Monster S2000 Tested! - The Slip Angle Track Special
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2022
- The day has finally come and today we test Quinn's AP1 S2000 with the new Ballade Sports engine and suspension setup!
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Project AP1 Honda S2000
Engine:
F20C with original 127k mile bottom end
Head Shaved .015"
Spoon Sports .012" Thinner Headgasket
Compression ~11.8:1
Ballade Sports Camshafts
Ballade Sports Adjustable Timing Gear
Supertech Dual Valvesprings
Supertech Titanium Retainers
Fluidamper Light Weight Crank Pulley / Harmonic Balancer
T1R Light Weight Water Pump and Alternator Pulleys
Ballade Sports 4-2-1 Exhaust Manifold (old style)
T1R 70mm Resonated Test Pipe
Ballade Sports ASM Replica 70mm Exhaust
J’s Racing Carbon Fiber Intake
Skunk 2 70mm Throttle Body
Port Matched Intake Manifold
Haltech Platinum Pro ECU
238 whp and 158 lb/ft on a DynoJet
~2600 lbs w/factory radio, A/C and fuel
Cooling:
Koyo Radiator
Koyo Radiator Hoses
Drivetrain:
Fidanza 7 lb Flywheel
OEM Honda Pressure Plate and Clutch Disk
Suspension:
Ballade Sports Coilovers
Ballade Sports Spherical Bushings
Ballade Sports Extended Rear Balljoints
Ballade Sport Front Camber Kit
Eibach Front Sway Bar
Whiteline Sway Bar Endlinks
Blox Drive Shaft Spacers
Megan Rear Toe Links
-3.2′ Camber Front
-2.3′ Camber Rear
1/16′ toe in Front
1/8′ toe in Rear
Caster wherever we wound up
Wheels and Tires:
Slip Angle Apex Star Forged Wheels
17×8.5 +50 Front and Rear (Stock S2000n Body Fitment)
16.8 lbs each
Advan Neova AD08R Tires 235/40/17
Brakes:
Ballade Sports Mono Block Calipers
Hawk HP+ NSX Brake Pads
Stainless Braided Brake Lines
Exterior:
Amuse R1 Front Bumper
Forbidden Mugen Style Double Sided Carbon Fiber hardtop
Forbidden Billet Rear Hardtop Latches
Ballade Sports Aluminum Front Hardtop Latches
Seibon Carbon Fiber Hood
OEM Rear Trunk Spoiler
AP2 Style Tail Lights
Heel-Toe Automotive Carbon Rear Bumper Cap
Interior:
Personal Neo Grinta 350mm Wheel Suede with Green Stitching
Personal Green Horn Button
MD Interiors Custom Door Panel Inserts: Alcantara, Nappa Leather
MD Interiors Custom Shift Boot w/Green Stitching
MD Interiors Custom Armrest w/Green Stitching
NRG Version 2 Quick Release
NRG Short Steering Wheel Hub
NRG SRS Resistor
Maven Performance Stainless Shift Knob
Recaro SR3 Seats
Planted Seat Bases
Modified Recaro Sliders
Weight Reduction:
Power Soft Top Assembly Deleted
Cruise Control Deleted
5 lb Shorai Lithium Battery
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Designed in the 90’s, the S2K is STILL today’s standard for what a driver’s car is and podium track weapon.
Let that sink in.
Agreed!
Finally! Best video in Slip Angle history, hands down. Passion, editing, sound, everything coming together perfectly. The montage at the end, the focus tracking blew me away, stunning.
Thank you Dave!
Man,i'm getting goosebumbs.
You said it all mate.That's the definition of the "S2000".The video is just epic.It was like i was driving....
And everything you said is so accurate!The feeling you get from a s2000 when you push it to the limit harder and harder is really difficult to describe!
And a healthy F20 is the king of all i4 n/a motors hands down.And not only.....The way that thing revs to 9000++ rpm,so easy,so fast,so instant reminds of a racing engine made for hill climbing or track days.In co-work with that wonderful 2seater opentop chassis is just an affordable dream to drive and making expensive new era sport cars looking like "safe toys".
Thank you! I absolutely agree!
This channel will always be my favorite for racing content, thank you Quinn and Matt for putting in the time and hard work to make this amazing content outside of your busy lives 🙏🏽
Our pleasure! Thank you for the kind words!
I think you officially ruined my plans for building my NC Miata into an S2K rival. Got to track my S2K this past year and I agree I don't think the Miata will ever satisfy like the real thing. Great Video. You guys have such an underrated channel, hope you guys continue to produce content with the car.
