Yeah, I noticed that too … very strange … TH-cam must be testing different audiences. All I can do is focus on trying to produce high quality content. The good thing is it makes me appreciate my existing subscribers even more. Thank you for your continued support.
It got a lot of bad press when it was released but the data shows it performs extremely well … will have to re-test it against the 7900 GRE for a future video.
Quality comparison! Hey...you are stacking tips and tricks into your video comparisons. This packs them full of great information, but makes the videos very difficult to 'mine' for the content that's relevant to an issue a user is having (Liam Li fans, dual port USB header, helpful apps, benchmark/stability testing tools, etc...). With respect, a recommendation for a new video or series: You go back and cut all of the troubleshooting/tips/tricks into a single video or series of videos, with chapters that users can select in order to find help for their relevant issues. Then post the video(s) in a new playlist on your channel that makes it convenient for us to find. PC Build Troubleshooting Apps, Tips, & Tricks, maybe? Just an idea! Keep up the great work!
Great suggestion … I realized that too and I’ve been thinking about how to repackage the troubleshooting tips and tricks … I was thinking to simply put them under my “It’s Not Rocket Science” series but perhaps a new series is in order.
@@blackbirdpctech Hey buddy...I missed your reply. Apologies. I'm glad the idea was already on your radar. Thanks for always being so open to suggestions. Just trying to help!
I'm still using my rtx 3070 because i don't play GPU demanding games,i play only multiplayer shooters on low video settings,but i can see how good is 4070 super ,great video man ,keep doing that.
Yooo, it’s been so long since I’ve see. Your channel on my recommended. It’s good to see it again, your videos are amazing, also amazing video dude love the content. What is your fav gpu of this generation?
That’s a great question. If I was to pick only one I would likely go with the 4080 Super, with special shoutouts to the 7900 GRE (testing currently) and Intel A770 (post software fixes). What is your favorite gpu of this current gen?
@@blackbirdpctech honestly that’s a valid answer the rtx 4080 super. I’m guessing the gre is pretty good. For me tho since my first gpu and desktop was from this generation would be the Rx 7900 xt, it has great performance and with my new build it’s gonna be fully unlocked and I’ll experience for a bit. Also what gou would u recommend including used market that wouldn’t be to much of a step down like down to the rtx 3070 levels of performance would recommend? I’m going to sell my current gou and rig bc I need the money for a new monitor and other stuff yk but wanted a decent replacement that could get me by until the rtx 5080 or 5090
So this may surprise you but at those levels I would give the Intel A770 a shot (I did a review of it ... it has a really attractive price point) ... the drivers have been fixed and it now performs at a level similar to the 3070 ... but it also can handle editing, AV1 encoding, etc. I really liked the 7900 XT when I compared it against the 4070 Ti Super, but I chose the GRE because it has been priced aggressively to deliver amazing value ... not sure why it took AMD so long to release it in the US.
A neat tip. The PTM7950 sold at LTT can be used to replace thermo paste and it eliminates the need for repasting. Just clean your fans and blow out your heatsink fins and your ready to go. And for the ones using custom water cooling. Even better. Unless it gets gunked up, there is no need to ever tear it apart. Just remember to chill it in the fridge before you apply. Makes it way easier.
I haven’t used thermal pads for GPU’s yet but I love using them for CPU’s … I’ve been using the kryosheets from thermal grizzly … will check out the ptm7950.
@@blackbirdpctech My cpu and gpu like them. My Kids have been helping me build a system. A 5950X and a RX 6950XT most definitely like them. And, you're welcome.
Hi! I've bought used RTX 3070 Inno 3D for 225$ 2 month ago. Sadly it is still waits for PC build... Planning to play CP 2077, Stalker 2 and Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p. Want to get full budget before black Friday. This week i thought of selling it for the same price but new stuff costs too much and will delay PC build even more... And used 3080 starts at 450$, new 4070 is 600$. I think it's better to tweak settings in fall than wait for "budget" GPUs in next spring...
@@n0.nam358 if you can squeeze it in your budget get 32gb of ram as hogwarts legacy is a ram hog at 1440p I get swings of 14gb and occasionally some areas spike to 18gb. When I was on 16gb I had alot of hitching.
