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The biggest disappointment: THE OPENING TITLE CHANGE SHOULD'VE BEEN SHIGARAKI WALKING BY & DECAYING THE TITLE TO "MY VILLAIN ACADEMIA!!!" HORIKOSHI LITERALLY SET THIS UP IN THE MANGA FOR THE ANIME TO DO PERFECTLY, AND THEY MISSED IT!!! The Opening should've totally just leaned into the whole "Villains are now the main characters" aspect of this Arc, I was totally expecting some sort of harkening to how the regular Openings show All Might in the light with his back, and then it fades to Deku....They could've done that with All For One in the darkness, and then fade to Shigaraki!!! It would've been so cool!!! But NOPE....
nah bro you just hating i really loved it when they made a nonsense rearangement and shafted the most anticipated arc in the series, ungrateful smh. subscribed.
Joint training arc was fine. It hit all the points that it needed to. But yea, second half was a mess. It was already weird to switch the Endeavor agency and Villain arcs to begin with, but the fact that they extended the agency arc to be longer than the manga was unnecessary, and really hurt the MVA a lot.
I didn’t like either of them. The joint training arc just felt long, pointless and time consuming from start to finish and the other 2 arcs I’m like I’m glad I got to see the villain’s origin story but dude like at this point the series has gotta do better not worse.
So anime watcher here (although I’ve been thinking about getting more into the manga) and I just wanted to thank you for this video, because it explained why season 5 felt so weird. Like I had heard about the MVA arc and I’d heard it was awesome, and then they got there and like… I didn’t get the hype. Which made me sad because one of MHA’s strengths is how they handle the foil relationship between the heroes and the villains. But now I get why I didn’t get the hype, the hype wasn’t there. They cut off the things that people loved about the arc. And yeah that really sucks. The one thing that was still cool I thought was shigaraki’s development, which you brought up. But even that was flattened a little bit by the complete lack of… like, anything for ReDestro. Like for the whole arc my reaction was just “oh, there’s some… guy” and then he and shigaraki start fighting and it’s just “oh I guess he’s big now” Like all the same weight and emphasis was put on the confrontation, but they hadn’t done the legwork to justify that weight and focus, so it just felt confusing. I genuinely though I must have missed an episode where they tell me who this guy is but clearly no, they decided that it just wasn’t important enough and uh… I think they decided wrong. But yeah, from an anime watchers perspective, this season was confusing and felt like a lot of wasted potential. Your video was super helpful in helping me understand why that was
In Redestro vs Shigaraki, Redestro actually rips off a few of Shigaraki's fingers on his left hand in the manga. The next time we actually see Shigaraki,he still doesn't have those fingers
i really agree with the 4th reason you presented -opening didn't focus at all on the villains -terrible pacing and episodes countdown -deku narrating the previews and also, in recent days i saw how desperated the MHA japanese anime twitter was spamming the final season episode PV because "we came back to the heroes!" i'm really afraid of the future of the series. considering how possible is to us to have a "second MVA" considering how the League is rn in the manga and the necessity of Shigaraki's character to take his most important spet in order to be the true symbol of fear.
@@AsarathaHSYT we dont need an MVA 2, we just need a single chapter focusing on the villains current whereabouts, mainly Toga and Shigaraki (his reaction to Twice death aswell.)
Oh man I’d love an MVA 2. Lord knows the villains really need another win after how much they lost in the war arc. Plus an MVA 2 would be a great way to explore the as-of-yet untapped potential of Shigaraki’s new power.
What I would have suggested, to address the Capitalism issue, is Joint Training and MVA simultaneously. Show part of the training, cut to part of the Deika battle, cut back to training. The two arcs do offer some parallels, so this could have addressed the issue, while giving the audience suspense. If done right, it would have had Shigaraki's mental breakthrough happening at the same moment Black Whip manifested. Just imagine that parallel for a moment.
That might've been cool, but I still think the tones between both arcs would've created some real tonal dissonance if spliced together. I'm just imagining going from Shigaraki's intense backstory to Mineta being a perv and jumping all over the place.
Thinking on it more: When it comes to MVA, I felt when I read the arc concluded in the manga that it was a missed opportunity. Imagine for a moment that the LoV lost. Suddenly the known villains were wiped off the table. Have some captured by the MLA (hopeful recruits), some escape, but effectively removed from the table. Now we, the audience, would know of a bunch of villains, ones so powerful they eliminated the LoV, and *the heroes wouldn't have a clue*. Now a villain group with powerful connections. Politicians, media, technology, the MLA as introduced were an enemy unlike anything seen before, one the UA kids were ill equipped to handle. Imagine for a moment, the media class, but instead of Mt. Lady being the guest teacher, it's Chitose Kizuki, MLA's general Curious, also the CEO of a major media company. Now we have an outright villain there, in UA, being friendly and teaching the students. The audience knows she's a villain, but the heroes are in the dark. So, I see a lost opportunity from the get go, and the anime reflects that loss.
FINALLY, someone who UNDERSTANDS MHA, and has WATCHED it, and doesn't just market it as trash because they didn't find Deku interesting as a character, or they think MVA was bad. They actually have reasons as to why, and are non-biased. Great video, Asaratha!
I think it is also reason 4, because IIRC One Piece stopped adapting cover stories because less people watch One Piece if there’s no Luffy and Joint Training getting Twice the episodes as MVA. An actual creative decision would have been during Endeavor agency instead of Endeavor sitting on a chair for half an episode he could have been investigating Redestro’s secretary disappearance, why the support items of the cider house gang exploded, the creature rejection clan being wiped and Redestro’s group. That could even lead in to MVA. Also would be cool to see Endeavor more as a detective. Also hope the fandom isn’t getting you too much down.
In the Wano arc of One Piece as well, the longest flashback in the series which featured no Luffy at all, was adapted quite fast instead of adapting half a chapter per episode like they usually do. Probably to get back to Luffy, like MHA wants to get back to the heroes. But unlike what MHA did with MVA, the flashback was adapted amazingly and at no point were cuts made, it was just a bit faster (something most fans want anyway since the anime is usually slow). OP is also blatant in its marketing but it doesn't just want to get over with the stuff that doesn't sell as much, like Bones is doing.
@@chrismic8087 yeah OP anime usually has slow pacing but during the Oden flashback it noticeably became faster, although no major cuts were made and the adaptation of it was great.
@@chrismic8087 I do follow the One Piece manga but interesting they did that (I imagine they didn't skimp on the Law Flashback though since he's a fan favorite) and it was something I was also feeling while reading it that I wanted to get back to Luffy. I do hope it's a season 5 problem only since we do get back to the heroes POV though the anime's schedule melting doesn't seem encouraging since like mentioned it's pretty much always being worked on. I won't even begrudge the Beach episode but no reason for the Endeavor sitting on a chair for 10 minutes episode.
Great video dude! Honestly I still remember my thoughts on the arc rearrangement as it was airing. As bad as it was, I *guess* you could suggest the idea that only Twice/Shigaraki survived MVA and the rest of the league were clones, but even then that is me grasping at straws. I'm super disappointed with the Spinner/MVA cuts in particular. This arc really dumbed down his character in my opinion.
This was a great video you really encapsulated all my feelings on season 5 and was presented it greatly!! As someone else who loves this series and is incredibly disappointed by season 5, I look forward to more of your content!!
As an anime only until I watched season five I can confirm that I would have rather had the mangas order of events because from my perspective, thinking that this was the intended order when watching, I couldn’t get why MVA was considered the best arc because by the time it started I already knew shigaraki got a massive buff that let him destroy an entire city had an army of 100,000, and that all the members of the league made it out fine, and because of this I didn’t get to feel the suspense of thinking toga might die cause she was seen alive, when they were going to break twice’s arm I already knew he was the original because he was still alive this is why it makes me mad when people say the rearranging of the arc is no big deal because it meant I didn’t enjoy the best arc as much as I could’ve
The least they could have done was remove the beach filler episode and replace it with Re-Destro's real intro (killer commercial) , the CRC massacre, the Villains living in ruins and Spinner calling Shigaraki out.
I Agree but when Season 6 premieres I hope they makes up the scenes that was cut out from My Villain Academia like Re-Destro commercial & kills his assistant, League of Villains vs CRC, Spinner confronts Shigaraki’s motive after their fight with CRC, Gigantomachia stand victory after victory overpowered League of Villains, Skeptic confronts Twice directly on first episode recap with Deku explaining the story of My Villain Academia incident before heading off to War or some of it will show it on flashbacks at least
@@Rjay0922 that would be forced absolutely. The time was over. What's the point of putting scenes whose meaning is not relevant anymore. The most forced on Season 6 if they do that. Sorry.
