This bs happened to me once in sunbreak I wanted hardhorns and shards for the armor guess what I got in replacement of these things……..SIX FUCKING BLOODSTONES SIX MANTLES SIX!!!!
I just need 3 Barioth spikes, it's low rank item and it's 15% chance by breaking the wings... It wouldn't take long I said... 12 hunts later, not even 1 of the 3 remaining I needed... All because I wanted to hunt Jhen solo in the village quest...
In a recent mhw playthrough i could not for the life if me get the wyvern gem i needed for a high rank bow, my most recent playthrough with a friend the first monster i killed that could drop one did but i didn’t need it
Remember the four crests of the Hunter's Guild, "respect for nature" is the highest and "crafting from nature" is the lowest. You activate the desire sensor's curse by swapping these positions.
The true desire sensor experience is always getting super rare materials you don't need while being denied rare materials you actually do need. Also on the same hunt you get the final piece you also always get one extra
I know this feel in an insane way. In Generations. (not ultimate). I hunted a village Kushala... On the tail carve. Gem. And a shiny drop. Gem. AND ON THE REWARD SCREEN. TWO MORE GEMS! In one hunt I got 4 Kushala Gems.
Farmed Gravios in 4U for the G armor. Needed one pallium (Gravios mantle). Took me about 20 to 30 hunts to get it. Later when helping randoms farm Gravios, I got two in a row.
This theory is just my headcanon and I have no way to actually prove it other than from my own experience. So I actually believe there is an ingame mechanic that lowers the drop rate of certain items you're looking for. So in flyann's example he needed the Ceadeus tail, he then goes to the smithy and looks at the weapon he wants to craft and the items needed, the game recognizes this, and when he goes to hunt Ceadeus the drop rate for tail will be lowered. So my solution to this is to trick the game into thinking I need another item, so lets say I need the Ceadeus tail, I would then go and look into another weapon like a Rathalos Great Sword that requires a ruby, after looking at the weapon a couple of times at the smithy I would then go and complete a couple of Rathalos quests to trick the game into thinking I need a ruby, but I actually needed a Ceadeus tail. So now I go and farm Ceadeus WITHOUT looking at his weapon. This may sound stupid but I genuinely believe it works, I have been doing this since 3U and I rarely encounter a monster that I need to farm a long time to get his rare item.
you are right bro this actually works, i always hunt a monster 3 times without looking at its armor and it gives me almost everything to craft that armor
No way of proving this, but it is essentially what I believe as well. I think, I *feel*, that somehow the game considers things like the weapons you are using, the equipment you are viewing, and the monsters you are hunting to make an educated calculation on what it is you want... And then withold it mercilessly. With of course the caveat being that if you are hunting in a party then inevitably, without fail, you will get the drops your partner wants and they will get the drops you want, with no way to trade.
For similar reasons, I always eat before confirming the quest in Gen and earlier games. If I confirm the quest first, I’m certain it makes sure the food that will help the most isn’t the one that’s “fresh” or w/e that time.
The desire sensor is indeed a cruel mistress. I remember back in the 3U days I really needed a Zinogre Skyemerald and asked one of my friends to help me get it. We hunted 37 of the bastards and I didn't get a single one. But you know how many my friend got? A LOT. Edit for the end of 2022: Was not expecting this to get this much traction but I'm absolutely loving hearing about everyone's stories with the desire sensor. Please by all means keep sharing your stories no matter how old this comment gets. In recent desire sensor news, I have not gotten a single Rathalos Mantle since sunbreak released, I have however gotten 18 Rathian Mantles and over 20 of her Rubies.
Yeah this happens whenever I help my friends grind. In the case of the zinogre skymerald I got 5 of them in the first 3 hunts while my friend got squat from many, many more hunts. To this day my item chest gets loaded with rare drops I never asked for, the desire sensor has truly weaponised my disgusting luck...
Reminds me of fighting rathalos 32 times in 3u to get that one rath ruby for the armor set, also reminds me of gu where i was practically swimming in several rare drops because the deviants drop them so frequently
@@DevilJhoMamame and my buddy got so efficient at killing Legiana for that damn gem that we could one cycle her, killing her in about a minute, and capturing her in two
I remember when Kulve Taroth first released in world, my friend needed a glimstone from her. At the time melding them wasn't an option since Capcom made it to where every new title update you can't meld the rare drop until the next one releases. So we decided to try breaking the plating from the horns with the cannons instead of doing the full seige since it was just the 2 of us. We started around 10 pm one night, on pursuit level one. Sometimes we weren't consistent with the cannonballs so we had to do damage with our weapons instead. Whenever we got to pursuit level 3, we had a more consistent strategy down, 2 loaded cannons and a guaranteed plating break every time within 2 minutes of starting. We ended up getting maximum pursuit level, I ended up with FIFTEEN glimstones, 3 of which I carved in a single attempt, before she got one. She finally got one to drop at about 5 am, 7 HOURS after we began. At that point we said fuck it and finished the seige anyways since it was max level and would be easy. We break the horns and 3 of 4 of her carves yielded glimstones. Desire sensor is a bitch.
for me, it was the raging brachydios' immortal reactor in 4U which took 48 hunts to get. at the time I had a dream in which I hunted a blue yian kut-ku in the arena and got the reactor as a shiny drop and woke up crying tears of joy. good times
I am beginning to feel as if this so called "Desire-Sensor" is more prevalent in older titles, in MHW:I you basically get an Immortal Reactor every hunt for the Raging Brachydios.
I remember when cha cha needed "Sharq skin" for his water mask, and the story would not progress without killing a sharq and harvesting it... except when you KILLED the sharqs, they ran AWAY and didnt drop shit...... took me 4 months to figure out i needed a harpoon to kill the damn things, talk about GRIND
I REALLY miss Qurupeco haha 😂 such a chaotic fun hunt. Back in Tri I would always use each monster against each other by default and it's been this way until this day. Off topic, it's so iconic now to hear your voice with Jazz that it's weird when it's not present haha
I love that everyone has their grinding horror story. I'll never forget grinding gore magala (MH4U was my first ever monster hunter) to craft its insect glaive and getting hit by desire sensor for the first time. Can't even remember the final hunt count, but it was easily dozens and dozens of hunts, and I think it was really the moment I knew I was in too deep with this series lmao good shit on powering through this wyvern stone grind! I love the way you told this story so much, can't wait to see even more from you ;o;
Gore isnt such a bad monster to grind considering how fun the fight is i remember grinding for the hammer but i didnt feel like i spent that much time on it because that fight is just so good (i probably grindet all the magalas to hell and back)
The most nutty drop I've ever gotten in Monster Hunter was in Iceborne, my first Furious Rajang hunt following it's release I got, not one, but three Rajang Hearts, in my hunt rewards. I didn't even want the hearts for any equipment, wasn't even thinking about it. So yes, Desire Sensor is both a vengeful and a generous God.
This video hits deep. Reminds me of farming G Rank Narga in Unite with my friend. Just need one mantle and after FOURTEEN straight hours of grinding, I had nothing. Meanwhile he sat on double digits of mantles. Also reminds me of wasting a Lagi Saphhire on the Epitaph Blade in Tri to show it off in person to my friend who grinded Lagi for two weeks for it 😂
What's the drop that took you the longest to get? *edit for the dungbomb andies in the comments: they have a low rate of actually making a monster switch zones in Tri so I opted not to use them (they sucked)
The Desire Sensor affects me a lot. I'll be swimming in gems when I don't need them, then once I do, can't get a single one. I was lucky with Narwa in Rise however, as well as Ibushi in getting their orbs
Dude this was an INCREDIBLE video. Super relatable. Took me back to the endless hours of grinding in 4u, who knew that misery is something I would someday be nostalgic for lol
The way to have tricked the desire sensor is to hunt the guest deviljho for better armor too, which also important in the quest of making high rank easier for future fights by using peco as a proxy for an endgame base defense. (Atleast I hope it's so for TRI not all the entries allow you to see the armor by just owning enough drops)
As an avid monster hunter player this video hit so hard lol. I’ve missed out on the most common drops I’ve needed in some quests (think the equivalent of scales) when trying to make new gear. The crazy drop rate I ever got was getting 3 Zinogre Skyemeralds in MHGU after I finished grinding for a weapon. The Desire Sensor really hurts sometimes.
