I mean with a live action pilot you have all the additional costs that won't be necessary in every episode to that extent, like costumes, props, sets, the first CGI models, hardware, ...
TV pilots are expensive and there’s been countless series with expensive pilots. So I don’t think the cost of the pilot was the main reason for it being cancelled.
Lmao so HBO's answer to diversity was to change the lore to say that the children of the forest were originally black people who were all cursed?? Yikes...
Yeah not great. Poor interpretation imo, I always thought the COTF were a metaphor for the earth itself and the First men were symbolic of industrialization destroying the earth and environment.
@@timocruz510 The First Men are sort of like the first wave of major environmental alteration. The first wave that mostly abated, when they converted to the religion of the COTF, and possibly interbred with them thoroughly enough to inherent some of their powers, if the powers didn't directly come from the old gods. The Andals represent a near total separation from nature, and their religion is an analogue to Catholicism with some phony-bologna seven-faced deity that doesn't exist, that has a fixation on artificial moral behavior. At least tree gods actually exist. And fire gods. And many-faced death gods.
$30 million is still an incredibly large amount of money but there's costs that go into pilots that wouldn't be in later season episodes. Sets, casting, location scouting etc would all need to be done fresh for pilots
That seems like a lot just for a pilot Jesus. Especially considering a lot of the sets and stuff are being reused from the main series and the dance series.
@@theavocado6061 I doubt the sets would have been the same though. This would have been pre-andal invasion or even first men so all of the tech wouldn't be there.
Certain costs would be stretched over the potential life of a show. Costumes, reoccurring locations, props, etc... would all need to be made for the pilot and would reflect a cost there so that $30 million number is a bit misleading.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin nah i think they sold that all already to some got museum.. i dont think they want to pay storage cost in every location they were filming.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin well, those 30 million are gone pretty quickly, if you look at all the upfront cost. Pay 10 screenwriters for a year to write the first season, you end up with > 1 Million just for salary. Then you hire people to do the props, hire camera people, pay some better known actors partially in advance. Pay GRRM to put his seal of approval on it. I bet if the had done the whole season, the cost would have come down considerably per episode. If each episode costs 5M to shoot and you have 25M upfront cost, then in a 10 episode season, the cost would have only been 7.5M. Still shooting 10 episodes and ruining the franchise would have been more expensive, than just loosing 30M once.
gotta agree with Carmine here on the cancellation reasonings- yes they care about money like Preston said, but I'm sure the show thematically sucking was also a factor.
It can be both. They can love game of thrones and good tv, and thought this show was a piece of shit and wouldn't be watchable. And an unwatchable show doesn't make money
I would assume that they understand that a large part of HBO's success is them being seen as making high quality shows, and so they would care about a show being shit because it would ruin their reputation
@@diepie5144 I was thinking the same thing. Preston is right here. It’s always about money. They have to be very careful with what they do with got because if they release enough bad shit got won’t be marketable.
What We Do In The Shadows is the best recent original show imo, but thew only reason it got adapted was Taika Waititi getting a surge of popularity from Thor Ragnarok
It is about money. But you're assuming that money is coming from ads sold or products sold. Those execs have personal income steams from lobbies and golden parachutes. Franchise failed? Who cares, get a big pay out or get a new job that pays well because you did someones bidding and are now looked after.
Carmine, one big difference between walking Dead and thrones is that walking Dead got it's spin off when walking Dead was still among the highest rated tv shows. Thrones post season 8 seems so weak that they couldn't fill up a booth at comic con.
Better things to do with your time than watch Star Trek Picard: Meth Drinking yourself blind on mezcal Drive donuts in the middle of the highway during rush hour Watch paint dry ST Picard was terrible. I couldn’t even hate watch it it was so depressing. Finally watched DS9 over the last year with the fiancé. He’s a big fan but I just couldn’t get into back in the 90s. I think because it was such a change from the TNG format. The first season is pretty bad (seems to be a running theme in Trek shows) but once we got into the Dominion War the show became incredible.
Picard is absolutely terrible, just completely missed the whole appeal of Star Trek in general. DS9 is the show that was promised. best character development in the series, an overarching plot that isn't half-baked and puts the values of Trek under a microscope, perfect casting. The first season is indeed not great but that's basically tradition in Trek at this point lmao, it was worth it to get to where the show eventually went.
It really didn't get good until Babylon 5 made the writers up their game. These shows competed against each other. Conventional thinking was only 1 scifi show could be on network tv
Yeah that's what you get by picking the totally wrong prequel idea. Luckily we will now have House of the Dragon, covering the Dance of the Dragons, which ìs based on material from George ànd contains a lot of elements that made GoT famous/popular in the first place (which makes it, in my opinion, the best prequel idea). Hopefully they'll manage to pull it off!
@@vortigern7021 Yeah Dunk and Egg would also be good, but would not be able to reach GoT levels of popularity/impact imho. _If (and only if)_ they build up the characters and the world properly in House of the Dragon, then you'll get a similar situation as S1/S3 GoT: twists and turns (betrayals and counterbetrayals), epic but heartbreaking character stories, plus, of course, the dragon vs dragon battles. So far I have no reason to assume it will be bad: the source material is there (what happens when, who dies when) and the showrunner/directors seem pretty good, so there's no reason to be worried.
@@dirrdevil Of course always a little bit, given how GoT ended. But now they have the complete source material (basis), which is quite excellent in and of itself. Plus, the showrunner (Ryan Condal) has read all the books, is fan of the material/George's world, and has stated 'come at me Reddit', referring to book purists and that he wants to do the source material justice. Obviously, changes have to be made and the basis is a history book so a lot has to be fleshed out, but I have confidence they can pull it off.
I read an interview with some executive from Disney waaaay back around the time the first sequel movie was being wrapped up. He or... she... said they were making Star Wars the "girl brand" because they already had a juggernaut in the MCU that skewed heavily towards boys. It's stupid, but they felt that they'd make more by going after a different audience than trying to double-dip into that exact same demographic with Star Wars every quarter.
1:12 - I mean yeah, they were definitely cutting their losses. If they know it's not going to work then spending even more money on more episodes would've been a bad financial decision. Not to mention if it hurts the brand then it hurts their bottom line in the long term as well. Plus, pilots get passed on all the time, it's a relatively common practice (although I imagine few are this expensive). Although it's crazy to me that they only figured out that it couldn't pay off the premise of the previous show when they saw the first cut. I figured that out when it was freaking announced. Game of Thrones drew people in with its politics and court intrigue, the questions of power and its use, it was a battle for the throne between all sorts of interesting noble houses with twists and turns in a medieval fantasy setting with dragons. Presumably "The Long Night" couldn't have had a lot of that. I mean, this was before noble houses existed, before there was an iron throne, before dragons came to Westeros, before the Westerosi middle ages started. Not to mention being built around a story where we already know how it ends and who's central mystery (the white walkers) was already solved on a different show. I have no idea how they thought that this was ever a good idea, honestly.