A really good breakdown! I agree with everything, I still liked watching the mva ark animated but was so so so glad, that I experienced it in the manga first
I’m actually glad I went into it most blind in the anime first because my expectations might have been WAY too high and I might not have liked it. What I did was watch an episode, then go read the chapters that were adapted afterwards. That way, I still got to go in mostly blind in the anime, and I experienced everything as the story went along. Objectively, the manga version is better. But I was able to enjoy MVA to its fullest.
1:07 i don’t animate for studio bones but on behalf of animators, THANK YOU. we don’t go into studio jobs to create half assed animation. if the paycheck isnt gonna be worth it, might as well create the best work we can!
Season 5 in best order possible: Episode 1: Deku's Dream and Starting of Joint Training Arc Episode 2-7: Joint Training Arc Episode 8: End of Joint Training Arc and Starting of My Villain Academia Episode 9-19: My Villain Academia Episode 20-23: Endeavor Agency Arc Episode 24-25: Setup for War Arc
I was actually curious why I dropped this season because I quite enjoyed the joint training, thanks to this I remember that they did not give enough time for MVA to prosper and giving the arc a strong adaptation
Recently rewatching the season cemented to me that this was my least favorite season of MHA. It's sad too because I was a big defender of the first half, I would say it's fine to drag it out because MVA was gonna be worth it and that the fights being two episodes will just make Bakugo's match even more dominating so it's fine. This was all under the impression that the second half was gonna be mostly MVA. Then the switch happened and I lost almost all hope. The remaining hope I had was dashed with that filler episode and the Kurogiri episode. After that I knew MVA was gonna be bad and man was I so dissapointed. The cut material really made the arc feel like it was rushed and just to kinda explain what happened in the Endeavor arc instead of an actual arc that changes the entire future. Then after I did this rewatch everything in the arc made me mad. Realizing how the entire arc turned out, Joint Training being 2x longer than MVA is ludicrous and really brings the season down since it's basically the main arc of the season. Then the Endeavor Agency arc switch made me like that arc so much less (and I didn't even like it before). I know a lot of people who got out of the season because the agency arc coming right after the training arc bored them so much. I can't even blame them because two low stakes arcs together really drag the season down despite any "mystery" going on. MVA still hurts the most because of how much importance it has but the anime feels like a skeleton of it's manga counterpart. I used to really be a strong advocate for watching the anime but now I can't because I can't recommend season5 without saying they should read the manga version as well.
Anime only here- I thought the my villain academia arc was pretty mediocre I was confused why everyone liked it so much. Now I know. 5 episodes for 22 chapters? WHY.
The Eri arc and the licencing exam are actually my favourite parts of the anime. I must be crazy thought because my villain academia was so boring and i skipped so much of those episodes
As someone who watched the anime only, I was confused and bored by the pacing, it's good to get answers on what happened but I am sad to know we won't get the best anime adaptation we could have.
Solid video Asa. While I don't agree with all the points made, you presented them in a concise and well-presented manner that kept me intrigued throughout. Great work
Personally speaking, I like the MVA arc capping off Season 5 more. This arc was essentially meant to be the best and end the season on a proper high note. I also felt it was effective in giving the audience a sense of uneasiness as we never really saw much of the League, or even what happened in Deika City until the very end. Then once it's over, we realize that while our heroes are slowly becoming more powerful; so are the villains too. What with Shigaraki now capable of destroying a whole city, commanding an entire army, and undergoing surgery to make himself even more powerful. The way I see it, this definitely gears people up for what's to come in Season 6. That being said however, I do feel the overall adaptation could've/should've been way better. As you mentioned the arc was 23 chapters long and adapted into just 6 episodes. That right there lets you know that the production team made a lot of cuts this time around. All in all, I can't help but blame Covid for the troubled production this season. If the pandemic never happened then Season 5 would've turned out much better, just like Attack on Titan Season 4.
The jta being way longer than mva should be a crime, personally I feel that way because the whole class a vs class b thing is boring and the villains just have a more interesting story
As an anime only, yeah this makes sense, I honestly didn't feel any hollow as other commenters say, the only real complaint I had was re-destro being somewhat confusing and one note, which clearly isn't the case. I think the anime did ok which is upsetting when it could've been so much better, I loved MVA arc even if it was short, it was incredibly exciting and my favorite part of the season and it's a shame it could've been so much better
I know people were upset and to be honest I was upset about mva too, but looking back at it now after a few months I personally can still enjoy the anime without going back to the manga for mva
Yeah flashbacks have been a trend in these types of anime just look to Naruto where in the later part of part 2 where Naruto would have a swing flashback every 5 to 10 min especially in episodes with heavy dialogue.
I don't read the manga..so i enjoyed the anime arc very much. Also felt the tension about them saying they have to get stronger only to see why later. I disagree with this video...respectfully.
As a manga reader that reads it through bought Viz volumes, I was saving this video for after I read volume 26, and boy, am I baffled at the changes in the anime. The whole Endeavor Agency arc is there to put bubbling tension on both the villain front and Todoroki family front. How are we supposed to feel tension when we see the League in a dark room surrounded by unknown figures at the end of the arc? Yeah, Hawks delivering a code message to Endeavor through the Meta War book is supposed to make the anime viewer go "Oh, what's this Meta movement?", but we already had that seed planted in the Endeavor vs High End arc in Season 4. The point of the message scene is not to introduce the bomb under the table, it's to see the fuse being lit. In the manga, Hawks connection to the Paranormal League flows naturally because it's Hawks > Dabi > Shigaraki/Doctor > Paranormal. In the anime it's suddenly Hawks > Paranormal. It looks jumbled up, although I don't watch the anime, so I can't be sure the pacing feels good.
I think it was definitely mostly the movie While yes, the pacing and rearranging could have been a result of wanting to shorten the arc, the movie was essentially 6 more episodes that the crew had to work on And by the looks of it they put their best animators on the movie, leaving the actual anime to what presumably was the b team Even with the rearranging i think they could have done mva justice, had they not have that movie to work on And now without a movie coming out we see s6 doing great
I was paying attention until this said "Twitter Critics" whose opinions mean absolutely nothing. Still good points but Lord never use ANYTHING from Twitter.
While I will admit that season 5 is probably the worst of them all I still enjoyed watching the season. And while I know people don't like how MVA was adapted I at least think the adaptation of shigaraki's backstory and his awakening was great
I do admit the pacing in season 4 was off but season 4 is what got me into My Hero Academia and to this day until season 6 comes out is still my favorite season. Season 6 will be my favorite season IF the pacing is better, nothing is flopped around, and the animation is better.
I already dropped the anime before it got to the EA arc. Because I've read what would happen after, and I've found the MVA arc really hard to read. It was just lots of explosions and special effects that I couldn't understand, how many were in one picture, when there were two or more in one pic, where each was in it, the scale of it if we were up close and personal or keeping some distance from it. All that for an outcome that was predictable because of Chekov's gun and logic. And so I found MVA to be too fucking long in the manga. I still read the manga though but honestly, it only worsened since then and I'm just there to see it to the end. And then, when the 2nd s5 half was coming I decided to not torture myself with something that long again. And here I am, 1 year later, only learning that they even messed up the order and got only bad consequences in terms of quality. I truly made the right decision then. Maybe I'll go back to watching the anime, but I guess it will only be near the end, as I have problems with the first war, the Vigilante Midoriya arc and the second, ongoing war. Maybe I'll watch a bit of the VM arc, and a bit of the second war, but for now, I'm going through the situation with the manga and fanfics only.
MVA is the worst arc adapted in BNH so far. Come on ! what a Crap was that. The movie screwed it up. Narrative,scenes,fights all of that was awful un anime.
My argument against those who say the cuts were small? Art isn't always math. My Villain Academia (and everything that followed) is legitimately a perfect example of "greater than the sum of its parts".
And even putting the "greater than the sum" aside... How is cutting 10 pages from a 14 pages chapter "small" ? Especially when said chapter is literally the opening chapter of an entire arc, thus setting the tone for all there is to come in said arc ? And then have the AUDACITY of calling the episode after said chapter ?
