FINALLY someone explains the difference between WINTER and ALL WEATHER tires! | Gears and Tech
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- It can be very confusing trying to understand the difference between each tire type. Let us break it down for you in plain English!
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It's a pitty that an influencer like you encourages the "amazing year-round solution" provided by the compromising compound of the "all weather/seasons" tyres through giving leads to such a bad "2 in 1" false promise.
Because the only connection between the car and the road is the set of tyres and whoever doesn't care about him/herself and the others in the traffic (a simple matter of protecting life, the most precious gift) is really stupid (uneducated is still stupid) and dangerous.
According to the tests that anyone can find on yt (I am not giving names), the measurements show very clearly that such "amazing solution for the whole year" is far below the winter tyres in the winter and far below the summer tyres in the summer. The only time that such a compromise would work well sometimes (mostly in the wet) is for a few weeks in the spring/fall (I am thinking on doing this - getting a 3rd set, of AW, tyres), around 7 degrees Celsius.
The cost (an often used argument) is mostly the same, except the necessary changes (that are very good for rotations, checking the brakes, alignment, balance etc. - so the changes' cost is an excellent investment for the drivers that want to be better). While I destroy one set of Bridgestone Blizzak LM005 and one set of Bridgestone Potenza Sport, others will get already to a third set of Michelin CrossClimate 2+ etc.
I appreciate your channel and your approach, but please be more responsible about your (both direct and indirect) advices, as we need to educate for safe roads.
Thank you!
I am not an expert on tires either, but I appreciate all this valuable information explained with such clarity and honesty because you never talk about brands, only about characteristics that we should know. Thank you for your time and sharing your experience and knowledge.
Thanks for stopping by. I'm glad you enjoy it
Yea
Nice job. I have only one objection. You said summer tires handle bad in wet conditions, this is just not accurate. If the temperature is around 9°, 10°C and up, summer tires handle best in dry/wet conditions. No question, no competition, proven in many tests.. That's a fact. Thank you for making this video.
Нет, всесезонки будут лучше при такой температуре и влажности.
The worst thing about winter tires is still having to deal with drivers who don't have winter tires.
Exactly
I get by just fine without them in MN, never had an accident in almost 30 years of driving. Just have to know how to drive.
@@mplslawnguy3389well like he said. They're ok. If you visit anywhere that has a Mt. In the name I'm betting going 60 around a 45mph corner while descending said mountain is not in your wheelhouse. Mom was from Minnesota and Pops from Chi town, nice and flat as hell out there. I could drive racing slicks and "get by" out there.
@@mattmann1972 Going 60 in a 45 descending down a mountain in the snow is not in anyone’s wheelhouse lol.
No the actual worst thing is reading comments from people who use them declaring their superiority over others.
Bloody excellent video dude!! A lot of people would greatly benefit from the information you've laid out here.
Straight-up the clearest explanation I've heard. I run the same set-up in Maine that you use.
I love how this channel answers those questions we all have at some point or another
Glad to hear you're finding value in the content. I have plenty more coming.
Also, if you have something you want to know about just let me know.
Good thing about changing tires is you get a good look at the brakes etc. and can take action accordingly.
On modern cars you have brake sensor for that.
Great video! Like the way that you compared each tire type. Even though we live on Vancouver Island with its relatively mild winters we change over to winter tires in November. The softer compound found on winter tires in cooler/cold temperatures ensures better/safer driving.
Thanks for the info!
I tried the Michelin Cross Climate 2. They are the unicorn tire. I use them year round now and live in the Canadian Rockies. I’m really amazed at how well they work.
Biggest difference I would say is the compound . Winter tires remain soft and pliable in extreme cold / snowy conditions .
Absolutely
So does Michelin Primacy 4 but its still not suitable for winter. But you got a point, Hankook winter tires are so bad because the rubber is unsuitable for winter, they are basically studded all-season tires.
@@pflaffik I Agree . Salt on roads will save lives . Take Care
@@trevorgwelch7412 Nope. There is much more grip on a loose snow than in salty mud.
@@pflaffikшипованные все жёсткие по резине, может быть только Йокогама более менее похожа по составу на зимнюю.
Ability of the driver is the most important thing for Winter driving. I came from a non-snow area and had to train myself in this. Had a 4WD vehicle, but bought "beater" cars in the many places I moved to for work. Would take these cars out in big snowed in parking lots and push them to see what they would do for steering and braking. Great fun, and it made driving them easy in normal situations where you took more caution.
I did the same thing when I was a kid.
Now I just bought a car to take drifting on the ice over the winter and plan to get my kids out there too so they can practice
I am watching from Maghera Northern Ireland,Thank you for posting this very informative video,Keep up the good work
I live in a Vancouver suburb. Problem is we get crazy snow for a couple of weeks a year. It looks like a winter wonderland, then we get our usual 5 to 6C weather with rain and it is gone for a couple of days. I used to forgo winter tires and just go with all weather until I moved to a higher altitude area. More snow and steep terrain. My 2019 Honda Accord now has winter tires but I still can’t get up steep hills. 😅
I would have to agree with you 100 percent. Tread pattern is important but rubber compound makes a big difference. Decades ago I was involved with dirt track racing and rubber compound was a big deal as well as for how the track was wet or drying out. So you are spot on with your information.
Thanks for the validation
You have a great sense of humor. I accept your credentials, and wish you success.
