The hunting horn saying 'secrets of the cosmos' plus the gold plate, I think it might be a reference to the voyager probe and its golden record. The plate contained a bunch of math stuff in case of aliens finding it.
I can't help but think these weapons were probably made for developer testing and debugging and whatnot. But the fact they explicitly barred you from taking them on quests leads me to believe that Capcom knew full well people would try to get ahold of them regardless but didn't feel like banning people left and right. So it feels like a mix of ultra-secret datamine lore and dev debug kit, it's honestly quite cool.
oh they fully well know, 1st day release of the game, people were already running around in White Fatalis Armor lmao... and that monster wasn't available to hunt officially yet. We insta kick them from any room.
Yeah World was my first, but I bought 3, 4, and Generations Ultimate so that I can catch up on at least some of the classics! Not sure if I can go as far back as Dos or the original though lol, we'll have to see how those 3 go first
in case you didn't know, weapon #22 endless loop is a reference to the Voyager Golden Record, a golden disc that NASA sent into space that contains a bunch of information on who we are and where we come from (humans).
And it just reached the Heliosphere a few years back, right? Like within the last 5? Took a few decades to make it out there, and we'll never receive messages from it again. I hope it doesn't get all jacked up in the cosmic radiation
Something I've not seen mentioned is that the Demon Valkcreed's description is in reference to the Valkyrie Brynhild, who is cursed to kill everyone she falls in love with
@@Traumachu i think he's referencing the joke in the beginning of the video where flyann makes a joke about needing 7 more subscribers to reach 8 subs which makes 80 when multiplied by 10
the IGs are actually pretty cracked, since you can just set the kinsects to Bilbobrix with the stats you want when editing them this also lets you hone all the weapons
Yeah that's true, but you can also just edit all the stats to be insanely strong with the same method... so it just depends where you draw the line on these kind of enhancements
This is probably the most fascinated I've been with individual weapons in this series. You did such a great job delving into each one and giving them the respect they deserve. Awesome video as always.
*I hope you guys enjoyed the video!! Put a lot of time and effort into this one ^___^* Join us this thursday to live react to the CAPCOM TGS Showcase! twitch.tv/flyann UPDATE: TGS did not go as planned.. LOL
The one single thing I loved the most about monster hunter 4 uilmate are the intro cutscene for monsters seeing your! Character interact with the world is so immersive and cool plus! They added for other players so if your in a intro cutscene it includes your fello hunters with there own Armor imagining modelling and using every Armor in the game for cutscenes and they all react like their there with you no hunter game has done that since
The "Dos Exile" kinda freaks me out for a reason no one would know without a little story. A while back I was looking through Mods for MHW when I found a skin mod for the Gogmazios Greatsword "Monument of Lament". It is a BEAUTIFULY made mod with custom fx layered on top of Shara Ishvalda's Greatsword and I basically set my goal in my new playthrough of World from scratch, to get that weapon. To EARN that weapon. I was making lore for my character along the way. Having started with MH4U, I took my character from that and based the story off him with some twist. I was weaving in other content I love and obvious headcannons that weren't true, but were realistic enough to sound true (It was lore just for me so it only ever had to be "good enough"). Oceaniz's MH Ecology - Forbidden Episode was a HUGE inspiration at the time. I left to hunt Gogmazios and it disappeared, but so did I. While everyone praised and mourned me, the guild knew. I had done nothing and yet by a stroke of luck Gogmazios was gone. I was too afraid to anything, and so I was exhiled and on the run. This pretty much plays on the fact that despite my few hundred hours on the game, I've never actually beaten MH4U. I've reached G Rank, but nothing more. I felt that I didn't deserve that Gogmazios weapon even if it was just a skin. That MHWorld playthrough was like a redemption for myself. I still feel like I need to go back and earn it in MH4U, and maybe one day I will. I just think its kinda odd how things lined up. "Exhile", "fabled warrior", the gogmazios weapon model, the ambiguous nature of the sword's true form vs the truth behind my character. I know that this is kinda corny, but this is just something I wanted to share. A personal MH story/experience. "The best stories are the ones that we find for ourselves." - Tomkon
This man has some of the best annunciation and diction on the whole of the internet, it's impressive how you make sure each line is delivered the way you want it to be and it makes me want to listen to every interesting detailed/dramatic recitation of the names and descriptions.
Honestly I find it really cool that the devs bothered to add unique descriptions for each weapon which also got translated. They probably got localized simply due to them being on the same table/list as the other weapons, but it unintentionally adds to the "forbidden" feeling within the in-game lore itself. It's like we're getting bits of extra lore from the ancient civilizations that left the Tower and the ruins all over the old world.
literally found your channel like 2 days ago through your forbidden mh3u weapons video, looked through your channel for a mh4u video to not find one and now here we are. its like you knew
Fun fact did you also know there are forbidden armor sets in the game you use save editor and you get a fatalis looking armor set and an alatreon armor set for GX For fatalis its GX dragoncasque X GX Dragonarmor X GX Dragonarms X GX Dragonbase X And GX Dragoncuisses X And for alatreon GX escadoracasque GX escadora armor GX escadora arms GX escadora base And GX escadora cuisses These are armors are VERY good but you cant have ANY of them on for quests From what i could dig up from these armors they were supposed to be dlc you could buy to get ahead at the start of the game or just in general but capcom faced alot of backlash and so they never let them in if theres a more accurate or official source on why they arent in id like to know cause i got this info from like reddit and faq boards
@@unholymrdoo8852Might be because the Capcom TGS stream is happening tomorrow at 7am (PDT) and it’s rumoured that the new monster hunter generation will be announced
So about the Crooked Blades, some sleep plus high raw (like with the Eternal Leavetakers (Gog DBs)) wound up being really good for solo play if I remember my 4U. The sleep+wakeup animation let you get in a couple of demon dances on their weakspot. Great for matchups like Brachy and Rajang, where the place you wanted to stick on didn't have good ele htizone values.