Just like how Hori's storytelling and art elevated to accommodate the shift in tone for MVA, people were expecting the showrunners for the anime to do the exact same thing. And for perfectly good reason. It seems like Season 5 solidified the fact that MHA's anime will be the definition of playing it safe from now on (network reasons?) If that's the case, we now know what to expect for the war arc and further on. It'll make money anyways, right?🤷🏾♂️
@Bankai652 i did. It just made the flaws all the more apperant. After Gentle Criminal the manga take a nose dive fast. The only plot at this point I am invested in is Endeavor redemption because credit where credit is due Hirokoshi did a great job about it. And even then the world , characters and plot is so half baked it isn't even funny anymore.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 ah. I remember you. You were complaining about Deku in another video. I wonder why you bother with the series at all. And you’re not the only one. The training arcs are garbage but MVA and War arc were actually praised in the manga (and rightfully so since it’s the kind of action people wanted instead of school shit.) Those came after all the boring festivals and school life post-Gentle
I never understand the logic of “Hey let’s ruin this show people enjoy watching so we can make more money off it.” That’s how you lose your audience and lose all your money.
@@carloscauan7967 Dude, a single One Piece episode these days ends up having better animation than MHA for the last 3 years. Bones clearly doesn’t care about the anime anymore.
@@vronji I think that’s fine because unlike my hero Haiykuu despite its good themes is mainly a sports anime that is games. With Haiykuu coming close to its last two arcs it’s fine to make it movies so they can step up the animation. Especially with the importance of the battle at the garbage dump and the future arcs.
I liked Shigi vs Redestro in the manga more because when Redestro delivers his lines about him realizing Shigi is the most liberated man, you have time to absorb it while in the anime he just says it real quick and that's it, but that's a problem that will always exist with anime vs manga. after reading the manga, that scene stuck in my head to this day, while after watching the anime i don't even remember watching it.
Option 5, which is the most viable to me and possibly other people, is that whoever directs the anime just hates the villains. In fact, while a good amount of people complained about MVA in every country, even Japan, the general thing in Eastern countries seems to be that you follow the rules no matter what, and you don’t like people who are different in any way. This seems to have translated into the Japanese MHA fandom as well, because most of the Japanese fans LOVED the season BECAUSE of the switch and the metaphorical crippling of the League’s character development. I mean, it’s ranked the number 1 season at least in Japan, from what I have seen. Besides, the ONE moment in MVA that isn’t a still frame besides the entire Shiggy Vs. ReDestro fight is when Toga is transformed into Uraraka, and even THAT was toned down from what it could have been. An official Season 5 BNHA animator put their animation that they made for the Toga-Uraraka transformation scene that she nearly finished, and told people that she was told to scrap it, and they didn’t give her a proper reason why other than ‘Time Constraints’, which you already explained why that excuse doesn’t work. Looking at all of the evidence, this is the only thing that I will believe, especially because they don’t care about the season making money when they have the ‘Movie Money Grub deus ex machina’ to save their asses.
"- the general thing in Eastern countries seems to be that you follow the rules no matter what, and you don’t like people who are different in any way." This, I think, is the biggest fundamental problem with MHA: the East's extreme pro-authority culture has ingrained itself into MHA so deeply that it warps both the story and the concept of Western superheroes. TL;DR: Getting Eastern storytellers to try and make a Western superhero story was a *BIG* mistake and the series will age poorly because of it.
@@1992holycrap It's a story about the lives of Japanese superheroes inside Japan, not about Western superheroes. Just because the creator partially draws inspiration from Western superhero stories doesn't mean that MHA is one. Avatar the Last Airbender is also heavily inspired by Asian culture but it's still extremely American at its core, which looks odd to Eastern audiences. You can criticize the storytelling, but storytellers taking inspiration from other cultures and making it into a new story set in their own culture isn't a mistake. It is just what's common and happens everywhere.
They really did Spinner dirty in the MVA arc-it's really sad to see how much was cut. Like in MVA in the manga there was a lot of stuff introduced that added up later on into the arc. And the fandom was kinda robbed of that by a lot of MVA stuff being cut (especially considering how much really cool content and themes were not included in the anime thanks to chapter 220 being cut)
Dude, you hit the nail on the head i'm very glad you made a video that put a lot of our thoughts into words. I hated that on Twitter, if you even dared to point out that the anime was mucking up; Spinner's character arc, animation quality, opening, LOV characterisation, important plot points, episode pacing, world building and general cut content then you were told that you were being dramatic, to wait it out and that you only cared so much bc you were a villain fan, as if people didn't get into an uproar for Bakugou's wonky face in one panel when he retook the license exam. I don't just care about the villains bc I like them, I care bc they are integral aspects to the entire plot and the message Horikoshi is trying to convey.
This was an amazing and well thought out video of how season 5 was handled. Very objective unlike Twitter. Awesome stuff! I look forward to more content and whatever else you choose to explore.
It's a shame that this had to season 5. Hell, that pointless beach/tie in episode or filler scenes like Endeavor fighting that villain with wheels quirk. Could've been used for MVA
One more thing involving heroes rising at 14:06. It doesn't take place after joint training it takes place after mva. I know this because in the film Nine says that Deku has multiple quirks, Shigaraki in all of the scenes that he's in can be seen wearing his prosthetic left fingers and thumb that wears after his fight with Re-Destro, and Toga can be seen wearing the coat she bought before her fight with Curious
Season 5 had 2 unnecessary filler episodes that could've been dedicated to the My Villain Academia arc. Instead, we got the glorified recap in the first episode and a movie tie in episode in the middle of the Endeavor Agency Arc.
Unfortunately, if I have my facts right, the recap episode we get every season is mandatory for the contract that they have with the TV company or station or whatever that airs MHA in Japan. MHA is aired on a channel and time meant for kids so they probably want to make sure the kids watching are reminded of who everyone is and what they do at the start of each season and get some anime original content in for people to tune into and see something new. The part about it being on a kids channel also contributes to the censorship that happens a lot.
In the anime, MVA didn't seem like much to me- just "Oh, I guess we're taking a look at what the villains are doing now for a bit." Re-Destro didn't seem like an important character; it felt like we were just getting an explanation for what's happening behind the scenes. Seeing what was missing, the quick pacing, and the importance of this arc to the manga, I'm inclined to agree that they messed up what should have been a major, interesting change that fleshed the villains and world out even more.
After watching season 5 and this video, I'm glad that I started reading the manga after season 4 and experienced MVA and Joint Training for the first time through the manga with none of the issues the anime adaptation introduced.
Thank you for the analysis, it was really complete and well thought, and it helped me understand what bothered me. I was disappointed by S4 and really feared what would become of S5 when they announced it. When there was the covid, the date was postponned, and I thought "it's ok, i'd rather they take their time and make something amazing for my favorite arc (MVA), I could even wait years". When the first part was released I thought it was good, but I wanted to see Shigaraki. Then I saw the reversed arcs. And the new opening. Oh god, the song is great but the animation ? The story board ? I mean come on hype us up a little, even if there are spoilers, it never stopped other shonens. I decided to wait the end of the whole season before resuming where I left. I tried not to look at social medias to really have my opinion, to have a few good surprises (a new opening, please lord). I mentally prepared myself for the worst. In the end I was pretty happy (I really thought it would be terrible), and at the same time a little confused by the decision the higher up took. Another movie ? Fillers episode ? Flashbacks ? Deleted content ? This ugly ass opening (very personnal) At this point I would like to know who exactly took those decisions, and why, because it makes me a little sad to be happy for something that is rather mediocre. At least the manga is still here, still very good, and I can't thank enough Horikoshi and his skills as a mangaka. In the end I'm sorry if I ranted a little. I'm happy you made this video and I want everyone to stay positive, we don't know what will happen for the future, and we can remember what we liked in S5. (i really like the new ost for mha , and shigaraki's origin story was really well done imo)
And the most well received, with the last two MVA episodes (Shiggy's backstory and awakening) in particular being the only episodes to get over a 9 on IMDb.
While you said not to criticize the animation, their needs to be at least some discussion about it because their clearly was thought and effort put into some scenes and disregard for others. My main point being the ABSOLUTE SAKUGA allotted to the Iida vs. mudman and that weird scene with Uraraka grabing the charm. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO OFF in those moments, like DAUM! While it was beautiful animation I other more worth while scenes (The cut Toga fight) and the final fight against Shigaraki vs. Redestro and the whole Tenko Shimura origin would have been better suited for some better animation right?! Those scenes could of had much more of an impact if the looked better instead of one-off moments that are forgettable. I honestly feel like the animation budget (in regard to what the Sakuga was used on) was scuffed this season aswell, and honestly leaves me hesitant to continue with the show when THEY KEEP BUTCHERING MY BOI!!!!