My worst desire sensor story, was when i was trying to upgrade the jhen sw to its final level in tri. I needed just 1 twisted horn from diablos to make ir. Took me and my friend about 70-80 hunts for it. Over the course of this grind he got like 10+ of it. On top of this i kept getting the more rare majestic horn from diablos. The desire sensor is real and this is my anecdotal proof.
This reminds me of when i fell in love-hate with the series. I wanted to make nargacuga X armor in MH3U, i liked the ninja look and thought the skills would help me keep up with my friends who were dragging my plebness through G rank at the time. until then i just thought the game was a good time with friends but this was my first bona fide solo memory. best quest was hunt two green nargacuga, needed a single nargacuga mantle, 3% per carve, 1% per quest reward, 2% per shiny drop, 3% per head break. I think the game was saying "so you want to not drag down your friends by dying... well then, you are just gonna have to get good no DODGE." 50 quests later and not a single mantle in sight. however i had become a master nargacuga hunter, i had learned his every move by heart, i learned to weave my longsword attacks into his enraged attacks and just never stop attacking except for the occasional dodge roll which i had learned to weave into the correct attacks to keep the pressure up. despite my full tank build and unupgraded nargacuga sword (it also needed a mantle... but the armor came first) it took me 12 mins to take out both nargacugas so i was able to insert the hunts into random points throughout the day. hunt 51 was the first mantle, i also had every other material for the armor set before i hunted green nargacugas... so this wasn't even the entire amount of chances i had to get that mantle...huint 53 gave me two more mantles.... leaving me with an extra. shortly after that my friends and i began MH4U.
Probably late to this video but that entire first half basically summarizes why Qurupeco is my favorite monster in the series, he’s just a little shit but so creative especially for a low rank monster he really makes his mark
Just 2:30 into the video and this hit me just as personally, seeing the mat requirements shocked my neurons. Great vid can't wait to return to loclac. ty my guy
Gotta love the Desire Sensor! Back when I played 3U, I wanted to create the Rath Z Armor (you know, as anyone would), and that required 2 Rathalos Mantles. I got the first one after a few hunts, no problem, but used it on a weapon instead, the Rath LS. The second, soon after, which I put into the Helm. The third? NOTHING. Nope, naddah, zilch. Even after easily 50+ Rath hunts between Red, Azure, and Silver Rathalos, I've never gotten that third mantle. I haven't touched 3U in a while, so maybe after this video, I could get better luck getting it, right? ....right...?
10:31 i had the exact same thing happen with a captured Lagiacrus in Monster Hunter Generations. once the Large Leviathan was caught and the quest cleared Deviljho waltzed on in and started munching as if someone had rang a dinner bell.
Actually while emulating MHFU on PPSSPP I manged to find an interesting workaround. You need to use emulator savestates for it to work. When you just finished a hunt and you get a message "Going back to village in 1 min" use a savestate and wait for rewards screen. If your desired drop was not present, reload that savestate and move your character to different area. This often changes the rewards table completely. And it does save time in the long run, better to experiment for 5 minutes if you should end quest in areas from 1 to whatever, than go for 30 something hunts from scratch. Not sure if this method works on Dolphin emulator for I never played it. Hope this helps to work around desire sensor in older titles.
@@augustorocha9906 I think I know what you stumbled upon. When using emulator save states, one has to be careful to not create a "time paradox" so to speak. Game will not be able to use classical save function when it is in "alternative reality". That is why I tried to only use that workaround when farming for specific rare drop at the very end of a hunt and used proper save method to actually save my progress.
@@wingedfish1175 WI prefer calling it "working around random number generator that does not necessarily respect your time or performance". (But yeah it's cheating)
@Mad Markizen like I absolutely don't care you do you but I dont think the guy putting himself through tri solo is gonna cheat it kinda defeats the point
I can remember how I farmed for a Rathalos plate back in the day in Tri and I went like 40 hunts with not one Then I decided to put my mind at ease with some free roaming and without mentioning the plate and then a Rathalos appeared It ate some Aptonoths and out of the flipping shiny drop came a plate
The desire sensor is also cruel when playing with friends. I used to try and help a friend get a specific drop for his weapons in 4U... Something with a 5% rate like the Wyvern Gem here... I got 4 Rath Rubies in 6 hunts, and he only needed 1, which would not drop for him. So it senses who needs it... And gives it to who doesn't.
your videos have genuinely good story telling, it reminds me of dougdoug but about a game series i actually care about. Super hype about MHW2, keep it up my man :3
"desire sensor" is one nostalgic term, i remember my cursed mmo days with hours wasted on items with such low drop rate that i doubted they even existed to begin with
The wildest thing is that in order to be guaranteed a 5% drop you need to do 59(58.4) attempts. So if you were the absolutely most unlucky person it would have taken 176 (58.4x3) possible chances for the item to drop to get 3. Really puts into perspective how unlucky you can possibly get with a 1 in 20 drop chance.
The craziest part is that the desire sensor even crosses over into MHN the MOBILE GAME not just for the few drops you even get and can possibly find, but also for what spawns. For the longest time I needed specific Jyuratodys parts to get the water dual blades upgraded to my current level, and the desire sensor not only never gave me what I wanted but also never let those specific things drop for MONTHS until they added the monster tracker and I just used that to force Jyu encounters. Then as soon as I got what I wanted, my encounters imeadietly spiked, I was seeing 3-5 a day on my usual walking routes when I wouldn’t see any for about week before hand. The same thing happened woth Tobi’s since they were the only ligtning source for a bit but instead of spawning less it just never dropped the claws and still rarely does. The rarest grade one drop in the game.
This… this right here is why I absolutely hate fighting Rathalos. It is the one goddamn ducking monster that whenever I need it’s drops I have murder it at least 20-30 times before it gives it up. Does not matter the armor, weapon, or game. If I need something specific from a rathalos. I will have to commit genocide. That being said as a result I have gotten extremely good at killing them. But I still cry out in horror every time I need a drop from that red winged bastard.
Here's my tale of the desire sensor. My DH and I were farming Gore Magala in 4U for armor sets. His was complete after about 5-7 hunts. I still needed a plate for the greaves. We went after that thing over and over again trying to get a plate to drop for me. We were going for shiny drops, tail-cuts, head breaks, anything that had a tiny chance of success. On about the 25th hunt, I was getting pretty steamed. This is not an easy beast to bring down even after two dozen fights. But we wailed on it and stuck to it, picking up shinies and breaking every part. The quest ended and no plate for me. My DH looked over with this nervous little grin. I knew he got a plate. It's silly but it got to me so bad I could hardly speak to him for the rest of the day. I took a break from Gore and 4U for a bit. After about a week I picked it up again and had the plate on the 27th hunt. I almost didn't even want to make the last armor piece at that point. My husband told me later (much much later) that he actually got THREE plates on that 25th hunt.
I recently had to help a friend get a large elder dragon gem in Iceborne and it took us a dozen or so hunts to get one for him. Funny thing is I got eight out of the whole ordeal and I didn’t even want one
Back in Tri I hunted over 40 Rathians... didn't get the plate. Sooo... I continued with my Qurupeco Armor. Upgraded it to Level 3 and 4. And then played through High Rank for a long time XD And my first High Rank Rathian... Guess what I got from her? Correct! I carved her tail and got a RUBY. But still no plate. Until I hunted like 50-60 of her, I think. It was outrageous. TL;DR Low Rank Qurupeco Armor good, even in High Rank. Beat loads of Rathians, never got the plate.
