How MHA Fumbled One Of Its Most Anticipated Arcs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- My Hero Academia recently tried to do a plotline about Shoji, Spinner, and the heteromorphs in general. How did it do? Let's dive deep into not just MHA but real world history to find out.
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AFO indirectly helping “solve” racism by bringing this issues into the eyes of the government (AKA the police and pro heroes) is quite possibly the funniest thing on MHA
Afo truly is the symbol of peace after all
The Heroes should just let him cook fr
Even his power is the symbol of equality, my boy can take and give anybody any power, therefore making them completely meaningless as status symbols lol
Afo, what a hero you are
@@pisaschitt787 “thank you for becoming the demon king for our sake”
Imagine if Hori showed how a lot of top pro heroes aren't mutants because they're not marketable, it would've been great commentary and even show some pro heroes joining this cause because of how the system actively screws them over
That would have been great subtle example.
The funny thing is he kinda did this with Gang Orca and the “looks like a villain” ranking. But he seemed to forget
Considering Hawks was supposed to be a birdheaded mutant but got changed because of an editor it would be pretty meta.
Honestly I thought that what he was doing considering how few mutants are in the top ten except for maybe wash? And Gang Orca whose labelled as the number one hero that looks like a villain or something.
Plus a lot of the Villains in the early parts of Mha were mutants so I thought it was intentional to show how they are clearly being pushed towards villainy
@@RohanSlayer_ to be fair, even with the whole "looking like a villain" thing, he still used to be the N10 hero
This plotline would have been 100% better if they tweaked Shoji’s line of reasoning to be about how the people’s actions aren’t the problem, but rather how they’re being manipulated by All For One and villains for their own gain. It would have felt less awkward and provided a good real-life allegory for politicians who weaponize protests for their own purposes.
I will give it some credit, at least my favorite underrated boy Shoji got some backstory and spotlight, so that was nice.
plus make him remove AFO's influence over the masses by becoming the leader of the protests after spinners defeat as a showcase of the new gen taking the torch and marching to a better future
Ya'll making me sad because that's better than what we got :')
Lmfao this is a manga about super powers dumy😂why tf you expecting “real life allegories🤓” like huh😂? How can y’all shit on something for something that is Litteraly not even the focus of this show. Or even that part of the arc. It’s Litteraly a shonen manga made for young boys y’all are fkn trippin to think horikoshi gonna dive into a psa about how “racism bad! 🤓good allegories yes yes🤓👌🏽”
@@JesusLopez-cg2gqare you a child? The series from it premise is a critique of society as a whole "not all men are created equal", this arc is the climax of all the narrative plot points that have been building since the very beginning of the story, specially the 5th season with the meta liberation arc.
I'll give you credit that this isn't gonna be an in depth critique given that it is marketed for young boys, but despite it, that shouldn't condemn it to be as simplistic as you're making it out to be.
No you see Shoto called him that not because he's a mutant, but because he's a cop
BASED SHOTO??
@@AsarathaHSYT based just like zoro
@@AsarathaHSYTthis has confirmed it wow
how is this a good thing?
@@joshuaanderson7027thats wat im saying this channel is just leftist shilling
what was he cooking
quirk meth.
You just know Horikoshi added this racism angle as an afterthought when Deku - the quirk-loving fanboy who has thoughts and gushes over everybody's quirks - never once had any noteworthy reaction to the mutation-type students. No thoughts: nothing on their history, no scenes where he's connecting with those in his class and making them feel comfortable around his genuine admiration of them. Almost like they weren't designed that way in the setting to begin with.
Well I mean... The sports festival and training camp with tokoyami and shoji to an extent. But other than that you right.
Usj attack when he learned about tsuyu's quirk? She's a mutant by the way
@@stevenquartzcutiepiedemayo8272the problem with those (and Tsuyu), is that it always was a "individual" problem, not a structural one.
Tokoyami had a problem with controlling the shadow, Tsuyu didnt like the "ugly" aspects of her frog based quirk.
At no point it was shown as something "they are having problems because of their type of mutation", more a "athletic girl doesnt like to use tank tops because she has a complex from when someone made fun os her muscles".
I never even realized it was meant to be a thing since I stopped after the war arc first started. Like in the world of MHA, everyone's just kind-of a freak or everyone knows someone who looks weird or does something crazy. Why would I think mutants are discriminated when the principle is literally a talking rat and everyone just kind-of rolls with it? Heck, most of the characters have some obvious weird aspect to their design, it feels more unusual for someone to NOT have a visual callback to their quirk at this point.
Even Ochaco has the weird finger things, right? The only people I'd really say look 'normal' in 1A are Deku, Bakugou, and Denki. You could argue Todoroki, too, but even he has the weird hair thing, right?
What your saying sounds like youre expecting him to give mutants PREFERRENTIAL treatment. We do see Kamui Woods and i believe Gang Orca in his notebook. But not only are the majority of people "normal" looking, even mutants tend to be "mostly" normal, like Tsu, Hawks, Miruko, Rykyu, Ojiro, Wild Pussycats, etc. He isnt not representing them in his studies, there just arent as many
Id say Deku treats them exactly like he treats literally everyone else, and in settings like the Sports Festival, his commentary on them is neither more or less than everyone elses
"When mutant quirks popped up, people realized that people of different skin color weren't so different".
Listen I wanna see a world where racism and other prejudice is gone, but that's giving humanity too much credit.
That's why the racism and prejudice shifted to quirks lol
I can kind of see this happening irl. Remember post 9/11? Even POC got swept up into the patriotic ferver for a while. And then things went right back to normal for us.
@@kap1618Be used doesn't mean being equal. There was this famous case of a guy nazi general who believed in the values of nazism. Soon after his superior died, he was executed by his own subordinates for being gay. Same reason why racist cops like black cops. As long as you're of use to further their bigotry they'll love you.
People already hate each other for the dumbest reasons. Even if quirks where real most people probably wouldn't like being near someone who can blow them up like nothing. There'd be a lot more people like overhaul.