The revival of old IPs is linked back to the Kennedy/Feige discussion. These execs aren't fans and while part of me doesn't want them to be fans, I still want them to make good content. Unfortunately, they look for a formula which worked before and then reproduce it with hack writers who are beholden to the marketing for the IP, not the IP itself. There are plenty of new IPs out there, but when most are used, they are forced into a formula of a previously successful IP, making any originality nothing more than window dressing. When they flop, the execs take that to mean that the new IP failed, not the old formula. In the war between art and commerce, art is getting its ass kicked.
I would add that even the Stan Lees, Kevin Feiges and Hideo Kojimas of the world who start out with mostly pure artistic intentions, are eventually not without corruption of dollar-first thinking especially once they’ve tested success and the longer their career runs it’ll be about the dollar more and more. Getting to the top of your industry is necessarily a dirty game
Your discussion about how to structure the GOT franchise: one star and cheap supporting players that you fire when everyone gets too expensive and then start over with a new crew is just like Moneyball management techniques of baseball teams. The difference being that baseball teams have a much deeper and sustained hidden streams of cash flow so they don't need to treat their fans like this.
First. I think game of thrones needeto have it's story stretched , up to 10 or 12 seasons. The show was rushed. That's the biggest problem. Not that it was stretched. Yes. HOTD will probably not be as good as game of thrones. But what is the reference point that we are having on this comparison. The show as a whole? Counting the seasons 5 to 8? Or the first 4 seasons only. Because game of thrones is not the same thing throughout. The last 4 seasons of Game Of Thrones sort of take a lot of the value of the show. But the first 4 seasons alone are peak tv. So if HOTD gets 70% of what the first 4 seasons of GOT achieved, it might be a good show.
the main problem with good shows is that books with good epic stories just takes longer time then tv show takes to consume and create so there will be a lack of good source material to convert.
I never knew Preston was an econ major. I suppose this is a good opportunity to remind him of the second part of the Littlefinger debt series. Maybe Preston can figure out some other factor that will bring Westeros's economy crashing before the Long Night 2.0
Carnival Row on Amazon Prime is an original IP and it's really good. Season 2 is being made, but I don't know when it's coming out. It got delayed because of covid. And The Nevers is a good original IP on HBO. Even though Joss Whedon got cancelled and booted from the series.
The Nevers is very Joss. I enjoyed it for the most part but your reaction is going to be very dependent on how much you still like those old Whedon tropes.
Imagine going through that script. Actually shoot it and post prod it. And only after it is finished it is like yea we should not have done that. Man this job seems easy. I wish I was working at HBO. You cannot fuck up in any way if you are working with that preposterous excuse of a script to begin with. I mean it is almost an insurence that is bestoved to the workforce from the top. It is like, "Don't worry you guys, bosses are going to take this one for the team."
6:44 Nonsense. The analogy to a t-shirt seller outside Yankees stadium is trash. Kennedy isn't a vendor outside the show, she's runs the show. Your shirt seller sold what people came for but Kennedy is credited with introducing elements that the audience wasn't looking for. It's naive to think it wasn't ideological. If not, why are they repeating the same failure with the same ideological perspective and buzzwords during interviews. Pssh!
@preston Ok the stupid finale convinced me, I'm all in on reading Wheel of Time. I hope it's good, but mostly I hope I can get some Preston Jacobs content to go along with it.
Maybe I'm just a neckbeard but Preston's take that there is literally no political agenda other than profit is a little naive. It just fails to delineate between directors/executives/artists. Corporations are ultimately collections of individuals full of inefficiencies, and there is certainly room for individuals with creative control to insert their own biases without always being a slave to shareholders.
Yes. Preston’s argument falls on the fact that a purely money driven movie production would do the safest option. Pandering to the social justice crowd is not the safe option. The safe option is to stay true to the established lore and not do anything new. What is going on, I’m fairly sure, is that the people making the creative decisions are part of the social justice crowd, and the people with the money bag have been convinced they have to satisfy the woke movie reviewers with the loudest voice.
They wanted to max profits by ALIENATING the main fanbase, by DESTROYING the past kill it if you have to, by making sure every one of our heroes were shown to be pathetic losers. Max profits ftw =) It`s so dumb, it hurts to think about it.
@@Jimbotheone i don’t think this stance conflicts with what preston was saying at all, especially your second paragraph. executives make decisions based on what they think will appeal to certain demographics, including movie/tv reviewers (who now more than ever seem to have an outsized influence on the success of media).
I really didn't want to see the White Walker prequel because I was quite sure it would ruin my view on the story (8000 years is bullshit, Children of the Forest are hrangan minds, people of Westeros descend from an Ecological Engineering Corps seedship crew) and wouldn't offer anything worthy in replacement.
@@wingracer1614 Lot of ppl like the Sopranos ending especially now its been a while. Cant see that happening for game of thrones. The other 2 wherent amazing shows to begin with.
Re: everything being existing properties. Carnival Row was the last great fantasy/sci fi thing i watched that was wholly original and wildly creative. It doesnt get the credit it deserves for that. Imo.
I guarantee that plot was true. The original Westerosi being black doesn't even make sense geographically in the story. I wish they would have released that so it could have been ripped to shreds. Instead of just telling a story on Naath or Sothyros or somewhere else, they have to try and race swap and ruin the entire story.
Wait, why couldn't black people have just originated in Westeros or travelled to Westeros first, and then became the Children of the Forest? The idea sounds dumb, but i don't see why it would make any more sense for white people to be there geographically versus anyone else.
@kennyhudson9201 In order for black people to travel to Westeros first they would have to leave Sothoryos or the summer Islands and go out into the unknown ocean. Then they would have had to stay there long enough to grow the population and then somehow create a magical bond with the Weirwoods and be turned into children of the forest in a short amount of time. It's possible but that's just not plausible in the story. Why can't the children just be their own thing? Why does Hollywood always have to force someone gay or black at the center of everything. The children being former humans is just a stupid idea that doesn't have any benefit to the story.
@@whatisantilogic138 Why? Why do they have to travel to Westeros? Why couldn't they just originate there? It's a fictional world. Also, why couldn't they travel there? And stay long enough? They could have travelled there tens of thousands of years ago. Again, it's a fictional world. Why is it ANY LESS plausible for the Children to be there already? Or for white people to not be there first? I admit the children being former humans that were cursed is a stupid idea, but I don't see why it's any less plausible because they are black people vs any other people. Why can't black people go out into the unknown ocean? I mean eventually someone did to get there, why couldn't it be black people first?
@kennyhudson9201 the first men walked across a land bridge just like Native Americans did in our world, so white people didn't get on a boat and go off into the unknown. Secondly, the books are fictional but very accurate scientifically. Westeros is like Europe, Sothoryos is like Africa, why would black people originate from Europe? Each region has people that look appropriate for the environment. People from the summer Islands or Slavers Bay are not blond with blue eyes. People from YI-TI are basically Asian. Summer Islanders are Caribbean, ect. Considering there's very few "black" people in the story, it must mean the majority of them haven't traveled far from their original lands. If they were world traveling thousands of years ago them whe arent they doing it now? It's just not how the story is written because it doesn't Geographically make sense.
