@@derekeaton-loken4528that reminds me of the narrative game me and my buddies just played. We called the mission convoy ambush. Basically my combined regiment got slammed in the middle between an orc army and eldar battle.
It would be really cool to have a video where members of the channel discuss what they like the most regarding the factions they play. For example, Tau Nick, Guard Nick and Genestealer Nick just rambling about what they like about the lore or gameplay of the factions they are experienced with. It also allows newcomers to the hobby to be better informed about the various factions whether they are interested in collecting or become better informed when they go up against an army... :)
Idea to tell them apart, Magnetize a shoulder plate with a 'Sun' marking for "Sunforge", 'a Burning Knife' for "Fireknife", and maybe a 'Scythe over a Star' for the "Starscythe", or have similar emblems on back banners like you use.
@@PlayOnTabletopAs i do some saturday house cleaning, i keep thinking of the banners and i think that might be the best idea for showing unit types, since historically a war banner was used to show who was in what unit.
@@PlayOnTabletopI was going to do that as well funny you mention it. But I am very very sad we didn’t get new riptide rules for the forge world riptides. Given how popular they are I’m surprised
I think Nick hit nail on the head with his dig at the crisis suit outrage. People who have been crying 'Muh Flexibility!' really have not been using any but maybe 3 different kinds of weapons. And almost all people spamming suits in 10th were using Cyclic Ion. I am glad he included this line, because really this is what it boils down to. No one was using flamers, no one was using burst cannons, they were likely using Missiles, Fusions, or Cyclics.
Nah. I hate it deeply. From my perspective they took our leman Russ and cut 2/3 of its main guns and made sponsons built into the sheet. Why do the humans get the effort and the xenos get this?
Not really fond of it, myself. I think the solution to the CIB spam was to just limit them to one per suit. Easy fix to the spam without having to go to the extreme of splitting crisis suits into three separate datasheets that only have specific 2 weapons.
The way to fix it was to take away the CIB from regular crisis suits. That's all that needed to happen, one simple change that both solves the problem of "the kit doesn't have that bit in it anyway" and people not being able to give up that crutch and branch out with other options. They went way too far and they're objectively worthless now, especially if the rumored points costs are accurate, they're way too expensive for the pathetic amount of firepower they'll be putting out with only two guns. And it makes no sense not being able to take support systems like shield generators anymore when there's enough in the kit to give one to every suit. When we're at the point where we're removing option IN THE KIT and going against the "Swiss army knife" design of the unit that's been present since day one like 20 years ago... The designers clearly just didn't care, they didn't "get" the army because they personally don't play it and don't have any real passion for it, so they phoned it in as quickly as possible so they could focus their effort on the next Marine supplement, no doubt. Put it out there, who cares, the nerds will buy whatever we make.
They took my Eight Datasheet, my Onager Gauntlet, my Thermoneutronic Projector, my Fusion Blades, my free will, and my paint job. Can't have anything in the T'au Empire.
the kroot is looking like a new army with occasional tau units sprinkled in...looking forward to this box. i am not thrilled about crisis suit changes, but hey, should make the next few months of wargaming interesting.
Btw: Crisis in Cadre activate the grenading fly over when using Torchstar Gambit as well! You can activate it TWICE per turn! (Strat Torchstar Gambit lets you do a normal move, enhancement Internal Grenade Rack let you free grenade whenever you finish a normal move, not tied to your movement phase.
From one taunic to another I think montka was designed for shooting only not actions as the time when you guide a unit is at the start of shooting and that's when the assault ability kicks in from the detachment, to do an action in 10th you forgo shooting at the start of shooting phase.
Man, I don't even collect Tau, but Nick's enthusiasm for the faction is absolutely infectious. His passion for the army is great to see! Looking forward to more Tau.
Just preordered my box, I am SO excited about the new Kroot, and loved Nick's ideas on how to use the new rules, lots of possibilities for the greater good!
Splitting the crisis was a smart move but locking the war gear options just feels bad, my Plasma suits really liked the shield gen and now they're just going to die faster. Also why did they reduce the Plasma rifle range? Was that really necessary?
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 support systems weren't the balance issue neither was the Plasma rifle being at 24". Now our only weapon over 18" range is missile pods.
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 For Fireblade's to be as effective as they were, they would need to be 130pts for the 3 man unit, and they still lose the wargear, the turbo-jets rule, and cant have double drones. How likely do you think we are going to get 130pt Fireblade teams?
Farsight Enclaves for me should be the only tau faction that is heavily melee. Dare i say they should have a stand alone codex just like world eaters for example
You cannot use the free battle tactic for any kind of reinforcement strat like that. You target a unit that has just been destroyed (ie is no longer on the table). Nice idea, but us Nids + Guard players have had the same issues
I think it should work for the shaper, and any other similar leader/stratagem combos, but only if the leader is destroyed in the same set of attacks as the unit. Otherwise I agree that the unit is no longer attached being dead and all
The Empire Strikes Back had me giggling lol I'm very new to the hobby so I don't know what to make of this except for public discussion, thanks for taking the time to talk through it and explain your thought process.
Yeahhhhh Love the Tau as my sedond Army.. just started them. i like the Crisis Suit Changes personally bc the stiff CIB weapon weapon was kinda dumb for me. i will watch every Video about the Tau here on this Channel. ! For the Greater Good my fellow Tau friends !
Having our suits be separate data sheets is ace. Yeah we lose customisation but each loadout plays its own role, roles we considered when making our suits previously. They may have lost shield gens but they gained powerful abilities that help them excel in their role.
Sadly you can't bring kroots back for free with the war shaper since the unit is destroyed and then you use the strat, the warshaper is no longer eligible for the strat since he's dead and the unit is destroyed and brought back without him
According to the designers commentary a model is considered to not be leading a unit after the attack sequence is done. And the trigger for the stratagem is as soon as the unit dies. So yes, you can’t bring back the leader, but I think it’s still works, as you play the strum before the leader dies.
My only complaint regarding the Crisis Suits was for those of us who didn’t magnetize and just built them to look cool. Mine had one plasma, one burst, and one fusion. Never super effective but I had a lot of fun with them. I will say though that it’s not all doom, my group is cool with running the legacy index card for all our casual games. Reminding me why we play, people and fun, not datasheets and meta.