@@kap1618 except that just translated into racism against middle eastern people
Hori after solving racism in 5 chapters: writing 100
I really think that they should've maybe shown in detail & mention multiple riots in other countries in the name of mutants being treated as equal. It would've shown just how bad things were in the world.
Another thing, Shoji's lack of solution other than "play nice" is representative of MHA's problems as a whole (and even other shonen like Naruto before it).
We have a bunch of villains that are simply a result of a broken society with ignorant/corrupt leaders. Deku (and Naruto) eventually become wise to this, and want to do something about it.
But they never actually come up with an answer. Deku has decided to "save" Shigaraki, but he really has no clue how the hell to do that. So far he only has the short term goal of saving him from All For One. When directly ASKED he plans to do about the corruption around him by Nagant, Deku admits he has no idea what to do... but before he could think of it any further, AFO blows up Nagaint, once again steering all focus towards the walking tumor man. This happened in Naruto. Pain asks the hero straight up what he's gonna do about all the problems surrounding him. Naruto says he doesn't have an answer but someday he will. By the end... we never get Naruto's answer. We just get another time skip to skip over all that crap, so we can see how great everything is now.
And I fear MHA is heading in that direction. At best. Because, unlike Naruto, MHA seems to be stubbornly trying to tell us the status quo is best. Any time we're supposed to question our heroes, he back tracks HARD. It either turns out they never did anything wrong, or they quickly get a redemption. I get the feeling nothing will change by the end of MHA. The Hero System will work the same. Villains will still be treated the same. We'll just try a bit harder to redeem them.
Like most villains in this manga you have mental health issues jail abuse victim jail literally no one benefits from this world
Like 50% of people would be in jail for have mental illness
@@milesrogers7402 Twice is great example of this, taking care of his mental health instead of shoving him in jail would have prevented jin from becoming twice.
@@coca_0146 same with shigaraki if someone helped him at any point before meeting all for one
Most of the main characters wouldn't dead or horribly injured
Hilarious that Shoji tries to push the code of ethics of the heroes (the superpowered cops that were ignorant to the suffering of mutants) as if they are some all-knowing group that should be seen as an example of excellence, onto the oppressed that have suffered thanks in large part to the ignorance of the heroes themselves.
It's a shame that Horikoshi can't stay true to the theme of his own series. A significant problem that translates into this video is that there just too many characters he wrote in. I completely agree with everything you said in your All For One video. MHA wants to end like Naruto.
At this rate, it will end worse than Naruto tbh lol
@@roman108 At this point Attack on Titan’s ending will probably look better compared to How My Hero Academia’s going to end
@@toadlord8594 AoT's ending was conceptually fine. It just needed more than the equivalent of ten minutes in anime time to conclude - something I believe the final season will rectify
This man once said he wanted to surpass One Piece. Fuck around and find out I guess.
@LJ He actually said that? If so, he must've lost steam.
It's the same issues over and over again. Every plot points that was foreshadowed in the previous arcs are addressed too late and being resolved too quickly. If only Villain Hunt pacing isn't rushed as hell
This is a problem in all media, where the protagonist who is meant to be "right," only spouts meaningless platitudes while the "villain," are the only ones with solutions. Even bad ones are better than nothing.
I hate a whole lot of this plotline's handling.
But a thing no one seems to bring up ever (and I'm glad you touched on it) is the whole set up (other than AFO, who already makes this awful). The way Hori tells us these people are wrong is by having them attack a hospital. But, like, why would rioters attack a hospital? It has nothing to do with their cause, right? Well, it's because Kurogiri is in there. Alright, that's... alright?
BUT WHY IS KUROGIRI THERE?!
The heroes MUST HAVE known AFO would want one of his prized Nomu back! Also, Kurogiri is a dangerous villain in his own right! Sure, they managed to find traces of his old self in there but it's still hella risky placing him in a hospital filled with civilians! So why?! Why did the heroes keep him there? For all their prep, that seems like a really huge oversight!
Well, I'll tell you why. It's for the sake of having these "villains" attack a hospital filled with innocent people inside. Because if they were storming a prison or some secret hero lab/base, it'd be all the easier to not see them as so bad. And Hori can't have THAT.
He didn’t even need to do it too, the simple act of trying to free Kurogiri in of itself is the bad thing. You would think Shoji would be less like “Hey think about the people in the hospital!!” and more “Hey if you free this guy then All For One will LITERALLY CONTROL THE WORLD AND SCREW EVERYONE OVER”
Seriously, I was hoping if Kurogiri did return, it would be as shirokumo or like a split personality fighting between each other or shirokumo gaining full control but dying as too make sure another nomu could never be based off him. Wasted potential, but then again this only works if it had good passing in the later arcs
While i do agree its a convenient setup to have this forced moral quandary, they also had no where else to hold him considering Tartarus was in complete shambles and the heroes forces are enormously stretched thin to the point that most of the forces guarding the hospital are law enforcement. They don't have the luxury of time or options when its only been several weeks of complete societal upheaval and chaos across the entire country post the first war.
Its real easy to say they should've just moved them, but leaving any unsecure position just makes the remaining heroes easy targets to pick off via AFOs assassins which we see exist EVERYWHERE. There's a number of reasons why moving Kurogiri is likely impossible or infeasible.
@@TheCreed1217
They ain't THAT stretched thin. They're holding Gigantomachia SOMEWHERE. And you meaning to tell me they only got on prison/secret lab? That makes it even dumber!
@@ObaREX yes they are my guy, most of the people we saw guarding machia were no name pros and STUDENTS. THAT IS HOW STRETCHED THIN THEY ARE, also when ever were we shown they have another supermax prison capable of holding the worst prisoners in all of Japan? Tartarus is the only prison with that level of and layered security as far as we know. Plus there were nation wide prison breaks thank to those various escapees from Tartarus and AFOs entourage.
Please tell me with complete prison collapse, a very big shortage on secure places to store Kurogiri of all people, vigilantes in the streets and another war happening all over the country with far less heroes involved than before... where the fuck were they supposed to put him?? Couldn't be kept at UA, and if he was in the UA bunkers skeptic already hijacked those, we don't know what Shiketsu's security is like either. Like i get not evacuating the civillians from the hospital was stupid but the options to put Kurogiri anywhere else are very slim.
