Destiny 2: Season of Dawn Closing Thoughts and Recap
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Season of Dawn ends in a week, with Season of the Worthy taking its place on March 10th. Today's video is a recap of the season's events and my feelings on those events and the season as a whole.
In short:
Saint-14/Story: Enjoyed this.
Sundial: It was ok for a brief time.
End Game: Not good.
Ritual Weapons: Python good, other two meh.
Exotics: Devil's Ruin meh, Bastion quest had some hype, but fell flat after the Corridors of Time was solved.
Charged With Light: Interesting concept, but not enough value for an average player to fully commit to.
Inotam: Better than Undying Mind, but Undying Mind set a low bar.
Empyrean Restoration: Easiest god roll farming ever.
This season did not hold my attention well because everything was handed to me. I did not need to work for anything, I was not challenged by anything, which makes all rewards feel hollow at best. When is looting in this game going to be exciting again? I am tired of grinding for god roll weapons as the main thing to do. I need something else to occupy my time with in this game.
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Datto: "Raid loots is hot garbage"
Me: unable to get GoS's pulse rifle with Rapid hit - kill clip
But why thou
I have 3. Wish I could give you one lol
Yeah, me too dude. 42 clears, and outlaw/kill clip’s the closest I’ve gotten.
@@travousbieber3939 mine is 49, most of my clanmate already received them but not me.
Or Prophet Of Doom being absolutely top notch in the conversation of shotguns in general.
When your only other current up to date option for a precision frame shotgun in the Energy slot is Retold Tale and trying to track one down with a good roll is a huge pain in the ass, Prophet of Doom is 100% worth doing the raid for.
"I was disappointed to not be part of the team solving the community puzzle" - Welcome to the 99%
Unfortunately most community events are like that unless it involves doing something as simple as shooting or pressing buttons. The puzzles are just too complex for the vast majority of players who are even left...
Like how would one even know where to start or where to go from there even?
I swear this season felt like it was 50 years long
Bartek Wohlert thats because there was an almost 3 week content drought at the end of the season
u were just stuck running around circles in the infinite forest
Nah it felt more like 77
I hate to be the one to tell you, but you've been in the Corridors of time for 50 years.
We only just managed to get you out of there. Your friends and family are all gone.
After the first year they had a ceremony to mourn you. They each buried something that reminded them of you.
From looking at Hexagons with Sweatcicle for 5 straight days to get an exotic a WEEK early, to spending 30 minutes on a fun but lackluster exotic quest, to then just click buttons in the tower, I'm gonna put this below season of the drifter. Still not Curse or warmind bad, but still pretty bad.
I skipped the beginning of the season, but came back to complete the title the past few days. I liked it a lot better once all the content was actually available
Yea that’s a good content model. Wait until the end to pretend there’s content.
yeah but what if i wanted to play every week for good weapons, insted of having bungie giving them, and completing some difficult activities that give me a sense of complition, wich are not present, edit: with good loot too, and finaly going after the seal to rub it off in front of my friends face , but wait they got it too because it's not a chalenge at all.
I think it was a good seson
I did exactly the same thing. Left destiny right at the beginning of Season of Dawn, came back right at the beginning of the community event. It was awesome, had a shit ton to do, not so bad grind and even got the title in the process.
@@omensoffate Pretend there's content? Someone tell me what this new light kid is crying about.
Frosty hey if you think running on a hamster wheel is content more power to ya
I feel like Bungie has really cornered themselves with the limited time to earn weapons we're getting with this format. On one hand I totally agree with Datto in that the loot feels very uninteresting especially when it's practically given away for free, and having to play for the loot is a lot more interesting and fun. On the other hand, it took me 80+ rolls to get the Breachlight that I wanted specifically and I NEVER would've gotten that if I had to do Sundial that many times for it, given the limited amount of time we had.
I really think we need to step away from this limited-time-to-earn model or the game is just gonna continue this way. Either people will be mad if they don't have time to earn the loot, or people will be mad the loot is too easy to get.
Level19CPU Exactly this^^^^ I’m a father and work full time. I just don’t have the time to commit to this game like I used to have. This season was a godsend for me because before SoD, after 4 infamy resets in Gambit I’d only ever gotten 2 Bygones to drop and both were garbage rolls.
There needs to be a medium between the time intensive grinds for loot with garbage rolls (eventually settling for a halfway decent roll because you’ve given up all hope of ever seeing that quick draw/opening shot mindbeders) and literally giving you unlimited chances at the press of a button for easy godrolls.
If raids offered actual unique weapons with fixed rolls again (like D1) and a 60 stat roll floor for armor they’d actually be worth running beyond the mindless farm for pinnacles/well rolled stat gear. You could even bring back the unique cosmetics and endgame upgrade materials too. In fact, ghost shells, sparrows, and ships should have never left the reward loot pools in raids in the first place.
@@garagegames6187 Yes, but... but... *Hardcore Players:* "Git gud, crying noob, play another game, this is _for us,_ *not* you." *MY POINT:* Fuck you, Bungie. Enjoy the fruits of your stupid decisions as players leave. *I checked out* in June 2017 when it became clear this game (series) ain't going nowhere as "a continuous journey" _of my Guardian(s),_ but instead until its shutdown will remain "grind, reset, grind, reset, grind..."
Whenever I watch a review of the season from Datto it leaves me wondering why he even plays Destiny. It genuinely seems like he doesn't enjoy the game.
He probably is sick of it but the game is his job. He knows he wont get nearly the same amount of views if he isnt talking about Destiny.
Thank you! Well Stated!
The game is dead that’s why. I stopped playing after shadowkeep and haven’t looked back. Sad cuz D1 was a blast.
I stg this dude just rants and rants so fucking much. i know when you love something you want it to inprove but he's just so toxic and demeaning. i dont think he's ever had a massive swing to happiness for the game as he does with his swings to the negative side. hes not helping by complaing so hard and it seems like he's played so fucking much he's breaking apart inside
Dennis Wingo he had an awesome time with forsaken IIRC
This season was pretty limited in content and challenge, though the stuff it did provide was awesome, cool armor, ok guns, awesome new character, nice (and incredibly easy) title, meh new mode and rewards system. I’d give it a 7.5 in content from December to the end of January, then the content is dry AF
At least you actually had to do something to get the title, unlike the easiest titles in the game to get dredgen and unbroken.
