Christian Mum Sues School For Pride Event | "Of course being gay is a choice"
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"Of course I believe it's a choice" is a sentence dripping with the privilege of someone who's never had a struggle with their sexuality or gender.
I'm not sure, sometimes i think it's the opposite. As someone who is straight, I don't think it's a choice because I know I am not attracted to women, even though I wouldn't mind it if I was. I often think that people who think it's a choice actually chose to ignore their own queerness because of religion or some other believes and therefore they think everyone else should choose to be straight
@@AlwaysFeatNever Exactly. I literally tried to be bisexual and sure enough...its not a choice. And...I wasn't having an identity crisis or anything like that. I was just curious more than anything.
@@AlwaysFeatNever I second this
@@Rhaenarys I tried that too and discovered that sexuality is a stupid word. I can have sex with men just fine for all kinds of reasons and I'm still not attracted to them, no matter how handsome, charming, or cute they are. I have a heteroromantic and -sexual attraction and my horniness is never triggered by men/a man and if for some reason I let a man touch me sexually, there's a fair chance I want to return the favour without having (felt) any attraction.
So I don't know, maybe I just misunderstood the meaning of the word sexuality for all my life, OR IT'S A STUPID FUCKING WORD. My sexuality and my attraction are NOT the same thing and when people talk about sexuality THEY MEAN ATTRACTION! What the fuck? If people mean attraction, THEN FUCKING SAY ATTRACTION!
It’s no more a choice than her ethnicity.
I had a super-creepy teacher in high school, but he did say one smart thing that stuck with me: Your freedom ends where someone else's begins. In other words, you can't use your own freedom to take it from other people. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't understand that.
Ooh! I've heard a good way to say this. "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose."
@@victoriat8922 Yes, exactly! That's a great way to phrase it!
Exactly. If you ever want to know how to treat people, just put yourself in their shoes.
Opposing trans/gay people is stupid because transphobes and homophobes themselves want the freedom to express their gender/sexuality. It's real simple, but people seem to still screw it up.
@@reins981 'perversion' and 'wickedness' are very vague terms that I wouldn't, personally, use to describe anything.
If you gave specific examples, we could discuss those. I wouldn't, however, just dismiss someone because I perceive them as "wicked" or "perverted" or even outright immoral; I'd, always, be open to hearing their side and treating them well, no matter how bad.
Too bad that all you have to do to get around that mantra is redesign society in such a way as to make it appear that you aren't directly harming someone else. Like, for example, a society like our own where one can hoard infinite sums of money, if they had 99.99% of the material and currency value in the entire world, they would be directly harming others...except, there are many people who are confused and would argue in defense of the infinite hoarder.
The biggest problem that I have with evangelical Christians is that they claim they are being oppressed if others are allowed to believe and think differently from them.
Well, most of the evangelical Christians are not really the smartest nor the most sane of the bunch.
Absolutely. They're so envious of being oppressed even though they don't know the first thing about being oppressed
@@claratalbot7613 a
and we disagree because they oppress others 😑
The biggest problem I have with all theistic religions is that they require and encourage people to accept things as true based on heuristics and fallacies. I don't really care which specific stupid thing is excused with stupid shit, I think that the intrinsic basis of heuristics and fallacies and the reliance on them leads to fractal wrongness, rejection and ridicule of actual knowledge, and inevitable harm and death.
There is no hate like christian "love".
perhaps that is why our biggest charities such as oxfam and the salvation army are or were founded by Christians. The best schools and hospitals across many third world countries were founded by christian charities. They have been the lifeline for many children. Modern Britain's answer today is to teach them all "lgbtq" love.
That is why we should open our borders and allow unrestricted immigration so that we can become Muslim majority. Then you will see what real love is all about!!
@@dlfitman865 In Pakistan, the best schools with the highest education standards are still those schools founded by christian organizations!!. many Christian girls there are forced into Muslim marriages, while parents have to stay silent for fear of being killed or imprisoned under the dreaded blasphemy law. And we call Britain a repressive society. But none of this matters because Christians are as important to the minds of the cancel culture as the Jews were in Nazi Germany!!. They are fair game from all sides whether Muslim or lgbtq
@@dlfitman865 dude. Irland's potato famine. Don't you remember that!??!!!
@@dlfitman865 Mentioning the salvation army isn't the power move you think it is when you look into how discriminatory they actually are about the people they take in.
Of course I choose to be discriminated everyday, anyone would do that ^^
That’s always my first thought too
I highly doubt you get discriminated everyday
@@kagemarushun7378pardon?
@@aquirkedupwhiteboy read it again
@@kagemarushun7378 I know what it says I literally wrote the comment
Basically, this summarizes as "I am a bigot, and I have the right to teach my child my bigoted view of the world! Do not dare teach my child your inclusive ways, you monsters!" and the court is entertaining this woman, which I find very appalling, tbh.
This is flip side of making the law accessible to all. Even the most insane or the most stupid people must be entertained in court. Now, I'm not saying to not make the law accessible to all, but that we should accept that sometimes the court might handle cases filed by people with a screw loose.
They have to allow cases like this because not allowing could stop valid cases of people being stopped from practising their religions. However, other parents at other schools have tried and never won because it is DfE and Ofsted policy to teach inclusivity. This has come up loads of times in different forms the courts decided that even religious school have to teach the DfE approved stuff. They can then teach the religious stuff and say their religion doesn’t believe in it but they have to teach both or they can be closed down.
The only thing that they might get in some trouble for is ‘forcing’ engagement but the plaintiff has the burden of proof. So she would have to prove that there was actual injury to her son, then that she objected and she was ignored. If she didn’t object or they gave her the option of removing the child for the day and she didn’t take it then she won’t get far. Either way the only potential punishment for the school would be to introduce a policy of asking parents first and allowing them to remove the cold for the day. She can’t get damages because she would have to prove diagnosed emotional distress to her son as the injured party caused directly by the event he took part in.
Either way the civil laws that she is trying to use are based around equality of ideologies. They are likely to put a senior judge on it due to the potential national impacts so they are unlikely to go against decades of precedent to say one child with a crazy mum takes precedence over the rest of the class. If nothing else it would be protected by the floodgate argument. If they allowed her to win then there would be a wave of cases from activists and parents supporting gay parents saying that they have been discriminated against by the school. They are more likely to say it’s not in the public interest and leave it be.
Conservatism in a nutshell
What gets me is that she should know how discrimination feels, and yet she’s perpetuating it against another group.
And in that case, she can pull her child out of that school and find a new one, or homeschool (a lot of Christian parents do).
If this woman thinks sexuality is a choice then she chooses to be heterosexual everyday. If she has to make such choice then I have news for her xd
I feel like so many of those radical people that see it as a choice are just so incredibly closeted, because for me it really never feels like something I have to or can actively choose
She was not born a Christian
What I am saying is that you are not born with any thinking feelings (like christianity that you told to think that why) but your sexuality is with you from work
Her skin color is no more a choice than my being gay.
@@orangeleprachaun4723 yeah exactly, closeted af
Religion: 100% Choice.
Being LGBT: Not a choice, it's a part of who you are.
If you are reading this you are valid and your existence isn’t political. Be safe
If your sexuality isn’t political, why did you create LGBTQIA?