The 8GB of VRAM really holds the 3070 back in modern titles especially. 12GB is sooo much better. I have a 6750 XT and 12GB is a good middle ground for 1440p gaming price performance.
Agreed ... that's why it was smart of Nvidia to finally come to their senses and make a 16GB version of the 4060 Ti ... AMD definitely does a better job stacking their cards with VRAM.
coffee filters are so handy 1 because there lint free. other things to note is be very careful of the small contacts around the gpu and do not apply considerable pressure as thats a raw gpu die and you could damage it. as someone who owns a 4070 super coming from a 2060 super its worth it due to same or similar power draw but double the performance. if your in the uk or Europe where electric prices are insane its a good buy. also the nvidia occing software i didnt know about however because nvidias default fan curve is insanely annoying like the fans will only kick in full gear when its actually in the danger zone not before it. I would try that test again with a custom fan curve if you haven't already and see if you get better results. and yes i play at 2k/ 4k may look prettier but it isnt worth the frame drop.
Great adds … I need to play around with the app more … some of the results I got are strange. Wrt custom fan curves, for the gpu I was testing I had set the fans at a constant speed to push air through the rad … for the 4070S I’m sure it will make a difference.
@@blackbirdpctech I think its just pushing as much voltage as it can while upping clocks. ive heard yet to test it myself that the gpu is good at undervolting. i use a method of hw monitor while stressing testing with 3d mark to get the native max voltage the card will push with what clocks it can get to find the average it hits then lock it to that clock so theres less wild swings. other thing i noticed with your repaste will temps where minor it did increase its clock speed ever so slightly. from 1500/1560. it also used slightly less vram because of the clock. i would assume after some power cycles and the paste gets a bit more cured ( i dont care what thermal paste manufacturers say there is a cure time with all paste and its about 2-4 weeks of regular use. ive seen 3 degrees drops from thermal paste and a more stable boost clock. ( its why i use 3d mark as it gives a line graph at the end which i can plot when the gpu had a massive swing. also double check hotspot temp on 4070 super mine was going into 96c after stress testing which to me is to uncomfortable so im doing a full removal of pads and repaste see if i can get that right down did it to a 2060 super and it dropped everything to 65 c and a 75 on hotspot temp and the graph was way more stable.
It's definitely a beta feature ... Nvidia should use their prowess in AI to do a smart overclock ... hopefully that is a feature that is coming. I explained the process I use to do a manual overclock for GPUs in a prior video ... I switch it up a little for AMD GPUs because I've found that they respond extremely well to undervolting. You are spot on about cure time for the thermal paste ... it typically takes a while to set properly. I did run HWMonitor while testing the 3070 and the hot spot temp improved a few degrees, but it was still relatively low. I recently re-pasted a 4090 that I received back from Asus and the temp improvement I got was about 15 deg C ... clearly they didn't reassemble the card correctly. For my 4070S when I ran 3DMark Speed Way, Port Royal and Steel Nomad my GPU temps were all around 67 deg C and my hot spot temps were around 81 deg C, so not too bad ... pretty sure if I do a repaste for that card I will get the temps down.
@@blackbirdpctech with my 2060 super i change the pads ever so slightly to a more compressive pad i found the factory pads where not allowing for good contact. i dunno what paste the 4090 use but i found the paste in the 2060 super was quite poor quality ( i had it 3 months). another new card i disassembled i found the paste was almost bone dry and they were using not full thermal pads lol like half of 1 on each. theory is with my experience that they made these cards ages ago and where just accumulating stock before releasing by the time there released the paste on the card is dry as hell where ever there storing them.
I get that when you mass produce cards the thermal solution will not be perfect but this is pretty disgraceful given how much these cost and how much their performance is impacted by thermals.
It’s a good card and for many gamers they won’t feel the need to upgrade but for some who want to game at higher resolutions and/or monitor refresh rates, the 4070S is a great upgrade.
it's not worth upgrading as everything runs fine in 1440p on 3070, just don't set textures to ultra in some unoptimized titles and use DLSS quality if necessary.
