How TAU is Slowly Fixing Warhammer
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Dude, if my paddle went the other way, I'd totally bid on you. ;)
Found your channel from Squidmar Mini's. They think highly of you.
Look Bro. What the games need is an app. You punch in your Army stats and let the app sort out all the stupid bits. IDK How but some muthalicka does. Boner Boys ? Really? Really? 🥒
@@ErgonomicChair 9th was actually the final edition of 40k. The rest is Imperial propaganda.
@@blackwind743 I miss armour facings.
I can't wait for the comments on this video to be very normal and rational
How am I supposed to eat soup without an envelope?
You must be a glutton for punishment.
Well we all know what your daddy used to say "you can wish in one hand and shit in the other see which one fills up faster." Smart man.
@@stevenwalsh6179I'd spoon the soup into the envelope and use the lil pointy flappy part as the guide to let flow into your gapeing maw.
REEEEEEEEEE
@@stevenwalsh6179And why would you put croutons in hydrogen peroxide?
Jay, I would like to encourage you to collab with some of the channels That do battle reports so we can See you Play a Game of 40K. The guys from PlayOn Seem to be the nicest guys. You Could also showcase your converted and best painted Black Templar!
Imagine Steve vs Jay.
It is bound to be amazing; Jay with a fluffy list, Steve with a competitive list rolling only 1s.
yes please!! we know he never wins based on his stories, and that's exactly that kind of player we need on batreps cuz he still keeps the enthusiasm no matter what
I’d love to see jay play. I’d be happy with any result but I want to see how he tends to….not win.
Ah it's my second favourite time of year. When Jay does daylight savings 2 weeks before we do and I get to watch EOB episodes an hour early for 2 weeks . I love it.
We already had days lights savings. Unless you in he other side of the world
Jay, tell me you haven't watched the Age of Sigmar trailer without telling me you've seen the Age of Sigmar trailer.
Jay: 4th edition will be about Ossiarch Bonereapers.
He does that a lot dw he’s trying
@@maxspooky8991 yeah I know, and he may have recorded it before it even dropped. It was just a funny observation.
Forth edition will obviously be about the Idoneth Deepkin (there was a puddle in the teaser)
Man-thing not pay attention, yes-yes! Easier to ambush-attack!
The Bonereapers dog thing is going to be for Warcry, AoS is going to be about 4th Edition Stormcast vs Skaven.
Mmmm space Skaven......
Something to consider about the crisis "fix"
If you want the fusion crisis, you need 6 fusion guns. That's fine.
A box of crisis suits has 4 fusion guns.
So you STILL NEED 2 BOXES TO MAKE A UNIT. It is stupid.
It's clever! You have to buy 2 boxes. $$$
It's significantly less broken, 2 boxes makes two units.
Not perfect but preferable to the way it was where you needed piles of Cyclic ions that you get zero of.
@@eps2003d printed weapons were the answer before and largely still are now.
Hell, if people glued their weapons they probably binned their old ones... and will buy even more 3d printed ones now to fix their old units
Could you not just build them the way you want and pretend they have six? Don't understand the hand wringing, don't give GW more money than necessary.
Magnets and 3d printed bits !
Why are we talking about this at this point?
Is there a limited edition model you just can't get your hands on because GW sucks the D of the whales, scalpers, FOMO ? Well the answer to solve all your issues are 1:1 3d files. They are out there and will be infinitely more available than waiting on GW to restock or finding a scalper with a heart who's only trying make 100% profit instead of the usual 300% . Let's not forget the recasters I can point you to some extremely reliable recasters. If GW won't fix the problem. We can fix it ourselves. They are telling you they don't want your money because they aren't making product available for you. So give it to those who do and provide that which you need, want and desire.
I LOVE THE TAU I LOVE BIG MECHS AND GIANT RAILGUNS
Enjoy your twenty new Kroots
@@Neolazaro91I certainly will!
lmao @@Neolazaro91
Just hearing the words: “red vs blue” brought a smile to my face.
I hope we'll be getting Flood models for Halo Flashpoint
As far as I'm aware it's going to be a game that represents the multiplayer aspect. So I'm worried it's going to be all Spartans.
Can't confirm if it's true but I recall Tactical Tortoise speculating about it.
