMW factory in Thailand too. The tiger has come a long way from its single sided swing arm days. But nothing can match the RSA of the BMW especially when you want to overland
And so does Ducati since 2015 and Triumph also have combined braking system
Triumph has linked brakes.
@@Fatcatztravel1250 And Brembo Stylema much better than the GS
Great comparison. Thank you
you are welcome
Are you guys planning on testing the Harley PanAmerica? just curious
That slow motion crash looked very painful…is the rider ok?
Brilliant, informative review.
What is the story with the crash at the beginning? Man, that looked brutal.
the story is: the man in the saddle (my co worker) hat too much fun riding on the gravel road.
@@nilsmuller3190 is he OK?
Very interesting. My concern is very few dealers in SA for theTriumph (3). Otherwise i prefer its styling to the GS.
Excellent review. Thanks.
thank you for your feedback
The seat on the Triumph is way better than the BMW's I've ridden both bike's a lot and prefer the Tiger 😊 Its just so much more fun to ride.
I am looking to eventually replace my GS1250 and tried the Tiger 1200 GT Pro but did NOT like it at all.... The Rally Pro was alot better but better than the GS? Hmmm, don't think so but not sure.. Will have to do alot more serious testing first.
But so far i have'nt found anything as good as the BMW..
Finally someone admitted that the 1250 GS is no longer the untouchable king of the hill. The world has changed. I am sure the new GS will punch hard to regain the position but my opinion is Multistrada V4S took the leadership, Tiger 1200 comes second and GS is the following them.
Great video, thanks!
you are welcome
Wow, howcan we understand this? Reading text without a single break!
Where do we find these nice roads.??
Bikes magazine said that the gs has more comfortable and softer suspension
Great comparison.. love the crash
The BMW just looks better (the BMW in the US replaced all the BMW Hayes brakes with the BREMBO).
Ducati Multi v4s won the Alpenmasters 2021.
So, why is the gs still called the benchmark?
Because of sales figures?
Because the Ducati doesn't leave the shop floor.
@@byever1 it's their best selling model, by far.
But anyway: so, the best car in the world is the best selling one?
Ducati or any other brand wouldn’t know what to shoot for unless they had the BMW GS/GSA having set the performance bar. This is why the benchmark. They’ll all be scrambling once again in 23. When the GS gets another makeover.
@@byever1
😂
@@roadglide Maybe, we'll see.
I've had 5 big GS / GSA's, both 1200 and 1250.
Now i have a Multi v4s.
The GS probably is better as a complete package, but the Multi is better in some matters. Suspension, handling, quickshifter are some examples.
Bmw need to to step it up, especially with the suspension and quickshifter.
The crash was quite bad😖, I hope the rider was OK…
some injuries, but at the end he was lucky
@@nilsmuller3190 dir he brake his lag (it was lok for me like that)?
BMW quality control sucks. I own a F850GS, 40 year edition, full optionals. It’s a wonderful motorbike and the one I like the most. But I had to take it to BMW Motorrad service 5 times in less than a year: engine issues that BMW refuses to acknowledge (horrible noise as of a blender running beyond its admissible rpm). The straw that broke the camel’s back: I took it in for a service check as noise of bad assembled/unscrewed parts was coming from the front end of the motorbike. BMW official dealer workshop didn’t even checked it in, they just took a 3 min ride and gave it back to me without even issuing a working order certifying the inspection “the motorbike is fine”. Under warranty. When back home I went to a multi brand specialized workshop (Ducati, BMW…). After 2 meters! They told me that the nut of the upper plate that links handlebar and suspensions was completely loose and this could have caused immense risk to my safety while riding. I called BMW HQ and told them to immediately come pick up my motorbike and replace it with a new one. They’re now “investigating”….if they won’t replace the motorbike, I’ll leave it at their workshop for sale and will never, ever buy another BMW motorbike (it’s my second). Just a TOXIC experience for me. I really like the Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, but I suspect that the resale value won’t hold as well as BMW 1250 GS. Thanks for the review.
I enjoyed this video 😊
Tiger the best motorcycle
Get used to the slimmed down versions, BMW will follow in 23. Hope they’ve learned something and come out swinging.
