What's the Perfect Aftermarket Tire Replacement for Your Rivian?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- We discuss our tire replacements and why we went in totally different directions for our RIvians.
Toyo Open Country R/T Trail vs. Michelin Defender LTX Platinum both in a 275/65R20.
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Glad y’all are back!
Thanks David, we're glad to be back! Had to figure some things out, but hopefully we're all set now.
You are right; this was perfect timing, at least for me. I have 24k on my R1T with 20" ATs. I think the LTX might be a good option for me as my driving is more like Skyler's. I went with the 20's mainly because of what you guys and others said about the availability of aftermarket tires plus I wanted to try out off-roading. Now I know that most of my driving will be on roads but I want to feel comfortable with Forest Service roads and light off-roading. It seems like the LTX with maybe some dedicated winter tires will be the best way to go. Thanks again for a really useful video!
Thanks guys ! Great insights ...
100% agree with going with the 20" wheels. Many benefits like forged wheels and many tire options. I downsized and went with 275/60R20 Pirelli all seasons since I mainly drive highways. Gets the overall diameter to be similar to the 21" and meets the load requirements
good job guys. looking forward to more content.
Thanks Gerard
The M-LTX are awesome tires - speaking from my experience on my 4Runner. I’m sure they put the same quality into the whole line. I plan to buy Michelin LTX for my R1S 22s when ready.
Got the Defender Platinum a few days ago. Couldn't be happier.
Skylar, you just saved me from thinking I was crazy. I thought that increased noise on my 20" AT was my imagination but definitely noticed it somewhere between 13-15k miles. Unfortunately, my full size spare didn't arrive until after I'd had 10k miles. So I'll probably go with Pirelli's again, do a 5 tire rotation and then see whats out there at that time. Maybe the Defender LTX like you did.
Perfect timing on this video. I'm at 31k on my R1T and I'm looking at tires. I was leaning towards BFG ko2 because I have had them on a lot of vehicles in the past and they lasted longer than any other AT that I've used but hearing about the range loss that Jimmy has and the efficiency that Skylar has been getting I'm tempted to go the Michelen route. My lifetime efficiency is 2.17mi/kWh and I would like to keep it near there or better. Keep us updated on the efficiency and ride of these tires. I can probably get another 5k out of mine before I need to replace them.
😢glad you decided on the Defenders . They are awesome tires and are great in snow and are so quiet! I am driving on the Defenders LTS M/S with 25000 miles and they ride like they were brand new.
I would be interested in seeing how Kyle’s tires do in snow. Interesting tread pattern
Excellent topic! Every Rivian owner wants or will want advice on OEM replacements.
Ditto. Great topic.
Agree w/ Skyler 100%. Pirelli's drove me crazy w/ noise but I waited it out until 35K miles. Replaced them with MICHELIN
DEFENDER LTX M/S and noticed an immediate difference. Super quiet. Have had them now for about 10K miles and they're still as quiet as when I got them.
LTX M/S is what I had originally planned.
@@skylerwilliamsMichelin is releasing a non LT 275/65R20 in July here in the US of the Defender LTX M/S2. It will be marketed as a EV tire also. I am trying to hold out for those on my T
@@flexia32 Make sure it has proper load ratings. It will probably ride a bit softer, but I prefer LT due to the weight of these Rivians. I also think steering response will be better on LT, which I've really been enjoying on the new tires.
@@flexia32 Any update on these?
I agree with Skyler that the stock Pirelli's probably aren't the best rock crawler tires, nor are they best on road. But I've been VERY impressed with them on both gravel roads and snowy roads. Now this could be attributed to the R1T traction control being so good it's omniscient. But traction on ice/compacted snow is good, and on 2-4" of unplowed snow, it's amazing. They also do a great job of staying neutral on gravel roads. I have the same Toyo Open Country RT/Trails on my F-350, and they're not nearly as good in the snow. I normally love Michelin for quality and smoothness, but that tread pattern looks really iffy for those low traction scenarios. I'd love Skyler's take on how they work in snow and winter roads.
Been waiting for some of this exact info...curious to see how the Defender Platinums work out....getting some definite noise w/ the stock Scorpions and looking for an AS tire for my next set. TY
Thanks for the vid. On my stock AT 20" tires for 2022 R1T I did the four-tire rotation regularly and got less than 25K miles out of them before they were basically bald.
I'm guessing you either drive hard, have it in Auto ride height, or change heights quite a bit.
Damn. I still have the stock AT 20” for my r1t and I have 45k miles on them. Still have life left. I mostly do highway driving
I’m at 28k miles, still have decent tread but they’re showing some wear and they’re noisy so starting to shop around. I’m curious, do you drive in conserve mode a lot?