@@Thetom5000 I agree with him. Nagasaki is more experienced director and attracts more free lancers. As for mukai he doesn't have that much experience with anime like mha I don't think he was suited for this position
While I loved what was adapted, I’m still pretty devastated and disappointed over how much they butchered the MVA arc to fit the remaining episodes of the season. I haven’t read that part of the manga properly yet, but the list of differences from manga to episodes on the MHA wiki and in this video was pretty shocking to see. So much interesting looking stuff was cut. The executives not liking the idea of the main characters not being in so many episodes in a row and the Agency arc lining up with the upcoming 3rd film are the possible reasons I believe in the most. I love the first 2 movies, but messing with the story flow just to advertise a movie that weren’t very plot impacting to begin with is pretty dumb. I wouldn’t even mind the order mix-up if, there could have been a way to make it work. Like let the MVA arc continue on into the next season. As I think most of the final episodes of each season feel like blatantly simple bridges to the next season than proper season finales. But that’s just me. Makes me wanna check out that arc in the manga sometime soon. I’m really curious on how much they butchered this arc for the anime. Nicely done video overall.
The one element i keep missing in every single analysis is simply COVID. We know Jump sent their artists home during the pandemic, leading to a radical shit in production. Why wouldn't it impact the anime? And specifically, the thing people come back to with work-from-home is that it's harder to communicate. A lot of the seasons' problems seem to come back to communication, like the setup for the sushi joke missing entirely. It's like writing and production for one episode didn't know what the other was supposed to cover. But other than that, #4 is definitely the main reason: the OP shows 1A in it's entirety and gives each a duo shot for several seconds despite barely being in the cour. The villains get primarily group shots despite being a much bigger part of the season. Even something as simple as Shigaraki decaying the MHA logo, practically tailor-made for the anime, is left out. The anime is clearly working with it's brand in mind, and does not like anything that strays from it.
As an anime only, and manga reader up until Redestro appearance, I liked Season 5 better than I did Season 4. But I can totally see where a manga reader is coming from with how the suspense was basically absent. Maybe the production company wasn't confident in the "up down" pacing that these 3 arcs provided so they swapped the arcs to ramp up the suspense linearly. Maybe I wasn't watching close enough but I didn't even know the MVA arc happened before the Endeavor Agency arc so I was under the impression that chronologically the villians got stronger AFTER the Heroes. My ignorance made the MVA arc better because I genuinely thought one of the LOV members wasn't going to make it out. Overall I think Bones played the hand they were dealt, and I would read the manga but if they're going to war I much much rather watch it animated. Especially since bones does a beautiful job with action scenes.
For me, the only problem with this season was the cut content (I think that they adapted the MOST essential parts for the story going forward, and I think what got was adapted pretty well for the most part). While this is a downside to the anime version, I was able to solve this problem by reading the stuff I missed in the manga, simple as that. It really helped me appreciate the anime version more. I really don’t think this season is “bad” at all, but I would say it’s also not the best either. Personally, it’s my third favorite season behind 4 and 2.
The funniest thing to me when the season was airing and I was watching with my family was the second op. I knew the villain arc was coming up and I was excited, I liked them already and wanted to see what a villain-centered arc would be, and then the opening comes on: “Wow, wow, it’s alright. Everything will be alright.” I laughed. It felt like they were trying to comfort a small child that their favorite heroes would come back and it wouldn’t be scary for long. (Which given future event makes it even FUNNIER) Still, wish they leaned into the ‘villain’ aspect more
I think the "adaptation is not recreation" argument is fundamentaly flawed, becouse peope understand re-creating wrong. If I think of a re-creating something, I think of it the same way re-drawing something works. I'm an artist, and re-drawing is rather popular. Most of the time we eather re-draw our own old art, sceenes from shows we like, or other artist art in so called "draw this in your style" challenges. Here is the thing about re-drawing: you do it in YOUR style. Most of the time you try staying as close to the original as possible, yes, but you still but your own flair, your own personal note into it. It becomes unmistakably a new piece. So technically, what MHA did with moving the arcs around, is exactly what people argue MHA didn't do. It was Re-Creating. Not Adapting. It was putting it's own spin on something. Adapting is converting something to a new medium, while staying as close to the original as posible. For example by adapting an art style from traditional to digital, while making it look as identical to the original traditional style as possible. The goal of adaptating something is literally to get as close to the original as possible. Re-creating something is changing little things here and there. Like the art style, or the order of story arcs. RE-creating. Making it a new thing. People are right, adaptation is not recreating, just not in the way they think. At this point MHA the anime is not beeing an adaptation, it's closer to a recreation. That beeing said, those two (adaptation and recreation) are soooo close together, that pinning them against each other is ultimately null and void. The through line is basically just that, only speaking for story structure, an adaptation tries it's best to leave the story arcs in the other the source material put them, and a recreation allows you to be a bit more creative and shovel them around. For example, an adaptation of Alice in wonderland would never start with Alice landing in the queens garden, that would change her entire starting motivation, but a recreation could. (And a retelling could basically do whatever and make Alice a serial killer murdering everyone in wonderland xD)
I find it hilarious how we spend all this time focusing class 1-B and how great their powers are only for like half of them to be completely useless in the war arc.
Personally I feel reason 4 actually could tie into the movie theory, not because the movie would make sense but how it was the best arc to put the filler episode to advertise the movie. I say this because if they worried about the focus of the main three characters, they could've shoved MVA in the middle, make it short, and then use the rest of the season to focus on Deku, Bakugo, and Todoroki. Really good video btw
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The biggest disappointment: THE OPENING TITLE CHANGE SHOULD'VE BEEN SHIGARAKI WALKING BY & DECAYING THE TITLE TO "MY VILLAIN ACADEMIA!!!" HORIKOSHI LITERALLY SET THIS UP IN THE MANGA FOR THE ANIME TO DO PERFECTLY, AND THEY MISSED IT!!! The Opening should've totally just leaned into the whole "Villains are now the main characters" aspect of this Arc, I was totally expecting some sort of harkening to how the regular Openings show All Might in the light with his back, and then it fades to Deku....They could've done that with All For One in the darkness, and then fade to Shigaraki!!! It would've been so cool!!! But NOPE....
nah that's too complicated, why they need to do that when premiere pro flashing transition exist?
@@jodanjo4295 How is that complicated? I agree with them.
@@hinamatsuro1908 agree about what?
@@hinamatsuro1908 r/wooosh
Japan apparently don’t like when then villains get the spotlight. Shit is mad dumb.
nah bro you just hating i really loved it when they made a nonsense rearangement and shafted the most anticipated arc in the series, ungrateful smh. subscribed.
i should really just be grateful that we got a season 5 in the first place. damn entitled manga readers. i apologise for my sins
Is this a joke? I don’t get it.🤨
None manga readers when they dont get the controversy jokes:🤡
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I know your opinion in season 5 because I watch you but I still don't get the Joke-
@@Aqualix.21 its sarcasm
Joint training arc was fine. It hit all the points that it needed to. But yea, second half was a mess. It was already weird to switch the Endeavor agency and Villain arcs to begin with, but the fact that they extended the agency arc to be longer than the manga was unnecessary, and really hurt the MVA a lot.
I didn’t like either of them. The joint training arc just felt long, pointless and time consuming from start to finish and the other 2 arcs I’m like I’m glad I got to see the villain’s origin story but dude like at this point the series has gotta do better not worse.
So anime watcher here (although I’ve been thinking about getting more into the manga) and I just wanted to thank you for this video, because it explained why season 5 felt so weird. Like I had heard about the MVA arc and I’d heard it was awesome, and then they got there and like… I didn’t get the hype. Which made me sad because one of MHA’s strengths is how they handle the foil relationship between the heroes and the villains.
But now I get why I didn’t get the hype, the hype wasn’t there. They cut off the things that people loved about the arc. And yeah that really sucks. The one thing that was still cool I thought was shigaraki’s development, which you brought up. But even that was flattened a little bit by the complete lack of… like, anything for ReDestro. Like for the whole arc my reaction was just “oh, there’s some… guy” and then he and shigaraki start fighting and it’s just “oh I guess he’s big now”
Like all the same weight and emphasis was put on the confrontation, but they hadn’t done the legwork to justify that weight and focus, so it just felt confusing. I genuinely though I must have missed an episode where they tell me who this guy is but clearly no, they decided that it just wasn’t important enough and uh… I think they decided wrong.