It's absolutely unreal how cruel and unpredictable the desire sensor is. Back in the day, I remember playing 4U with my sister. Me and her were farming the absolute hell out of Azure Rathalos, I needed all those rubies for the Silver Rathalos armor set, weapons, etc. So we hunted this thing, broke all we could, cut that tail, and then captured him. Every. Single. Fight. I remember it very vividly, I got a ruby basically every single time, I don't ever think I missed a ruby. Every single quest, every single capture, I got a ruby guaranteed. Shit, sometimes I'd even get one from the tail AND capture rewards. I must've gotten over 10 of those things in our runs total. My sister? At the end of it all? She must've gotten 1 or 2, MAXIMUM. God bless you, Monster Hunter. You fuckin' menace of a game.
I watched your stream the other day when you were farming hr points in Mh tri, you always make quality monster hunter content as always man keep it up!
I'm convinced that the desire sensor is a real mechanic in the games and that is actually procs in the game whenever you look at your blacksmith's forge/upgrade options and sees which materials you are currently missing. I've done a few experiments with a friend of mine that indicated to me that the desire sensor lasts on average about 5 hunts on drops like horns and tails. It could have all been luck, but this was what I observed. My biggest theory to combat this mechanic is that you need to always match whatever number of materials you need in the first place to display that you don't "need" any more of said material and sell off whatever common part you might also need to make it to edge the odds in your favor for more rare parts, which matters to a hunter like me because I'm a collector and like to try to make every single weapon from monsters I love, even if I don't plan on using said weapons any time soon. The lesson I've learnt is to consider the first rare drop, be it a gem or a mantle (or heavenly scales for my older fellow hunters) to be the sacrificial threshold. It exists solo to "trick" the desire sensor into thinking you don't need anymore. But yeah ... not sure if I'm right, but I find the results to be a bit more successful with this method.
Was making Uragaan's armor in MHW, grinding at him for 5+ hours, doing everything I could to get his gem. Nothing. Did an investigation where one of the stipulations was that if you faint once it's an automatic fail. So...I fainted. And the gem was sitting in the rewards. I'm still mad about it
In in gatcha games (or at least the ones I’ve played) we also see this phenomenon a lot, but we call it The Law of Inverse Desire and define it as basically “the probability of receiving something on a pull is exactly the opposite of how much you want that thing” so you’re more likely to get the ones you hate and extremely unlikely to get the ones you love.
That Qurupeco strategy reminds me a whole lot of how I use Bazelgeuse in my MHW fights. It’s like having another combatant on the field who can actually take a hit and hit back even harder, it’s a great way for me to relax, assess, and recover.
Watching this now really brings me back to when I first played this game as a kid farming for this exact weapon upgrade as well, but 4U came out shortly after so i never actually got that far into it. Even then I'm convinced to this day that these games have a desire sensor. in 4U, for example, I hunted Shagaru Magala 80+ times for a phosgem (and never got one, I gave up and reached G3 before I stopped playing). In world, Anjanath refuses to give me fangs, fang +s, and hardfangs, and Rathian would refuse to give me her spikes. This is why I never put stuff I need on wishlists in-game anymore, because I'm that convinced the game knows you want it and refuses to give it to you. Even when I specifically break the parts I need, carve for items that are carve-only, collected shinies, and used vouchers/skills/whatever to increase my luck, at times I'll barely even be spared 1. Some of the simplest items you need can cost so so much time to get. But we still love MH for it. Anyways ik this video is like a year old but it's still very very entertaining and sent me through a huge nostalgia trip for this game. Maybe after I'm finished with frontier (or fed up with it for whatever reason) I'll try and play Tri again.
oh the pain. i feel you so much because i had gone out of my way in 4ult to grind the entire seregios set including insect glaive and you needed so many of this one rare part that after so many years now i dont rememebr what it was. but jfc i spent so long hunting and grinding for em. you learn to get good at kicking the ass of something if you do it enough lol. steve had a few less teeth i think at that point, now i need to get to grinding for my rematch with him in rise since im not to sunbreak yet. o7
Guys I think I'm crazy. I think I have some of the greatest luck known to Monster Hunter. I have hunted monsters before, and gotten the rarest drops on the first quest. I seriously don't understand how I keep doing it. It just keeps happening.
I love this video because me and my friend are going through mhw again and all I needed was some nargacuga cut wings and gems. Every hunt he got at least 1-2 of each. Across 50 hunts i got 4 cutwings and 0 gems. It got so bad i had to just “buy” them. I will say that despite the hunt’s beginning to physically pain me, it was probably some of the funniest shit ever seeing him get the items i needed and not having even a smidgeon of them in sight
I remember wanting gold beard ceadeus armor and needed the rare. I solo’d him around 50-100 times before i got it, each hunt taking 35+ mins because i had to solo him.
honestly? this theory would explain my great luck with some things I just have fun and experiment with weapons while grinding, eventually settling on my main until i get bored and just move on"i'll just use this for a while i can live without it for now" i got a flipping xeno jiiva gem my first time ever carving her. and i even got 2 nergigante gems in one rewards screen
I think converting percentage chances is an important skill to all gamers, not just monster hunter players should be aware of. knowing a 5% drop rate is a 1/20, and needing 3 would mean 3x20 = 60 average hunts. happy to hear flyann reflected on this at the end of his hunt.
in world i had to get a wyvern stone for a weapon and i decided to capture a barroth for it and it gave me THREE WYVERN STONES FROM THE SAME INVESTIGATION i think the desire sensor is trying to gaslight me into thinking it’s not there
Something a good friend of mine and I used to do when we played MH all the time was make sure we spent as little time as possible looking at the required materials list of a piece of equipment before quickly switching to look at something else we wanted in the future, all in an effort to trick the desire sensor into thinking it was *that* item we wanted, and not the real one
I had a desire sensor story. Years ago, while playing mhp3rd, one hall opened where somebody needed an Ukanlos Jewel. Was playing gunlance at the time so I went in with three others to help this guy out. Took us around 2 hours to get him his Ukanlos Jewel, while the rest of us had 2-4. I got 3 myself from that killing spree so it was hilarious when the guy who needed it the most actually got his drop. What a time! Drop rates btw are 2% for 4x body carve, 4% from chin break and 6% from stomach break.
It is 100% absolutely real. It is why I've developed a counter strategy some time ago. Ever since Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, I've began making a habit of never purchasing a single item of gear until I had the full set of drops I needed. Until then, I would try to throw the desire sensor off by buying other random armors and weapons that had nothing to do with the drops I'm actually looking for. You know what? IT FREAKING WORKED.
The desire sensor ends up getting bypassed in a way in the 5th gen games (at least in their endgame) for the rarest items, like Plates, Gems and Mantles. In World, you can exchange "Wyverian Prints" of differing grades at a Melder's place to obtain such items...and in Iceborne, you can get at least one Celestial Wyvern Print, the highest grade one, per day by "winning" the Steamworks minigame. You then turned in these Prints to the Melder. It does require farming Dragonvein Coal, but there's an event quest that trivializes that. You could also do Investigations with Gold or Silver rewards, which increased the chances of getting it from an aggravating 1-2% to around 11-13%. In Sunbreak, you could work your way up the ranks of the Anomaly Quest endgame grind and eventually just buy the items outright using special Investigation Coins, and eventually get any Plate, Gem, Mantle or other super-rare item for varying numbers of coins.