Same exact experience as you; at 15k the noise started driving me nuts. Up till then I was VERY impressed with the on and offroad behavior of the stock tires. 15k just isnt enough miles for a set of tires though. I was split between the platinums and BFG KO's or the Toy open country AT3's. I ended up going with cooper discoverer AT3 XLT's. They took a second attempt to get the balance right, then about 1000 miles or so to "break in" (I havent had that experience with other tires in the past). Prior to the swap I was averaging right at 2.0 miles per KWh, with the new tires I get about 1.8 miles per KWh. Thinking back now, i kinda wish I had gone with some LTX defenders for the range.
Hi Skyler, thanks for the tire info. Sounds like what I need for my cross Canada trip (as soon as Superchargers are open). Have you noticed any range/efficiency improvement with the Michelin's? Usually noise reduction means better efficiency. Keep up the awesome communication!
Thank you for another exceellent video/review of tire options. I went with the LTX Platinums as Skyler chose. These are as quiet as he describes and look great. My question is for Jimmy and awareness for all owners - What did yo do for installation with your aftermarket step/rock sliders on your R1t - Discount tire would not lift my R1t with the EV1 sportline rockslides/steps on my R1t - I had to bring them the wheels/tires, 2 at a time ,then put them on my truck! Rivian/EV1 need to get together on this, becuase there is no guidance out there for tire companies.
Larry
I showed my Discount Tire personnel where the new jack points were and they jacked the truck. ZERO issues. There were very receptive. I had to show them a second time as it was different employees but now I don’t even have to show them.
Skyler, Jimmy, thank you for the video. I have the 21 in wheels. I am planning to purchase the OEM 20 in wheels and get the Michellin Platinum tires. How is your efficiency? I do a lot of long-distance highway travel. I also pull a 7000 lbs travel trailer occasionally.
Y’all this is a great topic. My R1T was spec’s with the AT’s. I have just under 35k miles on my vehicle and the Tires are ready to be replaced. Over the last couple of weeks I’ve been trying to decide what to replace the with. I was not too impressed with the Pirelli’s and honestly don’t need AT’s. Will probably go with a good all season tire.
Check out the Michelins in this video or the Continental TerrainContact HT. I went with the latter as the Michelins weren't out yet, and they are great!
I did the tire research before locking in the configuration, and the 20" was the way to go. We also don't offroad so we were going to use up the OEM AT tires and swap to AS tires. Skyler's findings make me glad to hear I made the right choice. With the defenders do you see an increase in range?
Did more of a typical city/hwy mix & got amazing efficiency today. Still need to see how it averages out over time.
I'm still at 7/32nds on my stock tires at 26k. Gonna go with Continental Terraincontacts when it's time. Figured that'll be around 32 to 35k. Have them on my Ram. Great tire. Quiet. A little less aggressive but still capable off road. Better reviewed than the Michelin. At least on tire rack.
Great video! Finally, a discussion on tire options. Any thoughts on the new Toyo Open Country A/T III EV tires? Planning to switch my R1S L stock 22s to the 20in BR Voltaic wheels with either the new Toyo’s or Falken Wildpeak AT4’s. The Michelins do look good tho 👍🏼
I have my 2nd set of Toyo AT2s on my HD truck. They've been great, and I think the 3s are supposed to be better. No hesitation in highly recommending the Toyos.
Would you guys take the 21s or the 20 wheels with the Michelins to a mountain pass like engineer pass in Colorado?
I’m hoping for a Nokian Remedy WRG5 for my 21’s - not sure they’re made in that odd size though. :) Definitely going on my Model3 when this set wears down in the next six months.
I hope you guys follow-up on this a year or so from now. I've got the 21" wheels with OEM/Pirellis and have been very satisfied so far --sorry to all the Pirelli haters.
In the past 18 months, I've done about a dozen off-road trips that included rock-crawling, dry dirt, mud, and snow. I've never felt tire-limited. In fact, seasoned off-roaders frequently can't believe what the tires can do --it makes them a little uncomfortable sometimes☺. I get comments like, "Wow, I can't believe you just did that on road tires."
I've also towed hundreds of miles with a 5k trailer & boat combination.
With ~22,000+ miles on the tires, I have an average tread now of 4/32" on all of them. My miles/kWh efficiency has been 2.4 which has given great range numbers.
If you're not off-roading EVERY weekend, there's no "need" for the ATs or anything more aggressive.
Another common complaint about the Pirellis is cost. However, even something like the Michelin Defender LTX Platinum tires discussed in this video are similarly priced --seeing prices today around $425/tire online. So I'm interested to see, over time and mileage, what Skyler thinks of the Michelins.