@@binghamguevara6814 1) Somones sexuality doesn’t define their existence or their validity, and they should have access to basic human rights and equal treatment in society
2) Various civil rights group have arisen to combat dumbfucks that don’t recognize point 1, or to give people being oppressed by said dumbfucks a voice
It isn't political as a product of ordinary politics. It is political as in "there are assholes inside your political community who think your existence needs to be erased and people should treat you as not human". Fighting an evil political agenda is also something political by definition. Defending civil rights is a political act by definition.
@@RheubenRheuben Your two sentences are crazy contrdictions. The lgbtqia WANTS the law to define and protect their sexuality's existence and validity, and by doing this, GET political equal rights and human rights protect. In other words, point 1 is a political idea, not a human rights one.
@@binghamguevara6814, you do realize that anything having to do with rights or human rights is political, right? Our existence isn't political, but we do still deserve the same human rights as straight people.
My mother was the headmistress of a small independent primary school in London for 20 years. Once a year they would have a Multicultural Feast. Each child (often accompanied by a parent) would bring in some food traditional to their home country. A Chinese student might bring a rice dish, a Japanese student Sushimi, an Indian student a bowl of curry and some Naan bread, and so forth, enough for 10-20 portions to be shared out. Each pupil would be given three tickets with which to "purchase" some food of countries other than their own. It was a great way to introduce the students to different foods, that maybe they had never heard of before.
Your child may not like curry, may decide that they never want to eat curry, and nobody was forcing them to eat curry, but maybe, just maybe, they ought to at least know that curry exists in the world, and some people choose to eat it?
What a wonderful thing that your mother did, exposing children in her care to different types of food and in the process normalizing other peoples cultural uniqueness.
I remember similar events happening in my school as a kid. It was always interesting to get a chance to try new things, though being in California meant that there were a whole lot of very similar things, as we had a lot of Latino kids and a fair number of various Asian kids, but not a lot outside of that. That meant that lots of noodle dishes and things like tamales were usually a mainstay.
It was kinda depressing for me as an adult, when I spent a few years as a substitute teacher, to come into a middle school class where the teacher had prepared a lesson discussing culture from the perspective of food, and this classroom full of kids of a wide variety of ethnicities and backgrounds all stared at me blankly when I explained the assignment, and talked about how their parents only got take-away, or only cooked mac-and-cheese and hotdogs. It was almost painful to hear, how some of them had never even had a fancy dinner for a holiday gathering, as even asking about things like Christmas dinners and such just provoked more blank, confused staring.
This is so cool.
@@gluttonousmachina2961 I imagine if it were in a well-ventilated space, it might not be too terrifying. Then again, I have very few issues with fish-stink, so I might be an outlier. I mean, I eat Japanese horse mackerel, which is pungent enough that I'm forbidden from cooking or eating it indoors, so I'm possibly a little nose-blind to it.
Durian, on the other hand, terrifies me even via second-hand experience. Nothing expected to go in a person's mouth should be described as smelling anything like sweaty feet or rotten cheese.
Metaphor I assume
I'm from Canada here and was forced into a private Christian School from kindergarten to grade 11. Being sheltered so much like that, caused significant issues for me when I was finally allowed to go to the public school system and then university. The private school taught that everything outside of christianity was false and even forced a full term of bible classes to "prepare for entering the outside world".
I've been an Atheist now since grade 12 and openly bisexual since university. It took a lot of strength to do so as the rest of my family is hardcore conservative Christian. I make a decision each day to keep my atheism and sexuality a secret so I'm not disowned by everyone. This is the level of horrible crap a religious schooling can cause.
Christian schools, the number one creator of atheists. Happens even in the publically funded Catholic schools in Ontario.
yikes. my dad went to a catholic school and has never spoken with me about religion but he moved out of the house when he was sixteen. hmmm….
Same, but I didn't question things until I was a proper married Christian woman and completely miserable. Christian school prepares kids for a world that doesn't exist.
I’m soooooo glad my parents are old hippies. My mom would be THRILLED if I was gay (most of her best friends were gay men). And unlike a lot of boomers, they didn’t turn conservative. I feel for you. It must be awful to have to deal with family like that.
I feel that, I'm from Canada and my family is first testament Christian. I've been bisexual for as long as I can remember but they believe that LGBTQ people are made from sexual trauma.
A few years ago i was a bisexual christian. But i wasn't happy with my chosen lifestyle, so i became a bisexual atheist.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 I think you're smart enough to answer the first two questions. And to answer question 3: no, they are not choices. If you like/are interested in something it mor or less just happens.
Bonus answer: clearly no. They are newborn, dude.
My question: why ask all this? because you wanna strawman me?
@@blablah6958 Sure... strawmen. Anyways thanks for your input, even if it was done with a bad attitude and false opinions. Effort doesn't go unnoticed in my book. 🙏
@meperso Do you mean my original comment or the questions from goku?
@meperso They have been spamming the comment section under almost every comment. It's ridiculous.
"Even if I were gay, I would choose to be straight" is essentially what she said. Disproving her own point of gayness being a choice.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 I am not Emma Thorne, neither am I her fan, but I'll copy paste some answers from my google search, if unobtainable by google search I will answer simply.
1. Sexual orientation is an enduring pattern of romantic or sexual attraction to persons of the opposite sex or gender, the same sex or gender, or to both sexes or more than one gender.
2. Bi-curious is a term for a person, usually someone who is a heterosexual, who is curious or open about engaging in sexual activity with a person whose sex differs from that of their usual sexual partners.
3. Depends on if you like women or men.
Bonus Question: Once your baby becomes a toddler, encourage independence and a growing sense of self by giving them choices and things they can do on their own. A choice between two outfits, snacks, or afternoon activities allows your child to think for themself.
@@Poliostasis Thanks for your answers, but why is bi-curiousity "usually" for heterosexuals, what about homosexuals? Anyways thanks, much appreciated. 🙏
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Probably because straight people make up the majority
@@Poliostasis Well I'm a heterosexual and bi-curiousity is not something I ever gave any thought, not even for a second. Seems more like a homosexual type of thing to me, but maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm absolutely correct as they are amongst a group of people known as the lgbtq+ people. 🙏
Thank you for comparing teaching kids about LGBT people to teaching them about other religions. I think this is a perfect analogy and it speaks to how weird it is to discriminate based on queerness, when even very religious people are usually fine coexisting with other religions.
People say they're fine coexisting with other religions, but growing up Buddhist, it's all talk. The second someone DOESN'T believe in Christianity or another abrahamic religion, they're "othered." I had grown ass parents trying to convert me or see my buddhism as just a "weird quirky thing that needs to be corrected"
Agreed. I'm pagan & while I know some Christians & other religious people who are fine w/ me being pagan & bi I have run into others who are not. I've been told I'm going to hell or that I need to be saved or just need God in my life. It's like: oh no u have different beliefs then me I need to correct that by trying to shame u into converting because only my beliefs are correct. Like that want everyone to think like them not realizing how boring & even less advanced out society would be if we didn't have diversity. That computer, cell phone, tablet, ect u watch ur shows on wouldn't exist without brilliant thinkers who thought outside of the box
Idk have you asked an evangelical Christian about other religions?