@@Alex90652 woah woah woah you don't know how many games of gambit I had to go through *sheds tear* dear god
@@itsmorbingtime I know that's right. Plus you need rng for that ghost shell not to mention getting the malfeasance quest back then was no easy thing.
@@itsmorbingtime Exactly you just had to play Gambit. Nothing special. It was all very trivial back in the day.
@@Alex90652 are we talking now or back then? Cause getting the malfeasance quest to start was hard asf
The best way to play Destiny 2 in my opinion is to take a break every 2 months and let the Season settle in. Taking a month off of Destiny will inevitably prevent you from becoming too oversaturated for the game as a whole
That's what happened for me. I didn't play after forsaken, then jumped back in halfway through Opulence and there was just so much to do and I loved that. That's when Destiny is at it's peak imo. When there is so much to do and you actually want to do all of it. That made the grind for things like Izanagi's and Recluse or whatever other pinnacle weapon so much better, because I wasn't timed on them, I worked on them when I wanted.
Monster of Analysis That is pure facts
I just downloaded ESO again as a downtime or fallback game to play when I get bored of D2. It's been a few months since I played that, and by the time I catch up, I should be good to come back to D2.
The good thing about doing that, is I'm not irritable about upcoming meta changes as someone that's solely invested in D2, and actually welcome the change.
Monster of Analysis i would do that, except i also don’t want to miss out on anything either. the fact that everything is limited and is always going away makes me want to play even less, knowing that i’ll be punished for wanting to take a break. bungie knows this though and i’m hoping they fix it
It takes forever to get through the season pass..
Finishing thoughts: glad it's almost over
That's how I've felt about every season of D2.
Dont worry man this is just the beginning
I thought this season was boring and a stoopid theme
@@dylanolexa8408 Wasn't there for CoO?
@@Alex90652 what
Story 8/10
Symmetry 9/10
Corridors of time gladd sleeping/10
Quality of life 5/10
In conclusion Saint-14 is too wholesome for this world
I’m just so glad I got my first title from this season.
Me too!
Same!
Easiest title gang
Same. Even if it was easy, I actually got a title and I'm very happy about that.
Same! Savior gang
tbh i was farming legendary shards, not god rolls lol
Bright dust from engrams and enhancement cores
Kinda sums up my thoughts on a lot of events in game recently. “It was...something.”
That's been my experience of destiny since D1 year 1
1:40 Can’t touch this.
Datto it seriously sounds like you need to take a break from this game irregardless of what the next season is.
regardless*
Yeah he sounds pretty salty about it. He missed out on all those dope subs from the puzzle too 😂
@@sorcen9580 they're largely synonymous but irregardless is a portmanteau of irrespective and regardless, they're basically two versions of the same word but irregardless has more stress placed on it. So you'd tell me Season of the Worthy is good and I'm like Regardless, I Need Them To Change More Things Before Destiny Feels Worth Playing Again and you'd say Trials Is Coming Back and I'd say Irregardless, Destiny 2's Core PVP Gameplay Doesn't Personally Have The Elements I Liked About D1 Trials
@@RandomFactor "Irregardless is a nonstandard synonym for regardless [...] Its nonstandard status is due to the double negative construction of the prefix ir- with the suffix -less." It's a "synonym" only because people use it so much, but it doesn't really make sense.
TheStagswag totally agree, he’s mad that Gladd is making more money ..haha
Maybe the reason raid loot isn’t that great anymore is that the game is now designed very much so with the solo player in mind. As such, players like myself might not be that bothered about finding teams as we have lots of solo content to play and new match made activities. Bungie’s statistics probably reflect this meaning that they put the loot in the modes people play the most so that they keep a bigger player base and it’s possible that mode isn’t raids anymore
I don't think it's even just that raid loot isn't good - I think a big part of it is that non-raid loot is too good. Perks like rampage, kill clip, outlaw, and good combos of those seem a lot more common than they were in D1, and are a lot more powerful even after they were nerfed in Shadowkeep. In addition, everything new in D2 has been *insanely* easy to grind to the point that we're now literally being handed them in the tower.
D2 was honestly fine for raid weapon power in Y1. Just look at Midnight Coup - it was absolutely top tier, but from Y2 onwards it only stuck around because people liked how it felt. Then an even better alternative started dropping from a non-raid activity and Coup is little more than a memory. That's the problem. Midnight Coup didn't get worse - we just started getting a better option without even raiding. The problem is that in the massive list of unsustainable, overcompensating buffs that came with Forsaken pretty much every gun gained the ability to be as good as raid loot, and we're *still* suffering game longevity issues from that even after walking many of those buffs back.
In D1, a hand cannon with Outlaw and Dragonfly was absolute top tier raid loot. In D2 Y2 onwards, an almost identical HC is just another gun.
Everything was tedious and rewards lukewarm at best.
I made so many cookies tho.
about the cookies, they're the single reason why i'm level 932 on my season pass
Same
I don’t know. Dawn was lacklustre, but not all bad. I can’t really put myself into the shoes of someone who plays it for a living, but as a more-than-casual destiny player, who only has a three quarter full vault of god rolls, I found the season engaging for approximately 6 weeks. In 6 weeks I got the rituals, exotics, artifact lvl 100, pinnacle power cap, 2 high stat (void of course - lol) dawn armours with mods, the saviour title, and god rolls on the few sundial weapons I found interesting.
Now, is 6 weeks long enough? Well no, but in fairness I could have got all the same things accomplished playing only a few hours each weekend, and THAT would have stretched the entire season. Honestly, I feel rejuvenated after taking a break anyway!
I don’t know what the answer is for everyone, but I just can’t shit on it like most. Dawn’s an 8/10 for me, and I’m looking forward to season of the worthy.
Perhaps Destiny isn't a game for Datto anymore. He said it's his job and I guess that's the only thing that keeps him playing. Must suck to have to force oneself to engage in something that isn't to his enjoyment.