That was amazing timing. I watched the first video with the Tri weapons literally a few hours before you posted this one. Bwahahaha! Nicely done, I love your video style and hope you keep it up and reach success!
Back in your video on Tri's forbidden weapons, I said that those weapons were mostly for early to mid-G-Rank. But these guys are definitely beyond anything even Sunbreak has unless it's fully kitted out with Qurious augments - especially on the element side. Also, the descriptions for some of these weapons absolutely screams "super-secret lore".
wouldn't surprise me if these are dev/QA testing weapons (maybe powerful testing weapons based off of the corresponding dev/QA tester's favorite wep designs?)
The thing that filters out these from usable weapons for quests is not the weapon files themselves, its an abnormal true attack or awakened element. The "forbidden" weapons have either 420 true attack or an absurd amount of awakened element. the game is able to detect this and limit admission onto quests. the reason it is the actual values and not the weapons themselves can be proved with taking relics with modified "abnormal" stats and being given the same message. there are some unique characteristics when it comes to certain limits on displayed raw. 420 true attack is the highest that will ever show on your stat screen, you could mod in a 3000+ (550+ true) damage switch axe relic and when you equip it, it will tell you that you have 2268 attack on your stat screen (which is 420 and the same as the "forbidden" shah bloodseeker). it might also be worth noting that every weapon thats in the game naturally is a multiple of 10 true attack, thats why there is always at least 14 damage gap between two different damage sword&shields or 54 damage for switch axes etc... this is notable for this scenario as many true attacks that are not a multiple of 10 will get barred from quests, just like these weapons in the video. there are supposedly some irregularities with this as i found a 2019 discord message of myself claiming that trying 2 true and 22 true lead me to get that same message, but i was allowed to take 2.66666667... raw without any issues. unfortunately i didnt look into it enough to confirm whether or not it is ACTUALLY true. If you noticed how i said specifically *awakened* element, this is actually because if your element is locked/unawakened it bypasses the weapon restrictions. if i took a pair of dual blades that have 26,000 awakened element, they would not be allowed on a quest. HOWEVER if it was 26k locked element it can slip through undetected EVEN IF you use the awaken or enlightened blade skills meaning you can actually take these weapons in any quest and melt monsters without any problems. if you have played a great deal of mh4u online you might be familiar with a similar concept available to power-savers, however they are able to do this only with abnormal status effects, you might see someone with infinite para lock the monster down forever, or put them in a sleep loop, or even proc a blast with every attack. and while that is strong, it doesnt really stand up to the element versions that kill most monsters in a couple seconds. you might read this and think "thats broken why would you ever do that" but uhhh 1. while i did make these weapons when editing the game, i made sure to not use them in any way that could ruin my experience with the game (and the fact i was hr999 with every armor/weapon i ever actually wanted at that point) and 2. NONE of this actually matters when there are cheat plugins that people can use with custom firmware that can just set monster hp to 1 for a guaranteed insta-kill. There is quite a lot more interesting things ive found while playing around with save editors on mh4u, i could talk about them a bit but i think ive rambled on a bit too much already about meaningless things in this game, and i apologise to anyone who actually took time to read all of this.
I keep hoping they'll refresh the relic system for the next game. Some of the armors looked sooo cool. One of the Dalamadur themed sets made you look like a Paladin of Bahamut. One of the Royal Ludroth sets made female hunters look like a grown up Miss Forge! I actually made a second character to try and get that armor. Was never able to collect the full set though. Maybe I'll try and find my old game
Also the SnS should be much higher on the list. Especially the dragon element one. I'd probably never take it off if there was a legit way to get it. Unless I felt bad for the monsters dying too quick. There's no real downside to them, Raw being the most important Stat 99% of the time in 4U. Unlike the gimmicky weapons losing their gimmick, lvl kinsects and gunlance shells and crappy songs: SnS strength is limited only by how much time the user wants to spend preparing for battle. In 4U Especially the SnS ability to use items without sheathing was incredibly powerful. If you haven't seen it before, look up 4U style bombing videos.
My headcanon for a lot of the forbidden weapons that refer to hunters using or interacting with them in their flavor text is that the weapons did exist in the setting, but were the signature weapons of hunters who have since been unpersoned by the Guild due to going rogue. That would also provide an in-universe reason why you're forbidden to take them on most quests.
