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My experience with trials: -Found 2 friends -Load into a match -Got destroyed by a squad with Flawless banners that were farming shotguns(probably) -Got back to PvE never wanting to step in trials again
I don't see how any of that is Bungies fault though if that's what you're suggesting. It's a PvP pinnacle activity, if you and your teammates are not pinnacle pvp level players that's exactly what will happen. We're you expecting to play against bots or beginners on something like trials or something? It's like going into a raid, dying and wiping because of a mechanic that you don't understand, then leave and never touch it again, like that's literally the experience
They didn’t “rework” anything at all. The excuses for developers copy-pasted destiny 1 trials and took out the only incentive to play it whatsoever, adept weapons.
Bungie said they didn’t want trials to come out “half baked.” If bungie was a restaurant and destiny is their menu, and trials is their newest dish. Gordon Ramsey would say that shit is raw. Cold, wet and burnt
“If you don’t complete a NF, you don’t get loot” Agreed, but you also know what you’re getting into. You don’t cue up a NF and have a cha nce of getting the 970 version, or the 1060 (or anything in between). If I wanted to run a NF and got the 1060 version over and over, I’d give up, which is what Trials feels like now.
@@liamoconnor8950 i agree with you partially. Trials should be for everyone but going flawless in trials should be sth only the best can achieve. So if you are an average player you should be able to get to 3 or 5 wins if you are a really good player you should be able to get to 7 wins.if you are best of the best you should be able to easily get flawless. But right now best of the best are farming games 1 to 3 and the average player has no chance of getting anything out of trials but frustration. Even my fireteam of 3 unbrokens had a tough time getting 3 wins because of error codes cheaters and players who were way better than us and after you get 3 wins games get much easier. This is not a healthy competetive system at all.
@@oak4642 WIth that system you will easily lose the rest of the rounds if you lose the first, given similar skill level. Which sucks. Why have 5 rounds of a game when you can snowball ammo to win just by killing everyone on the first round and take their green boxes?
They could make it so that each seapon is able to keep up to a certain amount of ammo at the end of a round for example snipers and shotgun 4 fusions 3 etc
Can't wait to fondly reminisce about this moment years from now. People will forever be asking "Where were you when Datto released his no audio video?"
It's funny though, because I remember when revoker came out, it was praised for making it unique without making it Ice Breaker and regenerating and entire magazine. This was one shot and you could not hit someone. Now: ZOMG BUSTED. I mean, it does break this game mode. Were they thinking of trials when they made it? No clue. My guess is not. Also, I said special ammo economy was an issue months ago and people cried. But here we are, finally talking about it. But soon as you take away everyone's ability to run around the entire game with special, theyll lose their minds. But these are also the same people who say "We need more kinetic battles" while sniper/shotgunning the entire game.
It’s funny now because everyone thought that Revoker was trash, now people bitch about it. Makes me frustrated because hearing my favorite sniper getting nerfed sucks. People switch up so much bro.
Primaries need changes in literally every department of this game. They do trash damage to even red bar ads in PvE. They are easily outclassed by people running double scavenger specials all match. As soon as a primary does any good damage (outbreak perfected) they destroy the gun.
DDOS is still a massive problem on console. My group and I just got DDOS’d for the 4th time out of a flawless card. One of those runs was for our passage of confidence too. I’m positive it was DDOS too after looking back at the other teams' records, many (sometimes most) of their games had 1 or 2 players on the other teams disconnecting. I know my PC friends have a hard time with error codes but this experience has been so disheartening on console. I just want to shed some light on this because I’ve seen a lot of content creators who play primarily on PC say it’s not an issue anymore when it really is. Also, I’ve reported all the teams and sent screenshots to bungie, haven’t had a single reply back. I’m really trying my best to be empathetic to bungie with the whole COVID19 situation but these issues should have been worked out months ago.
freakinsweetdude we were on 5 straight wins... what do we get, two carries and I get ddos in one match fucking us over. Bungie is a joke about stopping cheaters.
Bungie: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM , GUESS WHAT GUYS LETS PUT IN TRIALS OF THE NINE INSTEAD OF A GOOD GAME MODE CALLED TRIALS OF OSIRIS HMMMMMMMMM GOOD IDEA Community: wot why-wo Destiny 2 comes out: Status: shit Bungie: HMMMMMMMM FUCK DIDNT WORK LETS WAIT A COUPLE YEARS TO COPY AND PASTE OUR OLD TRIALS HMMMMMMMM WHI WOULD OF THOUGHT OF THAT HMMMMMMMMMMM Destiny Status: Meh Bungie: Copy and paste trials, but somehow make it worse, somehow Bungie: WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COMPLAINTS AND TAKING FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY HMMMMMMMM Community: ?
Hackers: "We've heard your requests, so we've devised a hack that will allow you to remotely error code people on the other team as well as fully reset their cards totally."
@DukeTV except it's not working I know ppl whove been on 4 or 5 wins facing someone on their seventh game or even after that while still running on a flawless card. If card based matchmaking actually worked that wouldn't happen at all it's not just about sweaties farming the first three wins it's about their matchmaking process being flawed at it's core
@Scrota, Sack of Oryx Stat tracker websites. Also you can sorta tell when it's a titan with revoker shot gun and sword with full trials gear and flawless seal, etc. etc. etc.
You brought up the topic of skill based matchmaking and card based matchmaking. After I got 3 wins this weekend my 4th game on that card we played a team that rolled us and at the end went to the lighthouse FLAWLESS the VERY NEXT GAME we lost a close game to another team going to the lighthouse. I don’t understand how card based matchmaking can exist when I’m playing teams that are flawless on my 4th game. I feel like this is another big problem that nobody really talks about.
Ties in Trials of Osiris are currently bugged because Bungie made the asinine decision to code the tie mechanic by using the old Trials of the Nine "Attackers & Defenders" coding: in that game mode, one team would be regarded as the "attackers" by the game's coding, the other team would be considered the "defenders" - if the round ends with a tie then the game would automatically give the win to the "defending" team.
Ya this happened to me not in trials but elimination where it was a 1vs1 and the other team’s guy killed my teammate first and shaxx even said they won the round to?
Quick tip when playing against hackers: DO NOT kill the ones that have infinite lives. Because of the way part of the Bungie anti cheat detection system works, the game might flag you, an innocent player, trying to win, and you might be banned. Part of Bungie's simpleton system is to check if a player is getting too many kills too fast. At that point, just do your best to record it, get your evidence, and unfortunately, suck it up. Get it to the right people, and just breathe. Hacking and the battle to create anti cheat systems is a constant arms race, where it is often an uphill battle to make anti cheat. There are hundreds of people who make a living off of making and selling cheats. You need to have a dedicated staff to combat cheats, or hire a third party company. And with the way things are going in the world right now, such luxuries are rare. As of right now, the best we can do is to wholly discourage cheaters and their carrying services, and maybe even work with game platforms such Xbox, Playstation, and Steam to issue IP or system bans to constant offenders. At the very least, Bungie should ban players who play with cheaters. Because those people are likely paying for a carry, and if they learn that playing with a cheater will get them banned, they won't pay for it and a decent number of cheaters will no longer have a reason to cheat. Personally, the problem with trials lies with rewards at both ends of the system. There are no rewards for participating and trying, which would please the casuals. But there are also no real reasons to go flawless due to the time investment. Unless you have matches that last about 2 minutes each, with an extra minute per match to account for finding a match, round intermissions, and loading again. Even then, most if my team's cards are between the 22 to 25 minute range. Personally, farming nightfalls is often faster, more rewarding, and the boss won't infinitely respawn or try to boot me offline. I think the token system needs to change, and the loot pool should be cleared each weekend so loot is unique per week. Otherwise, it makes NO sense to delete tokens each week, only for more items that might be considered undesirable to clog up your loot pool. But hey, I'm just a guy that comments on videos. What do I know?