I didn't know what to expect when I clicked on this. I'm glad I did, my week is much better for having gone on this journey. thank you Mr qurupeco slayer.
I genuinely believe the desire sensor is real, I think the games tracks equipment that you view before taking on quests, checks if you are hunting monsters that drop parts of the equipment and subtly adjusts the drop rates of each item. not by percentage, but by number of quests. recently, I received 3 anjanath plates from a high rank quest in iceborne while I was only helping a friend. in past games I've had the same experience, lets say 3u, i grind brachydios for a pallium, none, but I do one quest in a turnz lobby and all of the sudden i have 2 or 3. it once took me like 12 or 13 tries to get the needed amount of scales for a piece of equipment, but once I had the equipment, I got the amount of scales I needed after one quest. all im saying is this: I'm not crazy, we're not crazy, the desire sensor is real and the devs are fucking playing us.
i had to farm the final boss of Sunbreak FORTY. SEVEN. TIMES. to get his rare drop. it should be illegal for monsters with cinematic hunts to have ANYTHING drop for less than 5-10%, let alone something needed to craft the only weapon of his tree. i haven't even looked at the armor yet and i don't WANT to. edit: for reference, i was using two Gatherer Palicoes (which definitely made the runs much longer, as cats aren't really good for DPS if they're built for gathering) my farming build, with Partbreaker, Good Luck, etc (which also made the hunts much longer because it wasn't my normal DPS set) and cutting the tail every single time (yet another time waster, because i had to use a weapon i'm not very comfortable with and i never ended up carving it from there anyway). the grind for this material was even worse than the Purple Magna Orb one in High Rank, because even though the Orb has a lower drop rate, unlike Magnamalo, this monster cannot be captured, meaning the more lucrative rewards from Capture Master and the time saved by capturing is gone. by myself and with good randoms i was averaging 15 minutes per hunt, on bad hunts where i wasnt paying much attention or was just generally bad i was averaging 20 or even close to 30 minutes per hunt. i sincerely hope i never get a grind like this again. i've had terrible grinds before but this one was by far the worst.
I played this game as a kid because I got a subscription to Nintendo Power magazine and they wrote about what a phenomenon the series is. They stressed that this game coming to Wii was a special first and Nintendo fans should take advantage. Needless to say my 9 year old ass bought it full price and could not beat it all. This cruel game put the fear of monsters in me. But after my friend showed me Dark Souls I knew I was ready for more. Imagine my surprise when I picked up World and Barroth was like the second guy. As an adult this is one of the series that can convince me to get a console or PC upgrade, but part of me still laments how seemingly every rock, stick and sprig of grass will now conspire to help you slay a monster. The Monster Hunter I grew up with made you pick up individual whetstones, sharpen your lame ass "monster buster 2" or whatever weak weapon you could scrounge and put you against some absolute terrors.
Watching your friend get the stuff you need and vice versa is the way. Back when I replayed 4 with a friend I don't know how many times we had to farm Sinister Astronomy because of her bad luck. On the other hand when I needed something in Iceborne... Oh, you wanna make a Brachydios set and some weapons? Well, I don't care about it so don't mind me dropping two immortal reactors in a single hunt and another one right after a couple more!
There was one time I got three large elder dragon gems from one namielle hunt randomly in world. Not even a week later I was trying to craft a weapon and needed ONE more, just a SINGLE GEM and what I was met with was one of the most soul crushing grinds I’d ever done in my life. I went through 50 different investigations and it took me a month before the game gifted me with the presence of the gem in my rewards. In short, I hate the desire sensor.
I know exactly what you’re talking about, in sunbreak I wanted to make a shagaru armor piece, whichever one needs his mantle I think the chest piece, hunted him 20+ times, gave up, few days later I went to fight him to practice because those 20+ hunts didn’t help me get better against him only winning with one cart left, but in that hunt where I didn’t cart and just wanted to practice I got 6 god damn mantles
This hits so hard. Grinded through 8 anjanath hunts last night trying to get his gem for the speed eating charm with nothing. Took a break to hunt a couple of Nergigante just for fun and got 3 gems in 2 hunts
lmao thank you for showing ur journey, this video was really well made . the Desire Sensor and the Grind are the true essence of the game, that's why u feel more accomplished in the older games when u FINALLY finish a set of gear !! Monster Hunter 4ever, I'm currently tryin to get me a Brachydios Stone (20 hunts in) wish me luck ))
I had this same experience in MHGU, I was trying my hardest to find a Rathalos Ruby for an armor piece and it took me 45 or so G Rank Silver Rathalos hunts to get one.
Ah yes, an experience of the golden rule of Monster Hunter: Do not want what you need
why this comment is so relate with me hahaha. The more you want it, the harder to get it
This bs happened to me once in sunbreak I wanted hardhorns and shards for the armor guess what I got in replacement of these things……..SIX FUCKING BLOODSTONES SIX MANTLES SIX!!!!
I just need 3 Barioth spikes, it's low rank item and it's 15% chance by breaking the wings... It wouldn't take long I said...
12 hunts later, not even 1 of the 3 remaining I needed... All because I wanted to hunt Jhen solo in the village quest...
In a recent mhw playthrough i could not for the life if me get the wyvern gem i needed for a high rank bow, my most recent playthrough with a friend the first monster i killed that could drop one did but i didn’t need it
I think that’s how Siddhartha Gautama achieved Nirvana
Remember the four crests of the Hunter's Guild, "respect for nature" is the highest and "crafting from nature" is the lowest.
You activate the desire sensor's curse by swapping these positions.
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Explain this to me in football terms
You train for the game, not for the fame @@Birbucifer
Somehow the jazz in the background makes your pain finding the stones that much more hilarious. Congrats on getting them all in the end!!
MH Jazz
Look it up
The true desire sensor experience is always getting super rare materials you don't need while being denied rare materials you actually do need. Also on the same hunt you get the final piece you also always get one extra
Same reason i got 9 ratholos rubies but not a single plate on 3U on about 30 hunts. Three at once on one quest i might add
I know this feel in an insane way. In Generations. (not ultimate). I hunted a village Kushala... On the tail carve. Gem. And a shiny drop. Gem. AND ON THE REWARD SCREEN. TWO MORE GEMS! In one hunt I got 4 Kushala Gems.
i spent a long time grinding for a wyvern gam, immediately afterwards got a rath ruby and 3 more wyvern gems
Farmed Gravios in 4U for the G armor. Needed one pallium (Gravios mantle). Took me about 20 to 30 hunts to get it. Later when helping randoms farm Gravios, I got two in a row.
Bro i'm out here trying to get one rathalos ruby in rise but there's nothing after 27 hunt
I love Monster Hunter until it refuses to reward me what I've rightfully earned and then I break up with Monster Hunter...for a week.
Ain't you the one who made MH meme
Me for a month or more.
This theory is just my headcanon and I have no way to actually prove it other than from my own experience. So I actually believe there is an ingame mechanic that lowers the drop rate of certain items you're looking for. So in flyann's example he needed the Ceadeus tail, he then goes to the smithy and looks at the weapon he wants to craft and the items needed, the game recognizes this, and when he goes to hunt Ceadeus the drop rate for tail will be lowered. So my solution to this is to trick the game into thinking I need another item, so lets say I need the Ceadeus tail, I would then go and look into another weapon like a Rathalos Great Sword that requires a ruby, after looking at the weapon a couple of times at the smithy I would then go and complete a couple of Rathalos quests to trick the game into thinking I need a ruby, but I actually needed a Ceadeus tail. So now I go and farm Ceadeus WITHOUT looking at his weapon. This may sound stupid but I genuinely believe it works, I have been doing this since 3U and I rarely encounter a monster that I need to farm a long time to get his rare item.
you are right bro this actually works, i always hunt a monster 3 times without looking at its armor and it gives me almost everything to craft that armor
No way of proving this, but it is essentially what I believe as well.