@@whatisantilogic138 They don't travel now because they lost that knowledge and ability. But I guess they couldn't have had a Doom of Valyria type of event even further in the past that happened to black people. Nah, that's impossible. LOL.
I'm going to have to disagree with Preston on Kathleen Kennedy she was so clearly pushing a narrative in Star Wars. Who claims to want to make money and sidelines Luke Skywalker?! We waited for years to see him kick ass as a jedi and she had him milking a space cow
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin if only there was a producer who cared about money to oversee the production, someone who could have changed anything about the production. someone who had the power to change directors several times...
6:36 - No, they definitely don't give a shit about the source material. Could not care less. If they thought it would make them lots of money they'd destroy every A Song of Ice & Fire book on the planet. They didn't want to spend more money on a show that they thought wouldn't be watched a lot and would damage their brand. Here's something you have to understand about how these executive types think. And I think Martin himself has even talked about this before: Executive types are not really creative types almost across the board. They think about these things pretty mathematically. And in their mind every show has "a formula." I think when Martin gave the example he talked about his Beauty & the Beast show and that the "formula" was that Vincent would transform twice and save some pretty lady and that was an episode. And I think when these executive types look at Game of Thrones what they see is: It has dragons, it has war, it has medieval-ey stuff, it has political intrigue and that's the show. Which is, to be fair, kind of true. And I think "The Long Night" just by virtue of when the show was set (before there were noble houses, before the middle ages in Westeros, before dragons came there, etc.) just didn't fit that formula. And so they canned it.
If executives were still business people and not activists who also do business, then I would agree that the motivation is always likely money. It just doesn't make any sense to me that a business would be short sighted enough to sacrifice the relationship with the audience that they already have to chase after an audience that they think they can get.
Preston Jacobs: Okay I admit that like someone like Kevin Feige…you can’t do what he does without being a secret fan. Kevin Feige: The theme of phase 4 is diversity.
It's not fair to compare BSG to GoT. BSG had a ton of behind the scenes problems with the Sci-Fi network. Sci-Fi was very cheap, especially at the time, and they always wanted to cut the budget. Sci-Fi would tell the writers and the cast that they have to keep costs down or the show might not get renewed. And it wasn't just BSG, this was how they treated all their shows. They did the same thing with the two Stargate shows. And this was during a time when Sci-Fi was just doing really dumb things like putting on wrestling and reality shows that barely had anything to do with science fiction or fantasy. With GoT, HBO fully supported the show. They were throwing tons of money at it. They were willing to give the show as many seasons as they wanted. It's extremely rare for a show to get as much support from the network as GoT got from HBO.
Let me agree with someone else. I thought the ending for Battlestar Galactica was ok. And one critic of it and season 8 pointed out that Battlestar Galactica ended better because it tried going for something larger so even if it failed it failed, in part, from trying to have high ambitions and then not making them it still had some. Season 8 didn't even have such ambitions.
I knew you were going to talk about Caprica, which was very good IMHO. I am not sure if the last season of BSG was as bad as season 7 & 8 of the Dumb-and-Dumber's show. Besides the fact that for that utterly stupid Battlestar's ending at least they picked a good song (I love All Along the Watchtower - Hendrix version mostly), it is almost impossible to me to imagine anything as bad as the last two seasons of AGOT.
@@DoubleDowner Dexter ended terribly. However, it didn't have nearly the same potential as GoT. It just got goofy. Not nearly as disappointing as GoTs trash last few seasons and obvious rushing.
Economic factors are important, but don't underestimate the beliefs of people in charge. Sure, they often live in a bubble and think it can make them money, but many people are willing to lose money for pushing their political agenda. Look at Last Man Standing - the show was very popular, one of the most watched, profitable, yet it was canceled by ABC for being too conservative (and it was picked up by a more conservative network).
@@tobilandsfried8083 A popular show with a slight political leaning is not gonna anger anyone outside of a small group of political radicals. Vast majority of people are OK with shows having a slight political message one way or another. Breaking Bad was more radical in several political directions and it still became an iconic show.
Releasing the cancelled pilot is great idea to minimize losses for HBO , i really think they should do it ... maybe add the initial pilot of GOT ( with different Dany ) as a bonus On the same line .. I really wish GRRM will release chapters from the canceled 5-year gap book
The thing is, there may as well be fans in these boardrooms, but they aren´t fans of the same things that they produce. Like, I´m sure most of the people making Marvel movies like movies, and many of them, but I doubt most of them like superhero movies. If you were to ask them what they are the biggest fans of, it would probably be dramas. Hollywood insiders love their Oscar-baits.
Lovecraft country didn’t do well because it was racist as shit! I gave up after four episodes, every white character was absolutely evil! They could’ve had at least one redeemer.
How unfortunate that the White Walker prequel is cancelled. Benioff and Weiss left so much about the White Walkers' mysteries unanswered, they probably hoped for this prequel to answer. They must have known a prequel was coming. This is my problem with franchises now being bloated into so much just to tell one story instead of being stand-alone, or being able to stand on its own even as a piece in a grand telling. Because when one or more of these fail or get cancelled, I am left with little to no resolution, and the story feels incomplete.
Were they ever really involved with this prequel? Tbh, it's seems that they really didn't give that much of shit about game of thrones towards the end and just wanted to move on to other things...I'd wager they weren't hoping for the prequel to offer answers, they just didn't care enough to actually think of answers in the first place
@@socialjihad5724 I think D&D had definitely lost interest. It was a pretty sound idea for HBO to exploit the White Walker hype until season 8 killed them off in such a lame way.
@@alanpennie8013 Pretty much. I just don't really think that there is really that much interest in finding out more about the white walkers now. Not that there isn't any, and if the show ended up being good it's still got GOT branding to market off of and so would probably be successful, but because it's an age that would also demand an explosive budget, I think the overall financial risk is much higher than what it would have been before the final season
I hope we will get at least a short plot for this cancelled projet. Like, we know so little about the age of heroes and they did all this work and we cannot even know what they choose to do ??? I don't know, I find it very frustrating :/
I don't buy Preston's "the only thing they care about is money" thing, disney execs knew full well that having the chinese girl kiss the black guy in star wars ep 8 would massively decrease the profitability of the movie in China, and they knew that this would outweigh any increased marketability of the movies to black american or asian american audiences, but they did it anyways because antiracism is another commitment they have outside of pure monetary incentive. Remember executives don't control every single thing in a movie, they have veto power, but exercising veto power for every little thing is not how a movie is made. A director or casting director with a commitment to antiracism is going to care less about the profitability of the movie because they get paid according to their contract either way, and the executives who want to cancel the interracial kiss on account of profitability in china would have to explain to a large group of people why profit is more important than antiracism, and apparently, they aren't willing to do it.