When you say that people should be banned for playing with a cheater, I get that in trials but in comp they could be solo and it might not be the other players fault. But what do I know?
@JeremyCuddles Precisely! One of its main flaws really. Because it is not currently game mode specific. So if it did have such a rule, Bungie would have to implement it just for Trials. Or you know. Just make it so the game would auto ban players that respawn without the aid of another player. But that requires effort and stuff.
@@zenn5399 I was hoping I didn't have to specify just Trials, but I guess I might as well make clear that only for Trials, seeing as how that requires a fireteam and you intentionally play with them. Seeing as comp can be with randos, I think it warrants being less strict, save for being in an actual fireteam.
I’d like a loot system where there’s a chance to get certain loot after games. The more wins you’ll have the higher the percent. The lower the wins the lower the percent.
@@flister8701 but what's easier, going AFK for 20 matches and getting a guaranteed drop while doing something else productive irl, or sweating your tits off and possibly giving yourself an aneurism from the cancer by trying to win 7 games against recovs?
I like this idea because it means even if you get stomped, you've got a reason to be playing. Right now you need to get 3 wins to literally get any rewards at all, which is only going to get harder as casual players become less interested due to how hard it is to get loot.
Here's an idea for Revoker Turn it into a touch of malice, you can keep getting your last shot back (until you actually hit someone for damage) but every time you shoot and miss you lose health.
@JeremyCuddles once again that's the point of card system. You can't blame the card system for not looking at players elo at all. That's on Bungie not the system. That's like blaming the cherry pie for being burnt instead of blaming your wife for overcooking it. 🙃🙃🙃🙃
It does work, do not mix up card matchmaking with number of runs. You are getting matched with people that have done multiples flawless runs but they are on the same round as you when you get matched. The problem is that the vast majority of people playing, are those who already had 10, 20 50 flawless runs.
Just Another Gamer that’s how it’s supposed to be. That’s how it always is. You match against people who is at the same win as you. That’s how it always was in destiny 1. Trials failure is because of the shitty rewards and no rewards for just playing.
I haven't been able to get loot at all because tying engrams to having to get 3 wins on a ticket is really dumb. Seriously, I just can't get past 2 wins and gain 3 wins
The card base matchmaking is really bad since I got a new card that didn’t have a win on in and the first game I play, the enemies all have gone flawless 24 times!!. What am I supposed to do. Does this mean I’m good or does this game just hate me?
i dont think you understand what card base matchmaking means, if you are on 4 wins you are likely to match other teams with 4 wins regardless of how many flawless they have
@ki-adi-mundi It wouldn't be if there was actual incentive to go Flawless. In D1, the higher skilled players were well into the higher wins already, so that this situation happens very rarely.
ki-adi-mundi I think what he’s trying to say is that in D1 it was rarER to play only against sweaty people at 1-3 wins because now they ONLY play at 1-3 wins because of shotgun farming
At the rate we're going, things are eventually just going to turn back into D2Y1. People are asking for nerfs too much, and Bungie's way too harsh with said nerfs.
Been like that since d1y1 when they started with autos since "people are using autos way too much we are gonna need them so you can use the other weapons". Sad part is is those were bungles exact words
If I had to say for nurfs Hard light: either reduce the ricochet damage, have damage falloff or lessen the magazine to idk 35-40 Revoker: increase the amount of time it takes to regenerate ammo as if the guardian fires both shots one bullet regenerates and by increasing the time then after the guardian has fired both shots then enemies can overtake it or cap the magazine to 2 bullets (unless with backup mag) since it's meant to be suited to PvP
On the loot front, I feel like Bungie has shot themselves in the foot by having that whole "emblem affects glow/colour of item" system for the *basic* loot. If they had made that a feature of the *flawless-only* items (akin to D2Y1's glows on Flawless Trials armor), it would give them a much easier way to make more loot for Trials - have basic weapons (that properly & fully accept shaders, dangit) available for everyone, and "Adept"/"Flawless" weapons with fancy glows system & either intrinsic bonus perk, or exclusive curated rolls; perhaps do the same for armor, or have the flawless equivalent of armor be universal ornaments (because god knows we could use some that aren't tied to EV in one way or another)
While i feel like the revoker nerf thing is a little overblown, i do think that reversing the perk would actually be a really good ‘nerf’. Itll still be useful but no longer a ‘no decision’ weapon.
"hardlight isn't impossible to beat" sounds like someone hasn't gone up against a 6 stack all just spamming hardlight and switching off reloads it's broooooken you can't dash away you can't run you can't hide bc it can bounce off anything there is no escaping a hardlight and what's even better is bc of it's infinite range they just keep shooting as you try to create distance if they are actually good with it you literally stand no chance it is probably the most broken a gun has been in pvp since Lazer tag weekend
This can happen if a 6 stack team decide to go all jotun, or rat king...... or 6 of them warlock with arc and that exotic that turns grenades into turrets.
Except all of those things have limited use ability jotun is inconsistent with it's tracking and a whole team running it runs into ammo issues and the warlock exotic is limited by cool down so are sec soul rifts and arc soul timers aren't that long. When was the last time a stack of 6 ppl with rat king decided to use it for anything? I'll tell you for memes and TH-cam vids not a soul uses that gun seriously bc there are just so many easier options out there like hard light also every tactic or weapon you've mentioned has a damage fall off or can be negated by movimg behind cover they don't have a 2x richochet damage increase and can't bounce through you over 3x at 2x damage with a very large mag a fairly fast realod Lazer like accuracy with no range drop off and a feature that seems to give the bullets more magmatism than is normal when you're just trying to move out of the line of fire while being shot nothing in this game has ever been this abusable outside of the og loot cave and Lazer tag weekend it's a problem and what's worse is it won't be addressed untill next season and them instead of a simple tweak it will be needed into non existence bc bungie doesn't know what weapon balance means and seems to never play test anything ever and don't seem to have a quality control department of any kind
Hardlight is ow just mental. I actually stopped playing destiny 2 entirely due to me hating the f outta that gun in this current meta. Even my erianas vow and bow combo couldnt compete. Like wtf? What?
@@skaze8653 no really it's not like whoever gets line of sight on the other player usually gets the kill unless idk they duck into cover and start firing around corners bouncing shots making it impossible to push them unless you've got a one shot weapon most of the time they'll be able to react trying to use consoles poor field of view doesn't even work on your behalf 60% of the time bc players are learning to look up especially if there's a warlock or Titan around. Hardlight is too op and besides the content drought it's one of the main reasons next to suros and the shot gun auto aim function they added that I'm taking a break untill next season maybe next big dlc I just can't keep quing into the same toxic lobbies trying my damn hardest to even win one match and failing no matter how God like my teammates are or how solid our team play is I've watched the best players fall to this gun time and time again it is broken almost as broken as Icebreaker in d1
Recently decided to try apex legends, after so many excruciating hours in destiny facing hackers and not getting rewarded (sweet character milestone bug that doesnt even let you trade in your tokens), and honestly I dont think I'll be coming back. The trials experience has been very underwhelming and disappointing, paired that with the extra lack of content this season (3 copy pasted bunkers), all time high of hackers, and the lack of interest by bungie makes it a very easy decision, for me atleast. Shame tho, always a sad situation when the devs stop caring about their own.