A fun fact about the Awaritia is that the name "Awaritia" can be spelled as "Avaritia", which is "Greed" in latin, thus, connecting the name with the description of the weapon
i really hope we get gogmazio weapons and armor again one day. They were just so good; namielle sort of fills the niche, but they're uniquely good in their own terms.
This has unlocked an old memory where I swear someone located evidence that Capcom was going to release DLC weapons that blew the regular weapons out of the water. Now I think I heard this about a decade ago now so I may be horribly misremembering something
Appreciate you putting in the time to make videos about MH3U and 4U cut content. It's obvious you put in a lot of time making these videos. I do have a problem with the framing though, as it's a little on the sensational end. Most of this information was relatively well-circulated among forums like reddit/GameFaqs (which is where I'd credit most of the datamines/discovery of mh4u cut content) and even if there's never been official word on what their intended purpose is, there's no need for all the open-ended questions/speculation. As many in the comments have already noted, the 'forbidden weapons' were most likely used for developer testing. And their descriptions were localized because there was nothing in the text files flagging them as cut content. The reason you can't use them outside of expeditions is because using save editors/action replay to cheat or host unreleased content was already common practice in certain areas of the community. Devs were certainly aware of this, since other content like the Ms MH Puppet weapons were flagged to be unusable in multiplayer at launch.
I think that's some fair criticism. Honestly the framing is in part of playing into the coolness of the concept of these weapons existing in the first place. That being said, sometimes researching something like this, I don't have access to information that was readily known back in the day, so I just try my best to contextualize everything to my existing knowledge coupled with what I can find. I can understand that not being 100% correct on every aspect is not ideal for everyone, but I try my best to give out accurate information to the best of my ability as well as have these videos be something actually interesting to watch and engage with for both new and old hunters. Ultimately I'm just one person working on these videos, but I will try my best to improve.
Just wanted to make sure you know I really do like the video. I'd never personally taken the time to read all of the item descriptions myself, so it was a great watch. I understand the impulse to mystify the presentation and add a little extra flair because you might be worries it's not interesting/engaging enough, but there's plenty of people who'd appreciate the complete picture. Even if this stuff was kind of well-known trivia on the forums 8-10 years ago, it's starting to become "lost media" of a sort. I'm sure there's a ton of new/veteran players who'd never heard of this stuff before and would still find it super interesting in its full context.
@@flyann2 Thanks for the reply and thanks for documenting all this old MH stuff. I'm watching the new vid on Dynamic Hunting and appreciate the lengths you went through to play a working version of that game. It's an extremely thorough look at what it was like.
You pronounced the weapon names correctly which was a delight to hear. I probably wouldn't be able to pronounce the French in the Shagaru Magala weapons very well, but you did great. The German in the Gore Magala weapons is much easier for me but but you've done a lot better. Dunno, just something I found pretty neat. Morgenröte means "dawn," lit. "morning redness." Since the weapon's name is Fallen Morgenröte, it is probably a reference to Lucifer, as Lucifer is also the name of the morning star, and Lucifer the Biblical figure is of course a fallen angel. Fun fact, "morning star" in German is "Morgenstern." (I have a dragon character with that name, and he's inspired partly by Fatalis)
i would love it if the "wyvern Seidel" was actually connected to or a reference to anything, and not just some name they came up with for a random weapon description no one would ever see
FF6 is my favorite game of all time. To see that it has a hidden reference in my very first Monster Hunter game from all those years ago gives me a new appreciation for Capcom.
I can't even begin to tell you how much I enjoyed this video dude. MH4U holds a special place in my heart, I poured 1000+ hours into it, and MH lore always gets me excited. I'm only into the top 15 weapons as I type this, can't wait to see more!!
Boomer/nostalgia/gatekeeping idc what you call it, MH4U was the best MH I’ve ever played and the one I put the most time in. Two new weapon types, online non local multiplayer on handheld, new mechanics, amazing flagship monster. Here’s to hoping Wild can top my expectations.
I just had an idea for getting these weapons, the order you get them depends on how much you've used each weapon. You get Ultima relics, as a quest reward and there are no duplicates. The quest would be called "Abandoned by time" The description would be: I hoped that someone would be able to wield these weapons, perhaps that is you. Complete this quest and prove yourself worthy of these relics of times long forgotten, however you may have to complete it several times."-Man in Red
Man its so cool to learn something new about my favorite game. The damage numbers are absurdly awesome. lol Thanks for all the info about these forbidden weapons!
Olvid seems to be based on the spanish word olvido, which means oblivion or forgoten, while Shah is what the kings of Iran used to be called. The Emperor of Oblivion and the Bloodseeker King... Intimidating, don´t you think?
Oh boy MH4U was everything for me at the time, as u mentioned, we stumbled upon a save editor software and made tons of broken quests for online play, some of them were absolute madness, like a Gore Magala that could oneshot with every attack and was bigger than the actual map
Probably late saying this, but Awaritia seems like an alternate spelling of Avaritia, or greed in Latin I believe. It survives as "avaricia", meaning avarice, or greed, in Spanish. I believe it refers specifically to monetary greed, but I'm not sure. If you pronounce the w as a v, which a few languages do, and the t as a sh sound, which flyann 2 themselves do, you get a pretty close iteration to the latin word. It's almost like a fictional way of saying avarice in German lol, which is "gier" by the way.