One of these days I've been meaning to do a q and a type video where I can actually talk about my credentials
I live in Ontario (south east). For 12 year with my 2005 Ford Mustang GT I used winter tires (in November, December, January, February and half of March) , then all seasons the rest of the time. That worked great for a 300 HP rear wheel drive vehicle. 2 years ago I got a 2020 Subaru Outback and I didn't get winter tires for it until this November. Manly do to expense but the car ran fine the winter with all seasons because it is 4WD. I decided to get some Michelin Latitude X-Ice winter tires on steel rims through FB marketplace for $600 (used for 1 season). We don't have any snow yet but now I can't wait for snow to see how the car with drive. Great video, you have a new subscriber.
You'll love it
Check out our drifting videos of our imprezza from last winter.
This year I have a new imprezza with studded winter tires for the track.
good info no one ever explained it this well before. thank you
Thank You very much for explaining in detail ❤
Important Correction! Bridgestone Blizzak are not an All Weather, they are a Winter Tire. Bridgestone’s All Weather Tire is called “Weather Peak”
I think he said that…
Excellent tire that one! Very solid choice.
I can’t think of anything missing from this video !! Absolutely amazing explanation !!
Glad you liked it!
Great review , thank you . I wished you had discussed tread depth on used tires and the legal requirements . Here in British Columbia , tread depth is checked by the police on the highways .
That's a great explanation of siping. I didn't understand this word the last time that I heard this word. As a Canadian I think that winter tires are absolutely necessary.
Great information.
Guy Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
First time viewer and I subscribed.
Your presentation is excellent general information. Having driven OTR trucks last century, in the 48 and Canada. There is a joke that there are only 2 seasons. Winter and Construction.
When I lived in Colorado, I had the experience of winter tires failing during winter. I towed my Jeep from Denver to near Moab. Just a little bit into Utah, two of the Jeep tires started chunking, and failed. This happened during the first half of April. And I dealt with snow and ice over the mountains.
Generally All Season tires are very flexible down to 45°f. But tires are very complex. Every brand has some garbage product lines. But even those tires can be excellent in specific situations.
My current operational vehicles are 4wd diesel pickups and 4wd SUV's. My wife's Cummins powered beast requires a very tough tire. Our Ecodiesel has the same tire, but gets amazing tire life. Both are running General APT tires, which is an all weather tire, and have LSD differentials. My Jeep ZJ project vehicle has General AT2 tires. My daily driver '20 Dodge Durango has Continental HT tires which are similar to Michelin LTX tires. I had tried Toyo AT3 all weather tires. They were okay, and wore well. But were not as good as the General ATP tires or even the Continental HT's, on snow and ice.
I tried Cooper AT Maxx tires as a tall and skinney experiment on my Ecodiesel. I had them siped while on the rim. The transformed from marginal on ice. To outstanding on ice, snow, and rain. Siping on the rim greatly improves many tires. I find that straight sipes work better than squiggly sipes. The squiggly sipes pick up bits of sand and gravel. Which diminishes traction. Ribbed tread designs offer a smoother quieter ride. But angled blocks give better traction while offering a smooth and guiet ride.
I carry Auto Socks for a traction device. And have never had to use them. I travel between California, Nevada, Northern Idaho, and Colorado. My 51 years as a licensed driver. Tells me that summer tires are generally good for racing and drift cars. But siping can change that. But the shoulder of the tire is critical for longevity and handling. And angled tread blocks are are the best on any grade tire.
But as you said, tires are very complex. And your presentation is excellent basic information for the common driver.
I appreciate the comments and the validation. Glad someone realized my explanation is a general understand for each type of tire, rather than get caught in the weeds arguing about a specific summer tire that's better than a specific all season, or vice versa.
Yeah definitely feel that I'm on NH we have three four months of summer the rest is winter great video and information 👍😃
I'm running All Weather tires here in WV. Thy work great, because our snow is really intermittent. We just had a snow that hit quick and the next day it was gone. If I lived in Canada, I'd definitely run winter tires.
I live in MN and good All Weather tires work. They're not as good as winter tires, but they can still get you by. You just have to know how to drive in the snow. Having 4X4 also makes a big difference. I think cars and other vehicles with 2WD benefit most from dedicated winter tires. I'm driving a Ram with 4WD and All Weather is more than enough to get me to where I need to go.
Love the review!!!!👍👍were i am from Quebec always drive with winter tires and my all season tires in the another months of the year !!
4:46 "Here in Alberta we only have two real seasons- summer and winter" so sad but so true 😂
Unfortunately
And now winter has started
Haha! So true, but I think fall and spring are each a weekend - sometimes just overnight!
Here in Victoria B.C. Nokian all weather on Mitsubishi RVR is a perfect pair. Great for all the rain over winter, work well for the bit of snow we get , such as now. Much better than the all seasons by a mile.
Yes for sure, anyone living along the cost of bc would benefit from all weather tires. The few times you get snow you don't have to worry. And the rest of the time they work fine
This is a great video but I don't think winter tires get HARDER in the heat and softer in the cold. I think they STAY soft in the cold and get TOO soft in the heat so they wear down super fast.
Yes, 100% correct... Winter tires get to soft in warm temperature, wears down crazy fast and give very little traction on dry and wet tarmac when it is warm.
Correct! That's why you can't, or shouldn't, drive on winter tires in temperatures over 40F.