You can definitely adjust the quality of the game settings to get higher fps but if you have a 120Hz or higher refresh rate monitor then I think the 4070S is a much better option at 1440p.
@@jamv2122 if you want to play in native resolution 7800 xt or 7900 gre are better choices and have 16GB with 256 bit bus and are also cheaper. BTW you will run out of VRAM on 4070 in Cyberpunk if you enable RT and framegen, so you're buying $600 product that soon will feel obsolete if 5070 has 16GB.
@@wlewargusowy1592 it really depends on the game with rt i have had various success with some rt on and some off rt isnt gods gift to gaming i find it can actually make some games look awful. also depends on how the gpu works with the vram i have found many amd gpus use substantially more vram then for example nvidia. again why would i have to drop resolution if i can play native at high just fine. 16gb and 256 bit bus are great and all but where I'm from a 4070 super is a godsend in terms of using less electric. if I'm being honest i will never use dlss because its just a way to do resolution scaling on the fly. also if you turn on rt on any amd 7900 gre it will struggle vs a 4070 super in ray tracing amd isnt there yet.
You can turn DLSS on without frame gen but I decided not to test any games with frame gen turned on for this review … I didn’t think that would be fair to the 3070.
I am not a fan of it in reviews or advertising. Because all it does is...."Bigger number=Better". It's just there to win the fps tittle. Intel is doing that with it's 13th and 14th gen and having issues. Hilarious. P.s. I would still love to see how these 30 series and 40 series react when the Vram is mostly or fully used with the different bus sizes.
@@patrickprafke4894 it's interesting you say that because I just ran Cyberpunk at 4K for the 4070S at Ultra RT settings with Frame Gen on and it used around 11GB of VRAM which caused some stutters, severely impacting the 1% lows. I'm testing it against the 7900 GRE ... should be interesting.
@@blackbirdpctech That's actually pretty cool. I haven't been able to find or get somebody to test that. I don't have the funds to do so. That smaller bus has to have problems with all that ram to its disposal.
If your going to do a test like this you can't use 3rd party you have to use GeForce RTX 4070 Super Founders Edition the card in this video is budget and is a shit make.
Misinformation posts like this are important to leave up because I think it's a good opportunity to learn. There is absolutely NO difference between the GPUs used in different cards of the same variant (beyond typical silicon lottery variations). So a 4070 Super GPU is the same regardless of what brand sells it. The only difference is the cooling solution, board layout, power delivery, etc. However, assuming that the cooling solution is sufficient, none of these items will impact the performance at stock settings. In fact, these GPUs from Nvidia are all voltage constrained, so even if you have an ultra expensive card with the best quality components, you will end up hitting a voltage limit. You can see this with the ROG Matrix Platinum 4090, which I tested extensively. Furthermore, the Asus Dual card that I tested in this video is definitely not a "shit" make as you state ... Asus may have service related issues but they design and produce high quality components.
@blackbirdpctech Opinions vary, Nvidia use far superior parts and silicone. I challenge you do test a founders edition against after market... you won't do that though will you ?
@@ianwright6466 it's not an opinion, it's fact. Nvidia, like AMD and Intel, produce the same GPU spec regardless of the final card manufacturer. When you say something that isn't true, the burden of proof lies with you, not the person that highlights your error. So please feel free to provide any data or evidence to justify your opinion. I've tested multiple Founder's Edition cards on my channel, so feel free to use that data, generate your own or leverage another source ... hopefully by doing some research you will understand that your "opinion" has no basis in fact.
It's a shame that im seeing a lot of hate on your channel recently, you put out good quality content.
Yeah, I noticed that too … very strange … TH-cam must be testing different audiences. All I can do is focus on trying to produce high quality content. The good thing is it makes me appreciate my existing subscribers even more. Thank you for your continued support.
@blackbirdpctech not something to worry about, not everyone will like you anyways. Just keep being you
4070 Super really destroys the 3070 😳
It got a lot of bad press when it was released but the data shows it performs extremely well … will have to re-test it against the 7900 GRE for a future video.