I would hazard a guess that these weapons were used as test weapons by the devs to help balance the weapon upgrade system to monster health pools. Or, in the case of Dancing Mad, unused references to other non-Mh titles that didn’t receive a special quest to unlock them and were repurposed for testing. Or they’re just dev toys that they used to have fun in the game while still under development
There are also hidden gems that exists in mh4u which gives you the points toward the dual armor skills like 'edgemaster'. However, you were able to take those online last time I played with it.
oh lord i'm remembering the 700 hours i put into 4u on an original 3ds, with no circle pad. 10/10 game i got a +13 artillery charm with 3 slots and was one of the 5 gunlancers who played online
To answer your questions, these weapons were likely created to help the devs test the game and fight monsters quickly. And they added the names and descriptions for fun
I wonder if 'Endless Loop' is based on the Record we sent into space for aliens to find Cuz it looks very space age or futuristic, and it has a gold record that makes music
They're most likely dev weapons - ones they made for themselves to have fun with. Could also be OP weapons they gave to game journalists so they could get through the game faster for pre-release reviews.
I wonder if Forbidden Weapons were specifically made dev-weapons to speed run through the game's fights to check if they were up to scratch or if there were any coding hitches
@@lucienhaulotte4049 I'm not blind. That's why the resolution is so low. That's why I'm asking if he didn't choose an emulator because the editor doesn't work for it.
i dont think is the best game of the franchise (that goes to MHFU OFC), but after 600hrs, gotta say, it made online GOOD, and having actualy upgrades from playing on a base 3DS to New 3ds, load times improved, fps doubled, and it even had upgraded textures, it made playing it a treat on the new console with its dedicated weird nipple, loved every second of it
Wonder if stuff like this was intended for event distributions that just never happened. Every Pokémon game since GSC has stuff that’s implemented and working, but never used; this could be something along the same lines.
Oof, having just watched The Forbidden weapons of Tri, I'm reminded that the biggest tragedy of the 4th generation of monster hunter is that it was released exclusively for the 3DS. The 3DS display is impressive in it's own right, and the game does look okay on that small screen. But it kind of bites that the only way to experience MH4U, the best monster hunter game (imo), is in 800x240p.
The hunting horn saying 'secrets of the cosmos' plus the gold plate, I think it might be a reference to the voyager probe and its golden record. The plate contained a bunch of math stuff in case of aliens finding it.
Ooooh good catch!!
I literally came down here to comment this exact thing so I'm glad I checked if anyone else had called it lol
it also has a bunch of music on it
I like to think that it ended up in the MH world and instead of deciphering it, they instead put it on a hunting horn for shits and giggles
@@LTDoge-dm3jrthat's so in character for the mh people
I can't help but think these weapons were probably made for developer testing and debugging and whatnot. But the fact they explicitly barred you from taking them on quests leads me to believe that Capcom knew full well people would try to get ahold of them regardless but didn't feel like banning people left and right. So it feels like a mix of ultra-secret datamine lore and dev debug kit, it's honestly quite cool.
oh they fully well know, 1st day release of the game, people were already running around in White Fatalis Armor lmao... and that monster wasn't available to hunt officially yet.
We insta kick them from any room.
As someone who joined with monster hunter world, I enjoy these videos showing the older games and the lore
Yeah World was my first, but I bought 3, 4, and Generations Ultimate so that I can catch up on at least some of the classics! Not sure if I can go as far back as Dos or the original though lol, we'll have to see how those 3 go first
@@svenbtb I just got a 3ds and 4u after beating world and rise, and it's crazy how well the older games hold up.
I started with World but bought 3U, 4U and Generations for my 3DS. Atm I'm playing Rise but the older games are still very fun imo
I’m also excited for the next gen games, I’ve imagined some ways they could take
@@Hamieeethere better then worlds
in case you didn't know, weapon #22 endless loop is a reference to the Voyager Golden Record, a golden disc that NASA sent into space that contains a bunch of information on who we are and where we come from (humans).
And it just reached the Heliosphere a few years back, right? Like within the last 5?
Took a few decades to make it out there, and we'll never receive messages from it again. I hope it doesn't get all jacked up in the cosmic radiation
Something I've not seen mentioned is that the Demon Valkcreed's description is in reference to the Valkyrie Brynhild, who is cursed to kill everyone she falls in love with
You actually need at least 10x the subs you have on this channel. These videos are fascinating.
Damn, 80 subs that’s crazy!
@@jacobbalzer8755 Are you making fun of my comment or praising my subscriber count? I genuinely cannot tell.
@@Traumachu i think he's referencing the joke in the beginning of the video where flyann makes a joke about needing 7 more subscribers to reach 8 subs which makes 80 when multiplied by 10
@@spacebat3657 ah, that makes sense. Messages online can be hard to "read", thank you.
@@Traumachu np
the IGs are actually pretty cracked, since you can just set the kinsects to Bilbobrix with the stats you want when editing them
this also lets you hone all the weapons
Yeah that's true, but you can also just edit all the stats to be insanely strong with the same method... so it just depends where you draw the line on these kind of enhancements
@@flyann2 yea, that's fair
This is probably the most fascinated I've been with individual weapons in this series. You did such a great job delving into each one and giving them the respect they deserve. Awesome video as always.