An F22C into an NC might be a winning combo ;)
I've said it to nearly everyone I've met. The S2000 is one of the best sports cars money can buy at any price point. I had a fully modded AP1 quite a few years ago, full ASM kit all the ballade BS and then some. I made 242 WHP and that was more than enough for that car. I now own a NA miata built for track/street and all the miata community wants to think it's gods gift to man kind. But really they are pieces of shit through and through. You can see where all the corners were cut in development. After I owned the S2000 every car I get in is a disappointment on track comparably. I've owned nearly every JDM car under the sun and a bunch of euros, and the S2K hands down will always be my #1 memory. The on track experience is just incredible. It just communicates so well! If I wasn't a single mid 30's home owner in expensive California I'd still have that S2K. Sadly... 3 months after I sold it with the intent to buy it back "sold to a personal friend" they parted it out and blew 2nd gear.... I can never retrace those steps. If I ever got another it would be like chasing an old dream that doesn't exist anymore. RIP S2K will always remember you being the champion that you were!
I laughed and cried while reading that 🤙👊😂
"Old dream that doesn't exists anymore " put into words for the first time after many years my thinking about girls in the past. They are just bored ugly whales raising annoying kids now . Those old dreams don't exists anymore. :) The rest of the comment is also very good
ASM is peak s2000 tuning 👌
The moment we’ve all been waiting for
Yessss
Glad to see the build turned out how you wanted! Such a fun car
Thank you!
You are just living a damn dream life over there guy. Love it! 👍
This is what I'm talking about my guy; just subscribed! Loved the feel of a NA engine. AP1 here and am looking to slowly start building the HP on my S2K. Thanks for the awesome walk through!
Smooth driving! The car works so well. Glad all the new upgrades were worth it. I'd love to see ya hoon on a bigger track and see how the balance is at higher mph corners. Beautiful car. I also can't wait to see you and mattchew hoon the new brz.
Thank you! We are planning some track days for next year on bigger tracks :)
Great video. It's fun to see all of your work, come together. Worth every penny. Plan to keep mine as long as possible, as well.
Thank you! Love your username btw. The s2000 was always the highest ranked factory vehicle for the Kakeyoro score on the Touge.
@@TheSlipAngle Haha, thanks for the call out. I stole this one back in like 2006 and I've used it everywhere. So I'm sure I've made a few people in Japan salty when they tried to make a new PlayStation user name or something. Your approach to tuning is a lot like what Tsuchiya-san would like. Maybe if we can get you enough subs, we can have your car shipped to Japan and run it on Mt. Gunsai. "American-no... esu nissen... hayaiiiiii... versus......" lmao, I'll stop.
Been waiting for THIS! I’ll never understand how few seem to follow this channel, by far one of my favorites on YT 💪
Also, shame they changed the track up. You guys will have to get some new lap times with everything! Take care, look forward to seeing new content (and super excited for the exocet!)
Thank you!
watched every minute for the algo. beautifully modded s2k. can't wait for the podcast.
Thank you brother!
Last few minutes of the video. People that never drove one at the limit will never understand. Some just repeat cliches. Others just hate without knowing. Others are jealous. Just very few will know that feeling
Truth brother
So true! You cannot explain this car in words or stats!
This was sick, keep it up guys! May need to take the loss and buy a AP1, looking forward to the podcast, make it a long one please! ✌
We will!
Man, It has become the perfect s2000. Congrats. By the way, If you test the Rx-8 with grippy tires on track It would also be very much appreciated. Cheers.
Thank you!
awesome video, you need more on track content. love this channel
I was so waiting for this video! Car sounds so good and looks good. Glad everything works well together and kicks the old s2000 setup's ass 😂 The s2000 is the ultimate drivers car.. even though i cant drive mine anywhere near that, but theres just something about the car that is so perfect.. just like you said at the end, honda sure made a great machine
At least you have your piece of automotive history in hand though :)
@@TheSlipAngle so very true 😀
This make me wanna build the same spec car as you. I already love my S2000 but this one looks next level fun. Really great driving as well btw. That was great to watch
Thank you!
Love your vids! I did miss them
So I guess I need a set of spearicals now, haha, I've hat them on my list, but that may be my next purchase. Awesome video!
Thank you! I wouldn't say sphericals are necessary. I'm pretty sure the knuckle adapters and extended balljoints would get you most of the way there.
Awsome drive Quinn, I feel ya though when u said about the Miata, I had both MK1 & MK2.5 which I Modded, lots of fun but didn't last long, driving a V6 Modded Roadster now and there's just no comparison, I wanted the S but still haven't the pleasure so far, still luv the Miata, awsome vid 🎶🔥👍
Awesome video and driving skills!