@caboose759 iirc they also revealed some elite models recently
as much as 343 wants you to forget it playable elites are a large part of halo's multiplayer@@flimby872
“I want some covenant” boy do I got some news for you
You know, now that I think about it, the Tau Empire is basically like the Covenant but without the religious fanaticism
@@ChaseDaOrk3767
I think arobe was referencing the soon to release halo wargame, but you might already have heard of that so this comment could be pointless
Wait nevermind, jay just talked about the halo wargame, I'm such an idiot
@@warhound8496 I already know about Halo Flashpoint, I'm wondering I they'll be bringing in the Flood into the game
@@ChaseDaOrk3767 other then the greater good stuff they pretty much the 40k. Version
It's always a blast from the past when someone mentions Chapterhouse. I probably still have their truescale kits bookmarked. That was when GW would drop a codex that would have half a dozen+ units with art a no model that might not be released for *years* with the rules that you could legally proxy it and Chapterhouse swooped in and filled that gap by just making resin options. That was 5th for me. GW sued them into the ground, lost because the 40k names were too generic to copyright, and Chapterhouse went bankrupt from legal expenses. It's spirit shattered and now burns in 100s companies. Very Jodo Dune.
I think 3D printing has really taken up that torch.
Just joined the Patreon as I finally got my first 3D Printer to get some terrain going! Big excited, happy to support 🤘🏻.
It’s a decent take but with only having 3 wargear loadouts killed a ton of versatility in the crisis suits. I mean a core part of the mecha asthenic is having hard points to customize a mech to do a specific or varied job. Also if anyone glued a different combination than what’s legal whole squads are sent to legends, at best it’s annoying and and worst it completely cripples your army as a core part of it is not legal anymore
If they did the thing where custom loadouts were a thing, people would complain they can't be balanced. Because they can't. Who cares if it's legends anyway, use it anyway
I expected GW would find a way to make them boring. But I didn't expect them to absolutely destroy the thing thats is supposed to be iconic about them and make them into bland mono-units, not the super modular 'build your mech' they are supposed to be and which made them cool to begin with. It's like if Catalyst made Omnimechs... not omnimechs. BT fans would rightfully grab the pitchforks. Same goes here... Played Tau since they came out and this is the worst design choice they've ever made for them. It'd be like if Marines lost power armour, or if Guard lost commissars executing people.
Your comparison is a little off, this is more like what they did to van-vets, but you can still use all the weapon options that come in the box.
@@KameSennin4209 nah the comparison is accurate. All personal choice and modular selection is gone now from the unit.
@@Retrosicotte I thought that you could use the unique loadouts so long as you take them in separate units. I was referring to the fact that the van-vet box comes with power-weapons, thunder-hammers, lightning claws, and a power fist: All of which have been reduced to glorified chainswords in the datasheet as 'heirloom weapons'. It's the same type of energy, but even worse.
@@KameSennin4209 Yeah it's really not great. 10th ed is the death of fun.
If I'm not wrong 3yrs x 52 weeks would be episode 156! Congratulations boys you're far and away my favorite hobby-tubers, thank you for everything you've taught us
Jay you absolutely need to play through Halo 1-3 and Reach.
It'll make you say 'wow this would make a great minatures game!'
Thinking 40K having free wargear and fixed unit sizes/ power level, is a good system is the bad take that just keeps on giving
If the equipment was properly internally balanced it wouldn't be a bad choice.
I prefer the free equipment so much more, it makes list building super comfortable.
10th ed's way of wargear and sizes is basically the death of fun.
I feel like the "default" wargear choice should be free, with stronger choices costing extra points.
@@HighEffortUsernamewhy not slots ? Basic troop has two slots and elites have 3 characters maybe 4 or 5. make war gear have points based on how powerful they are ... would really bring back individualization and help in creating more accurate (fluffy) army lists.
@@JohnathanJWells There is no possible way to internally balance some of the wargear choices within a single datasheet. It's just not possible, in any universe, without you giving stupid stats to weapons that don't make sense for them.
Example. Devestator Marines can have a bolter... or a lascannon.
Drukhari Scourges can have a shardcarbine... or a dark lance.
The older Halo models would give some more wiggle room for factions. It were going whit current era that's really only UNSC, Banished, Swords of Sagnheilos, and maybe could could squeeze the Flood and Sentinels in. Going back that gives us UNSC, Covenant, Banished, Insurgents, then maybe the Flood and Sentinels could be squeezed in.
The only one that changes is insurgents, which could absolutely be in newer halos, no?
Promethians and endless:
Banished are also NOT an old faction
3:00 100% do that and have the OG audio play over you 3D printed terrain and master class painted models!