I think the paywall idea will have to be very carefully executed. While I understand most New Light player won't really care about the "Pinnacle PvP" that is Trials, I feel like there will still be player that will feel left out if the paywall is something substantial.
I think datto is the first person to hit every point on my list of issues especially considering I spent 30+ hours in the playlist last weekend but due to poor matchmaking where every game the other team has unbrokens although I have never even hit legend I can’t hit 3 wins so I come up with absolutely nothing for my time even though I had hundreds of tokens. I understand I shouldn’t be able to reach flawless yet but if I’m getting blown out how Tf do they expect me to learn in this playlist it’s constantly my team getting fucked with no mercy of atleast a reward for my time. I’m just abt done with this shit bungie need to fix this.
Honestly I stopped playing just after shadowkeep, but I still come back here and watch and like, yours and a select few other D2 content creators vids. Just in case I come back, I need to be informed, and here is the best place for that. Keep up the top work!
If something happens to icarus dash because everyone's dickriding top tree now that it got it's buff when I've been putting in time with it since the beta, I might actually stop playing.
DawnbladeMainYT that’s how I feel about Antaeus wards. Been using them since forsaken. While everyone was on OEMs nuts I mastered those boots. Now everyone is on them and people are crying nerf. I’m done with this bs tbh. Dawnblade will get nerfed watch.
Change Revoker to a perk like this " On Precision Kill, this weapon automatically picks up ammo that would have dropped and loads a round into the mag." you're running sniper scav and special gives 2 rounds, 1 in the mag and 1 to reserves. this change makes revoker now reward Precision with a unique perk that is definitely still powerful
Karl Willers fundamentally it’s a sniper which means it takes far more skill than any shotgun. People that complain about a sniper need to just stop playing lol
I'd absolutely love to see Revoker's perk just outright reworked or plain removed. I hate that pinnacle weapons are (for the most part) just easy mode varients of their respective weapon types. And there's WAY too much special on this game. I was feeling like scavenger perks just need to not work in Crucible, and you can only get special ammo off of a primary weapon kill, it'd just automatically go into your inventory instead of dropping as it does presently.
but then you realise that to get these pinnacle weapons you need to put a grind in to get them so it should be fine and i dont even see enough revokers to ruin the game lol
Hardlight is absolutely busted. Especially when someone can aim with it. Most of you hardlight mains can't trace for shit so obviously it's not busted to you bots. Roll into me with a hardlight, I'll roll over you and your team with mine. You will not win a single 1v1 or even a 2v1 if I have hardlight on.
Khari Webster hardlight is broken. When you are pinned in a room by one player while the other comes behind you shotgun you, then a gun is broken. You’re double dead. You can’t heal. You can’t escape.
So we’re not gonna mention the glitch I didn’t get my chest piece this week so that means now I gotta wait 3 weeks in order for it to be back in rotation
Streamers: we never cry for nerfs Also streamers: here's what we've been discussing with Bungie about weapons/armor lesser skilled players use against us that we don't like.
Datto the reason why Revoker is so much better than other snipers is because of its zoom on top of returning ammo perk. The level of zoom snipers have in this game would make you believe maps are bigger than a city. There are currently only two snipers in the game with a 35 Zoom stat (other revoker) and come with barrels, but both are Rapid Fire Frame snipers that can't shut down supers. Now you get to a sceniro where Revoker has the 35 Zoom stat of 140 RPM snipers, a pinnacle returning ammo perk, and ability to shut down supers. How could it not be the best sniper in the game? The solution is to first reduce the zoom of all snipers because we do not need 40 zoom in this game. Even in Gambit, with its large maps 25 Zoom is more than enough because I was using Arbalest which has a zoom of 25 and it felt so much better than using a sniper because I felt like I had way breathing room. Before we nerf Revokers perk I think we should first change the zoom.
Funny how all these streamers complained about hackers when THEY got stomped...granted datto did have an example of one guy, but it's still pretty funny lol
All these paid to play guys (streamers etc) calling for a "paywall": Do you really think that the already demoralized casual playerbase is going to PAY to get steamrolled and farmed by you guys? Really? Sure.
@@doubletrouble5276 they get paid for doing carries they make alot more money than they would have to spend to play PvP again and they can just my a new account for like 5 dollars and level it up
Here's a thought, just curious, but in terms of the people only grinding the first 3 wins to farm tokens, why not put a restriction on the card reset. For example, on the trials passage, before the 3 win mark you can still reset like normal, but after you get 3 wins and the first reward, you can only reset after you either get all 7 wins, or get all 3 losses. Just a thought.
It's not that the weapon itself is overpowered it's just that perk that puts it in it's own league as a gun. There is no downside to using revoker over any other sniper
@@exmachina1405 Pinnacles/rituals are supposed to be good. The reason why they're so good is because they require a lot of effort, skill, and/or time to get. (On an unrelated note though, having rituals and pinnacles being phased out is kinda dumb given the effort and time put into getting them, but that's a different issue)
@@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv I get why people dont want them phased out but we will get more things as seasons progress and more pinnacle gear to go along with it. I like revoker and beloved but I dont want to feel like I have to use only a few guns or I'm at a disadvantage. If we phase out older weapons we get access to newer gear and it gives bungie a chance to try and balance things.
This is why I quit this game. I’ve been around since the D1 beta and in all honesty i’ve just lost faith in Bungies ability to maintain this game. There have been so many face palm moments since shadowkeep that it’s just not fun for me to play in that environment. I could go on for paragraphs about how they seem to not understand the fundamentals of looter shooter mechanics or how they never learn from mistakes in PvP design, but i’ll just keep it to this short comment. How many times have we had discussions about especially ammo economy in pvp? How many? sorry but after nearly 7 years I’m tired of treading old ground.
I agree with everything other than I believe the issues were very apparent even way before Shadowkeep, also I believe they are/have been aware of their shortcomings for as long as they've been around but literally don't care to fix anything and only care about profits.