Thanks Nick. I almost missed my chance to preorder my set. Lol. I love the crisis simplification because truthfully those are the only real combinations I play in my games. Keep up the drive for the Fifth Expansion. For the greater good
I like your argument to the whole "battlesuits aren't as versatile" complaint that, while technically true, how many variations actually saw use. As they're arranged now with 10th edition not having point costs for weapons, you have an anti-infantry configuration, an anti-heavy configuration, and a general purpose configuration, which seems like a reasonable compromise. Imagine a Mont'Ka detachment of Fireknife suits getting guided opening volleys, rerolling hits to try and get as many Lethal Hits as you can with the opening strike.
It's a valid point; the CIB was the best option by far and was being used like a crutch. But 1) that's GWs fault for failing to balance the options properly, and 2) easily fixed by just removing the CIB as an option, which is the most sensible thing to do since the kit doesn't have the bit in it anyway and it's the entire point of 10th editions obsession with simplifying/dumbing the game down. They've been doing it for other armies and taking away options the kit can't build, so it was expected here. You will have players using other builds because without the CIB dominating the wargear list and standing out as the most obvious best choice, and people who still want to field crisis suits because they're cool, naturally trying the other options since they don't feel like they HAVE to take the CIB. And before the CIB there had been multiple configurations in the past that worked for different things (there were also a lot more than just those three classic "named" builds, if I'm not mistaken). But now you can't experiment at all, you can't have fun trying different things because you're locked into one of three specific builds that are needlessly rigid, and if you started just last edition or with the index at the start of 10th, you're being punished whether you spammed CIBs or not, and forced to rip your suits apart or buy new ones to replace them with "legal" configurations. And "Legends" isn't a solution, most people (and local events and GWs own tournaments) will refuse to "let" you use them by default, and it might as well be considered 40k's version of a ban list. It's too heavy-handed and reeks of a design team that clearly didn't have a dog in the fight and just shrugged it off because they didn't care. No one actually plays Tau up there in the ivory tower, so they're just guessing at what they think we want or what's "balanced" or not, and I see massive points drops coming in the future, unless they're suddenly okay with having an army sitting well below their "sweet spot" they love so much. I'm not expecting everyone in the studio to play every army or to be passionate about literally all of them, but their job hinges on them at least knowing about these armies they personally aren't into and how they're "supposed" to play, and as a fan you can really feel it when they aren't...well, feeling it. And it's worrying because that was allegedly the reason Squats took a 30 year hiatus from 40k, because no one in the team was feeling it anymore, and they didn't know what to do with the army or what direction to take them in, and even now, it's pretty obvious that if it weren't for Deep Rock Galactic of all things, there wouldn't be any Leagues today, since that seems to be the main inspiration behind bringing them back. Someone ELSE had to do space dwarves and make it a hit, before they came in with "W-wait, we did it FIRST!"
Having played my first game with all Kroot, I'm loving the new detachment. The rampagers are a bit slow and unwieldy, but the army is very tanky (though that may just be me being used to 8th/9th Kroot). The Krootox really are the standout with their buffed guns and solid melee profile, I think they're better than the rampagers, and are 10 points cheaper to boot. I was able to down a Redemptor on turn one in a 1k point game by overlapping a bunch of buffs. Kroot may seem like they can't punch up, but they can do it now, it's just in an ambush, commit most of your army to a single target kind of way. As for the strat to return a unit, I hope your right, because that would be amazing, but from what I understand, when the unit dies, the character is no longer attached to it, so the strat would only bring the character back,. not the whole unit.
For the Kroot detachment I’ve tried it with a storm surge and a riptide and im working on kitbashing Kroot versions because oh my god they bring exactly what the Kroot need and the combined armor and invulnerable save is necessary for how much fire the few heavy guns in a Kroot army attracts.
With all the epic heroes taken away (not just for Tau but Necrons as well) doesn't GW think it's time to provide some new ones? An official sheet for O'Kais would be great.
Nick, I'll always love how much of an absolute dork you are and how you have zero shame about it. It's truly inspiring. That Star Wars joke at the end was so blatantly cringe that it circles back around to being cool. Also I was pretty iffy on the Crisis changes having always been a huge fan of the customizability aspect, but you've convinced me that the new codex and the changes to how they work is certainly worth being excited about.
Creating the Crisis datasheets was an effective way to to not only limit CIB spam (a wargear rule could've solved that), but to have different weapons have different points cost with a supplementary rule, to also prevent a "pick the best option", since now point efficiency is relevant now. Flamer/Burst = 140 , Fusion = 160, Plasma/Missile = 165.
The warshaper 0cp strategem is worded that 'once per battle round, one unit from army can use this ability' so that would mean only one Shaper can use it per round. So you can get 20 kroot back for 2cp, and then get another 20 back for free in the same turn only in that order. Its the same limitation as having multiple captains in a SM army. Still worth having the two shapers so you can always bring back 20 kroot per round for free. 😊
I’m still working on completing my current collection of tau models but I’m excited I’ve made a list I’m working towards that doesn’t use any crisis suits but it has 16 seeker missiles and about half the list with either infiltrate or scout moves. Really looking forward to trying it out in montka with the lethal hits.
Im planning to paint my 3 versions of Crisis Suits differently to tell them apart. I havent figured out exactly how, but between using different body parts or swapping the colors around, im sure I could get 3 different variants easily.
I think it's a very good codex and the change to crisis suits is IN THE END a good change. you needed to find a way to balance them after the remove of points on weapon choices, without overpricing the units as you said. I also like how this technically means UNLIKE the start of 10th, you can actually run 9 full squads of Crisis suits....that's a lot of suits..
Or just simple dont run a single one. For me they dont excist in this edition. I'll stick to Stealth, Ghostkeel, Riptide and Broadsides. That 9 "full" squads are 3 each, maybe not as much as you though. And 1/3 of them are pretty useless with plasma nerfed to 18" and special rule only to unharmed squads. And I dont think they get that cheap that 6 shots from the pods could be worth it for damageoutput.
At 10:00 you mention the Internal grenade pack you can choose as an enhancement. In the Warhammer official app I can’t choose it on ANY model at all? Why? How do I choose it when I build my army in the app?