Hello Datto, Can you make a short video to bungie that suggest them to add auto dismantle for blue items ? It is trash and why I should waste time dismantling them ? Another thing to add is the vault should be accessable through touchpad menu why bother for extra app on phones ?
Another thing to add is a feature where you can mark items for dismantle and you can dismantle them all at once.
Stopped playing at the second half of the season, didn't even get to donate
Don't worry, you didn't miss a thing bro.
well if you quit you cant rlly donate lol
Sad to see Datto only plays this game just for money now. You can really tell how sick of it he is.
@Yeh. Exactly, he's done everything, he has all the seals, he's seen it all. He burnt himself out. He has nothing else to do and no real desire to play the game anymore besides making content on it since nobody wants to see him play anything else. Everyone one of his videos this year have been kind of rant heavy. At this point he would have just started playing something else, but he can't afford to play anything else.
Every activity in destiny since year one destiny one has been monotonous. Datto has been ranting about destiny's dull content for years, yeah it's very obvious he's sick of the game at this point in time.
It’s his job now. He’s got bills to pay like everybody, but I think he genuinely does like the game. he just doesn’t have the luxury of walking away from it when bored or frustrated like we do.
@@ryeb so true, and this and the majority of videos he's posted since d2 y1 shows his frustration with the game.
No OG Destiny player still plays for fun lmaooo
GrandStyles D1 Beta player here-still play almost everyday for fun.
Was I the only person that sorta spaced out in the parts of gameplay for corridors of time part 1, that music was so cool!
It's funny when you complain about power creep being a thing but when there is literally none, what so ever you end up with hundreds of worthless items because nothing feels more powerful so there's no need to get it. If raid items actually got a substantial boost in power, you would see them as a power creep when they demand that every raid after do better and make something stronger. You really don't get a dog in this fight when you denounce any form of power creep which would fix our issue.
Edit: removing good weapons and replacing them with again good weapons isn't power creep, that's called a pallet swap.
Tyrel thats why he’s asking for weapon retirement so that old good weapons go away giving room for new good weapons
Snoops yay. Can’t wait to get (reload perk) and (damage perk) on the same archetype I like!
@@Ali-bd6kb weapon retirement doesn't matter, here's why. How many fucking auto rifles can you get that are trash because they don't have x perk, okay better yet how many pallet changes can we get of the same weapon for what half a decade? You can retire any and I mean any non exotic or pinnacle and it won't matter because an auto rifles is an auto rifle with only slight slider changes. You need to power creep to make a new set of autorifles worth a fuck because otherwise you're just taking trash and swapping it with a slightly tinted pile of trash
@@terisladwin5337 That would take static rolls to do but bungie isnt a fan of letting people grind to get weapons like that but more than 3 times a week once per character. I think that would work but, it kills exotics because that's what exotics are. The issue with them is they're either broken or subjective ie one eyed mask prenerfs and lions rampart, when you can only choose one that starts a game state issue. Legendaries with broken perks are broken when A). All the challenge comes from bumped stated ai and forced changes in game play. I made a remark about this with the changes to snipers because we fucking did this in D1 with ghorn, the guns aren't always the issue in high end pve but enemy design and how we interact with them is. 2). The perks we have now are very minimal in effect, we took shot package out because it was too good on shotguns but didn't ask why, it's best in slot because no one else showed up to compete. When a perk does so much for a gun that it shows an actual impact in gameplay and everything else is your time to ready from sprint is .05 seconds faster and is only worth a fuck when stacked a shit ton. The players engagement with a perk matters and reload time and ttk are the most effective and efficient way to show that to a player. But when we don't have perks with downsides or in bungies case it work something like shotguns do x amount per pellet in return for lower accuracy but how you're using would negate it's downside. My favorite gun is loa because it hits fucking hard but handles poorly so take that idea and translate it to a set of perks and we could make something happen, strong effects at a cost and minimal effects for no cost. I mean even weapon frames could be used to tweak it more because as it stands right now every perk they have made that is different gets nerfed to the ground because they even fucking said it they're afraid of power creep when there is none because it gets murdered before anything can answer it.
Snoops Datto’s opinions have been poor for awhile. My biggest issue with him is that he plays D2 for a job essentially, hours upon hours a day, then complains that the content is stale because there’s nothing to grind.
Like, yeah...? It’s gonna be stale when you clock upwards of 8 hours in the game every single day.
Holy crap that season 10 trailer was HYPE.
They're always hype. Wish the team making the actual content was as good as the one making the trailers.
Keshav Tarafdar it’s always hype. But there’s no content. People will bitch again.
It's easy to generate hype but much harder to actually provide something worth the hype. D2 has time and again proven it's just hype and everything ends up falling flat and boring within the season.
Sucker... 😁
13:08 the hardest part is bothering to look for a group to do the legendary run of the sundial. I still haven’t managed to do it yet.
The LFG discord is just a couple clicks away... but so is a different game...
Uh oh.
If they changed raid loot, like if the raid loot would be max infuse-able till the next new raid. Something
What platform?
I used Destiny 2 mobile app to find group, was super easy and quick.
Unpopular opinion: I feel like the reason that destiny 2 is easy isn't because we're too op, but because enemies are too basic in terms of AI and attack pattern/method.
I agree, in D1 enemies would just stand there and shoot, in D2 they made them charge us and take cover/ teleport. In Destiny 3 it be cool to see them, add even more intelligence like, groups of enemies ganging up together/ retreating.
@@ikon8275 lol like they managed to do with halo like 15 years ago.
@@rpemulis To be fair, there's a lot of complex mechanics that the AI emploh. But they're so watered down that it barely matters. Grenades are incredibly obvious and not very threatening, most Taken abilities that make a difference just make you go through more trouble to kill them, etc etc. Scorn are the hardest enemy type to fight, but some of their weapons and abilities feel annoying, with no real counter. As well, they haven't been relevant for over a year (Has there even been a Fanatic master nightfall yet?).