Thank you! 👍
Great video. I miss my S2k's. Maybe again one day.
Great build and great driving yet again Quinn! 👏Everything you said about the S2000 is so true! I'm just surprised that it took you this long to realize that the Miata will never be in the same lane as "the real thing" 😉 As an S2000 owner ('00 supercharged AP1) I'm proud to see videos like these 😎
I’ve always wondered which route to go down, because the cost of getting this extra power from an NA build isn’t actually far off just going supercharger and having like 400+ bhp which sounds really tempting. But is a properly setup NA just as fun as a higher hp boosted to one
@@rgled10260 Have you enjoyed your S2K Na for at least a few years? If so, then I'd say boost it. Centrifugal superchargers are the way to go if you want to keep the character of the car intact. That's why I prefer supercharging over turbocharging on this platform. That being said, if I had another S2K i just might turbo it. Then again I'd probably keep it NA :)
@@RolanTHUNDER so I owned one years ago for 3 years but sold it due to a job change. Which was worst decision I ever made, now I’ve finally got another one 7 years later. I’ve always had Honda’s and spent a lot of money rebuilding a Del Sol with a fully forged B18c4 turbo. But it wasn’t the most reliable and I loved how the S2000 drove even though it was done 90bhp from the Sol. But yeah I’d love to go down the rotrex route as I’d love to keep it NA feeling. But then you watch videos like this and think so I just do all this for slightly cheaper. I also was a lot of lht performance videos and they always say not to bother with trying to get a few more hp from NA and just go with boosted all the time. But this car here looks sick
@@rgled10260 Yes that's it. Staying NA is awesome, no doubt. The S2K is an absolutely amazing NA car, no doubt. When you start building it NA then you will easily spend a lot of money for decent gains but not close to the gains you'll get supercharging it. SC is like the best of both worlds. Before supercharging I tuned my NA S2k with bolt ons (stock header and airbox though) and she made 200 wheel at altitude. Would have been around 225 to 230 wheel at sea level. That was fun and she was great but I always knew I'd be supercharging it. Now she makes 375 wheel still at altitude off of 9 to 10 pounds boost, stock engine :) I'm still fine tuning here and there so my goal is and always was 400 wheel. If I were at the coast then she'd make 4 to 5 pounds more boost as is!! That would put me well over 400 wheel on pump gas ;)
I could watch you RIp the 2k all day long. Owned my stock 03 better part of 19 years now, most fun per dollar
S2000 for life
Your videos hold me over until I can purchase an AP1 of my own. Wanting pair one with my FK8
This looks like an absolute hoot to drive
I've been absent from this channel for quite awhile, but it's great to see how much you've grown as a channel 🤘. Quick question, i watched a few videos and didn't see him, what happened to the blonde guy that was with you guys before? Sorry I'm terrible with names
He's in our most recent video ;)
So happy for you. Been watching the build forever. Miss my ap1. How’s the nvh after the spherical bushings? Tolerable for street? Been considering similar stuff for my NC.
Thanks man. NVH is not bad at all honestly. There is definitely some magic to having good valving and helper springs.
That is a proper roadster. 👍
Of course my evil mind thinks about VVT NB receiving similar suspension components upgrade with an FFS s/c to keep power delivery linear/more oomph...
Then again Miata will always be a car built to a price point, Stook was more of an engineering feat for Honda that turned into a legendary car and raised the bar higher...
Don't forget Maruha rotating assembly 2.1 miata vs 2.0 s2000
Favorite line in the video: "The miata is OVER!" 😂
K Miata is the natural evolution of the Miata, along with chassis rigidity improvements
It’s amazing to gain that much horsepower on a N/A car. Now that my Rx8 is boosted (rew) i miss the n/a experience lol.. guess ill have to save for one of these :,)
Awww yeaaaaa
It would be interesting to see someone that knows how to drive take I think around the track.
I mean, if you really wanted to, one of the mods you could do is add a centrifugal blower to this thing. I think that would probably be something you'd do after a long time of owning the s2000 in this trim.
The extra power is definitely appealing but the F-series were meant to be naturally aspirated and you lose a lot of the soul of the engine with forced induction because of how much ignition timing you have to pull from the tune.
nice！is it 2way lock？
A bit surprised you're not running 3 inch on the exhaust. I just swapped back and forth between 70mm and 76mm (3 inch) exhaust a few times and every time the 3 inch required about 5% extra fuel at WOT and a noticeable increase in power. I'll get the dyno some time in the next couple of weeks for actual results.