@@aglitch3146 I have. While most had the standard response of it not being the right way or those people just need to be save some of them have told me that they may not agree w/ it but they're not going to tell other people how to live their lives. And one of them was going to school to become a Minister
@@Balletified It is. What I'm saying is that I had a Christian friend who said that while she doesn't agree w/ other religious beliefs she's not going to tell others how to live their life. To her if they want to follow a different religion or not be religious at all than that's that person's choice. Also she believed that if someone is apart of the LGBTQA+ community then that's who they are & she has no right to try to dictate their life. She was also the one going to school to be a Minister btw
"Teaching kids to be kind to one another is anti-Christian and politically motivated."
How does one respond to something like that?
hopefully, with a wise and 21st century court decision.
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” - Matthew 22:37-40
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. - 1 John 4:20-21
@@rolfs2165 Yeah, but the vast majority of Christians don’t know nor do they care what the Bible does or doesn’t say.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509
1. What does sexual preference mean?
That’s what you’re attracted to sexually. Usually male or female.
2. What does bi-curious mean?
It means, as far as I can tell, usually being attracted to someone of the opposite sex but curious about what it be like to be with someone of the same sex.
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
No.
People like that woman are the reason coming out is still so scary for many people.
Don't come out then. Don't put yourself in a box. It literally could be just a phase
sounds like something a straight person would say dan lee 🤨😒
@@imawakemymindisalive13 Dan over there thinks being LGBT+ is on the same level as going through a period of your life where you obsessed over side bangs or something
@@danlee7162 Well, then, lead by example. Put yourself in a box.
@@NamiNuitsuki It's true though. In many cases it IS just a phase
When my son was 4yrs old, his grandmother said "you will make some woman very happy" after I told her he was cleaning up the house with me. Before I could open my mouth, my son yelled "YOU CAN LOVE ANYONE YOU WANT! Some kids have 2 daddies and some kids have 2 mommies."
I was so proud of him. I always am.
That's wonderful!
this is the cutest thing I have ever read
He's right of course. Curious to hear what his grandma thought? My grandma has her prejudices of course, but she knows that a human is a human regardless of their religion and sexual orientation/identity. As long as it isn't an adult preying on children, she's okay with accepting everyone.
Your kid's being brainwashed
@@danlee7162 You were brainwashed by a preacher, a pastor, and a holy rollin' bastard.
It is an awful and frustrating story, but one I have seen this so many times, this feels like something from the 1980s.
Seriously. My first thought was, “What? In this day and age?”
well theirreligious indoctrination system has been running for centuries, Spanish inquisition, witch hunts ...
I am worried most about the '+' in LGBTQ+.
That Plus-Symbol and the possibility theres gonna be something included one day
that just doesnt belong, is big.
Like flat-earthers but not as ironic, i just made this example ironic to make a point clear.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@nenmaster5218 Yes, i know what you mean. I think that they should stop at Q. At the very least, like that it would mean that some other people who should never be considered good would try and enter it.
this woman needs to stop with the choice stuff... its people like her that made me not admit to who I truly am for the first 32 years of my life, I'm now 50 and have spent the last 18 years with my wife, the love of my life, I didn't make a choice to be bisexual, I just am bisexual, and yet the choice to be a certain religion is not wrong, the world is messed up
Thank you for this. I've been married for 32 years. I told my husband when I married him I am bisexual at the time. I am I always will be it doesn't magically happen that I stop finding women attractive too. Take it or leave it. Thankfully he took me and loves me just the way I am but just being TOLD my whole life you aren't doesn't make it go away. Otherwise I wouldn't have had to hide it from my church, and my friends, and my family, and literally everyone just because I "pass" as straight. I've recently decided to stop hiding. I'm me. It is what it is.
@@Fiona-68 my wife and I are both straight. I have heard others ask how someone could believe their bisexual partner would be faithful to them. That, of course, is ridiculous. Nobody goes around getting involved with whoever is of a sex they tend to find attractive, whether bi or not.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509
1. sexual preference is what you like doing in the bed
1.b. sexuality is the genders you do/don't like. these are not a choice.
2. in dumbed down terms, believing you may be bisexual but still exploring the idea (essentially open to relationships within the bisexual label but not fully sure it's what you are)
3. sexual preference is a choice, because it's how you like your fucking. being bi-curious in and of itself is a choice only because it's a feeling rather than a sexuality, but being bisexual is not.
4. no
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509
1) sexual preferences refers to characteristics that you may find attractive in a partner; eg. physique, hair style, eye colour, etc.
2) bicurious can be thought of as being heterosexual, but still curious about a relationship with the same or similar gender identity.
3) sexual preferences can change and evolve over time, but no; you cannot choose what you find sexually attractive.
Bonus answer: no, newborn babies can't make choices of any kind, they are entirely stimulus/instinctive response.
A quote I saw online which I love: "We don't want your straight kids to become gay, we want your gay kids to survive."
I don't think we can make it any clearer than that.
Just took a quick second to look up that No Outsiders school program. It is so innocent and loving, teaching kids to enmesh with those both similar and different from them. It's meant to stop radicalization and bullying. Absolutely absurd that this is such an issue
And yet I was still bullied for being autistic (I only left school just over a year ago).
Some people actually think that bullying is good for kids, to "toughen them up."
@@maxalberts2003 In what world would this possibly be true! I hope you are not one of them! GB :(
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 ...I'm very suspicious of you, but alright, I'll bite:
1. Sexual preference is literally the preference you are born with. Straight, Gay, Bi, Pan, Ace, the works. Sexual preference can also be even more specific, which would be your 'type', like a straight man being into blonde women, or a pansexual woman being into masculine women and so on. It's not a choice and it's not something you can control, because you can't help what features you are attracted to.
2. Bi-curious is a term applied to straight people who are curious about liking the same gender but aren't sure yet. Sexuality is fluid and it takes some time to figure out, you won't always know what makes you feel attracted to someone or if what you feel is even attraction, so bi-curious people are people who are willing to experiment with the same gender in order to figure it out. Being curious does not mean that these people are actually bi or gay unless explicitly said tho, as there are many people who go through this journey just to figure out they were straight all along.
3. As I've mentioned in 1, sexual preference is not a choice. Being bi-curious can be a choice, because it's your choice to experiment in order to figure out your sexuality, but what sexuality you believe you are at the end of it, whether it be straight, bi, pan or other, is not a choice.
4. No, newborn babies do not have the mental capacity to think critically, and therefore, make choices. Newborn babies act on survival instinct alone, and I wouldn't call instinct a choice.
I grew up hearing the kind of arguments that mother made, and would’ve done anything to have been in a school that taught even an ounce of that inclusivity.
Was it a Catholic school? I know that even in those schools that there is a war between traditional (Catholic) education and keeping things up to date and modern with ideology and opinions. Not sure where you are from or if the school you even attended was Catholic, but speaking as somebody who did receive a very thorough Catholic education, I can say that there is a lot of issues. The schools themselves are made up of a diverse body of people where acceptance for all is taught and practiced. Teachers are taught how to open up or carry on a discussion with a student that open up about their sexuality, but everything is hush hush unless the student opens up to a priest who might handle things differently depending on his ideology and beliefs. We did have a very amazing priest who accepted members of the LGBTQ+ community, and he would advise them what to do depending on their circumstances. If he felt that somebody was at risk, he'd get protection services involved (especially if it was a child), and he would tell them that God loved them because he made them, and it doesn't matter what their sexuality was.