*I hope you guys enjoyed the video!! Put a lot of time and effort into this one ^___^*
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UPDATE: TGS did not go as planned.. LOL
I enjoyed the heck out of the video, flyann 😃!! Thank you for making this!!
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The one single thing I loved the most about monster hunter 4 uilmate are the intro cutscene for monsters seeing your! Character interact with the world is so immersive and cool plus! They added for other players so if your in a intro cutscene it includes your fello hunters with there own Armor imagining modelling and using every Armor in the game for cutscenes and they all react like their there with you no hunter game has done that since
I completely agree. And there were so many of them too! Really made you feel immersed in its world
The cutscenes are rendered in game, that's why armors and equipment appear. Still, they are great.
The "Dos Exile" kinda freaks me out for a reason no one would know without a little story. A while back I was looking through Mods for MHW when I found a skin mod for the Gogmazios Greatsword "Monument of Lament". It is a BEAUTIFULY made mod with custom fx layered on top of Shara Ishvalda's Greatsword and I basically set my goal in my new playthrough of World from scratch, to get that weapon. To EARN that weapon. I was making lore for my character along the way. Having started with MH4U, I took my character from that and based the story off him with some twist. I was weaving in other content I love and obvious headcannons that weren't true, but were realistic enough to sound true (It was lore just for me so it only ever had to be "good enough"). Oceaniz's MH Ecology - Forbidden Episode was a HUGE inspiration at the time.
I left to hunt Gogmazios and it disappeared, but so did I. While everyone praised and mourned me, the guild knew. I had done nothing and yet by a stroke of luck Gogmazios was gone. I was too afraid to anything, and so I was exhiled and on the run. This pretty much plays on the fact that despite my few hundred hours on the game, I've never actually beaten MH4U. I've reached G Rank, but nothing more. I felt that I didn't deserve that Gogmazios weapon even if it was just a skin. That MHWorld playthrough was like a redemption for myself. I still feel like I need to go back and earn it in MH4U, and maybe one day I will.
I just think its kinda odd how things lined up. "Exhile", "fabled warrior", the gogmazios weapon model, the ambiguous nature of the sword's true form vs the truth behind my character. I know that this is kinda corny, but this is just something I wanted to share. A personal MH story/experience. "The best stories are the ones that we find for ourselves." - Tomkon
This man has some of the best annunciation and diction on the whole of the internet, it's impressive how you make sure each line is delivered the way you want it to be and it makes me want to listen to every interesting detailed/dramatic recitation of the names and descriptions.
I love you you presented the weapons as if you're selling them at an auction, the jazzy vibe of the video is really nice
Honestly I find it really cool that the devs bothered to add unique descriptions for each weapon which also got translated.
They probably got localized simply due to them being on the same table/list as the other weapons, but it unintentionally adds to the "forbidden" feeling within the in-game lore itself.
It's like we're getting bits of extra lore from the ancient civilizations that left the Tower and the ruins all over the old world.
What a treat to watch another forbidden weapons video! MH4U was my first MH game so to see this feels amazing. Would love to see more.
I love MH4U and it'll forever be one of my fav game, thank you for making this, brings back so much memories!
That 400 paralyze got me acting unwise
Lmao watch the Tri forbidden weapon, the lance entry has 880 paralysis 😂😂😂
Ahhhh. I love 4 ultimate, it was my first monster hunter, will never forget
We 100% need a weapon design review now, I love your commentary!
You know it's gonna be a good day when flyann2 posts!
literally found your channel like 2 days ago through your forbidden mh3u weapons video, looked through your channel for a mh4u video to not find one and now here we are. its like you knew
One of the best Monster Hunter channels on this platform if not the best.
Fun fact did you also know there are forbidden armor sets in the game you use save editor and you get a fatalis looking armor set and an alatreon armor set for GX
For fatalis its
GX dragoncasque X
GX Dragonarmor X
GX Dragonarms X
GX Dragonbase X
And GX Dragoncuisses X
And for alatreon
GX escadoracasque
GX escadora armor
GX escadora arms
GX escadora base
And GX escadora cuisses
These are armors are VERY good but you cant have ANY of them on for quests
From what i could dig up from these armors they were supposed to be dlc you could buy to get ahead at the start of the game or just in general but capcom faced alot of backlash and so they never let them in if theres a more accurate or official source on why they arent in id like to know cause i got this info from like reddit and faq boards
The timing of this video couldn't be better.
Ya
@@unholymrdoo8852Might be because the Capcom TGS stream is happening tomorrow at 7am (PDT) and it’s rumoured that the new monster hunter generation will be announced
@@unholymrdoo8852the Tokyo game show is tomorrow and Capcom will *allegedly* announce the next monster hunter game
@@GojiraX556god willing 🙏
@@GojiraX556danm now im hyped
Been anticipating this video since your last forbidden weapons one. Thanks for the upload king 👑
Who'd knew, a clown turned god would use an Insect Glaive
Br uh 😂
Beautiful video. Damn near brought a tear to my eye. The memories made with this franchise...