But yeah, from an anime watchers perspective, this season was confusing and felt like a lot of wasted potential. Your video was super helpful in helping me understand why that was
In Redestro vs Shigaraki, Redestro actually rips off a few of Shigaraki's fingers on his left hand in the manga. The next time we actually see Shigaraki,he still doesn't have those fingers
same honestly, its making me considering just picking up the manga
i really agree with the 4th reason you presented
-opening didn't focus at all on the villains
-terrible pacing and episodes countdown
-deku narrating the previews
and also, in recent days i saw how desperated the MHA japanese anime twitter was spamming the final season episode PV because "we came back to the heroes!"
i'm really afraid of the future of the series. considering how possible is to us to have a "second MVA" considering how the League is rn in the manga and the necessity of Shigaraki's character to take his most important spet in order to be the true symbol of fear.
with how hori is currently writing MHA i dont ever see an MVA 2 coming but ill let him cook
@@AsarathaHSYT we dont need an MVA 2, we just need a single chapter focusing on the villains current whereabouts, mainly Toga and Shigaraki (his reaction to Twice death aswell.)
@@roman108 i'd say a double-triple chapter.
Oh man I’d love an MVA 2. Lord knows the villains really need another win after how much they lost in the war arc.
Plus an MVA 2 would be a great way to explore the as-of-yet untapped potential of Shigaraki’s new power.
A second MVA would be great. The narrative was terrible absolutely. That arc deserve a Lot than that Crap
What I would have suggested, to address the Capitalism issue, is Joint Training and MVA simultaneously. Show part of the training, cut to part of the Deika battle, cut back to training. The two arcs do offer some parallels, so this could have addressed the issue, while giving the audience suspense.
If done right, it would have had Shigaraki's mental breakthrough happening at the same moment Black Whip manifested. Just imagine that parallel for a moment.
Incidentally, I used the same Hitchcock example myself when discussing the issues of this season. You earned a subscriber.
That might've been cool, but I still think the tones between both arcs would've created some real tonal dissonance if spliced together. I'm just imagining going from Shigaraki's intense backstory to Mineta being a perv and jumping all over the place.
@@MrEdit-ic7th Agreed, I think the tone shift was the best thing about MVA, putting it alongside the school stuff would be too wishy washy.
Thinking on it more:
When it comes to MVA, I felt when I read the arc concluded in the manga that it was a missed opportunity. Imagine for a moment that the LoV lost. Suddenly the known villains were wiped off the table. Have some captured by the MLA (hopeful recruits), some escape, but effectively removed from the table.
Now we, the audience, would know of a bunch of villains, ones so powerful they eliminated the LoV, and *the heroes wouldn't have a clue*. Now a villain group with powerful connections. Politicians, media, technology, the MLA as introduced were an enemy unlike anything seen before, one the UA kids were ill equipped to handle.
Imagine for a moment, the media class, but instead of Mt. Lady being the guest teacher, it's Chitose Kizuki, MLA's general Curious, also the CEO of a major media company. Now we have an outright villain there, in UA, being friendly and teaching the students. The audience knows she's a villain, but the heroes are in the dark.
So, I see a lost opportunity from the get go, and the anime reflects that loss.
@@MrEdit-ic7th I see you on so many my hero videos. Your like the “Just some guy without a mustache” of my hero for me 🤣🤣
FINALLY, someone who UNDERSTANDS MHA, and has WATCHED it, and doesn't just market it as trash because they didn't find Deku interesting as a character, or they think MVA was bad. They actually have reasons as to why, and are non-biased. Great video, Asaratha!
You quoting Hitchock's suspense lecture is the best shit. Like, it sums up perfectly what I was saying!
I think it is also reason 4, because IIRC One Piece stopped adapting cover stories because less people watch One Piece if there’s no Luffy and Joint Training getting Twice the episodes as MVA. An actual creative decision would have been during Endeavor agency instead of Endeavor sitting on a chair for half an episode he could have been investigating Redestro’s secretary disappearance, why the support items of the cider house gang exploded, the creature rejection clan being wiped and Redestro’s group. That could even lead in to MVA. Also would be cool to see Endeavor more as a detective.
Also hope the fandom isn’t getting you too much down.
the fandom is annoying as shit but i persevere
In the Wano arc of One Piece as well, the longest flashback in the series which featured no Luffy at all, was adapted quite fast instead of adapting half a chapter per episode like they usually do. Probably to get back to Luffy, like MHA wants to get back to the heroes. But unlike what MHA did with MVA, the flashback was adapted amazingly and at no point were cuts made, it was just a bit faster (something most fans want anyway since the anime is usually slow). OP is also blatant in its marketing but it doesn't just want to get over with the stuff that doesn't sell as much, like Bones is doing.
@@chrismic8087 yeah OP anime usually has slow pacing but during the Oden flashback it noticeably became faster, although no major cuts were made and the adaptation of it was great.
@@chrismic8087 I do follow the One Piece manga but interesting they did that (I imagine they didn't skimp on the Law Flashback though since he's a fan favorite) and it was something I was also feeling while reading it that I wanted to get back to Luffy. I do hope it's a season 5 problem only since we do get back to the heroes POV though the anime's schedule melting doesn't seem encouraging since like mentioned it's pretty much always being worked on.
I won't even begrudge the Beach episode but no reason for the Endeavor sitting on a chair for 10 minutes episode.
Great video dude! Honestly I still remember my thoughts on the arc rearrangement as it was airing. As bad as it was, I *guess* you could suggest the idea that only Twice/Shigaraki survived MVA and the rest of the league were clones, but even then that is me grasping at straws.
I'm super disappointed with the Spinner/MVA cuts in particular. This arc really dumbed down his character in my opinion.
it didnt just dumb it down imo. there just is no character for spinner now
@@AsarathaHSYT Legit, in the anime his reason for being convinced by Shigaraki is so flimsy.
This was a great video you really encapsulated all my feelings on season 5 and was presented it greatly!! As someone else who loves this series and is incredibly disappointed by season 5, I look forward to more of your content!!
As an anime only until I watched season five I can confirm that I would have rather had the mangas order of events because from my perspective, thinking that this was the intended order when watching, I couldn’t get why MVA was considered the best arc because by the time it started I already knew shigaraki got a massive buff that let him destroy an entire city had an army of 100,000, and that all the members of the league made it out fine, and because of this I didn’t get to feel the suspense of thinking toga might die cause she was seen alive, when they were going to break twice’s arm I already knew he was the original because he was still alive this is why it makes me mad when people say the rearranging of the arc is no big deal because it meant I didn’t enjoy the best arc as much as I could’ve
The least they could have done was remove the beach filler episode and replace it with Re-Destro's real intro (killer commercial) , the CRC massacre, the Villains living in ruins and Spinner calling Shigaraki out.
I Agree but when Season 6 premieres I hope they makes up the scenes that was cut out from My Villain Academia like Re-Destro commercial & kills his assistant, League of Villains vs CRC, Spinner confronts Shigaraki’s motive after their fight with CRC, Gigantomachia stand victory after victory overpowered League of Villains, Skeptic confronts Twice directly on first episode recap with Deku explaining the story of My Villain Academia incident before heading off to War or some of it will show it on flashbacks at least
@@Rjay0922 that would be forced absolutely. The time was over. What's the point of putting scenes whose meaning is not relevant anymore.
The most forced on Season 6 if they do that. Sorry.
@@ajaxaxel7366 Season 6 first episode will be the recap & it’s possible that My Villain Academia will be on the recap
This is a great video. Completely hits the target on all points. Never understood why they switched these fantastic arcs...
A really good breakdown! I agree with everything, I still liked watching the mva ark animated but was so so so glad, that I experienced it in the manga first
I’m actually glad I went into it most blind in the anime first because my expectations might have been WAY too high and I might not have liked it. What I did was watch an episode, then go read the chapters that were adapted afterwards. That way, I still got to go in mostly blind in the anime, and I experienced everything as the story went along. Objectively, the manga version is better. But I was able to enjoy MVA to its fullest.
1:07 i don’t animate for studio bones but on behalf of animators, THANK YOU. we don’t go into studio jobs to create half assed animation. if the paycheck isnt gonna be worth it, might as well create the best work we can!