Unfortunately, the priest died of COVID last year. I imagine that he left a gaping hole for many because he was one of a few Catholic priests that accepted people for who they were as people. His death actually caused a surge of Catholics to start attending virtual services at the United Church (Protestant). That's how my mum and I found out about his death because the papers didn't mention his passing until after the Church did its funeral services.
@@TiffWaffles, great question. Yes and no. I was raised extremely Catholic in the Bible Belt (Texas) and went to a tiny, very traditional Catholic university for my Bachelor's (one that Princeton Review recently ranked #1 in the USA for religiosity, even above Mormon-affiliated Brigham Young). For my pre-college education, though, I was homeschooled for fifteen long years, in a very tight bubble of hyper-Catholics and evangelical Protestants.
So in a way, my upbringing was kind of evangelical-adjacent as well as Catholic. (Evan-adjacent, if you will.)
Also, my hometown is a giant, diverse city, but my bubble within that city was so insular that I barely experienced any of it. In hindsight, I wonder if the city's diversity of culture, religion, political opinions, etc. might have played a role in making the adults in my life work even harder to insulate me and my peers from that diversity than they would have if we lived in a very rural area. (Case in point, we frequently drove long distances to the rural outskirts of town for some of our homeschool extracurriculars, which, of course, only included like-minded people who looked like us.)
What you mention about Catholic schools lines up with my experiences of Catholic education. My siblings and I attended Catholic primary school and daycare before we started homeschooling, and those kinds of culture wars happen frequently. It's the same with Catholic higher education. The fervor for ideological purity in those circles is so pure, in fact, that there's a whole society dedicated to finding and highlighting the most "authentic" (e.g., rigidly dogmatic) Catholic colleges in the USA. Larger and/or well-known Catholic schools like Notre Dame and Georgetown don't count in their eyes, because they're seen as too liberal or secular. It's the Cardinal Newman Society (newmansociety.org/college/).
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509, IMO:
1. Sexual preference broadly speaking refers to which gender(s) of people you tend to form romantic, sexual, emotional, etc. attraction to.
2. Bi-curious means that someone is experimenting with attractions to both their own gender and to other genders.
3. It's complicated, but I would argue that a lot of it is not a choice.
4/B. No, newborn babies cannot make choices for themselves, at least not initially.
@@didograce3531 Thank you for your honest opinion, I appreciate it... There has to be some factual objective answers though, right? That's what I'm also looking for. 🙏
I wonder when that woman "chose" to be straight? Did she come out as straight to her parents? Was her concern of being attacked and discriminated for her "choice" have any effect on her decision?
This is such total BS. Obviously it isn't a choice... unlike her choice to be a bigot, which is very much what she has decided that she wants to be.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
The funny part in all of this is that in the Bible and the Gospels, they aknowledge that being attracted to the same sex is not a choice, what they mean is that gay people should choose to never have sex because sex outside of reproduction is seen as a sin. And any kind of sexual activities outside of reproduction. But this goes for all religions. So she is completely wrong in how she interprets her own faith.
@@chiaraimpeduglia1308 Too many religious people interpret their faith how it fits their narative. If it's about their lifestyle, it's "their way of interpreting their faith", if it's about something other people do they don't like, suddenly they break out all the rules that might be stated in their religion and want to force it upon others.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509lame and pathetic
i’m confused… is the mother tryna come out on Good Morning Britain or is she really THAT unaware? 🤦🏽♀️ “yes it’s a choice, i chose to do the right thing & be heterosexual” 💀 😂
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509what is your point ? sexual prefernce means what you prefer ... it in no way implies choice ... "i like this" ... bicurious is kindve a dated term that views things in terms of black and white and yes and no ... seeing as sexuality is a spectrum .... to answer you its someone trying to figure out where they fall on the spectrum ... and point 3 ? ... what does that evwn mean or have to do with anything ? if being gay is a choice ... choose to be gay for a month
How do these Christians forget how inclusive Jesus was?
What do you mean? Please elaborate?
@@christopherhandy “ate with sinners”. He “washed the feet” of people, which commonly meant back then as sex and he didn’t care who’s feet he washed. He also gave free food to anyone no matter the person so he’s pretty much a damn socialist. He was the opposite of what evangelical Christians are. I don’t believe in the Bible but he’s the best character in the Bible.
@@amatanata i see what you are saying, but let's not forget the disciples where under Jesus teaching and the Spirit of the Lord rest upon those men.
In saying that, there are numerous verses in which the disciples wrote forbidding homosexual relationships.
@@christopherhandy Jesus was Jesus. Paul was Paul. Men can make mistakes. According to the Bible, Jesus can’t.
@@amatanata Does that mean he was okay with sin? Does that mean he would be okay with teaching kids it's okay to sin?
Like the mother isn't indoctrinating her kid with Christianity.
perpetuating the lie it is real, but the truth is "god" is just an imaginary friend that never helps.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 1: Pretty much a nonsense word used by people who believe any deviation from heterosexuality is an intentional choice. It’s kinda supposed to be the equivalent of sexual orientation. Sexual preference still has some use as a word, it basically means one likes partners to have certain characteristics such as certain height, weight, hair color etc.
2: People who feel attraction towards multiple genders but are unsure if the attraction is fully sexual/romantic. Basically being unsure about being gay, straight or bisexual.
3: If you are equating sexual preference with sexual orientation, no, not a choice. Bicurious isn’t a choice either, but choosing to explore your sexuality to determine what your orientation is a choice.
Bonus: No, they lack self awareness and actual freedom.
@@mikhel4048 Whoa buddy that's a bold first statement... I do appreciate your answers, although I can't choose to be homosexual or bi-sexual if I'm heterosexual? I have to be sexually orientated and shouldn't have a preferred sexuality? So I have to explore my sexuality to be sexually orientated? Lastly, the term sexual preference is a nonsense word, but is also suppose to be the equivalent of the term sexual orientation? Is that correct?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 There is no such thing as sexual preference. It’s an antiquated term that is not used anymore. The current term for what you are referring to is sexual orientation. Sexuality cannot change or be chosen, a heterosexual cannot choose to become bisexual, bisexuals cannot choose to become gay, gays cannot choose to be straight, etc. Since sexuality is not able to be changed, calling it a sexual preference is inaccurate because sexual preference implies choosing your sexuality which is why sexual preference is a nonsense word, because it is contradictory.
Exploring your sexuality is required for some people to fully establish their orientation. A girl can grow up all her life only attracted to men and never have to explore her sexuality and is fully confident she is heterosexual. Other people can grow up being unsure and vaguely attracted to men and women and may choose to explore their sexuality to determine how their attractions relate to their sexual orientation. Basically some bicurious people are not sure what their sexuality is and may explore to figure out if they are gay, straight, or bi.
If being gay was a choice, I can assure everyone that noone would choose to do so, especially people in African, Middle Eastern and Eastern European countries
Yes. Even tough in some part of Africa things are slowly changing for the better, the rest of what you have said stands true.
@@chiaraimpeduglia1308 Everything they said is the 110% truth.
I feel bad for the child of that mother.
I never heard of 2 Spirits,
but whatever, that's not what i meant to say.
I wanna say: I am worried most about the '+' in LGBTQ+.
That Plus-Symbol and the possibility theres gonna be something included one day
that just doesnt belong, is big.
I feel bad for her child.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509eat a phallus
What she’s doing is bothering me so much because it takes away this experience from everyone else because the school will never do it again to avoid getting sued again. And you’re 100% right, it’s just spreading hate, and it’s so so bad…
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
"Maybe we should just be nice to everyone."