Since I've never really been in the pvp scene before and have just got back into Destiny, I was intrigued to try out trials for the first time. First week I played was on Cauldron (whatever the previous map was at least) and had a hard time against teams rushing with shotguns. My k/d plummeted to a 0.5 and I only ran with "chill flawless" teams that were around the same skill level as me. Looking for teams in the LFG who took me seriously became harder and harder as the weekend went on as only token farmers and diamond elo teams were left. Sometime on Sunday a top 500 elo player carried me and another player to our first flawless, afterwards I learned he was most likely a cheater as his precision ratio on revoker was in the mid 90s with hundreds of kills. He had admitted to cheating in CS:GO and got a vac ban, but said he hopes to carry people to in the hopes that everyone can have an equal opportunity to get rewards, smearing the floor with try-hard teams that got in the way. He said that those teams we beat will just reset and get a flawless on the next run, but players like me and the other guy would only ever get flawless through carries since we were just that bad. This last weekend rolls around and right off the bat I start asking for carries, got many offers from good players that simply werent good enough to carry (most around top 15% elo with ~1.0k/d, they are good enough to carry their own but not make up for what I can't do. Sometime Saturday I meet 2 lads from South Africa who carry me, the players on that server are atrocious so I ended up going to a 1.5k/d for that card and we only faced a cheater after we had gotten the flawless win, but I did this on Titan where my previous flawless armor was for warlock. Sunday goes by with more people offering to carry but not being able to deliver a win. Monday comes with even more offers and I get carried once more by 2 players in the top 0.3% that both had 50+ win streaks, they were positively cheating but it was getting too late for me to wait for more offers. In the end I got the boots for my warlock and now i'm only missing the bond. After these 2 weeks I have improved to the point that I'm doing well against people in the top ~25% on elo, at least against people who average 0.8k/d. By far my favorite weapon is beloved as I'm still working towards getting revoker, but suros is a good option for me (better than spamming hardlight at least). While I did get a lot of hate messages from the LFG discord, I was also met with quite a few positive comments and helpful guardians who were willing to support me any way they could (resulting in 4 people being banned that were being quite toxic towards me and those who supported me). In the end I know I'm not a pvp player by any means, but I do enjoy this community and hope they can cater trials towards being more noob friendly in the near future. TL:DR >There are cheaters, lots of them >Token farmerrs >Disconnection issues >The community is both really sweaty but some are helpful >Recovs and carry offers >I'm bad at pvp
I ran into 2 hackers back to back today in comp. first time the guy was on my team and he was teleporting everywhere and getting kills, this was freelance by the way. The second guy was the match right after that and it was another dude and he just kept reviving over and over again. I killed him 73 times... I exited the match and the game suspended me for leaving early.
Datto, what’s your opinion on having one activity in a weekly rotation that provides double loot? For example, how the ordeal nightfall is with its drops, becoming a new weekly event
Adept weapons were special rewards in D1 for going flawless. There were trials specific weapons, but then there was the adept versions, which were just an amped version of them. It made flawless a thing to want to go for and have more of a purpose
We're back. Sorry about that, sometimes Premiere just doesn't wanna export with any audio at all! This video has been a production nightmare, lemme tell you. (Original video had no audio at all.)
It's alright daddo we still love you.
It was actually a great gag, you left us .. speechless
Can we see the struggle you went thru in a Twitch VoD?
honestly the silent treatment was a pretty solid joke, you should've done it for april 1
@@HawkmoonaMatata ok boomer
My experience with trials:
-Found 2 friends
-Load into a match
-Got destroyed by a squad with Flawless banners that were farming shotguns(probably)
-Got back to PvE never wanting to step in trials again
Same honestly
ChRiiS was it just one game? Matchmaking is also card based so they could’ve been starting a new card
Same. Played for 2 hours and never matched against anyone who hadn’t already gone flawless.
I don't see how any of that is Bungies fault though if that's what you're suggesting. It's a PvP pinnacle activity, if you and your teammates are not pinnacle pvp level players that's exactly what will happen. We're you expecting to play against bots or beginners on something like trials or something?
It's like going into a raid, dying and wiping because of a mechanic that you don't understand, then leave and never touch it again, like that's literally the experience
Victor Hugo he didn’t say it was there fault just his experience
Datto is slowly losing his mind and he's gonna turn into the Doom Slayer any day now
Yes bungie is full of imps lol
lol
@@memecrider3585 then rip and tear until it's done
Lol
He’s gotta start working out tho
So glad Bungie really took the time to rework Trials so it's enjoyable for all. They really used those 18 months well.
Funny to assume they focused on Trials for 18 months. They threw it in randomly to “help” the season and made it even more shit
They didn’t “rework” anything at all. The excuses for developers copy-pasted destiny 1 trials and took out the only incentive to play it whatsoever, adept weapons.
Moist Showerhandle that’s the point my man
Yeah but indie dev.
Alternative Title: Datto decides to not give trials the silent treatment anymore
Finally, as all things should be
*remembers first upload*
Ouch
Bungie said they didn’t want trials to come out “half baked.”
If bungie was a restaurant and destiny is their menu, and trials is their newest dish.
Gordon Ramsey would say that shit is raw. Cold, wet and burnt
Bungie designed trials like they were fully medicated and baked man 😂
Wait so it is raw but burnt?😂😂😂
Just messing with yah
@@lukemeyer5350 *Gordan Ramsey wants to know your location*
Dude trials straight up has fleas too
Only 90’s kids remember the silent era
General Kenobi Daily hello there
1890s kids be like
Quite literally
King _ G4merr3 I believe you mean Quiet literally HA CHA
lol
Pvp: hey bungie we want adept weapons
Bungie: we hear you loud and clear mechaniers tricksleeves is getting nerfs
Do you mean fusion rifles?
@@mildlydazed9608 Don't you mean Sleeper Simulant?
G33 WIZZZ thank you for your patience
This isn't funny because mechaneer tricksleeves are slept on
Dont u mean orpheus rig?
Bungie knew he was spitting facts, so they cut his mic.
Timilehin Omitaomu so true
Can I get a back story on this?
Context?
Shadows video originally uploaded without audio, as Dad-Datto explains in the comments above...
So basically, this video was uploaded before, but Datto’s voice was muted (hmmmm). But now, he is free.
“If you don’t complete a NF, you don’t get loot”
Agreed, but you also know what you’re getting into. You don’t cue up a NF and have a cha nce of getting the 970 version, or the 1060 (or anything in between). If I wanted to run a NF and got the 1060 version over and over, I’d give up, which is what Trials feels like now.
Aw little Snowflake can't win cuz he get stomped? Git gud bich that's what PvP and trials is all about. Git gud.
@@verlene10 Im gonna bet you are in the bottom 2% of pvp players and you are really young too
verlene10 what is your account username
Trials should be for the best really. Crucible is meant for players who want to have fun. Trials is meant to be sweaty and intense.
@@liamoconnor8950 i agree with you partially. Trials should be for everyone but going flawless in trials should be sth only the best can achieve. So if you are an average player you should be able to get to 3 or 5 wins if you are a really good player you should be able to get to 7 wins.if you are best of the best you should be able to easily get flawless. But right now best of the best are farming games 1 to 3 and the average player has no chance of getting anything out of trials but frustration. Even my fireteam of 3 unbrokens had a tough time getting 3 wins because of error codes cheaters and players who were way better than us and after you get 3 wins games get much easier. This is not a healthy competetive system at all.
Datto: Keeping ammo between rounds is a problem.
Also Datto: Lol, full sniper reserves.
Mason Jar 15 I’d rather have that then D1’s system but keeping ammo feels like a reward for doing well in a round
@@oak4642 Your reward for doing well is the win. You don't need an extra advantage going into the next round on top of that.
12:12
@@oak4642 WIth that system you will easily lose the rest of the rounds if you lose the first, given similar skill level. Which sucks. Why have 5 rounds of a game when you can snowball ammo to win just by killing everyone on the first round and take their green boxes?
They could make it so that each seapon is able to keep up to a certain amount of ammo at the end of a round for example snipers and shotgun 4 fusions 3 etc
Nobody:
My parents when I leave the room: 8:50
Datto releasing a video without audio was a real "you had to be there" moment
Ikr
yea
Can't wait to fondly reminisce about this moment years from now. People will forever be asking "Where were you when Datto released his no audio video?"
"I hope your children never learn to read" arguably the best clapback I've heard ever
Anyone else remember when we had no audio. Only 90’s kids remember
Killamox Lmfao facts
Feels like it was only an hour ago. How time flies
I member
Pepperridge farms remembers
It's funny though, because I remember when revoker came out, it was praised for making it unique without making it Ice Breaker and regenerating and entire magazine. This was one shot and you could not hit someone.