@@a64738 I’ve ran winter tires during an exceptionally hot summer and they weren’t that bad. They definitely felt softer than they should be. Compared to my performance all seasons, the winters felt a bit squirrely, whereas the harder tires feel more communicative and like they respond to directions; changes more immediately. It’s definitely noticeable, but it really wasn’t so bad. The winters did wear faster, that’s no surprise, but not nearly as badly as I expected, and I drove them hard. I do drive a sporty sedan with lower profile tires, so perhaps this mitigated the overly sore feeling. Anyway, it wasn’t too bad, but I definitely notice the improvement with proper tires.
For my dad’s car, however, we have just put on winters all year. He rarely drives and when he does he doesn’t go far or fast. We preferred the best snow and ice traction, and the drawbacks are negligible with the way he drives. A few times I have taken his vehicle (an older light suv) on freeways and short highway drives in summer, and I wouldn’t say it’s a sporty ride. But it’s certainly acceptable. Especially for that vehicle type. But again, for his driving it’s plenty fine.
Just my two cents on my personal experiences 🙂
That is correct. Anyone that’s driven a winter tire knows this. I’m actually debating if I want a winter tires in the Denver area because while its great only he morning commute 1-2 days a week it snows and all the times its under 40F. But boy afternoon it is often 50-60F and sunny when it snowed 3” and was 20F that morning. A 40F swing is typical all winter.
Excellent presentation
This is The best video explaining difference between tires 💥 thank you 👍
Glad it was helpful!
If All-Weather tires are almost the same compound as All-Season, just with better tread design, we should hopefully see a reduction in traditional All-Season and inductry move towards just having three choices again (summer, All-Weather, WInter)
Nokias all weather have the best stopping. Distance on ice compared with winter tires
@@daveoconnor9878 Nokia isn't available at my local tire place and I also needed wheels which I didn't feel comfortable ordering online for fear of getting the wrong specs. I ended up getting CrossClimate 2 so I hope that they will be good enough for West Michigan.
More choice more better, let the market decide
@@mikemccormick6128 Have you been to Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor, Michigan ??? i.e. The last time I was on Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor -- there was a place that it's only business was Tires and Wheels.
@@mikemccormick6128The Michelin CC2s work really well winter and summer for me in the Canadian Rockies. They are on a MDX AWD.
Thank you foir sharing this nice video ,its very usefull last 15 years I am driving in Toronto ON and never I useed winter tire only all season tire and I didnt have any problem ,I think if you have good brand of 4 season its not too bad if u drive in winter thanks again from Toronto
Thanks a lot for your outstanding video containing. Now I understand differences between the two.
Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. I live in Edmonton, and I go with studded winter tires for 6 months of the year.
Right on! Studded are great on ice
An excellent review - thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Super awesome explanation.. THANKS
You are welcome
Well researched, informative, and pleasantly presented. You got another subscriber!
Awesome, thank you!
Perfect! Great information. Thank you
Glad I could helpn
Thank you for sharing! Great descriptions.
Thanks for watching!
I've gone through two sets, and halfway through my third, of all weather tires and my thought is they're a great compromise for cars/crossovers or light SUVs that see less than 10k kms per year. However heavier vehicles, or higher mileage ones, often benefit more from a dedicated winter tire's performance and splitting the mileage between two sets of tires; this seems to be a good compromise between tread and compound life. Thanks for a great video explaining the differences very clearly.
Great point!
What a stupid thought. How much is your life worth? Do you want to risk sliding into oncoming traffic or into a tree. or maybe getting stuck and with no one around you freeze to death. I just do not understand some people thoughts. Quit being cheap and stupid. I don't know when this happened, but there was a time when people were smart enough to realize it is your life and everyone at a certain time of year knew it was time to install winter tires.
I disagree. I have a 1 ton service van. Nissan NV3500. I am a Refrigeration Tech. My van is loaded with tools and parts. Refrigerant containers. I have 6 right now at 50# each. I have probably 100,000 kms on my ALL WEATHER tires.
Perfectly explained
Thank you so much
Glad it was helpful!
Well what you have described as an All Weather Tyre in Canada is called an All Season Tyre in the United Kingdom such as the Michelin Crossclimate 2 and Goodyear Vector 4, which both have the 3 Mountain Peak Symbol & Snowflake Symbol on the Tyre Sidewall.
We have 'all season' as well. But they seem to be getting more rare as the lines get blurred
From what I have read, most all weather tire actually have an improved rubber compound ( usually added soy based material) that allows the tire to stay relatively soft compared to their all season counterparts.
Yes. The compound is the difference
There were very few actual "all weather" tire before there were even "all weather" tire category in consumer market. All of them(only very few existed five to six years ago) were in AT/All Terrain Tire category, the most famous one probably would be Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, it''s a very good AT tire, but also drives very well on snow and ice, it will outperform many winter tires in many winter condition, and will outperform most of winter tires in really really deep fresh snow. it's also studdable if it's ever needed. So I will say all weather vs winter, it really depends on which exactly brand/model of tire you are getting.
Funny that Canadians use "all season tires". In Norway, we only use one set of Summer tires in the summer, and then one set of real Winter (spiked/non-spiked) tires during the winter. All season and all weather tires are basically unheard of.
and I always thought of Canadians as living behind the times.