I think, I *feel*, that somehow the game considers things like the weapons you are using, the equipment you are viewing, and the monsters you are hunting to make an educated calculation on what it is you want... And then withold it mercilessly.
With of course the caveat being that if you are hunting in a party then inevitably, without fail, you will get the drops your partner wants and they will get the drops you want, with no way to trade.
For similar reasons, I always eat before confirming the quest in Gen and earlier games. If I confirm the quest first, I’m certain it makes sure the food that will help the most isn’t the one that’s “fresh” or w/e that time.
Same happens to me since FU :'(
Pure copium, but everyone's got their little methods.
The desire sensor is indeed a cruel mistress. I remember back in the 3U days I really needed a Zinogre Skyemerald and asked one of my friends to help me get it. We hunted 37 of the bastards and I didn't get a single one. But you know how many my friend got? A LOT.
Edit for the end of 2022: Was not expecting this to get this much traction but I'm absolutely loving hearing about everyone's stories with the desire sensor. Please by all means keep sharing your stories no matter how old this comment gets. In recent desire sensor news, I have not gotten a single Rathalos Mantle since sunbreak released, I have however gotten 18 Rathian Mantles and over 20 of her Rubies.
HOLY shit the same thing happened to me and my friend, he needed the Zinogre Emerald and I got so many of them but he got none!
Indeed capcom make the darkest system in monster hunter universe, im sorry i dint play newer mh but i can feel it when i play mhfu haha
Reminds me of that one time in 4U I needed a gore magala nyctgem for my hbg....and my wife pulled 3 in a single hunt.
I was trying to get a rathian ruby and I hunted 47 rathians with max odds and didn't get one... gave up on it and the next rathian I killed dropped it
Yeah this happens whenever I help my friends grind. In the case of the zinogre skymerald I got 5 of them in the first 3 hunts while my friend got squat from many, many more hunts. To this day my item chest gets loaded with rare drops I never asked for, the desire sensor has truly weaponised my disgusting luck...
If this doesn't perfectly explain my and everyone's luck with rares in monster hunter, then I don't know what will.
Reminds me of fighting rathalos 32 times in 3u to get that one rath ruby for the armor set, also reminds me of gu where i was practically swimming in several rare drops because the deviants drop them so frequently
I fought beachy 36 times for a gem to upgrade my gunlance
54 for a legiana gem IN A GAME WITH INVESTIGATIONS. Sorry, the pain comes flowing back sometimes.
I’m doing that grind right now! Literally just finished me 20th Rath fight.
I fought rath 34 times in 4u to get A PLATE. HIGH RANK RATHS. I HAD 9 RUBIES BY THE TIME I FOUND ONE GODDAMN PLATE.
@@DevilJhoMamame and my buddy got so efficient at killing Legiana for that damn gem that we could one cycle her, killing her in about a minute, and capturing her in two
I remember when Kulve Taroth first released in world, my friend needed a glimstone from her. At the time melding them wasn't an option since Capcom made it to where every new title update you can't meld the rare drop until the next one releases.
So we decided to try breaking the plating from the horns with the cannons instead of doing the full seige since it was just the 2 of us. We started around 10 pm one night, on pursuit level one. Sometimes we weren't consistent with the cannonballs so we had to do damage with our weapons instead. Whenever we got to pursuit level 3, we had a more consistent strategy down, 2 loaded cannons and a guaranteed plating break every time within 2 minutes of starting.
We ended up getting maximum pursuit level, I ended up with FIFTEEN glimstones, 3 of which I carved in a single attempt, before she got one. She finally got one to drop at about 5 am, 7 HOURS after we began. At that point we said fuck it and finished the seige anyways since it was max level and would be easy. We break the horns and 3 of 4 of her carves yielded glimstones.
Desire sensor is a bitch.
for me, it was the raging brachydios' immortal reactor in 4U which took 48 hunts to get. at the time I had a dream in which I hunted a blue yian kut-ku in the arena and got the reactor as a shiny drop and woke up crying tears of joy. good times
It took me 67 high rank brachydios hunts to get 2 Gems for my armor and weapon in 4U. . - .
I am beginning to feel as if this so called "Desire-Sensor" is more prevalent in older titles, in MHW:I you basically get an Immortal Reactor every hunt for the Raging Brachydios.
A hunter is a hunter, even in a dream ~
@@Skoupeze
This is not the case.
Ask my friend where his Reactor is and spite will come flowing back
It took me an hour or two to get the Immortal Reactor, and it's still my favorite rare drop based on the name alone.
I remember when cha cha needed "Sharq skin" for his water mask, and the story would not progress without killing a sharq and harvesting it... except when you KILLED the sharqs, they ran AWAY and didnt drop shit...... took me 4 months to figure out i needed a harpoon to kill the damn things, talk about GRIND
bruh it really took you 4 months?
Same, and they even teach you at the beginnig of the game how to properly do it
I REALLY miss Qurupeco haha 😂 such a chaotic fun hunt. Back in Tri I would always use each monster against each other by default and it's been this way until this day.
Off topic, it's so iconic now to hear your voice with Jazz that it's weird when it's not present haha
i miss him too, when will he team up with kulu ya ku?
I love that everyone has their grinding horror story. I'll never forget grinding gore magala (MH4U was my first ever monster hunter) to craft its insect glaive and getting hit by desire sensor for the first time. Can't even remember the final hunt count, but it was easily dozens and dozens of hunts, and I think it was really the moment I knew I was in too deep with this series lmao
good shit on powering through this wyvern stone grind! I love the way you told this story so much, can't wait to see even more from you ;o;
Gore isnt such a bad monster to grind considering how fun the fight is i remember grinding for the hammer but i didnt feel like i spent that much time on it because that fight is just so good (i probably grindet all the magalas to hell and back)
When you get hit by the desire sensors you've gone too far into the series
The thing about Gore is I'm always swimming in plates just because it takes me so long to get the feelers I need.
The most nutty drop I've ever gotten in Monster Hunter was in Iceborne, my first Furious Rajang hunt following it's release I got, not one, but three Rajang Hearts, in my hunt rewards. I didn't even want the hearts for any equipment, wasn't even thinking about it.
So yes, Desire Sensor is both a vengeful and a generous God.
My favorite is when the Desire sensor knows what someone wants, but then it won't give it to you, but it'll give your friend like 3 of said item🤣
This video hits deep. Reminds me of farming G Rank Narga in Unite with my friend. Just need one mantle and after FOURTEEN straight hours of grinding, I had nothing. Meanwhile he sat on double digits of mantles. Also reminds me of wasting a Lagi Saphhire on the Epitaph Blade in Tri to show it off in person to my friend who grinded Lagi for two weeks for it 😂
Wouldn't flash bombs help in trying to capture when there are multiple monsters in the same area?
it does help, but sometimes they find their way into the traps anyways (they hate me)
Would dung bomb help to send the extra monster away so only Qurupeco and small monster around
@@akuakkk1908 ya this is kinda his fault. The counter to his summon is dung bomb...
@@akuakkk1908 Dung bombs don't have a 100% success rate in this game, so for me they didn't really help that much
The desire sensor. Finally a name for something I have experienced through all my years of gaming.
Qurupeco: I'm gonna phone a friend
*deviljho arrives*
Quru&Hunter: shit
I don't play monster hunter, but these videos are too entertaining and informative to not watch
15:51 It's actually around one in every 13/14 fights on average, meaning you had pretty bad luck.
you're becoming my favorite youtuber rn, I love these monster hunter storytime videos
The built-in subtitles make this so much easier to follow along for me, new fan! /pos
What's the drop that took you the longest to get?