Now: ZOMG BUSTED.
I mean, it does break this game mode. Were they thinking of trials when they made it? No clue. My guess is not.
Also, I said special ammo economy was an issue months ago and people cried. But here we are, finally talking about it. But soon as you take away everyone's ability to run around the entire game with special, theyll lose their minds. But these are also the same people who say "We need more kinetic battles" while sniper/shotgunning the entire game.
Mountain top and jotunn are in my opinion way worse than revoker.
The solution is very simple then:
Buff the strategy of double primaries, by buffing the primaries.
It’s funny now because everyone thought that Revoker was trash, now people bitch about it. Makes me frustrated because hearing my favorite sniper getting nerfed sucks.
People switch up so much bro.
Primaries need changes in literally every department of this game. They do trash damage to even red bar ads in PvE. They are easily outclassed by people running double scavenger specials all match. As soon as a primary does any good damage (outbreak perfected) they destroy the gun.
Loot/toke farming, card/SBMM, Hackers and connection issues.
Bungie: "we dont want this to come out half baked"
Looks raw to me
'insert gordon ramsay meme here'
Lol they just got it fresh it's not even raw
It’s literally just half baked d1 trials that is worse
Don’t forget the no rewards glitch that they claimed they fixed but actually made it worse
Lmao this comment right here is the truth
DDOS is still a massive problem on console.
My group and I just got DDOS’d for the 4th time out of a flawless card. One of those runs was for our passage of confidence too.
I’m positive it was DDOS too after looking back at the other teams' records, many (sometimes most) of their games had 1 or 2 players on the other teams disconnecting.
I know my PC friends have a hard time with error codes but this experience has been so disheartening on console. I just want to shed some light on this because I’ve seen a lot of content creators who play primarily on PC say it’s not an issue anymore when it really is.
Also, I’ve reported all the teams and sent screenshots to bungie, haven’t had a single reply back.
I’m really trying my best to be empathetic to bungie with the whole COVID19 situation but these issues should have been worked out months ago.
Months ago? This has been an issue since 2014 and has become a plague.
Scott Clark oh totally, I was referring to their “testing” before launch
It appears it is either DDOS or beaver errors currently.. both are crap, more work is needed..
freakinsweetdude I just assume my internet is shite
freakinsweetdude we were on 5 straight wins... what do we get, two carries and I get ddos in one match fucking us over. Bungie is a joke about stopping cheaters.
Looks like Geralt climbed the cliff and got Datto’s voice back from the nest
“Fine, I’ll get your goat”
Geralt:You smell wonderful
Yen:were at funeral
Geralt: you smell wonderful at this funeral
Geralt: Wanna hear a limerick?
Lambert: Sure.
Geralt: Lambert, Lambert, what a prick
Toss a coin to your Datto?
”winds howling”
State of Trials: Dead
State of Destiny: On life support
Bungie: Blind and deaf
Bungie: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM , GUESS WHAT GUYS LETS PUT IN TRIALS OF THE NINE INSTEAD OF A GOOD GAME MODE CALLED TRIALS OF OSIRIS HMMMMMMMMM GOOD IDEA
Community: wot why-wo
Destiny 2 comes out:
Status: shit
Bungie: HMMMMMMMM FUCK DIDNT WORK LETS WAIT A COUPLE YEARS TO COPY AND PASTE OUR OLD TRIALS HMMMMMMMM WHI WOULD OF THOUGHT OF THAT HMMMMMMMMMMM
Destiny Status: Meh
Bungie: Copy and paste trials, but somehow make it worse, somehow
Bungie: WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COMPLAINTS AND TAKING FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY HMMMMMMMM
Community: ?
My Name Is Hugo cringe
Zubba that’s the point, dumbass
"Your dog secretly hates you..." Damn datto you didn't have to bring the dog into this thats so hurtful lmao
Implying hackers don't deserve it lol
*looks at my dog* ........i think im still in his good books
Hackers: "We've heard your requests, so we've devised a hack that will allow you to remotely error code people on the other team as well as fully reset their cards totally."
Can''t wait for Trials to ruin the special ammo economy for a second game in a row.
The special ammo economy in this game is stupid anyways, you get rewarded for dying with 2 more special ammo
That would be so shitty.
Don't forget scavenger mods
Scizor285 for reals, it's still nice picking up full mags for Bastion in IB
No, just no, if Revoker drops full mags for my shotty,fusion, please and thank you!
I played against someone who had went flawless 49 times on my first time even loading into trials
Card based matchmaking is a joke it's not working at all
@DukeTV except it's not working I know ppl whove been on 4 or 5 wins facing someone on their seventh game or even after that while still running on a flawless card. If card based matchmaking actually worked that wouldn't happen at all it's not just about sweaties farming the first three wins it's about their matchmaking process being flawed at it's core
@Scrota, Sack of Oryx Stat tracker websites. Also you can sorta tell when it's a titan with revoker shot gun and sword with full trials gear and flawless seal, etc. etc. etc.
10:08 That Hunter must be suicidal af after that....
Yeah hahaha
Well he deserved it, being on his super and still not doing shit
You brought up the topic of skill based matchmaking and card based matchmaking. After I got 3 wins this weekend my 4th game on that card we played a team that rolled us and at the end went to the lighthouse FLAWLESS the VERY NEXT GAME we lost a close game to another team going to the lighthouse. I don’t understand how card based matchmaking can exist when I’m playing teams that are flawless on my 4th game. I feel like this is another big problem that nobody really talks about.
I still don't understand the 'ties' in Trials. I traded with the enemy, I got the kill first, according to the kill fead, but my team lost the round.
Ties in Trials of Osiris are currently bugged because Bungie made the asinine decision to code the tie mechanic by using the old Trials of the Nine "Attackers & Defenders" coding: in that game mode, one team would be regarded as the "attackers" by the game's coding, the other team would be considered the "defenders" - if the round ends with a tie then the game would automatically give the win to the "defending" team.
Apparently it's spawn based on who gets the win in those scenarios, makes not sense really.
@@AVPen
Bruh, that's so dumb!
Whoever spawns on A side will always get the win in case of a trade.
Ya this happened to me not in trials but elimination where it was a 1vs1 and the other team’s guy killed my teammate first and shaxx even said they won the round to?
Quick tip when playing against hackers: DO NOT kill the ones that have infinite lives. Because of the way part of the Bungie anti cheat detection system works, the game might flag you, an innocent player, trying to win, and you might be banned. Part of Bungie's simpleton system is to check if a player is getting too many kills too fast. At that point, just do your best to record it, get your evidence, and unfortunately, suck it up. Get it to the right people, and just breathe.
Hacking and the battle to create anti cheat systems is a constant arms race, where it is often an uphill battle to make anti cheat. There are hundreds of people who make a living off of making and selling cheats. You need to have a dedicated staff to combat cheats, or hire a third party company. And with the way things are going in the world right now, such luxuries are rare. As of right now, the best we can do is to wholly discourage cheaters and their carrying services, and maybe even work with game platforms such Xbox, Playstation, and Steam to issue IP or system bans to constant offenders. At the very least, Bungie should ban players who play with cheaters. Because those people are likely paying for a carry, and if they learn that playing with a cheater will get them banned, they won't pay for it and a decent number of cheaters will no longer have a reason to cheat.