I think this arc is especially face palming after Villain Hunt arc WHERE WE LITERALLY HAVE GOVERNMENT ASSASSINS KILLING ANYONE WHO AGAINST STATUS QUO. This is more messed up and insidious while showing thay yeah, no, they have all justification for riot, because system is genuinely broken even before AFO.
Bakugo doesn’t say Mina has raccoon eyes he literally calls her Raccoon Eyes, that’s his nickname for her 💀
Nah bakugo bouta get cancelled gonna wish he stay dead
damn that's worse😭
The fact that taking away the eyes part is actually a irl racial slur is truly the most ignorant thing i've ever seen in manga in a long while.
@@mistake1197 bro got called a raccoon 😭
God I wish someone called him out on that
The fact Horikosh already had the perfect analogy for minority groups in the series wich is quirkless people(that contrary to mutants are shown to suffer discrimination since the first chapter) yet chose to use mutants specificaly because unlike quirkless people they don't look like humans already made me expect this kinda of thing from this plotline since its begging.
What's even better is that quirked people were the minority to quirkless in the beginning, so it would further show to just. Not be racist, lmao.
I feel that Quirkless People deserved a MUCH bigger look throughout the entire series, especially with Deku
The whole point of the setting is that nearly everyone has a Quirk, even if the quirk is small or not that powerful, they have something special that they can do
Superpowers are common, and are more like skills that can be trained and made stronger
It's the people who are stuck with no Quirks that struggle, because they are no longer the "Basic" Human, the "Basic Human" is someone who has some form of a Quirk
It was a bit strange that they had midoriya bring up that no one is born equal yet don’t have that be part of his motivation
Holy shit, just imagine the concept of quirk less people rebelling. We know that they are bullied as kids, Deku no longer sees anyone else who is like him, Quirks are far superior for jobs because there are literal quirks for the same.
You could think of employment where despite some jobs having nothing to do with a quirk they're not accepted, the best schools and colleges in Japan being primarily hero oriented institutions which leaves the quirkless in the dark.
Of course, it's impossible for the quirkless to overthrow the quirked society, they lose by majority and the suppressing units are much more effective with quirks. There is no end to their suffering.
Their miserable lives lead to suicides (dwindling the already hated minority), hell, you can even harken back to the worst thing Bakugou had done in the series.
And then.... you have a man who can give you a quirk, for absolute free...
The mutants crowd included, crowds of people that don't blindly believe in heroes in MHA have generally been portrayed as being in the wrong too. There's been the first press conference back during Kamino, the second one after the first war arc with that journalist lady yelling at Endeavor, the people in the streets after the end of the first war taking things into their own hands by using support items, the crowd outside of UA when Izuku came back to school. All arguments they present, whether good or bad, get completely discarded on the basis of the civilians' attitude for daring to... let me check my notes... lose trust in the heroes that have until now seemingly protected them without issue now failing to prevent major events like a massive prison breakout, entire cities getting reduced to rubble, and all these people are also just now learning about horrific deeds that were covered up to protect the shiny status quo, like the current number one hero abusing his family to the point that his oldest son became a villain.
Nah, no valid concerns whatsoever here, especially since the immediate aftermath of the war totally didn't show the suffering these civilians went though when they lost their homes, when people were hurt and when some heroes gave up on being one in the face of all of this. Which Uraraka witnessed, and never acknowledged after the fact either like she could have in, let's say, her speech about the relationship between heroes and the public? "Only heroes get dirty?" Girl, you were THERE when that little girl was trying to dig her sibling out of the rubble and almost got crushed to death in the process.
I'm just really not fond of the way civilians get portrayed as either a blind entity having complete faith in the system, lavishing it in praise, or when they dare to question things, turning in this yelling, menacing blob of people that need to be talked back into following the right path and believing in the right people, because the alternate methods that they try to find to 100% relying on heroes get criticized and showed as only creating more trouble (i.e. the passage when they fight back with support items and it, of course, goes wrong immediately because they didn't let the nice heroes clean things up for them.)
NOTE: that last point is not me debating whether or not other methods of dealing with villains are efficient, just me bringing up that the people trying to look for alternative methods are portrayed as being in the wrong for not leaving it to the heroes, that they understandably don't trust anymore.
Might just be a Japanese thing where sticking out from the group and going against the status quo is a death sentence, idk.
"spinner this attack will set our cause back by 30 years" just felt a little off to me. This entire subplot is extremely interesting to me but so undercooked. I wish horikoshi expanded this idea more throughout the series because this deviation from the main plot just feels jarring. It's so tone deaf in what its trying to tell and just screams "RAHHHH RACISM" while acting like the story made an attempt to give more depth to these societal concepts. Marvel told a better mutant discrimination storyline better like there is no reason to drop the ball like this.
not sure they did better just had far more time really.
The thing that really gets me is in this video he portrayed the mutant protester side as the just one even if horribly befuckled and shoehorned in and Shoji as a dumb kid when Shoji really just said *hey guys the public is gonna see this as a violent attack that will literally fuel fear of us and discrimination against us under the guise of protecting the people and quelling a threat, you have literally seen this your entire lives how are you not getting it*
Like realistically the mutant protesters are valid in their suffering but they’re lashing out instead of handling it better and Shoji literally said thats going to do the opposite of what they want but for some reason Shoji not having a solution is him being a dumb kid while an angry mob attacking a hospital with the goal of war is a perfectly valid step to peace and coexistence despite the fact that they would almost definitely just be putting others under them to suffer revenge instead of actually working on reforms and going towards living in peace
Also *WHY THE FUCK WAS KUROGIRI NOT BROKEN OUT WITH THE OTHERS? ARE YOU REALLY TELLING ME AFO AND THE LEAGUE COULD GET INTO TARTARUS AND 7 OTHER PRISONS AFTER BUT THEY COULDN’T GET THEIR MAGIC FUCKING WARPING GUY?! THERE’S NO REASON THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD TO MARCH ON THE HOSPITAL FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE*
Shojis kind and gentle nature could have been used as an advantage in this arc but it made him look stupid
"Won't someone think of the property!"