Have you seen the Halo: Ground Command or Valhalla Skirmish game sculpts? There are so many great sculpts from 3rd party sculptors from Halo CE and Halo 2
4th is Stormcast vs Skaven .. Bonepuppy is a warcry thing
Considering infinite has alot of the original armors brought back and it looks like they are mostly taking from infinite we will likely see alot of the old armors, considering they have the ce armor and the halo wars armor
In all honesty they need to have points for weapons because making different profiles for every weapon just lets people spam.Not sure anyone wants to see like 18 units of Scourges flying everywhere :P .
But they still allow fusion blaster spam and don't even ship enough guns in the box to build them
New player here, main tau because gundam mechs are cool and I get a simple palate I like. Lore wise it’s funky but mech wise it’s cool. I get why people dislike them but hey I like them and that’s just fine.
Let me tell you. That is the best way to do 40k. Some people think it's supposed to be a balanced tabletop game... Don't fall into that trap
AoS has to be Skaven vs. Stormcast Eternal with that teaser. Bells, dirty street, a rat running across, "Sigmar Lied"? It's gotta be Skaven.
Please be Skaven. We need new sculpts.
Can't wait to create a Griffball ruleset using the Halo minis.
What you thinking something along the lines of blood ball as guide in terms of how to play ?
So…. How are the Tau fixing 40k?
And what is it that they’re fixing?
I’m not asking to be rude; I’m brand new to the scene; I know everyone hates 10th edition, but I feel like there’s stuff that’s not being said in this video because it’s expected to be understood.
I do not understand those things.
Love your content and I look forward to more soon!
games workshop in next few months is going to pad the numbers on website by having each of the tau crisis suit options be different listing, but all of them are same product. you know... like they do with all the baneblades, the carriages for daughters of khaine, et cetera
That's for new players. They might want a Hellhammer when seeing it in the index, not know it uses the Baneblade kit, and just type "Hellhammer" in the search bar, for example.
It's actually fairly user-friendly.
And GW will ruin everything once the next codex releases
How about a weird model: Citadel lead miniature - Avatar of Khaine that’s barely larger than a standard Eldar pirate model of the time.
If you want to see these Halo Spartans,then you will need to play ODST as they are all in that game.
I kinda wanted a few ODSTs, and everything else from 3. Halo 3 was absolute peak for the franchise man
my guess for the releases are
4th ed sigmar w/skavens (leaked) and sormcast
40k: csm bikers hopefully a jump lord and multi part oblits and venomcrawler
GSC reveals (idk what specifically)
I don’t play often enough of any wargame,but because of that ,I play as tactical as I know. Rules are a numbers geek. Against me it’s the strangest load out and winning through confusion.
Personally I really like the Flashpoint showing so far. though if you want some Reach and a few H3 style STL's there's a few kicking around that were meant for ground battles
If you showed me those models without the Halo logo -- I would never have guessed they were Halo models. You’re right - the classic Halo would work worlds better scaled down.
Anything from 3. Reach and onwards probably wouldn't scale right.
I'd buy an EVA and Mk IV spartan in a heartbeat if I could.
@@caboose759There are games after Reach?
Original Quake monsters would look AWESOME as minis.
How would you not recognize them as SPARTAN? It so easy to spot you can even tell when AI generations pull from Halo.
@@SpottedHares right?
Which statement was more wrong: Bonereapers in the launch box? or that Jay won't over spend at Adepticon? But seriously I hope you have a great time and find lots of cool stuff to make videos about.
15:09 I feel like my inner wisconsinite sleeper agent chip activated after hearing Wauwatosa mentioned 🤖
mechs, samurai based battle suits, and a long range superiority unmatched by any other race the Tau have been my favorite race since i first saw physical warhammer being played, i'm probably a bit biased because it was the only army i really got to play (we had an afterschool club and there were a few armies you could play if you didn't have one lol only a couple people actually owned armies and nobody else ever wanted to play Tau so it was always dumped on me >.
A heavy armoured sisters army might work well
I think I'm most excited for drone models...I need something to run with tau as the vespids
Mythic Americas will be at Adepticon for the first time.
That green halo guy has a frenzy auto
SLAANESH IS MY 40K ARMY **grabby hands** Please GW, give space Slaanesh!
My brother practically spent all of yesterday info dumping about the T'au Mobile Crisis Suits, haha. He's been waiting to see how his army gets shaken up with bated breath.
Those "Halo" guys look like Infinity models. I'll wait for Master Chief, Arbiter, grunts, hunters and jackals.