Yup, exactly my thoughts, couldn't say anything more even if i tried. Good job Asa (and everyone that helped obviously)
Another banger, Asa!! Love to see it
Season 5 in best order possible:
Episode 1: Deku's Dream and Starting of Joint Training Arc
Episode 2-7: Joint Training Arc
Episode 8: End of Joint Training Arc and Starting of My Villain Academia
Episode 9-19: My Villain Academia
Episode 20-23: Endeavor Agency Arc
Episode 24-25: Setup for War Arc
I would make MVA a little shorter to have Endeavor’s agency be adapted to its full potential.
They also forgot to add the scene in the manga where a mysterious man (afo) was taking tenko home and thats when he gave tenko decay
I was actually curious why I dropped this season because I quite enjoyed the joint training, thanks to this I remember that they did not give enough time for MVA to prosper and giving the arc a strong adaptation
Putting the villain arc on the back burner for the training arc and the third movie that nobody asked for was what made season suffer the most imo.
I do agree what your saying but I still enjoyed season 5 of mha
that is fair!
Recently rewatching the season cemented to me that this was my least favorite season of MHA. It's sad too because I was a big defender of the first half, I would say it's fine to drag it out because MVA was gonna be worth it and that the fights being two episodes will just make Bakugo's match even more dominating so it's fine. This was all under the impression that the second half was gonna be mostly MVA. Then the switch happened and I lost almost all hope. The remaining hope I had was dashed with that filler episode and the Kurogiri episode. After that I knew MVA was gonna be bad and man was I so dissapointed. The cut material really made the arc feel like it was rushed and just to kinda explain what happened in the Endeavor arc instead of an actual arc that changes the entire future.
Then after I did this rewatch everything in the arc made me mad. Realizing how the entire arc turned out, Joint Training being 2x longer than MVA is ludicrous and really brings the season down since it's basically the main arc of the season. Then the Endeavor Agency arc switch made me like that arc so much less (and I didn't even like it before). I know a lot of people who got out of the season because the agency arc coming right after the training arc bored them so much. I can't even blame them because two low stakes arcs together really drag the season down despite any "mystery" going on. MVA still hurts the most because of how much importance it has but the anime feels like a skeleton of it's manga counterpart. I used to really be a strong advocate for watching the anime but now I can't because I can't recommend season5 without saying they should read the manga version as well.
I only remember MVA whenever I think of season 5
Anime only here- I thought the my villain academia arc was pretty mediocre I was confused why everyone liked it so much. Now I know. 5 episodes for 22 chapters? WHY.
The Eri arc and the licencing exam are actually my favourite parts of the anime. I must be crazy thought because my villain academia was so boring and i skipped so much of those episodes
yeah i found MVA episodes pretty boring
Also the shushi scene makes no sense now.
Hello asa i'm in love with you :)
Nice video btw. Overhaul OST usage/10
u can thank toini for that
As someone who watched the anime only, I was confused and bored by the pacing, it's good to get answers on what happened but I am sad to know we won't get the best anime adaptation we could have.
I actually dropped the show 10 episodes into season 5
2:57 The background music slaps.
Solid video Asa.
While I don't agree with all the points made, you presented them in a concise and well-presented manner that kept me intrigued throughout.
Great work
Ironic how Spinner, who's entire character is about being a nobody in superhuman society, got all his characterization cut. Oof.
Personally speaking, I like the MVA arc capping off Season 5 more. This arc was essentially meant to be the best and end the season on a proper high note. I also felt it was effective in giving the audience a sense of uneasiness as we never really saw much of the League, or even what happened in Deika City until the very end. Then once it's over, we realize that while our heroes are slowly becoming more powerful; so are the villains too. What with Shigaraki now capable of destroying a whole city, commanding an entire army, and undergoing surgery to make himself even more powerful. The way I see it, this definitely gears people up for what's to come in Season 6. That being said however, I do feel the overall adaptation could've/should've been way better. As you mentioned the arc was 23 chapters long and adapted into just 6 episodes. That right there lets you know that the production team made a lot of cuts this time around. All in all, I can't help but blame Covid for the troubled production this season. If the pandemic never happened then Season 5 would've turned out much better, just like Attack on Titan Season 4.
The jta being way longer than mva should be a crime, personally I feel that way because the whole class a vs class b thing is boring and the villains just have a more interesting story
As an anime only, yeah this makes sense, I honestly didn't feel any hollow as other commenters say, the only real complaint I had was re-destro being somewhat confusing and one note, which clearly isn't the case. I think the anime did ok which is upsetting when it could've been so much better, I loved MVA arc even if it was short, it was incredibly exciting and my favorite part of the season and it's a shame it could've been so much better
I know people were upset and to be honest I was upset about mva too, but looking back at it now after a few months I personally can still enjoy the anime without going back to the manga for mva
Yeah flashbacks have been a trend in these types of anime just look to Naruto where in the later part of part 2 where Naruto would have a swing flashback every 5 to 10 min especially in episodes with heavy dialogue.
I don't read the manga..so i enjoyed the anime arc very much. Also felt the tension about them saying they have to get stronger only to see why later. I disagree with this video...respectfully.
As a manga reader that reads it through bought Viz volumes, I was saving this video for after I read volume 26, and boy, am I baffled at the changes in the anime.
The whole Endeavor Agency arc is there to put bubbling tension on both the villain front and Todoroki family front. How are we supposed to feel tension when we see the League in a dark room surrounded by unknown figures at the end of the arc?
Yeah, Hawks delivering a code message to Endeavor through the Meta War book is supposed to make the anime viewer go "Oh, what's this Meta movement?", but we already had that seed planted in the Endeavor vs High End arc in Season 4. The point of the message scene is not to introduce the bomb under the table, it's to see the fuse being lit. In the manga, Hawks connection to the Paranormal League flows naturally because it's Hawks > Dabi > Shigaraki/Doctor > Paranormal. In the anime it's suddenly Hawks > Paranormal.
It looks jumbled up, although I don't watch the anime, so I can't be sure the pacing feels good.
I personally don't get the what's so bad with Joint Training Arc. I like seeing the lesser focused on the other students.
For the longest time I couldn’t understand why season five was so hated but now I understand thanks. It’s giving promised neverland season 2
Good vid man , That's why I'm manga reader after season 3
I think it was definitely mostly the movie
While yes, the pacing and rearranging could have been a result of wanting to shorten the arc, the movie was essentially 6 more episodes that the crew had to work on
And by the looks of it they put their best animators on the movie, leaving the actual anime to what presumably was the b team
Even with the rearranging i think they could have done mva justice, had they not have that movie to work on
And now without a movie coming out we see s6 doing great
rip season 5
I am so glad I didn’t read the manga during season 4 and season 5, otherwise I wouldn’t be so optimistic
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Man, ReDestro really did take a big L
Whats the theme at 9:30?
if they just cut joint training with 1 ep for each fight except the last which gets two then we get double the amount of MVA zero cuts
That might have been one way, but it also might have been some sloppy episodes. Thou, I could be wrong.
tfw season 4 was my favorite mha season.
I feel like the manga's art style had matured and the animation had not matured with it.
I was paying attention until this said "Twitter Critics" whose opinions mean absolutely nothing. Still good points but Lord never use ANYTHING from Twitter.
I jus hope they don't fuck up Dekus Separation Arc
While I will admit that season 5 is probably the worst of them all I still enjoyed watching the season. And while I know people don't like how MVA was adapted I at least think the adaptation of shigaraki's backstory and his awakening was great
I do admit the pacing in season 4 was off but season 4 is what got me into My Hero Academia and to this day until season 6 comes out is still my favorite season. Season 6 will be my favorite season IF the pacing is better, nothing is flopped around, and the animation is better.
i stop watching mha after season3. it seem they just want to promo movie.
Why is a "non creative adaptation" bad????
The only good thing about this season was "My Villian Academia"
i think mha is overrated. the writing gets really bad in alot of places.
I already dropped the anime before it got to the EA arc.
Because I've read what would happen after, and I've found the MVA arc really hard to read. It was just lots of explosions and special effects that I couldn't understand, how many were in one picture, when there were two or more in one pic, where each was in it, the scale of it if we were up close and personal or keeping some distance from it. All that for an outcome that was predictable because of Chekov's gun and logic. And so I found MVA to be too fucking long in the manga.
I still read the manga though but honestly, it only worsened since then and I'm just there to see it to the end.
And then, when the 2nd s5 half was coming I decided to not torture myself with something that long again.
And here I am, 1 year later, only learning that they even messed up the order and got only bad consequences in terms of quality.