Imagine an entire arc dedicated to showing this. Like, maybe Spinner is trying to drum up support by targeting politicians who support anti-mutant laws and so Deku, Shoji and Koda have to team up with a mutant superhero to protect the politicians. There Deku can learn just how messed up the system is, how prevalent racism is still, can build up Spinner garnering support for his movement and also can explore how the heroes who are a part of this system could actually change it for the better. Like, build up a Shoji Vs Spinner conflict so that all this happening now doesn't feel so rushed and carries actual weight to it.
See, we HAD time for all these types of arcs, until MHA got thrown into a dystopian war shounen...
19:03 Pink Lives Matter #BakugouIsOverParty
should've been cancelled by episode 1.
your understanding of real life issues is so refreshing. i (almost) never hear actual substantiated societal issues being taken seriously in this fandom, especially racism. you earned a new sub w this one my dude.
Not gonna lie Disgustus is a based name.
Sounds like a Nurgle demon.
Only Horikoshi could manage to make it so that the "bad guys" in this arc that are an allegory for racism/discrimination are actually in the right (whilst the good guys' philosophy are objectively in the wrong, even by the story's standards)
holy shit man lmao
I’d like to see your POV of how the heroes are actually in the wrong with keeping society in check and etc. Of course there are problems with the hero association and even the number 1 hero, Endeavor currently has shady shit he has done to his family in the past but they’re currently trying to redeem themselves for it by doing the better good. The people who’re being discriminated in My Hero Academia have a good reasoning of actually fighting back towards this and rebelling but that doesn’t mean they’re in the right lol. No side is innocent or good but one has more of right than the other.
Btw by the first sentence I’m not saying racism towards mutant Quirks that has happened in My Hero are one of the things are in actual check and good. Just bringing that up because the heroes are right in this war in general compared to the villains.
I think Horikoshi was rushed since the War Arc is the finale of the manga company wanted it done soon so Horikoshi didn't have enough time to pace out the sub-plots within the War.
This is no different than your basic marvel movie.
@@meguminsimp1065The issue of MHA is somewhat highlighted by what you just said. All these problems hitting the boiling point are not inherently the HEROES fault. The issue is that quirk discrimination, quirkless discrimination, mistreatment of villains, lack of mental health care, lack of support for dangerous or damageing quirks (think toga and shigaraki), and government corruption are SOCIETAL and CULTURAL problems. But, the Heroes are used as scapegoats--they are blamed as the creator of these problems, perpetrator of these problems, and the ones SOLELY responsible for changing and fixing ALL of it.
The real answer is societal overhaul. It is an in world problem that Heroes alone are being blamed and forced to do everything about it.
Yet, Horikoshi continues to just...make the Heroes the only guilty party, and have to fix it all alone.
You are correct that Hero problems are case by case, like Endeavir. Socially, maybe the fame and fortune got out of hand, but even a model who's a part time Hero saves more people than the lazy jerk screaming about it from their couch. But they are not wrong to be kind of specialized police to handle the new world if specialized powers
I'd never heard of that Popper quote until now, incredibly powerful. Always something I had in my mind but could never actually verbalize as well as they did. Like the stereotypical teen's room, if you leave trash on the floor too long - eventually it just becomes part of the environment until someone breaks the stagnancy and sparks action.
Great video Asa, hope this becomes a video commonly recommended by people as the prime explanation of the failings of this mini arc. #DISGUSTUSSWEEP
Yeah when this was sprung up in this arc I just really felt him trying really hard to make Shoji not blatantly push trying to be a model minority, but still basically having him do it 😅
Hands down one of the worst and out of place arcs that was written by Hori
it can only redeem itself if the current storyline of afo endeavor hawks toga ochako will be handled perfectly...if bakugo somehow will remain death or have crazy backlog for his bs fakeout death...deku actually become a character and not a ofa user that doesnt think abt shit...if shigaraki fkn take control...if shigaraki redemption is handled well and if the ending its good cuz rn the arcs it a 5 out 10 carried endeavor hawks vs afo and hori drawings
The Equalists from Legend of Korra, The White Fang from RWBY and now the Mutants from My Hero Academia. So many series have tried and failed to tackle racism allegories it's almost disheartening. Especially when you start thinking what they could have done in hindsight. What would the proper method be?
To actually do research on civil rights movements across history instead of inciting the fear of retribution from marginalized groups. Not telling marginalized groups to stay quiet and hope their oppressors stop oppressing as a solution. Understanding that these issues are systemic and not just individual acts of being mean. Not writing people wanting equal rights and treatment synonymous with murderers/villains.
What's funny is that even the X men later got this right. When was the last time Magento was the main villain. Even Cyclops works with him now.
The Jack Kirby and Stan Lee method
listening to actual minorities, two of those examples were by white dudes, the other was by a japanese man in japan
This us a very solid and well thought out take. Horikoshis world is so vibrant, but the lack of real world application makes that vibrance into a unconvincing veneer.
(If you cant tell, this is the video that made me subscribe)
Bro, thank you. At this point I'm just glad this plot point is over. I hope the anime doesn't include this garbage content, because it blatantly insults marginalized people amd flies in the face of everything hori wrote before including with the villains because he's essentially saying society is fine and your just being too angry, which is antithetical to everything in the villan arc. I love my hero, I own most of the volumes, but If I ever buy the volume this shit is in it will be to laugh and mock it.
I also don't think hori is racist, I just think he doesn't care about my hero anymore, I think he's tired, jaded, and just trying to get it over with.
Great video, love how you handled this topic! To this day, one of my biggest pet peeves about MHA is its refusal to introduce more Quirkless characters. We only have Izuku, All Might and Melissa (who only appears in one movie and never in the manga) as well as maybe Tsukauchi since I don't think he's confirmed to have a Quirk, despite supposedly 20% of the global population being Quirkless. Hell, even if we didn't see more Quirkless characters we could at least get some explanation as to why that is. Like maybe Japan has a particularly small Quirkless population due to the commercialisation of heroes leading to Quirkless discrimination and the Quirkless offing themselves more and more with each generation. So even if 20% of the global population is Quirkless, Japan's population may only be 5% Quirkless, and even then Izuku's generation is only 1% Quirkless due to the rise of discrimination.