Personally, the problem with trials lies with rewards at both ends of the system. There are no rewards for participating and trying, which would please the casuals. But there are also no real reasons to go flawless due to the time investment. Unless you have matches that last about 2 minutes each, with an extra minute per match to account for finding a match, round intermissions, and loading again. Even then, most if my team's cards are between the 22 to 25 minute range. Personally, farming nightfalls is often faster, more rewarding, and the boss won't infinitely respawn or try to boot me offline. I think the token system needs to change, and the loot pool should be cleared each weekend so loot is unique per week. Otherwise, it makes NO sense to delete tokens each week, only for more items that might be considered undesirable to clog up your loot pool.
But hey, I'm just a guy that comments on videos. What do I know?
When you say that people should be banned for playing with a cheater, I get that in trials but in comp they could be solo and it might not be the other players fault. But what do I know?
@JeremyCuddles Precisely! One of its main flaws really. Because it is not currently game mode specific. So if it did have such a rule, Bungie would have to implement it just for Trials. Or you know. Just make it so the game would auto ban players that respawn without the aid of another player. But that requires effort and stuff.
@@zenn5399 I was hoping I didn't have to specify just Trials, but I guess I might as well make clear that only for Trials, seeing as how that requires a fireteam and you intentionally play with them. Seeing as comp can be with randos, I think it warrants being less strict, save for being in an actual fireteam.
It’s too late Datto, I have formed my own opinion
He doesnt like that
Opinion hmmm what's an opinion?
@@orbiothespherical6793 I believe they are the foundation of hate and all that is wrong in the world, or atleast that's what reddit said
When Datto says how he feels AKA Bungie basically waving a direct flag in Bungies face.
I’d like a loot system where there’s a chance to get certain loot after games. The more wins you’ll have the higher the percent. The lower the wins the lower the percent.
that sounds nice until everyone goes afk
ArtikzZ_ that puts you at 0 wins with like 5%
@@flister8701 but what's easier, going AFK for 20 matches and getting a guaranteed drop while doing something else productive irl, or sweating your tits off and possibly giving yourself an aneurism from the cancer by trying to win 7 games against recovs?
ArtikzZ_ hey, free wins for the rest of us
I like this idea because it means even if you get stomped, you've got a reason to be playing. Right now you need to get 3 wins to literally get any rewards at all, which is only going to get harder as casual players become less interested due to how hard it is to get loot.
"It's fun to see it take the spotlight for a season" - TWAB 02/04/2020 regarding Hard Light/Suros etc. So long Crucible, see you in June.
Who else thought Datto was hitting us with a late April Fools joke by taking away the audio
Saw this in Lord Snaxx’s insta:
r/destinythegame: Say “We’re Listening” one more god damn time
You can't fool me, Datto. I saw the other 4 uploads too!!
Atlas me clicking this video: maybe this is the one
When Datto’s description said “just end me”. I felt that.
including audio this time, I'm glad to hear your thoughts
Here's an idea for Revoker
Turn it into a touch of malice, you can keep getting your last shot back (until you actually hit someone for damage) but every time you shoot and miss you lose health.
Honestly Datto can rant about anything and I would be entertained
I appreciate that he doesn't just whine like so many other streamers.
“While the population of trials is maybe not as DIRE as people are making it to seem to be...”
* Rick Kackis has entered the chat *
Props for getting through production for this vid!
Datto: I'm not much of a pvp God or anything
*casually headshots someone out of existence*
Failing at trials in D1 was how I received my first Ice Breaker
12:07
I´ve been on the floor laughing for about three straight minutes, pure comedy gold
The card based matchmaking doesn't work from my experience. never won a single game yet facing people with 5 to 10 flawless wins
Exactly it's so annoying
That's not how card based matchmaking works
@JeremyCuddles once again that's the point of card system. You can't blame the card system for not looking at players elo at all. That's on Bungie not the system. That's like blaming the cherry pie for being burnt instead of blaming your wife for overcooking it. 🙃🙃🙃🙃
It does work, do not mix up card matchmaking with number of runs. You are getting matched with people that have done multiples flawless runs but they are on the same round as you when you get matched. The problem is that the vast majority of people playing, are those who already had 10, 20 50 flawless runs.
Just Another Gamer that’s how it’s supposed to be. That’s how it always is. You match against people who is at the same win as you. That’s how it always was in destiny 1. Trials failure is because of the shitty rewards and no rewards for just playing.
12:50: Snapshot and the low zoom of the Ambush scope makes Revoker pretty strong, regardless of the perk.
I haven’t even been able to get loot on my titan for the past two weeks because a stupid glitch
Most of the players actually. Its another stupid damn bug
I haven't been able to get loot at all because tying engrams to having to get 3 wins on a ticket is really dumb.
Seriously, I just can't get past 2 wins and gain 3 wins
The card base matchmaking is really bad since I got a new card that didn’t have a win on in and the first game I play, the enemies all have gone flawless 24 times!!. What am I supposed to do. Does this mean I’m good or does this game just hate me?
i dont think you understand what card base matchmaking means, if you are on 4 wins you are likely to match other teams with 4 wins regardless of how many flawless they have
@ki-adi-mundi It wouldn't be if there was actual incentive to go Flawless.
In D1, the higher skilled players were well into the higher wins already, so that this situation happens very rarely.
ki-adi-mundi I think what he’s trying to say is that in D1 it was rarER to play only against sweaty people at 1-3 wins because now they ONLY play at 1-3 wins because of shotgun farming
At the rate we're going, things are eventually just going to turn back into D2Y1. People are asking for nerfs too much, and Bungie's way too harsh with said nerfs.
Been like that since d1y1 when they started with autos since "people are using autos way too much we are gonna need them so you can use the other weapons". Sad part is is those were bungles exact words
If I had to say for nurfs
Hard light: either reduce the ricochet damage, have damage falloff or lessen the magazine to idk 35-40
Revoker: increase the amount of time it takes to regenerate ammo as if the guardian fires both shots one bullet regenerates and by increasing the time then after the guardian has fired both shots then enemies can overtake it or cap the magazine to 2 bullets (unless with backup mag) since it's meant to be suited to PvP
On the loot front, I feel like Bungie has shot themselves in the foot by having that whole "emblem affects glow/colour of item" system for the *basic* loot. If they had made that a feature of the *flawless-only* items (akin to D2Y1's glows on Flawless Trials armor), it would give them a much easier way to make more loot for Trials - have basic weapons (that properly & fully accept shaders, dangit) available for everyone, and "Adept"/"Flawless" weapons with fancy glows system & either intrinsic bonus perk, or exclusive curated rolls; perhaps do the same for armor, or have the flawless equivalent of armor be universal ornaments (because god knows we could use some that aren't tied to EV in one way or another)
That background footage though, what a comeback. 0_0
Aye, he found his voice again, poggers.
While i feel like the revoker nerf thing is a little overblown, i do think that reversing the perk would actually be a really good ‘nerf’. Itll still be useful but no longer a ‘no decision’ weapon.
"hardlight isn't impossible to beat" sounds like someone hasn't gone up against a 6 stack all just spamming hardlight and switching off reloads it's broooooken you can't dash away you can't run you can't hide bc it can bounce off anything there is no escaping a hardlight and what's even better is bc of it's infinite range they just keep shooting as you try to create distance if they are actually good with it you literally stand no chance it is probably the most broken a gun has been in pvp since Lazer tag weekend
This can happen if a 6 stack team decide to go all jotun, or rat king...... or 6 of them warlock with arc and that exotic that turns grenades into turrets.