It's the noise that kills it for me
@@TheSlipAngle I have a pretty quiet exhaust with very little drone. I have a sizeable mid muffler and rear muffler that does the trick. I'm 35 and need to be able to have a conversation with my passenger at a reasonable volume lol.
How is NVH with the pillow ball bushings? Is this only a mod you should do for track use or is it also a good mod for a daily driver?
With the helper springs on the coilovers, they aren't bad at all. I would say there is less NVH on this car than my Miata's with all poly bushings. I don't know if sphericals is a must do, given the amount of labor involved in them. I'm sure doing all the same mods minus them would get you 96% of the same result
Any thoughts in comparisons to your rx8, pros, cons? On paper they are pretty similar, but on track they feel so different, the rx8's stability versus the s2k's edginess.
RX-8 is a really good GT car and what I would choose for daily use. S2000 is the more hardcore sports car and what I would choose for track use.
238whp is very good. What’s the weight of your car? Impressive driving skills! Would you reckon i’ll be faster with ABS?
Thank you! About 2600 lbs with fuel. I need to put the stock ecu back in and connect to the ABS module with a scan tool to see where the fault is.
How did that J’s racing intake do? More gains over OEM?
The RAM effect is definitely noticeable at speed. Taking the intake duct out definitely had a noticeable difference seat of the pants.
beautiful car. My question is why Ballade for all these upgrades? They have a really shady reputation throughout the S2k community, and a lot of people have had bad experiences and sworn off using any of their parts for good. Glad everything worked out for you.
Alex and I had connected, discussed my build. He was very knowledgeable and we both had an in-depth understanding of the platform. As one business owner to another, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and he delivered on his promises.
Personally, I like it better that you guys run on the new layout as it matches what they time on for the invitational and gives me a better basis for comparison... But I understand it sucks that you would have to redo times for all the stuff you've already done...
I like having the longer straight on last year's setup. It allowed for stretching the legs of the faster cars.
@@TheSlipAngle oh it's more fun no doubt
How is this car not falling apart with the whole Ballade catalog of parts??? 😅
right? dude's brave using all that shit
Uncle Quinn giving us the Xmas present we all wanted and now that he's in the S2000 and not the Miata, we don't have to explain to all the neighbourhood babes that he isn't a homosexual.
LMAO
I'm smiling so wide and I'm not even driving. Time to find an S2K? Maybe.
Maybe!
All that's left is to put the Lotus seats that are in the miata, into the S2000, then everything is complete.
Funny thing is that I just sold a mint pair of Elise seats I had set aside for this because I've grown found of the Recaros in it lol
I feel your pain in them changing the track on ya. Just do things right the first time so people don’t suffer your flip flop consequences, is how I assume you feel. I hate when people do that sh**, like when they change my everyday tools on my phone, make it worse but, call it an “update”, 🤬.
When a plan comes together...........
and the scooby in front cant get away...then tries off road.........
I learned to drive in cars with no ABS....
it is of course a control system for the brakes..
the brakes are still just brakes.... and a locked digging in tyre can actually reduce braking distance.....
it is of course a balance...
i was taught to brake as hard as possible untill the tyre just started to lock..then off then on again...
ABS of course allows more steering control...
ABS on snow.........no thanks......
Its a great car...
The drivers okay...ish....😜😜😜😜😜😜
N x
Wow you break my heart.
I just put my ap1 for sale to buy nd2 and 220 hp bbr kit.
I find my s2ki to much dangerous above 100 kph on the limit. And I find the nd2 more easy on the limit.
how do you compare your s2ki and the nd2 on the limit ?
Thanks
Michael
Just buy some better tires for the S2k and you will be fine. I cured all those snap oversster and unexpected slides with the original tires it was built.
@@endlesstwisties it’s not the only the snap oversteer, I find the ap1 to much difficult to drive at the limit above 100 kph. And do not get me wrong, I do drift with the ap1 with 3 gear on 100 kph.
But with all this I find the ap1 to much dangers, unlike the mx5.
With mx5 I have more confidence at the limit and it’s Piss me off.
The S2000 is definitely less forgiving at the limit, at higher speeds. Mazda's suspension tuning usually errors more on the side of safety and user friendliness. With that said, you can always tune the suspension to make a car handle how you want it to for the most part.
Will there be a full head to head of S2k vs RX8?
Rx8 will win as the better street car and S2000 as the better track car
Rx8 is what it is. More like a fun GT car at the end of the day. Handles well but it’s too heavy to compete with an S2k imo.
I've been telling you for years that the S2000 => Miata LOL.