I bought some all weather tires as an experiment for summer and fall hunting. They were also all terrain tires. I figured I would switch to my winter tires later after hunting season and save wear on them. When the pandemic hit I figured I'd keep the all weather tires on for the winter since I wasn't going to travel anywhere far. I can tell you without a doubt they are nowhere near as good as a winter tire. They are a little better than the straight all terrain tire in snow and wet conditions but in winter they get too hard and don't grip as well as my winter tires. My vehicle is very old and the vehicle stability control and ABS don't function well or at all in cold weather if you don't have winter tires. With the winter tire these systems work very well. I live in NB and can get by with an all weather tire but getting by isn't good enough when the car in front of you on winter tires suddenly stops. You need to be able to stop as fast as every other car on the road. An all weather tire won't do it.
I have to agree with you. I had all season tyres in my car and I live in the UK but recently we’ve had a lot of ice which in my opinion is actually more dangerous to drive on that low level snow as cars just skid around in. I had driven on ice with my all season tyres they felt treacherous especially as I leave home before dawn prior to other cars and sun warming up the road. I bit the bullet and change to winter tyres. The difference is light and day, probably the best tyre decision I have ever made. It was an expensive switch but it was a small price to pay for my safety, the safety of my car and the safety of others on the road.
I think the verbiage used, in tire discussions is one of the most confusing aspects of it. I have never seen a A/T tire marked as all weather. However, I have seen and used some A/T tires with 3mountain peak rating. I run 3mtpk rated A/Ts late fall and switch to Blizzak for winter on my 4runner my wife runs Toyo Celsius CUVs on her AWD year around.
Winnipeg is bitter cold and snow winters - last year twice a week blizzards, warms up to like -5 blowing and snowing, then immediately dived to -37 for 2 or 3 days, then blizzard again, and freezing. Cars were loosing their lower grills everywhere as that damp snow turns into rock, I would turn even moderately my Elantra and the sudden snow on the side (not driving in the ruts), I fully expected dents it was hitting so hard - it was like I was hitting cement or dried mud, and parking close to snow, that front would just rub like it was a cement curb - I had to be extremely careful and was often expecting damage when I looked at the car later (many cars - people would get stuck in like an entrance - and they would reverse and the lower front would break off). Plowing (often here 2 lanes become 1 as they just have no place to push it too, lane assist you dare not use) it is ice ice ice until they get sand down. My factory summers look GREAT but were just terrible in snow and ice - I am wanting all weather as rims and new pressure sensors are like an extra $600 now; and it takes ages to have them flipped twice a year. I am thinking to get all weather by the end of August perhaps. Snows and Rims (apartment so storage a problem - well an additional cost again) - but sensors alone are $50 each they say.
i spent 3 years there. i don't even understand now how humans inhabit the place. i would only ever own a full time 4x4 there with high clearance. basically a Jeep or lifted truck. i can't even imagine what it was like last year. i'd rather live in the NWT or Yukon, Wpg is mental.
You know what you're talking about
UPDATE: I got Bridgestone All-Weather in late September - they were outstanding last winter - like night and day. The bonus is that they seem better for 3 seasons, and it bumps the rating one notch up for stiffer sidewalls - with was fine as my tires have thick rubber on the side 16" rims - so extra stiffness is just fine. Worked out well in any case.
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Very good explanation!
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Great video. Being from Manitoba, and now living in Calgary for 11+ years who drives frequently to the mountains, there is nothing better than running winter/snow tires in the colder months. Some will say they drive on all-seasons and are doing fine and haven't gotten into accidents, which is great, but likely haven't ever driven on winter tires or they simply don't drive a lot to warrant the cost and effort to swap to another set of wheels. Having 2 sets of tires also reduces the mileage per year on each tire, so from a cost perspective, it can be justified while taking advantage of the increased performance/safety when you are using the right tool for the job.
Also, this video would've been great to discuss about all-terrain tires for winter weather. not all are created equal. some have the 3 peak snow flake symbol and some don't. from my experience, my all terrains with 3 peak snow flake do really well in the winter, but are still no match for winter tires.
Excellent points
Perhaps I'll do an all terrain vs winter
I agree about al terrain. They just can't hold up compared to a proper winter tire
@5:58 That's not an example of an all-weather tire. That's a General Altimax Arctic, which is a studdable winter tire (I had them without studs before). Also, the first time in the video you saw siping is in the All-season bridgestone tire you showed earlier. Siping doesn't have to be in a zigzag pattern
Winter tires don't require to have UTQG ratings. All-weather tires have UTQG ratings marked on the sidewall
All excellent info
SUPER INFO. THANKS
You are welcome
great video :) thanks for it.
10:40 I saw a test of tyres where they test in different temp and wet/dry/snow/ice conditions. And suprisingly, summer tyres were better than winter tyres on dry road on -5°C. not by much, but they still worked fine. and they were still good on wet at 0-5°C but that was just water and not ice or something. It was clearly for the test. If there is only 1 cm of snow, summer tyres are sledge and the car is practically uncontrolable. It was tested in the middle of Europe, so there is long use of summer tyres, all-weather tyres works really well in cities most of the time and winter tyres are still the best option if you want to use your car as usual even during winter. We are obliged to have winter tyres from november 1st to march 31th but only if there is weather that could cause icing or snow on the road. it's little difficult, but basically, if there is +10°C or more and sunny, you don't need to have winter tyres.
That's a pretty specific test that created circumstances most drivers wouldn't face
I've rolled on all season all my life living in northern Alberta. This winter will be my first time ever purchasing winter rubber. I drive a 2019 Jetta, and going with the Nitro 3
You’ll be surprised at the difference!