Aoyama was Quirkless lmao
And possible Shigiraki, although not confirmed
@@Mr_AntiSocial That's true, I forgot about Aoyama
kinda weird how all the quirkless people in MHA have quirks........
You know what? this video give me a new perspective not only to this part of the manga but a new perspective in a real life issues
I didn't even see the issues with this section of the final arc, so thank you for explaining why everyone is upset:)
I mean it would make sense they would be discriminated cuse of their looks......but we never saw that in the whole manga and there are even more heros that look hella weird
Reminder that one of the mutant genocide incident (that was never shown or mentioned before) is named after a star wars' reference. That's messed up
Funny how Mina or tsuyu have never faced any discrimination despite their looks
@@carlweeper7436 same with tokoyami
People tend to say that MLK jr was anti-violent. He wasn't. He was just non-violent there's a decent sized difference there.
How to solve rasim
MHA: get over it.
Just want to applaud your handling of this subject matter and your willingness to pull real world examples rather than abstracting the issue. Truly well done.
Also can't stop smh at how thoroughly AFO's continued existence in the manga has infected otherwise great potential in the series.
So much potential just thrown in at the last minute doesn’t work in the grand scheme of things And at this point shoji just isn’t worth it at all anymore
Totally agree that this mini arc was undercooked and had ignorant/naive messaging, which is so unfortunate given how well Hori did drip-feeding aspects of the discrimination plot for years.
I do find it interesting though that Spinner technically did achieve the goal they set out in waking up Kurogiri. I might just be hitting the copium too hard, but maybe Hori will circle back on the discrimination plot like he's doing with Dabi and Endeavor? Not really sure where else it could go from where he left it though, it did feel pretty finite...
the word to describe it is "rushed" (and no wonder, having a "discrimination and a take on the nature of rioting" as a b plot that is only adressed and solved in two to five issues is a recipe for not going in deep enough and get only at surface level).
Things would have been better if we were shown for the violence to marinate, show peaceful protests here and there, show that there are some minor changes here and there, but nothing truly major... that would mean that not only the mutants have been trying to create change through other means instead of jumping straight to violent riots, there has been results but not fast enough: then you create not only sympathy for the mutants, understand the ones that jump into violence because they are done with patience, and show why there are still mutants believing in peace because they believe that in the long run they can achieve more by peaceful means but they need to be a bit patient.
Then you have a complex situation: one fraction of the mutants is too scared to do anything, another fraction does believe peaceful coexistence is still possible another other side that has (rightfully) grown inpatient and fed up and initiate the protest and a tiny fraction that are just there to break things. This then are too complex to solve in 2-3 issues, but that is expected when addressing societal issues that represent somewhat the real world.
There is an argument to be made about peaceful protest and the harm that comes in the long run with violent protest, I believe in it as a pacifist, but you need to be careful and have tact with it and not giving time or focus will end up in:
-The people not understanding pacifism and that are fed up with discrimination as "the bad guys" (which is stupid, since they have every right to be angry)
-The pacifist being depicted as naive dummies that are lucky the plot is in their side (which does more harm than good when depicting pacifism)
I love the acknowledgement of how well done the todoroki plot is. Genuinely one of the most layered plot lines in general, let alone a subject like abuse.
Idk about general, but it’s by far the best and only plotline in the series that hasn’t been ruined and is still pretty interesting.
so what ur saying is as MLK put it "riots are the language of the unheard".... 11:41 / 24:56
I can't wait for the day that American anime onlies see this plotline lol.
already got it in the x-men.
Damm, Hori is gonna get cooked so hard by Ani Twitter when this stuff gets animated.
why?
@@ProjektTaku why? This is awful. Lmaoo the way he even talks about racism is like a guy who hasn’t really dealt with it in his own home soil. This is like racism shown in a cartoon.
@@stevenmark4407 guess so, but not enough to rile up ani twitter.
Also, this is racism shown in a cartoon.
@Xbox One Peter, we’ve been over this. We need a third world war before a fourth one happens.
"Won't someone think of the property!"
I'm dying at that panel xD I can't believe this was drawn and I certainly can't wait for this too be animated in all it's glory x'D Man, MHA will have the dive of a century xD
I feel like, because it's a manga made for kids that it probably is one that needs to handle these topics better the most. Isn't the goal of stories we tell children beyond just simple entertainment to better their knowledge and scope of the world? Why then should stories made for kids be subjected to a lower standard of criticism when the very thing at stake is the potential ideologies and world view of the next generation? That's my think piece on it at least
I think this is the result of having centrist politics. MHA leans a bit left but not much it still feels very moderate in its beliefs.
@@kap1618 As a centrist I take some offense to that, but it's not unfounded criticism either😭
Litterally the only good thing about this arc was exploring spinners feelings towards shigaraki, the social commentory just exemplifies the word “clumsy”
Yeah, the stuff that has nothing to do with the discrimination plotline 😭 this entire shit show could have been skipped and just make it a one on one fight with Shoji
EXACTLY
Did shoji just talk no jutsu a whole army of grown ass adults.
Thank you so much for this video! I was just watching the Arknights anime and had similar thoughts about its depiction of the oppressed.
I forgot Shoto did that, yeah I guess it is racist against mutants.
I cannot believe that dude’s name was disgustus LMAO, he has one of the coolest designs in the whole manga I’m so sad he got wasted like he did
It's like Naruto all over again.
An anime that started off great, but starts to get bad in the end.
It feels like Horikoshi wants to be done with it.
That is the case. He was hopin' to end the series last year.
He feels like that too. Probably because he's in a horrible work condition and his health is suffering for it.
naruto didnt end bad sure the war arc had bad moments but overall we got amazing stuff in the war arc so that kinda balances it out for me perosnaly but thats just me
I entirely disagree that skin color based racism would *disappear* with the appearance of quirks. At the same time though wouldn't it be significantly reduced atleast?