Honestly, I have just started 40k back up after 15+ years and decided to go with T'au, and now that I have seen this new codex, I am so glad that I did. The new datasheets for the Crisis Suits, in my opinion, are far better than before. Each having their own bonuses and loadouts. I pre-ordered this Kroot box mainly for the Codex and Datacards, but honestly. The Kroot are looking so nuts coming into the 10e rules. Sticky objectives on Carnivores? Don't mind if I do.
A few editions ago I would run nothing but drones, piranhas and crisis suits. There was a "resupply" ability For your piranha's so every other turn you would appear launch all your hunter-killer missiles release all your drones into a cool new unit and then retreat and do it again the next time. It wasn't a super competitive list but boy was it fun running a 100 or so drones on the field
Mathhammer: 1. Sunforge units are better than Starscythe flamer units, even without Farsight, using the Bonded Heroes rule. 2. You can take a Mont'ka detachment, with a Pathfinder with Coordinated Exploitation, and two HH's with Ion Cannons and using the Supercharge profile + Killing Blow + Focused Fire stratagem, you give both HH's +1AP, Sustained Hits 1, Lethal Hits and Assault, and they can wipe out a full 10 man squad of Heavy Intercessors in one turn.
Got some Mathhammer for everybody regarding the new Crisis suits: Looking at the maximum numbers (disregarding point costs for the moment), the new datasheets actually win out slightly. Looking at the old datasheets, we can have a maximum of 3 units of 5 +1 commander. Let's say we go 3 guns and 2 shield drones on each: that totals 18 models, 54 guns, and 108 wounds. With the new datasheets, we can take 9 units of 3 (3 units per datasheet). Putting the max allowed of 1 shield drone on each model, that totals 27 models, 54 guns, and 135 wounds. Obviously, points cost and weapon effectiveness will temper how much of an improvement/reduction this ends up being.
I like the fact that they are leaning into an "anime power armor" style of play with the Retaliation Cadre. Makes the armor feel more nimble, punchy and cinematic.
Nick please post a tutorial for your Farsight Enclaves scheme! I love the subtle metallic red but I am a new painter starting out with Kill Team and don't even know where to start in replicating that
My biggest issue with tau is that we got 4 detachments one of which is for kroot. Space marines have like 7. Even admech and necrons have 5. Surely we deserve more then 4 detachments
No one in the studio gives a crap about Tau, we're lucky they could even be bothered to think of 4. Next time we might be lucky just to get a codex at all.
@@ninneplug With what they did to age of sigmar... Maybe they decide the next edition to get rid of that little place in space where the tau sitting like "Oh that's a precious 'lil empire you got there, wouldnt it be sad when they got... let's say... consumed by the 'nids? Or what about a new crusade, to finish the job this time."
My brother and I aren't long time fans. We both joined recently in tenth edition back in November. So just from a newbies point of view, T'au's updates are looking really good..... jealous cause Tau is my bros faction. Meanwhile I'm Space marines, our balancing is wack right now.
What do you think is good? They lost the ability to use the best weapon on their suits, can't customize their load outs, locked to minimum size units when their best Strats cost 2 co so you would want to use them on a big unit. Lost characters, lost prototype systems, only 4 detachments compared to more for every other faction that has a codex. Stealth suits for an upgrade and firewarriors are arguably better with their new special ability. New Kroot are fun but they don't let them interact with our main army rule.
@@WaywardpaladinYou main army rule doesn't it say "T'au empire' units, I believe kroot have that. I think? I'd have to ask my brother he's the tau player. But this is coming from a space marine perspective. Your army was already ok (In 10 edition standards anyway) before the codex and it's looking like it's more of the same. meanwhile space marines have about half their detachments(one good thing about having less detachments is they can focus a little more, Space marines got to worry about 6 plus balance it out for future sub faction detachments which kind explains why Dark angels sucks so badly) being good but internal balancing is the real issue. There was even a decent and not overpowered strategy(Atleast as I saw it) using Uriel ventris, Marneus calgar and Devestator centurians and the ravenguard detachment. Then GW is quick to nerf that into the ground by increasing prices all gravis and the centurions. I'mnot saying it's perfect and as someone who's only been in the game for 10 I see what they are doing. My brother straight up predicted that Crisis suits would be turned into more specialized units(The unit cap of three kinda sucks though) Losing the best weapon is both good and bad. Cause it was just too predictable for people to just spam the cyclic blaster. But it was a very good weapon. They are trying to obviously remove it for more variety and to encouragemore aggressive styles of play cause I believe the blaster was the longest range weapon? Don't get me wrong, it's got bad. But from what I see Tau is eating better than space marines in my honest opinion.
@@Waywardpaladin Unless the codex is changing it the description for Greater good is "T'au empire' unit. And on the datasheets Kroot do have that as their faction keyword.
@@Admiralkirk95 The rule itself is called For the Greater Good. Just like Space Marines have Oath of the Moment on theirs. You need to have that rule to even get to the Tau Empire targeting step.
sweet thank you so much for clarification. Also my next tau question is do the colors on the models make them play different for example (Sa'cea play more tanky while Vior'la do more damage. Etc.)
12:55 The problem with the War Leader ability is that it's only a unit of your army, meaning no units that are already dead. as far as I am understanding it but i also don't know the details of the stratagem
I almost always ran very diverse Crisis teams in 9th. 3 5 man units, one with 24-30" range with plasma/missiles, and the other 2 with cyclic/burst/flamers. 1 unit for murdering vehicles and elites, 2 units to drown lighter infantry in firepower. Cyclics were always good for versatility, but the danger and price was too high to spam. Losing the ability to really turn a Coldstar into a death machine is going to hurt more than anyones talked about. It was by far the best way to put consistent, precision damage downrange.
After hearing about the detachments on other videos, I was a bit curious whether Tau Nick would prefer Mont'Ka or Retaliation Cadre. On one hand, UP-CLOSE-AND-MURDEROUS. On the other, he does run a lot of auxilaries, so giving them lethal hits...