Quality comparison! Hey...you are stacking tips and tricks into your video comparisons. This packs them full of great information, but makes the videos very difficult to 'mine' for the content that's relevant to an issue a user is having (Liam Li fans, dual port USB header, helpful apps, benchmark/stability testing tools, etc...). With respect, a recommendation for a new video or series: You go back and cut all of the troubleshooting/tips/tricks into a single video or series of videos, with chapters that users can select in order to find help for their relevant issues. Then post the video(s) in a new playlist on your channel that makes it convenient for us to find. PC Build Troubleshooting Apps, Tips, & Tricks, maybe? Just an idea! Keep up the great work!
Great suggestion … I realized that too and I’ve been thinking about how to repackage the troubleshooting tips and tricks … I was thinking to simply put them under my “It’s Not Rocket Science” series but perhaps a new series is in order.
@@blackbirdpctech Hey buddy...I missed your reply. Apologies. I'm glad the idea was already on your radar. Thanks for always being so open to suggestions. Just trying to help!
No problem … your suggestion made me realize it was worth following through on, so I appreciate it.
I'm still using my rtx 3070 because i don't play GPU demanding games,i play only multiplayer shooters on low video settings,but i can see how good is 4070 super ,great video man ,keep doing that.
That makes sense … thanks for watching!
Yooo, it’s been so long since I’ve see. Your channel on my recommended. It’s good to see it again, your videos are amazing, also amazing video dude love the content. What is your fav gpu of this generation?
That’s a great question. If I was to pick only one I would likely go with the 4080 Super, with special shoutouts to the 7900 GRE (testing currently) and Intel A770 (post software fixes). What is your favorite gpu of this current gen?
@@blackbirdpctech honestly that’s a valid answer the rtx 4080 super. I’m guessing the gre is pretty good. For me tho since my first gpu and desktop was from this generation would be the Rx 7900 xt, it has great performance and with my new build it’s gonna be fully unlocked and I’ll experience for a bit. Also what gou would u recommend including used market that wouldn’t be to much of a step down like down to the rtx 3070 levels of performance would recommend? I’m going to sell my current gou and rig bc I need the money for a new monitor and other stuff yk but wanted a decent replacement that could get me by until the rtx 5080 or 5090
So this may surprise you but at those levels I would give the Intel A770 a shot (I did a review of it ... it has a really attractive price point) ... the drivers have been fixed and it now performs at a level similar to the 3070 ... but it also can handle editing, AV1 encoding, etc. I really liked the 7900 XT when I compared it against the 4070 Ti Super, but I chose the GRE because it has been priced aggressively to deliver amazing value ... not sure why it took AMD so long to release it in the US.
A neat tip. The PTM7950 sold at LTT can be used to replace thermo paste and it eliminates the need for repasting. Just clean your fans and blow out your heatsink fins and your ready to go. And for the ones using custom water cooling. Even better. Unless it gets gunked up, there is no need to ever tear it apart. Just remember to chill it in the fridge before you apply. Makes it way easier.
I haven’t used thermal pads for GPU’s yet but I love using them for CPU’s … I’ve been using the kryosheets from thermal grizzly … will check out the ptm7950.
I highly recommend them. They are after time just as good as liquid metal. So far.
Just ordered some from the LTT store ... appreciate the heads-up.
@@blackbirdpctech My cpu and gpu like them. My Kids have been helping me build a system. A 5950X and a RX 6950XT most definitely like them. And, you're welcome.
Great video!
Thanks!
Good vid. Would love to see 3070Ti vs. 4070Ti *SUPER*
Good idea … I need to get my hands on a 3070 Ti … will see how the 4070S does against the 7900 GRE next.
Hi! I've bought used RTX 3070 Inno 3D for 225$ 2 month ago. Sadly it is still waits for PC build... Planning to play CP 2077, Stalker 2 and Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p. Want to get full budget before black Friday. This week i thought of selling it for the same price but new stuff costs too much and will delay PC build even more... And used 3080 starts at 450$, new 4070 is 600$. I think it's better to tweak settings in fall than wait for "budget" GPUs in next spring...
I think that’s a very smart move … you can also try repasting the gpu to improve temps when you get your system together.
@@n0.nam358 if you can squeeze it in your budget get 32gb of ram as hogwarts legacy is a ram hog at 1440p I get swings of 14gb and occasionally some areas spike to 18gb. When I was on 16gb I had alot of hitching.