I truly made the right decision then. Maybe I'll go back to watching the anime, but I guess it will only be near the end, as I have problems with the first war, the Vigilante Midoriya arc and the second, ongoing war.
Maybe I'll watch a bit of the VM arc, and a bit of the second war, but for now, I'm going through the situation with the manga and fanfics only.
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This explains why this season fealty hollow and very boring
Not really, this season was great.
Twitter is cringe
The MVA adaptation WAS ASS
u guys need to chill out its an anime there no reason to criticize the smallest thing
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MVA is the worst arc adapted in BNH so far. Come on ! what a Crap was that. The movie screwed it up.
Narrative,scenes,fights all of that was awful un anime.
My argument against those who say the cuts were small?
Art isn't always math. My Villain Academia (and everything that followed) is legitimately a perfect example of "greater than the sum of its parts".
And even putting the "greater than the sum" aside... How is cutting 10 pages from a 14 pages chapter "small" ? Especially when said chapter is literally the opening chapter of an entire arc, thus setting the tone for all there is to come in said arc ? And then have the AUDACITY of calling the episode after said chapter ?
Just like how Hori's storytelling and art elevated to accommodate the shift in tone for MVA, people were expecting the showrunners for the anime to do the exact same thing. And for perfectly good reason. It seems like Season 5 solidified the fact that MHA's anime will be the definition of playing it safe from now on (network reasons?) If that's the case, we now know what to expect for the war arc and further on. It'll make money anyways, right?🤷🏾♂️
Storytelling? That's the worst part of bnha.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 huh?
@Bankai652 i did. It just made the flaws all the more apperant. After Gentle Criminal the manga take a nose dive fast. The only plot at this point I am invested in is Endeavor redemption because credit where credit is due Hirokoshi did a great job about it. And even then the world , characters and plot is so half baked it isn't even funny anymore.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 ah. I remember you. You were complaining about Deku in another video. I wonder why you bother with the series at all. And you’re not the only one.
The training arcs are garbage but MVA and War arc were actually praised in the manga (and rightfully so since it’s the kind of action people wanted instead of school shit.) Those came after all the boring festivals and school life post-Gentle
@@berilsevvalbekret772 The hell is a BNHA
I never understand the logic of “Hey let’s ruin this show people enjoy watching so we can make more money off it.”
That’s how you lose your audience and lose all your money.
Oh God this comment hits hard after Haikyuu announces 2 movies instead of a season 5.
@@vronji wait wtf, when? and bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This is just a terrible comment.
@@carloscauan7967 Dude, a single One Piece episode these days ends up having better animation than MHA for the last 3 years.
Bones clearly doesn’t care about the anime anymore.
@@vronji I think that’s fine because unlike my hero Haiykuu despite its good themes is mainly a sports anime that is games. With Haiykuu coming close to its last two arcs it’s fine to make it movies so they can step up the animation. Especially with the importance of the battle at the garbage dump and the future arcs.
I liked Shigi vs Redestro in the manga more because when Redestro delivers his lines about him realizing Shigi is the most liberated man, you have time to absorb it while in the anime he just says it real quick and that's it, but that's a problem that will always exist with anime vs manga.
after reading the manga, that scene stuck in my head to this day, while after watching the anime i don't even remember watching it.
Option 5, which is the most viable to me and possibly other people, is that whoever directs the anime just hates the villains. In fact, while a good amount of people complained about MVA in every country, even Japan, the general thing in Eastern countries seems to be that you follow the rules no matter what, and you don’t like people who are different in any way. This seems to have translated into the Japanese MHA fandom as well, because most of the Japanese fans LOVED the season BECAUSE of the switch and the metaphorical crippling of the League’s character development. I mean, it’s ranked the number 1 season at least in Japan, from what I have seen. Besides, the ONE moment in MVA that isn’t a still frame besides the entire Shiggy Vs. ReDestro fight is when Toga is transformed into Uraraka, and even THAT was toned down from what it could have been. An official Season 5 BNHA animator put their animation that they made for the Toga-Uraraka transformation scene that she nearly finished, and told people that she was told to scrap it, and they didn’t give her a proper reason why other than ‘Time Constraints’, which you already explained why that excuse doesn’t work. Looking at all of the evidence, this is the only thing that I will believe, especially because they don’t care about the season making money when they have the ‘Movie Money Grub deus ex machina’ to save their asses.
Yo can I see the animation
"- the general thing in Eastern countries seems to be that you follow the rules no matter what, and you don’t like people who are different in any way."
This, I think, is the biggest fundamental problem with MHA: the East's extreme pro-authority culture has ingrained itself into MHA so deeply that it warps both the story and the concept of Western superheroes.
TL;DR: Getting Eastern storytellers to try and make a Western superhero story was a *BIG* mistake and the series will age poorly because of it.
@@1992holycrap It's a story about the lives of Japanese superheroes inside Japan, not about Western superheroes. Just because the creator partially draws inspiration from Western superhero stories doesn't mean that MHA is one. Avatar the Last Airbender is also heavily inspired by Asian culture but it's still extremely American at its core, which looks odd to Eastern audiences.
You can criticize the storytelling, but storytellers taking inspiration from other cultures and making it into a new story set in their own culture isn't a mistake. It is just what's common and happens everywhere.
Hi! Do you know where I could find that animation?
*My lizard boy got shafted hard and I don't know how to process it*
They really did Spinner dirty in the MVA arc-it's really sad to see how much was cut. Like in MVA in the manga there was a lot of stuff introduced that added up later on into the arc. And the fandom was kinda robbed of that by a lot of MVA stuff being cut (especially considering how much really cool content and themes were not included in the anime thanks to chapter 220 being cut)
That's right. Wtf were Bones thinking? Just in this arc they screwed it up. It deserves another adaptation.
Greed of a dumb movie that doesn’t amount to anything since it can never break the status quo and a certain character got redesigned
Dude, you hit the nail on the head i'm very glad you made a video that put a lot of our thoughts into words. I hated that on Twitter, if you even dared to point out that the anime was mucking up; Spinner's character arc, animation quality, opening, LOV characterisation, important plot points, episode pacing, world building and general cut content then you were told that you were being dramatic, to wait it out and that you only cared so much bc you were a villain fan, as if people didn't get into an uproar for Bakugou's wonky face in one panel when he retook the license exam. I don't just care about the villains bc I like them, I care bc they are integral aspects to the entire plot and the message Horikoshi is trying to convey.
Mva deserved better imo. It had so much potential. That's the thing that bothers me a bit.
This was an amazing and well thought out video of how season 5 was handled. Very objective unlike Twitter. Awesome stuff! I look forward to more content and whatever else you choose to explore.
It's a shame that this had to season 5. Hell, that pointless beach/tie in episode or filler scenes like Endeavor fighting that villain with wheels quirk. Could've been used for MVA
One more thing involving heroes rising at 14:06. It doesn't take place after joint training it takes place after mva. I know this because in the film Nine says that Deku has multiple quirks, Shigaraki in all of the scenes that he's in can be seen wearing his prosthetic left fingers and thumb that wears after his fight with Re-Destro, and Toga can be seen wearing the coat she bought before her fight with Curious
Season 5 had 2 unnecessary filler episodes that could've been dedicated to the My Villain Academia arc. Instead, we got the glorified recap in the first episode and a movie tie in episode in the middle of the Endeavor Agency Arc.
Unfortunately, if I have my facts right, the recap episode we get every season is mandatory for the contract that they have with the TV company or station or whatever that airs MHA in Japan. MHA is aired on a channel and time meant for kids so they probably want to make sure the kids watching are reminded of who everyone is and what they do at the start of each season and get some anime original content in for people to tune into and see something new. The part about it being on a kids channel also contributes to the censorship that happens a lot.
Or the two filler episodes could have just been the Aizawa Story from Vigilantes to set up the Kurogiri twist.
In the anime, MVA didn't seem like much to me- just "Oh, I guess we're taking a look at what the villains are doing now for a bit." Re-Destro didn't seem like an important character; it felt like we were just getting an explanation for what's happening behind the scenes. Seeing what was missing, the quick pacing, and the importance of this arc to the manga, I'm inclined to agree that they messed up what should have been a major, interesting change that fleshed the villains and world out even more.
After watching season 5 and this video, I'm glad that I started reading the manga after season 4 and experienced MVA and Joint Training for the first time through the manga with none of the issues the anime adaptation introduced.