Destiny's needed a difficulty buff for a long time. Not a grinding buff, a difficulty one. Enemies are rarely threatening after you've met their power level, with the occasional physics-based exception. And that's a big part of Destiny's problem, really. The power grind defeats what is (to me) the best part of the game, when you actually need to think about the situation at hand, rather than just pointing and clicking until you run out of enemies.
@@aspenfacer-valentine4397 I agree fully.
Destiny 1 was far more difficult and the enemies were either no different or simpler than they are now in D2. I go back to D1 every once in a while and always have to adjust for the increase in difficulty. It's definitely because our abilities and guns are way overtuned. There's no danger and mechanics have little to do with it.
After the baking runs and fractaline stacks, I died out. Part of me is sad I didn’t put more time, to get the ornaments at the end the battle pass I payed for, but the stale grind for god rolls like you mentioned got stupid.
Your opinion comes across as someone who is completely burned out with this game. You want Bungie to reinvent Destiny but that will never happen. All they ever do with this franchise is experiences after experiences and never stick with any of them. Been like that since 2014.
7:33 yes datto that is very correct. Im no good at puzzles like bastion, but whisper and zero hour was probably one of the top 5 things I had the most fun with in d2
I didn’t mess with charge of light because it requires you to take debuffs of sorts and I’m not nerfing myself for a potential at some weird effect
I started playing Destiny 2 in the last 2 weeks of this season, with the help of my clan explaining stuff to me I got both the title and all of the triumphs.
I for the most part stopped playing after getting 970. Only came back to invest fractaline and now i have like 8000 fractaline in my inventory and have no will to do anything with it.
15:50 and now we know the PVE side of Season 10. Lost Sectors and Public Events....yay
Yeah so enticing, what were they thinking
If legendary lost sectors are like the big spider bounties I guess people will do them once and peace off.for the season.
Aaaaaand grandmaster nightfalls PLUS a seal for them, but yeah just leave those out
Rightfully so. PvP has been neglected for a year, so it’s about damn time they focused more on PvP content instead of PvE for a season.
@@udontknowme00 A new difficulty setting and a badge are not considered actual content, even if harder the strike will always be the same
@@toalogan A different difficulty level of the same activity is hardly new content, and seals are not content. So yea, I will just leave those out.
All the god rolls won’t matter soon because good old bungie is getting rid of infusion because who wants to use guns they spent hours grinding for
Ill be honest, I stopped playing half way through the season. Once all the major story elements were done I just saw no point to keep playing. Sundial got boring really fast. Unless something changes with these seasons in between major expansions, im going to just stick to buying the bigger expansions in September and skip these boring seasons.
You might as well play something else.
I feel ya. I stopped playing halfway through season for a variety of reasons but one of the main ones is how many times I kept doing the same ol bullshit. I just get so bored of doing the exact same collect a 100 of these items, go do 40 strikes, and kill a 100 fallen or whatever they use. These seasons just aren't hitting it for me. I think your idea of coming around the major expansions is a good idea if you aren't really vibing with the seasons.
What's hilarious to me is that in turn I have played Apex Legends a lot more.
Raid weapons need some love again. At minimum they should provide a unique intrinsic perk like D1 had. WoTM weapons (Whirlwind’s Curse: Bonus Damage to Fallen. Bonus Agility). Or something else unique like Qullim’s Terminus’s perk from King’s Fall with Life Leech (Three rapid kills with this weapon heal a small amount and starts health regeneration)
I definitely agree that good rolls are too easy to get, I personally only want to use raid loot even if it's worse. I finally got the curated nation of beasts last night and I'm super excited to have Fatebringer back and that's all I'm gonna use
So, the new season details dropped. Naturally, no new raid. But don't worry guys, we're getting 3 new lost sectors! Wooo!!!!!
Please fucking kill me.
Agree with everything you said, not much to add either, it was exactly how I felt and what I did this season. So looking forward to new loot and old look getting retired.
heres how you do a puzzle, take a raid, then have that unlock the 5 day solving of the puzzle, then that opens up the 20 min style mission, and there, you dont have one every season just one a year and youll be set, itll be long and itll be fun for everyone, everything that has made anyone ever happy in a secret combined into 1
I got my Perfect Paradox god roll (accurized rounds, demolitionist, and trench barrel with stability masterwork) without playing the game.
Yay.
Mine is demolitionist 1-2p, its soooo nice
Nathan Fischer jokes on you guys I have demolitionist and the option to switch between Trench Barrel and 1-2 Punch
@@Naru_Payne same
Dato, just what are you looking for?? Something thats so horribly difficult that it reaches through your screen, grabs you by the throat, and kicks your dog? Something that perhaps 1% of the player base could ever hope to actually achieve? That wouldn't really be a good ROI for Bungies limited time/talent pool.
Everyone wants the best loot to be in their activity. Raid players like Datto want the best loot in raids, Aztecross and other pvp players want the best loot in trials. It all just depends on what you play. Not everyone is a raid or PvP sweat, bungie knows this which is why they make the content the way they do.
Well back in D1 raid and trials. It has the best loot in the game.
Should the best loot not be from the most difficult activities in the game?
@@bharlyy4177 I think loot should be spread out. You don't want a not forgotten situation again.
Dj Groopz Well yeah, I agree but the absolute best loot should come from the hardest pve activities AND hardest pvp activities in my opinion
I as a day one community member, I understand the frustrations of Datto and the streamers/hardcore.
They want Raid and end game loot to actually mean something again.
If we are all really honest with ourselfs,
lots of players like to show off, super rare loot.
Basically, rubbing and flaunting stuff in the tower as a status thing.
On the other hand, we have a ton of new/free players and a ton of intermediate players like me.
What I mean by intermediate players is,
We are technically just as skilled, as the "nolife"
but don't grind daily for whatever reason.
Even somebody like me,
I have a huge extremely active godtier clan,
And it's still kind of a pain in the ass to gather up players for a simple Pit or raid run. So I can't even imagine what it's like for a newlight player.
This isn't just bitching, here are my solutions.
The "Fomo" experiment clearly didn't work.
Also just cranking up the difficulty and bad guys, doesn't work either.
I think a nice solution would be to crank up the mystery and variety in the public stuff. Add a lot more SIMPLE mechanics into the matchmade aspects of the game.