"You're taking away my religious freedom!"
Considering the particular topic, you wouldn't expect someone like that to be particularly bright... Still, she did say something rather revealing, assuming that was what she meant.
'Even if I were gay, I've made a choice.'
So... you're saying you could be born that way... and you've made a choice contrary to the body and brain your god gave you to deny it...
yeah, religious freedom seems to equal spreading hate at this point.
Which is wild. Apparently the whole love your neighbor and treat others as you want to be treated, the main rule the Christ they follow gave them, is out of the window when your neighbor is gay.
Tolerance isn't the same ad acceptance
That's sad.
They see everything as being about sex, when the event the school would of done was never about sex. Christians just insert (yes) sex into everything its mad.
The woman really needs to understand that a person’s sexual orientation is no more a choice than her skin color.
Like i am asexual with romantic attraction, i would give anything to have sexual attraction, it would make my love life so much easier. I can only imagine people attracted to same gender wish sometimes they were straight because their lifes would be easier in many ways. Of course , the main deal is to fight for acceptance, normalization, visibility and inclusion. But i am sure everyone who doesn't fit the " default" , sometimes wish they did just because of how much easier their lives would be ( and this applies not just to sexuality, but to a lot more of things). This lady is crazy thinking people would ever choose to be something that makes living their life a lot more difficult and even dangerous.
Well, at least leftists can't call THIS ONE "white" for a change.
@@coleslaw9181 huh?
@@coleslaw9181 lol white
@@cakeperson8370 ANYONE should know damn well what I mean.
I'm to the point where extreme christianity should be considered child abuse. Hands down. Growing up in a christian school did not do me any favors. It only caused me a lot of problems that I'm still sorting out in adulthood.
And honestly, who the hell thinks it's a good idea to threaten children with a fire pit if they mess up? It's fucked. People like this woman are so far out of reality it's scary.
I agree wholeheartedly, having grown up in an extremist christian household
I wonder if all Christianity is extreme. I always thought my parents were mild Christians, but I also grew up with talks like "if you die tonight..." and was taken to watch John Bunyan's "Pilgrim's Progress" and trauma about that for years. Now I feel it is unsafe to allow my daughter to stay overnight anymore. She had nightmares and was terrified of God coming to kill her at night. I'm sure there are more extreme stories out there but I feel like extreme is the baseline.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@GTMarley Hate to break it to you, but your parents sound extreme. If they're giving your child nightmares whenever she stays at their house, then something is remarkably wrong. I would not recommend your daughter being in their house without the supervision of you or another adult who is capable of keeping her safe. Even then, be careful.
My parents aren’t Christians, but as someone whose parents threatened to, and actually attempted to, abandon me when I was 12 bc I didn’t want to pray, I wholeheartedly agree.
"Don't indoctrinate kids! That's OUR job!" - Every conservative Christian ever.
Loosely christian mom who is very proud of her atheist 12 year old. I have had to come to terms with (so much) toxic religious dogma from my childhood. I am raising the kindest most caring child, who has decided they simply don't believe because there's no evidence.. and it sure doesn't stop them from being a good person. My kid coming home with a simple question about some different identity they learned about in school is so much better than the alternative of some one else's child feeling alienated because they don't see any representation of themselves.. just.. so frustrating because the hateful rhetoric is the antithesis of the actual scripture... *Devolves into incoherent angry noises*
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 I know these questions are not directed at me but if you struggle to understand these concepts (no offense intended), I would gladly help and give you my thoughts on these.
1. I believe sexual preference refers to the gender(s) to which you are attracted to, I believe that the term preference can be somewhat confusing but I would explain it as it referring to the gender of the person with whom you would prefer to have a sexual intercourse if given the option (this does not mean that you can't fancy the other gender, it just refers to your preference if there's one).
2. Bi-curious for me is what someone calls themselves when wanting to explore their sexuality with persons of the gender they had up until that point not considered as potential sexual partners. For example, a woman who had always been in heterosexual relationships and thought of herself as being straight but wanted to explore her sexuality with other women for any reason may consider herself to be bi-curious, this does not mean that she is bisexual but she is willing to explore her sexuality to know if this is something that she likes. The same of course applies the other way (though I don't think it is as common) a gay man can one day explore his sexuality with a woman and thus refer to himself as being bi-curious.
3. This is a difficult question as it is more about how one feels than what one wants. Regarding sexual preference, I don't believe it to be a choice for the simple fact that a preference is a subjective thing. I did not choose to prefer chocolate over vanila ice cream the same way that my sexual preference is something that just made itself obvious as I grew up and experienced different things. What would be a choice in this case would rather be the person whom you choose to have a relationship with (and even that is debatable). As for the question of bi-curiousity, I think it depends on how you look at things.
I believe that for bi-curiosity to be a thing, one has to experience some kind of attraction to the person with whom they want to explore their sexuality, whether it be physical attraction or a more spiritual type of attraction (as in great sense of friendship, complicity, ect.) so in that sense I truly don't think it's a choice as attraction is out of our control. Where the choice would come in in my opinion is in the act of actively exploring one's sexuality with the person whom one feels attracted to. And even then, does it being a choice matter in any way? for an heterosexual person, feeling attracted to the other gender is not a choice but pursuing a sexual relationship with a person of the other gender is a choice as much as eating is a choice when one feels hungry, the notion of choice in this case really doesn't hold up. This is why I don't understand the relevance of the question so do enlighten me if I'm missuderstanding anything.
Bonus question: I think newborn babies can make choices for themselves but I wouldn't know how to distinguish between a choice they made deliberatly and an "inconscious action". Is a baby crying making the choice to cry to communicate something? Are their gestures voluntary and if yes it a choice? Is a baby trying to immitate speech a choice on their part to try and do what their parents do? I think just asking if newborn babies can make choices doesn't achieve anything really, I think what can be considered a choice in general is really subjective and greatly depends on the context. I think it's similar to asking if the fight or flight response is a choice, do you choose to fight or flee? Is every decision you make really an absolute choice on your part or are there things influencing said "choice" and if there are, is your choice really a choice?
I'm hoping that this was useful to you and if you disagree do let me know, it's always interesting to see other people's point of view.
@@turbine2073 I agree on all points except the fact that preferences actually are choices. Anyways thanks for your very informative answers, it's much appreciated. 🙏
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 have you tried choosing to be gay?
@@wabbajack2 Of course not, but that doesn't change the fact that preferences are choices and being gay is a choice.
As someone who identifies as lgbtq+, and the parent of two of three kids who do too, it makes me sick that this level of ignorance still exists. I was raised in a fundamental religion, and my kids and I are shunned because we live authentically. I honestly wish governments would stand up more to protect people from these people who claim "religious persecution", when they spew such hatred under the guise of " love".
I really enjoy your content!
I was raised in a very conservative Christian home. I literally tried for years to be straight, with great mental detriment to myself. Turns out you can’t just decide to be straight.
This 💯
I'm 6 seconds in.
Let's say being gay was a choice. Where's the problem?
Edit: 3:30 Yeah, that's the projection.
Edit 2: I actually did youth work in Birmingham some years back (before Brexit and Trump), and it is full on infuriating to think that all the work we did could be slowly undone by these hyper fanatical bigots. The amount of validity they have been given in the last five years is disgusting.