But what happened to the shield generator and the other gadgets that can be put on the Crisis armor? Have they become just aesthetic? Where is it written that the sunforge has the shield generator? Thanks if you can answer me
Hey so just getting into warhammer, love watching you guys. I bought my first Tau army, and I'm little confused on the detachment. Nick explained all 4 new detachments (kroot, mak'tau, etc.) And my question is when we build an army do we only pick one of these for the whole army or can we use multiple? Would love to hear back, love the channel and hope yall continue to do this
@PlayOnTabletop sweet thank you so much for clarification. Also my next tau question is do the colors on the models make them play different for example (Sa'cea play more tanky while Vior'la do more damage. Etc.)
Hey Nick! My husband sent me a link to your video and he's absolutely obsessed with the Tau t-shirt you're wearing. He's hinted that he'd love the same one for Father's Day. Could you please share where you got it or if it's available for purchase anywhere? It would make his day! Thanks a bunch!
Love the review, aand that codex really got me hyped for tau, if we dont see anything of my fance in adepticon reveals (BA, GK, EC, or Votan) ill jump into tau train! Hence my question, can anyone tell me how Nick paints his Tau? Especially red ones in colors of enclaves, as white is fairly easier to gues.
I think they should do something similar to the Crisis suits with GSC acolytes, not to the same extent but Demo charges are kinda similar to Ion blasters taking the heavy mining weapons is just not as good and the points as well are compensating for demo charges. So maybe splitting them up into two data sheets might not be a bad idea.
My "hunch" with the crisis suits and why they are limiting them, makes me think that a new crisis suit kit might be on the way in a year or two. Because the crisis suits look a bit dopey today and would deserve a level up in coolness. Especially since they are kinda an auto include for the tau.
I was originally annoyed with the crisis suit change because I loved making situational suit teams and I had just made my first set of cib suits from buying a bunch of commanders to have official cib guns
Codexes need to end. ALL rules should be on the internet for free, especially considering the 1-200% (or 3000% in the case of their dice) premium GW tax on their other products.
Considering they removed the free Age of Sigmae datasheets from the webstore when they moved to 3rd edition; it seems more unlikely to happen in the current climate than not. That being said, if they sold them as PDFs with a vastly cut down price and a print on demand version - with the box sets carrying the special edition physical release as always - then that is at least a step in the right direction.
I mean you don't really need a codex to play, there's plenty of army list building apps that work. The books are mostly meant for Advanced collectors by this point.
I don't think you can use join the hunt for free, since you can only trigger the stratagem after the unit is destroyed? Since the character can't return, can it be targeted after death..?
The unit is being targeted after death, so it seems like you can target things that have been destroyed? Most people are pointing out that the unit is destroyed before the character is, usually the character then becomes his own unit, but that detachment only happens once all attacks are resolved.
Please consider a Tyranid vs Kroot battle for that Alien vs Predator reference
Whoever wins we lose
That’s sounds awesome.
You could have an under strength IG force in the middle. For the real AvP experience.
@@derekeaton-loken4528that reminds me of the narrative game me and my buddies just played. We called the mission convoy ambush. Basically my combined regiment got slammed in the middle between an orc army and eldar battle.
DO IT! With Catachan Guard no less!!!!!
Which army do you think Nick would play the Kroot or the Guard stuck in the middle
Everytime I hear "The Greater Good" I think of the town council in Hot Fuzz chanting that phrase.
The greater good
The Greater Good
That's all I will hear now too 😂
The greater good
The Greater Good
No luck with that goose then?
It would be really cool to have a video where members of the channel discuss what they like the most regarding the factions they play. For example, Tau Nick, Guard Nick and Genestealer Nick just rambling about what they like about the lore or gameplay of the factions they are experienced with. It also allows newcomers to the hobby to be better informed about the various factions whether they are interested in collecting or become better informed when they go up against an army... :)
Nick is on record stating that he actually, sincerely believes the Tau are the “good guys.”
As long as he cosplays as each one. Blue nick and bald nick must be things.
i would watch this.
@@lostwolfx tbh mechanicus Taq or Necron Michael would be the craziest cosplay
@@zachhughes9149 they are such ‘great guys’ that farsight had to leave to do evil shenanigans
Idea to tell them apart, Magnetize a shoulder plate with a 'Sun' marking for "Sunforge", 'a Burning Knife' for "Fireknife", and maybe a 'Scythe over a Star' for the "Starscythe", or have similar emblems on back banners like you use.
So many cool things you could do. I’m thinking running the now legended XV9s would be perfect for it!
@@PlayOnTabletopAs i do some saturday house cleaning, i keep thinking of the banners and i think that might be the best idea for showing unit types, since historically a war banner was used to show who was in what unit.
@@PlayOnTabletopI was going to do that as well funny you mention it. But I am very very sad we didn’t get new riptide rules for the forge world riptides. Given how popular they are I’m surprised
@@PlayOnTabletopSorry to bother you again but where did you get the war banners from?
I think Nick hit nail on the head with his dig at the crisis suit outrage. People who have been crying 'Muh Flexibility!' really have not been using any but maybe 3 different kinds of weapons. And almost all people spamming suits in 10th were using Cyclic Ion. I am glad he included this line, because really this is what it boils down to. No one was using flamers, no one was using burst cannons, they were likely using Missiles, Fusions, or Cyclics.
And technically you still get that flexibility. Just in 7 combos rather than a bewildering 63.
Laziness
Nah. I hate it deeply. From my perspective they took our leman Russ and cut 2/3 of its main guns and made sponsons built into the sheet. Why do the humans get the effort and the xenos get this?
Not really fond of it, myself. I think the solution to the CIB spam was to just limit them to one per suit. Easy fix to the spam without having to go to the extreme of splitting crisis suits into three separate datasheets that only have specific 2 weapons.
The way to fix it was to take away the CIB from regular crisis suits. That's all that needed to happen, one simple change that both solves the problem of "the kit doesn't have that bit in it anyway" and people not being able to give up that crutch and branch out with other options. They went way too far and they're objectively worthless now, especially if the rumored points costs are accurate, they're way too expensive for the pathetic amount of firepower they'll be putting out with only two guns. And it makes no sense not being able to take support systems like shield generators anymore when there's enough in the kit to give one to every suit. When we're at the point where we're removing option IN THE KIT and going against the "Swiss army knife" design of the unit that's been present since day one like 20 years ago...
The designers clearly just didn't care, they didn't "get" the army because they personally don't play it and don't have any real passion for it, so they phoned it in as quickly as possible so they could focus their effort on the next Marine supplement, no doubt. Put it out there, who cares, the nerds will buy whatever we make.