Chinese girl kissing a black guy wouldn't have decreased sale in china lol. The girl who was the star was Taiwanese, that slumped the sales not the other thing
Is the show you're talking about different from House of Dragons? I saw a HBO trailer which had a snippet and I sure don't how the actors look as Targaryens. They are supposed to be other wordly beautiful and the two I've seen are not. I wish they would have googled images of androgenous blonde males and there are some who are amazingly beautiful. Worthy of Cersei thinking Jamie didn't compare to Rhaegar.
allegedly jerf bersus personally decided amazon would pick up the expanse, because he was a fan. guess sometimes things like these happen. only of course because they also make a lot of money with it.
while I would say that most TV execs don't care about artistic integrity, I wouldn't say that non care at all. I think, assuming (unsavory) intentions for every action someone takes is very dangerous territory and will lead to unnecessary conflict because nobody is willing to give the other the benefit of the doubt
@@Richard_Nickerson At least GOT had a definite ending and didn't stagger on like a zombie. Of course staggering on like a zombie is exactly what a show called The Walking Dead should be expected to do.
ok, so in this timeline, that meteorite containing dawn hits a couple thousand years later. It's bigger, so Dorne is destroyed, and everything after season 4 is changed. also everyone looks different... Problem solved.
I’m not so sure about your point, that it’s always about money and only about money. When you look at Star Wars and ghost busters and captain marvel and so on, you can see that the plan to sell the movies to women doesn’t work and on top of it they lose the male audience. And there are a lot of these movies. They do it again and again. So is it really about the money, or is there also a political agenda? I’m not so sure…
Captain Marvel was hugely profitable - it was the 6th biggest opening for a movie of all time. It earned $1.2 billion. Star Wars was hugely profitable too. Marketing to women is a very successful strategy. When it fails (like Ghostbusters), it's usually just because it's a bad movie, not because of female leads.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin captain marvel was only successful because it tied in to the upcoming endgame movie... no one would have watched it otherwise ... birds of prey couldn't even break even... it's not a successful strategy and it will keep on failing
@@vanshpersie07 if you want to keep coping, then sure. Reality begs to differ - if it wasnt profitable as you say, they would've given up on the strategy a long time ago, yet here we are with more movies and tv shows doing the same.
If a woman wants to see a movie a man will take her If a man wants to see a movie he will take himself or wait for it to be streamable Marketing to women means you will sell twice as many tickets (providing the movie doesn’t suck)
Honestly, Blood Moon got cancelled when the White Walker plot ended anticlimactic in a way that they became unrelevant to the story at all. What would prequel about that time period show anyway? That the Nigh King is actually unkillable and that neither dragonglass and nor Valyrian steel can harm him?
amazing world building. maybe the best near-future I've seen in a show. Pacing on the season was horrible, it really drags. I've seen that show many times, I like the world so much, but I always get to the same places and the show drags to a crawl.
@@varsityathlete9927 It wasn't perfect but it was the first season and for what they were trying to do I definatly wanted another season or 2. The last epsiode showed where they were going with things.
I mean with a live action pilot you have all the additional costs that won't be necessary in every episode to that extent, like costumes, props, sets, the first CGI models, hardware, ...
Good point
Yeah Preston has it backwards, it costs a lot to start a show on that scale especially.
Imagine spending $30M for proof of concept for something that doesnt even work on paper?
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TV pilots are expensive and there’s been countless series with expensive pilots. So I don’t think the cost of the pilot was the main reason for it being cancelled.
Wow
@@alex30425 goodpoint
Deep Space Nine is the best Star Trek. It's also a direct sequel to TNG so you don't really need to choose.
It was a perfect balance of long - form and episodic storytelling.
Lmao so HBO's answer to diversity was to change the lore to say that the children of the forest were originally black people who were all cursed?? Yikes...
Yeah not great. Poor interpretation imo, I always thought the COTF were a metaphor for the earth itself and the First men were symbolic of industrialization destroying the earth and environment.
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The First Men are sort of like the first wave of major environmental alteration. The first wave that mostly abated, when they converted to the religion of the COTF, and possibly interbred with them thoroughly enough to inherent some of their powers, if the powers didn't directly come from the old gods. The Andals represent a near total separation from nature, and their religion is an analogue to Catholicism with some phony-bologna seven-faced deity that doesn't exist, that has a fixation on artificial moral behavior.
At least tree gods actually exist. And fire gods. And many-faced death gods.
Bad.
@@timocruz510 The first men are the Celts - the Andals were the Angles and Saxons. Then the Targaryens were the Normans. At least in inspiration.
The rumours sound mental, if there's any truth to them, then it deserved to be destroyed, but wow, I'd love to see how bad it is.
Yeah unseen pilots piss me off
$30 million is still an incredibly large amount of money but there's costs that go into pilots that wouldn't be in later season episodes. Sets, casting, location scouting etc would all need to be done fresh for pilots
That seems like a lot just for a pilot Jesus. Especially considering a lot of the sets and stuff are being reused from the main series and the dance series.
@@theavocado6061 I doubt the sets would have been the same though. This would have been pre-andal invasion or even first men so all of the tech wouldn't be there.
All of those new sets and costumes and VFX also have to be designed, as well. Presumably the First Men did not shop at the Dollar General.
Yup
@@johnkane3240 yes
Certain costs would be stretched over the potential life of a show. Costumes, reoccurring locations, props, etc... would all need to be made for the pilot and would reflect a cost there so that $30 million number is a bit misleading.
That's all true, though I do wonder how much they were able to borrow from GoT. You'd think they would be able to keep costs down.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin nah i think they sold that all already to some got museum.. i dont think they want to pay storage cost in every location they were filming.
@@blubblubwhat I think they have kept a lot. Looks like they are reusing the wigs in the new show.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin well, those 30 million are gone pretty quickly, if you look at all the upfront cost. Pay 10 screenwriters for a year to write the first season, you end up with > 1 Million just for salary. Then you hire people to do the props, hire camera people, pay some better known actors partially in advance. Pay GRRM to put his seal of approval on it. I bet if the had done the whole season, the cost would have come down considerably per episode.
If each episode costs 5M to shoot and you have 25M upfront cost, then in a 10 episode season, the cost would have only been 7.5M. Still shooting 10 episodes and ruining the franchise would have been more expensive, than just loosing 30M once.
I bought my Lemongate t-shirt in the good faith that you cared about Lemongate. I didn't know it was just about the money.
Lemongategate.
As long as it's a good shirt...
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Hey if he thought R+L=J shirts would sell better, he would have them. But they don’t!
gotta agree with Carmine here on the cancellation reasonings- yes they care about money like Preston said, but I'm sure the show thematically sucking was also a factor.
It can be both. They can love game of thrones and good tv, and thought this show was a piece of shit and wouldn't be watchable. And an unwatchable show doesn't make money
I would assume that they understand that a large part of HBO's success is them being seen as making high quality shows, and so they would care about a show being shit because it would ruin their reputation
“In Hollywood, remember kids, it’s not important if it’s high quality. It only matters if it makes money.”