*edit for the dungbomb andies in the comments: they have a low rate of actually making a monster switch zones in Tri so I opted not to use them (they sucked)
took me about 18 stygian zinogres to get one umbrage in 4u
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that fucking nargacuga shit FUCK
Had to grind Teostra for multiple hours just to get a single gem in order to upgrade his hunting horn 🥲
went about 18 lagi hunts before I got a single one of the 2 lagi horn+ I needed in mh3u
The Desire Sensor affects me a lot. I'll be swimming in gems when I don't need them, then once I do, can't get a single one. I was lucky with Narwa in Rise however, as well as Ibushi in getting their orbs
Dude this was an INCREDIBLE video. Super relatable. Took me back to the endless hours of grinding in 4u, who knew that misery is something I would someday be nostalgic for lol
6:47 what a tiny Deviljho!
The way to have tricked the desire sensor is to hunt the guest deviljho for better armor too, which also important in the quest of making high rank easier for future fights by using peco as a proxy for an endgame base defense. (Atleast I hope it's so for TRI not all the entries allow you to see the armor by just owning enough drops)
As an avid monster hunter player this video hit so hard lol. I’ve missed out on the most common drops I’ve needed in some quests (think the equivalent of scales) when trying to make new gear. The crazy drop rate I ever got was getting 3 Zinogre Skyemeralds in MHGU after I finished grinding for a weapon.
The Desire Sensor really hurts sometimes.
My worst desire sensor story, was when i was trying to upgrade the jhen sw to its final level in tri. I needed just 1 twisted horn from diablos to make ir. Took me and my friend about 70-80 hunts for it. Over the course of this grind he got like 10+ of it. On top of this i kept getting the more rare majestic horn from diablos. The desire sensor is real and this is my anecdotal proof.
You're my favorite Monster Hunter TH-camr already. Deadass.
Stone: has a 5% (1 in 20) drop rate
Players: *need to do the hunt 60 times to get three of them*
Players: *surprised Pikachu face*
Loved watching your suffering live. It was even better when you finally got everything you needed. Great video!
babe, wake up, new flyann 2 video
This reminds me of when i fell in love-hate with the series. I wanted to make nargacuga X armor in MH3U, i liked the ninja look and thought the skills would help me keep up with my friends who were dragging my plebness through G rank at the time. until then i just thought the game was a good time with friends but this was my first bona fide solo memory. best quest was hunt two green nargacuga, needed a single nargacuga mantle, 3% per carve, 1% per quest reward, 2% per shiny drop, 3% per head break. I think the game was saying "so you want to not drag down your friends by dying... well then, you are just gonna have to get good no DODGE." 50 quests later and not a single mantle in sight. however i had become a master nargacuga hunter, i had learned his every move by heart, i learned to weave my longsword attacks into his enraged attacks and just never stop attacking except for the occasional dodge roll which i had learned to weave into the correct attacks to keep the pressure up. despite my full tank build and unupgraded nargacuga sword (it also needed a mantle... but the armor came first) it took me 12 mins to take out both nargacugas so i was able to insert the hunts into random points throughout the day. hunt 51 was the first mantle, i also had every other material for the armor set before i hunted green nargacugas... so this wasn't even the entire amount of chances i had to get that mantle...huint 53 gave me two more mantles.... leaving me with an extra. shortly after that my friends and i began MH4U.
Probably late to this video but that entire first half basically summarizes why Qurupeco is my favorite monster in the series, he’s just a little shit but so creative especially for a low rank monster he really makes his mark
Just 2:30 into the video and this hit me just as personally, seeing the mat requirements shocked my neurons. Great vid can't wait to return to loclac. ty my guy
Gotta love the Desire Sensor! Back when I played 3U, I wanted to create the Rath Z Armor (you know, as anyone would), and that required 2 Rathalos Mantles. I got the first one after a few hunts, no problem, but used it on a weapon instead, the Rath LS. The second, soon after, which I put into the Helm.
The third? NOTHING. Nope, naddah, zilch. Even after easily 50+ Rath hunts between Red, Azure, and Silver Rathalos, I've never gotten that third mantle. I haven't touched 3U in a while, so maybe after this video, I could get better luck getting it, right? ....right...?
I am going to be with this channel till the end. I loved tri
I am now scared of the color green.
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10:31 i had the exact same thing happen with a captured Lagiacrus in Monster Hunter Generations. once the Large Leviathan was caught and the quest cleared Deviljho waltzed on in and started munching as if someone had rang a dinner bell.
Actually while emulating MHFU on PPSSPP I manged to find an interesting workaround. You need to use emulator savestates for it to work.
When you just finished a hunt and you get a message "Going back to village in 1 min" use a savestate and wait for rewards screen.
If your desired drop was not present, reload that savestate and move your character to different area. This often changes the rewards table completely.
And it does save time in the long run, better to experiment for 5 minutes if you should end quest in areas from 1 to whatever, than go for 30 something hunts from scratch.
Not sure if this method works on Dolphin emulator for I never played it.
Hope this helps to work around desire sensor in older titles.
Save states on ppsspp for me always bugs the game's normal save method
@@augustorocha9906 I think I know what you stumbled upon. When using emulator save states, one has to be careful to not create a "time paradox" so to speak. Game will not be able to use classical save function when it is in "alternative reality". That is why I tried to only use that workaround when farming for specific rare drop at the very end of a hunt and used proper save method to actually save my progress.
So cheat?
@@wingedfish1175 WI prefer calling it "working around random number generator that does not necessarily respect your time or performance". (But yeah it's cheating)
@Mad Markizen like I absolutely don't care you do you but I dont think the guy putting himself through tri solo is gonna cheat it kinda defeats the point
I can remember how I farmed for a Rathalos plate back in the day in Tri and I went like 40 hunts with not one
Then I decided to put my mind at ease with some free roaming and without mentioning the plate and then a Rathalos appeared
It ate some Aptonoths and out of the flipping shiny drop came a plate
The desire sensor is also cruel when playing with friends.
I used to try and help a friend get a specific drop for his weapons in 4U... Something with a 5% rate like the Wyvern Gem here...
I got 4 Rath Rubies in 6 hunts, and he only needed 1, which would not drop for him.
So it senses who needs it... And gives it to who doesn't.
Can we get much higher?
your videos have genuinely good story telling, it reminds me of dougdoug but about a game series i actually care about. Super hype about MHW2, keep it up my man :3
LS gang
i want to leave this gang
@@flyann2 You're in for life
imagine not using the great sword
@@Lutyrannus cuhringe
You're goddamn right its real. Back when FU was new I had to hunt the GODDAMN khezu over 100 times to get the pale khezu steak....
Can we get much higher
So high~
"desire sensor" is one nostalgic term, i remember my cursed mmo days with hours wasted on items with such low drop rate that i doubted they even existed to begin with
The wildest thing is that in order to be guaranteed a 5% drop you need to do 59(58.4) attempts. So if you were the absolutely most unlucky person it would have taken 176 (58.4x3) possible chances for the item to drop to get 3.
Really puts into perspective how unlucky you can possibly get with a 1 in 20 drop chance.
What are you even talking about
@@Jorvalt
They did the math, I think.
The anti-desire sensor is also alive and well, apparently. Shoutout to the 10 wyvern gems I have no use for in MHGU
The craziest part is that the desire sensor even crosses over into MHN the MOBILE GAME not just for the few drops you even get and can possibly find, but also for what spawns. For the longest time I needed specific Jyuratodys parts to get the water dual blades upgraded to my current level, and the desire sensor not only never gave me what I wanted but also never let those specific things drop for MONTHS until they added the monster tracker and I just used that to force Jyu encounters. Then as soon as I got what I wanted, my encounters imeadietly spiked, I was seeing 3-5 a day on my usual walking routes when I wouldn’t see any for about week before hand. The same thing happened woth Tobi’s since they were the only ligtning source for a bit but instead of spawning less it just never dropped the claws and still rarely does. The rarest grade one drop in the game.