So about the Crooked Blades, some sleep plus high raw (like with the Eternal Leavetakers (Gog DBs)) wound up being really good for solo play if I remember my 4U. The sleep+wakeup animation let you get in a couple of demon dances on their weakspot. Great for matchups like Brachy and Rajang, where the place you wanted to stick on didn't have good ele htizone values.
That was amazing timing. I watched the first video with the Tri weapons literally a few hours before you posted this one. Bwahahaha! Nicely done, I love your video style and hope you keep it up and reach success!
Back in your video on Tri's forbidden weapons, I said that those weapons were mostly for early to mid-G-Rank. But these guys are definitely beyond anything even Sunbreak has unless it's fully kitted out with Qurious augments - especially on the element side.
Also, the descriptions for some of these weapons absolutely screams "super-secret lore".
wouldn't surprise me if these are dev/QA testing weapons (maybe powerful testing weapons based off of the corresponding dev/QA tester's favorite wep designs?)
The thing that filters out these from usable weapons for quests is not the weapon files themselves, its an abnormal true attack or awakened element.
The "forbidden" weapons have either 420 true attack or an absurd amount of awakened element. the game is able to detect this and limit admission onto quests. the reason it is the actual values and not the weapons themselves can be proved with taking relics with modified "abnormal" stats and being given the same message. there are some unique characteristics when it comes to certain limits on displayed raw. 420 true attack is the highest that will ever show on your stat screen, you could mod in a 3000+ (550+ true) damage switch axe relic and when you equip it, it will tell you that you have 2268 attack on your stat screen (which is 420 and the same as the "forbidden" shah bloodseeker). it might also be worth noting that every weapon thats in the game naturally is a multiple of 10 true attack, thats why there is always at least 14 damage gap between two different damage sword&shields or 54 damage for switch axes etc... this is notable for this scenario as many true attacks that are not a multiple of 10 will get barred from quests, just like these weapons in the video. there are supposedly some irregularities with this as i found a 2019 discord message of myself claiming that trying 2 true and 22 true lead me to get that same message, but i was allowed to take 2.66666667... raw without any issues. unfortunately i didnt look into it enough to confirm whether or not it is ACTUALLY true.
If you noticed how i said specifically *awakened* element, this is actually because if your element is locked/unawakened it bypasses the weapon restrictions. if i took a pair of dual blades that have 26,000 awakened element, they would not be allowed on a quest. HOWEVER if it was 26k locked element it can slip through undetected EVEN IF you use the awaken or enlightened blade skills meaning you can actually take these weapons in any quest and melt monsters without any problems. if you have played a great deal of mh4u online you might be familiar with a similar concept available to power-savers, however they are able to do this only with abnormal status effects, you might see someone with infinite para lock the monster down forever, or put them in a sleep loop, or even proc a blast with every attack. and while that is strong, it doesnt really stand up to the element versions that kill most monsters in a couple seconds. you might read this and think "thats broken why would you ever do that" but uhhh 1. while i did make these weapons when editing the game, i made sure to not use them in any way that could ruin my experience with the game (and the fact i was hr999 with every armor/weapon i ever actually wanted at that point) and 2. NONE of this actually matters when there are cheat plugins that people can use with custom firmware that can just set monster hp to 1 for a guaranteed insta-kill.
There is quite a lot more interesting things ive found while playing around with save editors on mh4u, i could talk about them a bit but i think ive rambled on a bit too much already about meaningless things in this game, and i apologise to anyone who actually took time to read all of this.
I keep hoping they'll refresh the relic system for the next game. Some of the armors looked sooo cool. One of the Dalamadur themed sets made you look like a Paladin of Bahamut.
One of the Royal Ludroth sets made female hunters look like a grown up Miss Forge! I actually made a second character to try and get that armor. Was never able to collect the full set though. Maybe I'll try and find my old game
Also the SnS should be much higher on the list. Especially the dragon element one. I'd probably never take it off if there was a legit way to get it. Unless I felt bad for the monsters dying too quick.
There's no real downside to them, Raw being the most important Stat 99% of the time in 4U. Unlike the gimmicky weapons losing their gimmick, lvl kinsects and gunlance shells and crappy songs: SnS strength is limited only by how much time the user wants to spend preparing for battle. In 4U Especially the SnS ability to use items without sheathing was incredibly powerful.
If you haven't seen it before, look up 4U style bombing videos.
The moonlit Phoenix description mentions a revered moon goddess; A reference to Artemis, A moon goddess known for her skill in archery
My headcanon for a lot of the forbidden weapons that refer to hunters using or interacting with them in their flavor text is that the weapons did exist in the setting, but were the signature weapons of hunters who have since been unpersoned by the Guild due to going rogue. That would also provide an in-universe reason why you're forbidden to take them on most quests.
A fun fact about the Awaritia is that the name "Awaritia" can be spelled as "Avaritia", which is "Greed" in latin, thus, connecting the name with the description of the weapon
i really hope we get gogmazio weapons and armor again one day. They were just so good; namielle sort of fills the niche, but they're uniquely good in their own terms.