They took my Eight Datasheet, my Onager Gauntlet, my Thermoneutronic Projector, my Fusion Blades, my free will, and my paint job. Can't have anything in the T'au Empire.
Don't let the rule control the way of your hobby. GW can change the rule as they want, but they can't change the miniatures you have built and painted
Space Communism man. Space Communism
Gunna cry?
Aww, they tossed the onager gauntlet?
Now everyone knows how I feel about my Deathwing Knights
Can't even have proper crisis suits now... 10th ed is the death of customisation.
the kroot is looking like a new army with occasional tau units sprinkled in...looking forward to this box. i am not thrilled about crisis suit changes, but hey, should make the next few months of wargaming interesting.
The Kroot have almost as many units as Votann does in their entire roster lmao
Nice break down Nick. Appreciate the knowledge and appreciation you bring for the Tau play.
Btw: Crisis in Cadre activate the grenading fly over when using Torchstar Gambit as well! You can activate it TWICE per turn! (Strat Torchstar Gambit lets you do a normal move, enhancement Internal Grenade Rack let you free grenade whenever you finish a normal move, not tied to your movement phase.
I just noticed that myself! Amazing.
if you're feeling especially mortal you might even use the grenade stratagem for even more mortal wounds.
Love the enthusiasm Nick always brings. Keep it up guys!
As soon as I saw the teaser for some of the new rules, I knew Nick was going to be over the moon about them, and I can't wait to see his reaction.
From one taunic to another I think montka was designed for shooting only not actions as the time when you guide a unit is at the start of shooting and that's when the assault ability kicks in from the detachment, to do an action in 10th you forgo shooting at the start of shooting phase.
Had to laugh at 21:06 at Nick's pretty villainous evil laugh. This is a great breakdown hoping I can score a box and run some Kroot
The Retaliation Cadre is what I like to think of as "RUSH IN, RUSH IN!!! Ok please don't hurt me now" (at least for the armies I play.)
Come on! One week of Nick messing with the codex Play On team
Man, I don't even collect Tau, but Nick's enthusiasm for the faction is absolutely infectious. His passion for the army is great to see! Looking forward to more Tau.
Who better to explain the new Codex, Tau Nick at his best. Thank you so much!
Just preordered my box, I am SO excited about the new Kroot, and loved Nick's ideas on how to use the new rules, lots of possibilities for the greater good!
Splitting the crisis was a smart move but locking the war gear options just feels bad, my Plasma suits really liked the shield gen and now they're just going to die faster. Also why did they reduce the Plasma rifle range? Was that really necessary?
Yes. It's called rebalance
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 support systems weren't the balance issue neither was the Plasma rifle being at 24". Now our only weapon over 18" range is missile pods.
@@zachnoland155Tau getting outranged just feels bad
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 For Fireblade's to be as effective as they were, they would need to be 130pts for the 3 man unit, and they still lose the wargear, the turbo-jets rule, and cant have double drones.
How likely do you think we are going to get 130pt Fireblade teams?
no one was using cib’s cause they did not come in the box😂
Thanks, Nick! Looking forward to the upcoming Tau videos.
Quite disappointed that there are no melee options. Farsight is the only melee unit. No onager gauntlet or fusion blades
Yeah that would have been nice.
Farsight Enclaves for me should be the only tau faction that is heavily melee. Dare i say they should have a stand alone codex just like world eaters for example
You can get the Onager Gauntlet in the Crusade rules as a relic!
@@PurgingParrot Really hoping so. That’d be nice. If you have a picture can you send me that way?
@@theinnernerd719 Funnily enough they did have something like that in 7th
You cannot use the free battle tactic for any kind of reinforcement strat like that. You target a unit that has just been destroyed (ie is no longer on the table). Nice idea, but us Nids + Guard players have had the same issues
The difference is that this unit is attached. There’s an argument here for it. But I’d love to have clarification from gw.
@@PlayOnTabletop Yeah, there are potential arguments for it each way. While I'm hoping Nick's interpretation is true, I suspect that it won't be.
@@PlayOnTabletop You aren't attached to a destroyed unit. This video is going to mislead a lot of people.
@@PlayOnTabletop in the moment of destruction the Shepard will become a own unit, so the strat will not work here
I think it should work for the shaper, and any other similar leader/stratagem combos, but only if the leader is destroyed in the same set of attacks as the unit. Otherwise I agree that the unit is no longer attached being dead and all
The Empire Strikes Back had me giggling lol
I'm very new to the hobby so I don't know what to make of this except for public discussion, thanks for taking the time to talk through it and explain your thought process.
Yeahhhhh Love the Tau as my sedond Army.. just started them.
i like the Crisis Suit Changes personally bc the stiff CIB weapon weapon was kinda dumb for me. i will watch every Video about the Tau here on this Channel. !
For the Greater Good my fellow Tau friends !
Firstly lovely shirt. Ty for showing off everything. I do love the old school names. I knew they sounded familiar
Ya I love the shirt too and really want to know where to get one for myself.
Can't wait to get the codex and data sheets when they become available.
I hope to see Nick going insane with testing new detachments against different forces! Amazing review, and I hope to see much more in the near future!
hey did anybody notice the battle suit move when he placed down the book?
Having our suits be separate data sheets is ace. Yeah we lose customisation but each loadout plays its own role, roles we considered when making our suits previously. They may have lost shield gens but they gained powerful abilities that help them excel in their role.
If they survive long enough to fulfill their roll. And some might want use burstcannon and flamers together with a shieldgen for example.
Sadly you can't bring kroots back for free with the war shaper since the unit is destroyed and then you use the strat, the warshaper is no longer eligible for the strat since he's dead and the unit is destroyed and brought back without him
According to the designers commentary a model is considered to not be leading a unit after the attack sequence is done. And the trigger for the stratagem is as soon as the unit dies. So yes, you can’t bring back the leader, but I think it’s still works, as you play the strum before the leader dies.
@@PlayOnTabletop I really hope you are correct, a GSC player friend told me they have a similar rule but it doesnt work, I'll do some more digging
Thanks Nick. Glad it’s a good one. Looking forward to playing it.