Racist people's whole thing is "My race is superior" so id argue when people who look like actual Aliens pop up they would be more hateful towards them rather then people who look nearly identical to them but are a different color.
Like "hey you may be black but atleast you are not a LIZARD PERSON".
Doubt it tbh. It'd be more of a "Go sit over there with those other people, you two actually kind of look alike."
They dont discriminate because they need to. They do it because they want to. So if another group comes along for them to discriminate against, it's not going to turn into a 'ok you're off the chopping block, we're cool now.' it'll be more of a 'jesus christ, there's more of them and these ones are even worse.'
@@KyngD469 "these ones are even worse" was my exact point. If racist people experience heteromorphs they would be much more of an "issue" to them compared to whatever race they didn't like at first.
This is set in Japan...an overwhelmingly homogeneous culture. "Racism" as it is understood in the West is a non-issue there.
@@azathoth2679 I agree
Nope, racist people whole thing is "I don't like your race"
And since this is a world where quirk/mutation stir up the fate of the world, there would be no such thing as color-based discrimination since people wouldn't see skin color that much (except maybe before quirks were first appeared), even though the discrimination in the series can be used as an analogy to any kind of real-life discrimination
Imma be half joking when I say that The Misfit at The Demon Academy does a better job tackling racism then MHA.
Which demon academy?
Do you mean The Misfit Of Demon King Academy??
Great video. Fighting for your life and censoring yourself to not get the channel nuked.
I also don't think Hori is a racist, just very uneducated. It gives me the same vibe as those who say "if everyone stopped talking about racism it wouldn't be an issue anymore". Which is exactly what his teenage/young adult audience might slowly start believing after reading this subplot. Which is where the "it's just a shounen, it's not that deep" argument falls flat
Every time I question Horikoshi's writing decisions, I just remind myself to the fact that this is the guy who wrote how Mirio's and Hagakure's quirk works practically the same, yet only Mirio got the "costume made out of hair" treatment while Hagakure just HAD to stay naked.
By the way, it’s great too see how peaceful and rational the comments are :>
Shounen isn't even a genre, it's a demogrpahic. Berserk and Love is war is both Seinen
Oshi no ko is a seinen according to google
@@Nombrenooriginal huh, might've mistaken since it's in jump plus
@@naganut9718 nah is not an error, oshi no ko is totally a seinen
@@Nombrenooriginal no, I mean I'M THE ONE mistaken
@@naganut9718 oh
Dabi calling Spinner a lizard is wild to me given the mutant uprising arc.
The argument that "it's a shonen series" is ridiculous. One Piece, touch serious themes arc, after arc, Full Metal too, Hunter x Hunter give us a entire arc when we don't have hero or a villian basically. So, yeah, MHA is touch the surface, but don't have courage to go deep down. And this why, i like One Piece, because they run from any theme.
Chainsaw Man is pretty much about manipulation and finding joy in what you have.
I once thought this argument was valid
Yeah, but those series also don't really focus on the nuances of discrimination much.
@@fightingmedialounge519it shows discrimination, horrible people in power, corrupt government and genocide
@@therealboi3454 Not only show, but it's a major issue in the story. The main characters don't interact with these problems that much, but the writing is more realist when it shows that the other political figures in the world are trying to deal with it.
This video is great, but Man I hate this mini arc soooooooo damn much it’s painful lol
Just found your channel, and I have to say, I'm super glad I did. Just phenomenal in-depth analysis. I've been watching some of your other videos and I will eventually comment on those, but I wanted to start here first.
I think it's no surprise that this plotline - if you can call it such, barebones as it is - was poorly handled. MHA has a real problem executing on its deeper themes and ideas, and the heteromorph discrimination is a prime example of it. It always bothered me that the world of MHA is so...idyllic. A lot of people chalk that up to MHA being lighthearted as a whole, but honestly, the strength of the series has always been its elements of realism. Domestic violence, bullying, discussions of mental illness, discrimination -- those are very mature and relatable ideas which I found MHA handled better in some ways than its contemporaries, at least at the beginning of the series.
But those ideas are always thrown away in favor of the easiest, most immature solutions. In the case of the bullying, we only ever get to see what I would call a partial redemption arc. Bakugo eventually apologizes to Izuku, but he is never confronted for any of his poor behavior, never sees any consequences, never has any challenges where he would have to face his original problematic mindset. And worse, Izuku never has any feelings about the bullying himself. He admires Bakugo, but we don't get anything about how he actually felt as the victim. The bullying was often framed almost comedically.
The domestic violence and neglect that Shoto and his family experience at the hands of Endeavor was handled better, as Endeavor's abuse was pivotal to Shoto's character in the beginning of the series and Shoto's resentment of his father was obvious. Then it kind of became the Endeavor show, with Endeavor receiving a redemption arc and Shoto's character development falling by the wayside. Endeavor never sees any true fallout from the abuse, no real consequences.
In both cases, the deeper discussions of how victims of abuse deal with trauma is almost entirely swept under the rug. The resolution of both cases of abuse was simply to give the abusers redemption arcs, which, while a decent idea on paper, reads as an immature handling of the issue in practice. Simply make the abusers "better" people, then the issue is solved, which...is not the way it works and it does a disservice to the victims. But it is an easy way to conclude what should be an extremely nuanced discussion about abuse.
The heteromorph discrimination arc falls in line with this. What should be an extremely nuanced discussion is solved with immature handwaving. I think it's very telling that, aside from the mutant KKK we saw in the MVA arc, this is really the only time we've seriously touched on heteromorph discrimination and its fallout. I think you or some other commenter mentioned how interesting it would have been to see subtle examples -- like Gang Orca. Maybe he struggled to break into the top ten because he is a heteromorph. Or maybe he was the first full heteromorph to break the top ten. He could contrast well with Miruko, who, while she's a heteromorph, she and others like her (having some inhuman features but otherwise presenting as human) don't face the same levels of discrimination.