I agree. Once you use a true winter tire you'll never want to go back
Only if you have space in your garage for a whole second set of tires
@@GearsAndTech yup. I put my all season Nokians back on, and guess what 6" of snow. Spring time in Alberta!
I've been using all weather tires for years now. A couple sets of Nokians, some Firestones on my old SUV that were surprisingly good, and now a set of Michelin Cross Climates on my new car. I find them to be a good compromise between convenience and winter grip. Most OEM all season tires are designed more for mileage and fuel economy than grip, in any conditions.
Yep. I grabbed a set of Michelin Cross Climate 2's as winter ended last year cause I was fed up with my tires. I love them. I lose a bit of range, but I'll take that over getting stuck in a ditch, not being able to turn, and rear-ending someone.
I use an all terrain tire on my vehicle because I drive a truck. All seasons work for my aunt as we live where winter is light and if it’s bad enough we use my truck.
Convivence, how much do you feel your life is worth? Dying is not very convenient as well.
@@scrambler69-xk3kvdude with this approach you should have like 5 sets and put different ones every day based on weather lol.
@@scrambler69-xk3kv Then why don't you drive a tank?
Thanks for a good clear explanation. Greetings from Denmark
You are welcome! Come back any time
We have Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires that we use year round on both of our Subaru’s.
We live in a very mountainous area of north central Washington state.
We live 5 miles from town (25 miles from the city), on a private road that we have to plow and maintain ourselves.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter and have found that the Cross Climate 2 tires are the best for us.
We also have Cooper Discoverer A/T tires on our 4WD pickup.
During the winter we put 260# of sand bags over our rear axle for better winter traction.
Interesting, when we drove through that part of the world we were commenting on how many Subaru there are. Couldn't figure out why. This may explain it
@@GearsAndTech Yes, there are a LOT of Subie’s in our area.
We get so much snow in our area.
We drove Toyota’s for 40+ years and even though they were either AWD or 4WD we had to put studded snow tires on them every winter.
We would drive year round on the factory tires until they wore out on our Subaru’s.
We really do recommend the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires for anyone.
We’ve recommended them to both of my brothers and sisters in-law (they live in Montana USA). Both of them have now put them on their Outback’s and love them too.
I was talking to my brother (he and his wife live in Portland Oregon, Lots of rain). I told him about the tires. He laughed and said that they already have them on their Outback.
I know that your winters in Canada aren’t any worse than ours here in Washington, so next time you are looking for tires check out the Cross Climate 2.
I will tell you that they’re not as good on ice as the Blizzac tires, but we get more snow than ice and we can use the Michelin tires year round.
Enjoy your day, Sir
You are incorrect about the summer tire, it offers the best wet and dry performance IF the temperature is not to low (rubber becomes to hard when approaching freezing).
By wet i mean normal rain conditions, if you run in 2 inches of water there might be better options.
If as you say you go from winter to summer quickly you could benefit from them.
In Sweden that have similar climate most people use Summer tires then swap to Nordic winter tires. All season better fit climates with long drawn out fall and spring where the temperature stays between 0-10 C and you only ocationaly see snow.
In addition to warm summers we get frequent flash rain that will have more than 2” of water you need to drive through.
I wouldn't recommend a summer tire to anyone driving on our climate.
Other places its probably a great idea. Not here though
Tire expert here.
One thing you got wrong was in the summer tire wet handling. Most water is spat straight out the back. It doesn't get channeled to the sides as you suggest. Wide circumfrencial grooves are what gets rid of the water the most effectively and most of the best wet handling tires have big wide grooves in the centre.
Also winter tread depth doesn't really change in passenger car application at all. Truck and SUV vary slightly but passenger car summer and winter tires are 99% 10.5/32 or 8mm regardless.
Awesome. If that's all I got wrong then I'm happy.
Thanks for sharing.
Here in West Michigan, 30 miles off the coast, we get what's called "lake effect snowfall." Translated, that means 3"-6" of snowfall above the forecasted amount. With three cars and two sets of tires, I own 24 tires.
I am looking forward to trying the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tires because they may cut my rubber investment in half.
Im finding the wear life is reduced on the all weather. Coupled with confidence in the snow and ice in true winter, I still run actual winter tires in the winter, and am looking at doing all weather in the summer.
We dont get much of a fall or spring. Thats usually just a few weeks where we can look at swapping our tires over for the next season
Please dont get caught up in the idea that this will work for you. There are many different factors here. Do you drive every day?... is winter stopping you from going out? What kind of car do you own 4x4 eg, How are your driving skills? etc! I have been in the business for over 40 yrs and understand that an ALL WEATHER tire is a gift but it's not. You will always give up something... traction as they wear,, road noise, alignment, longevity, most importantly pure winter traction... there is no tire that will do everything well. Saftey first!
Think it is the same expenditure. 2 sets of tires last twice as long as one set of tires. True, you save on garage space and small hassle of replacing sets twice a year.
U stud your tires
@@drakewesterman9798 Can't. Violation of state laws. They rip up the roads I guess.
great job explaining the tire types. Most people have no clue.
Thanks
Try not to worry about what those haters say and think. I appreciate your time and work on this video.