If we did this, a lot of seasonal events wouldn't feel so quick and grindy.
They would feel more satisfying.
Also keeping the magical surprises coming,
Weather it's a level or gun quest,
Surprises have been super important in keeping our players, positive and pumped up.
I can’t believe I forgot that Datto was the GOAT! Great video.
I play two mmos quite frequently and neither aren't nearly as grindy as Destiny 2 is. This is the one game where I truly feel like I'm not making "real" progress, if anything D2 is a prime example of "games that don't respect your time".
The problem is that you already have everything, my guy.
When you have things to do, the game's fun.
You've done everything
Yea cuz its way to ez af i came back for the last to weeks and already got everything this season had to offer
11:26 what shader is that on his armor?
I thought this video was about a recap and thoughts for this season. Not a rant about you being bored about clicking buttons = getting loot. Where is the convo about how things are? the lvl of lackluster with bungie and being subjective/objective moving forward the next few seasons. let alone consequences made back in Season of Drifter
or put a boss in corridor of time
a keeper of the weapon would have been interesting imo
You're really my favorite Destiny youtuber, I really appreciate your honest non-hype takes. Thanks for all your effort, it is greatly appreciated.
I stopped playing D2 in this season again. Shadowkeep brought me back in and the vex thing had me for the season as well. This one just bored me to tears though. Doesn't help that I only play solo.
Mitch Davison same here, I used to play with lost of friends but they either moved on to new games, stopped play video games entirely, or can’t switch to pc (only 1 person Ik who can’t play pc) :(
The game isn't going to bore you, playing solo and only this game is what will kill the game for you.
I've been playing since the beta....of D1.
I haven't played but maybe 4 hours of this season. I use to run three guardians now I only level up my warlock and I haven't played in months. So...yeah. I just want a simple story mission structure that is not time gated, rewards that are not time gated, and like two new strikes, plus the one new activity. But over all what would really pull me in is if they brought back the old D1 skill trees, and put a focus on each having cooldown based ability that are measured in seconds and abilities that increase or decrease cool-downs in exchange for damage i.e.
P.s. Sword changes are fun now if we can just get like three solid styles of sword and respective combos with them, along with other weapons like daggers for the Hunters, battle Axes for the Titans, and staffs for Warlocks wouldn't that be neat! lol
i don’t care much for god rolls - i just play what’s the most fun for me, so i just used the empyrean foundation event to finish up my season pass (i got it with a month left at rank 20...) so that was pretty cool. i spent the last two months getting back into the game - i played a lot in year 1, not much in year 2 and came back at a uh... interesting time, had a lot to do that wasn’t strictly centred around the season itself.
I think this season was extra tiring because I grinded last season hard - not only the annoying vex offensive stuff but I finally knocked out all crucible pinnacles (except NF) and 4-5 titles. Mostly because last season was also slow (except for the shadowkeep release itself). As much as I love destiny, I'm really not sure where it needs to go. I feel like it's losing/lost its shine, if that makes sense.
I dont get it Datto, do you want hard, challenging grinds for interesting and unique god rolls, or do you want the loot pool to stay fresh and ever-changing through weapon retirement and have people throw away all the guns they earned with blood sweat and tears?
why not both?
@@Necron3145 Id rather not no life destiny spending hours earning a mediocre "god roll" that gets retired like two seasons later.
Yeah because pressing buttons in the tower is blood sweat and tears
@@mainemailaccounthzpc7882 Sure, this seasons werent. But you think that curated twilight oath wasnt? or that god roll altar of sorrows weapon? That god roll shadowkeep moon pulse? These things arent easy to farm for. Either they need a longer half life, or the grind needs to get easier. You cant ask people to grind weeks and weeks on end for a gun thats mediocre and will only last like half a year.
I can definitely agree on the feeling of god roll weapons literally from clicking buttons in the tower... just to shove more god roll weapons in my vault that I probably won't use over what I normally use now. Yeah, we're gonna have to figure out if we start using mountaintop for dps again, fusions ehhh RIP the perma-bonus damage shot from LQ because auto reloading change took that away. Same thing with shotguns, trying to shotgun damage a boss with the new trench barrel is super annoying. Melee, try and cram in 3 shots before you time your next punch to avoid being sent flying by ground pound, oh and yeah at some point during all of that you need to reload your gun as well.
I had every reason to stick around this season. I have a decent clan of regulars who could help me with any activity I wanted, from trivial patrols to the most try hard competitive pvp. But I just... couldn't even bother to log in ONCE this season. I got grossly turned off from the game when I missed out on the Vex Offensive because I was very busy doing everything else with the time I had. And I put it off because I didn't understand that the Vex Offensive was a time limited event until the week of fighting the Undying Mind. So when this season dropped, I made it only as far as selecting which guardian I wanted to play. I just kinda stared blankly for about 20 seconds and closed the game. I never knew that "fear of missing out" was even a thing until I experienced it, and if that's my motivation to play a game I was already being burnt out on, the game doesn't deserve my time. Really, my breaking point was this revelation. I did NOT buy the season pass with Shadowkeep believing it was a subscription to time limited content. I bought it believing all of it was a permanent extension of the game. So, I quit playing. Might come back for Trials. Guess I'll have to see where that takes me...
I agree with you on a lot of stuff but I totally disagree with you about power creep with god rolls. You play the game literally all the time. Just because you get a bunch of “god rolls” and that you don’t use them doesn’t mean that others have a huge stock pile like you do or don’t use the ones they have.
Your suggestion is so frustrating and the fact that bungie listened to you and said they are power/time limiting weapons is even more frustrating. Some people spent their very limited free time to get weapons whether it was through forges or a pinnacle weapon and you are insisting that bungie pulls them out of our hands. Let people play the game the way they want to. If you want to use the new stuff destiny releases then do it but don’t tell others how they should play the game.
You’re missing the point...the past 2-3 seasons there hasn’t been a single good weapon dropped. Not one. On top of that, because of all the power that’s been bestowed...there’s been nothing but wide spread nerfs. Weapon retirement allows for the devs to create interesting and more powerful weapons again and makes the loot hunt exciting again.