It's just occurred to me that you're one of the only youtubers I've found who can do a proper inertia drift
🙌🤙👊
what are the other specs of the wheel? I heard +50 offset, but are they 17x8.5 square?
17x8.5 +50 square setup 16.8 lbs each
What tire size are you running? The wheels look ace!! 🎉
@@TheSlipAngle when will they be available, clear all bbk, colors, and price?
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks we'll be doing a video on them and go over all options and details
Say it with me kids "Balance"
What color is the s2000?
Silverstone
Which anti roll bars are you using? Usually people without aero put a harder one at front and a small one (or none) at the rear. This makes the car way friendlier at the limit. You can actually toss it in the corners like a miata with this mod.
Eibach front, stock rear
@@TheSlipAngle which setting do you use for the Eibach? Stiff or soft?
@@justusjago3382 on a square setup, you want to run it stiff
soooooooo giveaway on the NB, right? lol
No, but the red NA is on the chopping block with the NB's engine setup.
@@TheSlipAngle So the NA's rotary is going into the NB?
Car sounds so aggressive
She's angry :)
VTECCCCCC
Yessss
Lap time in that track configuration?
It was around a 45.2 IIRC
@@TheSlipAngle I’m running about the same with a lot more tire but stock motor. Losing big time up the hill… too low in the power band. Any suggestions from the changes you made? Looks like the headers gave you a decent bump in the lower RPMs (or should I just supercharge this thing and call it a day)
Power is not really gaining much on a small track like this. Corner speed and braking are the two biggest factors for fast lap times. If it were a bigger track with straightaways, then yes the power would get you something. Think of it like how often can you really go full throttle and utilize big acceleration here. Most of the time you are just trying to get the car through a corner and more power will just make it more of a handful. You can help your low end with gearing. While yes, my 235/40-17 AD08Rs are certainly giving up some all out grip vs say a 255, the benefit I gain is having a lighter setup as well as a bump in gearing, in which combined with the all motor mods helps my low end pull out of the diggy corners.
I’m surprised they let you drift like that.
You must be new.
We have good rapport with LRP
This video was great! I love the Miata, but I’m beginning to think S2K is always the answer 🫢
🤭🤭🤭
It was always the answer. Just that some didn't knew the answer
@@endlesstwisties and that now no one car afford them...
A quand le duel s2000 et ta nb itb
Miata is going to get spanked lol
Be nice if the tire would stick unless you were trying to drift all over a race track…
He's going for fun (so drift-capable) more than all-out grip. Running AD08RS tires puts him at a disadvantage for pure grip. This car would be a couple of seconds faster (43 second lap times easily) if he went with an all-out grip setup, and would put him in the top 5-10 at the autocross invitational, right up there with the Porsches, vipers, c7/8 vettes etc...
it had 220 at the wheels? was it stock?
and what stock 2.0l S2000s are you seeing put down 220 whp DynoJet horsepower? 195-200 is what they typicall do SAE Corrected on a DynoJet
Any chance I could post some of your comments at the end of this video to my Instagram page? Gotta spell out what “car” means to the laymen out there; so, people stop buying commuters & put their money/vote towards real cars so car manufacturers go back to making cars again, & nothing means “car” more than what you said about the S2k.
Go for it! just give our channel credit
Dude offended Miata fans and K-Series fans in one video hahaha
But the F-Series and the F20c are very very far apart. The F20c is very close to the K-Series (was developement engine for the K-Series) and has nothing to do with the F-series ... honda engine naming is just so confusing
Agreed. I love the that the F20/F22 uses the timing gear that is driven by the chain vs the cam gears being driven by the chain on the K-series. Not to mention, the stock pistons and forged rods are nice and light, which really gives that exciting engine response.
Absolutely, what really worked for me was the AC delete with the very light toda pulleys, and a toda oil pan has been suggested if you track it, especially on grippy tires on long fast corners. It‘s a fantastic car for me to really learnt to drive in track and to mod as it is imo very sensitive to any little mod or weight reduction (weight distribution)
Sell the miatas and invest in this thing!
Stock belts, no airbag, no helmet, hate to see it
Small track, nothing to hit really. That's what is great about it.
Then don't watch. If LRP doesn't require a helmet, why would I wear one and deal with the challenges of getting clean voice audio?
track days with helmets are the stupid part. No reason to ever hurt your head more wearing a helmet when u don't have a cage. Just more stuff inside the car for your head to hit when u have a helmet.
@@TheSlipAngle don’t worry, I didn’t. Hope you change your mind and put the airbag back in if you won’t be wearing a helmet.
@@MrZyLeXx I’d agree with you if he didn’t remove the stock airbag.