But again, this is no surprise. MHA has great ideas but almost always cannot execute them to their full potential. I do believe the reasons why it so often fails don't just come down to the writing -- I think it's an issue of culture and background as well. To your point about ethnic Koreans and Chinese facing discrimination in Japan, and so Japanese people should have an understanding of discrimination...I don't know if I agree. Just because a Japan does have a history of discrimination doesn't mean it has come to the same understanding that we as Americans have about it. This is a deeper discussion that I won't go into, but even the fact that the ethnic Korean and Chinese in Japan share a similar phenotype to the Japanese changes how the Japanese might view discrimination. They do not have the same basis that America has for discrimination -- discrimination often centering on skin color/phenotype -- so their perspective of discrimination and their history with it is most certainly going to be far different from an American one. In this case, I think that Horikoshi is aware of discrimination, but probably doesn't have the knowledge and understanding of how discrimination plays out, or how oppressed groups fought for and obtained rights.
And this is honestly a through-line that I've seen throughout this series. The issues I mentioned with abuse -- whether it's bullying, domestic violence, or the heteromorph discrimination -- stem, I think, from the fact that victims of abuse in Japan are often treated as though they are just as culpable for the wrong as their abusers. Or at least that victims must take just as much responsibility for righting the wrongs their abusers caused. You see that very prominently with Shoto's character, where he's trying to "right" the wrongs Endeavor caused with Dabi, and you also see it a little here. Of course, this problem is also made worse by the fact that MHA almost always resolves its more nuanced conflicts with the easiest, most immature answers, but I think that Japanese culture is also playing a large part.
Anyway, amazing video. You've become my favorite analysis channel and I look forward to more.
Back here after racism episode got a budget
What's sad about this is that Horikoshi gave himself too little time, in story to address all the things he put into the world building. If the story had to remain with Deku and co as students, it should have only concluded near the end of their 3rd year, giving us 3 in-universe years to work with.
As it stands no, he's sadly falling into the same narrative hole that the writers for Legend of Korra did, which is to introduce complexed and naunced concepts and ideas but not give them the time to be properly addressed or solved. Case in point, how when Korra defeats Amon and reveals he's a water bender, the entire Equalist movement just...dies as if all thier grievances and issues with the status quo meant nothing. She and the heroes then solve non-bender discrimination in Republic city off screen by electing a non-bender.
When it comes to people trying to claim that the MHA world is far more progressive them ours, that's false as Deku and All Might talk about how the introduction of quirks caused society to stagnant, so even over a 100 years in the future, thier society isn't all that different then ours, with all the flaws it comes with. This is also explored with Magne's plot line as she was a trans woman who didn't fit into society, so she joined the league to create one that would accept her.
With this mini-arc, I'm going to go with Horikoshi being tone deaf and misinformed then actually dismissive and malicious as while in South Africa, we cover our racist past well in schools, it's not the same all over as the US is famous for how much conservatives don't want to teach the whole history of thier discriminatory past, and instead teach a somewhat flawed and childishly simply version of events. Boondocks did an whole episode where MLK came back and he was essentially rejected by modern society because his white washed version that's parroted to the masses and used to downplay the goals and grievances of the oppresed was extremely different to how he actually was.
There is actual a fanfic called Where Monsters Hide which covers the mutant discrimination beautifully as it not only shows how such discrimination and hatred is not based in facts, so logical arguments can't destroy it.
It talks about how people can end up part of the system without realising thanks to a lack of knowledge or interest, how those trapped on the receiving end become criminals and outcasts just to survive and are then targeted by law enforcement, creating a false image of the oppresed as undesirables or criminals rather then a group that has no other feasible ways out.
It shows how the system is resistant to change, even positive change because it values order over justice, as when the Mutant leader makes his demands known, which were just the same rights as everyone else, the government and HPSC label him a villian, and then use that self imposed label as a way to disregard his words, doubling down.
It shows that doing nothing for the sake of moral purity, or denouncing or actively stopping others from doing someone immoral for the sake of positive change-is in fact a moral failing. You can't stop someone from trying to change something for the better, offer no real solution and pretend that you're better for it.
It forces Deku to accept that he's part of the problem as a hero, that he's view of the world is false, that the leader of this new anti society group isn't some power mad villain he can defeat without feeling bad about it, that these people are right to be angry, to get violent as that's the only method that can work when the system refuses every other way. As the leader of the oppresed group says to Deku during thier fight
_'You want so badly to be pure, to be certain that whoever you need to hurt today is the real evil. So you look desperately for the "truth," as if there's a single fact, some awful revelation about me that will settle your conscience and reassure you that you really are the good guy, after all. Well, there is no secret. I wear every compromise on my skin; I am not ashamed of the choices I've had to make, the mistakes that I carry with me. I am here, I am flawed, and I will destroy every lie you've ever clung to. I'll start with the lie that you were ever in the right.'_
Maybe it's a good thing Horikoshi likely isn't doing an arc on the quirkless and the discrimination they face. Because I can only imagine he'd trip over his own feet at the starting line.
Can you imagine if he had a character who was quirkless for most of his life and was bullied because of it?
It would be a real shame if that character held literally no grudges against those who had tormented him and his abuse was never really addressed...
Might also explain why asides Izuka, All Might, Melissa, and Yuga we never any quirkless characters throughout the entire series
God I wish we got a mutant student at u.a (maybe a polar bear?)
Who was introduced when they dressed up as a cheerleader outfit to defend the girls at the sports festival,
And when bakugou was chained up and muzzled, they go off on everyone, saying how the progress for mutant rights has been attacked and how it’s a trigger for them and others, “we learn that the student was muzzled and no one helped them, so they saved themselves”
This character could be a morally gray character and foreshadowing the fall of society and mutant discrimination (since what discrimination do we get in mha?)
And then hero society falls I see them, leaving u,a but unlike izuku… they don’t come back
They just want things to change for the better, but… everyone knows and doesn’t care “blame the hero’s”
It’s a insult to them and the others
We did it boys racism is no more!
When Shoji said that I immediately thought of the BLM protests. My mom basically said the same thing to me when I asked about it (I was like 12).