My only complaint regarding the Crisis Suits was for those of us who didn’t magnetize and just built them to look cool. Mine had one plasma, one burst, and one fusion. Never super effective but I had a lot of fun with them. I will say though that it’s not all doom, my group is cool with running the legacy index card for all our casual games. Reminding me why we play, people and fun, not datasheets and meta.
Exactly. Well said. But don’t be scared to go with a clipper and clip em off and replace with new. I’ve done it countless times :)
Thanks Nick. I almost missed my chance to preorder my set. Lol.
I love the crisis simplification because truthfully those are the only real combinations I play in my games.
Keep up the drive for the Fifth Expansion. For the greater good
Love this so much! Looking forward to see Tau Nick some more!!!!
I like your argument to the whole "battlesuits aren't as versatile" complaint that, while technically true, how many variations actually saw use. As they're arranged now with 10th edition not having point costs for weapons, you have an anti-infantry configuration, an anti-heavy configuration, and a general purpose configuration, which seems like a reasonable compromise. Imagine a Mont'Ka detachment of Fireknife suits getting guided opening volleys, rerolling hits to try and get as many Lethal Hits as you can with the opening strike.
It's a valid point; the CIB was the best option by far and was being used like a crutch. But 1) that's GWs fault for failing to balance the options properly, and 2) easily fixed by just removing the CIB as an option, which is the most sensible thing to do since the kit doesn't have the bit in it anyway and it's the entire point of 10th editions obsession with simplifying/dumbing the game down. They've been doing it for other armies and taking away options the kit can't build, so it was expected here.
You will have players using other builds because without the CIB dominating the wargear list and standing out as the most obvious best choice, and people who still want to field crisis suits because they're cool, naturally trying the other options since they don't feel like they HAVE to take the CIB. And before the CIB there had been multiple configurations in the past that worked for different things (there were also a lot more than just those three classic "named" builds, if I'm not mistaken). But now you can't experiment at all, you can't have fun trying different things because you're locked into one of three specific builds that are needlessly rigid, and if you started just last edition or with the index at the start of 10th, you're being punished whether you spammed CIBs or not, and forced to rip your suits apart or buy new ones to replace them with "legal" configurations. And "Legends" isn't a solution, most people (and local events and GWs own tournaments) will refuse to "let" you use them by default, and it might as well be considered 40k's version of a ban list.
It's too heavy-handed and reeks of a design team that clearly didn't have a dog in the fight and just shrugged it off because they didn't care. No one actually plays Tau up there in the ivory tower, so they're just guessing at what they think we want or what's "balanced" or not, and I see massive points drops coming in the future, unless they're suddenly okay with having an army sitting well below their "sweet spot" they love so much. I'm not expecting everyone in the studio to play every army or to be passionate about literally all of them, but their job hinges on them at least knowing about these armies they personally aren't into and how they're "supposed" to play, and as a fan you can really feel it when they aren't...well, feeling it. And it's worrying because that was allegedly the reason Squats took a 30 year hiatus from 40k, because no one in the team was feeling it anymore, and they didn't know what to do with the army or what direction to take them in, and even now, it's pretty obvious that if it weren't for Deep Rock Galactic of all things, there wouldn't be any Leagues today, since that seems to be the main inspiration behind bringing them back. Someone ELSE had to do space dwarves and make it a hit, before they came in with "W-wait, we did it FIRST!"
I like your T-shirt Nick , that looks like a Tau strapped to a marine Jump Pack , channeling his inner Ork . Proper way to fly .
Having played my first game with all Kroot, I'm loving the new detachment. The rampagers are a bit slow and unwieldy, but the army is very tanky (though that may just be me being used to 8th/9th Kroot). The Krootox really are the standout with their buffed guns and solid melee profile, I think they're better than the rampagers, and are 10 points cheaper to boot. I was able to down a Redemptor on turn one in a 1k point game by overlapping a bunch of buffs. Kroot may seem like they can't punch up, but they can do it now, it's just in an ambush, commit most of your army to a single target kind of way.
As for the strat to return a unit, I hope your right, because that would be amazing, but from what I understand, when the unit dies, the character is no longer attached to it, so the strat would only bring the character back,. not the whole unit.
Been waiting for this. Love to see you guys marking out over your codexes and can’t wait to see how the new Kroot and rules will flavor the games.
For the Kroot detachment I’ve tried it with a storm surge and a riptide and im working on kitbashing Kroot versions because oh my god they bring exactly what the Kroot need and the combined armor and invulnerable save is necessary for how much fire the few heavy guns in a Kroot army attracts.
I agree with you Nick, i like these changes. I never really like to run CIB spam so im enjoying the Crisis suit change. Thanks for the review.
For me with the crisis suits, it was the ability to have 3 guns and a support, the loss of 6 in a squad hurt as well.
With all the epic heroes taken away (not just for Tau but Necrons as well) doesn't GW think it's time to provide some new ones? An official sheet for O'Kais would be great.
Perhaps that’s exactly what will happen. I’d love to see it!
Nick, I'll always love how much of an absolute dork you are and how you have zero shame about it. It's truly inspiring. That Star Wars joke at the end was so blatantly cringe that it circles back around to being cool. Also I was pretty iffy on the Crisis changes having always been a huge fan of the customizability aspect, but you've convinced me that the new codex and the changes to how they work is certainly worth being excited about.
I mean we've lost Aun shi before, he can come back again
Creating the Crisis datasheets was an effective way to to not only limit CIB spam (a wargear rule could've solved that), but to have different weapons have different points cost with a supplementary rule, to also prevent a "pick the best option", since now point efficiency is relevant now. Flamer/Burst = 140 , Fusion = 160, Plasma/Missile = 165.
The warshaper 0cp strategem is worded that 'once per battle round, one unit from army can use this ability' so that would mean only one Shaper can use it per round. So you can get 20 kroot back for 2cp, and then get another 20 back for free in the same turn only in that order. Its the same limitation as having multiple captains in a SM army.
Still worth having the two shapers so you can always bring back 20 kroot per round for free. 😊
I’m still working on completing my current collection of tau models but I’m excited I’ve made a list I’m working towards that doesn’t use any crisis suits but it has 16 seeker missiles and about half the list with either infiltrate or scout moves. Really looking forward to trying it out in montka with the lethal hits.