Thanks for the support
Interesting. They still use imperial measurements system in Alberta. It's very simple to understand, in Canada except BC's west coast all season tires are used from April to end of November and only snow tires for the remaining months. Any 'All season' tires have no traction in snow. That means accelerating and especially stopping, they just don't. A snowboard has more traction ! All weather tires are good in mild winter conditions but the problem is according to CAA, "Their rubber is stiffer than in conventional winter tires and less effective on icy surfaces. In other words, when it gets really cold out, all-weather tires don’t grip as well and all-weather tires wear faster than summer or all season tires so you get a tire that barely makes the grade in pretty well all weather and driving conditions." CAA-Quebec Automotive Advisory Services doesn’t recommend all-weather tires at all. The use of studs, for winter tires, is a double edged sword. Great on ice and hard packed snow but only at low speeds. Studded tires have reduced traction on asphalt and limited traction on ice at high speeds. For those who seek perfect tires you would be required to have on hand a set of; 1) 10 ply "deep lug" tires for hauling heavy loads or serious rocky off road applications. 2) Low pressure tires for very soft terrain and with heavier loads. 3) Rain tires are great in, you guessed it, rain or wet roads (when raining). 4) Racing tires a) slicks for drag racing on "dry" tarmac. b) CI for heat resistance C2 racing on hot abrasive tarmac. C3 Used for well balanced and versatility and all around racing. C4 Racing on twisty and curvy circuits. C5 Used for street racing. Green and Blue coded for wet and racing in the rain. You would need to check driving conditions choose which type best suited and have the tire installed. And what if the weather changed while at work ! It would make it unbearable not only the cost but all that space needed for storage. Obviously we look for a good all around tire for everyday use and in Canada it comes to two types. All season tires fit pretty much that requirement for the non winter seasons but never compromise on winter and only winter tires for that white season. Quality also plays a big part of tire choice. (Stay away from 'made in China') Made in China are cheap (Price) and some are not that bad but are prone to over heat and wear out very quickly. Remember, tires keep you from scrapping your *ss on the road and good tires can often stop two feet short of a collision. Tire pressure is paramount at all times. It saves from premature tire ware and keeps you off guard rails or out of ditches.
I’m watching this a year later and want to thank you for this, still pertinent, information. I put 10 ply all-weather, all-terrain tires on my F150 after my flat on The Dempster Highway in The NWT. I was thinking that the “all-terrain” would help in wetter conditions, but I don’t think they really do. Like you said, they’re okay in rain and snow, but not terrific. The beauty for me is that I have 4 wheel drive. So, when I’m in snow I use that. As well, I will hopefully be down south again this winter, so I won’t have to worry about swapping my tires out. Any thoughts on the all terrain?
All terrain tend to have chunky treads with lots of rubber. The slits in the rubber is what gives ice traction.
Chunky rubber is good for deep snow
Actually informational, thank you sir!
Glad it helped
Best explanation I have seen!
Glad you like it
Excellent explanation of tire types! Don’t discount your expertise; if you’re Canadian, you’re a winter tire expert!!!
We live just south of Vancouver BC, in Washington; just got Blizzacks for my SUV and Michelin Ice-X’s for the wife’s Subie. Gotta stay safe!! In my opinion, pure winter tires are NOT optional Nov-Mar around here. Keeping the winter tires on their own wheels seems to be working out; the local tire shops will swap them for free. Storing 8 extra wheels is not convenient, but a small price to pay for safety. Cheers and safe travels from Bellingham 🇺🇸!
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I have driven Ford Police Interceptors for over 12 years now here in New England (New Hampshire) The only tires that I run are the Goodyear Eagle Winter Enforcer all year long.
Great in the summer, winter, rain cold etc. The tread wear is not bad, I get about 30K before I have to replace them, but I only drive about 5K per year....
I have ran multiple Snows, Yokes, Blizzaks, Pirelli all snows.. Just bought Nokian G4 SUV's are amazing in the rain they are all weather....I am impressed I have not ran them in the snow yet however I believe they will be great based on reviews. The other Suv we have has Goodyear Weather Ready and they have been great as well...I like the Nokian's better in the Rain and on the dry pavement..
For some reason I like Nokian better than the other guys too. I'm not sure if it's Yeats of marketing or if it's actually better.
But I feel good about them on snow and ice
Please report back after running them in snow. Running Blizzaks on one SUV and Toyo Celsius CUV on the other, the CUVS are really good on snow and ice and heads and shoulders above an all season but do not match the Blizzaks on snow or ice. Providing location helps evaluating typical winter weather conditions. I am located in Minnesnowta. Haha!
@@iffykidmn8170 The G4’s are on a 2021 Subaru Outback. I have to say they are an excellent snow tire. I do also have a 2013 Pilot. I did just put new Falken Wildpeaks on it. The day we received about 10 inches of snow and drove both vehicles up the same steep hill and stopped right in the middle. The Pilot I believe because it is heavier drove up it fairly easily with traction control on and later off. The Subaru did the same hill and made it however I did lose momentum and the car did not continue forward with all traction control on and off. Then I backed back down and the Subaru required a full throttle acceleration run up with x mode engaged to make it up. I tried to get both stuck. I believe the Honda was better because it has way more weight. Stopping and Cornering is excellent. Overall I would do the G4’s without hesitation. I have some experience with the Michelins in the Cross Climate 2 and they are a better tire. I sell cars so I drive a wide array of car with different tires and test them every chance I can. Hope this helps.