@@chrisn3819 I strongly disagree with everything you just said, actually, I don't just disagree I'm just going to say it you're wrong. There are plenty of interesting weapons to hunt for, vorpal weapons, rapid hit raid pulse, pinnacle/ritual weapons, new exotics, buffed archetypes of weapons or even weapons with unique perk combos. Let people decide if the hunt is fun for them or not. Don't pull a weapon out of someone's hands and tell them to go have fun finding it again. If you lost that thrill of the hunt again then go delete every weapon in your vault and then have fun, but that choice is up to you. I still get pumped looking for new weapons and I play the game a ton. If a player likes to play with the same old stuff then who is it hurting? Bungie doesn't have to make new loot seem appealing by tossing out old stuff.
Here is a previous quote from Bungie. I just don't see how now this is any different.
"In the months to come, your quest to become more powerful will have more avenues that lead to satisfaction. The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Since the reveal, we’ve read a lot of ideas for how this could have been done better. Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected."
freakinsweetdude
Vorpal?? Vorpal is your idea of an exciting weapon...
Never mind bro. We live on diff planets.
Chris Nen cool dude. Here you go knocking a perk that is completely new, something you’re asking for. You want bungie to power lock old weapons and by extension the power creeping perks like rampage/kill clip so new ones will seem more interesting by contrast. Well I hope you grow to like these new perks because that’s the kind that bungie are going to force us to use to keep things “fresh” so we don’t keep sticking to the old boring ones we tend to prefer.
Also I assume you haven’t tried using it because it shreds supers in pvp and is pretty awesome on majors in pve. But you still think the game has no weapons to go after.
Plus way to cherry pick one of the several things I mentioned.
freakinsweetdude nah nah...you go ahead and keep your blast furnace...I mean sacred providence. With vorpal weapon. 😂
As a new light player who joined mid season 8 (and got the pass for both 8 and 9), I'll say this:
Season 9 feels like Bungie tried a bunch of things, and some are either hit or miss, or even clear overkills:
-Season Pass rewards are... good. Again. Some rewards are a bit underwhelming (bright dust, for example...), but some are more than welcome. However, farming timelost bounties with fractaline donations made ranking up very trivial. I'm standing at 340+ as of right now. Overkill.
-Speaking of which: the Timelost bounties things was a very nice thing... Until Empyrean Donation kicked in. Then it made everything very easy. Sure, it helps in farming (I expect the community to never fall short on Legendary Shards for the next 5 seasons with that), and it can give very good loot, which, in hindsight, can help getting stuff done. I'm very happy with the rewards I got. Good Bygones, Paradox, JQK3, etc... very happy... But it became so easy that after getting what I wanted, I was just standing with nearly 100k fractaline and no way to spend them fast and easy. and it blows. Now I just dump Paradoxes down to get Fond Memories Engrams and try to get the very few Ornaments I want. Clear Overkill of loot. Easy, fast, numerous, and unoptimized, cuz apparently, we spent over 10 years total of time just DONATING the fracts. Where is the quick confirm, Bungie.
-Some new mechanics were very interesting. I grew fond of the Charged with Light mechanic as I made myself protected by the Void in many situations, making me dead less often. it helped. But I understand your reasoning of "not worth the investment when the base power does it well enough". It's a step in the right way.
-Sundial was.... okay. Yeah. Menagerie remix. Ideas were interesting, but it wasn't that different. I can't deny that Inotam was better than Undying Mind.... But that's because... well... the bar that was set was very, very, very low. A step in the right direction, at least. Again.
-Ritual weapons were.... okay, I guess? However, I'm still mad at the fact that Komodo was unfarmable unless you ran Arbalest. Because it is the only Special ammo liner fusion rifle in the game. An exotic. So if you didn't have it, you were... stuck. I wasn't, but my friend was for a while, he tried to farm without it, but after a full day of gaming in Crucible, using Heavy LFRs, he gave up when he only got 12 kills out of 125. Python was the only interesting one, Buzzard and Komodo were.... Just decent weapons for their archetypes... which are mediocre archetypes.
-I was very hyped for Corridors of Time. I sadly didn't contribute as much as others, besides giving vocal support... And all we got was a weapon that was supposed to be released in less than a week. Clearly an amazing collaborative event that... ended up very disappointing. If destiny does something that big in terms of collaboration, but got something unique out of it, something RARE that will STAY RARE for a while, or something very rewarding and secret, then we'd be good. 5 steps forwards... but 3 back. I just got Bastion early and feel guilty because I got it early thanks to the work of a few mad men that deserve their names engraved onto the City's walls.
-Exotic quests were okay. Devil was way too short, but gave some interesting interactions and lore. Bastion, well... Corridors to a Shortcut, really.
All in all: I enjoyed it a bit more than season 8. A step in the right direction overall (sorry if I make that analogy many times), but definitely things that needed fixing got the tune up needed. Now to do the same to EVERYTHING.
And so far, from the trailer and TWABs we've seen.... It is Promising. But we'll be the judges in the case of Season 10, and see if it's Worthwhile.... or Worthless.
(PS: I love your content, please keep it up, and say Hi to Raid secrets for us all if you can. ^^ )
I actually loved season 9. Every gun is strong(almost 2 or 3 exception). I got all the god rolls i want this season(which has never happened). You can ask my friends i was addicted to playing sundial, then the emperyan restoration came out and i got the rest of the god rolls i want including some i have been chasing for years(last perdition and black scorpion). I love the seasonal mod. Im currently running a build where i dont run out of fusion ammo, get charged by fusion multikills and deal more damage when charged. Worth mentioning i run 2 fusions(loaded question and 1k voices). The act of playing sundial i will admit wasnt too interesting but i love doing it for the guns. I think inotam was a fun fight(kinda wish they would bring him back for a strike). Overall when i get on destiny 2 i want god rolls to shake up my loadout(which im constantly changing) and mods for build crafting which this season nailed. I wish the activities going forward are different and non menegarie like but i love that i was able to get all the mods and weapons. Thats my thought. Honestly this might trigger some people but i don't care at this point season 9 was better than season 8 AND shadowkeep.