11:15 Ah, yes, the Gauss-Seidel method. Our old numerical friend🥰
I like how forbidden weapons give lore about things you never see such as hunters fighting each other or wars so they are giving forbidden knowledge
This has unlocked an old memory where I swear someone located evidence that Capcom was going to release DLC weapons that blew the regular weapons out of the water. Now I think I heard this about a decade ago now so I may be horribly misremembering something
Appreciate you putting in the time to make videos about MH3U and 4U cut content. It's obvious you put in a lot of time making these videos.
I do have a problem with the framing though, as it's a little on the sensational end. Most of this information was relatively well-circulated among forums like reddit/GameFaqs (which is where I'd credit most of the datamines/discovery of mh4u cut content) and even if there's never been official word on what their intended purpose is, there's no need for all the open-ended questions/speculation. As many in the comments have already noted, the 'forbidden weapons' were most likely used for developer testing. And their descriptions were localized because there was nothing in the text files flagging them as cut content.
The reason you can't use them outside of expeditions is because using save editors/action replay to cheat or host unreleased content was already common practice in certain areas of the community. Devs were certainly aware of this, since other content like the Ms MH Puppet weapons were flagged to be unusable in multiplayer at launch.
I think that's some fair criticism. Honestly the framing is in part of playing into the coolness of the concept of these weapons existing in the first place.
That being said, sometimes researching something like this, I don't have access to information that was readily known back in the day, so I just try my best to contextualize everything to my existing knowledge coupled with what I can find. I can understand that not being 100% correct on every aspect is not ideal for everyone, but I try my best to give out accurate information to the best of my ability as well as have these videos be something actually interesting to watch and engage with for both new and old hunters.
Ultimately I'm just one person working on these videos, but I will try my best to improve.
Just wanted to make sure you know I really do like the video. I'd never personally taken the time to read all of the item descriptions myself, so it was a great watch.
I understand the impulse to mystify the presentation and add a little extra flair because you might be worries it's not interesting/engaging enough, but there's plenty of people who'd appreciate the complete picture.
Even if this stuff was kind of well-known trivia on the forums 8-10 years ago, it's starting to become "lost media" of a sort. I'm sure there's a ton of new/veteran players who'd never heard of this stuff before and would still find it super interesting in its full context.
@@flyann2 Thanks for the reply and thanks for documenting all this old MH stuff.
I'm watching the new vid on Dynamic Hunting and appreciate the lengths you went through to play a working version of that game. It's an extremely thorough look at what it was like.
I like how dancing mad looks it’s like a Halbert my favorite kind of weapon
28:37 Funny how the one where you said "I hope I said that right" was the closest to being understandable in German. 👍
You pronounced the weapon names correctly which was a delight to hear. I probably wouldn't be able to pronounce the French in the Shagaru Magala weapons very well, but you did great. The German in the Gore Magala weapons is much easier for me but but you've done a lot better. Dunno, just something I found pretty neat. Morgenröte means "dawn," lit. "morning redness." Since the weapon's name is Fallen Morgenröte, it is probably a reference to Lucifer, as Lucifer is also the name of the morning star, and Lucifer the Biblical figure is of course a fallen angel.
Fun fact, "morning star" in German is "Morgenstern." (I have a dragon character with that name, and he's inspired partly by Fatalis)
i would love it if the "wyvern Seidel" was actually connected to or a reference to anything, and not just some name they came up with for a random weapon description no one would ever see
FF6 is my favorite game of all time. To see that it has a hidden reference in my very first Monster Hunter game from all those years ago gives me a new appreciation for Capcom.
Im so glad you have some attention man! This content is great!
I love your channel so much, it has this nostalgic feel to it. Keep it up my guy
Im very glad to be flyann2's only subscriber
The way you talk about Expeditions in 4 makes it sound like its exclusive to 4 when it was carried over to every game that came out after it
YESSS I WAS WAITING FOR THIS love your content man you deserve way more subs then you have
I can't even begin to tell you how much I enjoyed this video dude. MH4U holds a special place in my heart, I poured 1000+ hours into it, and MH lore always gets me excited. I'm only into the top 15 weapons as I type this, can't wait to see more!!
Boomer/nostalgia/gatekeeping idc what you call it, MH4U was the best MH I’ve ever played and the one I put the most time in. Two new weapon types, online non local multiplayer on handheld, new mechanics, amazing flagship monster. Here’s to hoping Wild can top my expectations.
I just had an idea for getting these weapons, the order you get them depends on how much you've used each weapon. You get Ultima relics, as a quest reward and there are no duplicates. The quest would be called "Abandoned by time" The description would be:
I hoped that someone would be able to wield these weapons, perhaps that is you. Complete this quest and prove yourself worthy of these relics of times long forgotten, however you may have to complete it several times."-Man in Red
I loved 4-ult since it was the first MH game i truly played through with friends and everything. An absolutely wonderful experience to this day
Man its so cool to learn something new about my favorite game. The damage numbers are absurdly awesome. lol
Thanks for all the info about these forbidden weapons!
Olvid seems to be based on the spanish word olvido, which means oblivion or forgoten, while Shah is what the kings of Iran used to be called. The Emperor of Oblivion and the Bloodseeker King... Intimidating, don´t you think?