@@mattscott7037 G4 vs Wildpeaks is telling as most find the Wildpeaks rubbish in the snow. No comparison to street driving but a group of us went up to some OffRoad trails this past weekend which have not been driven yet this winter we have had appx 50" of snow this winter which has settled to about 18"-24". My slightly lifted little 3rd Gen 4Runner spent about half the day breaking trail on 265-65-17 Blizzaks when it was not going back pulling Jeeps on 33"+ A/Ts, the few Jeeps that had modified aftermarket heavily sipped A/Ts and M/Ts did not struggle as much but the winter compound Blizzaks were still a better combo IMHO. I sure wish someone would offer a winter tire in something like a 265-275- by 75-17" as the taller profile I feel would help when plowing thru deep snow and anything taller I would have to do a body lift. In fairness I did have to be pulled backwards once while trying to bust thru a 3ft snow drift on a powerline right of way.
Winters differ by region. All season tires can focus on wet like Michelin crossclimate other in snow. I used Michelin for 3 years and it touched snow like three times. To be honest I was very satisfied with their performance. Never had better wet grip all year. It also worked good enough on snow. A big upside is that I didn't have to store other set and pay changes. Tires had more use overall so in cases of light use we would never reach state of "lots of thread left but too old".
That scenario certainly would be a good benefit
When we used to live in Manitoba, swapping out to proper winter tires is the norm, and it is common when you buy a vehicle, especially used ones, they would come with a set of winter tires. The province also has a winter tire program that allows you to pay it through your insurance, this is to encourage people to use winter tires and not end up in a ditch.
But as we moved to southern Alberta where it doesn't get as cold, I find that all-weather tires a suitable alternative to maintaining two sets of tires, I also find it better in handling shushly road conditions, which we often get during chinook periods.
Interesting perspective.
Great channel
I never knew there was a distinction between "all weather" and "winter" tires either -- both have the 3 peak and M+S rating. but note in your example of the "all weather" tire (looks to be like a Hankook I-Pike? I used to run these) it is studdable -- has holes for someone to install metal studs -- studs are unbeatable on ice, but noisy and will tear up the roads, so might be illegal in your jurisdiction and/or limited to certain months of the year). the Blizzak, while a studless tire, is definitely more softer (this is what I run currently) and bites into packed snow better. But on ice, I'd still rather have a studded tire...
Yeah. The all weather is a recent development that further confuses the market. Especially since they carry the same markings as winter tires.
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After doing research, I see that Michelin Crossclimate and Hankook Kinergy 4S2 are the all-weather ( 4 seasons ) tires because the tests show good results over snow (winter). All the other all-season tires are just 3-season tires since they do not performed over snow (winter).
Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady is also an all-weather tire, as is the Bridgestone WeatherPeak.
I have the CrossClimate II and we got hit with early snow this year. Drove around a bit that day then went home and put the X-Ice on….difference is night and day. Real world can be quite different from “tests”.
Not a bad video, but you got a few things wrong.
1. The optimal tire scheme is to use summer tires when the temperature is above about 7 degrees C and Winter tires when the temperature drops below 7. There may be some rare exceptions like when you drive frequently between different climate zones e.g. lowland to mountain etc.
2. All tires get harder when it gets colder. No exceptions. Rubber/synthetic rubber has a plastic state, a transition state where you have a hysteresis between plastic to glass transitioning and a glass state when the rubber becomes inflexible. The rubber blend in winter tires have a lower temperature transition point. It does not get softer when colder.
3. Summer tires are very good in rain. The most significant factors causing aquaplaning are worn tires and high speed. The deep groves running along the circumference is what channels the water away.
In essence, don't be lazy, buy a set of summer tires for use above 7 degrees C and a set of winter tires for use below 7 degrees C and swap when the temperature is mostly below or above 7. This will give both best performance and best economy.
I use to live in the GTA. I used summer tires from May to October and I never had problems in the rain. They gripped very well and made my car like it was on rails. I used snow tires during winter. I now live in Halifax and run all weather/all terrain tires on my suv and winter tires on my wife’s car.
Thanks for sharing
GTA San Andreas or liberty City?
@@ffmmain8673 Greater Toronto Area
hello very good video What tire do you recommend for a light truck 235 75r15 Thanks greetings
I put some Bridgestone all weather tyres on my old ford fiesta as I live in the north of the UK where the roads get real slippery especially the roundabouts. What a difference. I will only buy all weather now
All weather or true winter tires. They make a huge difference
I am deciding on 3Peak Snowflake AT tires for my Tacoma, or strict winter tires. We live in Alberta so it gets hella cold out here. I think if you live outside of a major city, then its safe to use a 3Peak AT tire with chunky tread as you will not have to worry about traffic, lots of quick stops and high population density. In the city, it's safer with a true Winter tire as it's basically you protecting yourself from all the other bad drivers out there.
Also in AB, based just outside of Calgary.
For sure if you will be on the highway or around the other idiots on the road get something true winter rated. The ice traction is what you need.
Out in the country an AT tire should be fine
No. Once you get below 7 degree Celsius, winter tyres are the safest.
Great Video!
Question. I live in Colorado 8500 feet above sea level. I have a set of snow tires I use in the winter. I am looking to buy another set of tires for summer and spring. I am considering buying a set of all season tires I can buy used with 500 miles on them. Rather than an all weather tires brand new. Will the all season tires be sufficient for the first few snow storms until I can have the winter tires put back on when snow season hits? Is there really that big of a difference between all season and all weather tires, if they will be switched out with winter tires? Thanks for your videos!