Well when you play a game as a job it can get stale and I think that's part of the problem. While I understand it was an easy button to get loot we didn't get that option till nearly the end of the season. I work 70hrs a week I don't get time to log on and spend literally all day to grind out one thing.... That's not fun that's more monotonous than pressing a button. I don't "need loot" to play the game and enjoy it. Alot of people who play the game enjoy it for the story lore and pvp. I respect your opinion but you have to realize that just because this is your job doesn't mean that you know what's best for the health of the game. I'd venture to say that as a content creator when loot is easy to get it makes it harder for anyone to watch your content because well unless they are a fan like me they'd have no reason to. Maybe it's time to tried something else for your channel and took a break. Nothing wrong with that 😉
I'm at school for 40 hours a week and struggled to be motivated to play this season. While they shouldn't only cater to players like Datto, they could certainly add some activities for the players who are looking for a challenge and are willing to put in the time.
Are you seriously saying playing strikes/gambit/crucible, playing the game, is more monotonous than pressing a button for an hour? I'll just disregard the rest of your post.
Can someone give Datto a hug? Poor guy just needs a hug I think.
Much more secret puzzle stuff! The whisper quest is was kept me playing D2 Y1. Having something pop up with no clue like that was so engaging. And that’s what missing for me, dev on player engagement
But there's always been a way to get God Rolls in the Tower. House of Wolves had reforging and from Taken King forward you had Arms Day and Vendor Rolls. Wasn't Hung Jury a top tier weapon? Palindrome? Clever Dragon? I know this is your opinion but it comes from a place where you have all the materials and weapons in the world. Not everyone has a raid team at their disposal. I agree that some raid weapons are pretty mundane/lackluster, and that needs to be corrected.
I personally really like Komodo for high dps stuff, you just have to be accurate which isn’t always going to happen but i personally enjoy it
Listening to Destiny 2 stuff is just painful at this point. Haven't touched it in months and don't plan to any time soon. Gone back to chillin in D1 'cause frankly it's just a more enjoyable experience.
Lol me too haha, D1 at least on ps4 still has a decent amount of players
@@JoseSilva-wv2sh Xbox as well. Matchmaking for some activities can be slow, but I haven't had any issues using LFG to get into groups.
@@Insan1tyW0lf do you still use the destiny app?
I farmed a ton of guns with the tower obelisk but I never even use them.
I have played more PvE in this season compared to previous ones. A good season for me.
My issue is with their Challenging content is it’s either raids which in my Destiny2 experience can somehow take 45 minutes or 4+ hours with no in between there or do you have to do master night Falls and those are honestly just not even fun with how difficult they are most of the time
Not to mention that a very, very large portion of the community simply does not or (due to a variety of circumstances) cannot do the raids (or NIghtfalls, master or otherwise) anyway. Shit! I've got a 1000+ hours logged since October 2019 and on day one got some quest that required a Leviathan completion...it's still in the director now. Yes, of course if I wanted to I could do something about it...but I don't...so that's where it stays. Point is...for Bungie to invest development time into making a raid the pay off has to be fairly significant...and whichever side of the fence you're on, raid content seems to be forgotten and not bothered with in no time at all so why would they put a focus on that kind of activity in the first place?
Vallejo Mach well raids used to be by far the best part of the series. I just can’t count on people is the issue and with the population ever growing that becomes more apparent. Master content also requires finding a group so you’re going to run into the same issues
3:45 you made a point man
when is hawkmoon coming out
Is Hot datto doesn’t even want it back lmao watch his vid
Is Hot there’s actually a leak on the subreddit (probably fake) that it’s this season
Is Hot it doesnt belong in the D2 sandbox. Since the whole gun was based around RNG, bungo got rid of it since they dont want rng gunfights
Aviellum Well that is not true because bloom still exists in the game, so does ghost bullets, and so does RNG spread from shotgun pellets giving a 1 hit kill or not, (all of this shown and tested countless times by FalloutPlays, CammyCakes, DrewSkys and CoolGuy). Hawkmoon would fit perfectly in Destiny 2 with the state of PvP as it is.
@@xplosives1752 welcome to the joke
I think I zoned out of Destiny 2 weeks into this season... as I did the season before. I am making it my "play first 2 weeks of new season" game.
Datto, we were told that this season was going to be pretty dry. And I agree, it was for the most part. This comment is about something else though. I have watched your videos for years and have appreciated both the content and the "pro-tips". One thing I have noticed these last few seasons of Destiny 2 is that your tone of voice about the game has changed for the worse, to the point that when I click on one of your videos, I cringe because I know it is going to be some toxic explanation about how Bungie has messed up again. Just about every video you post, you blast Bungie for doing something wrong or "how dare they do that?!!" I am not trying to be a dick, I am just hopping that you will try to find some enjoyment in the game again so that you will go back to being a positive force for change in this game.
I hope in the future rewards for puzzles would be cooler. Niobe was a useless ghost shell and Hexa-corridors of time was just a quest we would have gotten reguardless.
Brah i didn't go past minute 4. Stop with the complaining or get a new job. This is YOUR job. Love it or do something else. Im out unsubscribed. Ill go watch someone with some real enthusiasm.
yonatan4991 why should he be positive if the season was poor? He’s just giving his honest opinion...
@@jamiesmith7404 What does he expect from a $10 season is the better question...that's like 10 cents a day....if people can't get 10 cents worth of entertainment a day from the game then they should quit.
Everything felt ok honestly. The Sundial wasn't something I felt I would want to do. The Empyrean Foundation was just a random event I had no care in. And TLW nerf makes me very sad and angry
This last season has made me stop playing destiny 2 altogether, boring repetitive grind fest😑
Matthew Thorp yea thats what its been for the past like year and a half, i dont think uve been playing long
shadow beatzshoot then you’d be wrong, I’ve been playing since day 1 & (not that it matters) I clocked up over 2k hours on D1 in its span so I’ve put the time in, it’s just taken me a while to realise how boring & pointless it is playing the same thing over & over & over again for little to no reward, or rewards with only a very limited time in terms of there benefit
Matthew Thorp yea i can see that, ive played both for a long time too and i dont even touch pve anymore, i wish bungie would change up the formula cuz im not gonna play for much longer either
shadow beatzshoot well I’ve dipped my toes back in tonight to try the new content/see what there is, and it looks like unless you’re willing to pay for the season pass (I’m not, not this time!), there’s currently “maybe” a lazy hours worth, other than that it’s a case of SSDD so I’m pretty much done wasting my time with D2.