Even without the indepth explanation it just doesn’t make sense, racism based off mutations makes zero sense in a world like this- it should have been about the quirkless. Like cmon even the legends of korra managed to make a plot line like that work incredibly well.
#DisgustusSweep!!!!
That can't be his name 😭
It’s the despicable truth!
@@twicejaeger6997 Dabi reference
10:44 when I saw that plot, I immediately knew Hori Sensei was referring to BLM. Why I like MHA is because the creator tries to tell the readers about the societal issues. Note that he was publishing the story on JUMP, which the majority of readers are teenagers.
According to my Japanese friends, they tend to stay away from political issues and not discuss the societal issues, so seeing a Japanese mangaka created a story about these issues on a teenager magazine is truly amazing.
I do feel like the manga has sped over so many things just to finish it. I wont be surprised if the big wigs at the top want the manga to end or something
It wants to end, it was confirmed before that hori is speedruning the manga, but i don't blame him, having a fandom that send you death treats and being Overexploited must feel like shid
@@Nombrenooriginal yeah
Dude I was losing my mind at how people were eating this up on release.
I was legit like "... Am I the only one who see this as very off?"
At this point MHA is trying to be an half assed X-Men.
I'm French, we have a long history of beheading bad monarchs.
Imagine losing a logical argument against your own imagined villain that you yourself created.
That's Horikoshi when he created Disgustis. 19:30
my take on this is not that Hori is actually really ignorant on how violence is used against minorities but actually "editorial saw you want to add this big social commentary about opression and shit. don't."
Yeah I really wouldn't be surprised about that. Shonen Jump seems like they'd do something like that
Yeah, and I don't think he's a bad writer either, I mean, he's not perfect but he did create an interesting word with compelling characters, it's just that he doesn't seem to care about MHA anymore, like he just wants to end it as soon as possible, so he doesn't put much thought into it anymore.
Wow, I am always lucky with these. Right as I open TH-cam. Keep up the great work, Asa!
okay okay I don't want to jump to conclusions but didn't the black panthers not hurt any innocent people or destroy any property? yea they carried guns around and looked scary but that's based asf and non-violent. now I am not super educated in this topic so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they only used their guns if they caught the police being violent towards someone. thats just justice in the face of a corrupted system, which I agree with, not mindless attacks on people who don't deserve it. I generally think mindlessly violent protests like what happened with the BLM riots are wrong, but to prove that mindset wrong you showed an example that proves you can have a protest that uses justice and not meaningless property damage and random violent acts. shoji never said "shut up and be quiet and let people oppress you" he said "guys let's find a way to protest that doesn't include attacking innocent people at this hospital."
again, I could have information here wrong, and if I do, PLEASE correct me. I would like to have as much of an educated opinion as possible, but with the information I have been given so far it seems like what shoji said was not inherently incorrect.
its so typicall they had to dumb down the revolutionary to a baffoon to fit their neoliberal copaganda. What a horrible mess this arc is
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"DISGUSTIS"?????
I found this channel now and I want to say everything I know that can make mha better. Even though this comment may not be seen.
1) All for one controlling tomura ruined it for sure.
2) for redeeming tomura and giving him hope,horikoshi made a mistake killing his family and he should have gave him and his former family a meeting.If his family were somehow alive and tenko just ran away by accidentally destroying the fence and only killing the dog,it would work.That family meeting will be awkward,but it's a way better talk no jutsu.
3) heroes stopping villains because they also had that trauma is a problem,because the problem won't go away.
Shoto saying dabi being a villain is his own fault is funny,cause shoto couldn't be a villain if he wanted to.
4) The mha ending is important. If the hero society wins,there would be more abused and broken people just to get arrested because of life didn't gave them a choice.
5) the entire traitor reveal chapters were dumb.
6)anime adaptation doesn't help a lot.
5:54 Reminds me of that Chance The Rapper tweet where he criticized Bright for falling into the same trap
Great video man. I was on the copium. Thanks for making this.
I both agree and disagree with some of the stuff said in this....but overall, yea, alot of this Arc's execution is just sloppy & not fully thought through.
me too
This analysis may be a little too left for me. And thats coming from a black liberal.
Fully agree. His take on US situation was truly cringeworthy to watch.
@@ReichLifeI meam it doesn't change the flaw regardless of his political take on racism
This is probaly the best video you have ever made. I'm grateful.
About what you said about Shoji's speech..Well i can see where you are coming from but let's remember that Spinner and his army are following a Villain who wants to take over the world, they are not protestors fighting for equal rights, they're actual villains now, and their actions might actually screw up what in-universe Mutant activists fought for, considering they began hating on other mutants and baseline humans.
Sure but who made them that way?
I AGEEEEEE ❤😅
dude, you're so based. how do you always put it into words? love your work!
Because he has the voice of charlie
The arc could have easily taken place after hero hunt while deku was asleep
Tbh i actually stop getting interested in MHA when the filler movies had more world building content that utilization than the actual show and main plot
I think the whole "set back 30 years" is more referring to how the mutant rioters aren't directing their anger and frustration in the right place and instead helping All For One who isn't going to help their cause. Saving Kurogiri wasn't gonna solve the racism problem, so helping AFO's plans and not directing at the real problem was gonna set them back. It doesn't have that much relevance as apposed to real life examples since riots were directed at the law and cops, the root of the issue.
Ye
Saving Kurogiri wasn’t gonna end racism but the mutants rioting on the streets literally made the heroes realize they were being oppressed, if they hadn’t rioted, things would have just stayed the same
Incredible video honestly, you really put effort and thought into this and it paid off
Someone start printing up the "Disgustus was right" t-shirts
not gonna lie when I saw giant monster spinner I thought to myself did I skip a chapter when the hell did this happen ? what is happening.
I honestly believe Hori is being rushed because he is on the right track on breaking these things down however he just doesn’t have the time. He honestly should’ve put this earlier in the series to flesh it out. I mean the dude a damn good job with shoto broken home that it’s scary and touching hyper consumerism on hero’s. We didn’t get to see the weapons of the state which they do have because lady nagant proves that they’re there. It’s just frustrating man