The 8GB of VRAM really holds the 3070 back in modern titles especially. 12GB is sooo much better. I have a 6750 XT and 12GB is a good middle ground for 1440p gaming price performance.
Agreed ... that's why it was smart of Nvidia to finally come to their senses and make a 16GB version of the 4060 Ti ... AMD definitely does a better job stacking their cards with VRAM.
coffee filters are so handy 1 because there lint free. other things to note is be very careful of the small contacts around the gpu and do not apply considerable pressure as thats a raw gpu die and you could damage it. as someone who owns a 4070 super coming from a 2060 super its worth it due to same or similar power draw but double the performance. if your in the uk or Europe where electric prices are insane its a good buy. also the nvidia occing software i didnt know about however because nvidias default fan curve is insanely annoying like the fans will only kick in full gear when its actually in the danger zone not before it. I would try that test again with a custom fan curve if you haven't already and see if you get better results. and yes i play at 2k/ 4k may look prettier but it isnt worth the frame drop.
Great adds … I need to play around with the app more … some of the results I got are strange. Wrt custom fan curves, for the gpu I was testing I had set the fans at a constant speed to push air through the rad … for the 4070S I’m sure it will make a difference.
@@blackbirdpctech I think its just pushing as much voltage as it can while upping clocks. ive heard yet to test it myself that the gpu is good at undervolting. i use a method of hw monitor while stressing testing with 3d mark to get the native max voltage the card will push with what clocks it can get to find the average it hits then lock it to that clock so theres less wild swings. other thing i noticed with your repaste will temps where minor it did increase its clock speed ever so slightly. from 1500/1560. it also used slightly less vram because of the clock. i would assume after some power cycles and the paste gets a bit more cured ( i dont care what thermal paste manufacturers say there is a cure time with all paste and its about 2-4 weeks of regular use. ive seen 3 degrees drops from thermal paste and a more stable boost clock. ( its why i use 3d mark as it gives a line graph at the end which i can plot when the gpu had a massive swing. also double check hotspot temp on 4070 super mine was going into 96c after stress testing which to me is to uncomfortable so im doing a full removal of pads and repaste see if i can get that right down did it to a 2060 super and it dropped everything to 65 c and a 75 on hotspot temp and the graph was way more stable.
It's definitely a beta feature ... Nvidia should use their prowess in AI to do a smart overclock ... hopefully that is a feature that is coming. I explained the process I use to do a manual overclock for GPUs in a prior video ... I switch it up a little for AMD GPUs because I've found that they respond extremely well to undervolting. You are spot on about cure time for the thermal paste ... it typically takes a while to set properly. I did run HWMonitor while testing the 3070 and the hot spot temp improved a few degrees, but it was still relatively low. I recently re-pasted a 4090 that I received back from Asus and the temp improvement I got was about 15 deg C ... clearly they didn't reassemble the card correctly. For my 4070S when I ran 3DMark Speed Way, Port Royal and Steel Nomad my GPU temps were all around 67 deg C and my hot spot temps were around 81 deg C, so not too bad ... pretty sure if I do a repaste for that card I will get the temps down.
@@blackbirdpctech with my 2060 super i change the pads ever so slightly to a more compressive pad i found the factory pads where not allowing for good contact. i dunno what paste the 4090 use but i found the paste in the 2060 super was quite poor quality ( i had it 3 months). another new card i disassembled i found the paste was almost bone dry and they were using not full thermal pads lol like half of 1 on each. theory is with my experience that they made these cards ages ago and where just accumulating stock before releasing by the time there released the paste on the card is dry as hell where ever there storing them.
I get that when you mass produce cards the thermal solution will not be perfect but this is pretty disgraceful given how much these cost and how much their performance is impacted by thermals.
If you have rtx 3070 just keep it it's good card
It’s a good card and for many gamers they won’t feel the need to upgrade but for some who want to game at higher resolutions and/or monitor refresh rates, the 4070S is a great upgrade.