@@diepie5144 I was thinking the same thing. Preston is right here. It’s always about money. They have to be very careful with what they do with got because if they release enough bad shit got won’t be marketable.
What We Do In The Shadows is the best recent original show imo, but thew only reason it got adapted was Taika Waititi getting a surge of popularity from Thor Ragnarok
It’s not really original since it was adapted from the movie…
Courteney Cox was the best known actor on friends when it started imo.
I've have never really watched your channel but now I'm playing catch up. Your ideas are without a doubt my favorite.
Watch Preston’s GOT episode watches. They are hilarious.
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That they are.
"diminishes the value"... i don't know if GOT the show after that last season even has any more value to lose.
It is about money. But you're assuming that money is coming from ads sold or products sold. Those execs have personal income steams from lobbies and golden parachutes. Franchise failed? Who cares, get a big pay out or get a new job that pays well because you did someones bidding and are now looked after.
Carmine, one big difference between walking Dead and thrones is that walking Dead got it's spin off when walking Dead was still among the highest rated tv shows. Thrones post season 8 seems so weak that they couldn't fill up a booth at comic con.
good point
Better things to do with your time than watch Star Trek Picard:
Meth
Drinking yourself blind on mezcal
Drive donuts in the middle of the highway during rush hour
Watch paint dry
ST Picard was terrible. I couldn’t even hate watch it it was so depressing.
Finally watched DS9 over the last year with the fiancé. He’s a big fan but I just couldn’t get into back in the 90s. I think because it was such a change from the TNG format. The first season is pretty bad (seems to be a running theme in Trek shows) but once we got into the Dominion War the show became incredible.
you don't want no part of that shit!
Picard is absolutely terrible, just completely missed the whole appeal of Star Trek in general. DS9 is the show that was promised. best character development in the series, an overarching plot that isn't half-baked and puts the values of Trek under a microscope, perfect casting. The first season is indeed not great but that's basically tradition in Trek at this point lmao, it was worth it to get to where the show eventually went.
It really didn't get good until Babylon 5 made the writers up their game. These shows competed against each other. Conventional thinking was only 1 scifi show could be on network tv
I like that Fire and Blood idea with largely new cast and new storylines every season
@@ingainloggningsnamn they should start all the way back at the escape from Valyria, from the Doom.
@@darhaha3391 no? It's all political and no action for 100 years
At some point, years ago, I realized I liked this podcast more than the show. Frankly couldn't care less if a new prequel or whatever comes out.
💯😂
Yeah that's what you get by picking the totally wrong prequel idea. Luckily we will now have House of the Dragon, covering the Dance of the Dragons, which ìs based on material from George ànd contains a lot of elements that made GoT famous/popular in the first place (which makes it, in my opinion, the best prequel idea). Hopefully they'll manage to pull it off!
Don't get your hopes up. Also the best prequel series would be Dunk and Egg,
@@vortigern7021 Yeah Dunk and Egg would also be good, but would not be able to reach GoT levels of popularity/impact imho. _If (and only if)_ they build up the characters and the world properly in House of the Dragon, then you'll get a similar situation as S1/S3 GoT: twists and turns (betrayals and counterbetrayals), epic but heartbreaking character stories, plus, of course, the dragon vs dragon battles. So far I have no reason to assume it will be bad: the source material is there (what happens when, who dies when) and the showrunner/directors seem pretty good, so there's no reason to be worried.
@@MdB92 No reason to be worried? 😆
@@dirrdevil Of course always a little bit, given how GoT ended. But now they have the complete source material (basis), which is quite excellent in and of itself. Plus, the showrunner (Ryan Condal) has read all the books, is fan of the material/George's world, and has stated 'come at me Reddit', referring to book purists and that he wants to do the source material justice. Obviously, changes have to be made and the basis is a history book so a lot has to be fleshed out, but I have confidence they can pull it off.
This pilot will probably end up like the unreleased Fantastic Four movie only available as bootlegs at conventions.
I read an interview with some executive from Disney waaaay back around the time the first sequel movie was being wrapped up. He or... she... said they were making Star Wars the "girl brand" because they already had a juggernaut in the MCU that skewed heavily towards boys. It's stupid, but they felt that they'd make more by going after a different audience than trying to double-dip into that exact same demographic with Star Wars every quarter.
1:12 - I mean yeah, they were definitely cutting their losses. If they know it's not going to work then spending even more money on more episodes would've been a bad financial decision. Not to mention if it hurts the brand then it hurts their bottom line in the long term as well. Plus, pilots get passed on all the time, it's a relatively common practice (although I imagine few are this expensive).
Although it's crazy to me that they only figured out that it couldn't pay off the premise of the previous show when they saw the first cut. I figured that out when it was freaking announced. Game of Thrones drew people in with its politics and court intrigue, the questions of power and its use, it was a battle for the throne between all sorts of interesting noble houses with twists and turns in a medieval fantasy setting with dragons. Presumably "The Long Night" couldn't have had a lot of that. I mean, this was before noble houses existed, before there was an iron throne, before dragons came to Westeros, before the Westerosi middle ages started. Not to mention being built around a story where we already know how it ends and who's central mystery (the white walkers) was already solved on a different show. I have no idea how they thought that this was ever a good idea, honestly.
The revival of old IPs is linked back to the Kennedy/Feige discussion. These execs aren't fans and while part of me doesn't want them to be fans, I still want them to make good content. Unfortunately, they look for a formula which worked before and then reproduce it with hack writers who are beholden to the marketing for the IP, not the IP itself.
There are plenty of new IPs out there, but when most are used, they are forced into a formula of a previously successful IP, making any originality nothing more than window dressing. When they flop, the execs take that to mean that the new IP failed, not the old formula.
In the war between art and commerce, art is getting its ass kicked.
I'm not sure if this show was based off anything, but White Lotus and Succession are really good on HBO
I would add that even the Stan Lees, Kevin Feiges and Hideo Kojimas of the world who start out with mostly pure artistic intentions, are eventually not without corruption of dollar-first thinking especially once they’ve tested success and the longer their career runs it’ll be about the dollar more and more. Getting to the top of your industry is necessarily a dirty game
Carmine, there was a podcast, years ago, of guys watching and talking about every episode of Sex and the City
Always a joy to hear DS9 get good recognition. It is my favorite too.
Your discussion about how to structure the GOT franchise: one star and cheap supporting players that you fire when everyone gets too expensive and then start over with a new crew is just like Moneyball management techniques of baseball teams. The difference being that baseball teams have a much deeper and sustained hidden streams of cash flow so they don't need to treat their fans like this.
Preston, I barely watched any Sex and the City and even I know that Kim's character is SAMANTHA
Georgina Henley was indeed the star of the rather uneven Chronicles of Narnia.
Her film career began before she was 10.
First. I think game of thrones needeto have it's story stretched , up to 10 or 12 seasons. The show was rushed. That's the biggest problem. Not that it was stretched.