What about fuel economy...
Die Triumph ist sicher nicht schlecht. Wir sind aber heuer von der Triumph auf BMW umgestiegen. Hauptgrund: Händlernetz
Sonstige Gründe: Servicekosten & Falllinie
I believe Triumph's service costs are much more acceptable than the BMW.
@@rynmohamed4613 Triumph cost double
Had a 2007 BMW1200GS. BEST BIKE EVER
and the new ones are BETTER
I have had a few beers while watching this and the german to english is killing me. Looks like they got a dictionary and threw words at the screen. Keen to buy either of these bikes, but this video confused a asimple beer drinking Aussie
The GS looks like a tractor and the Triumph is slim and nice and it have much cheaper parts too the BMW parts is so expensive that is almost must be a joke!
GS always have repair problems . For egzample start motor and if start motor broken than it broke battery . İf batttery broke ABS and other systems doesnt work and all problems comes together and every person thinking those problems are chronichal problems with GS .
I'm sticking with my beautiful bmw tractor! Couldn't live with looking at a piss pot on the handlebars anyway.
Pillion comparisons?!!
GS all the way for me , I find the triumph, all thow a good bike vibey the TFT. Is imo terrible, and it’s made in Thailand, (why not Britain ) ? Come on Triumph get a grip !
0:25 What the......
Damnnn... Is he alive? hehe.
I do not understand why there is such an avoidance of criticism of the GS.
It is a well sorted barge with nothing like the manoeuvrability of the KTM, Ducati and now the Triumph.
The BMW clutch is ok but the quick shifter is awful, and that is how most riders change gear.
Noise. Really guys, noise is very bad for your hearing. The BMW makes way too much from the engine and you cannot escape it.
Theft: they are the most stolen motorcycles. Mine was stolen to order, from my forecourt, in broad daylight, with my daughter assaulted by the three Asian perps who broke down my 4 metre high gate.
Never again for me.
You're blaming the GS for getting stolen?
Thanks for the English review. Take some breathing breaks. It feels as if you've read one long paragraph with no sections and punctuation. Thanks.
How’s your German?
@@mbal4052 I don't speak German
English is terrible, why so much information without taking a brake. And a little bit slower would be perfect,thank you.
WTF this accident
A tribute band will only ever be that! Clown bikes! 19k for a Triumph🤣🤣🤣
dont be a mug get the beemer
don't be tigger get a tiger
Buy a v strom ,and leave €12000 in the bank for travelling , or paying for tanks of petrol ⛽ 🤔 😀
what if you want to spend that 12000$?
👍👍✌️
The review is very weak , PRO Tiger all the way .Aluminium i frame parts and production in Thailand give me bad taste what Triumph do
BMW also build in Thailand.
@@Fatcatztravel1250 I bet he doesn't know that his BMW are also from Thailand, haha
🤣🤣🤣🤣: 30
Come on brother, what the fxxx rider😆😆😆😆
Fail freestlye
I kinda hate this review
Mistaken! The tiger 1200 is made in England...it would be' correct to give the right info, especially from a trade magazine.
Current Tiger 1200’s are made in Thailand. From 2023 all European models will be made in England.
@@whiskywhippet Both naked bikes, 1200 & 765 the same.
I believe the outgoing Tiger 1200 was made in the UK, my 2018 model certainly was.
In January I attended EICMA in Milan and I had the pleasure of talking at length with a manager of Triumph Italy who told me that the new tiger1200 would be made in Europe. After the test ride more than a month ago, one of the oldest Italian magazines called Motociclismo also wrote that the new tiger1200 will be produced in England. Given the price increases of the latest model, I can believe it.
I had the MY 2016/17 and MY 2020 Desert edition models. If it is better than the GS, the sales figures will say it, but those who sell the most do not always have the best product. the perfect bike does not exist, there is only the one best suited to the uses of individual users.
God this review is so boring
So was your mum 😉
Finally someone admitted that the 1250 GS is no longer the untouchable king of the hill. The world has changed. I am sure the new GS will punch hard to regain the position but my opinion is Multistrada V4S took the leadership, Tiger 1200 comes second and GS is following them.