There is minimal difference between all weather and all season
All weather is better in snow, but not that much better
Thanks for the info …. Buying a new set of “ all weather “ in a couple of weeks for my ‘13 Prius
Glad to help!
Tire working temperature matters , not the dry wet. Summer tire working above certain temperature gains the max performance not matter dry and wet according to the test compare to the all season tire.(search them on TH-cam)
TY. Now I know about winter and all weather. all season, which is what the retailer here in Indiana push are junk.
Glad to help
Hi, thanks for the amazing video! How much winter driving conditions can a FWD civic with winter tyres handle?
Pretty much anything you can throw at it. As long as you stay on the road you'll be good
Lots of summer tires do excellent in wet (from rain) conditions often outperforming A/T style treads
That's true, but many don't handle extreme downpours well. As a general rule, the deeper the tread, the better it will be in wet.
They make special designs in the tread pattern to move water away quickly, but with the same design and deeper tread it would do comparatively better.
Similarly an old summer tire will do really bad against a new one in water
Michelin ps4s fantastic in the wet. I use my firehawks in bc canada and are fabulous in the wet
I have a question... The tire you show at 5:57 appears to be the General Altimax Arctic (NOT the newer ARCTIC 12) - Were the Older Altimax Arctic tires NOT actual *WINTER* Tires???
- I have 3 sets of these OLDER Altimax Arctic on Small FWD Cars 185/70-14 (I have found having more sidewall on the 14" vs. 185/60-15 3-Season Tires, seems to aid in grip, also I get 6mm more ground clearance.) - When I bought these 5+ years ago, they were advertised as *WINTER* tires...I mean, I have had very good luck with them in snow/ice (I wish studs were allowed in MN) But if there would be a better (studless) tire, I would be open to suggestions...I will be replacing 2 sets in a year or two.
Just returned from a trip through B.C. M+S tires are acceptable now in winter on all highways including the Coquihalla.
True story
I recall it used to require the mountain peaks. But the bc website for sure says m+s is fine
The arguement I hear is “why would I want the expense of having two sets of tires.” My answer is two-fold: 1) as you said, the price of a second set is less than the cost of a collision, and, 2) miles you put on your winter tires are miles not put on your summer tirs so they last longer. “Yes, but doesn’t it hurt to be always mounting, balancing, remounting tires twice a year?” Yup, that’s why you get a separate set of rims for your winter tires…one year and they’re paid for. Personally I use Michelin Cross Climate II for my spring, summer, and fall seasons but X-Ice Snow for winter grips.
100% correct.
Summer tires depending on type are excellent on water conditions. In summer you will get the best lap times on these tires even in rain vs other tire types, as long as they are not purposly track tires (that are considered semi slics). Summer tires are soft on high temp's where winter get to soft, and just get to stiff under 5-10 deg celcius and lose their traction properities. They wrote it correct.
Why and when are time lapses important if you’re not in a race?
@@devroombagchus7460 time on a track shows how the tire behaves in extreeme conditions and how much grip it has. Basicly the lower grip = slower time. Kinda basics if you want to know.
I run BFG KO2's on my 2022 F150 and they are superb in snow. Superb. 3 Peak Mtn Snowflake rated.
Awesome
There are several budget winter tires on the market that have sipes designed to wear away long before the main tread, so the tire becomes less and less effective prematurely. Make sure the sipes go deep into the tread! The best snow tires, like the Michelin Cross Climate2 snows use 3D self-locking sipes which can only flex in certain directions and there are "Hakka" and "Hakka R" sipes that Nokian invented that suck water into them. Sipes=good traction in snow and wet.
Michelin Cross Climate and Cross Climate 2 are all-weather tires. They are not winter tires but they are good for winter or any other season. The best tires I ever had.
@@MrCROBosanceros Totally true, I stand corrected, thanks!
I live in the Midwest USA. I have a set of summer tires I use 7ish months.
Should I get winter or all weather tires?
We do get some snow, some ice, but not a lot. We do get occasional days below 0F, but some winter days as high as 70F. Would it be ok to use winter tires for the occasional warm week? Or would I need to switch back and forth?
Some in Canada run winter tires year round
You'll burn off the squishy rubber in one season if it's that warm there. Really you are best with all weather
Aquaplanning and wet weather grip are no the same. Therefore summer tyres can have great wet grip, but suspectable to aqua planning. Many (even high performance) tyre have execeptional good wet grip
I said essentially the same thing and then I saw you already did.
It's called Hydro planning not aqua
I agree with you. But I think in other parts of the world they say aqua
3:51 Tire experts will tell you that summer tires do have better traction than all-season tires on WARM wet roads.
Here's a link to a test on the Tyre Reviews channel: th-cam.com/video/bKtnczk8Mxk/w-d-xo.html
you're really splitting hairs there. In one very specific circumstance the summer tire has suddenly (barely) been able to stop half a foot sooner than an all season tire. This hardly makes the straight summer tire the right choice for a daily driver.
But as I pointed out in the video, for a purpose use vehicle, such as a convertible where you are most likely to be driving in those specific circumstance, the summer tire is an excellent choice.
That does not take away from the point being made in this video. Especially when I only threw the summer tire in as an aside, and not as the main point of the video.
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Yep. They even out braked all other tyres on cold but dry roads too. I've seen that test:-)