This… this right here is why I absolutely hate fighting Rathalos. It is the one goddamn ducking monster that whenever I need it’s drops I have murder it at least 20-30 times before it gives it up. Does not matter the armor, weapon, or game. If I need something specific from a rathalos. I will have to commit genocide. That being said as a result I have gotten extremely good at killing them. But I still cry out in horror every time I need a drop from that red winged bastard.
I always set the bar really high to never be disapointed, if I see 5%, I assume I have to do at least 95 quests before dropping it.
Here's my tale of the desire sensor. My DH and I were farming Gore Magala in 4U for armor sets. His was complete after about 5-7 hunts. I still needed a plate for the greaves. We went after that thing over and over again trying to get a plate to drop for me. We were going for shiny drops, tail-cuts, head breaks, anything that had a tiny chance of success. On about the 25th hunt, I was getting pretty steamed. This is not an easy beast to bring down even after two dozen fights. But we wailed on it and stuck to it, picking up shinies and breaking every part. The quest ended and no plate for me. My DH looked over with this nervous little grin. I knew he got a plate. It's silly but it got to me so bad I could hardly speak to him for the rest of the day. I took a break from Gore and 4U for a bit. After about a week I picked it up again and had the plate on the 27th hunt. I almost didn't even want to make the last armor piece at that point. My husband told me later (much much later) that he actually got THREE plates on that 25th hunt.
I recently had to help a friend get a large elder dragon gem in Iceborne and it took us a dozen or so hunts to get one for him. Funny thing is I got eight out of the whole ordeal and I didn’t even want one
Back in Tri I hunted over 40 Rathians... didn't get the plate.
Sooo... I continued with my Qurupeco Armor. Upgraded it to Level 3 and 4. And then played through High Rank for a long time XD
And my first High Rank Rathian... Guess what I got from her? Correct! I carved her tail and got a RUBY. But still no plate. Until I hunted like 50-60 of her, I think. It was outrageous.
TL;DR Low Rank Qurupeco Armor good, even in High Rank. Beat loads of Rathians, never got the plate.
Absolutely loving these videos. You're doing such a good job, homie.
After the Info that you somehow obtained the Item as soon as you didn't mention it...I knew exactly were this was going ;)
It's absolutely unreal how cruel and unpredictable the desire sensor is. Back in the day, I remember playing 4U with my sister. Me and her were farming the absolute hell out of Azure Rathalos, I needed all those rubies for the Silver Rathalos armor set, weapons, etc. So we hunted this thing, broke all we could, cut that tail, and then captured him. Every. Single. Fight. I remember it very vividly, I got a ruby basically every single time, I don't ever think I missed a ruby. Every single quest, every single capture, I got a ruby guaranteed. Shit, sometimes I'd even get one from the tail AND capture rewards. I must've gotten over 10 of those things in our runs total.
My sister? At the end of it all? She must've gotten 1 or 2, MAXIMUM. God bless you, Monster Hunter. You fuckin' menace of a game.
When you said 3 Wyvern stones at 2:35, I said "holy shit" out loud because I remember how hard they were to get in Tri also.
Yeah this is exactly how I remember Tri. The Desire Sensor's pain is graved into my bones
I watched your stream the other day when you were farming hr points in Mh tri, you always make quality monster hunter content as always man keep it up!
I'm convinced that the desire sensor is a real mechanic in the games and that is actually procs in the game whenever you look at your blacksmith's forge/upgrade options and sees which materials you are currently missing. I've done a few experiments with a friend of mine that indicated to me that the desire sensor lasts on average about 5 hunts on drops like horns and tails. It could have all been luck, but this was what I observed.
My biggest theory to combat this mechanic is that you need to always match whatever number of materials you need in the first place to display that you don't "need" any more of said material and sell off whatever common part you might also need to make it to edge the odds in your favor for more rare parts, which matters to a hunter like me because I'm a collector and like to try to make every single weapon from monsters I love, even if I don't plan on using said weapons any time soon.
The lesson I've learnt is to consider the first rare drop, be it a gem or a mantle (or heavenly scales for my older fellow hunters) to be the sacrificial threshold. It exists solo to "trick" the desire sensor into thinking you don't need anymore.
But yeah ... not sure if I'm right, but I find the results to be a bit more successful with this method.
Was making Uragaan's armor in MHW, grinding at him for 5+ hours, doing everything I could to get his gem. Nothing. Did an investigation where one of the stipulations was that if you faint once it's an automatic fail. So...I fainted.
And the gem was sitting in the rewards. I'm still mad about it
In in gatcha games (or at least the ones I’ve played) we also see this phenomenon a lot, but we call it The Law of Inverse Desire and define it as basically “the probability of receiving something on a pull is exactly the opposite of how much you want that thing” so you’re more likely to get the ones you hate and extremely unlikely to get the ones you love.
That Qurupeco strategy reminds me a whole lot of how I use Bazelgeuse in my MHW fights. It’s like having another combatant on the field who can actually take a hit and hit back even harder, it’s a great way for me to relax, assess, and recover.
Watching this now really brings me back to when I first played this game as a kid farming for this exact weapon upgrade as well, but 4U came out shortly after so i never actually got that far into it.
Even then I'm convinced to this day that these games have a desire sensor. in 4U, for example, I hunted Shagaru Magala 80+ times for a phosgem (and never got one, I gave up and reached G3 before I stopped playing). In world, Anjanath refuses to give me fangs, fang +s, and hardfangs, and Rathian would refuse to give me her spikes. This is why I never put stuff I need on wishlists in-game anymore, because I'm that convinced the game knows you want it and refuses to give it to you. Even when I specifically break the parts I need, carve for items that are carve-only, collected shinies, and used vouchers/skills/whatever to increase my luck, at times I'll barely even be spared 1. Some of the simplest items you need can cost so so much time to get. But we still love MH for it.
Anyways ik this video is like a year old but it's still very very entertaining and sent me through a huge nostalgia trip for this game. Maybe after I'm finished with frontier (or fed up with it for whatever reason) I'll try and play Tri again.
oh the pain. i feel you so much because i had gone out of my way in 4ult to grind the entire seregios set including insect glaive and you needed so many of this one rare part that after so many years now i dont rememebr what it was. but jfc i spent so long hunting and grinding for em. you learn to get good at kicking the ass of something if you do it enough lol. steve had a few less teeth i think at that point, now i need to get to grinding for my rematch with him in rise since im not to sunbreak yet. o7
Guys I think I'm crazy. I think I have some of the greatest luck known to Monster Hunter. I have hunted monsters before, and gotten the rarest drops on the first quest. I seriously don't understand how I keep doing it. It just keeps happening.