If your primary concern is aesthetics and looks, I agree the ATs look cooler.
Traction is very good in our Rivians, so aggressive tread isn't needed as much unless you deal with mud.
Living in Florida I am torn. Everything is scattered and as such there is a lot of highway driving and very few non tesla chargers on the east coast (Melbourne area). I know on rocks (Utah, etc) the street tires w/the rivian traction systems work. How well would these AT tires do in sandy conditions like Florida. Really don't want to regret switching to 20's and finding out that range becomes a big issue for me. @@skylerwilliams
Hi Jimmy, Those Toyo’s look like a good fit for me except the road trip range loss you registered on your Tampa trip is a nonstarter. What was the outdoor temperature when you marked your efficiency on the Toyo’s on your trip to Tampa?
I was doing some range testing with various rooftop loads last month and found any daytime temperatures below 60 took a hit that was at least as strong as that from certain equipment drag. Below 55 I lost about .3 to .4 mi/kwh. So, I’m wondering if ambient T was a contributing factor and it’s not all on the tires?
We left Jax with the temp in the low 40s.
Looking @ Michelin Platinum 295/60/R20 same diameter as stock almost and little wider. R1t LA SILVER
Skyler any thoughts on clearance?
You would might get a slight rub in some situations...sharper turns at lower ride heights, uptravel situations off road, etc.
My *guess* is that it would be fine, but I don't have firsthand knowledge.
My Pirellis drove me nuts with noise and so I replaced them around 20,000 miles. Went with the Continental TerrainContact HTs and love them for the most part! Perfectly silent, smoother riding, better handling, and sensational wet traction. Only problem? They are HEAVY and this results in their efficiency being identical to the Pirelli ATs. Was really hoping for better range, but ah well! However, guess what? The Michelin Defender Platinums are even heavier :(
I think the low speed stop/start efficiency went down a bit (likely due to tire weight & getting them moving), but steady driving efficiency appears to be better.
@@RivianStories Makes sense. I'd argue stop/go traffic means you are likley near home and can charge easily. Road trips where you need DC charging are probably less impacted by the stop/go efficiency loss.
How did your Rivian efficiency change with these tires?
In Florida and Texas i guess you are not in need of snow and ice traction - im in central California and travel to the mountains during the winter - would like to consider a all weather tire with snow and ice capability
I decided im going with the Continental Terrain Contact HT on my 20"
I am down to 7/32" on my 21"s so it will soon be time for replacement. I found a 21" AT tire set. Falken Wild Peak 265/45R21 . Has anyone tried these before? They should be good for the weight, but dimensions are different than stock
That is almost a 3” height difference. I would stay clear of something that drastic.
We have the 22s on our R1S .. when we had to get some work done for our S, the service center gave us an R1T with the 20s.. they drove better, but my god was it noisy. So much so, that I would never get those 20s. Are the aftermarket 20s just as noisy or are they much quieter?
MUCH quieter. OEMs weren't bad either until around 15K for me (standard ride height almost all the time).
21" option: Michelin Defender LTX M/S 275/50R21
Any update on the Rivian community discount for the Michelin Tires? I'm looking to purchase a set.
Wait what??
Jump to 21 minutes on the video. @@rjsimoncini
Any updates on the Michelins as far as ride and handling. Thinking im going to try the Continentals. Pirellis have been killing me with flats never had this many on one vehicle 3 flats within a year of ownership. Screws and nails on highway driving. Continentals show better on paper than the Michelins for my driving style, highway 80 miles a work day round trip no snow action or off roading (planned). Lol
Same
W the flats I thought it was just my luck lol
Great topic. Wondering if Skyler has any info or personal experience with the Michelins in snow? Also, do they track well on the highway. The main beef I've had with the Pirellis on my R1S has been the feeling that they drift slightly at highway speeds.
Zero drift, much more solid-feeling, and then very quick steering response.
@@RivianStories Good to hear. Great video Skyler, and thanks for the feedback. Love the look of the Michelins on your Limestone R1S (my config, too.)
Why not the Defender LTX M/S2?
When is the georgia traverse coming??
I would like to join.
Did Loved to hear the feedback from the tire you both got. I started checking on optional tires since I purchase my R1S. My default is probably for Ko2s since we had it on both my GX and my wife 4runner. My wife got 92K miles out of them (E rated, 10ply, so much stiffer).
I did see a local Rivian with the Michelin agilis Crossclimate and I have being curios how they have behave for him. I may stop him one of this days, and update the comment.
Did you mention if there was a better efficiency on the michelin's?