Yes. HOTD will probably not be as good as game of thrones. But what is the reference point that we are having on this comparison. The show as a whole? Counting the seasons 5 to 8? Or the first 4 seasons only. Because game of thrones is not the same thing throughout. The last 4 seasons of Game Of Thrones sort of take a lot of the value of the show. But the first 4 seasons alone are peak tv. So if HOTD gets 70% of what the first 4 seasons of GOT achieved, it might be a good show.
the main problem with good shows is that books with good epic stories just takes longer time then tv show takes to consume and create so there will be a lack of good source material to convert.
I never knew Preston was an econ major. I suppose this is a good opportunity to remind him of the second part of the Littlefinger debt series. Maybe Preston can figure out some other factor that will bring Westeros's economy crashing before the Long Night 2.0
Carnival Row on Amazon Prime is an original IP and it's really good. Season 2 is being made, but I don't know when it's coming out. It got delayed because of covid. And The Nevers is a good original IP on HBO. Even though Joss Whedon got cancelled and booted from the series.
The Nevers is very Joss.
I enjoyed it for the most part but your reaction is going to be very dependent on how much you still like those old Whedon tropes.
6:10 isn't caring that it's gonna bomb the same as caring for the material? They know that people won't settle for/watch a show that makes no sense
No, HBO'll happily put out a crap show if they think it'll sell. Look up 'the Idol' if you don't believe me
Carmine, Preston speaking of Fear The Walking Dead, it's way worse than the main show! Please talk about it! Rant, tear it apart please!
finally a comment section filled with people talking sense
Imagine going through that script. Actually shoot it and post prod it. And only after it is finished it is like yea we should not have done that.
Man this job seems easy. I wish I was working at HBO. You cannot fuck up in any way if you are working with that preposterous excuse of a script to begin with. I mean it is almost an insurence that is bestoved to the workforce from the top.
It is like, "Don't worry you guys, bosses are going to take this one for the team."
6:44 Nonsense. The analogy to a t-shirt seller outside Yankees stadium is trash. Kennedy isn't a vendor outside the show, she's runs the show. Your shirt seller sold what people came for but Kennedy is credited with introducing elements that the audience wasn't looking for.
It's naive to think it wasn't ideological. If not, why are they repeating the same failure with the same ideological perspective and buzzwords during interviews. Pssh!
@preston
Ok the stupid finale convinced me, I'm all in on reading Wheel of Time. I hope it's good, but mostly I hope I can get some Preston Jacobs content to go along with it.
Maybe I'm just a neckbeard but Preston's take that there is literally no political agenda other than profit is a little naive. It just fails to delineate between directors/executives/artists. Corporations are ultimately collections of individuals full of inefficiencies, and there is certainly room for individuals with creative control to insert their own biases without always being a slave to shareholders.
He says theres no political agenda because his on the side of that political agenda.
Yes. Preston’s argument falls on the fact that a purely money driven movie production would do the safest option. Pandering to the social justice crowd is not the safe option. The safe option is to stay true to the established lore and not do anything new.
What is going on, I’m fairly sure, is that the people making the creative decisions are part of the social justice crowd, and the people with the money bag have been convinced they have to satisfy the woke movie reviewers with the loudest voice.
Preston's take on culture are politics are extremely biased to the left. His livestreams made me actually cringe.
They wanted to max profits by ALIENATING the main fanbase, by DESTROYING the past kill it if you have to, by making sure every one of our heroes were shown to be pathetic losers. Max profits ftw =) It`s so dumb, it hurts to think about it.
@@Jimbotheone i don’t think this stance conflicts with what preston was saying at all, especially your second paragraph. executives make decisions based on what they think will appeal to certain demographics, including movie/tv reviewers (who now more than ever seem to have an outsized influence on the success of media).
I really didn't want to see the White Walker prequel because I was quite sure it would ruin my view on the story (8000 years is bullshit, Children of the Forest are hrangan minds, people of Westeros descend from an Ecological Engineering Corps seedship crew) and wouldn't offer anything worthy in replacement.
I doubt many ppl will waste thier time on another got show to begin with tbh. I have never seen an ending to a show so universally hated.
The Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Lost?
@@wingracer1614 Lot of ppl like the Sopranos ending especially now its been a while. Cant see that happening for game of thrones. The other 2 wherent amazing shows to begin with.
Re: everything being existing properties. Carnival Row was the last great fantasy/sci fi thing i watched that was wholly original and wildly creative. It doesnt get the credit it deserves for that. Imo.
I guarantee that plot was true. The original Westerosi being black doesn't even make sense geographically in the story.
I wish they would have released that so it could have been ripped to shreds.
Instead of just telling a story on Naath or Sothyros or somewhere else, they have to try and race swap and ruin the entire story.
Wait, why couldn't black people have just originated in Westeros or travelled to Westeros first, and then became the Children of the Forest? The idea sounds dumb, but i don't see why it would make any more sense for white people to be there geographically versus anyone else.
@kennyhudson9201 In order for black people to travel to Westeros first they would have to leave Sothoryos or the summer Islands and go out into the unknown ocean. Then they would have had to stay there long enough to grow the population and then somehow create a magical bond with the Weirwoods and be turned into children of the forest in a short amount of time.
It's possible but that's just not plausible in the story. Why can't the children just be their own thing? Why does Hollywood always have to force someone gay or black at the center of everything. The children being former humans is just a stupid idea that doesn't have any benefit to the story.
@@whatisantilogic138 Why? Why do they have to travel to Westeros? Why couldn't they just originate there? It's a fictional world. Also, why couldn't they travel there? And stay long enough? They could have travelled there tens of thousands of years ago. Again, it's a fictional world. Why is it ANY LESS plausible for the Children to be there already? Or for white people to not be there first?
I admit the children being former humans that were cursed is a stupid idea, but I don't see why it's any less plausible because they are black people vs any other people.
Why can't black people go out into the unknown ocean? I mean eventually someone did to get there, why couldn't it be black people first?
@kennyhudson9201
the first men walked across a land bridge just like Native Americans did in our world, so white people didn't get on a boat and go off into the unknown.
Secondly, the books are fictional but very accurate scientifically. Westeros is like Europe, Sothoryos is like Africa, why would black people originate from Europe?
Each region has people that look appropriate for the environment. People from the summer Islands or Slavers Bay are not blond with blue eyes.
People from YI-TI are basically Asian. Summer Islanders are Caribbean, ect. Considering there's very few "black" people in the story, it must mean the majority of them haven't traveled far from their original lands. If they were world traveling thousands of years ago them whe arent they doing it now?
It's just not how the story is written because it doesn't Geographically make sense.
@@whatisantilogic138 They don't travel now because they lost that knowledge and ability. But I guess they couldn't have had a Doom of Valyria type of event even further in the past that happened to black people. Nah, that's impossible. LOL.
Why do people goof on Raised by Wolves? It was a such a good and original show, so looking forward to season 2.