It looks like that is how the Join the Hunt strat works, just remember the character doesn't get returned, so it's a one off (per shaper).
Im planning to paint my 3 versions of Crisis Suits differently to tell them apart. I havent figured out exactly how, but between using different body parts or swapping the colors around, im sure I could get 3 different variants easily.
bought the kroot hunting pack just earlier today, can't wait to be able to read all of the new codex myself
I would love to see a video how to magnetize the crisis suits. What to buy and how to build.
I think it's a very good codex and the change to crisis suits is IN THE END a good change. you needed to find a way to balance them after the remove of points on weapon choices, without overpricing the units as you said.
I also like how this technically means UNLIKE the start of 10th, you can actually run 9 full squads of Crisis suits....that's a lot of suits..
Or just simple dont run a single one. For me they dont excist in this edition. I'll stick to Stealth, Ghostkeel, Riptide and Broadsides. That 9 "full" squads are 3 each, maybe not as much as you though. And 1/3 of them are pretty useless with plasma nerfed to 18" and special rule only to unharmed squads. And I dont think they get that cheap that 6 shots from the pods could be worth it for damageoutput.
I would love to see you guys play a game where you take all your favorite Legends'd units. Could be a really fun way to remember the fallen.
At 10:00 you mention the Internal grenade pack you can choose as an enhancement. In the Warhammer official app I can’t choose it on ANY model at all? Why? How do I choose it when I build my army in the app?
Honestly, I have just started 40k back up after 15+ years and decided to go with T'au, and now that I have seen this new codex, I am so glad that I did. The new datasheets for the Crisis Suits, in my opinion, are far better than before. Each having their own bonuses and loadouts. I pre-ordered this Kroot box mainly for the Codex and Datacards, but honestly. The Kroot are looking so nuts coming into the 10e rules. Sticky objectives on Carnivores? Don't mind if I do.
nice thanks for making the video i just ordered mine !
A few editions ago I would run nothing but drones, piranhas and crisis suits. There was a "resupply" ability For your piranha's so every other turn you would appear launch all your hunter-killer missiles release all your drones into a cool new unit and then retreat and do it again the next time. It wasn't a super competitive list but boy was it fun running a 100 or so drones on the field
I always wanted to try that one, but didn’t get to try before they took it away
Mathhammer:
1. Sunforge units are better than Starscythe flamer units, even without Farsight, using the Bonded Heroes rule.
2. You can take a Mont'ka detachment, with a Pathfinder with Coordinated Exploitation, and two HH's with Ion Cannons and using the Supercharge profile + Killing Blow + Focused Fire stratagem, you give both HH's +1AP, Sustained Hits 1, Lethal Hits and Assault, and they can wipe out a full 10 man squad of Heavy Intercessors in one turn.
Got some Mathhammer for everybody regarding the new Crisis suits:
Looking at the maximum numbers (disregarding point costs for the moment), the new datasheets actually win out slightly.
Looking at the old datasheets, we can have a maximum of 3 units of 5 +1 commander. Let's say we go 3 guns and 2 shield drones on each: that totals 18 models, 54 guns, and 108 wounds.
With the new datasheets, we can take 9 units of 3 (3 units per datasheet). Putting the max allowed of 1 shield drone on each model, that totals 27 models, 54 guns, and 135 wounds.
Obviously, points cost and weapon effectiveness will temper how much of an improvement/reduction this ends up being.
Nick: I want to split fire!
Everyone: And how does that work out?
Thank you nick for your enthousiasm !
I like the fact that they are leaning into an "anime power armor" style of play with the Retaliation Cadre. Makes the armor feel more nimble, punchy and cinematic.
Nick please post a tutorial for your Farsight Enclaves scheme! I love the subtle metallic red but I am a new painter starting out with Kill Team and don't even know where to start in replicating that
My biggest issue with tau is that we got 4 detachments one of which is for kroot. Space marines have like 7. Even admech and necrons have 5. Surely we deserve more then 4 detachments
No one in the studio gives a crap about Tau, we're lucky they could even be bothered to think of 4. Next time we might be lucky just to get a codex at all.
@@ninneplug With what they did to age of sigmar... Maybe they decide the next edition to get rid of that little place in space where the tau sitting like "Oh that's a precious 'lil empire you got there, wouldnt it be sad when they got... let's say... consumed by the 'nids? Or what about a new crusade, to finish the job this time."
My brother and I aren't long time fans. We both joined recently in tenth edition back in November. So just from a newbies point of view, T'au's updates are looking really good..... jealous cause Tau is my bros faction. Meanwhile I'm Space marines, our balancing is wack right now.
What do you think is good? They lost the ability to use the best weapon on their suits, can't customize their load outs, locked to minimum size units when their best Strats cost 2 co so you would want to use them on a big unit. Lost characters, lost prototype systems, only 4 detachments compared to more for every other faction that has a codex. Stealth suits for an upgrade and firewarriors are arguably better with their new special ability. New Kroot are fun but they don't let them interact with our main army rule.
@@WaywardpaladinYou main army rule doesn't it say "T'au empire' units, I believe kroot have that. I think? I'd have to ask my brother he's the tau player.
But this is coming from a space marine perspective. Your army was already ok (In 10 edition standards anyway) before the codex and it's looking like it's more of the same. meanwhile space marines have about half their detachments(one good thing about having less detachments is they can focus a little more, Space marines got to worry about 6 plus balance it out for future sub faction detachments which kind explains why Dark angels sucks so badly) being good but internal balancing is the real issue. There was even a decent and not overpowered strategy(Atleast as I saw it) using Uriel ventris, Marneus calgar and Devestator centurians and the ravenguard detachment. Then GW is quick to nerf that into the ground by increasing prices all gravis and the centurions.
I'mnot saying it's perfect and as someone who's only been in the game for 10 I see what they are doing. My brother straight up predicted that Crisis suits would be turned into more specialized units(The unit cap of three kinda sucks though) Losing the best weapon is both good and bad. Cause it was just too predictable for people to just spam the cyclic blaster. But it was a very good weapon. They are trying to obviously remove it for more variety and to encouragemore aggressive styles of play cause I believe the blaster was the longest range weapon?
Don't get me wrong, it's got bad. But from what I see Tau is eating better than space marines in my honest opinion.