I love this video because me and my friend are going through mhw again and all I needed was some nargacuga cut wings and gems. Every hunt he got at least 1-2 of each. Across 50 hunts i got 4 cutwings and 0 gems. It got so bad i had to just “buy” them. I will say that despite the hunt’s beginning to physically pain me, it was probably some of the funniest shit ever seeing him get the items i needed and not having even a smidgeon of them in sight
I remember wanting gold beard ceadeus armor and needed the rare. I solo’d him around 50-100 times before i got it, each hunt taking 35+ mins because i had to solo him.
honestly?
this theory would explain my great luck with some things
I just have fun and experiment with weapons while grinding, eventually settling on my main until i get bored and just move on"i'll just use this for a while i can live without it for now"
i got a flipping xeno jiiva gem my first time ever carving her.
and i even got 2 nergigante gems in one rewards screen
I think converting percentage chances is an important skill to all gamers, not just monster hunter players should be aware of.
knowing a 5% drop rate is a 1/20, and needing 3 would mean 3x20 = 60 average hunts.
happy to hear flyann reflected on this at the end of his hunt.
in world i had to get a wyvern stone for a weapon and i decided to capture a barroth for it and it gave me THREE WYVERN STONES FROM THE SAME INVESTIGATION i think the desire sensor is trying to gaslight me into thinking it’s not there
Desire sensor is so real, I've gotten to the point where if I decide I don't *really* want it then I'll likely get it
Something a good friend of mine and I used to do when we played MH all the time was make sure we spent as little time as possible looking at the required materials list of a piece of equipment before quickly switching to look at something else we wanted in the future, all in an effort to trick the desire sensor into thinking it was *that* item we wanted, and not the real one
Worlds introduction of turf wars and such helps out a lot and I’ll just hang back and watch big monsters fight for a bit and sharpen or heal
I had a desire sensor story. Years ago, while playing mhp3rd, one hall opened where somebody needed an Ukanlos Jewel. Was playing gunlance at the time so I went in with three others to help this guy out. Took us around 2 hours to get him his Ukanlos Jewel, while the rest of us had 2-4. I got 3 myself from that killing spree so it was hilarious when the guy who needed it the most actually got his drop. What a time!
Drop rates btw are 2% for 4x body carve, 4% from chin break and 6% from stomach break.
It is 100% absolutely real. It is why I've developed a counter strategy some time ago. Ever since Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, I've began making a habit of never purchasing a single item of gear until I had the full set of drops I needed. Until then, I would try to throw the desire sensor off by buying other random armors and weapons that had nothing to do with the drops I'm actually looking for. You know what? IT FREAKING WORKED.
R. Ludroth: didn't come back on land.
World players: wait there's underwater combat?
The desire sensor ends up getting bypassed in a way in the 5th gen games (at least in their endgame) for the rarest items, like Plates, Gems and Mantles. In World, you can exchange "Wyverian Prints" of differing grades at a Melder's place to obtain such items...and in Iceborne, you can get at least one Celestial Wyvern Print, the highest grade one, per day by "winning" the Steamworks minigame. You then turned in these Prints to the Melder. It does require farming Dragonvein Coal, but there's an event quest that trivializes that. You could also do Investigations with Gold or Silver rewards, which increased the chances of getting it from an aggravating 1-2% to around 11-13%.
In Sunbreak, you could work your way up the ranks of the Anomaly Quest endgame grind and eventually just buy the items outright using special Investigation Coins, and eventually get any Plate, Gem, Mantle or other super-rare item for varying numbers of coins.
I didn't know what to expect when I clicked on this.
I'm glad I did, my week is much better for having gone on this journey. thank you Mr qurupeco slayer.
I genuinely believe the desire sensor is real, I think the games tracks equipment that you view before taking on quests, checks if you are hunting monsters that drop parts of the equipment and subtly adjusts the drop rates of each item. not by percentage, but by number of quests. recently, I received 3 anjanath plates from a high rank quest in iceborne while I was only helping a friend. in past games I've had the same experience, lets say 3u, i grind brachydios for a pallium, none, but I do one quest in a turnz lobby and all of the sudden i have 2 or 3. it once took me like 12 or 13 tries to get the needed amount of scales for a piece of equipment, but once I had the equipment, I got the amount of scales I needed after one quest. all im saying is this: I'm not crazy, we're not crazy, the desire sensor is real and the devs are fucking playing us.
i had to farm the final boss of Sunbreak FORTY. SEVEN. TIMES. to get his rare drop. it should be illegal for monsters with cinematic hunts to have ANYTHING drop for less than 5-10%, let alone something needed to craft the only weapon of his tree. i haven't even looked at the armor yet and i don't WANT to.
edit: for reference, i was using two Gatherer Palicoes (which definitely made the runs much longer, as cats aren't really good for DPS if they're built for gathering) my farming build, with Partbreaker, Good Luck, etc (which also made the hunts much longer because it wasn't my normal DPS set) and cutting the tail every single time (yet another time waster, because i had to use a weapon i'm not very comfortable with and i never ended up carving it from there anyway). the grind for this material was even worse than the Purple Magna Orb one in High Rank, because even though the Orb has a lower drop rate, unlike Magnamalo, this monster cannot be captured, meaning the more lucrative rewards from Capture Master and the time saved by capturing is gone. by myself and with good randoms i was averaging 15 minutes per hunt, on bad hunts where i wasnt paying much attention or was just generally bad i was averaging 20 or even close to 30 minutes per hunt. i sincerely hope i never get a grind like this again. i've had terrible grinds before but this one was by far the worst.
Great vid. I've never had this issue for some reason. :)
I had the exact same situation with deviljho gems and zinogre jaspers in mh3u for the deviljho set.
It took me three weeks of grinding to get them.
the guy that said "just joined pog" when you put the stone jpeg on screen lmao
LMAO i felt so bad
I played this game as a kid because I got a subscription to Nintendo Power magazine and they wrote about what a phenomenon the series is. They stressed that this game coming to Wii was a special first and Nintendo fans should take advantage. Needless to say my 9 year old ass bought it full price and could not beat it all. This cruel game put the fear of monsters in me. But after my friend showed me Dark Souls I knew I was ready for more. Imagine my surprise when I picked up World and Barroth was like the second guy. As an adult this is one of the series that can convince me to get a console or PC upgrade, but part of me still laments how seemingly every rock, stick and sprig of grass will now conspire to help you slay a monster. The Monster Hunter I grew up with made you pick up individual whetstones, sharpen your lame ass "monster buster 2" or whatever weak weapon you could scrounge and put you against some absolute terrors.
Watching your friend get the stuff you need and vice versa is the way. Back when I replayed 4 with a friend I don't know how many times we had to farm Sinister Astronomy because of her bad luck. On the other hand when I needed something in Iceborne... Oh, you wanna make a Brachydios set and some weapons? Well, I don't care about it so don't mind me dropping two immortal reactors in a single hunt and another one right after a couple more!
There was one time I got three large elder dragon gems from one namielle hunt randomly in world. Not even a week later I was trying to craft a weapon and needed ONE more, just a SINGLE GEM and what I was met with was one of the most soul crushing grinds I’d ever done in my life. I went through 50 different investigations and it took me a month before the game gifted me with the presence of the gem in my rewards. In short, I hate the desire sensor.
I know exactly what you’re talking about, in sunbreak I wanted to make a shagaru armor piece, whichever one needs his mantle I think the chest piece, hunted him 20+ times, gave up, few days later I went to fight him to practice because those 20+ hunts didn’t help me get better against him only winning with one cart left, but in that hunt where I didn’t cart and just wanted to practice I got 6 god damn mantles
Upon reading the phrase "Zorah Magdaros Gem" for the first time, my heart sank and I just sat there in shock for a good 30 seconds or so
This hits so hard. Grinded through 8 anjanath hunts last night trying to get his gem for the speed eating charm with nothing. Took a break to hunt a couple of Nergigante just for fun and got 3 gems in 2 hunts
Damn Rathian Spikes. Didn't matter how many captures I did or tails I cut.
lmao thank you for showing ur journey, this video was really well made .
the Desire Sensor and the Grind are the true essence of the game, that's why u feel more accomplished in the older games when u FINALLY finish a set of gear !! Monster Hunter 4ever, I'm currently tryin to get me a Brachydios Stone (20 hunts in) wish me luck ))
Heck, back at portable 3rd I needed a single Jasper (Zinogre's Stone or smth) and it took me 56 hunts 30-ish captures.
I had this same experience in MHGU, I was trying my hardest to find a Rathalos Ruby for an armor piece and it took me 45 or so G Rank Silver Rathalos hunts to get one.