Unfortunately if you own an Nvidia FE card its not that easy to take apart as the rest
I have a 3080 Ti FE that needs a re-paste, so I might include that in a future video
it's not worth upgrading as everything runs fine in 1440p on 3070, just don't set textures to ultra in some unoptimized titles and use DLSS quality if necessary.
You can definitely adjust the quality of the game settings to get higher fps but if you have a 120Hz or higher refresh rate monitor then I think the 4070S is a much better option at 1440p.
dlss is ok if you want to use a resolution switch which is essentially what dlss is
Good point
@@jamv2122 if you want to play in native resolution 7800 xt or 7900 gre are better choices and have 16GB with 256 bit bus and are also cheaper. BTW you will run out of VRAM on 4070 in Cyberpunk if you enable RT and framegen, so you're buying $600 product that soon will feel obsolete if 5070 has 16GB.
@@wlewargusowy1592 it really depends on the game with rt i have had various success with some rt on and some off rt isnt gods gift to gaming i find it can actually make some games look awful. also depends on how the gpu works with the vram i have found many amd gpus use substantially more vram then for example nvidia. again why would i have to drop resolution if i can play native at high just fine. 16gb and 256 bit bus are great and all but where I'm from a 4070 super is a godsend in terms of using less electric. if I'm being honest i will never use dlss because its just a way to do resolution scaling on the fly. also if you turn on rt on any amd 7900 gre it will struggle vs a 4070 super in ray tracing amd isnt there yet.
It was worth it for me. £600 and nearly twice as fast as my £800 2080 and more vram.
The 4070 Super is a good card ... not really sure why it got so much hate when it was first released.
I'm going to say the DLSS3.0 is a bigger fps increase with its fake frames then we think?
You can turn DLSS on without frame gen but I decided not to test any games with frame gen turned on for this review … I didn’t think that would be fair to the 3070.
I am not a fan of it in reviews or advertising. Because all it does is...."Bigger number=Better". It's just there to win the fps tittle. Intel is doing that with it's 13th and 14th gen and having issues. Hilarious.
P.s.
I would still love to see how these 30 series and 40 series react when the Vram is mostly or fully used with the different bus sizes.
@@patrickprafke4894 it's interesting you say that because I just ran Cyberpunk at 4K for the 4070S at Ultra RT settings with Frame Gen on and it used around 11GB of VRAM which caused some stutters, severely impacting the 1% lows. I'm testing it against the 7900 GRE ... should be interesting.
@@blackbirdpctech That's actually pretty cool. I haven't been able to find or get somebody to test that. I don't have the funds to do so. That smaller bus has to have problems with all that ram to its disposal.
@@patrickprafke4894 it’s the first time I’ve seen lack of vram impact the results … will investigate further
If your going to do a test like this you can't use 3rd party you have to use GeForce RTX 4070 Super Founders Edition the card in this video is budget and is a shit make.
Misinformation posts like this are important to leave up because I think it's a good opportunity to learn. There is absolutely NO difference between the GPUs used in different cards of the same variant (beyond typical silicon lottery variations). So a 4070 Super GPU is the same regardless of what brand sells it. The only difference is the cooling solution, board layout, power delivery, etc. However, assuming that the cooling solution is sufficient, none of these items will impact the performance at stock settings. In fact, these GPUs from Nvidia are all voltage constrained, so even if you have an ultra expensive card with the best quality components, you will end up hitting a voltage limit. You can see this with the ROG Matrix Platinum 4090, which I tested extensively. Furthermore, the Asus Dual card that I tested in this video is definitely not a "shit" make as you state ... Asus may have service related issues but they design and produce high quality components.
@blackbirdpctech Opinions vary, Nvidia use far superior parts and silicone. I challenge you do test a founders edition against after market... you won't do that though will you ?
@@ianwright6466 it's not an opinion, it's fact. Nvidia, like AMD and Intel, produce the same GPU spec regardless of the final card manufacturer. When you say something that isn't true, the burden of proof lies with you, not the person that highlights your error. So please feel free to provide any data or evidence to justify your opinion. I've tested multiple Founder's Edition cards on my channel, so feel free to use that data, generate your own or leverage another source ... hopefully by doing some research you will understand that your "opinion" has no basis in fact.