Hey everyone, there is a disabeled black woman in my home state of Illinois that was falsely arrested, sexualy assaulted by police at gun point and was charged false charges of assault, she lost custody of her children and is facing 5-7 years in prison, there is a petition for charges to be dropped and it needs as much support as possible, I can't post links but her name is Ariel Harrison please please look into it and help her. SPEAD THIS
What the hell does Trump have to do with anything you were doing? Unless you meant Birmingham Alabama, but I don't think you did.
Exactly. Being straight, gay or bi, none of these options are immoral so why would it matter if it was a choice or not.
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 1) a sexual preference would be like any other preference you may have, except, sexual in nature.
2) You like or are interested in more than one thing.
3) No, not really. They aren't active choices you make.
Bonus: Not in the same way a teenager or adult can. They are underdeveloped and have limited understanding of the world, so parents make choices for them. Though as they grow to toddlers, then children, then teenagers, then adults, they are given chances to experience the world and discover what it is they like, and make choices based on their preferences.
"Being gay is a choice"
"If (not) being gay is a choice for you, that means you're bi. Welcome to the LGBT community!"
@@aneleastray5472 If only there were some generic term for being attracted to more than one gender...
@@blueredingreen it’s on the tip of my tounge. B….I…. Maybe even P…A… nah can’t think of anything.
@@ringer1324 😂😂😂
That would be the best outcome. At worse, they are gay but convinced themselves they are not. It also explains these people's anger and their need to be right. Actually kinda sad when you think about it.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
As an ex-primary school teacher, I find this appalling. Schools and teachers take enough of a beating in the media by just trying to exist and manage the requirements of the job without nonsense like this. She’s clearly not engaged with any information about the curriculum in the school and what teachers have to ensure are covered within the activities within the school. I’ve worked in different schools including a Catholic school all of which taught inclusivity and tolerance which falls under different areas of the curriculum and not just religious education. This is more likely to fall under PSHE and citizenship or SRE (sex and relationship education). Policies and curriculum are available for all schools (it’s a government requirement to be able to access them) so I think the issue here is she hasn’t bothered to pay any attention to the information available ahead of time. Usually a quick chat about these things in advance can solve a whole lot of issues. I feel sorry for her child and can’t believe that she calls herself a Christian if she can’t demonstrate basic Christian values. This whole things has just made me really angry as teachers try so hard to give these topics the time they deserve
Hey an ex-teacher. I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
Homeschooling is increasing slightly
I always love The Clicks argument that if it were simple enough for exposure to a single Pride type event to be sufficient to 'turn' somebody homosexual, couldn't you just then expose them to something heterosexual afterwards to counter the effect 😆
We live in such a ridiculous world. Just let people be people and celebrate that difference and diversity enrich us all.
Apparently I chose to be bi when I was 8. Pretty big decision for an 8 year old.. 🤷🏽♀️
yeah, i chose to be bi when i was fourteen, and chose to be scared of one of my friends realizing i was crushing on them, and scared of my religious friends being homophobic, and scared of what my parents would say. definitely was my choice. seriously, how can people be so stupid to think it’s a choice?!?!?!
@@imawakemymindisalive13 one word. ignorance.
btw, hope you're doing better now.
@@michellestella7477 thank you and unfortunately it was fairly recently but I am gaining confidence!
Bi at 8? You either lying or you were being groomed.
@@wendyjohnson4345 that's not how that works. I didn't have se×ual thoughts or anything. About boys or girls. I was just aware that I felt the same about boys and girls. Like an 8 y/o might have a "crush" on another child. How about next time you ask instead of making disgusting accusations?! Are all Wendy's this messy?!
My favourite part of the "being gay is a choice" stance is the implication that they just haven't heard a good enough argument to turn them yet.
It grinds my gears that this stuff is still happening. That people like this still exist, and are taken seriously.
It also grinds my gears that male abuse victims aren't taken seriously ( just venting).
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
the stupidity is spreading like a virus[spongebob meme]
Teacher: Little Johnny is proud to be different because he uses a wheelchair! Great job, Johnny!
Karen: YOU'RE INDOCTRINATING MY CHILD INTO BELIEVING IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO BE DISABLED!!!!! 😡😡😡
Karen: I want to speak to the principal.
Forgive me if I'm late people... Anyways I have three questions for Emma Thorne and her fans:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 hello, bot. If you really want answers to the questions stated, please stop replying to other people's comments and ask a new comment just for yourself.
@@Django45 Nah I like my questions, so I'll just leave it as is.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 I dont care if you are married to them, you will get much better responses if you post them as a separate comment instead of spamming every other comment thread that is unrelated to your query.
so i've been 100% straight all my life. i still find myself being attracted to many different types of women, even far from "conventional beauty" standards. i think thats reason enough to believe that others are simply "wired" to be physically attracted to anyone regardless of social norms, across the entire spectrum of humanity. i wholeheartedly believe NOBODY has a choice in who they end up being attracted to.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
How dare the schools teach my children that all people deserve respect and can be proud of who they are.
How dare they
The funny thing is that religion tends to say they love all people, but then they decide who are "the good people".
The not particularly LGBT+ event celebrating:
"We're all different, we're all proud, let's have a fun day...."
Well there's 3 things conservative Christians hate, right there.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
Yep extremists want everyone to fall in line and become their slaves and take over the world like some Saturday morning cartoon villains I mean the 7 mountains religion seriously have a plan to take over the world like a cartoon villain
@laikapupkino1767 haha, touché.
The school I went to was C of E and we had a Jewish boy in my class and when it came to the time when they celebrated Passover he helped us put a Passover feast on. His mum brought food in for us all to try and in our RE lesson he explained it all to us.
We also had a Hindu boy who explained Diwali to us. It was these experiences which made me really interested in religion, how they are different and how they are similar ❤️
We have this as a huge problem in the US and it drives me insane.. If this was happening in the US it wouldn't suprise me at all to see the courts side with this woman... just a sad state of things honestly. I hope your country does better!
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Stop spamming the comment section.
Being Christian is a choice
I once believed that being gay was a choice. Then, someone asked me when I decided to like women. It was a simple but profound question. It was probably one of the first cracks in my beliefs that lead me away from christianity.
Theres plenty of LGBT Christians! That shouldnt have stopped you being a christian!
Lgbt ideology plus other things is neo Bolshevism
"Christian Concerned" should be your Girl Defined parody.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 I feel like this is a trap to start an argument and I simply don't have the mental energy to do that today. The internet is a very exhausting place these days.
@@VampiraVonGhoulscout Do what you gotta do... or not do. I understand. 🙏
Oh, this is about No Outsiders? I would love for that to come to the US. Sounds like an amazing program.
Although if you thought it was received poorly there...
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
My Catholic zealot dad parrots that shit about "you can't help how you feel but you can help to repress it and CHOOSE a cishet lifestyle" and it drives me bonkers. The way that people roll over and allow these Christian groups to throw their tantrums and get their way is disgusting. Jesus never taught hate.
So the proven with "religious freedom" comes down to this
1) they don't want anything to stop or punish them from voicing their world view, particularly in any form of public speech.
2) they don't want anybody to be able to voice any opinion that is (or even looks like it is) contrary to their opinion.
3) the end result would be that children - all children, not just theirs - would hear their viewpoint as the only possible viewpoint.