Except all of those things have limited use ability jotun is inconsistent with it's tracking and a whole team running it runs into ammo issues and the warlock exotic is limited by cool down so are sec soul rifts and arc soul timers aren't that long. When was the last time a stack of 6 ppl with rat king decided to use it for anything? I'll tell you for memes and TH-cam vids not a soul uses that gun seriously bc there are just so many easier options out there like hard light also every tactic or weapon you've mentioned has a damage fall off or can be negated by movimg behind cover they don't have a 2x richochet damage increase and can't bounce through you over 3x at 2x damage with a very large mag a fairly fast realod Lazer like accuracy with no range drop off and a feature that seems to give the bullets more magmatism than is normal when you're just trying to move out of the line of fire while being shot nothing in this game has ever been this abusable outside of the og loot cave and Lazer tag weekend it's a problem and what's worse is it won't be addressed untill next season and them instead of a simple tweak it will be needed into non existence bc bungie doesn't know what weapon balance means and seems to never play test anything ever and don't seem to have a quality control department of any kind
Hardlight is ow just mental. I actually stopped playing destiny 2 entirely due to me hating the f outta that gun in this current meta. Even my erianas vow and bow combo couldnt compete. Like wtf? What?
Just kill them first lol
@@skaze8653 no really it's not like whoever gets line of sight on the other player usually gets the kill unless idk they duck into cover and start firing around corners bouncing shots making it impossible to push them unless you've got a one shot weapon most of the time they'll be able to react trying to use consoles poor field of view doesn't even work on your behalf 60% of the time bc players are learning to look up especially if there's a warlock or Titan around. Hardlight is too op and besides the content drought it's one of the main reasons next to suros and the shot gun auto aim function they added that I'm taking a break untill next season maybe next big dlc I just can't keep quing into the same toxic lobbies trying my damn hardest to even win one match and failing no matter how God like my teammates are or how solid our team play is I've watched the best players fall to this gun time and time again it is broken almost as broken as Icebreaker in d1
Datto is the very best version of someone reading from a script but wrote it as if he is really just talking.
there should be no reason tokens are vanished weekly that would solve one of the big issues.
Can we get a re upload of the silent video? Kinda miss it now
Recently decided to try apex legends, after so many excruciating hours in destiny facing hackers and not getting rewarded (sweet character milestone bug that doesnt even let you trade in your tokens), and honestly I dont think I'll be coming back. The trials experience has been very underwhelming and disappointing, paired that with the extra lack of content this season (3 copy pasted bunkers), all time high of hackers, and the lack of interest by bungie makes it a very easy decision, for me atleast. Shame tho, always a sad situation when the devs stop caring about their own.
YourAverageLowIQPlayer try dead by daylight. It can be super fun!
Play warframe its a better destiny
I think the paywall idea will have to be very carefully executed. While I understand most New Light player won't really care about the "Pinnacle PvP" that is Trials, I feel like there will still be player that will feel left out if the paywall is something substantial.
I think datto is the first person to hit every point on my list of issues especially considering I spent 30+ hours in the playlist last weekend but due to poor matchmaking where every game the other team has unbrokens although I have never even hit legend I can’t hit 3 wins so I come up with absolutely nothing for my time even though I had hundreds of tokens. I understand I shouldn’t be able to reach flawless yet but if I’m getting blown out how Tf do they expect me to learn in this playlist it’s constantly my team getting fucked with no mercy of atleast a reward for my time. I’m just abt done with this shit bungie need to fix this.
Honestly I stopped playing just after shadowkeep, but I still come back here and watch and like, yours and a select few other D2 content creators vids. Just in case I come back, I need to be informed, and here is the best place for that.
Keep up the top work!
If something happens to icarus dash because everyone's dickriding top tree now that it got it's buff when I've been putting in time with it since the beta, I might actually stop playing.
DawnbladeMainYT that’s how I feel about Antaeus wards. Been using them since forsaken. While everyone was on OEMs nuts I mastered those boots. Now everyone is on them and people are crying nerf. I’m done with this bs tbh. Dawnblade will get nerfed watch.
The Gordon Ramsay joke about it being raw is hilarious especially with the video. We need more of those
Well trials is finally for streamers! Have at it now!
Regen on the final shot was originally called for Whisper's Nerf to buff it back to former glory
I’d be ok with revoker becoming an exotic tbh
“I know that if someone shoots at me with 2 sniper shots or 2 shotgun shots, they’re out of ammo”
Pans to ammo counter with 17 sniper bullets ‘lol’
😂😂
“If bungie wants to “innovate more”” lol
one of the big issues with revoker is it can still regen its ammo after hitting a titans barricadeeven though you get damage numbers on them.
8:57 I think some quickplay hacker just killed himself after hearing that
Change Revoker to a perk like this " On Precision Kill, this weapon automatically picks up ammo that would have dropped and loads a round into the mag." you're running sniper scav and special gives 2 rounds, 1 in the mag and 1 to reserves. this change makes revoker now reward Precision with a unique perk that is definitely still powerful
i hope they leave revoker alone, and just leave it behind with weapon retirement.
Weapon retirement will be the final nail in the coffin for d2
You made great points in this video but holy goddamn nice clutch on game 2. I was actually on the edge of my seat.
The people bitching about revoker needing a nerf is the reason they don't bother making good weapons anymore.
Because they'll get nerfed too??
@@tnzn4951 Exactly. Notice how they had to nerf almost all of the pvp pinnacle weapons and now we don't have any this season?
@@cybermunky3438 I did pick up on that when I came back to D2 after my break
Karl Willers fundamentally it’s a sniper which means it takes far more skill than any shotgun. People that complain about a sniper need to just stop playing lol
Revoker SHOULD be better than other snipers. Just like every other pinnacle weapon in the game.
I'd absolutely love to see Revoker's perk just outright reworked or plain removed. I hate that pinnacle weapons are (for the most part) just easy mode varients of their respective weapon types.
And there's WAY too much special on this game. I was feeling like scavenger perks just need to not work in Crucible, and you can only get special ammo off of a primary weapon kill, it'd just automatically go into your inventory instead of dropping as it does presently.
but then you realise that to get these pinnacle weapons you need to put a grind in to get them so it should be fine and i dont even see enough revokers to ruin the game lol
I’m curious who would like revoker nerfed?
Idiots who don't own it.
Jackson Duncan why would they nerf it, it’s supposed to be good and I worked my ass of to get it (using a shitty rolled persuader)
@@goatachi7223 it's not even that hard to get it's just tedious as hell. They should keep it where it is but leave it behind in weapon retirement
8:50 Datto using the big boy words. I’m 100% okay with this when it comes to hackers 🤣
Finally, someone actually knows that Hardlight isn’t op, and the people that complain are the ones that miss the sniping handcannon meta
Khari Webster sniping hand cannon meta is going on right now
Hardlight is absolutely busted. Especially when someone can aim with it. Most of you hardlight mains can't trace for shit so obviously it's not busted to you bots. Roll into me with a hardlight, I'll roll over you and your team with mine. You will not win a single 1v1 or even a 2v1 if I have hardlight on.