It's always a good day when a Flyaan 2 video comes out
The Dancing Mad Insect Glaive being an FF6 reference makes me happy.
the fact that the game still looks good after all of these years is crazy
Oh boy MH4U was everything for me at the time, as u mentioned, we stumbled upon a save editor software and made tons of broken quests for online play, some of them were absolute madness, like a Gore Magala that could oneshot with every attack and was bigger than the actual map
Glad you made this. I've been waiting so long
I'm a huge sucker for any thing with a Magala origin design and I'm so happy that a lot of these wepons have them.
The DOS Exile looks crazy. Even better on the upscaled HD texture pack version of the game
Probably late saying this, but Awaritia seems like an alternate spelling of Avaritia, or greed in Latin I believe. It survives as "avaricia", meaning avarice, or greed, in Spanish. I believe it refers specifically to monetary greed, but I'm not sure. If you pronounce the w as a v, which a few languages do, and the t as a sh sound, which flyann 2 themselves do, you get a pretty close iteration to the latin word.
It's almost like a fictional way of saying avarice in German lol, which is "gier" by the way.
Glad that a Charge Blade is the 2nd most powerful weapon on that list.
Charge Blade is for the elite 👀🔥
Relic weapons are basically kulve weapons, random but some of the best stuff in the game.
ayo thanks homie. actually didn't know that
My first guess for what HOS stood for was "Hunk of Steel"
Always love watching your videos. Keep up the great work yo!
Now this is what I call perfect timing!
See you tomorrow if you know what I mean
This was super cool. Do we know if the forbidden weapons were ever planned to be usable, or were they like for development testing?
one month later up by 46k good stuff man hope to see you continue to rise
And here I was thinking Magnet Spike or Accel Axe
Man. I know they wouldn't but if they ever remastered a monster hunter, this one has got to be the one
I would hazard a guess that these weapons were used as test weapons by the devs to help balance the weapon upgrade system to monster health pools. Or, in the case of Dancing Mad, unused references to other non-Mh titles that didn’t receive a special quest to unlock them and were repurposed for testing.
Or they’re just dev toys that they used to have fun in the game while still under development
Your subscriber count jokes always make me smile. Great video as always!
These are the most edgiest weapons I've ever heard of, and that's awesome as hell!
Sometimes I wish there was more of this in the modern games.
This video hit me with so much nostalgia
It must be my birthday, new Flyann2 drop on my favorite MH game. Papa bless
0:20 MY MAAAAN 💪✊🫡🤝🙌🫶
There are also hidden gems that exists in mh4u which gives you the points toward the dual armor skills like 'edgemaster'. However, you were able to take those online last time I played with it.
You saying "Teufelschleuder" was actually pretty on point. It means "Devil slingshot" btw
oh lord i'm remembering the 700 hours i put into 4u on an original 3ds, with no circle pad. 10/10 game i got a +13 artillery charm with 3 slots and was one of the 5 gunlancers who played online
To answer your questions, these weapons were likely created to help the devs test the game and fight monsters quickly. And they added the names and descriptions for fun
I am beyond excited for tomorrow.
I love these so much. MH needs more connected lore and you are doing the lords work here.
I wonder if 'Endless Loop' is based on the Record we sent into space for aliens to find
Cuz it looks very space age or futuristic, and it has a gold record that makes music
Finally, we have been blessed with another video!
As a Wolverine fan weapons like the Crooked Blades would be very tempting to main.
Really love these videos, MH4U is my first and favourite game and looking at these weapons makes me so happy
They're most likely dev weapons - ones they made for themselves to have fun with. Could also be OP weapons they gave to game journalists so they could get through the game faster for pre-release reviews.
I wonder if Forbidden Weapons were specifically made dev-weapons to speed run through the game's fights to check if they were up to scratch or if there were any coding hitches
Does the save editor not work on Emulators? Citra allows for higher resolutions and the footage here is very pixelated.
Or he has the material to capture 3ds footage or its other gameplay
@@lucienhaulotte4049 I'm not blind. That's why the resolution is so low. That's why I'm asking if he didn't choose an emulator because the editor doesn't work for it.
i dont think is the best game of the franchise (that goes to MHFU OFC), but after 600hrs, gotta say, it made online GOOD, and having actualy upgrades from playing on a base 3DS to New 3ds, load times improved, fps doubled, and it even had upgraded textures, it made playing it a treat on the new console with its dedicated weird nipple, loved every second of it
There’s alot of OC potential from of these weapons. Don’t have any of my own but it’s a nice thought.
I remember owning all those weapons they were the special event weapons. Unless their were weapons that had the same skin but different effects.
Oh boy, now i cant wait to see what forbidden weapons Generations and GU had!
Wonder if stuff like this was intended for event distributions that just never happened. Every Pokémon game since GSC has stuff that’s implemented and working, but never used; this could be something along the same lines.
Oof, having just watched The Forbidden weapons of Tri, I'm reminded that the biggest tragedy of the 4th generation of monster hunter is that it was released exclusively for the 3DS.
The 3DS display is impressive in it's own right, and the game does look okay on that small screen. But it kind of bites that the only way to experience MH4U, the best monster hunter game (imo), is in 800x240p.
"Awaritia" might be a weird translation of "Avaritia", the Latin word for greed (see English "avarice")
i dont put flyann videos on in the background cause i pay attention