Thanks alot great content as usual.
We did complete the Georgia Traverse back in October of last year. It was awesome. No plans to do it this year...yet.
@@JimmyfromRivianStories oh excellent Jimmy. I did it march last year but did not had my Rivian. I was looking forward to do it again. Thanks for answering.
Excellent efficiency today, 10%+ better than normal in mixed driving. Still need to see how things average out over time.
Skyler, is your R1S painted limestone? Looks sick.
Maybe I missed it, but what was the range impact with the Defenders?
Still wondering about the defenders? I need to get some tires sOOn!
Can I replace my HL275/50 R22 with DEFENDER LTX M/S2? I'm more concerned with understanding if the HL275 can be replaced with 275/50 R22 tires
As long as all specs are the same or greater, then yes. You just need to be mindful of the capacities of one brand of tire to the other.
Very interested in the LTX Platinums, but am concerned about winter performance. Seems like some mixed reviews here.
I think winter performance might be a downside. They are M/S tires, but the rubber compounds used in long warranty tires don't always do the best in the cold.
I had 21 inch wheels on my R1t. As you know there is no replacement tire other than Perelli scorpion. This tire did not last. I ended up changing to a 20 inch. I chose the Michelin defender platinum 275/65/20. Awesome tire that has a 70,000 warranty. This is the best tire option as a daily driver
Where / what rims did you buy? I'm in the same boat. 21" wheels on R1t and scorpion tires are done at 16k miles.
What wheel (rims) did you get and how much is that?
What wheels did you get and how much were they?
We both still have the factory 20” wheels.
Any suggestions for snow/ice and everyday driver
Full snow tires with studs. I use Winterforce studded snows on my Rivian and they have been amazing. Two winters now and hardly any wear. Studs are for ICE, but they help keep the rubber wear down a bit.
Talking about a single tire for year round?
I'm a Michelin fan for all season tires, and have heard good things about the Agilis CrossClimate.
@@skylerwilliams Also looking hard at these…hate to admit that looks count somewhat. The Pirellis always looked great. Crossclimate 2’s on another vehicle and they have been awesome.
I have 46k on my original AT 20” for my R1T. I think I have about 5k more in them
What are the alternatives for the 21" road tires?
Unfortunately at the moment there is no alternative that I know of. That is the only tire in the market on that size. It may change in the future.
Unfortunately as of now there are none. 21 runners are stuck with the stock pirelli
If your budget allows it, buy a set of 20 inch rims and get the 275/60/r20 tires E rating. The circumference of that tire is almost identical as these stock 21. That way your vehicle will be accurate with odometer and speed. The 20 inch rims opens a lot of doors.
I can see buying oem pirelli for the 21’s and a winter/AT setup for the 20’s in the 275/60/r20
You guys drive a lot, surprised how many miles you have already. How's your battery doing with all those miles? curious if you have noticed degradation at all?
Battery health is 93 or 94% per the truck. We haven’t really noticed.
How do you check your battery health?
@@JimmyfromRivianStories
@@zeusgetsbored9020 the secret, not secret menu.
Just curious...why did the show stop for so long?
Life, my friend.
@@JimmyfromRivianStories all good. Glad you guys are back.
Meanwhile those of us on 22" wheels are saying "you got 20,000 miles out of your tires?" All 4 of my OEM Pirellis were at 3/32 at 14k miles even rotating every 5k miles
Same here, I think we should all submit a warranty claim for this poor tire selection by Rivian.
Wow! Yeah, that's no good.
@@skylerwilliams Discount Tire and the Rivian Service Center agreed it was normal for the 22" tires. I'm having to budget $200/mth for tires as a result
I'm in the same boat you are with the 22" wheels and 3/32 at 14K miles. Frustrating for sure. I'm leaning toward the Continental TerrainContact H/T at this point as I don't do much off roading.
"P" or passenger rated tires aren't a "car tire", you should seriously consider the consequences of switching to an LT (light truck) tire - worse range, worse noise, worse handling, just to support loads you are most likely not carrying unless you trailer heavy loads consistently. The sidewall durability is not any better, actually having a more maliable (sp?) P rated tire is often better off road.
Consequences were considered. That is what we discussed in the video and why we ultimately chose to go the routes we did.
No offense, you guys talk soooo slow. I sped it up x2 only then is it bearable.
Offense taken 😁. Thanks for sharing your opinion and watching.
This guy sounds like he's half asleep...
I was. You couldn't tell?
If 95% of your driving is on road, then just get street tires or all-season tires and call it a day. Don't be a poser, worrying about a rugged look. All-terrain tires are for people who drive off-road frequently, but still spend lots of time on the street.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!