I thought of you when I read that WarComm article about the Crisis Suits. It's an idea I really like, and I think it will make the game feel like you have actual choices.
I think the cat was actually part of the Tomb Kings, AoS starter will be skaven vs stormcast
welp all my crisis suits have flamer and plasma rifle plus a missile pod on the shoulder...guess I've done something wrong
Free wargear was always a dumb idea. Now we need more cards for different geared out units?? That's just paying for wargear with extra steps.
You just talking about Halo has brought me more joy than Halo has in the last 5 years lol
I like what they did with Knights, same model different data sheets for different loadouts, solves the problem of free wargear internal balance.
Yeah, that’s why I play knights. Purely perfect and flawless pieces of master crafted model loveliness that I believe all other armies should attempt to imitate. They will fail of course, as nothing is as perfect as the awe-inspiring titanic walkers of the imperial and chaos knights, but even imperfect imitation would be a step in the right direction. Excuse me, as I now must return to my endless holy task of building and painting my 15,000 points of chaos knights. Good day to you and I hope you consider knights of any sort (although chaos is the truest expression of imposing majesty) for your next army, or continue to pursue on the path of gathering all the wondrous walkers of your dreams.
Jesus Christ why did I just write that slop I like knights like just a normal amount I swear, I also only have like 4 war dogs and a Chaos Acheron, I just felt the urge to write some weird garbage on the internet to prove I have free will
Your Sea Monster model looks a lot like what people say the Wendigo looks like. All the Drawings i have seen have been pretty similar to that.
The three ion blasters were the issue and they moved to legacy.. Then gw stomped on other wargear, drone choice, and squad size...
Here, new kroot stuff. There, big finger crisis suits >.>'
The whole "wargear costs no points" was the worst choice for 10th.
Havent watched it yet but as a Tau player Im already pleased
8:40 Nah, it's probably going to be Skaven vs. Sigmarines. It's what all the recent marketing has been pointing toward.
I really wanted to get to this Adeptacon but not this year
I'm excited for when you decide to do Morty for your Death Guard, though i understand looking at a model and feeling overwhelmed or just not ready, that's how i feel about my Ghaz, he's still in box and has been for almost a year now...and i'm concerned about building him because i'm not sure if i should leave him in parts for paint or if i can paint him ok as a complete model....
I can't believe they're making halo miniatures
Please!!! Paint up some Sisters of Battle. Would love to see your take on them.
And don't forget about putting a sister on horseback.
Man… I’m still upset over the final shut down of rooster teeth you didn’t have to bring that up now…
However for a fan project to to redo in mini would be fun
I'm a Tau player and I get why many of my fellow Shas'os are upset. Crisis suits are the identity of the faction for many players. Now they are just a small piece of the army puzzle. However, I agree that this change is good for the game and probably good for the army development. With crisis suits, you basically had to take Ion. Now GW can at least attempt to balance points for the unit specific role.
As a tau player for a 11 years I genuinely disagree with everything you say. No wargear is bad. No costumisation of units is bad. No choice is bad. If your game don't include to choose in every sections, then it is a bad game. If you have no choice how to build your unit, it is a bad thing. If you have no choice how to paint your unit, it is a bad thing. If you have no choice about loadouts of units, it is a bad thing. I hate that crisis now have no versatility. That crisis had only one playable loadout with ion blasters, it is a problem with GWs game, not with unit
I’m painting my KROOOOT kill team while watching this
Skaven is gonna.be part of the aos 4 launch box.
I’m looking forward to the pink Drukhari videos.
I like the Ta’u because they are located in the outer rim of imperial space so they can be as “scum and villainy” as they like.
This is going to be my first Adepticon, hope to run into you and say hey!
Heroclix did a halo set and I have a bunch of those models. They are freaking awesome. One of my favorite minis I have is Master Chief with the Fist of rukt hammer.
I remember those. My favorite was the elite honor guard.
Agents of the Imperium is revealed and Inquisitor in Terminator armour is a unit.
You'll see.
As a T'au player, i really DISLIKE the change on the suits. I deeply hate the fact they removed the invul saves (apart from one kind) and the ability to add double shields. Crisis suits will be easy to remove now, and crisis suits, imo, were the backbone for the faction. Also something worthwhile to mention: if you have a coldstar to the suits, you no longer have the +6 auto advance, so the movement start also gets a big nerf, leaving little room to actually make good moves on the field. This change amongst many other makes me wanna drop playing T'au all together.