It was batshit.
I'd be happy to. Watch another season but I'd hope for less Travis Fimmel.
I'd had enough of him by the end.
Itwould so great if the GOT and Bloodmoon pilots were both released. I'd definitely buy them.
WE would, but even a failed pilot might make people turn against a franchise if it's that bad. Like that awful Wonder Woman TV pilot years ago.
@@thedragondemands5186
Yep.
I can understand why HBO doesn't want to risk it.
I'm going to have to disagree with Preston on Kathleen Kennedy she was so clearly pushing a narrative in Star Wars. Who claims to want to make money and sidelines Luke Skywalker?! We waited for years to see him kick ass as a jedi and she had him milking a space cow
To be fair, Rian Johnson wrote the script.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin if only there was a producer who cared about money to oversee the production, someone who could have changed anything about the production. someone who had the power to change directors several times...
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
Also tbf those films were hugely profitable.
Probably the only good decision Disney made on star wars.
@@alexturlais8558
As long as they sold well in China...
It's December 23rd 2021, and there's no TWoW
Think it got pushed to summer 2023.
6:36 - No, they definitely don't give a shit about the source material. Could not care less. If they thought it would make them lots of money they'd destroy every A Song of Ice & Fire book on the planet. They didn't want to spend more money on a show that they thought wouldn't be watched a lot and would damage their brand.
Here's something you have to understand about how these executive types think. And I think Martin himself has even talked about this before: Executive types are not really creative types almost across the board. They think about these things pretty mathematically. And in their mind every show has "a formula." I think when Martin gave the example he talked about his Beauty & the Beast show and that the "formula" was that Vincent would transform twice and save some pretty lady and that was an episode. And I think when these executive types look at Game of Thrones what they see is: It has dragons, it has war, it has medieval-ey stuff, it has political intrigue and that's the show. Which is, to be fair, kind of true. And I think "The Long Night" just by virtue of when the show was set (before there were noble houses, before the middle ages in Westeros, before dragons came there, etc.) just didn't fit that formula. And so they canned it.
"Sex & the City" ? Lmao. More like "Catladies & and the infinite box wine"
If executives were still business people and not activists who also do business, then I would agree that the motivation is always likely money.
It just doesn't make any sense to me that a business would be short sighted enough to sacrifice the relationship with the audience that they already have to chase after an audience that they think they can get.
Preston Jacobs: Okay I admit that like someone like Kevin Feige…you can’t do what he does without being a secret fan.
Kevin Feige: The theme of phase 4 is diversity.
It's annoying that the main series left white walker threads hanging because they were expecting this show to pick it up
As a total dedicated book purist I am glad that the mass population of GoT watchers universally agree the show ended badly.
16:30 *Mew*
Did I hear a kitty?!
Ha ha, you did! That was Carmine's cat.
It's not fair to compare BSG to GoT. BSG had a ton of behind the scenes problems with the Sci-Fi network. Sci-Fi was very cheap, especially at the time, and they always wanted to cut the budget. Sci-Fi would tell the writers and the cast that they have to keep costs down or the show might not get renewed. And it wasn't just BSG, this was how they treated all their shows. They did the same thing with the two Stargate shows. And this was during a time when Sci-Fi was just doing really dumb things like putting on wrestling and reality shows that barely had anything to do with science fiction or fantasy.
With GoT, HBO fully supported the show. They were throwing tons of money at it. They were willing to give the show as many seasons as they wanted. It's extremely rare for a show to get as much support from the network as GoT got from HBO.
Im waiting for the Reboot of
“Tales from the Crypt”
Omg Christmas has come early! I love your Sex and the City review section of this vid. Please do more random topics.
Let me agree with someone else. I thought the ending for Battlestar Galactica was ok. And one critic of it and season 8 pointed out that Battlestar Galactica ended better because it tried going for something larger so even if it failed it failed, in part, from trying to have high ambitions and then not making them it still had some. Season 8 didn't even have such ambitions.
Carmine is so naive - I'd love to hear an episode where Preston just shatters his world for 30 mins.
THE MASSAGE is more important then $
I worked on this. Knew it was gonna be shit
What did you do?
@@Halbared you the tax man?
@@chrisjohn22 I am not.
I knew you were going to talk about Caprica, which was very good IMHO. I am not sure if the last season of BSG was as bad as season 7 & 8 of the Dumb-and-Dumber's show. Besides the fact that for that utterly stupid Battlestar's ending at least they picked a good song (I love All Along the Watchtower - Hendrix version mostly), it is almost impossible to me to imagine anything as bad as the last two seasons of AGOT.
No.
I don't remember it being so bad.
The BSG problem was unfocused narrative, the GOT problem was bizarre choices by the characters.
It's not comparable to Season 8 but it was still bad, and Caprica was just something they threw together as they ran out the door.
Dexter got pretty bad. They had his sister fall in love with him
@@DoubleDowner
The final season was probably worse than the GOT final season.
But now Dex is back!
@@DoubleDowner Dexter ended terribly. However, it didn't have nearly the same potential as GoT. It just got goofy. Not nearly as disappointing as GoTs trash last few seasons and obvious rushing.
Preston the audience of Star Wars was never just white males. The fan base was already diverse.
When Preston starts talking about the economics of starters demographics he sounds like Norm MacDonald's impression of Quinten Tarentino
They should have just made the prequel serious a movie trilogy
Economic factors are important, but don't underestimate the beliefs of people in charge. Sure, they often live in a bubble and think it can make them money, but many people are willing to lose money for pushing their political agenda. Look at Last Man Standing - the show was very popular, one of the most watched, profitable, yet it was canceled by ABC for being too conservative (and it was picked up by a more conservative network).
It wasn't profitable in the big picture if there main focus aren't Conservatives.
@@tobilandsfried8083 Their main focus of a TV station is selling air time to advertisement companies. And the show had a huge viewership.
@@petrmaly9087 if it negatively affects the channel as a whole it's not worth it
@@tobilandsfried8083 A popular show with a slight political leaning is not gonna anger anyone outside of a small group of political radicals. Vast majority of people are OK with shows having a slight political message one way or another. Breaking Bad was more radical in several political directions and it still became an iconic show.
I don’t think they botched the Battlestar ending. Is that the consensus?
23:46 DS9 should be everyone's favourite Star Trek
Releasing the cancelled pilot is great idea to minimize losses for HBO , i really think they should do it ... maybe add the initial pilot of GOT ( with different Dany ) as a bonus
On the same line .. I really wish GRRM will release chapters from the canceled 5-year gap book
Wasn't Matt Smith in the prequel too?
He's in the new prequel (House of The Dragon) playing Prince Daemon.
I don't why Preston is being so preachy for. We're not fucking stupid, we know how the world works. Personally I find the preachy tone off-putting.
The thing is, there may as well be fans in these boardrooms, but they aren´t fans of the same things that they produce.
Like, I´m sure most of the people making Marvel movies like movies, and many of them, but I doubt most of them like superhero movies.