Casr in point. She wants the school to not discuss anything about LGBTQ+, but she speaks about it as publicly as possible
This kind of poop is happening here in Hungary too. But instead of a civilian complaining, we have a government making a homophobe law. They say though it's not and they want only to defend the rights of parents to teach their children about sexuality and protect children from sexual predators.
It is just so depressing.
I just hope that her kids doesn't grow up and realize that they are lgbt in any way cause that would be trauma waiting to happen. To be a little bit optimistic though, even if she and others like her has been elevated to a sort of public figure and being allowed to be on TV etc. Channels like yours give a wonderful counterpoint and clearly displays an opposition to those kinds of bigots. Keep up the good work!
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
Religious freedom means that you have the right to practice your religion, and other people have the right to theirs. If your "religious freedom" inherently does not allow for other people's religious freedom, then that's not religious freedom.
not just others' "religious freedom", but freedom in general; and honestly, I think that religion has WAY TO MUCH freedom, if anything! What with how religious people are able to use "muh religious freedom!" to excuse doing disgusting bigoted bullshit like that lady did!
Every time I see a black person speak against equality I’m like “do you not understand history?”
That's irony in fact
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
She basically not only wants the freedom to judge and harass LGBT folks, but also the authority to make others do the same.
I'm with you on this one. If her "beliefs" don't allow her child to even associate with lgbt people at a normal level, she needs to explore other educational options.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
And what if it was a choice? I love how these people hate freedom.
Pale short haired feminists for the win!!
"I believe its a choice"
Okay, for the sake of argument, lets say just for second you're correct: So what? Why do you get control of others free will?
Your argument still falls apart, lady
Yeah, I feel like making it all about whether sexuality is a choice, whether it's "natural", etc. kind of ignores the fact that people are (and should be) allowed to make choices
They don't only enforce themselves to be following their own rules, but they want EVERYBODY to follow their rules. And then even call it "a choice". Who's choice ?
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@confessionsofafangirl5518 Thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it. 🙏
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 why are you so obsessed with these definitions?
"it's a mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
I swear all of these so called "Christians" are just a bunch of drama queens (and not in a good way ). They're always trying to stir shit up like this. And I can't take any of them seriously anymore.
Not all Christians are real Christians and that's something that many people don't understand not all of us are the same people that's like saying One race do that whole white people it's the same with those black people are the same and makes no sense to judge all of us just because of this one incident and that's why I don't like Alice Channel because she doesn't really see the big picture. Not all Christians are like those Christians are called to love everyone including the lgbtq community and I'm sorry that this mom took a while but maybe it's because in the Bible God does not really stand for the same-sex marriages but we are still supposed to love everyone however this mom does not want her child into the lgbtq community because she knows that's not what her child is supposed to be doing if they are Christians are are gay Christians but they're not really supposed to be to bring golden and into that stuff for God himself said woman are to be good to their HUSBANDS and Husband's are to honor their Wives
Christianity teaches you to be a martyr and to view any "attack" on you as martyrdom for your religion. Christ himself was a martyr. This is why they stir sh*t up.
@@beanieboostv938 You're committing a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. "Oh, those Christians over there saying hateful stuff? They're not REAL Christians, obviously." And if you ask them, they'd say you're the fake Christian, if are so aligned.
Also, you really need to learn about punctuation, it's VERY difficult to decipher what you wrote.
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
They aren’t they have a right to oppose indoctrination. Majority aren’t violent
If I could choose to be straight, I still wouldn't. ❤️🏳️🌈
Whaaaaaaat? This hurt my ears . I'm a mum to 2 son's and we are atheist and I am bisexual. A woman I know for year's has a son the same age as my son and they play together. Recently my son came home very upset and told me that that friend isn't allowed to be friends with any "gay" people as its against his Catholic religion. I thought wow his mum has been friends with me for years (not close friends) and I wondered if she knew my sexuality would I suddenly lose value as a human in her eyes 😳
That is so sad! I'm so sorry for your son ):
@@EmmaThorneVideos thanks so much 😊🙏
"Of course it's a choice"
So you could choose to be gay right now?
Always shuts them up.
Exactly, anyone can try and fail to consciously change who they are attracted to, and despite that, there are still too many people making this claim.
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@nicolasandre9886 Plus, there is a particular that these so called Christian forget: The choice part refers to the fact that gay people should choose to never have sex, not pretend to be what they are not. Sex outside of reproduction is considered a sin, non matter if you are straight or not. Some people decided that this meant that simply being homosexual was enough to condemn you to prison or death. Even if it should not, because even in the texts they do not say that you should kill gays for being themselves, only to stop them if they commit sexual acts.
Listening to a guest evangelical speaker at Sunday school when I was about 10 years old (over 50 years ago), made me an atheist. It was at that moment as he kept repeating "let Jesus into your heart!) whilst clutching a bible against his chest, that I thought "this just doesn't make sense". I assumed then that most adults didn't really believe but said they did out of some sort of peer pressure not to be different, I think in Britain that was largely true.
There are good teachings within the doctrine of Christianity, like forgiveness and tolerance. Unfortunately though, these are the things that most Christians find difficult to practice. There doesn't even seem to be any push within Christianity to teach forgiveness and tolerance as important qualities to stand by in life. More often Christianity like other religions is used to support hate and to justify violence and war.
As for the bible, it's a book written by MEN, hundreds of years after the supposed events it describes (its timeline doesn't really match reality), it is essentially a book of traditional folk stories from which there are some good morals (and some pretty bad stuff). However it has been translated & revised many times and some things have lost there meaning completely. As for the lines about "men lying down with men" and other references to gay sex, (the word homosexual is quoted as being in 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10, I do not believe the word even existed back then although I do believe LGBTQ+ people have existed as long as modern humans, about 250,000 years!) one hypothesis is that originally these lines refered to minors, the bible was saying to men don't have sex with young boys, having sex with very young girls was pretty much the norm back then for Christian men anyway, some of the ages of biblical wives were very young.
Using Christianity to hate gays is really reaching, this particular school activity seems like it would have been conducive to inclusivity, to tolerance and non hateful behaviour towards those that are different. People like this woman reminds me that even in this country - one of the most progressive - we still have a long way to go, yes when I was born homosexuality was illegal and didn't become legal until 1969. We have moved forward but it is still a fragile state of affairs that haters try to exploit for political and religious points, progress is happening but it is very slow and as happened in other countries, things can go in to reverse if we are not careful. That is why cases like this are important, if this woman was to win, it would be a real blow against LGBTQ+ rights.
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I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
As a teacher's assistant who is working towards becoming a teacher I can confirm we are supposed to impartial. Our primary job is to help kids learn how to use critical thinking to make chooses for themselves. Yes we teach them math, science, english, ect but it's actually about using those lessons to teach kids how to become independent thinkers & make their own choses based on the information presented to them & to be proud of who they are & celebrate individuality
Ah a teacher assistant. I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
Independent thinkers i like it
When they say "religious freedom", they mean the opposite of religious freedom....
They have their religious freedom and that overrides anyone else's human rights, and as such we don't get any human decency. 🤷♂️ They can ramble about their God in my face but i can't be gay in peace, bc that infringes on their religious freedom
They are literally allowed to actually go and protest being LGBT+ inclusive with signs and shit and the next moment they say they're oppressed and have no freedom. Religious people like her are some of the most privileged in terms of rights, they can do most anything BESIDES murder LGBT+ people and deny them access to education/public places and that makes them upset, that they can't legally take their rights away.