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Thank you for the analysis, it was really complete and well thought, and it helped me understand what bothered me. I was disappointed by S4 and really feared what would become of S5 when they announced it. When there was the covid, the date was postponned, and I thought "it's ok, i'd rather they take their time and make something amazing for my favorite arc (MVA), I could even wait years". When the first part was released I thought it was good, but I wanted to see Shigaraki. Then I saw the reversed arcs. And the new opening. Oh god, the song is great but the animation ? The story board ? I mean come on hype us up a little, even if there are spoilers, it never stopped other shonens.
I decided to wait the end of the whole season before resuming where I left. I tried not to look at social medias to really have my opinion, to have a few good surprises (a new opening, please lord). I mentally prepared myself for the worst. In the end I was pretty happy (I really thought it would be terrible), and at the same time a little confused by the decision the higher up took. Another movie ? Fillers episode ? Flashbacks ? Deleted content ? This ugly ass opening (very personnal)
At this point I would like to know who exactly took those decisions, and why, because it makes me a little sad to be happy for something that is rather mediocre. At least the manga is still here, still very good, and I can't thank enough Horikoshi and his skills as a mangaka.
In the end I'm sorry if I ranted a little. I'm happy you made this video and I want everyone to stay positive, we don't know what will happen for the future, and we can remember what we liked in S5. (i really like the new ost for mha , and shigaraki's origin story was really well done imo)
And crazy thing MVA was the most viewed episodes of season 5
And the most well received, with the last two MVA episodes (Shiggy's backstory and awakening) in particular being the only episodes to get over a 9 on IMDb.
@@MrEdit-ic7th It's basically just that watchers who didn't know shit about manga don't compare it to the manga, making it pretty good overall
While you said not to criticize the animation, their needs to be at least some discussion about it because their clearly was thought and effort put into some scenes and disregard for others. My main point being the ABSOLUTE SAKUGA allotted to the Iida vs. mudman and that weird scene with Uraraka grabing the charm. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO OFF in those moments, like DAUM! While it was beautiful animation I other more worth while scenes (The cut Toga fight) and the final fight against Shigaraki vs. Redestro and the whole Tenko Shimura origin would have been better suited for some better animation right?! Those scenes could of had much more of an impact if the looked better instead of one-off moments that are forgettable. I honestly feel like the animation budget (in regard to what the Sakuga was used on) was scuffed this season aswell, and honestly leaves me hesitant to continue with the show when THEY KEEP BUTCHERING MY BOI!!!!
I was expecting MVA to take up half the season...
Ever since mukai became director the direction in mha anime has been seriously lacking.
you're wrong + ratio
@@Thetom5000 I agree with him. Nagasaki is more experienced director and attracts more free lancers. As for mukai he doesn't have that much experience with anime like mha I don't think he was suited for this position
@@Thetom5000 omg bones merchant rationed me 😱😱. You must be payed heavily
@@erenandlelouch9173 oh you're one of those, i actually agree with all the points in the video lmao, but Mukai is way better director than Nagasaki
Just got recommended this, I think GRRM has the best guidance on this topic "The book's the book and the show's the show."
Good video, earned my sub.
While I loved what was adapted, I’m still pretty devastated and disappointed over how much they butchered the MVA arc to fit the remaining episodes of the season. I haven’t read that part of the manga properly yet, but the list of differences from manga to episodes on the MHA wiki and in this video was pretty shocking to see. So much interesting looking stuff was cut.
The executives not liking the idea of the main characters not being in so many episodes in a row and the Agency arc lining up with the upcoming 3rd film are the possible reasons I believe in the most. I love the first 2 movies, but messing with the story flow just to advertise a movie that weren’t very plot impacting to begin with is pretty dumb.
I wouldn’t even mind the order mix-up if, there could have been a way to make it work. Like let the MVA arc continue on into the next season. As I think most of the final episodes of each season feel like blatantly simple bridges to the next season than proper season finales. But that’s just me.
Makes me wanna check out that arc in the manga sometime soon. I’m really curious on how much they butchered this arc for the anime.
Nicely done video overall.
The one element i keep missing in every single analysis is simply COVID. We know Jump sent their artists home during the pandemic, leading to a radical shit in production. Why wouldn't it impact the anime? And specifically, the thing people come back to with work-from-home is that it's harder to communicate. A lot of the seasons' problems seem to come back to communication, like the setup for the sushi joke missing entirely. It's like writing and production for one episode didn't know what the other was supposed to cover. But other than that, #4 is definitely the main reason: the OP shows 1A in it's entirety and gives each a duo shot for several seconds despite barely being in the cour. The villains get primarily group shots despite being a much bigger part of the season. Even something as simple as Shigaraki decaying the MHA logo, practically tailor-made for the anime, is left out. The anime is clearly working with it's brand in mind, and does not like anything that strays from it.
As an anime only, and manga reader up until Redestro appearance, I liked Season 5 better than I did Season 4. But I can totally see where a manga reader is coming from with how the suspense was basically absent. Maybe the production company wasn't confident in the "up down" pacing that these 3 arcs provided so they swapped the arcs to ramp up the suspense linearly. Maybe I wasn't watching close enough but I didn't even know the MVA arc happened before the Endeavor Agency arc so I was under the impression that chronologically the villians got stronger AFTER the Heroes. My ignorance made the MVA arc better because I genuinely thought one of the LOV members wasn't going to make it out. Overall I think Bones played the hand they were dealt, and I would read the manga but if they're going to war I much much rather watch it animated. Especially since bones does a beautiful job with action scenes.
For me, the only problem with this season was the cut content (I think that they adapted the MOST essential parts for the story going forward, and I think what got was adapted pretty well for the most part). While this is a downside to the anime version, I was able to solve this problem by reading the stuff I missed in the manga, simple as that. It really helped me appreciate the anime version more. I really don’t think this season is “bad” at all, but I would say it’s also not the best either. Personally, it’s my third favorite season behind 4 and 2.
I didn't watch the movie in theaters just cause of how they butchered mva
I think the whole capitalism thing is what a lot of people mean when they bring up MVA's poor reception. Or at least that's how I always framed it.
The funniest thing to me when the season was airing and I was watching with my family was the second op.
I knew the villain arc was coming up and I was excited, I liked them already and wanted to see what a villain-centered arc would be, and then the opening comes on:
“Wow, wow, it’s alright.
Everything will be alright.”
I laughed. It felt like they were trying to comfort a small child that their favorite heroes would come back and it wouldn’t be scary for long.
(Which given future event makes it even FUNNIER)
Still, wish they leaned into the ‘villain’ aspect more
I think the "adaptation is not recreation" argument is fundamentaly flawed, becouse peope understand re-creating wrong. If I think of a re-creating something, I think of it the same way re-drawing something works. I'm an artist, and re-drawing is rather popular. Most of the time we eather re-draw our own old art, sceenes from shows we like, or other artist art in so called "draw this in your style" challenges. Here is the thing about re-drawing: you do it in YOUR style. Most of the time you try staying as close to the original as possible, yes, but you still but your own flair, your own personal note into it. It becomes unmistakably a new piece. So technically, what MHA did with moving the arcs around, is exactly what people argue MHA didn't do. It was Re-Creating. Not Adapting. It was putting it's own spin on something.
Adapting is converting something to a new medium, while staying as close to the original as posible. For example by adapting an art style from traditional to digital, while making it look as identical to the original traditional style as possible. The goal of adaptating something is literally to get as close to the original as possible.
Re-creating something is changing little things here and there. Like the art style, or the order of story arcs. RE-creating. Making it a new thing.
People are right, adaptation is not recreating, just not in the way they think. At this point MHA the anime is not beeing an adaptation, it's closer to a recreation.
That beeing said, those two (adaptation and recreation) are soooo close together, that pinning them against each other is ultimately null and void. The through line is basically just that, only speaking for story structure, an adaptation tries it's best to leave the story arcs in the other the source material put them, and a recreation allows you to be a bit more creative and shovel them around.
For example, an adaptation of Alice in wonderland would never start with Alice landing in the queens garden, that would change her entire starting motivation, but a recreation could. (And a retelling could basically do whatever and make Alice a serial killer murdering everyone in wonderland xD)
I find it hilarious how we spend all this time focusing class 1-B and how great their powers are only for like half of them to be completely useless in the war arc.
Personally I feel reason 4 actually could tie into the movie theory, not because the movie would make sense but how it was the best arc to put the filler episode to advertise the movie. I say this because if they worried about the focus of the main three characters, they could've shoved MVA in the middle, make it short, and then use the rest of the season to focus on Deku, Bakugo, and Todoroki.
Really good video btw