If you were to ask them what they are the biggest fans of, it would probably be dramas. Hollywood insiders love their Oscar-baits.
If they were just making something up that wasnt written by GRRM im glad they cancelled it
Lovecraft country didn’t do well because it was racist as shit! I gave up after four episodes, every white character was absolutely evil! They could’ve had at least one redeemer.
If actually did do well. And it wasn’t racist. Not sure what you’re talking about. It has a cult following that was disappointed it wasn’t renewed
@@SR-zv5ue ok 👍
I like the ending for BSG, not a popular opinion probably, but i liked that the myth was more relevant than the war itself was...idk, just me.
DragonDemands knows what he's talking about. He does his research and he knows how to check his sources.
How unfortunate that the White Walker prequel is cancelled. Benioff and Weiss left so much about the White Walkers' mysteries unanswered, they probably hoped for this prequel to answer. They must have known a prequel was coming. This is my problem with franchises now being bloated into so much just to tell one story instead of being stand-alone, or being able to stand on its own even as a piece in a grand telling. Because when one or more of these fail or get cancelled, I am left with little to no resolution, and the story feels incomplete.
I'm quite sad.
This show, or the Valyria prequel would have offered something new.
HoD offers more tits and dragons
I'm sure it will be fine though.
Were they ever really involved with this prequel? Tbh, it's seems that they really didn't give that much of shit about game of thrones towards the end and just wanted to move on to other things...I'd wager they weren't hoping for the prequel to offer answers, they just didn't care enough to actually think of answers in the first place
@@socialjihad5724
I think D&D had definitely lost interest.
It was a pretty sound idea for HBO to exploit the White Walker hype until season 8 killed them off in such a lame way.
@@alanpennie8013 Pretty much. I just don't really think that there is really that much interest in finding out more about the white walkers now. Not that there isn't any, and if the show ended up being good it's still got GOT branding to market off of and so would probably be successful, but because it's an age that would also demand an explosive budget, I think the overall financial risk is much higher than what it would have been before the final season
“Yakub Tier Writing”comment of the year lol
I hope we will get at least a short plot for this cancelled projet. Like, we know so little about the age of heroes and they did all this work and we cannot even know what they choose to do ??? I don't know, I find it very frustrating :/
Thank you, i did not know. Will you cover wheel of times?
When Carmine finishes, I hope so.
Cancel culture.
I don't buy Preston's "the only thing they care about is money" thing, disney execs knew full well that having the chinese girl kiss the black guy in star wars ep 8 would massively decrease the profitability of the movie in China, and they knew that this would outweigh any increased marketability of the movies to black american or asian american audiences, but they did it anyways because antiracism is another commitment they have outside of pure monetary incentive.
Remember executives don't control every single thing in a movie, they have veto power, but exercising veto power for every little thing is not how a movie is made. A director or casting director with a commitment to antiracism is going to care less about the profitability of the movie because they get paid according to their contract either way, and the executives who want to cancel the interracial kiss on account of profitability in china would have to explain to a large group of people why profit is more important than antiracism, and apparently, they aren't willing to do it.
Chinese girl kissing a black guy wouldn't have decreased sale in china lol. The girl who was the star was Taiwanese, that slumped the sales not the other thing
These executives do just care about the money though. I like they Preston smacked away the red pill with logic
Is the show you're talking about different from House of Dragons? I saw a HBO trailer which had a snippet and I sure don't how the actors look as Targaryens. They are supposed to be other wordly beautiful and the two I've seen are not. I wish they would have googled images of androgenous blonde males and there are some who are amazingly beautiful. Worthy of Cersei thinking Jamie didn't compare to Rhaegar.
No the other major spin off they were considering was one of the Long Night, which apparently was awful.
We wuz Children of the Forest n sheit
allegedly jerf bersus personally decided amazon would pick up the expanse, because he was a fan. guess sometimes things like these happen. only of course because they also make a lot of money with it.
kim was Sam not Miranda...
You're right. Big mess up.
you are forgiven Ser
while I would say that most TV execs don't care about artistic integrity, I wouldn't say that non care at all. I think, assuming (unsavory) intentions for every action someone takes is very dangerous territory and will lead to unnecessary conflict because nobody is willing to give the other the benefit of the doubt
speaking of Sarah Jessica Parker...When, exactly, did she turn into Barbra Streisand?
Can she sing?
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin LMFAO
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin according to _Hocus Pocus,_ she's quite the siren
Preston “protecting” Kennedy made her look even worse…
21:48 - sad, because "unknown intellectual property" = something original!
Walking dead is dog shit now.
It has long over stayed its welcome.
@@Richard_Nickerson
At least GOT had a definite ending and didn't stagger on like a zombie.
Of course staggering on like a zombie is exactly what a show called The Walking Dead should be expected to do.
Sothoro-Westerossian?
ok, so in this timeline, that meteorite containing dawn hits a couple thousand years later. It's bigger, so Dorne is destroyed, and everything after season 4 is changed. also everyone looks different... Problem solved.
Anyone has a website to pirate the prequel?
I’m not so sure about your point, that it’s always about money and only about money.
When you look at Star Wars and ghost busters and captain marvel and so on, you can see that the plan to sell the movies to women doesn’t work and on top of it they lose the male audience. And there are a lot of these movies. They do it again and again. So is it really about the money, or is there also a political agenda? I’m not so sure…
Captain Marvel was hugely profitable - it was the 6th biggest opening for a movie of all time. It earned $1.2 billion. Star Wars was hugely profitable too. Marketing to women is a very successful strategy. When it fails (like Ghostbusters), it's usually just because it's a bad movie, not because of female leads.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin captain marvel was only successful because it tied in to the upcoming endgame movie... no one would have watched it otherwise ... birds of prey couldn't even break even... it's not a successful strategy and it will keep on failing
Not to mention that latest Charlie angels movie
@@vanshpersie07 if you want to keep coping, then sure. Reality begs to differ - if it wasnt profitable as you say, they would've given up on the strategy a long time ago, yet here we are with more movies and tv shows doing the same.
If a woman wants to see a movie a man will take her
If a man wants to see a movie he will take himself or wait for it to be streamable
Marketing to women means you will sell twice as many tickets (providing the movie doesn’t suck)
Honestly, Blood Moon got cancelled when the White Walker plot ended anticlimactic in a way that they became unrelevant to the story at all. What would prequel about that time period show anyway? That the Nigh King is actually unkillable and that neither dragonglass and nor Valyrian steel can harm him?
Caprica was pretty good. It seemed it was building to something great.
amazing world building. maybe the best near-future I've seen in a show. Pacing on the season was horrible, it really drags. I've seen that show many times, I like the world so much, but I always get to the same places and the show drags to a crawl.
@@varsityathlete9927 It wasn't perfect but it was the first season and for what they were trying to do I definatly wanted another season or 2. The last epsiode showed where they were going with things.
Sex in the City remake? Are you guys talking about Bojack Horseman?