Matthew Thorp I'm not even gonna touch it other than to wait for trials on Friday, other than that I'm gonna be done with it too, rip to a once good game
When seasonal weapons like bastion’s season goes away does bastion go into the exotic loot pool? Or is it just unobtainable
Lol, Charged with Light. I have no idea what that is and doubt I ever touched, engaged it.
Huge agree with raid loot. It isn’t interesting enough. What if legendary gear had perks that you could only get on gear of that theme?
We are not youtubers we are people with normal jobs wife and kids stuff like that so if they make you get the weapons in the last few weeks so be it. I dont have youtuber time to play destiny
As a new light i have a feeling season 9 was this easy to introduce us
At the Tower in Destiny 1, you could look at a player and knew exactly what that player has done to get the armor and weapons they are running. Bowing to the casual community has ruined D2. The world of Destiny was not meant for them.
Exactly I loved doing hard content in D1 and chasing stuff but noooo. Lets listen to ppl that dont have time to do this and that and shower them in loot.
So there were no armor ornaments in D1?
@@jant_ Raid gear had ornaments that you had to EARN in the raid.
Exactly this! When you saw someone with VOG / Crota armour, you know what they had done, then when you saw them with the hard mode armour and shader, you knew they were elite. The same with Trials Of Osiris gear. In Destiny 2 it feels like the gear / weapon sets are not unique because legendary gear and weapons can drop with higher stats and better rolls. The endgame is not worth it anymore :-(
Not everyone has the ability to play this game all day. You may been bored but it allowed me to get shards as I had very few. Stop assuming every does nothing but play this game
Datto must have god-tier RNG luck cuz I stood at the tower for fucking hours and never received a feeding frenzy multi-kill clip drop
Datto what do you want to see from the seasonal activity
Will devil's run, pinnacle/ritual weapons, and seasonal weapons be available to obtain after this season?
Yes, but I would pick them up before this season ends just in case bungie takes the ritual quests away from vendors. For Devils Ruin i would pick up that quest asap, because its quest is linked to the Sundial.
If you have the quests, then you can get them later
And this is why I always say Forsaken was the best expansion, and has the best season D2 has seen yet
It's because of the story and random rolls. That's it
It's too bad a lot of the overcompensating buffs it added became problems after the honeymoon period wore off and are still hurting the game now (the main one being that the perks available to random rolled world drops are too powerful, resulting in almost every raid weapon being just another gun).
I agree with most of that. I didn’t even bother donating to the god roll slot machine at the tower because the weapon quests were really quick, and I got the rolls I wanted before it appeared. I do feel sorry for Bungo though- it’s almost impossible to keep everyone happy: casual v hardcore gamer; pvp v pve player; experienced pro v blueberry content etc etc. I really don’t envy them.
Psion Tbagging at 1:40
I came late to Menagerie and found it boring (have only done it a handful of times). I played one heroic sundial and stopped there 😴(for the Savior seal).
Hoping they don’t bring a variation of it any time soon.
Thanks for the great recap Datto. Pretty much mirrors my thoughts and my I stopped playing after Shadow Keep. I miss the original game loop of do the base content to gear up, do the hard content to gear up more, do the really hard content to gear up even more...new content drops and it can't be completed without having already mastered previous hard content. In the quest for accessibility Bungie has rendered basically all seasons and loot pointless. As someone who loves the game I decided not to get the pass this year. I hope they return to a more progression style content system instead of this reset giveaway system.
Yeah I couldn't be bothered for the sundial after a few runs.
Hope that the Trials weapons are good and aren't just infusion material like every raid weapon in D2.
I'm not really a fan of the "Charged with Light" mods, they cost too much for me to consider using
I still haven't really gotten a ton of useful mods so i dont mind
The only mod i ended up using was Powerful friends for that easy +20 Mobility
i really want a modsystem more similar 2 warframes. u kno, make the stats actually do sumtin, where speccing into 1 single stat, results in the sacrifice of other vital stats.
@@casualsatanist5808 that would actually be really cool. Like, you could turn into a tank with tons of resilience but your mobility and restoration would go down
due to medical reasons i stopped playing around the start of december, haven't touched the game since then, debating if i'm gonna grind out the stuff this last week to get at least some things finished off before it fucks off, but my issue with loot specifically is the same as yours, i have countless 'god roll' worthy weapons/armour in the vault that i either never use, or only use for gunsmith bounties while in patrol areas because as you say there very little need to deviate from a couple of set loadouts and you will be fine in this game coupled with the fact that i think seasons aren't long enough for the type of game luke smith is trying to push people into believing it to be meaning that if they were made longer with a better quality of gameplay environment then i might be incentivised to actually bother with doing things and not just take breaks that i miss half the content for because ultimately it doesn't matter.
I love how influencers complain, bungie makes changes for the worse to address those concerns, and those same influencers complain again about the changes. Unsubbed. Tired of people like you ruining this game.
Same. FFS this season basically cost 10 cents a day...if you can't get that amount of value out of it then it's time to fuck off.
Imagine if you told him that you could have a ice-breaker izanagi cross breed legendary sniper from a RAID.
Remember back in opulence when you could get ~7 drops per ~25 minute menagerie run, before they "fixed" it? Thank god they learned from their mistakes, and let us get 7 drops per minute of standing afk in the tower. TBH, playing the game is the worst part of Destiny 2, so this season was really a step in the right direction.
“playing the game is the worst part”
why are you here, then?
@@erickschusterdeoliveira2662 It's called sarcasm. Datto talks about how much he misses getting good loot from end game activities like raids instead of just pressing a button at the tower, and you really couldn't pick up on the fact that this is a joke in response to that?
Endosymbiosis that’s a shit joke lol