Khari Webster hardlight is broken. When you are pinned in a room by one player while the other comes behind you shotgun you, then a gun is broken. You’re double dead. You can’t heal. You can’t escape.
im i going mad or did i really see a stormtrance warlock blink at 9:30
"We don't want to ship out trials halve baked"
The zoom in to his sniper ammo was priceless
I truly believe that this current state of trials should be just removed and reworked
Rita Ghazal shut up casual player
So we’re not gonna mention the glitch I didn’t get my chest piece this week so that means now I gotta wait 3 weeks in order for it to be back in rotation
Streamers: we never cry for nerfs
Also streamers: here's what we've been discussing with Bungie about weapons/armor lesser skilled players use against us that we don't like.
Datto the reason why Revoker is so much better than other snipers is because of its zoom on top of returning ammo perk. The level of zoom snipers have in this game would make you believe maps are bigger than a city. There are currently only two snipers in the game with a 35 Zoom stat (other revoker) and come with barrels, but both are Rapid Fire Frame snipers that can't shut down supers. Now you get to a sceniro where Revoker has the 35 Zoom stat of 140 RPM snipers, a pinnacle returning ammo perk, and ability to shut down supers. How could it not be the best sniper in the game? The solution is to first reduce the zoom of all snipers because we do not need 40 zoom in this game. Even in Gambit, with its large maps 25 Zoom is more than enough because I was using Arbalest which has a zoom of 25 and it felt so much better than using a sniper because I felt like I had way breathing room. Before we nerf Revokers perk I think we should first change the zoom.
Funny how all these streamers complained about hackers when THEY got stomped...granted datto did have an example of one guy, but it's still pretty funny lol
Mtashed has posted vids with multiple hackers lol
Cbass Yokum there is plenty of vids with hackers
Maybe a good balance of the revoker perk could be that reversal of fortune can only prock {X} times per magazine
All these paid to play guys (streamers etc) calling for a "paywall": Do you really think that the already demoralized casual playerbase is going to PAY to get steamrolled and farmed by you guys? Really? Sure.
I mean I dont like the pay to play, BUT it would reduce hackers by quite a bit. Since if they get banned they would have to buy the dlc again.
@@doubletrouble5276 they get paid for doing carries they make alot more money than they would have to spend to play PvP again and they can just my a new account for like 5 dollars and level it up
@@everettgrandberry4974 what? I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are trying to say.
8:50 - 9:06 agreed, couldn't have come up with a better description myself
There should be matchmaking in trials. Ez fix
Here's a thought, just curious, but in terms of the people only grinding the first 3 wins to farm tokens, why not put a restriction on the card reset. For example, on the trials passage, before the 3 win mark you can still reset like normal, but after you get 3 wins and the first reward, you can only reset after you either get all 7 wins, or get all 3 losses. Just a thought.
Revoker=used a lot
Used a lot =potentially annoying
potentially annoying ≠ overpowered
It's not that the weapon itself is overpowered it's just that perk that puts it in it's own league as a gun. There is no downside to using revoker over any other sniper
@@exmachina1405 Pinnacles/rituals are supposed to be good. The reason why they're so good is because they require a lot of effort, skill, and/or time to get. (On an unrelated note though, having rituals and pinnacles being phased out is kinda dumb given the effort and time put into getting them, but that's a different issue)
@@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv I get why people dont want them phased out but we will get more things as seasons progress and more pinnacle gear to go along with it. I like revoker and beloved but I dont want to feel like I have to use only a few guns or I'm at a disadvantage. If we phase out older weapons we get access to newer gear and it gives bungie a chance to try and balance things.
Make the ferocity path award a free win after 2 wins. Makes it easier for lower skill players to get to 3 wins for loot.
This is why I quit this game. I’ve been around since the D1 beta and in all honesty i’ve just lost faith in Bungies ability to maintain this game. There have been so many face palm moments since shadowkeep that it’s just not fun for me to play in that environment. I could go on for paragraphs about how they seem to not understand the fundamentals of looter shooter mechanics or how they never learn from mistakes in PvP design, but i’ll just keep it to this short comment. How many times have we had discussions about especially ammo economy in pvp? How many? sorry but after nearly 7 years I’m tired of treading old ground.
Same Here tired of promises and no action
I agree with you boss. I been playing doom eternal and persona 5 royal
I agree with everything other than I believe the issues were very apparent even way before Shadowkeep, also I believe they are/have been aware of their shortcomings for as long as they've been around but literally don't care to fix anything and only care about profits.
Since I've never really been in the pvp scene before and have just got back into Destiny, I was intrigued to try out trials for the first time. First week I played was on Cauldron (whatever the previous map was at least) and had a hard time against teams rushing with shotguns. My k/d plummeted to a 0.5 and I only ran with "chill flawless" teams that were around the same skill level as me. Looking for teams in the LFG who took me seriously became harder and harder as the weekend went on as only token farmers and diamond elo teams were left.
Sometime on Sunday a top 500 elo player carried me and another player to our first flawless, afterwards I learned he was most likely a cheater as his precision ratio on revoker was in the mid 90s with hundreds of kills. He had admitted to cheating in CS:GO and got a vac ban, but said he hopes to carry people to in the hopes that everyone can have an equal opportunity to get rewards, smearing the floor with try-hard teams that got in the way. He said that those teams we beat will just reset and get a flawless on the next run, but players like me and the other guy would only ever get flawless through carries since we were just that bad.
This last weekend rolls around and right off the bat I start asking for carries, got many offers from good players that simply werent good enough to carry (most around top 15% elo with ~1.0k/d, they are good enough to carry their own but not make up for what I can't do. Sometime Saturday I meet 2 lads from South Africa who carry me, the players on that server are atrocious so I ended up going to a 1.5k/d for that card and we only faced a cheater after we had gotten the flawless win, but I did this on Titan where my previous flawless armor was for warlock. Sunday goes by with more people offering to carry but not being able to deliver a win. Monday comes with even more offers and I get carried once more by 2 players in the top 0.3% that both had 50+ win streaks, they were positively cheating but it was getting too late for me to wait for more offers. In the end I got the boots for my warlock and now i'm only missing the bond.
After these 2 weeks I have improved to the point that I'm doing well against people in the top ~25% on elo, at least against people who average 0.8k/d. By far my favorite weapon is beloved as I'm still working towards getting revoker, but suros is a good option for me (better than spamming hardlight at least). While I did get a lot of hate messages from the LFG discord, I was also met with quite a few positive comments and helpful guardians who were willing to support me any way they could (resulting in 4 people being banned that were being quite toxic towards me and those who supported me).
In the end I know I'm not a pvp player by any means, but I do enjoy this community and hope they can cater trials towards being more noob friendly in the near future.
TL:DR
>There are cheaters, lots of them
>Token farmerrs
>Disconnection issues
>The community is both really sweaty but some are helpful
>Recovs and carry offers
>I'm bad at pvp
I ran into 2 hackers back to back today in comp. first time the guy was on my team and he was teleporting everywhere and getting kills, this was freelance by the way. The second guy was the match right after that and it was another dude and he just kept reviving over and over again. I killed him 73 times... I exited the match and the game suspended me for leaving early.
Datto, what’s your opinion on having one activity in a weekly rotation that provides double loot? For example, how the ordeal nightfall is with its drops, becoming a new weekly event
5:41 please explain why Adapt Weapons is so good and important for rewards ? i have no idea why :(
Adept weapons were special rewards in D1 for going flawless. There were trials specific weapons, but then there was the adept versions, which were just an amped version of them. It made flawless a thing to want to go for and have more of a purpose
8:50 when you see someone hoarding and buying all the toilet paper in a supermarket