It's even worse ... Other people can't be what they want to be, but they can prevent people from being what they want to be. That's not "freedom", that's just total oppression of other groups.
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@oliverhug3 No.
This just makes me sad. Kids are so pure and innocent, we should be teaching acceptance not division (maths apart). I think her children will grow up to resent her.
There's a meme that sums up Christianity nicely: "MY religion says YOU can't do that". That's how they want the world to be. This is real harm.
When I was a middle-school teacher, I was single (but not gay). When I would deflect questions about my personal life, some of these kids would basically try to label me as gay! That's why it's naive to think teachers can always just avoid sex/gender issues when dealing with curious (and sometimes homo-phobic) kids. And that's why it's stupid to think there are all these teachers out there who are just dying to discuss sex/gender issues with students or promote their "lifestyle".
As my straight female friend once said "If sexuality was a choice I'd date women because every man I've dated has burned me but I still see men that I'm INSTANTLY attracted to and I'm never tempted by any woman sexually."
There are people who use their faith as a shield to protect themselves and those who use it as a hammer to wield it against others. This woman is an example of the hammer.
Douglas Murray who is of orientation, dosent back the idea of forcing children in pride parade
The solution is simple. If you want your children to be taught bigotry, pay for that privilege by sending them to a christian school like my parents did to me. We were even taught to be bigots against the poor, as they didn't have money to give to the chur- er, I mean, God, yeah, that's it.
How could someone choose to be attracted to someone that they arent?
It's very aggravating to see people throw around "religious freedom" as a term to justify their own goals of forcing their beliefs on everyone else. It does not matter if part of your religion requires you to spread it to other people, religious freedom does not only apply to Christianity. Religious freedom is the right for you to believe what you want, spread it to anyone you want to, but also the right for anyone else to say no. Religious freedom does not give you the right to cut off the exposure of anyone around you to anything your religion disagrees with. Religious freedom is the right to practice your religion without persecution or discrimination. It is not the right to make everyone around you accommodate you and your beliefs. It is not a violation of your right to practice religion to teach children that people are different and that's ok. It is not a violation of your religious freedom to talk about something that you don't like in your presence.
The thing that makes me the most upset are the people who try to use religious freedom as a way to shut down anyone who disagrees with them and at the same time try to claim oppression and say that they're being silenced for your beliefs. It is not oppression to disagree with you on who should be included. It is not oppression to teach children in a way that allows them to decide what they believe for themselves. I hear alot of homophobic/transphobic Christians complaining about "well we're not even allowed to be christian anymore" when that is not an oppression that is yours to claim. You are allowed to be christian, and no one wants to stop you. What is oppression, however, is when christians try to force LGBT people out of the public eye, remove their rights, and dehumanize them to force them out of existence, and while you are allowed to believe those things and speak about them if you want to be shitty, it is not your right to dehumanize others and remove their rights to believe what they want.
i love that they always use "indoctrinating children" like indoctrinating is a terrible world - like congratulations, you almost got the point
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
Exactly what you said. If she doesn't want to be part of a compassionate community and future she should put her child elsewhere. This kind of thinking is of the past. Or should be. I really thought we were beyond this kind of thing.
Damn all that tolerance happening! And it's being tolerated! Why is my intolerance not being tolerated?!
'Protecting religious freedoms' ignores the fact that religion is a choice, and choices come with consequences - not special bonus freedoms.
So essentially- “How dare you indoctrinate my child - that’s MY job!”
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 1. Whatever physical gender you happen to be sexually attracted to.
2. Thinking you might be attracted to both physical genders, but you haven’t done anything about it to find out if your actually enjoy it.
3. They aren’t choices, they’re a consequence of how your brain naturally is, like anything that turns you on. (Think feet, BDSM, any sort of fetish or kink - you don’t have a choice in them). What IS a choice is whether you act on them or not.
Bonus: of course not, don’t be absurd.
@@Penfold101 I appreciate your answers, although since your original comment is about indoctrinating children... well then, as an example:
Pedophiles don't choose their sexual attraction to prepubescent children because of the consequences of how their brains are? Also pedophilia is ok as long as it's not acted upon? Is that correct?... Is pedophilia a fetish, a kink, or a mental illness? Can pedophiles have other sexual preferences besides children, or are they unable to choose? I'd like to know your thoughts on this. Also there's no need to call anyone absurd or anything of that nature, that's unnecessary and can be considered an insult. No worries here though, just letting you know.
I tried not being trans....and failed miserably. Now here I am transitioning in midlife. I'll never make the jump to men as many trans girls do. But it's fine. On the other hand, people like me were locked up for being trans when I was a child in 1972!
Okay but transitioning is a choice. Being gay, lesbian or bisexual is not. So, you must have felt pressured not to choose to transition.
I hope she loses the lawsuit
These kind of things is why I begin to think that religious freedom shouldn't be a right anymore.
I have so many feelings about this, but nothing to add to the conversation that you or others haven't already said. But thank you for covering this.
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That was so cool.
I have three questions for you all:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
It’s extra frustrating since she’s also part of a marginalised group (being a POC) and yet has such awful, bigoted opinions. It’s so hypocritical and nonsensical!
As Midwestern American I completely relate. Godspeed
I know from my own personal experience back in primary school that being different is a crime in the school playground punishable by bullying, teasing and ridicule and sometimes death.
Oh the irony of those who decry identity politics, while themselves, engaging in identity politics. "How dare a school teach the political message of LGBTQIA being a valid identity, instead of just my Cis-Het-Christian identity being valid!"
I have three questions for you:
1. What does sexual preference mean?
2. What does bi-curious mean?
3. Are sexual preferences and bi-curiousity choices?
Bonus Question: Can newborn babies make choices for themselves?
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 are you asking from a genuine curiosity and not knowing?
@@KellyDVance No, I have my own answers and I'm collecting data for future references and other reasons. You don't have to answer if you don't want to as these questions are for the prideful. 🙏
You gotta love how when these people hear about how schools are teaching kids that trans and gay people exist the first thing that comes to their minds is "sex"
if that's where your head goes, I think you have bigger problems than what they're teaching your kids
If sexual orientation was a choice I'd be bisexual and I'd bet that I'm not the only one.
It's a false dichotomy to ask whether you are born into your sexuality or if it's a "choice." Who we are is largely neither.
As a committed Christian...I could not agree with you more. You’ve earned a subscribe.
10:50, In their worldview they are protecting people from hell by stopping inclusivity, because if being gay is a choice (as she said it was), then saying 'it's okay to be gay' may lead to more people making the choice to be gay, and being condemned to hell.
Her worldview is BS of course (in my opinion), but here she is being internally logically consistent.
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@walter deanovich why are you yelling at me?
A parent can teach their child what they want to, but a school showing a child that there are different directions to go in life is a decent balance to that, in my opinion. This way, neither the parent or the State (or a corporation) has total control.
I think people often mistake a child being theirs with thinking a child is their property. A child isn't just an object to be controlled by their parents, they have a right to a life of their own. I'd say part of that is the right to grow up not being brainwashed from the very start... taking away much of their freedom, in practice, for perhaps their whole life. Brainwashing can be harmful long term, like abuse.
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