@@Admiralkirk95 Kroot don't have the For the Greater Good keyword like all the Tau do.
@@Waywardpaladin Unless the codex is changing it the description for Greater good is "T'au empire' unit. And on the datasheets Kroot do have that as their faction keyword.
@@Admiralkirk95 The rule itself is called For the Greater Good. Just like Space Marines have Oath of the Moment on theirs. You need to have that rule to even get to the Tau Empire targeting step.
I foresee a ton of cheap Kroot going up on ebay as people grab the codex and trash the pets.
I'd love to see a fireknife that has the stones to run two of the square samurai flags we see in culture all the time.
In essence: COME AT ME, BRO!!
Wow how did you paint the metalic red for the crisis suits
Thanks everyone, I've been waitin for this!!!
sweet thank you so much for clarification. Also my next tau question is do the colors on the models make them play different for example (Sa'cea play more tanky while Vior'la do more damage. Etc.)
Nope. Colour makes no difference.
12:55 The problem with the War Leader ability is that it's only a unit of your army, meaning no units that are already dead. as far as I am understanding it but i also don't know the details of the stratagem
Oops, I completely overlooked the stratagem in the video yes it works
I think what's been overlooked is that you can now field 27 Crisis suits, points permitting.
I almost always ran very diverse Crisis teams in 9th. 3 5 man units, one with 24-30" range with plasma/missiles, and the other 2 with cyclic/burst/flamers. 1 unit for murdering vehicles and elites, 2 units to drown lighter infantry in firepower.
Cyclics were always good for versatility, but the danger and price was too high to spam.
Losing the ability to really turn a Coldstar into a death machine is going to hurt more than anyones talked about. It was by far the best way to put consistent, precision damage downrange.
And our plasma also got cut to 18" on top.
The thing that surprised me the most is, that all detachments look viable. xD
Here we go lads
After hearing about the detachments on other videos, I was a bit curious whether Tau Nick would prefer Mont'Ka or Retaliation Cadre. On one hand, UP-CLOSE-AND-MURDEROUS. On the other, he does run a lot of auxilaries, so giving them lethal hits...
But what happened to the shield generator and the other gadgets that can be put on the Crisis armor? Have they become just aesthetic? Where is it written that the sunforge has the shield generator? Thanks if you can answer me
Super excited for the next Tau game!
Hey so just getting into warhammer, love watching you guys. I bought my first Tau army, and I'm little confused on the detachment. Nick explained all 4 new detachments (kroot, mak'tau, etc.) And my question is when we build an army do we only pick one of these for the whole army or can we use multiple? Would love to hear back, love the channel and hope yall continue to do this
You choose one for the battle. Your free to chose a different one for the next battle
@PlayOnTabletop sweet thank you so much for clarification. Also my next tau question is do the colors on the models make them play different for example (Sa'cea play more tanky while Vior'la do more damage. Etc.)
Thank you, am going to wait for new Tau combat patrol, never played Tau, sounds like they will be interesting.
Do you have any advice for someone that loves the Tau and mechs but not the boxy battlesuits?. I don't have a 3d printer and cant find good proxy
Hey Nick! My husband sent me a link to your video and he's absolutely obsessed with the Tau t-shirt you're wearing. He's hinted that he'd love the same one for Father's Day. Could you please share where you got it or if it's available for purchase anywhere? It would make his day! Thanks a bunch!
I wish I could! I would love another one as well. A fan sent it to me but I have no idea where he got it from!
FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!!!!!
Great video!! 🙂👍🏻
Love the Tau shirt! Is the Commander in Coldstar still around?
Yep!
Ok, Thanks@@PlayOnTabletop
Thanks Nick for the reaction to the codex. So when are we going to see that big Kroot detachment game?
You can see it right now in early access for our membership!
Love the review, aand that codex really got me hyped for tau, if we dont see anything of my fance in adepticon reveals (BA, GK, EC, or Votan) ill jump into tau train!
Hence my question, can anyone tell me how Nick paints his Tau? Especially red ones in colors of enclaves, as white is fairly easier to gues.
The Retaliation Cadre seems pretty good with breachers
I think they should do something similar to the Crisis suits with GSC acolytes, not to the same extent but Demo charges are kinda similar to Ion blasters taking the heavy mining weapons is just not as good and the points as well are compensating for demo charges. So maybe splitting them up into two data sheets might not be a bad idea.
My "hunch" with the crisis suits and why they are limiting them, makes me think that a new crisis suit kit might be on the way in a year or two. Because the crisis suits look a bit dopey today and would deserve a level up in coolness. Especially since they are kinda an auto include for the tau.
I was originally annoyed with the crisis suit change because I loved making situational suit teams and I had just made my first set of cib suits from buying a bunch of commanders to have official cib guns
Codexes need to end. ALL rules should be on the internet for free, especially considering the 1-200% (or 3000% in the case of their dice) premium GW tax on their other products.
Considering they removed the free Age of Sigmae datasheets from the webstore when they moved to 3rd edition; it seems more unlikely to happen in the current climate than not.
That being said, if they sold them as PDFs with a vastly cut down price and a print on demand version - with the box sets carrying the special edition physical release as always - then that is at least a step in the right direction.
I mean you don't really need a codex to play, there's plenty of army list building apps that work. The books are mostly meant for Advanced collectors by this point.
Its tragic for the long range suits that plasma range was nerfed by 6". Really excited for the strike team buff of suppressive fire.
Ooof. Yeah that one sucked.
just starting a tau army, any quick tips for starters? :D
Fire and runaway so the enemy has to come chase you. It's so quintessential -Drukhari- I mean, T'au!
I love how this T-shirt company takes time to talk about their favorite hobbies, BTW is that a new shirt design Nick? :P LOL
where do i get this drip T-Shirt!!! its beatiful!
Okay guys. Does the observer unit shoot too, or is it blocked and only guided unit can shoot? I NEED an answer :)
Both can shoot.
this is so great! thank you
I don't think you can use join the hunt for free, since you can only trigger the stratagem after the unit is destroyed? Since the character can't return, can it be targeted after death..?
The unit is being targeted after death, so it seems like you can target things that have been destroyed? Most people are pointing out that the unit is destroyed before the character is, usually the character then becomes his own unit, but that detachment only happens once all attacks are resolved.