Emperor's children would be nice but I think they'll reveal Death Company box for BA
He's guessing ossiarchs after the skaven leak and the necromunda rats and the skaven teaser? Is he OK?
Glad kroot is getting some love, the majority of tau models don’t look too dated to me (there’s fine cast and what not but that’s not the point) can’t wait for 60 kroot to clog up the board
156? Doesn’t that make this three years of Models and Memories?
I think if they revealed Emperors Children without Fulgrim, everybody would be disappointed or nerdrageous. But, no Primarch without a tie in with a campaign , like Angron and the Lion.
Please build a Blood Gulch. I would appreciate it
Shoutout to Tosa Zoo 🎉
Episode 156? It feels like episode 3 was 2 or 3 months ago.
PS: Don't Look Back is amazing.
Eons of battle what is thou wisdom
Halo reach is the best halo ever. Hope Nick got his airbrush cleaned!!! Can’t wait to see your death guard!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!
So how are the Tau fixing Warhammer?
It's Skaven my guy.
it's like the Primaris system, you have the same base unit with different weapons, the problem is that you still gonna use the best option and you don't need 3-5 different data sheets more just for the weapons, and compared to the other factions, you end paying more o less just for the weapons vs free wargear, it's basically the system of previous editions!!!!!! So GW it's recognizing that free wargear was hot shit in first place
I think the AOS4th will be skaven and stormcast.
Also, What if you made a video about that inquisitor and at the end, compare it to the rogue trader mini?
Yes! Ignoring space marines I have a good amount of my Orks done and Tyranids and several kill teams! It’s a hidden truth that I thought only knew
Don't look Back gets a high recommend from me!
Crisis suits are no longer versatile. I miss making my own load outs and naming them. It really limits players and playing custom septs.
Id love to see a mini wargame where man-horse-fishes fight vs. man-bear-pigs.
Power Level (free wargwar) has been nothing but a problem. Bring back points.
I'm just getting started with 40k right now, painting my first combat patrol box atm (T'au of course) and all I can say is that I'm glad that I don't know enough about Warhammer yet to be annoyed by any changes GW are making to anything 😅
Although I do appreciate that they made it easier for me to decide how to equip/use my future, yet-to-be-acquired Crisis Suits 👌
The reason people are annoyed is that Crisis suits by definition are a flexible, modular unit that you could equip any weapon you wanted onto, in mixed loadouts of your own design. They were the ultimate in customisable war machines. And the new codex basically bins it entirely for no reason and makes them into bland units of only one weapon type. It's a HUGELY iconic thing about the army removed. Imagine Marines without Boltguns or Power Armour any more and you get the idea.
hear hear. That's exactly what I've been saying. As someone who's been playing Tau from literally the 1st day they were released way back in the year 2001, I'm glad to see GW finally giving new Tau players some direction on how to build the suits, which loadout combos work best, etc.
I've been teaching new Tau players for 20 years now, and I was honestly getting tired seeing new players making the same mistakes with their suit's loadouts again and again, with me having to explain the same thing again and again while accidentally tabling them. I really don't like it when that happens.
To anyone still saying that the old 'build-a-bear' unit was better because it gave you infinite options... all I can say is, infinite options usually lead to infinite mistakes.
Veteran Tau players like myself have basically been playtesting for GW for 20+ years now. We've already done the hard work of figuring out which loadouts are the best/ which ones are even viable to begin with! The names that GW are using like Fireknife and Sunforge? We came up with them! We the old guard of the Tau community. We figured out that missile pods and plasmas work well together, double missile pods are better and double fusions are meta. Those combos have stood the test of time since 3rd edition, so well we gave 'em cool names. Names and loadouts that GW have finally recognised. 😊
The horse fish thing is a Hippocampus...
I do not like the change at all, but whatever. I'm at the acceptance stage now. I coukd have agreed with the 9th edition way of limiting options but this was way to drastic! But okay, you split the crisis suits based on the gear.... why not my favorite, the hammerhead then. The ion hammerhead and the railgun hammerhead also should be two separate datasheets, like it is in the space marine codex. I'm just looking for consistency across my codex of rules and design across the codex's.
I wanted Red vs Blue too :(
Wait wait wait. Wauwatosa? No way.. Small world
I wanna entire needler wielding army. No dice rolls nessacary lol
You would need to roll for supercombine
tom says, its obviosly gonna be skaven for aos
Is it me or does he have the same mannerisms as Abed from community?